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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #600 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:37:41 »

Can anyone tell me what DFU programmer build and octagon software version they used? I can update the firmware to the ATmega32U but then every time i go to upload a hex it says no DFU connected...

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #601 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:40:00 »
So frustrating. I am following all the guides I can find precisely but it just keeps giving me the DFU programmer not connected :(

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #602 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:54:29 »
If you're using 02D keymapper make sure they're in the same folder as the dfu executable

Edit: Disregard, I misread the last part of your post

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #603 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:55:37 »
If you're using 02D keymapper make sure they're in the same folder as the dfu executable

I have it set up properly. I have the dfu programmer win 0.7.2 inside my octagon folder with the hex file. No idea why it won't connect..

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #604 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:56:17 »
The only 75% boards I've seen with semi-standard key sizes are the Noppoo Choc Mini 84 and the Keycool 84.
I've also seen the Deck 82, but it has an odd layout (tilde down near space bar and off sized 1 key) and the the KBT Race 2, but it has odd key sizes for the keys on the right.

I can't find any Keycool 84s for sale and the only Choc Mini for sale has red switches. I was hoping for MX clears or browns.

Do you know any other alternatives that I don't know about? $400 is pretty steep for a keyboard, especially when it was originally on sale for $295+shipping+fees (were the shipping+fees really $100?).

Thanks for any input.
there aren't any good stock 75% keyboards, koreans are the way to go with this layout. according to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vxgQLNZY_rUoBRevfYOynOycvSpctOmS2SJDZuJd5A/pubhtml?gid=1468327763&single=true, there are 35 Octagons on geekhack. your chances of finding one is not high, so if you desire this particular board, it's a good idea to get it now (assuming you're cool with the silver housing). if you just want another board with the same layout, you can contact forum member Kaliet, he makes 75% boards and will take your order. or you can purchase an acrylic case from http://hanaacryl.com/product/?s_category=150 and outfit it with a PCB+ parts from http://winkeyless.kr/en/. both options will be cheaper than acquiring an Octagon from the classifieds

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #605 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:09:44 »
GON has a vendor forum here and you should be able to order a keyboard from him.

http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/3-custom-kbds-w-assembly?p=2
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #606 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:16:01 »
he already said $400 is steep for a board, and a GON costs near $500 without factoring in the shipping fee from Korea.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #607 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:18:12 »
The o2d software makes me want to sell my octagon.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #608 on: Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:19:56 »
Can you try it on another PC?

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #609 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 02:30:34 »
Help Programming the Octagon PCB

For anyone having trouble with flashing the keyboard follow these steps exactly and see if it works, maybe you are missing a single step... and again, I do have a build log that links the files that may help earlier in this thread. (<=== click the little globe icon under my avatar pic to take you there)

So, first you get the dfu programmer and the keymapper program into the same folder on your C: drive

Also, make sure you get the right DFU programmer for  your OS from its sourceforge page.

Unplug the keyboard from the computer

Hold down the "End" key (2nd from right on top, known as "FLIP key") while holding it, plug in the keyboards USB plug to the computer.  The keyboard should not light up and show up in the device manager as "Amtel USB" or something like that...  Also, in my case the keyboard DOES NOT FUNCTION so it may seem like it is not connected, but it is, just in a non-keyboard mode.  If and when prompted choose "browse my computer for driver" and point it to the DFU programmer folder as the location for the driver for the device, check scan subfolders and have it search for the driver.   Go to device manager and update the driver from there if for some reason you are not prompted.  This makes it so that Windows will recognize and use the right driver software when you are in DFU Programming mode.  If you don't use the flip key when plugging it in, or don't use the DFU driver when prompted or whenever in flip mode, it will fail.  If you get this part, it is now ready to be flashed to a new firmware. 

If you do not hold the "FLIP" key as I said (End key) then the board figures you have the firmware you like and connects to windows in regular mode... and cannot be connected to by DFU or the Firmware program at all.  You only do this flip key thing when you want to change the layout with a new flash of the firmware, otherwise you just plug it in like normal.  Do not hold the flip key every time you plug it in... this actually makes sense in a way once you grab a hold of the design.

Keep in mind I am using Windows 8.1 Operating System... if you are using something else, mileage may vary.

Open the keymapper and open the hex file you wanted.. now go to firmware update, connect, and it should flash. 

I am wondering if you are missing one basic step and it is tripping you up.  It is definitely not an easy thing to figure out at first, but once you "get it" its not too bad... and once you set it up how you like you will never have to do it again.  Every time you plug it in it will load the firmware you flashed... way better than needing a program running in the system tray or something.  I like it because it makes the keyboard work the same every time you hook it up or boot your PC.

