I see that you had already made the edits I was gonna do...
*Closes SolidWorks
;D
whoo compatible with Prof layout :D
Is this related to WFD's case project?
Is this related to WFD's case project?
Is this related to WFD's case project?
I haven't seen anyone make this suggestion yet, so I'll throw it out there...
I suggest that you make one and send it to me to betatest... wouldn't want anyone else to have to suffer through that, so I'm just going to volunteer myself for the tortuous task. It could even be anodized that wonderous magenta colour, I'd be good with that... :D
Looks great!
Will the case have the PCB stand offs that match up with the poker screw holes, or will the PCB just be held in place by the plate being fixed to the case?
Is there clearance for the dip switches on the underside of the poker PCB? I don't mind that there isn't a hole on the bottom for the dip switches, just that they don't hit the bottom of the case when putting it together.
Looks like it will be awesome for the GH60!
Ah one more case emerged. I knew this would show up sooner or later :)
Design and detail-wise, it's a little more simple than the one I designed, so it should be more budget friendly? Even with simple designs, you can make it more newb friendly for all existing poker/pure owners if you also added standoffs so the PCB can be a direct drop-in without requiring to desolder switches to install on the plate. Although this would mean you'll have to break the steel weight plate into smaller ones to dodge the standoffs, or drill holes at those standoff locations on the steel plate so the higher standoffs can go straight through. Dip switch sticks out the deepest, so you need a rectangle cut for that too. Just a suggestion since it's not my design.
PS - it was bpiphany that designed the original phantom 1x switch holes, and the modifier cutouts were directly from cherry's design on their website. It was litster that got the prototype made from bpiphany's design, and BiNiaRiS that sourced a manufacturer. I just wanted to give credit where credit is due ;) .
Thanks :D . No PCB standoffs, plate mount only.There is currently 1/8" of clearance between the PCB and the bottom of the case. How thick is a dip switch from the PCB and where exactly is it?
Thanks :D . No PCB standoffs, plate mount only.There is currently 1/8" of clearance between the PCB and the bottom of the case. How thick is a dip switch from the PCB and where exactly is it?
Poker: USB and dip switches are 5/32" from the PCB , holtek chip is ~3/32"
Dips are perfectly centered between caps and A, ~5/16" wide, from the center of the higher switch pad down 1/2"
Nice job, hope that color will be the final one =D
Poker: USB and dip switches are 5/32" from the PCB , holtek chip is ~3/32"
Dips are perfectly centered between caps and A, ~5/16" wide, from the center of the higher switch pad down 1/2"
Can you tell me where exactly the dip switch is located in relation of a switch (like is it under the S key or D key...)? Also would you mind me using your new switch cutouts/improved plate design? And last favor, I also want to do a matching 10 pad case but I don't have a plate design or even something to go off of since 2x stabilized keys confuse me as to where there location is to the 1x keys of the number pad.
Can you tell me where exactly the dip switch is located in relation of a switch (like is it under the S key or D key...)? Also would you mind me using your new switch cutouts/improved plate design? And last favor, I also want to do a matching 10 pad case but I don't have a plate design or even something to go off of since 2x stabilized keys confuse me as to where there location is to the 1x keys of the number pad.
Since all these MX keycaps use "standard" sizes, you can design a plate and know relative positions of all switches. That's how I design all of mine without actually having a PCB on hand. Everything is very symmetrical.
But I'll send you my keypad plate. It'll include the switch design, new stabilizer design, and also relative switch positions. You just need to specify the outer edges since you have a different case than mine.
Hmm alaricljs, you might want to check over those numbers. Just from eyeballing it, 5/32" is waaay too low for both the PCB distance and height of the dip switch. It's also not perfectly centered between the "A" and capslock. It looks centered it when you glance at it, but I'm pretty meticulous about these things and it's not "perfectly" centered. I'll check mine and see what I have it at.
Also, I think I mentioned the idea before, but how about a case that can fit both 60 and 10, with a usb hub inside to connect them and have 'one' keyboard cable to the pc? End up with something like the Plum96 but without the function row. I would like that a lot too.
Just mirroring lysol's comment from the 10key thread as a suggestion:Also, I think I mentioned the idea before, but how about a case that can fit both 60 and 10, with a usb hub inside to connect them and have 'one' keyboard cable to the pc? End up with something like the Plum96 but without the function row. I would like that a lot too.
