HHKB Pro 2 or Novatouch TKL?

[ntelope]

I know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?

we dont speak of the f660c(rap)

listen to this man

I mean it would be nice if you would criticize the f660c with actual criticism.
But then again it all depends on personal preference

Don't take it personally. They say that about anything with a winkey 

I see It does look like it would be hard to get used to the hhkb latout though

[Polymer]

I see It does look like it would be hard to get used to the hhkb latout though

For some it does..for others not so much.

I think the arrow cluster is the main complaint...When I first used a HHKB I loved the layout but I hated switching back and forth to a more normal layout, mainly with the backspace key..it was such a pain I almost gave up...Eventually I got used to switching..I really do wish other keyboards had the built in ability to use the \ key as backspace..but it is what it is...

[callmejag]

I'm with pretty much everyone else in this thread. The HHKB is a better overall keyboard out of the box (even modded I think it's superior). If you're after a TKL Topre board, invest in a Realforce - it's the better board hands down in my opinion.

The layout of the HHKB didn't take much time at all for me to get used to. It was natural after a couple of days - even the arrow cluster (which will seem odd at first).

[childofthehorn]

OOOOOOORRRRRRRR

Just get the TMK controller and set it to something that you feel a bit more comfortable with.

[ntelope]

OOOOOOORRRRRRRR

Just get the TMK controller and set it to something that you feel a bit more comfortable with.

XD best solution

[sacramentoplaya]

Finally decided to venture into the TOPRE world...
But what confuses me is that is the silenced novatouch tkl good as the HHKB pro 2?
Because the cost of a silenced novatouch tkl + dye sub pbt keycaps is already higher than a stock HHKB Pro 2 with dye sub pbt keycaps(not including the abs spacebar)....
Anyone can give an opinion? 

I'm one of the world's fastest and use an HHKB2.  Never used Cherry or any other Topre.  Never wanted to.  Go HHKB2.

[xtrafrood]

Finally decided to venture into the TOPRE world...
But what confuses me is that is the silenced novatouch tkl good as the HHKB pro 2?
Because the cost of a silenced novatouch tkl + dye sub pbt keycaps is already higher than a stock HHKB Pro 2 with dye sub pbt keycaps(not including the abs spacebar)....
Anyone can give an opinion? 

I'm one of the world's fastest and use an HHKB2.  Never used Cherry or any other Topre.  Never wanted to.  Go HHKB2.

You can't say you're that fast without posting a video. C'mon now  )

[sacramentoplaya]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE
I'm a noob to these forums.  Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here.  Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail.  The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute.  It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here .

[xtrafrood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE
I'm a noob to these forums.  Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here.  Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail.  The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute.  It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here .

Thank you 

[ntelope]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE
I'm a noob to these forums.  Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here.  Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail.  The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute.  It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here .

dude how do you type that fast without any typos???

[sacramentoplaya]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE
I'm a noob to these forums.  Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here.  Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail.  The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute.  It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here .

dude how do you type that fast without any typos???

L33t h4x. Lol, nah. Years of practice and good reading and spelling skills matter a lot. I can't swear by this, but a high-protein diet might help with quicker thinking, too.

To not hijack the thread, OP, the HHKB2 has the CTRL key in a great place, the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear, and the small size makes it really easy to type with it on your lap, something I highly recommend for speed typing.  It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

[iLLucionist]

the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear

Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?

It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

Why not?

[FLFisherman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE
I'm a noob to these forums.  Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here.  Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail.  The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute.  It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here .

dude how do you type that fast without any typos???

L33t h4x. Lol, nah. Years of practice and good reading and spelling skills matter a lot. I can't swear by this, but a high-protein diet might help with quicker thinking, too.

To not hijack the thread, OP, the HHKB2 has the CTRL key in a great place, the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear, and the small size makes it really easy to type with it on your lap, something I highly recommend for speed typing.  It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

I second the amazing placement of the control key. However, why would you say it's not good for gaming?

[Vittra]

The margin between actuating a Topre switch and bottoming out is razor thin. This makes repetitive pressing annoying, and riding the actuation point impossible.

