Wacom Stylus > *This.
Steelseries Sensei... I know it comes with all sorts of "bling" but it's still a nice mouse (I've written this on a few forums and I start to sound like a broken record / shill)...
Does it differ from the Xai other than the looks, the feel of the surface, and the faster working LCD menu?
The DeathAdder and IE3.0 are my go-to mice.
logitech g500 for life~
Truly an exceptional mouse. I'm using it right now and feels like the one that will replace my razer copperhead.
I still prefer the shape of the diamondback/copperhead but I wanted a higher DPI sensor and more buttons so...
G500 FTW, now I get why people likes Logitech.
Try the G700... Same sensor as the G500, but wireless and MORE buttons! :Pand the same ergonomics as the MX Revolution which is what really sold me.
Try the G700... Same sensor as the G500, but wireless and MORE buttons! :P
I wanted that one but wasn't available here and decided that I would stick to a G500 since I don't really need a wireless mouse (a wireless trackball would be nice tho).Check out the Logitech M570 then
Steelseries Ikari LaserI used one of those since they came out up until a couple monthes ago when it finally bit the dust. I switched to a G700 fits my hand and needs better.
I'm using a Logitech Performance MX which is, in my opinion, the best mouse I've ever used. It also looks great and fits my hand perfectly.personally my thumb is a bit tight which it wasnt on the MX Revolution or the MX 1100 or the G700
personally my thumb is a bit tight which it wasnt on the MX Revolution or the MX 1100 or the G700
I guess my hand is shaped better for the performance MX than yours is.or you have a smaller thumb.
I find Microgear really useful in daily use and I prefer wired as they're generally lighter than battery mice, so G500 is pretty much the best for me (the other contender, G9X, loses as it has fewer buttons). G700 is nice but the battery dies too fast - if I find a suitable cable I could use it wired perhaps take advatnage of the extra buttons. Anywhere Mouse MX still my favorite for mobile.Juat grab any micro USB cable for the G700. I recommended Link Depot and Rosewill of Newegg.
Yep, mouse tech has levelled off but you can always have improved ergonomics and different styling / random features. I'll keep buying *shrug*
Hmm... I thought I posted in this thread.. must've been another one. lol Oh well. My current favorite mouse is CM Spawn. Been using it for more than a few months now and no issue whatsoever (my previous mouse was a R.A.T. 7, also in the pic below).That is one big bulge for you ring fing. But your pinky is left hanging? or you have to hold it to the side.Show Image(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/CM%20Spawn/DSC06115.jpg)
Hold it to the side but this mouse is so small so that isn't a problem. It's a lot smaller IRL.i like palm mice so... Ikari Laser and Any mouse with the same Ergonomics as the MX Revolution and G700 are for me.
I'll buy this spawn as well, sensor is better than the Zowie ec2 mouses from the feedback I got. And it looks that this CM brand has exploded the competition since the realease of the Inferno last year.
Can anybody confirm that the mousewheel is as nice as I've heard?
thats not for gaming ... but for other purposes..Was that a requirement? That it was supposed to be a gaming mouse? And why wouldn't such a much be useful as a gaming mouse? I believed people who plays games like WoW and such liked thing that they can connect to game macros?
You should get the steelseries sensei
I've read nothing but mediocre reviews on the sensei.
The fact that it's ambidextrous lends to it not being super comfortable for either right handed users or left handed users.
I don't know how someone can justify spending ~$100 on a mediocre mouse...
I've been using the MS Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a as my primary mouse for probably a decade (along with various other mice that I've never liked nearly as much).
I just received a new Steelseries Xai and I'm loving it - almost identical dimensions and I like the optionality that the high DPI sensor offers.
Good for you.
I came through the same route. I used a ms Imtellimouse Optical 1.1 for years. Then I tried a few other mice but just could not settle with them.
Then I found the Xai and felt at home with it right away.
Whack your poll rate up to 1000 for super crisp responsiveness. And make use of the Higher DPI. For games you really can tell the difference.
I would recommend the Steelseries Qck mouse pad too. The Xai floats over it. A perfect pairing.
G700 at max resolution. When gaming my pinky (wikipedia time! "pinky" from, via Scottish and Dutch, the proto-indo-european base "penkwe" meaning five, also the root of the words pentagram, pentagon, and pentium) and ring fingers stay in the same spot, they act kind of like anchors on a handboat.+1 for the G700
Even with my 30" monitor, I am able to reach all corners of the desktop and spin around 360˚ in-game and aim perfectly well with my penkwe and ring staying in one spot.