In a perfect world, the 10key would be like the plum96's in that it could switch between the arrows & insert/delete/etc keys and a numpad.
I guess Beast wants his own design of a tray + raised feet vs a natural angle throughout the case like in mine. And it looks like a wants plate-mounted PCB only with no option for standoff. This design should cost less to make also in case someone is strapped for money. Those look like big enough differences.
This looks awesome.
More stuff for me to want haha.
Just in terms of suggestions, although I am personally not a fan of integrated wrist rests, I've noticed a few people have been asking for them on this forum.
*Snip*
Are these feets wich are seen on many different cases milled by the case maker or are they bought from a company that manufactures them?
Are they some sort of speaker spikes?
Just curious since I am working on a acryllic GH60 case and also a Phantom acryllic case but I havent found anything wort using as feets and I dont want to mill the feets myself in order save on the cost.
Cheers.
I was told that the feet are sourced separately from the cases. Given the design details there's a very good chance they are meant for something else such as speakers. If I recall correctly, the thin disk has a threaded hole with screw-head countersink, it's larger than the hole in the cone.
I like the design of this case A LOT.
Simple and good looking :)
Any idea yet of the price range you expect this to be?
Got the plate design from WFD for the 10 pad, and it's already nearly done.
Hopefully quotes go out this week, depends on my schedule
As long as the fancy feet are optional, all is good. I would be happy using cheap screw-on or even stick-on feet from a hardware store.
i think you should make a bar as a foot like the LZ-GH.
so everybody can choose how high they want it.
Is it possible to leave the bottom of the case untouched as an option when the GB started if we are not going to use the feet? We can still put the rubber bumpers under the screw holes.
Dat numpad
Need USB hole. :P
Need USB hole. :P
I have no idea where it is on the number pad
Need USB hole. :P
I have no idea where it is on the number pad
Well, it's not really made yet, but I think the thought was to have it mimic the poker in positioning of USB (and some of the PCB mount points)
Progress lookin' mighty fine my friend :cool:
Excellent work, including the ledges / crotches between modifiers. Of course, being a keyboard nut, I'm looking to do something similar...but different :)
1) Are you thinking of getting any prototypes from Shapeways before going to metal? Is it easy to use the same CAD files for Shapeways and CNC?
2) Could you give some details on the volume and weight of the main section, the separate numpad, and your weighting system? I know that other metals would be more expensive to CNC, but I'd like to calculate how much of an impact they'd have on the weight.
3.16 lb *0.45359 kg/lb * 1000 g/kg / 2.7 g/cm3 = 530.87 cm3
The "strong & flexible plastic" is $1.40/cm3, so $743 :eek:. Sandstone is $0.75, so half that.
I am a little confused / disappointed because I thought I read a post about getting an ErgoDox case printed for $35.
Maybe Shapeways could make a scale model.
But to my materials question, it seems that the densities of brass, bronze, and steel are within about 10% of each other, and about 3x aluminum, so a full keyboard+numpad case would go from ~4 lb to ~12 lb.
3.16 lb *0.45359 kg/lb * 1000 g/kg / 2.7 g/cm3 = 530.87 cm3
The "strong & flexible plastic" is $1.40/cm3, so $743 :eek:. Sandstone is $0.75, so half that.
I am a little confused / disappointed because I thought I read a post about getting an ErgoDox case printed for $35.
Maybe Shapeways could make a scale model.
But to my materials question, it seems that the densities of brass, bronze, and steel are within about 10% of each other, and about 3x aluminum, so a full keyboard+numpad case would go from ~4 lb to ~12 lb.
You can look up material properties to find densities.
I would love to make a 100% stainless case (I'm sure others would be interested as well) but I'm sure the machining time of aluminum and steel are different since steel is so much harder/harder to machine when compared to aluminum.
:D
I would love to make a 100% stainless case (I'm sure others would be interested as well) but I'm sure the machining time of aluminum and steel are different since steel is so much harder/harder to machine when compared to aluminum.
:D
How much does the weighting plate weigh?
I have asked osrix some questions about casting. Perhaps you could make a mold from your CNC aluminum case which could make copies in in other metals.
