[IC] Krytox GPL 103 (Ordered)

[Jocelyn]

This is my first IC, so please bear with me

Is there any interest in this oil? If so, I can get a .5kg bottle (17.6 oz.) for ~$225 after shipping. Total cost should not be more than $20 per ounce, which is much better than the $45 miller-stephenson charge for it.
Product Link - http://www.netmercury.com/Products/General-Purpose-GPL_2/KRYTOX-GPL-103-OIL-5-KG

Edit: Well it looks as though Netmercury.com has to special order this, but there are a few places that sell it for $225-$250 Shipped. I'll know more when I call them on Monday, but it shouldn't cost more than $13-$15 per ounce, regardless of who I get it from. Anyway, I will try my hardest to get this for us and will update this when I know more.

I'm open to ideas for how to ship, but I'm thinking we'll need boxes instead of packets. Priority small flat rate is ~$5.15, but I'm open to the idea of using smaller boxes if someone has an idea where to get them cheap or free.

New Shipping Info

Seems I'll take WFD's advice "They can be shipped in small dropper bottle vials by USPS first class, should only cost ~$2 within the US or ~$7 international" and I'll also offer smaller quantities.

Modified form - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Y68EdSE0Wyehx2Rgey9Gi471ODCeWdZiEFJ8x_oV6AU/viewform
 
*For those of you who already signed up, no need to sign up again. I'll message you all sometime next week (including those who are international).  I'll allow you to purchase anywhere between .5 oz and the amount you chose on the form.

I'll be purchasing this tomorrow morning and will give priority to people who signed up first. If for some reason this is going against IC/GB standards, please let me know.


Group Buy Thread - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41112.0

[reaper]

I've been looking for these for awhile now.  Guess I'm in! 

[danielucf]

Form filled, I'd like an ounce to try it out as comparison to other lubes.

[Loligagger]

Interested, depending if shipping is possible to milk bag land.

[Sai]

YES. I AM IN. WHOO HOO

EDIT : only US? 

[alaricljs]

I've been looking for these for awhile now.  Guess I'm in! 

Last group buy for how long?


So... is 1 oz a little much for the average Joe?

[Jocelyn]

Interested, depending if shipping is possible to milk bag land.

YES. I AM IN. WHOO HOO

EDIT : only US?

Yeah I should probably Bold that and make it red. I have no problems shipping internationally, but I know there are heavy restrictions when it comes to shipping liquids.

Last group buy for how long?


So... is 1 oz a little much for the average Joe?

I'll run this again immediately after the first one. You can watch WFD unbox a 1oz bottle here -

[alaricljs]

You'd also have to check the MSDS to see what volatiles are in it.

[Sai]

Yeah I should probably Bold that and make it red. I have no problems shipping internationally, but I know there are heavy restrictions when it comes to shipping liquids.

yea. its risky for the liquid too.

[alaricljs]

BTW - bottles can be had from midwestbottles.com super cheap in a huge variety of sizes.  Make sure whatever you get comes with a cap or you add in the right cap.

For instance, ridiculous design, but $.20 ea:   http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=953
Not so silly design, same price:  http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=1482

[WhiteFireDragon]

1oz is way too much for a typical person. I've lubbed many keyboards and my 1oz bottle has not run out yet. Of course it's mixed with GPL-205 as well, but even if you use 103 exclusively, half of it should last more than 5 keyboards. If it's any less, then you're using way too much and it could end up running everywhere inside the switch.

I would think a quarter-ounce is more reasonable for a person, or half-oz if you're worried. My guess would be after lubing 1 or two keyboards, you'll hate lubing.

They can be shipped in small dropper bottle vials by USPS first class, should only cost ~$2 within the US or ~$7 international.

Lastly, I believe The_Ed was planning to run a GB for krytox GPL 100 through 106 oils.

[Jocelyn]

yea. its risky for the liquid too.

I promise to look into international options for the second .5kg bottle.
Change that to the initial order. WFD says it's not so bad, so I will be in contact.

BTW - bottles can be had from midwestbottles.com super cheap in a huge variety of sizes.  Make sure whatever you get comes with a cap or you add in the right cap.

