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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:01:58 »
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Have you ever had a case of the Monday's? Then Paperwork may be the set for you! Sporting an office approved gray color scheme accented with hi-lighter high lights, it's sure to bring a smile and a little excitement to your desk.



Paperwork features 13 custom colors from SP's library. GG, GKH, GTR, RDA, RCJ, YBP, YCE, RCR, RCS, BDG, BFQ, VBQ, and VAT



Paperwork has homing bars and includes two 100, one 175, one 200, one 225, and one 625 spacebars and supports both MiniVan, Planck, JD40/45, Daisy, Core and more keyboard layouts.



We have already discussed this project with GMK and they have given us the green light. We will be sending the color chips to GMK which should ensure a quick and accurate color matching process.



















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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:04:22 »
classic evan

yikes on that compatability

I’d love to see an actual render. All the current renders don’t look like GMK.. legends are thin af
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:08:19 »
I like the colourway, I'd honestly just love more compatibility. Or any.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:09:52 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:11:49 »
Only minivan and ortho, lmao

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:14:28 »
Just had to double check the username, but nothing new with evangs in terms of compatibility. How many users do actually have either a Minivan or a Planck? I wonder how many sets you’d have to buy yourself to reach MOQ.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:19:21 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:21:37 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:21:43 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.


Whilst I don’t disagree, this only covers evangs products, not all 40s even. Given that a lot of sets are struggling lately, even if the price is lower, to hit MOQ for any custom colour will be difficult without attracting more people with compatibility.


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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:24:18 »
If this wasn't only 40% support, I'd be very into it.

If you're open to doing a larger GB, then I think the way that GMK Calm Depths and other sets have been offering separate base and 40% kits may be the way to go. 
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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:24:58 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.


Whilst I don’t disagree, this only covers evangs products, not all 40s even. Given that a lot of sets are struggling lately, even if the price is lower, to hit MOQ for any custom colour will be difficult without attracting more people with compatibility.


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I mean this is literally the most classic Evan behavior ever. I expect a long response on why he values the minivan and why he won’t be expanding it. Gl hitting moq.

I’d be pleasantly surprised otherwise, and might even get a set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:32:56 »
That's gonna be a no from me dawg
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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:38:14 »
Yeah... this doesn't even cover THE50.

It's gonna be a pass from me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:50:12 »
Colors are pleasant and nice, minimal and subdued with just enough flair to pop.

But compatibility is, well  :-X. So pass here as well, though I'd almost certainly be in for a regular kit.

With how GMK pricing works, yeah it's more expensive to do a "full" base kit obviously, but its still a far better value to get a larger kit than a smaller kit with GMK. Doesn't really seem like a viable strategy to do single board kits to me. SP is a different story all together, and definitely slightly more viable.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:17:07 »
Hard to look at GMK after seeing this on sphericals...

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:31:20 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?
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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:34:17 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?

I was assuming it was just talking to the fact that the custom colors could be done, but just my assumption. Was an odd way to word whatever that means.
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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:40:58 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?

I was assuming it was just talking to the fact that the custom colors could be done, but just my assumption. Was an odd way to word whatever that means.

yeah but we already knew gmk could do custom colors

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:48:21 »
Why do the legends in the renders look like old school lasered Cherry legends?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:52:19 »
The legends in the renders look almost like OG cherry lasered legends. Strange choice. Also, not sure why you are sending SP samples to GMK, this set could prob be done in GMK stock colors for the most part. +1 to the ****ty compat train.

I realize that you are designing this set for minivan/ your ecosystem of boards, but then I think that GH wouldnt be the best place for an IC in that case. Reddit would probably be better for advertising as well as like a newsletter or something of the sort from your website (if you havent already).

The vast majority of GH wont be able to use this set with the compat as is, so I'm not sure why this IC is up here if you dont plan on changing compat that is.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:00:19 »
Why do the legends in the renders look like old school lasered Cherry legends?

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in b4 he pulls a fast one and ships krepublic sets with these same thin legends

I feel like thicker legends would actually do the set more justice, idk what I’m really looking at here

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:05:18 »
Lmao not even standard spacebar. Looks nice but lack of compatibility for anything is a no go for me. It doesn’t even support a Preonic.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:25:52 »
Works for my planck and atreuii, so count me in!