What about doing a plaster casting for a ceramics mold?
I would love to make a 100% stainless case (I'm sure others would be interested as well) but I'm sure the machining time of aluminum and steel are different since steel is so much harder/harder to machine when compared to aluminum.
:D
How much does the weighting plate weigh?
I have asked osrix some questions about casting. Perhaps you could make a mold from your CNC aluminum case which could make copies in in other metals.
I don't have solidworks on my personal computer, but I thought it was just over 1 pound. Again, IIRC it was 1.06 lbs
Molds are a whole 'nother beast if you're talking about injection casting. If you're just doing sand casting, you're not going to get a very good resolution and might have to end up milling anyways.
I would love to make a 100% stainless case (I'm sure others would be interested as well) but I'm sure the machining time of aluminum and steel are different since steel is so much harder/harder to machine when compared to aluminum.
:D
How much does the weighting plate weigh?
I have asked osrix some questions about casting. Perhaps you could make a mold from your CNC aluminum case which could make copies in in other metals.
I don't have solidworks on my personal computer, but I thought it was just over 1 pound. Again, IIRC it was 1.06 lbs
Molds are a whole 'nother beast if you're talking about injection casting. If you're just doing sand casting, you're not going to get a very good resolution and might have to end up milling anyways.
Thanks, a pound is close enough. I'm still curious about casting, though...I don't require a perfect finish. I'm thinking of making another thread about CAD; maybe that's easier, and certainly more portable, than setting up my own foundry.
I'll ask about a stainless steel one, but please don't get your hopes up about one.
Thanks, that's what I'm going for
I'll be send it out for quote sometime next week and should hear back within a few days
Thanks, that's what I'm going for
I'll be send it out for quote sometime next week and should hear back within a few days
Any updates yet? :)
Thank You :)
Beast and I did a first pass of the quote drawings earlier this week. Hopefully I won't get swamped at work and I can recheck/send them back to him when he's ready. Don't worry, The_Beast is still cranking on this project :D
Ben, are you interested at all in doing a TKL-sized alu case?
Ben, are you interested at all in doing a TKL-sized alu case?
I'll ask about a stainless steel one, but please don't get your hopes up about one.Just by way of general encouragement (not that you need it), after all my noise about other materials, I encountered an aluminum enclosure today (not for a keyboard): it was surprising how solid it felt! I think our perceptions of aluminum are warped (bah-dum-dum) by experiencing it in very thin, fragile applications.
I thought we had talked about using brass?
Brass is more dense, no?
Steel it is!
I think you were right with your first pass. A piece of thick stainless is probably too expensive. I think you're right with steel. Plus you won't even get to see it that often.
Ah, I didn't realize brass was so expensive. My bad.
I wanted stainless for density, conductivity, and corrosion resistance. Regular steel takes care of the first two*: would a plating of stainless over regular steel be practical?
*EDIT: Unless the surface is painted.
Are you worried about spills? Because I would think it would just develop a "patina" over time, being in the middle of the board. And it shouldn't be externally visible, right?
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm learning a lot reading this thread already.
Are you worried about spills? Because I would think it would just develop a "patina" over time, being in the middle of the board. And it shouldn't be externally visible, right?
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm learning a lot reading this thread already.
I'm not sure what the weather is like in Memphis but I know Cincinnati gets really humid in the summer. I don't know exactly what the environment needs to be for the corrosion to happen but I'd really rather just avoid the situation entireless. The_Beast and I had the same discussion concerning the feet on his case.
The feet will more than likely now be aluminum. Again, this is due to the fact that SS is hard to machine
Any updates on this? :)
I lied, but quotes for 2 machine shops, 2 anodizers and the laser place have been sent (or will be sent within 30 minutes)
That green almost looks like british racing green (hard to tell from photos though). A BRG colored case would be pretty classy.
But dat orange... YUM!
Cheers,
Niceeeee
How are the rates?
That green almost looks like british racing green (hard to tell from photos though). A BRG colored case would be pretty classy.
That green almost looks like british racing green (hard to tell from photos though). A BRG colored case would be pretty classy.This is the best colour that exists. Now I really need this.