Such a situation may not be preferable in some games - most notably platformers or FPS.

[xtrafrood]

the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear

Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?

It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

Why not?

If Topre kept with the materials listed in the patent you'll have a hard time finding a topre dome that has cracked from stress. I doubt that there is a person on this forum that has seen a cracked Topre dome

[sacramentoplaya]

the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear

Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?

It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

Why not?

I meant I've had my HHKB2 for a year, used it heavily every day, and it's as good as new; so durability isn't an issue unless you take it hiking.  For my work software I need the F keys, and having to hold the FN key and then F key kind of stinks, but I knew this going into the HHKB2 lifestyle and got used to it pretty quick.  It's a non-issue now but might be to some people, especially intensive F-key users.

[iLLucionist]

the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear

Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?

It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.

Why not?

I meant I've had my HHKB2 for a year, used it heavily every day, and it's as good as new; so durability isn't an issue unless you take it hiking.  For my work software I need the F keys, and having to hold the FN key and then F key kind of stinks, but I knew this going into the HHKB2 lifestyle and got used to it pretty quick.  It's a non-issue now but might be to some people, especially intensive F-key users.

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

[chryos1029]

But is HHKB Pro 2's layout hard to get used to?
And does the feeling of the two similar or vastly different from each other?

[sacramentoplaya]

But is HHKB Pro 2's layout hard to get used to?
And does the feeling of the two similar or vastly different from each other?

Can't speak to the comparison, but the HHKB2 is super easy to get used to.  Just get one.  You won't regret it, and if you do someone here will buy it from you, if not me .

[Polymer]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

[iLLucionist]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

[bocahgundul]

Yeah that's the disadvantage of topre. They're still a rubber dome after all

So what I want to know is, are there a way to mako rubber dome back to its new state?

[iLLucionist]

Yeah that's the disadvantage of topre. They're still a rubber dome after all

So what I want to know is, are there a way to mako rubber dome back to its new state?

I guess buy new domes and swap em? But I was thinking.. soft rubber has plasticisers in it right? And they slowly evaporate thus making the domes stiff, right? Couldn't they make the domes of higher quality? It feels like the domes in topre boards is actually quite cheap. I've also rubber that's soft that I have for more than 5 years.

[rowdy]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.

Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?

[iLLucionist]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.

Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?

Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.

All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.

[rowdy]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.

Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?

Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.

All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.

We've had a couple of members with HHKB Pro 1 that has lasted well for about that long.  Albeit a little yellowed, but that too can be rectified.

[iLLucionist]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.

Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?

Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.

All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.

We've had a couple of members with HHKB Pro 1 that has lasted well for about that long.  Albeit a little yellowed, but that too can be rectified.

That's really cool!

[rowdy]

Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.

Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years??  Or are you saying you think it will?  Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?

Can you post pics?  That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...

Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.

The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.

So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.

My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.

My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.

My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.

Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?

Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.

All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.

We've had a couple of members with HHKB Pro 1 that has lasted well for about that long.  Albeit a little yellowed, but that too can be rectified.

That's really cool!

Brilliant restoration!

He's not the only one with a HHKB Pro 1 - I've seen a couple of new members come through with them, and asked how they were holding up.

All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.

[iLLucionist]

All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.

I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:

[rowdy]

All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.

I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:

(Attachment Link)

I've wondered with that - there's no Esc, and no Ctrl to do Ctrl-[ - how do you generate an Esc code?

[iLLucionist]

All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.

I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:

(Attachment Link)

I've wondered with that - there's no Esc, and no Ctrl to do Ctrl-[ - how do you generate an Esc code?

I'm not an expert on how to generate an esc code, but I believe the absence of esc had to do with the fact that Apple's design team found an esc as dos had not intuitive because esc usually means escaping from dialogs / closing dialogs. So you sitting there looking at dialogs / windows and all of a sudden the window is gone. Why? Because you pressed a key. Not sure, but I believe that was the story why there is no esc. It is a non-reversible UI operation, which they found appalling.