Sorry to other people who don’t fit. That sucks. I understand the feeling; I can’t use a single maxkeys set. :/

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:36:40 »
I celebrate his whole catalog.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:41:02 »
Interested. I have no clue for the reasoning but major keyset creators have been purposely cutting support for the minivan so im glad to hopefully see a cheaper set tailored specifically for it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:42:49 »
The colours are nice. Is the limited compat an attempt to sell more Minivans? I mean, fair enough if it is, but if you wanted to get nice caps to more people in a small base kit you could easily add enough to cover a bunch of 40's, like other people have said. But I'm sure you realise that. I'm genuinely interested to hear your reasoning anyway.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:59:22 »
It would be nice if this at least supported 40% boards other than the Minivan. As it stands literally only Minivan users can get full use out of this. No-go for me.

The 9009 40s kit was great precisely because it supported a variety of small keyboards. Purple Rain and the blue/green set are not great precisely because they only support the Minivan.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:00:39 »
also, what's the moq on this? 250, right? since it's custom colors

are there even 250 minivans?

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:03:07 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:19:59 »
I need a 2.75u spacebar for the Pearl. Add it, and i'm in

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:23:23 »
Do you like setting things up to fail?
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:27:33 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

Lets say that is 1000 boards at an outside estimate. If the MOQ is 250 (which it usually is for custom colours), that means you need 1 in every 4 people who own one of the few compatible board to buy this set. Given the take up rate of some high profile sets in the community it may be achievable, but a lot of GB sets need vendor help to reach MOQ, even with really popular sets such as DMG.

By just adding a few more keys you could include the rest of the 40% market in your potential pool, probably doubling the size of the pool dramatically.

By adding enough for a 60% or more, you open this set up to perhaps 70% of the community.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:28:58 »
also, what's the moq on this? 250, right? since it's custom colors

are there even 250 minivans?

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:31:24 »
I think this colorway is awesome but due to the compatibility it's a pass from me.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:44:00 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80

What is gmk n6tu?

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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:50:06 »
How many failed moqs does it take...

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:05:58 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:09:30 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

i'm skeptical
Skeptical? Such kind wording, Puddsy. I think we both know it won't happen, no need to ****foot around it.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:11:21 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

i'm skeptical
Skeptical? Such kind wording, Puddsy. I think we both know it won't happen, no need to ****foot around it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:13:22 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts


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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:58:10 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 18:56:58 »
woof, that compatibility is super limited. i might be down if it had a number row, but as it stands it's a definite pass

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:24:48 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:26:11 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:32:38 »
I believe the rest of the people in this thread are making a lot of sense. This set would be fantastic as a minimalist 60% or TKL set, with more 40% support than just ortho and MiniVan. I appreciate your dedication, Evan, but frankly it's a TERRIBLE decision to support only the MiniVan and ortho boards. I love this set. I love the colors. But the limited compatibility is frankly disappointing. I know that the fewer keys, the lower the cost, but it's only a couple more keys and you can support almost every 40% on the market! It's a no brainer. Why not support boards and layouts such as the JD40 and JD45, THE most common and well known 40% keyboards. I would be happy to purchase it if you included these keys, but without them? You're alienating most of the community. ICs are for feedback, and so it's not too late to change it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:40:12 »
looks like slate

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:58:36 »
people buy a (big) base set to cover full size, tkl, 60%, 1800,...
you can make a set that cover almost every 40% boards, no? there ought to be some unused keys, but that's not a big problem. (even less unused keys than a (big) base set)

looks like slate

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I thought this set looks brighter than Slate?  :-[

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:59:51 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:12:47 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:22:00 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?
Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:22:13 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:56:11 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?
Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great

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He was making a joke about the $500 "rack mount" low profile brass case.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:58:13 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?
Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great

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He was making a joke about the $500 "rack mount" low profile brass case.
It's only a joke because 1U is 44mm.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:28:56 »
this aint it chief

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 05:05:31 »
lol it's evangs

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 05:41:18 »
I can see a bright future for this set if it includes some additional keycaps to make it a generally usable alphas set. It woud be enough to add:

one R4 1unit <> key near the shift, for ISO and modified ANSI
three R3 1 unit keys
three R2 keys (two 1 unit key, one 1.25 units key)

I could live with that, also if you still have a different number row. Or if you want you can add a number row, but that way the price will increas of about 10 USD  in total (and I'd still like this).

