[GB (almost) CANCELLED] BSP DYE SUB

[Photekq]

Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .

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This is making me wish I had listened to you when I had the money...

[codyeatworld]

Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .

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This is making me wish I had listened to you when I had the money...

Same here!

Also just realized its PBT not ABS :O

[sleepy916]

Those look very nice!

[boost]

Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .

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Looks really nice...

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[demik]

why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?

id still like an answer..

[SmallFry]

I would presume they are making profit, but deleting posts sucks. I can attest to that.

[kboardvintage]

why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?

id still like an answer..

now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?

Well BSP is definetly making it...

I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".

I believe I already answered you...

[kboardvintage]

Just got a pic of the blue set! Wow it looks amazing...

[kaiserreich]

Please show Red and Green.
My wallet says I can get another set

[kboardvintage]

those are still in production

[naokira]

I think greens would be epic! Too bad, no spare money for the leftovers

[demik]

why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?

id still like an answer..

now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?

Well BSP is definetly making it...

I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".

I believe I already answered you...

that doesnt answer my question..

i know BSP is making money. the question is, are you?

[pmh1410]

YGPM

[tinlong117]

why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?

id still like an answer..

now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?

Well BSP is definetly making it...

I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".

I believe I already answered you...

that doesnt answer my question..

i know BSP is making money. the question is, are you?

I believe he did make profit.

[zenuty]

it is my Cherry Olivetti DyeSub

KeyColor is more darkness
but BSP is More Brightness and White Color...

[pmh1410]

Paied, pls re-confirm ?

[Dianoda]

Any updates on production for these sets?  I'd love to see how the green turned out...

[sleepy916]

This thread needs an update.

[Acetrak]

Agreed.

[kaiserreich]

Sheraton just mentioned that the part number shown here is jumping on his own MOQ.
He has requested some orders to be cancelled.

I hope it isn't the case.

[sleepy916]

Yeah that was what I was worried about...

[Acetrak]

Yeah same here, need some clarification here

[jil_jil32]

An update is needed!

[sleepy916]

It's almost been a week since he was on Geekhack.

[kaiserreich]

Let's give him time.

[heissler]

Willing to take a leftover blank set if still available! 

[Photoelectric]

Sad about the lack of transparency from Kboardvintage about him encroaching on Sherryton's GB order.  Even the bagged set pictured here is labeled with Sherry's name, and this guy's not made any note about the conflict or talked about actual available numbers.  Seems rather shady.

[kaiserreich]

While i did say we should wait, my payment was made on the 5th of May.
+45 days means I have another 1 or 2 days for the Paypal dispute window to close.

He has yet to respond here. Let me try his email/paypal email/eBay ID/phone num/deskthority ID....whatever method?


Will I be deemed a lesser being if i resort to paypal asking refunds for a Group Buy?
After what went on with 7bit's switch GB...people who do this might go to keyboard Hell.

[Photekq]

While i did say we should wait, my payment was made on the 5th of May.
+45 days means I have another 1 or 2 days for the Paypal dispute window to close.

He has yet to respond here. Let me try his email/paypal email/eBay ID/phone num/deskthority ID....whatever method?


Will I be deemed a lesser being if i resort to paypal asking refunds for a Group Buy?
After what went on with 7bit's switch GB...people who do this might go to keyboard Hell.

There has been no response from the seller in a while and Sherry has said there's a large possibility this may be cancelled.

I'm by no means saying kboardvintage is a scammer as he has sold many items smoothly here but I think it's acceptable to dispute this.

You should also contact Sherry to see if he has any information before you dispute.

[kaiserreich]

While i did say we should wait, my payment was made on the 5th of May.
+45 days means I have another 1 or 2 days for the Paypal dispute window to close.

He has yet to respond here. Let me try his email/paypal email/eBay ID/phone num/deskthority ID....whatever method?


Will I be deemed a lesser being if i resort to paypal asking refunds for a Group Buy?
After what went on with 7bit's switch GB...people who do this might go to keyboard Hell.

There has been no response from the seller in a while and Sherry has said there's a large possibility this may be cancelled.