For instance, ridiculous design, but $.20 ea:   http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=953
Not so silly design, same price:  http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=1482

Thanks for this! I knew people wanted this, but I wasn't expecting this much attention. I really don't mind putting ~$225 on the line, so maybe I should just order it and forget the group buy.
Let me know what you all think and I promise to sell to you who have already signed up on the form.

1oz is way too much for a typical person. I've lubbed many keyboards and my 1oz bottle has not run out yet. Of course it's mixed with GPL-205 as well, but even if you use 103 exclusively, half of it should last more than 5 keyboards. If it's any less, then you're using way too much and it could end up running everywhere inside the switch.

I would think a quarter-ounce is more reasonable for a person, or half-oz if you're worried. My guess would be after lubing 1 or two keyboards, you'll hate lubing.

They can be shipped in small dropper bottle vials by USPS first class, should only cost ~$2 within the US or ~$7 international.

Lastly, I believe The_Ed was planning to run a GB for krytox GPL 100 through 106 oils.

Well thanks for this bit of info! I'm pretty sure The_Ed talked about only doing 100 and 106, but passed it off to someone else in the UK.

The_Ed's post - http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/krytox-gpl-200-t4737-30.html#p91867

[Sai]

Thank you.  .

[Jocelyn]

Thank you.  .

NP!
I just hope it doesn't involve me being at the post office for 8 hours. I remember sending a motherboard to someone in Canada and it was so time consuming. Hopefully I can pre-fill out forms and essentially drop everything off at the counter lol.

PS - I'm not sure it's okay to buy it and sell it on a first come first serve basis or if this is something I should take to a GB. I'd rather go with the first option, but any feedback would be appreciated

Edit: Again, I'll be in contact with you few who already filled out the form early next week (Mon/Tue). No big deal if you'd like to downsize your quantities.

[The_Ed]

I ran a quick Krytox 200 GB a little while ago (15x 2 ounce tubes - $603.70). I will for sure offer 200-207 in my next lube GB. The oils 100-107 are up in the air so far. If I offer the oils it will be cheaper to get the large containers and measure out into little bottles. But I will also have to get a scale to accurately measure (which would have to be padded into the price). If there is a LOT of interest in the oils I could be persuaded to do the oils as well as the greases.

As a not so quick note - I did the first GB not for profit, and paid beforehand out of my own pocket. It was a bit hard to fill the vacancies when there were a few dropouts, thus I will have the next one be prepay only. I would also want a few dollars for my time and such if I have to do so much work again, which I'm sure you all can understand. 0.5KG from my source is <$200 + shipping as far as I remember, but that might just apply for the greases. I will ask for a current quote on the oils as well if you want.

[sordna]

You don't have a scale? Gosh a scale is sooo useful, you *need* one, and electronic kitchen scales are cheap and amazingly accurate. I have an "Eat Smart Precision Pro", it does up to 5kg and is very accurate with small weights too, I've had it for a couple of years, and happened to test it with 5-100g weights just last week and it was spot on.

[Jocelyn]

Pretty sure you weren't referring to me sordna, but I do have one of those kitchen ones. I don't know what I'd do without it TBH

[The_Ed]

Jocelyn says he doesn't want to wait and have me order 103 in my next lube GB. He is going to go ahead with his order which is fine by me.

I wonder how 107 would fare in clicky switches as 200 kills the click... 107 shouldn't run nearly as much as any of the thinner oils, hmmm... Yeah I might get a kitchen/ammo/postage scale and some little bottles and offer the oils as well... My next lube GB won't be lightning fast like the first one will it...

[Halverson]

Jocelyn says he doesn't want to wait and have me order 103 in my next lube GB. He is going to go ahead with his order which is fine by me.

I wonder how 107 would fare in clicky switches as 200 kills the click... 107 shouldn't run nearly as much as any of the thinner oils, hmmm... Yeah I might get a kitchen/ammo/postage scale and some little bottles and offer the oils as well... My next lube GB won't be lightning fast like the first one will it...

She*

[Jocelyn]

What do you all want for bottles? The last one is probably a bad idea, but I'm not sure what you all one. I'm only going to pick one.