The way I think of it is like this;  you can't flash the keyboard unless you set it into the flash mode (like getting into the BIOS when you start your computer) by holding the FLIP key when you plug it in.  Windows doesn't know what to do with it in this flip mode, so you need to point it to the "programmer (dfu)" driver software.  Then you just use the keymapper software to send the code to the dfu programmer driver and therefore hard program the PCB of your keyboard to whatever you like, which keeps until you decide to put it into flip mode again in the future and change the mapping of your keys.

Thats about all I understand about the process explained as well as I can explain it, and I really hope it helps people.. once you get it working it really is great.  Let me know if this fixed your problem or not, if not, try to be specific in what part of the process is failing on you and the error message you are getting.

On another note... finally got the Deep Space set on this board, consider it finished finally!  I actually kept the default key mapping that my layout had, just added a few layers for LED functionality.

« Last Edit: Sun, 29 March 2015, 04:36:29 by whizzard »

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #610 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 05:51:25 »
Here's a gist of building and updating my octagon's firmware.
https://gist.github.com/tjweir/236ab2695b95f7c363b7

If more details are needed, let me know.
I included my layout and will send the .hex if you want.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #611 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 09:17:11 »
whizzard have you played thru the RGB setting in 02D keymapper?

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #612 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 12:55:23 »
Thank you very much Whizzard and TJ! I got everything running now and it is working great! Big props to you guys!  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #613 on: Sun, 29 March 2015, 13:26:33 »
Thank you very much Whizzard and TJ! I got everything running now and it is working great! Big props to you guys!  :thumb:

High five!

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #614 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:42:35 »
Anyone else know if you can edit/change the color cycles in the built in RGB LED in the PCB?

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #615 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:13:34 »
Thank you very much Whizzard and TJ! I got everything running now and it is working great! Big props to you guys!  :thumb:

Awesome!! Knew you would get it.


As far as the RGB cycle thing, I haven't really messed with it all that much, but I know you can change the behavior.  I think you can set one color, make them breathe, stuff like that.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #616 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:38:25 »
Is this keyboard difficult to program? or is the layout of the software straightforward?
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #617 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:56:13 »

Is this keyboard difficult to program? or is the layout of the software straightforward?

I would not say it's hard. Either tmk or o2d are generally straightforward. But with all software, there can be difficulty.

If you need help, just post here, someone will help.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #618 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:41:02 »
Is this keyboard difficult to program? or is the layout of the software straightforward?

Only reason I could figure it out was with the help of tjweir and whizzard. O2D is the most complicated software I've used so far. Nerd is the easier, then winkeyless, and in last is O2D. There are guides though which do a decent job

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #620 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:14:13 »

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #621 on: Tue, 31 March 2015, 20:23:15 »
Love is red

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #622 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:41:14 »
Would any of the Toronto area GHers in on this buy be willing to meet with me to help get a switch desoldered so I can finish this build?  I have a pump to do it, but I can't seem to figure out how to remove the switch.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #623 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 05:20:43 »

Would any of the Toronto area GHers in on this buy be willing to meet with me to help get a switch desoldered so I can finish this build?  I have a pump to do it, but I can't seem to figure out how to remove the switch.

Add more solder to the switch in question.  Then try to desolder again. 

Post a picture of the switch in question.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #624 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:34:03 »

Would any of the Toronto area GHers in on this buy be willing to meet with me to help get a switch desoldered so I can finish this build?  I have a pump to do it, but I can't seem to figure out how to remove the switch.

Add more solder to the switch in question.  Then try to desolder again. 

Post a picture of the switch in question.
Once I get home I will.  The issue isn't really with the switch, but the LED.  One of the leads from the LED broke up when I was desoldering it, and it's now stuck in the PCB with no lead visible from either side.  I'm basically screwed if I was an LED in my caps lock switch.  Haha.
« Last Edit: Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:37:20 by swornxin »

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #625 on: Sun, 05 April 2015, 10:50:45 »
Just want to let you know that octagon tmk support moved to this new home:

https://github.com/xauser/tmk_keyboard/tree/xauser

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #626 on: Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:01:08 »
Just want to let you know that octagon tmk support moved to this new home:

https://github.com/xauser/tmk_keyboard/tree/xauser

Oh nice, any new work done on it?