Looks like the poll rate is on 1000 by default. I turned the DPI up to 4000. Any other tips for this thing?
For mousepads, was looking at the Qck but I like the reviews I've been reading of the Japanese Artisan mouse pads.
My favorite is the G5. I think I have the second revision? It's got two buttons on the side and a blue crackle finish. I've used an MX518 and a Razer Death-Adder and I liked them, but not as much as the G5.have you tried the G500?
have you tried the G500?
I've looked at it, but I haven't taken the time to try it yet. Is it quite a bit better than the G5?I would say yes I like the slight design change and the additional features.
I'm currently using the Logitech Mx518, great mouse. I feel like i need to get a "newer" mouse however, this one has been through hell. Has anyone used the Razer Mamba 2012? How's the tracking of it? For someone who perfer's the claw grip, what are some good choices for me to look into, that are smooth and have great tracking.
G500
G700
+1 for the G700
My favorite is the G5.
have you tried the G500?
mx 518 is king
Is it quite a bit better than the G5?
G400 would be a pretty good replacement of MX518 shape wise
G500
G700
+1 for the G700
My favorite is the G5.
have you tried the G500?
mx 518 is king
Is it quite a bit better than the G5?
G400 would be a pretty good replacement of MX518 shape wise
I've looked at it, but I haven't taken the time to try it yet. Is it quite a bit better than the G5?
We accept you one of us, gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0)
Ive have never had a barided cable fray on any mouse including logitch. Are all of you low dpi gamers?
Not so sure one needs to be a "low dpi" gamer to fray a braided cable. The most likely place for a cable to fray would be on the edge of a desk.
Personally, I don't usually have a cable attached to my 5700dpi set mouse, but when I do it's when I'm not gaming and just charging it.
I do know that when my cursor can cross my 2560x1600 desktop at less than an inch movement in my hand, we are coming close to the max we can expect out of the typical human hand, the nerves involved, etc. . . . but then again, my grandfather was a clocksmith and could work on some pretty intricate stuff. . . I just think there is a break off point where when you start heading down too high of a sensitivity, there is a negative impact to the ability to aim. We may have already crossed I don't know and I think it is an interesting question.
Lastly, let me just say, high dpi != high sensitivity. Someone could have extreme dpi set on their mouse but then lower the sensitivity as far as they can. In many ways, this would make sense for someone to do who is looking for extreme accuracy.
I think best is to have a 1to1 windows cursor setting and controlling cursor speed using the dpi of the mouse.
Yeah see, that is way too slow for me with my g700 even at 5700dpi!
You sure to have it set to 1to1? (Notch 6 in windows and turn of accel) because thats a bit crazy to hear you say that as even after hours of trying i cant do a single thing at that dpi, though was stuch at 1600 for years finally moved up to 2600 for desktop use which is easily enough controllable for general stuff.
The QPAD 5K. But I prefer the look of the white version.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2Csp1.jpg)
This looks like a good mouse for big hands...might have to pick one up...Feels very cheap and the shape is very restrictive, the glossy coating gets very sticky but not veryone will like that feeling.
where can i find that white qpad 5k for sale in the states?It's not just a white 5K, it's an OM-75 (different sensor: A3060/3080)
Razer Deathadder and Logitech G500 are my favs.
My daily driver is a G400, which replaced a 1st Generation G5.
For SC I like my Logitech Optical Mini.
My next mouse will definitely be an IME 3.0.
Yeah I've never had the pleasure of trying an MX518, but the price was right on the G400 at the time. No regrets here!
The Cooler Master Storm Inferno is nearly perfect for me so it gets my vote. I'd recommend most of their mice though, definitely the best I've used.
Looking for a new mouse for my filco ninja.
Thinking about the corsair M60 any other suggestions?
Gr.
Been using a death adder for the last 5-6 years, switched over to the sensei recently and I'm liking it a lot more mainly because I hated the rubbery coating on the death adder, but I did prefer the non-ambidextrous profile on it compared to the sensei
Zowie AM-GS for me!Yes! Another Zowie user! Gotta second this. As a competitive RTS/FPS gamer, I gotta say the AM-GS is possibly the best mouse I've ever used.
Best mouse I ever had.
Yes! Another Zowie user! Gotta second this. As a competitive RTS/FPS gamer, I gotta say the AM-GS is possibly the best mouse I've ever used.