Ridiculous design - http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=953
Normal design - http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=1482
Tube Bottle w/ Green Snap Top Dispensing Cap - http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=1510

Like I said, I'll buy the oil in the morning. I'd do it now, but I feel like I'm in breaking bad and ordering chemicals at this time of night feels shady

[sordna]

Pretty sure you weren't referring to me sordna, but I do have one of those kitchen ones. I don't know what I'd do without it TBH

No, my reply was right below The_Ed who said this, didn't you read it?  I was surprised since a scale is a rather essential item.

But I will also have to get a scale to accurately measure (which would have to be padded into the price).

[Sai]

the last one is not a good choice.
i like the 2nd one better.

[Jocelyn]

Pretty sure you weren't referring to me sordna, but I do have one of those kitchen ones. I don't know what I'd do without it TBH

No, my reply was right below The_Ed who said this, didn't you read it?

But I will also have to get a scale to accurately measure (which would have to be padded into the price).

Yes, I realize the context connected it to The_Ed. I disclaimed with the intention of making my reply about a scale more coherent and I didn't want to make an assumption. Sorry

the last one is not a good choice.
i like the 2nd one better.

Haha. I didn't think so, but wanted to make sure. The second bottle it is then

Edit: Anymore than 15 bottles and the shipping is ~$12, but I think I can do two orders for slightly less.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Jocelyn if you're running this, how accurate and what decimal place can your scale weigh up to? At a minimum, you'd have to have something that can weigh to a hundredth of an ounce since you're dealing with ounce fractions. Ideally, you'd want something that is accurate to 1 thousandth of an ounce, but those are expensive. This is important because these lube are very expensive for the amount you get, so every drop counts and must be measurable.

For reference, a quarter ounce is only about 7 gram. If your scale is accurate to the hundredth, that translates to +/- about 1 gram. So if you're shipping out quarter oz, one bottle could have 6g, one could have 8g. Someone could potentially have 33% more than the next guy. But of course if you're doing them in half oz or full 1oz, the difference is less noticeable, but you're still paying by the drop.

[sordna]

Jocelyn if you're running this, how accurate and what decimal place can your scale weigh up to? At a minimum, you'd have to have something that can weigh to a hundredth of an ounce since you're dealing with ounce fractions. Ideally, you'd want something that is accurate to 1 thousandth of an ounce, but those are expensive.

Come on, a kitchen scale with 1gram accuracy (~ 30th of an ounce) is fine. At 50c for a gram of lubricant, at most someone will benefit by $1 over another person. No big deal.

[Jocelyn]

Jocelyn if you're running this, how accurate and what decimal place can your scale weigh up to? At a minimum, you'd have to have something that can weigh to a hundredth of an ounce since you're dealing with ounce fractions. Ideally, you'd want something that is accurate to 1 thousandth of an ounce, but those are expensive. This is important because these lube are very expensive for the amount you get, so every drop counts and must be measurable.

For reference, a quarter ounce is only about 7 gram. If your scale is accurate to the hundredth, that translates to +/- about 1 gram. So if you're shipping out quarter oz, one bottle could have 6g, one could have 8g. Someone could potentially have 33% more than the next guy. But of course if you're doing them in half oz or full 1oz, the difference is less noticeable, but you're still paying by the drop.

It goes down to a half gram, but it's only going to cost people around $15/ounce (~28.3g) which is very cheap imo. I also plan to bottle all of it up using a syringe and measure it with the scale, so I don't think anyone will get shorted.
If you think I'm still being short sided with this, do let me know

[WhiteFireDragon]

I keep forgetting it's $15/oz, not the $45/oz that I paid :/

I also don't have a kitchen scale so I don't know how accurate those are. I have a microscale that's more accurate than a thousandth of an ounce (tenth of a gram), but it can't even weigh something over a pound.

[sordna]

I have one of these calibration kits that I got to measure switch forces on various keyboards, and it's also handy to verify scales. Amazon sells it for $13 shipped. The weights have a flat surface on top, so you can stack various weights together to see what exact force your switch needs.

http://www.amazon.com/Calibration-Kit-Tweezers-Weights-10mg/dp/B0010TEPLA/

[Batmann]

I filled in the form but I'm confused,
will you ship overseas?
also, thread crapping aside, there is GPL105 available on ebay, is there a big difference with 103?