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #627 on: Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:42:34 »
  • I changed the build system to support further keymaps without any Makefile changes
  • I Added a space fn keymap

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #628 on: Sun, 05 April 2015, 11:47:43 »
  • I changed the build system to support further keymaps without any Makefile changes
  • I Added a space fn keymap

Oh nice, I'm using SpaceFN, I really like it.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #629 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 00:53:24 »
I know this GB only finished a few months back but do you think we might have a round 2 some time this year? I'm loving this layout :D
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #630 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 18:58:27 »
can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.



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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #631 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 19:01:48 »

can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.

By cursor keys do you mean mouse keys?
If you use xauser's tmk port you can use mouse keys, I do. 

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #632 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 19:37:22 »

can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.

By cursor keys do you mean mouse keys?
If you use xauser's tmk port you can use mouse keys, I do.

no, the arrow keys
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #633 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 20:21:36 »

can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.

By cursor keys do you mean mouse keys?
If you use xauser's tmk port you can use mouse keys, I do.

no, the arrow keys

Oh ok, grab an app called AppLocale[1] and launch O2D with the Korean locale. 

You'll see the actual arrow symbols when it's configured correctly. 

Then configure and flash and you should be good.

Let me know if it still fails and I'll email you a keymap .hex 

[1] - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13209
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #634 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 20:52:45 »

can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.

By cursor keys do you mean mouse keys?
If you use xauser's tmk port you can use mouse keys, I do.

no, the arrow keys

Oh ok, grab an app called AppLocale[1] and launch O2D with the Korean locale. 

You'll see the actual arrow symbols when it's configured correctly. 

Then configure and flash and you should be good.

Let me know if it still fails and I'll email you a keymap .hex 

[1] - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13209

thank you good sir, it works great now.
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #635 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 20:59:28 »

can someone let me know how you add cursor keys using o2d please?  i don't want to be using software key remapping

thanks.

By cursor keys do you mean mouse keys?
If you use xauser's tmk port you can use mouse keys, I do.

no, the arrow keys

Oh ok, grab an app called AppLocale[1] and launch O2D with the Korean locale. 

You'll see the actual arrow symbols when it's configured correctly. 

Then configure and flash and you should be good.

Let me know if it still fails and I'll email you a keymap .hex 

[1] - http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13209

Thank you so much for this!

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #636 on: Wed, 08 April 2015, 21:01:54 »
thank you good sir, it works great now.

Thank you so much for this!

No worries, enjoy!

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #637 on: Sat, 11 April 2015, 15:26:12 »
Just completed assembly my Octagon with black 59g + Clear top-cover :)

Many thanks Elton ;)
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #638 on: Sat, 11 April 2015, 17:06:33 »

Just completed assembly my Octagon with black 59g + Clear top-cover :)

Many thanks Elton ;)

Looks great!

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #639 on: Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:48:43 »
Is this gb still active?

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« Reply #640 on: Sun, 12 April 2015, 00:15:25 »
Is this gb still active?

Nope. Been done for a while bud.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #641 on: Tue, 05 May 2015, 11:39:49 »
Just completed assembly my Octagon with black 59g + Clear top-cover :)

Many thanks Elton ;)

looks amazing, i've also got my octagon and gaterons, just waiting for solder to come from amazon  :(
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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #642 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 13:26:04 »
Finally finished my work Octagon.

Vintage blacks with 52g springs from kin.


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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #643 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 14:12:19 »
Finally finished my work Octagon.

Vintage blacks with 52g springs from kin.

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Beautiful work keyboard!

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #644 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 14:30:51 »
Gonna be honest and say I messed up octagon up for myself by putting in mx blues. It is lovely to type on but I realized I hate the click  :blank:

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #645 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 15:28:02 »
Gonna be honest and say I messed up octagon up for myself by putting in mx blues. It is lovely to type on but I realized I hate the click  :blank:

I put a mix of greens and clears on my Viper.  I lasted a week until I desoldered and replaced everything with vintage blacks.

For me, the tone of the click is awful.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #646 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 00:18:19 »
Please message me if you are looking to sell your octagon. Thanks

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #647 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 01:15:29 »
Please message me if you are looking to sell your octagon. Thanks

There are a couple in the classifieds right now. 2 unbuilt sets I think both silver.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #648 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 12:08:37 »
Finally finished my work Octagon.

Vintage blacks with 52g springs from kin.

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Beautiful work keyboard!

It's nice to have the exact same layout and mapping at home and work.
Prior, I had an Octagon at home and an OTD MX-mini at work.  Same layouts, but different mapping.

Much better now.

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Re: [GB] Octagon 75% Kustom Keyboard
« Reply #649 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 14:37:22 »
Has anyone have success programming the RGB below the PCB? (Like which color order should display)