I'm by no means saying kboardvintage is a scammer as he has sold many items smoothly here but I think it's acceptable to dispute this.

You should also contact Sherry to see if he has any information before you dispute.

I do not like to call anyone a scammer either, not without solid proof anyway.
Being a no show is not a solid proof at this stage. But it is a cause for concern, as some of the people who joined the GB are as well.

I have contacted sherryton and will see what he says.

[pmh1410]

here is his post from Deskthority, i really want to clear this problem because i was paied 2 sets for him:

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/flash-gb-bsp-cherry-dye-sub-tkl-blank-2-tone-102cap-rgb-t5718.html

and here is his answer with limmy on KBD forum:

" id: Limmy

I don't like a sale without an actual picture of the item. Too risky. It is risky because it is unlikely that the person would take additional measures to correct any issues. You might end up funding prototypes.
실물이 없는 상태에서 품질에 대한 보증도 없이 판매를 하겠다는 건데 판매자가 불량품이나 기대에 못미치는 결과에 대해서 책임을 지지 않을 공산이 크기 때문에 상당히 위험한 구매같네요. 프로토 타입을 생산하는데 자금을 대주는 꼴이 될 수도 있을 것 같습니다.
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2013.05.03 16:08:14 (*.138.227.11)


MinhaWinner

Dear Limmy,
This is a serious sale and a great opportunity to get unique stuff. Pictures are not available because the items are not in production.

I will take all the additional measures required to correct any issue due to the business agreements that I have with the supplier, and of course I will get all the required support from BSP in case of a faulty item.

Don't jeopardize my sale please.

Keyboardvintage ''

[WhiteFireDragon]

It's very uncharacteristic of any GB leader to disappear like this, right after collecting payment. Reminds me of Profosist and Changdrew. According to Sherryton, he will pull the plug on this GB, so most likely this GB won't happen. Based on these two points, I would be concerned.

My personal opinion, is to file a paypal dispute. After you file the dispute, don't escalate it, but just let it sit. That way you have a few more weeks of buffer time, and can later decide to cancel the dispute or escalate it if Keyboardvintage decides to do some shady stuff. BUT, if you let the 45 days pass, nothing you can do. And even if this GB gets canceled and Keyboardvintage decides to refund, that is not possible. He'll have to "pay" back through a separate transaction, which will involve more paypal fees.

[Dianoda]

It's very uncharacteristic of any GB leader to disappear like this, right after collecting payment. Reminds me of Profosist and Changdrew. According to Sherryton, he will pull the plug on this GB, so most likely this GB won't happen. Based on these two points, I would be concerned.

My personal opinion, is to file a paypal dispute. After you file the dispute, don't escalate it, but just let it sit. That way you have a few more weeks of buffer time, and can later decide to cancel the dispute or escalate it if Keyboardvintage decides to do some shady stuff. BUT, if you let the 45 days pass, nothing you can do. And even if this GB gets canceled and Keyboardvintage decides to refund, that is not possible. He'll have to "pay" back through a separate transaction, which will involve more paypal fees.

That sounds like a pretty reasonable course of action to me.  Anyone else want to comment?  I mean, I have 2 days before I hit the dispute limit, and would prefer not to file one, but if we don't hear anything from kboardvintage in the next few days, well...  given the choice, I think I'd prefer not to wave my chance of recovering the $150+ I paid for my order.

[kboardvintage]

I am back after a week off and SURPRISE!!!!

Got an email from BSP stating the following:

"We will not be able to offer you these keysets, as other customer has paid us for setup charges and has placed their orders in accordance with our MOQ terms. These
customers have placed orders worth a lot of money, and we will support any customer's investments by making sure that we only sell these sets in accordance
with our standard terms. We will therefore only be able to make the exact same keysets to you, based on the MOQ 100 pcs terms."

It took them 1 month to tell me this?! I just ****ing requested for samples by May and I got offered the possibility of purchasing sets with a 85 keycaps and 4 different colour scheme...
Well to those who are concern about their money, I will start the refund once I get the money back from BSP, considering that they haven't refund me yet.