[mashby]

I'm in. Form filled.

[Jocelyn]

I filled in the form but I'm confused,
will you ship overseas?
also, thread crapping aside, there is GPL105 available on ebay, is there a big difference with 103?

I'm going to try my best to include you international people. I got the impression from WFD that it will not be too difficult and he said it should be ~$7 to ship.

I have a few sellers who have already gotten back to me, but I'm still waiting to hear from Netmercury.com
I doubt it will come to this, but if I run into any problems trying to buy this, my Dad should have no problem obtaining it and shipping it to me.
I'll know more for sure on Monday and will update the OP if I hear anything sooner.

In case anyone is interested, the IC form currently shows an interest for 14.6 of 17.6 ounces.
If for some reason you sign up after the total amount is reached and miss out, please be patient as I will most likely do at least one more purchase shortly after this one.

[Leewei]

for clears can this be used to lube everything from sliders to springs?

[Jocelyn]

for clears can this be used to lube everything from sliders to springs?

I think most of us will be mixing this with 205 Grease for the stems and I'm don't believe this is good springs. WFD recommends Victorinox oil for them and it only costs ~$5

Victorinox oik for $5.95 shipped - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-FOOD-GRADE-KNIFE-OIL-5-ML-w-Applicator-/140841455355

WFD Videos I'm referencing
Lubing MX Switches -

Expensive lube mixtures -

[Leewei]

aight. good to know. thanks for info jocelyn =)

[danielucf]

This seems like a good place to ask, but how do you think GPL 103 lube compares to the teflon dry lubes? I also found tribolube which is intended for the same use as GPL-105 but at around half the price. Click here and scroll down to read about tribolube

[sordna]

I've tried a teflon dry lube and it was nowhere near as good as wet lubes. Not worth it IMO.

[Glod]

for clears can this be used to lube everything from sliders to springs?

I think most of us will be mixing this with 205 Grease for the stems and I'm don't believe this is good springs. WFD recommends Victorinox oil for them and it only costs ~$5

Victorinox oik for $5.95 shipped - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-FOOD-GRADE-KNIFE-OIL-5-ML-w-Applicator-/140841455355

WFD Videos I'm referencing
Lubing MX Switches -

Expensive lube mixtures -

do you guys literally mix the two 50/50? i cant view the video right now, so if answer in there i apologize

[Acetrak]

In! Form filled

[Gupgup]

for clears can this be used to lube everything from sliders to springs?

I think most of us will be mixing this with 205 Grease for the stems and I'm don't believe this is good springs. WFD recommends Victorinox oil for them and it only costs ~$5

Victorinox oik for $5.95 shipped - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Knife-FOOD-GRADE-KNIFE-OIL-5-ML-w-Applicator-/140841455355

WFD Videos I'm referencing
Lubing MX Switches -

Expensive lube mixtures -

So the Victorinox oil can be used for the springs for all switches or just clears? Same with the mixture of 205 Grease and Kryptox GPL 103, this mixture will be used for the stems and inside of switch housing, correct?

Sorry if this has been said, I haven't been following the thread and want to make sure before I buy )

[Jocelyn]

So the Victorinox oil can be used for the springs for all switches or just clears? Same with the mixture of 205 Grease and Kryptox GPL 103, this mixture will be used for the stems and inside of switch housing, correct?

Sorry if this has been said, I haven't been following the thread and want to make sure before I buy )

I believe Victorinox works well with all springs, but I'm not 100% sure. The 205/103 mixture should be fine for everything other than the clicky part of blues/greens/whites, but again I'm not sure.

I'm also paying for this up front (will know a lot more on Monday), so there's no need to commit to buying. I had originally started this IC with the intention of collecting money first and doing a GB, but later realized I could handle the cost on my own. I also had a feeling a lot of people would be interested, but I wasn't expecting this much interest in such a short time. Right now, 17.1 of 17.6 ounces is potentially claimed (You're on the list). I'll go down the the list after I receive it, and you can tell me if you're still interested. DuPont has this readily available, so it shouldn't take more than a few days to reach a reseller and figure another 2-3 to reach me.