That green almost looks like british racing green (hard to tell from photos though). A BRG colored case would be pretty classy.This is the best colour that exists. Now I really need this.
It looks a bit darker than BRG, but there are slight variations, (such as lotus racing green, etc.) any dark green case would be excellent in my books. It' matches well with black/white, etc. I would say only graphite matches with more colours.
Time to sell more stuff. When will all this come together for a buy?
What finish are you doing on the aluminum? Not sure if I want to do what I'm imagining, but would it be possible to get one raw and either polished or directly after machining? Also do you know what alloy aluminum the quotes are out for?
AceBro, how hot are those samples? :DDude they're so dope I can get high from just looking at them ^-^
Dat purp!
This is going to be expensive. :))The_Beast is definitely doing his best to make sure that's false!
This is going to be expensive. :))The_Beast is definitely doing his best to make sure that's false!
Dat purp!
Hey Beast, out of curiousity: Does your guy also mill titanium?
This is going to be expensive. :))The_Beast is definitely doing his best to make sure that's false!
Agreed, but is there any kind of rough idea? Something within a $50-$100 range estimate?
Because titanium is much more...'ergonomic'. It conducts heat/cold much less than most metals. That's why it is often used for watches. But it's much more expensive, but I am curious in how much more expensive^^Hey Beast, out of curiousity: Does your guy also mill titanium?
I have no idea, why?
Because titanium is much more...'ergonomic'. It conducts heat/cold much less than most metals. That's why it is often used for watches. But it's much more expensive, but I am curious in how much more expensive^^Hey Beast, out of curiousity: Does your guy also mill titanium?
I have no idea, why?
No problem, I fully understand.
You reckon with a price +$200? :/
The laser guy got back to me with a price of $50 just for rough cutting the top of the case (3/8" aluminum) but that would still need to be sent to the mill shop to clean up the edges to make the square + drill all the holes + tap some holes
That's just the top. IDK how much the base will be, and that's for sure the most expensive part since there are a lot of holes, a lot of things to tap and a lot of material to remove.
The laser guy got back to me with a price of $50 just for rough cutting the top of the case (3/8" aluminum) but that would still need to be sent to the mill shop to clean up the edges to make the square + drill all the holes + tap some holes
That's just the top. IDK how much the base will be, and that's for sure the most expensive part since there are a lot of holes, a lot of things to tap and a lot of material to remove.
Is it 3 pieces all together? Top | Plate | Bottom? Or am I dreaming up the plate part...
Any updates on anything?? :)
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That green is going to look good on my desk... just sayin.
There will be top tops. One for standard layouts and one with 1u blockers for a 1.5u layout. No HHKB top will be available
There will be top tops. One for standard layouts and one with 1u blockers for a 1.5u layout. No HHKB top will be available
:(
There will be top tops. One for standard layouts and one with 1u blockers for a 1.5u layout. No HHKB top will be available
:(
+1
Sorry, I have no interest in a HHKB layout so I didn't design for one. Lets just say that I'm designing the case how I want it, you guys are just along for the ride. Plus I don't have a ton of time to design stuff anymore
Sorry, I have no interest in a HHKB layout so I didn't design for one. Lets just say that I'm designing the case how I want it, you guys are just along for the ride. Plus I don't have a ton of time to design stuff anymore
If it's a typical machine shop, they probably have never done something like this before. I imagine there's 2 laser machines, 5-10 hand mills, and maybe 2-3 CnC mills. I bet they can crank out....5-10 a day? Depends on if they're using CnC or an actual mill.
If it's a typical machine shop, they probably have never done something like this before. I imagine there's 2 laser machines, 5-10 hand mills, and maybe 2-3 CnC mills. I bet they can crank out....5-10 a day? Depends on if they're using CnC or an actual mill.
only 5-10 a day? wouldnt that make them insanely expensive?
Those drill bits w/ the end flutes are so cool. I could spend all day in a shop....and I have XD
Maker bot!
Yeah man. Then you could have an SLA printer AND a mill. Then we take over the world? :P
And yeah, all the goodies are expensive :(
Oooo. You gonna run a GB on that badboy?