And about those who order BLANK sets, I haven't agreed yet on that, but I believe that I will be able to supply those, although I still have to confirm it tomorrow with BSP.

So guys, unless Sherry let us get this sets (19 dyesub in total), I can say that I won't fight against BSP and their decision, considering the fact that Sherry has been threatening them with cancelling the order (well 400 sets is kinda different than 19 ).

[jil_jil32]

I recommend you should try to work it out with Sherryton in private and find a good way to resolve this unexpected problem. The sets are already made anyway.

[kboardvintage]

I recommend you should try to work it out with Sherryton in private and find a good way to resolve this unexpected problem. The sets are already made anyway.

That is what I am trying...and your point is really clear. Sets are made already, including my "surplus". It is up to Sherry to keep this going or not...

[Photoelectric]

Yes, but since this is originally his order, I'm surprised you didn't get in touch with him to start with.  Not much point to do 2 separate group buys for the same thing.  Combining efforts would have been more like the thing to do or transferring these orders to  Sherry's orders.  But this is definitely something you and Originative would need to discuss.  He's not posting here, and you're not posting in his thread, and it's just all weird

[kboardvintage]

Yes, but since this is originally his order, I'm surprised you didn't get in touch with him to start with.  Not much point to do 2 separate group buys for the same thing.  Combining efforts would have been more like the thing to do or transferring these orders to  Sherry's orders.  But this is definitely something you and Originative would need to discuss.  He's not posting here, and you're not posting in his thread, and it's just all weird

I just posted on his thread mate. Plus you need to understand that I order based on what BSP offered me. I initially requested SAMPLES (so couple of keycaps) for professional purpose and I ended up with an offer of 85 keycaps sets and 4 DYESUB font colour... Well I guess this was a good chance to grab some DYESUB sets in unique colours! How should I know that it was Sherry's order??
Btw, I sent him a message and he didn't seem to be really up for negotiations. $$ rules his business, which seems totally understandable to me.

[Photoelectric]

I just posted on his thread mate. Plus you need to understand that I order based on what BSP offered me. I initially requested SAMPLES (so couple of keycaps) for professional purpose and I ended up with an offer of 85 keycaps sets and 4 DYESUB font colour... Well I guess this was a good chance to grab some DYESUB sets in unique colours! How should I know that it was Sherry's order??
Btw, I sent him a message and he didn't seem to be really up for negotiations. $$ rules his business, which seems totally understandable to me.

My bad.  But it's great to see discussion here, since a lot of people  have been curious, and transparency is a good thing.

ETA: it appears it's BSP's fault, as Sherry said, but if the group buys were made in good faith (hopefully), I hope you guys can still work out how to combine the orders or switch these orders to Sherry's (if you're not making anything out of this yourself).

[Elrick]

Btw, I sent him a message and he didn't seem to be really up for negotiations. $$ rules his business, which seems totally understandable to me.

Alright then so what happens with the money already paid by us?

If you do indeed want to end this amicably then please transfer the money over to Sherryton as soon as possible so that we the "customers" can finally own a BSP dye-sub set.

I understand that everything was a complete mistake and an innocent misunderstanding by you, but please don't make us suffer for it.

[calavera]

Once he gets a refund from BSP he said he would refund you guys. I think asking to transfer your orders to sherryton is asking too much.

[Photoelectric]

Alright then so what happens with the money already paid by us?

If you do indeed want to end this amicably then please transfer the money over to Sherryton as soon as possible so that we the "customers" can finally own a BSP dye-sub set.

I understand that everything was a complete mistake and an innocent misunderstanding by you, but please don't make us suffer for it.

Well to those who are concern about their money, I will start the refund once I get the money back from BSP, considering that they haven't refund me yet.

And about those who order BLANK sets, I haven't agreed yet on that, but I believe that I will be able to supply those, although I still have to confirm it tomorrow with BSP.

So guys, unless Sherry let us get this sets (19 dyesub in total), I can say that I won't fight against BSP and their decision, considering the fact that Sherry has been threatening them with cancelling the order (well 400 sets is kinda different than 19 ).