If I had to guess, I see myself shipping this out two weeks from now at the latest, but that's a very general estimate. Like I said, I'll know more details on Monday.

[sordna]

Does lubing springs really make any difference? I honestly couldn't tell a difference. Sliders yes, springs nada.

[Broadmonkey]

I always got the impression that lubing the springs was to avoid them making a noise, when their ends "scraped" against the housing/stem.

[sordna]

Well, the spring ends are actually stationary with respect to the surfaces they are resting against.

[Broadmonkey]

I know, but I believe this is more or less the argument, noise or not. I really can't see what else lubing the springs should be good for.

EDIT: Just did some digging and the argument seems to be:
As long as there is a chance of friction, you should lube it.

[WhiteFireDragon]

You should lube springs. Whether or not you want to put the time into that is up to you. I actually question this at first too since it adds another 1.5 hours to the lubing process, but it does help a little bit. I noticed this when you can literally hear the springs make noise, but after lubing it goes away. The noise is from it rubbing against the inside of the stem and the bottom switch housing. Although it doesn't rotate, the coils rubs on these two walls. When you lube it, it reduces the rubbing friction, that's why there's no more spring noise.

Brandmonkey is right, basically just lube anywhere that comes in contact with a moving part.

[Gupgup]

You should lube springs. Whether or not you want to put the time into that is up to you. I actually question this at first too since it adds another 1.5 hours to the lubing process, but it does help a little bit. I noticed this when you can literally hear the springs make noise, but after lubing it goes away. The noise is from it rubbing against the inside of the stem and the bottom switch housing. Although it doesn't rotate, the coils rubs on these two walls. When you lube it, it reduces the rubbing friction, that's why there's no more spring noise.

Brandmonkey is right, basically just lube anywhere that comes in contact with a moving part.

So do you just eyeball the 103 and 250 mixture WFD? Or do you do a certain amount of drops with the 103 and a certain amount plunged in with the 205?

Thank you for making the videos btw, can't even say how much it helped me! I just ordered some Victorinox and will wait eagerly for this Krytox!

[Loligagger]

You should lube springs. Whether or not you want to put the time into that is up to you. I actually question this at first too since it adds another 1.5 hours to the lubing process, but it does help a little bit. I noticed this when you can literally hear the springs make noise, but after lubing it goes away. The noise is from it rubbing against the inside of the stem and the bottom switch housing. Although it doesn't rotate, the coils rubs on these two walls. When you lube it, it reduces the rubbing friction, that's why there's no more spring noise.

Brandmonkey is right, basically just lube anywhere that comes in contact with a moving part.

Would 103 suffice for lubing springs? If I can help it I'd rather not need multiple types of lube.

[KuhnTang]

Why is everyone talking about weight.  Shouldn't we be getting fluid ounces, not ounces by weight?  They are different.

[Jocelyn]

Why is everyone talking about weight.  Shouldn't we be getting fluid ounces, not ounces by weight?  They are different.

It's sold in Kilograms not Kiloliters

[cancelx]

Kiloliter would be damn expensive

[Ovoxo]

I would be interested in 1/2 - 1 ounce.

[Jocelyn]

You're the last guaranteed to get some Ovoxo.

Everyone else feel free to sign up in case someone lowers their wanted amount or if you're interested in a second round. I should have more answers about the "when part" sometime tomorrow

[KuhnTang]

Cool, thanks for putting this together.

[Jocelyn]

Cool, thanks for putting this together.

NP!

I just finished talking with Darren from Netmercury.net and he said it would ship directly from DuPont  & arrive within 7-10 days. I placed the order (~$225 shipped), so now all that's left is to buy the bottles, a syringe, and packaging.

I'm purchasing the "normal bottles" linked on page 1 tomorrow or Wednesday (30 for ~$10 shipped), but I could use a little help with packaging. I'm very experienced with shipping items, have a scale, etc., but I'm not very familiar with mass mailing small packages. Lol maybe I shouldn't refer to 20-25 packages as "mass mailing". If anyone has info on where to pick up 20-25 small packets that will keep shipping down, it would be greatly appreciated. Staples, Office Depot, something else? Let me know.