I've been looking at those mice. They seem like the answer to anyone who wants a Sensei but doesn't want to deal with the positive acceleration.I wouldn't say that. It's not as customizable as the Sensei. Only runs 125/500/1000 mHz polling rate and 450/1150/2300 dpi. Everything else about it is good though. LOD is as low as advertised, tracking is superb, and the build quality is excellent. Oh, and it's all hardware driven so you don't run the risk of software ****ing up the mouse.
I wouldn't say that. It's not as customizable as the Sensei. Only runs 125/500/1000 mHz polling rate and 450/1150/2300 dpi. Everything else about it is good though. LOD is as low as advertised, tracking is superb, and the build quality is excellent. Oh, and it's all hardware driven so you don't run the risk of software ****ing up the mouse.
If DPI buttons are a concern, just wanted to let you know the AM-GS has only 1 dpi button and it's on the bottom of the mouse. And only one set of side buttons can be active at a time, can't have both left and right sides activated. =/ I use what I'd call a "lazy claw" grip style and the AM-GS does feel comfortable, though not as comfortable as my Steelseries Kana (it's slightly smaller than the Kana). The buttons have been accidentally pressed when lifting the mouse, but I do have long, thin hands. I'd say depending on your hand size, the AM-GS would feel super comfortable. As for the other concerns (LOD, accuracy, accel), I can confidently say the AM-GS fits all of those.
I need to try the Spawn... I'm still worried I won't like that shelf on the right-side, but I guess I won't know until I try it.
I'll put in a recommendation for the Spawn as well simply based off it's price and the fact that it uses the same sensor as the Zowie AM (Avagos ADNS-3090, probably the best optical mouse sensor available commercially). Haven't tried it yet just because I know for a fact that it's too small for me (the Steelseries Kana, which is only a few mm longer than my Zowie AM-GS, is the perfect size for me) and I've done a bit of research on the mouse. Took me a week of research on ADNS-3090 mice to settle on the AM-GS. :P
Anyway, the problems with the Spawn are negligible for the average gamer and based on it's size and sensor, I'd say it's the perfect claw grip mouse. I saw a deal for it for $14.99 after mail-in rebate but I can't remember specifically where I saw it. Anyone wanna provide a link for those interested?
Been using my g9x without the shell. It's really light to move around playing SC2. I switch between this and my spawn. Both are great mice.
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$5 Microsoft Laser mouse. I like my Magic Mouse okay too.
Didn't use that many different mice but recently got a new old stock WMO 1.1 and so far I think I like it more than my Explorer 3.0 because it's lighter and has a textured surface. I miss the forward/back buttons though. never had an MX518, but did play around with a display model and loved the shape. Should i get a G400? The low DPI on the Microsoft mice is almost a deal breaker on a 24" display.
I love modding EVERYTHING i own LOL
For a long time my favorite mouse was the SteelSeries Xai, until I got my Mionix Naos 3200. They've both been eclipsed however by the CM Storm Spawn, holy bejesus I've never been 100% satisfied with a mouse, I am with this one. Once the cord relaxes a bit, which it already has quite a bit(I need a mouse bungee, /cry) it'll be perfect.
I'm also on the CM Spawn and love it. I strip the insulation from the USB cord of all of my gaming mice, and just use the bare 4 USB wires. I didn't use the CM Spawn cord this time, but one from another cheap mouse I had on hand. If you are careful with your stuff you won't break the cable (played with an IME 3.0 for over a year with this light cord). And if it ever breaks, replace it. Easy to do. If the pins for the USB to PCB plug are out of order they are also easy to resequence.
It makes your mouse feel wireless. I started doing this with the WMO. Huge improvement, I promise.
used to be the deathadder, but after two years the left button started to squeak. bought the G9X to replace and been loving it since.
I still have that mouse sitting in my mouse drawer, my first mouse ever and it still works great.Show Image(http://ferdianwidya.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/logitech-g5-mouse-rust.jpg)
Probally the best mouse ever made and when my Lachesis dies, I'm going to get another one.
I'm not a fan of Razer's branding or most of their products but my Deathadder hasn't steered me wrong yet, plus it's huge and comfy. Want to try the Logitech G9X when it goes on sale again, though.
I still have that mouse sitting in my mouse drawer, my first mouse ever and it still works great.Show Image(http://ferdianwidya.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/logitech-g5-mouse-rust.jpg)
Probally the best mouse ever made and when my Lachesis dies, I'm going to get another one.
Edit: I should probably clarify; it's the first mouse I bought myself, not the first mouse I ever used.