Hahaha, I love how serious you are about this. Let me know what goodies you end up with
I built a CNC mill because I got tired of waiting for the ergodox. There's a pretty affordable kit for the shapeoko; only about $300, more with upgrades, electronics, etc. I've been milling cases out of oak (your favorite) until I can get a pid controller, at which point I'll try aluminum :D
I've had good luck so far w/ it to prototype my minimal split ergo designs...You should look into it. The openrail and makerslide extrusion profiles can make some pretty easy & cheap xy tables.
i made a thread already, probably picked a bad title... anyway, latest pics are here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40970.msg839111#msg839111;
the right hand is an old iteration, so it's a bit ugly. I just cut a new one out yesterday to replace it and haven't taken pics. Also ordered some better caps, those dark grey caps look bad :( And of course, now i'm figuring out how to layout a PCB thanks to bpiphany's awesome guides and then i'll have to figure out how to cut that...
Beast, i was researching what other woods/materials people have tried, so naturally i found your opinions on the matter most educational :) I forget why you didn't like oak, though? At the moment, my spindle is pushing through this stuff like butter at 25in/min, so i'm thinking of trying some nice hardwood. The advantage of a minimal layout is i can cut them out of cheap 1x4 boards before trying on the nice material.
As for build volume, you probably don't need more than 6x12 workable area if you're going to do a 60% TKL; i plan on expanding the shapeoko to do full size boards eventually...
Any tips or feedback you guys have would be useful! :)
considering switching from hhkb layout to 1.5x ansi winkeyless...
are there going to be different colors available?
and i may have asked this before, but i am confused..but price range?
thanks beast
considering switching from hhkb layout to 1.5x ansi winkeyless...
are there going to be different colors available?
and i may have asked this before, but i am confused..but price range?
thanks beast
Those are all the samples I got from the anodizing place I looked at.
No prices since I still haven't got quotes back? If I were to guess, $150-$300, but again, I'm not machinist
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Was talking to Beast at the Chicago/Great Lakes meetup this weekend, and he said that he's still waiting on quotes from the shops. Sorry I can't offer any better news but just remember that these shops aren't exactly idle; waiting for our order to come in so they can work. Like GMK and SP, they have a list of order/work they have and they'll get to these cases when they can.
Was talking to Beast at the Chicago/Great Lakes meetup this weekend, and he said that he's still waiting on quotes from the shops. Sorry I can't offer any better news but just remember that these shops aren't exactly idle; waiting for our order to come in so they can work. Like GMK and SP, they have a list of order/work they have and they'll get to these cases when they can.
are you still getting one? of the beast's or are you going ace?
Was talking to Beast at the Chicago/Great Lakes meetup this weekend, and he said that he's still waiting on quotes from the shops. Sorry I can't offer any better news but just remember that these shops aren't exactly idle; waiting for our order to come in so they can work. Like GMK and SP, they have a list of order/work they have and they'll get to these cases when they can.
are you still getting one? of the beast's or are you going ace?
I am living up to the wallethack name and getting both. :D
Was talking to Beast at the Chicago/Great Lakes meetup this weekend, and he said that he's still waiting on quotes from the shops. Sorry I can't offer any better news but just remember that these shops aren't exactly idle; waiting for our order to come in so they can work. Like GMK and SP, they have a list of order/work they have and they'll get to these cases when they can.
are you still getting one? of the beast's or are you going ace?
I am living up to the wallethack name and getting both. :D
ah i see :)
my first case for the gh60 will depend on colors and price for WFD vs The_beast.
and then the second one will probably be an ace if it is low profile, but if these 2 are cheaper...who knows
Was talking to Beast at the Chicago/Great Lakes meetup this weekend, and he said that he's still waiting on quotes from the shops. Sorry I can't offer any better news but just remember that these shops aren't exactly idle; waiting for our order to come in so they can work. Like GMK and SP, they have a list of order/work they have and they'll get to these cases when they can.
are you still getting one? of the beast's or are you going ace?
I am living up to the wallethack name and getting both. :D
ah i see :)
my first case for the gh60 will depend on colors and price for WFD vs The_beast.
and then the second one will probably be an ace if it is low profile, but if these 2 are cheaper...who knows
I believe the Ace low-profile case will be in brass and the normal case will be milled aluminum. But this isn't the thread to talk about this. PM me or head over to that thread :)
I would just wait on everything and not assume anything.^
Just reminded both shops about my quote, hopefully they have it done and just forgot to send it to me :P
Just reminded both shops about my quote, hopefully they have it done and just forgot to send it to me :P
They better have it done. Or I'm coming to Wisconsin and there's gonna be some 'splainin to do.