After figuring in total costs of ~$250 (.5 KG of 103, bottles, packaging), selling one ounce for $15 + shipping and a half ounce for $7.50-$8 + shipping should not be a problem. I'm also not experienced with invoicing via Paypal and wondering what my options are here. I have quite a bit of positive feedback (See signature), can use both Amazon Payments (Zero fees) and Paypal, and would prefer to come out even, so feel free to gift if you're comfortable with that sort of thing. If you're not comfortable with that, we should be able to work something out when the time comes.

Thank You all for showing interest in this and as mentioned, I will do at least one more order if this one goes well

[boost]

Cool, thanks for putting this together.

packages. Lol maybe I shouldn't refer to 20-25 packages as "mass mailing".

NICE!!! Can't wait. Thanks for doing this.

I run about 150,000+ to the post office everyday

[alaricljs]

Try size #000 bubble mailers through ebay.

[Jocelyn]

NICE!!! Can't wait. Thanks for doing this.

I run about 150,000+ to the post office everyday

I cannot even begin to imagine!!!

Try size #000 bubble mailers through ebay.

Thank You! Found 25 for ~$5

[KuhnTang]

Can you post how much we should send to you as it relates to quantity purchased:
ie
.5 Oz = $X
1  Oz = $2X
Please include shipping in this cost.
or whatever scheme you have, as well as the email address you would like us to send payment to via paypal.

Thanks

[Jocelyn]

Can you post how much we should send to you as it relates to quantity purchased:
ie
.5 Oz = $X
1  Oz = $2X
Please include shipping in this cost.
or whatever scheme you have, as well as the email address you would like us to send payment to via paypal.

Thanks

I will PM/Email people after I receive everything (7-10 days). Shipping will be ~$2 domestically and ~$7 internationally and I already posted the per ounce approximations above.
I don't intend to make any profit, but would also prefer to not lose a penny on this lol (I'm paying out of pocket for my portion as well). This is why I'm being up front with costs

[Dianoda]

Considering the order was placed I suppose this could be moved from IC to GB now...

[Jocelyn]

Considering the order was placed I suppose this could be moved from IC to GB now...

Is that generally how this works even when one person is paying for everything up front? If so, do I lock this and start another in GB or simply change title to GB and ask a mod to move it?
My guess would be the later, but I have no idea

Also I found the MSDS - http://msds.dupont.com/msds/pdfs/EN/PEN_09004a35804ce5ee.pdf

SECTION 2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Emergency Overview
The product as such is not hazardous. Inhalation of decomposition products from overheating may cause lung
irritation or shortness of breath.

So does that mean I can just ship it or do I need to post some kind of info on the outside? I'm currently looking into all of this, but thought someone here might know

[The_Ed]

You do not need to put a warning of any kind on either the inside or outside of the packages. You just have to put a label on the bottles that reads "Krytox GPL 103", and if it's shipped international you have to put "Krytox GPL 103" on the customs form as well.

You WILL have to lie to the post office clerk when they ask if there are any liquids in your packages. Oil and grease are liquids.

[Jocelyn]

You do not need to put a warning of any kind on either the inside or outside of the packages. You just have to put a label on the bottles that reads "Krytox GPL 103", and if it's shipped international you have to put "Krytox GPL 103" on the customs form as well.

You WILL have to lie to the post office clerk when they ask if there are any liquids in your packages. Oil and grease are liquids.

Already got the labels covered but WOW, the telling them about liquid thing is only for international right?
I don't want to lie about that lol, not for moral reasons, but I don't want to get in trouble

Edit: lol wait you have got to be messing with me. Put "Krytox GPL 103" on the customs form, but lie and say there are no liquids?? That doesn't even make sense.

When you check out online, it says the following, and I don't see any conflicts with GPL 103

I agree that I will present any items that are liquid, perishable or potentially hazardous to a postal employee for acceptance and that all fragile items are properly packaged. Almost all hazardous materials are prohibited in international mail (including destined to APO, FPO and DPO locations) and include common consumer and household goods such as perfumes, aerosols and electronic products which contain lithium batteries.

[The_Ed]

I am completely serious. No matter where you ship Krytox oils and greases you have to lie that there are no liquids (God help you if you don't lie...). The customs people have no idea what Krytox is, but as long as the bottles and customs form match you're golden.