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 06:27:36 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 06:57:29 »
I can see a bright future for this set if it includes some additional keycaps to make it a generally usable alphas set. It woud be enough to add:

one R4 1unit <> key near the shift, for ISO and modified ANSI
three R3 1 unit keys
three R2 keys (two 1 unit key, one 1.25 units key)

I could live with that, also if you still have a different number row. Or if you want you can add a number row, but that way the price will increas of about 10 USD  in total (and I'd still like this).


I think the kit needs to expand much further to really intrigue buyers than just a few keys to use it as an alphas set. Not sure that would tempt me over.

In terms of Your pricing estimate - lots of things can affect that, and the figure you have quoted may be misleading - after all we have no base idea of what evangs was intending to charge for the set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:54:19 »
I can see a bright future for this set if it includes some additional keycaps to make it a generally usable alphas set. It woud be enough to add:

one R4 1unit <> key near the shift, for ISO and modified ANSI
three R3 1 unit keys
three R2 keys (two 1 unit key, one 1.25 units key)

I could live with that, also if you still have a different number row. Or if you want you can add a number row, but that way the price will increas of about 10 USD  in total (and I'd still like this).


I think the kit needs to expand much further to really intrigue buyers than just a few keys to use it as an alphas set. Not sure that would tempt me over.

In terms of Your pricing estimate - lots of things can affect that, and the figure you have quoted may be misleading - after all we have no base idea of what evangs was intending to charge for the set.

In my 60% the number row is made of ESC and artisans and GMK samples, but beside that, if you've got a set with uniform colors (BOW, WOB, PHANTOM, MONKEY, TERMINAL, SKIDATA etc), having these new alphas (without number row) will surely be and  interesting addition. And at what cost? 6 caps more than the suggested layout? that's very affordable, while giving you a much wider audience.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:10:56 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.

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Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:23:06 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts

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This is the second best thing I could have seen this morning from Oblotzky lol. First being a thread for gmk oblivion R2 ofc.

On a note related to the topic at hand...if this somehow manages to be cheap enough to be considered just for alphas I'd likely buy a set. I can't see that being remotely possible with all of the custom colors though. And IMO you're going to need support from a wide audience here, and currently the target group is miniscule relative to the #s that'll be needed. GL with the GB though.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:36:29 »
First being a thread for gmk oblivion R2 ofc.
Where is that monkaS

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:22:28 »
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.

Any clarification?

I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:33:14 »
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.

Any clarification?

I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:37:14 »
While everyone else is giving some mad hate on this...

I love it and will be buying it.

I solely use a minivan and Planck as my daily drivers and I always look to you guys to provide great compatibility sets for these boards.  It may not cover EVERY board layout possible, or even most 40%'s but that's not the point.  He did the same thing with His other GMK set for the minivan and it doesn't even have Planck compatibility.   If he can give us this for the same as the last set, or a little more most likely, then that's fine with me.

Keep up the awesome work Evan! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:39:18 »
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.

Any clarification?

I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.

I'm pretty sure the whole thing can be summarized as follows:

Awhile back, at the beginning of 2018, Evan started gathering feedback/interest in his new keycap profile, called Hub. It was a neat deal where you get a good number of keysets for a very reasonable price (forgetting the whole need to fund doubleshot molds and machines). At some point during this IC phase renders/mock-ups of Hub in various popular colorways such as Hyperfuse, Royal Alpha, Jukebox, Hack'd by Geeks, Troubled Minds/Noctilucous, Nuclear Data, Muted, Sky Dolch appeared (if they were not already on there) on the Kickstarter page.

Since then mock-ups of colorways like Zambumon's Jamon, and Calm Depths can be seen on The Van Keyboards instagram page. I believe during the Kickstarter many popular designers expressed their disappointment in Evan not reaching out to them prior to featuring these popular colorways (some adaptations of old sets, some direct copies of original ideas) as something he could be making money from.