Ctrl / Ctrl-[.. on a Mac everything is Cmd +

[rowdy]

All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.

I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:

(Attachment Link)

I've wondered with that - there's no Esc, and no Ctrl to do Ctrl-[ - how do you generate an Esc code?

I'm not an expert on how to generate an esc code, but I believe the absence of esc had to do with the fact that Apple's design team found an esc as dos had not intuitive because esc usually means escaping from dialogs / closing dialogs. So you sitting there looking at dialogs / windows and all of a sudden the window is gone. Why? Because you pressed a key. Not sure, but I believe that was the story why there is no esc. It is a non-reversible UI operation, which they found appalling.

Ctrl / Ctrl-[.. on a Mac everything is Cmd +

Ctrl for control sequences (as defined in ASCII), Cmd for OS commands

[Mrs. Butter]

Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.

Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.

[iLLucionist]

Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.

Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.

Leopold is a nice keyboard indeed if you dig the arrow cluster. But they are difficult to obtain right now, right? At least EK doesn't have them anymore.

[Mrs. Butter]

Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.

Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.

Leopold is a nice keyboard indeed if you dig the arrow cluster. But they are difficult to obtain right now, right? At least EK doesn't have them anymore.

EK always has a very low stock of topre keyboards. But you can easily get one in all the usual places, even Amazon has it.

[bocahgundul]

Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.

Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.

Totally wrong

fc660c(rap) is not hhkb with arrows
They feel like a small realforce so not like hhkb in anyway

[cryptokey]

HHKB.  If you want a TKL Topre, then go Realforce.  Novatouch gives you MX caps at the expense of the feels.

[breaker9691]

I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video :

i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy  Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different

Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway

[rowdy]

I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video :

i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy  Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different

Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway

Case-mount wins again

[iLLucionist]

I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video :

i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy  Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different

Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway

It sounds a bit... high pitched? More in the direction of cherry blues?

[klennkellon]

I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video :

i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy  Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different

Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway

They sound really similar to me, the nova is more rattly though.

[ajx]

I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video :

i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy  Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different

Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway

Case-mount wins again

Silencing mod will turn Novatouch as one of best Topre keyboard in term of feeling
Its literally day and night
Yes its shame we need to silence it in order to get proper feeling (+ adding good PBT keycaps) but once done, jeez, it feels great on you hands
Anyway i also silenced my HHKB, cant go back on non silenced Topre anymore

[appleonama]

hhkb pro 2

the novatouch is horrible garbo

[iLLucionist]

wait... is the novatouch case mounted?

[rowdy]

wait... is the novatouch case mounted?

AFAIK plate mounted.

[iLLucionist]

wait... is the novatouch case mounted?

AFAIK plate mounted.

Ah ok. It sounds case mounted. It sounds so light... almost like a 15$ Logitech dome.

[FLFisherman]

Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.

Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.

Leopold is a nice keyboard indeed if you dig the arrow cluster. But they are difficult to obtain right now, right? At least EK doesn't have them anymore.

EK always has a very low stock of topre keyboards. But you can easily get one in all the usual places, even Amazon has it.

And you could always get it used. Only adds to the glory of the Topre keyboard.

[breaker9691]

hhkb pro 2

the novatouch is horrible garbo

what's have you do ? i've make my HHKB pro2 to silence and get it back now

[this's when i moded, it exactly like type-s without whistle]

[chryos1029]

Stock HHKB is better than stock NT
Silenced NT is better than stock HHKB
Silenced NT feels better than silenced HHKB
HHKB layout/keyboard ergonomic/shape is better than NT
NT has more keys (clusters, f-keys...) while HHKB misses a lack of them
I have both, i prefer HHKB overall because i like 60% more than TKL, the HHKB layout looks also better to me but silenced NT is great keyboard aswell (in my opinion as i stated above, NT feels more firmly, sturdier in your hands)
Hard choice imo, both are very good (if it has been silenced)

What about unmodded Novatouch?
Does it really suck that much compared to stock HHKB Pro 2?

[demik]

Why is this even a question?

Novatouch/fc660c belongs in the garbage