[hashbaz]

Yikes.

[rknize]

I've had similar experiences shipping engine oil for analysis.  I even brought a letter prepared by the company but they refused.

[The_Ed]

As I said, I am completely serious on this matter.

If you want to run a krytox GB, you must lie to the USPS. No ifs, ands, or buts. Got it?

[Jocelyn]

As I said, I am completely serious on this matter.

If you want to run a krytox GB, you must lie to the USPS. No ifs, ands, or buts. Got it?

I just went to PostNet (local place that offers shipping service) and they said it would not be a problem shipping lubricants first class via USPS.
They also told me I can bring it in pre-labeled, pay a few dollars and they'll make sure it gets delivered, so I guess worse case scenario I let them lie

[rknize]

Its a matter of finding a postal worker that cares at all.  I brought mine to a different post office and it was fine.  Technically, materials with a flash point above 200 degrees are nkt considered hazardous.  You will need to place the bottle in a zip lock bag to prevent leakage.  Many of the workers don't want to be bothered and just say no.  Same with normal international shipping...the workers are not trained at all...you just have to know who knows or figure it out yourself.

[Jocelyn]

Its a matter of finding a postal worker that cares at all.  I brought mine to a different post office and it was fine.  Technically, materials with a flash point above 200 degrees are nkt considered hazardous.  You will need to place the bottle in a zip lock bag to prevent leakage.  Many of the workers don't want to be bothered and just say no.  Same with normal international shipping...the workers are not trained at all...you just have to know who knows or figure it out yourself.

This pretty much summarizes what the guy at PostNet said. I think I'm just going to have them do it even if I lose a few dollars in the process.

Also, Krytox is not flammable, it's flash point is N/A, and its non-hazardous unless you inhale it at Thermal decomposition temperature (350C lol?) according to the MSDS linked above. I think we're going to be okay with shipping

[The_Ed]

My local post office knows my voice when they're calling for other people even...

Make sure to charge enough so that you don't lose any money. Do them maths yo. After I 'eventually' meet up with inlikeflynn and get his payment I will be positive a few dollars as I rounded the price up. But I am negative until then as I did my GB not for profit. I will probably add ~$1 onto every tube/bottle next time as packaging is a pain in the ass... (At least the way I did it. 3 layers of bubble wrap, 1 layer of cardboard, and finally the outside bubble mailer. Damn near puncture proof!)

[WhiteFireDragon]

People ship illegal drugs through USPS. This is how the silk road operates. Harmless lube is the least of their worries.

[alaricljs]

Some clueless guy ahead of me in line w/ the local USPS dude at the counter: "I'm going to ask you again.... are there any fluids in this box" (while shaking head no)

[Acetrak]

I was shipping something out last week and when the lady asked me if there are any fluids in the package I said no. And then she said "Well it's not like you're gonna say yes even if there is, are ya?" lol (I wasn't shipping out fluids though)

[KuhnTang]

I haven't got a bill for this yet?  Are you waiting until you have product in hand?

Thanks

[Jocelyn]

I haven't got a bill for this yet?  Are you waiting until you have product in hand?

Thanks

Yes, the order was fulfilled today. I'll make a GB thread and close this one later today or tomorrow.

[KuhnTang]

I haven't got a bill for this yet?  Are you waiting until you have product in hand?

Thanks

Yes, the order was fulfilled today. I'll make a GB thread and close this one later today or tomorrow.

All the lube is already spoken for right?  why even make a GB thread?  just send an invoice to everyone on the list through paypal.

[Jocelyn]

All the lube is already spoken for right?  why even make a GB thread?  just send an invoice to everyone on the list through paypal.

Because I was asked to do so by a mod, but more importantly people could change the amounts they want. Don't worry, I should be shipping this stuff out early next week.
I also need to go over payment methods, because some people have told me they'd prefer to gift me via Paypal, others would like to pay via Amazon payments, and some others want to pay via invoice and get hit with fees.


Group Buy Thread - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41112.0

[Glod]

topic does not exist

[Jocelyn]

topic does not exist

Yep, still waiting for the mods to approve it >.>

Group Buy Thread - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41112.0