From what I understand, the lack of Minivan support is a direct response to this and this set seems to be a response to that in so far as if no one will feature Minivan series support, Evan will not feature support for literally any layout other than the Minivan family.

Beyond the keycap designer quarrels, in my opinion this is a bad move purely just due to the fact that these are custom colors and unless Evan will be willing to pick up whatever remainder of the MoQ is left, it very likely won't hit MoQ. More well thought out and planned sets with more compatibility have failed to hit MoQ at the non-custom color mark.

TL;DR:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 13:19:25 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 13:58:28 »
Seems like Evan is a programmer, and Steven is a designer, from reading thevankeyboards.com about page.
The instagram posts seem to be from Steven. The reddit posts from Evan.
I see the disconnect.

This community is pretty small. Lack of support between creators imho hurts end-users more than anybody.
I hope it all gets worked out. I've got a Pearl that is always a mixup of different keysets with the wrong profiles.
I'd like to get more 40% boards and have more options.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 14:12:50 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.

Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:

"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 14:22:27 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.

Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:

"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."

Any reason why you didn’t just quote what I wrote over ther? It wasn’t much longer

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 14:24:04 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There’s a clear difference between cutting the compatibility for an obscure 40% and cutting compatibility for 97% of the boards in the community

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 15:41:55 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.

Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:

"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."

Any reason why you didn’t just quote what I wrote over ther? It wasn’t much longer

Any reason you didn't respond in your own thread yourself? Anyway, I see your reasoning but I think you could use this thread - which is an interest check thread - to figure out the few extra keys to include which would bump the price up a tiny bit but greatly expand the pool of potential buyers. I think someone has already figured those keys out in fact. It's not 'wrong' to make a kit targetted specifically for your keyboard, but it also doesn't seem like good business sense.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 15:49:50 »
Keeping a kit small to have an attractive price is a very good reason, no doubt. However you are risking failing MOQ, so having a kit cost 10$ more and attracting more people is better than having no kit at all.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 16:25:20 »
Keeping a kit small to have an attractive price is a very good reason, no doubt. However you are risking failing MOQ, so having a kit cost 10$ more and attracting more people is better than having no kit at all.

Giving buyers the best bang for buck seems to be something most people designing keycaps really strive for.

In this case I could understand the logic - smaller kit = less money = best value for MiniVan users.

I don't think the logic, if this was the way of thinking, is accurate though. Out of the majority of MiniVan users, I would just assume most have additional keyboards, and that a large number also don't use the MiniVan exclusively. So by providing a bigger kit, even a traditional "base kit" it the sense of 104+Tsangan+40's, etc still provides the best bang-for-buck that you can get from GMK. You also get way more buyers which brings the overall cost of the caps down significantly.

You could also get creative, try something like splitting off alphas, adding a 40's mod kit and a Standard Mod's kit and see what interest in something like that would be.

 
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 17:19:48 »
There's some real drama in this hobby. I think that some of these posts will be studied in marketing courses: how to win people and influence your bank account.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:07:20 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.

Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:

"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."

Any reason why you didn’t just quote what I wrote over ther? It wasn’t much longer

My apologies, I felt uncomfortable quoting it verbatim. I can post it if you'd like, or you can do that yourself. I hope I captured the intent of your response correctly.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:38:25 »
Having a 40's core set is fine, I guess.  But I'd add an extra 'weirdo' layouts ('Other 40's, TKL, Dox) in a few kits.  This way you can maximize 'minivan / plank' users buying a core kit, and letting everyone else who likes the colors spend money to get them for their bigger boards.

GMK sorts and packs the sets anyway, so I don't see why this is a big deal?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 20:23:00 »
so I don't see why this is a big deal?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:12:14 »
Having a 40's core set is fine, I guess.  But I'd add an extra 'weirdo' layouts ('Other 40's, TKL, Dox) in a few kits.  This way you can maximize 'minivan / plank' users buying a core kit, and letting everyone else who likes the colors spend money to get them for their bigger boards.