Just reminded both shops about my quote, hopefully they have it done and just forgot to send it to me :P
They better have it done. Or I'm coming to Wisconsin and there's gonna be some 'splainin to do.
Get to driving!
"Craig is always busy quoting so I suppose that could be a valid reason at times. But in this case Craig is worried about machine capacity. So he chose not to quote, thinking we’d have to say no to the job anyway, based on machine availability/scheduling."
A mill and a lathe should be enough for this case. So this leaves me to one other machine shop before expanding the radius of machine shops I talk too. :(
Just reminded both shops about my quote, hopefully they have it done and just forgot to send it to me :P
They better have it done. Or I'm coming to Wisconsin and there's gonna be some 'splainin to do.
Get to driving!
"Craig is always busy quoting so I suppose that could be a valid reason at times. But in this case Craig is worried about machine capacity. So he chose not to quote, thinking we’d have to say no to the job anyway, based on machine availability/scheduling."
A mill and a lathe should be enough for this case. So this leaves me to one other machine shop before expanding the radius of machine shops I talk too. :(
BRB Wisconsin. I'll bring a baseball bat too. HOW DARE THEY ENRAGE ME :eek:
Damn, I don't have one :(
Damn, I don't have one :(
That's fine, I have enough for both of us!
I always wanted to shoot trap...just saying
I like where this is going. Intimdation, guns, keyboards, and clay throwers :D
You should drop the weight plate, that would allow to make the case thinner and more elegant.
And especially cheaper (less height, less cost, right?).
For all the bling (and weights) you could choose WFD's design and for simple, elegant and affordable this right here.
Got the quote in for a single case....
....it's quite a chunk of change.......
Ruh roh.
I always wanted to shoot trap...just sayingI got a shotgun. Tis my baby that I use for trap.
That price....
Expected though for 1 piece. And that doesn't even include anodizing yet?
That price....
Expected though for 1 piece. And that doesn't even include anodizing yet?
Anodizing is around $30 per rack + shipping there/back + other small fees. I think I should be able to fit 3+ cases per rack
That price....
Expected though for 1 piece. And that doesn't even include anodizing yet?
Anodizing is around $30 per rack + shipping there/back + other small fees. I think I should be able to fit 3+ cases per rack
Damnnnnnnnnn...
Again, *think*, I'm not 100% sure they knew exactly what they were quoting.....
Again, *think*, I'm not 100% sure they knew exactly what they were quoting.....
Are you sure you that's not prototype cost?
Can you not get tiered pricing until one prototype is finished?
My plan for this case and the GH60? Purple Beast Case, Raindrop Set, White Switches, eventual Lime Green mimic cable. Wish there was a purple set....maybe I'll put the GMK set on this instead...
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My plan for this case and the GH60? Purple Beast Case, Raindrop Set, White Switches, eventual Lime Green mimic cable. Wish there was a purple set....maybe I'll put the GMK set on this instead...
Hmm.jpg
Can you not get tiered pricing until one prototype is finished?
The_Beast and GH60, bringing sexy back :pDon't know how to act...
Would this design fit with the GH60 plate? I ordered plate mounted and assembled so I'd rather not have to de-solder all the switches if I can avoid it.
I heard you can customize it if you have a plasma cutter though.
beast any updates on the prototype?
still looking forward to this ;D
beast any updates on the prototype?
still looking forward to this ;D
I got news back about volume pricing. However, I'm not 100% sure I'm still going to run with this case since there seems to be a LOT of other 60% cases on the market right now. I think there was 9 or 10 last time I counted
beast any updates on the prototype?
still looking forward to this ;D
I got news back about volume pricing. However, I'm not 100% sure I'm still going to run with this case since there seems to be a LOT of other 60% cases on the market right now. I think there was 9 or 10 last time I counted
:/ ok
hope this comes through though
IMO it looks like the best case out there so far xD
Those prices aren't that bad I would think? Anyone else have thoughts?
so is this thread now dead?
I was really interested in this and WFD's designs.