[kaiserreich]

I ordered the Blank sets.
Please let me know the soonest as the 45day limit is nea
If you cannot reach a consensus with BSP/Sheraton, please perform a full refund.

Sorry about you taking your time to organize this GB and it end up this way.

[guilleguillaume]

If you were ordering from BSP I don't understand why is Sherryton involved in anything.

Is he going to take down every GB we want to do? He is starting to be a pain in the ass.

[Photekq]

If you were ordering from BSP I don't understand why is Sherryton involved in anything.

Is he going to take down every GB we want to do? He is starting to be a pain in the ass.

Sherry ordered these EXACT keysets. He paid for the very high MOQ and kboardvintage was allowed to join in on this without an MOQ. Understandably Sherry wasn't happy about this. Would you be happy if you had just paid for a high MOQ keyset and someone else was allowed to buy the same sets without an MOQ?

[Elrick]

Once he gets a refund from BSP he said he would refund you guys. I think asking to transfer your orders to sherryton is asking too much.

Yep, because this is BSP a registered business in Germany I suspect they will make payment refunds in about 3 to 6 months time.  All businesses hold onto capital for the legal amount of time which is way longer than necessary.

Here in Australia, they can hold onto refunds till 6 months (minimum) before making payments simply because the money helps to shore up their financial situation if they are currently in deficit between certain expenditures, with any given month.  I had to wait 8 months to get a payment sent back to me due to a company that dropped supplying the product I had ordered.

Hence I suspect I'll need again to fork out more money for Sherryton's BSP key caps because I doubt he'll wait 6 months for any payments to be made.

This has certainly opened my eyes up to NO more participating in Flash Group Buys any more.  Just isn't safe and the organizer can just walk away without giving any certainty simply because it's not their problem anymore.

[tsangan]

I recommend you should try to work it out with Sherryton in private and find a good way to resolve this unexpected problem. The sets are already made anyway.

That is what I am trying...and your point is really clear. Sets are made already, including my "surplus". It is up to Sherry to keep this going or not...

So as I have posted in Sherry's subforum. Don't make it sound like Sherry is the bad guy here, he is offering the _same price_ as you for the sets (yes I understand sherry has no blanks) but yet he has to spend thousands of dollars to place this order. So lets take a minute and soak that in you did not invest in any of this and selling it at the _same price_ as what sherry is offering to the public

That makes a whole lot of sense

[Elrick]

Sorry I had to do a Paypal Call-back on this.  Simply because I paid on the 6th of May and it's still within the time frame for Paypal to conduct a refund.

Hence anyone else who has paid up front please go to paypal and do it because as soon as their time period lapses you have no way of ever getting your money back.  This is what happens when a "Cancelled" Group Buy is announced, everyone should do their legal 'thing' in getting back their money.

Thank god for having Paypal here.

[Dianoda]

Sorry I had to do a Paypal Call-back on this.  Simply because I paid on the 6th of May and it's still within the time frame for Paypal to conduct a refund.

Hence anyone else who has paid up front please go to paypal and do it because as soon as their time period lapses you have no way of ever getting your money back.  This is what happens when a "Cancelled" Group Buy is announced, everyone should do their legal 'thing' in getting back their money.

Thank god for having Paypal here.

Doing that screws over kboardvintage - BSP hasn't sent a refund to him yet.

[Elrick]

Doing that screws over kboardvintage - BSP hasn't sent a refund to him yet.

If you announce that a Group Buy has been cancelled then my only concern is to get back my money.  If indeed BSP has all the money then he can wait for the FULL refund into his own back account.  So no worries there about being out of pocket.

So nothing has been lost in regards to us the customers who have paid in the first place.  Remember all bets are off when a Group Buy collapses, because everyone has the right to get their own money back by any LEGAL means possible.

Sorry but that is how it works when you conduct a Group Buy that collapses, hence everyone has the right to their own money.  Customers should never have to suffer the long ordeal of begging for their own money from a failed Group Buy.

It's not my cause to bare the full collapse of this Group Buy because of other influences, which has nothing to do with me whatsoever.  I am just re-acting to a very bad situation within a very tight time period set down by Paypal and kboardvintage.