GMK sorts and packs the sets anyway, so I don't see why this is a big deal?
Yup. I wouldn't buy a Minivan-only set for $80, but I would certainly buy a general 40s/ergo set for $95 or $100.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 03:53:37 »
This is brilliant.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 04:13:40 »
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?

This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11

I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?

The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:58:14 »
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?

This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11

I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?

The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.

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Custom colors receive a 'standard' code once they are finalized by the designer, but they remain custom colors with a MOQ of 250. So for example the dark blue for the GMK Yuri modifiers was matched back in 2016, t0mb3ry received a sample one day called '16-08110' (August 2016, 110th custom sampled colored I believe), and since he approved this exact one for production of GMK Yuri, they gave it the name BL3 (Blau #3, German for blue). So Hyperfuses GR11 is the eleventh Grau (gray) in their lineup, GMK Space Cadet has GR9 and BL15 for example.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:32:46 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:36:30 »
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?

This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11

I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?

The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.

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They usually keep internal codes (GR11 in this case) for custom colors, to easily be referred to in the future vs. a hex or RAL number

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:36:39 »
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?

This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11

I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?

The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:39:34 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:48:16 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:56:40 »
Man....Evan I don't even know you personally but in the year+ I've been in this hobby, I never understood the lack of support for other boards.  Especially when yours is incredibly niche compared to the other 40's out there. 

Like, I get that it's your baby and stuff, but at the same time, you are so focused on only your board, that nothing ever hits MOQ, or nothing seems to go right for you, and you can't seem to figure that out.

I think the HuB stuff really pushed people over the edge on you, and now you're facing the backlash, and rightfully so. 

Btw, what do you do for a day job?  All I see are render after render and nothing more than that.  Are you going to make half the boards you render, or are you just bored???

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:23:58 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?

You should measure to be sure. I can say that my Planck with Cherry profile caps would fit in a 1u rack shelf.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:35:15 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:00:39 »
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?

This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11

I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?

The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

Custom colors receive a 'standard' code once they are finalized by the designer, but they remain custom colors with a MOQ of 250. So for example the dark blue for the GMK Yuri modifiers was matched back in 2016, t0mb3ry received a sample one day called '16-08110' (August 2016, 110th custom sampled colored I believe), and since he approved this exact one for production of GMK Yuri, they gave it the name BL3 (Blau #3, German for blue). So Hyperfuses GR11 is the eleventh Grau (gray) in their lineup, GMK Space Cadet has GR9 and BL15 for example.


That’s really interesting actually - I didn’t realise that’s how the numbers came about. Makes me wonder about all the other numbers we don’t see on GMKs colour wheel...

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:54:19 »

https://ameriburn.org/public-resources/find-a-burn-center/

I wasn’t trying to burn him.  I was genuinely curious.  I see all of these renders and nothing ever comes from them.  But again, he’s so focused on his board and his only, no wonder nothing works out.
I’m pretty sure it’s not Evan doing the renders. And they’re probably for marketing, not a representation of any real products.
I think Steven is the designer on the team, and he’s pretty prolific, but doesn’t really post on GH from what I can tell.
I wish the team would put that stuff out in IC more often. Maybe even just assign a 3rd person to be a community liaison for GH, rmk, discord, and keebtalk... if anyone’s using that.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:48:31 »

https://ameriburn.org/public-resources/find-a-burn-center/

I wasn’t trying to burn him.  I was genuinely curious.  I see all of these renders and nothing ever comes from them.  But again, he’s so focused on his board and his only, no wonder nothing works out.
I’m pretty sure it’s not Evan doing the renders. And they’re probably for marketing, not a representation of any real products.
I think Steven is the designer on the team, and he’s pretty prolific, but doesn’t really post on GH from what I can tell.
I wish the team would put that stuff out in IC more often. Maybe even just assign a 3rd person to be a community liaison for GH, rmk, discord, and keebtalk... if anyone’s using that.
I’d love to see a Van KB Tachikoma set

He should be able to communicate with his partner.

Why are you singling out your niche product even more Evang? Shouldn't you be embracing the other under 60% boards? You areonly contributing in furthering the gap between traditional layouts and your special one.