I switched from my ball intellimouse to the Logitech MX518(I think that was the model) when I finally found an optical mouse that could perform better. Then I dabbled with the Razer Copperhead(Now that was a mouse) back when Razer was legit. Back to the same Logitech(so good) first laser mouse was a Logi G5(You could say I'm a late adopter).
Right now, I like my Mamba as my productivity mouse for its super low latency wireless but it's really too heavy for playing shooters so my main right now is the Steelseries Sensei RAW.
If, like me, you like the shape of the Logitechs, you can't go wrong with a G5 or G500. Otherwise, I highly recommend the SS Sensei
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though
Jesus, is it worse than the Philips Fail Eye?
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.
Errr? Seriously, do you know how bad the Corsair profiles and macros management software sucks? Individual profiles for each game/app never work and the interface is god damn confusing.
And it's soo bad up to the point of even corrupting the firmware of the mice that use it just by changing the god damn DPI settings, making it look like the mouse is dead and then forcing the user to reinstall the firmware itself to get the mouse back working?
While I may defend the Corsair M60 since it isn't all that dependent of the Corsair software (though I really had to reinstall its firmware hundreds of times until they somewhat "fixed it" by July, six months after I bought the mouse, since then I never opened the interface again), the M90 in the other hand...
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.
Errr? Seriously, do you know how bad the Corsair profiles and macros management software sucks? Individual profiles for each game/app never work and the interface is god damn confusing.
And it's soo bad up to the point of even corrupting the firmware of the mice that use it just by changing the god damn DPI settings, making it look like the mouse is dead and then forcing the user to reinstall the firmware itself to get the mouse back working?
While I may defend the Corsair M60 since it isn't all that dependent of the Corsair software (though I really had to reinstall its firmware hundreds of times until they somewhat "fixed it" by July, six months after I bought the mouse, since then I never opened the interface again), the M90 in the other hand...
haha i agree. the software is bit screwed up. but i just really like the grip of the M90. I hardly use it since i'm a RTS gamer.
And it sucks that u can't open the mouse T _T
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though
lol i smell a troll...
Well... I just got my third G9x. I've purchased and returned a G9x, twice already (thanks to Fry's return policy), and I just keep coming back to the G9x for some reason. I've tried a lot of the other popular mice, like the Deathadder, G700, G400, but... I don't know. Something about the G9x. I just like its low and wide profile - seems to help my performance with games.
I switched from my ball intellimouse to the Logitech MX518(I think that was the model) when I finally found an optical mouse that could perform better. Then I dabbled with the Razer Copperhead(Now that was a mouse) back when Razer was legit. Back to the same Logitech(so good) first laser mouse was a Logi G5(You could say I'm a late adopter).
Right now, I like my Mamba as my productivity mouse for its super low latency wireless but it's really too heavy for playing shooters so my main right now is the Steelseries Sensei RAW.
If, like me, you like the shape of the Logitechs, you can't go wrong with a G5 or G500. Otherwise, I highly recommend the SS Sensei
Why didn't you get a Logitech G700 then?
I haven't found my perfect mouse yet :(
I haven't found my perfect mouse yet :(
Though at the moment I find Razer Naga and CM Storm Xornet to be fairly good, want to try Logitech G9X and CM Storm Recon later.
Has anyone mentioned the QPad?
I saw it mentioned here LONG back and was always interested because of it's ergonomics. I finally ordered one and couldn't be happier. It's ergonomics are wonderful and it's very comfortable for large hands.
I got this one:
http://www.qpad.com/products/mice/5K/
Has anyone mentioned the QPad?Yeah, I've been using this for quite a while and it's pretty great IMO. I do find the buttons _slightly_ too easy to click though, kind of annoying.
I saw it mentioned here LONG back and was always interested because of it's ergonomics. I finally ordered one and couldn't be happier. It's ergonomics are wonderful and it's very comfortable for large hands.
I got this one:
http://www.qpad.com/products/mice/5K/
If you like the preformance mx try the G700
I'm currently using a SS Kana I really like the shape of it, the sensor isn't great but it works. Its lot lighter than my G400, however I think I might need something a tiny bit bigger and a greater sensor, I've only heard good things about the Sensei and Taipan(after configuring the sensor). So after manning up and deciding which computer to buy/build I think I'll check one out.If you can swing a Zowie mico check it out
If you can swing a Zowie mico check it outI've actually looked at the StarTale edition but I think 1600 DPI is too slow for me.
Currently using a Corsair M60. It takes a lot of getting used to feel-wise and the software (if you want to reprogram any of the buttons) is pretty bad but once its set up and you get used to it, damn good mouse. Really solid construction.