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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:53:09 »
looks like slate

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pretty much this   :(

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:09:33 »
is this an overwatch match? I've never seen so much salt in one place. I have a minivan, I'm interested in this set. If there aren't enough people with minivans, then we wont hit MOQ and the GB doesn't happen.

Isn't that why you have interest checks in the first place? No need to be slinging shade all over the place.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:27:25 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:32:50 »
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:40:05 »
is this an overwatch match? I've never seen so much salt in one place. I have a minivan, I'm interested in this set. If there aren't enough people with minivans, then we wont hit MOQ and the GB doesn't happen.

Isn't that why you have interest checks in the first place? No need to be slinging shade all over the place.
>being an egoistic block and rips off other people's colorway and gets called out for that
>now self-alienating from the community cause muh board muh choice and gets called out for that too
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:40:17 »
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!

A large part of an IC is listening to the feedback "I wouldn't but this, because...", with because being the key word there. There is some complaints here that don't offer any suggestions, but a lot of people do offer suggestions that would help out.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:03:40 »
There is a big difference between offering suggestions and mud slinging. Many posts consist of very directed insults with nothing constructive to speak of. Like the post directly above you, for example. Don't understand why everyone needs to start spreading hate and negativity rather than  just posting "I'd be interested if there was support for X"

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 17:12:00 »
There is a big difference between offering suggestions and mud slinging. Many posts consist of very directed insults with nothing constructive to speak of. Like the post directly above you, for example. Don't understand why everyone needs to start spreading hate and negativity rather than  just posting "I'd be interested if there was support for X"
1. This is not the first time that evan posts an IC and this is also not the first time we give suggestions to the thread. Most of the time all the suggestions are shot down with the classic but like livingspeedbump has stated above. People do try to give constructive comments but it already fell on deaf ears after so long and so many times threads like this occured
2. Don't say i'm throwing insults at him because i'm not and ironically what he has done is quite insulting to other designers. Look at TheVan's Instagram and say those renders and mature replies are perfectly fine lol

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:17:32 »
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!
 

The community as a whole loses when you stop caring about the community and care only about the products.
Community is not defined by the products that get produced through these buys but by all the people that come together to make these products happen. The designers, the makers, the runners, the supporters and the fans are the ones that make this community what it is.
Custom mechs are such a niche hobby that you have to work together with mutual respect for each other's contribution to the community if you want to succeed.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:26:11 »
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.

If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!
 

The community as a whole loses when you stop caring about the community and care only about the products.
Community is not defined by the products that get produced through these buys but by all the people that come together to make these products happen. The designers, the makers, the runners, the supporters and the fans are the ones that make this community what it is.
Custom mechs are such a niche hobby that you have to work together with mutual respect for each other's contribution to the community if you want to succeed.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 07:42:14 »
since the hub kickstarter, this keyset was like a dream for me,  and even cover gherkins XD im in

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:01:05 »
and even cover gherkins XD im in

Man, that's a pretty meme board to begin with. Gherkin compatibility isn't exactly what this keyset needs to hit MOQ, quite the opposite.

The way I see it - evangs is having a writer's block and he's trying so hard to make at least some of the ideas he has. Minivan is out since summer of 2016. It may be a good-ish 40% board but stop with the renders please. Like every 8 hours a post of a Minivan RENDER, geez louise!

HuB profile could've been a reality but how TVK handled all the stuff with colorways, it wasn't nice. And now with this "unique" keyset for a single layout (OK, Planck too). Out of all keycap manufacturers, going with GMK for a keyset with that many colours and (in)compatibility. I get that people like GMK, people like the one colorway YOU designed and that people know you for the Minivan boards but making an IC without any engagement with the community since the OP? I've read through the thread and evangs replied once? It's been an intense discussion and even though people have some wariness about this becoming a reality, there's some constructive feedback in here.

Evangs - how you see the community? Are you IN the community or just the TVK circle?

The colorway isn't bad and in my eyes is a mix between a classic old-school colorway and something playful but hot damn - you specifically went for mind-boggling 13 custom colors and a unique mod symbols?!

Doing a niche keyset for a niche board with that many variables is surely not hitting MOQ. But the ideas some people mentioned about you doing or like a "compatibility" add-on for at least 60% boards? Ok, maybe don't go with an "International" add-on but bare minimum to gather some interest from rest of the community that could help you hit MOQ. And think of the pricing benefits of more people and just slightly more options?

Sorry if came off too harsh but I can't really stand this anymore. The keyset renders, the completely made-up product renders and going against the grain with almost all of your products in terms of any kind of compatibility and easiness of manufacturing? This is just ridiculous.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:19:20 »
When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:30:54 »
When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............


Couldn’t agree more.

Clearly there is interest in the set given the way the conversation has being going, but there has also been plenty of constructive criticism that could help any further IC or GB stages of this set.

I’m keen to see how Van is going to take on board, and where this set goes from here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:56:28 »
This thread makes me want a minivan.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 16:01:50 »
This thread makes me want a minivan.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #110 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 20:54:40 »
is there only gonna be bar homing keys instead of scoops and an option of bars? pretty lame
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 15:22:31 »
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.

Any clarification?

I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 16:01:52 »
lol it's evangs

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 17:13:47 »
When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............


Couldn’t agree more.

Clearly there is interest in the set given the way the conversation has being going, but there has also been plenty of constructive criticism that could help any further IC or GB stages of this set.

I’m keen to see how Van is going to take on board, and where this set goes from here.

He did reply once -- to throw shade on me trying to get his perspective heard in the thread.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #114 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 13:26:31 »
Do I like the colors? Sorta. It's really up to the price. I've been thinking about getting a minivan just because I love the look of the N6 set on it and I guess my DSA Milkshake fits it, so that's cool.

I don't think I'd pay 100 for this though. If I could get it for 80, definitely.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #115 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:59:03 »
Update time! While some may think I don’t listen, I actually do. I’ve been reviewing the feedback and I have added 9 keys that I think make the most sense.



this adds support for JD40/45, Daisy, Core, and more. I have updated the OP with some layout maps of these other boards as well as the revised base set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #116 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 19:15:52 »
Perfect. I'm in! I'll finally have coverage for a Pearl and Catalyst.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 10:23:09 »
Final IC Update!

We are proud to announce that we are partnering with Jack of OLKB on GMK Paperwork and will be hosting the group buy on both https://thevankeyboards.com/ and https://olkb.com/

The group buy will launch on February 15th 2019 and run until March 18th 2019.

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #118 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 10:29:04 »
Final IC Update!

We are proud to announce that we are partnering with Jack of OLKB on GMK Paperwork and will be hosting the group buy on both https://thevankeyboards.com/ and https://olkb.com/

The group buy will launch on February 15th 2019 and run until March 18th 2019.

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback.

Yassss!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #119 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 16:45:53 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #120 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 16:55:36 »
$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
I long for the day when I find a beamspring. (At a not insane price)

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 17:53:54 »
$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Where do you see that price?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #122 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 20:19:26 »
$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???

Where do you see that price?

Jack already mentioned price on r/OLKB
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #123 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 23:22:33 »
$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #124 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 11:02:28 »
Update time! While some may think I don’t listen, I actually do. I’ve been reviewing the feedback and I have added 9 keys that I think make the most sense.

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this adds support for JD40/45, Daisy, Core, and more. I have updated the OP with some layout maps of these other boards as well as the revised base set.

Thank you. It might be educational for the community to know the price increase due to adding these keys.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 13:56:26 »
$125?!?!?!?

GOOD LORD DUDE....

What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.

Using thirtheen different colors increases the price since GMK has to change plastics for each color.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #126 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 09:40:24 »
Seems like price will be $125. Around $1.80 per cap. Wow. :rolleyes:

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 08:32:48 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 13:55:01 »
any chance for a full base?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:07:38 »
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colors are decent but i still won't buy a minivan
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 17:31:43 »
I don't like to say 'no' when it comes to interest checks.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 18:34:32 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 19:51:53 »
That GMK render doesn't look like such a great color match. Looking at them side by side on my monitor, the GMK render colors all look a bit off compared to the SP color chips. I know GMK is historically good at color matching (as long as they have a good quality reference like an SP color chip), but an "off" official render doesn't inspire confidence. Now that it has nice 40% compatibility I am definitely interested.

I also wonder if you could make this a bit cheaper by using GMK colors at least for one of the grays, like GR1 and 2B or something.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:39:51 »
That GMK render doesn't look like such a great color match. Looking at them side by side on my monitor, the GMK render colors all look a bit off compared to the SP color chips. I know GMK is historically good at color matching (as long as they have a good quality reference like an SP color chip), but an "off" official render doesn't inspire confidence. Now that it has nice 40% compatibility I am definitely interested.

I also wonder if you could make this a bit cheaper by using GMK colors at least for one of the grays, like GR1 and 2B or something.

gmk renders are never a good color match
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:19:15 »
I'm kind of upset that you don't offer compatability for my daily driver. Truly disappointed in this set. SMH.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #135 on: Sat, 09 February 2019, 19:35:47 »
Neat set, I would totally consider it for Planck.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #136 on: Sat, 09 February 2019, 20:43:29 »
any chance for a full base?

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!  Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Knowing Evan, never....

Also, I hope the colors aren’t as muted as the second render above because they’re supposed to be highlighter colors, right???
To be fair, they are selling DSA Lightcycle as a full kit: https://thevankeyboards.com/collections/catalog/products/light-cycle?variant=13606240485459

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 15 February 2019, 09:29:46 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #138 on: Fri, 15 February 2019, 12:55:58 »
Purchased! This will be great for my Kumo or Planck. Noticed a price reduction as well, very nice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #139 on: Mon, 18 February 2019, 03:05:06 »
I'm kind of upset that you don't offer compatability for my daily driver. Truly disappointed in this set. SMH.

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This keeb is too fancy to use.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 17:46:20 »
Love the colorway

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 20 February 2019, 00:24:06 »
Lovely keyset.
Great for 40s user.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 27 March 2019, 10:07:19 »
quick update for anyone over here. GMK invoice has been paid. color match is in progress. There are still sets available at https://thevankeyboards.com

thanks and have a great day!

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 27 March 2019, 10:52:15 »
quick update for anyone over here. GMK invoice has been paid. color match is in progress. There are still sets available at https://thevankeyboards.com

thanks and have a great day!

Great news!! Are you still considering adding 637 more keys so everyone can stop drinking the haterade?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 11:31:59 »
color samples came in today  :D




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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 11:36:10 »
Looking fantastic! That pink is insane.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #146 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 02:06:26 »
Ok so part of me thinks I have to have this for my Preonic. But apparently the minivan was driven by a soccer mom or someone who loves to ruin other peoples fun.

Can anyone recommend a top row of numbers from a different set that wouldn’t look plain terrible to mix with this set. Or is anyone planning on copying this colorway and just releasing it in a full size layout? Kind of annoying to see a good keyset get ruined over petty middle school girl behavior.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #147 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 10:14:48 »
Kind of annoying to see a good keyset get ruined over petty middle school girl behavior.

It's not "middle school girl behavior" to cover a board only in the 40% range.  That's just called exclusivity.

It's the same exact thing I'm doing with DSA Vegas Nights.  Don't say it's ruined just because it can't cover YOUR board.  If this was the other way around (Just like with Zamb, T0mbry, and Obliz) everyone would just agree they are happy there is no minivan support.  Most people who are driving the drama, are the ones that make layouts for fullsize boards.  I think you've got it backwards, homie.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #148 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 11:33:47 »
There’s a difference between not covering skmething because it’s going to not sell and cost money overall and then not covering something just to prove a point because your favorite is too niche to be norm. Then again I don’t know anything so sure ok consider me enlightened.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 12:16:50 »
There’s a difference between not covering skmething because it’s going to not sell and cost money overall and then not covering something just to prove a point because your favorite is too niche to be norm. Then again I don’t know anything so sure ok consider me enlightened.

Bless your heart!

The irony of someone with an Preonic complaining about "too niche" is pretty rich.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #150 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 14:42:01 »
People with sub 60% boards have been cobbling sets together from the start.
This one will cover most better than many, so I’ll try it out. I’ve got THE50 to try and cover, so this should work for the main cluster. The numpad, I’ll just cover with artisans or continue to use 9009