Currently using a Corsair M60. It takes a lot of getting used to feel-wise and the software (if you want to reprogram any of the buttons) is pretty bad but once its set up and you get used to it, damn good mouse. Really solid construction.
Well, did you knew that the software was so bad up to the point of corrupting the mouse's firmware and making it stop working just by changing DPI settings until JULY?
Bloody hell, while it's indeed a very comfortable and well-made mouse, the software can only be defined as: RETARDED.
Now, just think... Is the Corsair M90 a good mouse then? :confused:
Jesus Christ, that thing should be banned for the sake of mankind.
Zowie Am FG, nice finish and perfected the Ambidextrous models kinks.
I just had to do this since most people don't know how badly Corsair software sucks...
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.
Pffff.... it's not that bad dude. I will woop dat ass at counter strike with my Naga 2012. User name atronusthemighty holla
In reality you don't um.... do that too much with a mouse (hitting the desk with the bottom of the mouse repeatedly... Lol)
I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.
But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?
Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.
But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?
Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
The sensor in the new DA also looks interesting, 6400 dpi optical, but I'm a bit wary since I fear the high dpi might come at a cost. I haven't really seen a lot of info on it yet.I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.
But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?
Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
Which is why they should use an AVAGO 3090 or a variant of it, but the problem is that gamers want as much DPI as possible, regardless whether or not the sensor sucks or not.
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.The 2013 model also has an optical sensor.
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.
Uhhh, the optical sensor for the Abyssus and the pre-2013 Deathadder is the same... AVAGO S3888.
Maybe one of the reasons why you dislike the laser sensor is that the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 is one of the worst laser sensors ever made. The tracking on black mousepads is just terrible, there's positive acceleration, there's problems with the Z-Axis, its known for dying all of a sudden on some mouses...
Even Razer isn't making new models with this sensor anymore. Now they're using an AVAGO ANDS-9800 variant for their new laser mouses such as the Taipan and the Ouroboros.
Ow, and by the way, Thermaltake and Cooler Master won't be using this Philips laser sensor anymore and Logitech/Steelseries/Mionix never used it because they knew it sucks.
I am using zowie am right now its fine with sensor very good actually but clicks are stiff really and scroll too very stiff actually may its normal for smashers but I was hoping a little bit soft buttons but its good while playing game you dont have any misclick and you dont care much about stiff while playing games
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what switches does the deathadder use? I find them perfect I really like how they feel.
Hey fellow GeekHackers, I was just wondering if anyone had ever owned or tried out the OCZ EQUALIZER LASER GAMING MOUSE.Looks like it's just a rebranded ODM mouse, if it is I wouldn't expect it to be great. Call me a snob, but I don't think I'd buy it.
I was thinking of buying it, and was looking to get some feedback before doing so, Thanks all!
Pictures:Show Image(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_D.jpg)Show Image(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_buttons.jpg)
Link:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html)
I see you are a Mouse Enthusiast vun, so if you don't mind, could you please explain to me what an ODM mouse is xDWell, ODM isn't a mouse specific term, it just means "original design manufacturer", although I mixed it up with OEM, which is "original equipment manufacturer".
Currently, I own the Logitech G500, which I love and am happy to stick with. Just wondering what other options are out there, as I want one mouse for the net-cafe, and one for home.
So I've been thinking of trying out a new mouse, instead of just getting another G500. Do you have any other suggestions? Another option was the SteelSeries Sensei.
I know I must sound like a noob to you with all these choices, just I am not looking to spend an exorbitant amount of money on mice, but I still want a good quality one.
Okay thanks! And thoughts on the Sensei?The Sensei looks really sleek, I'll be buying one soon, and from what I remember the [RAW] version is pretty decent value for the money. It's got a laser sensor so I suspect it's got the same issues as the G500 sensor, but if that hasn't been an issue for you so far I wouldn't worry. I use a G9x often which shares the G500 sensor and the slight acceleration hasn't bothered me so far.
I might just be the only one here that uses an Am FG with only 450 DPI.
Im ok with that :-*
Hey fellow GeekHackers, I was just wondering if anyone had ever owned or tried out the OCZ EQUALIZER LASER GAMING MOUSE.
I was thinking of buying it, and was looking to get some feedback before doing so, Thanks all!
Pictures:
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Link:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html)
Intellimouse 3.0
There is no other mouse for me.
G5 is my favorite.Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels throughout generations of their products.
G5 is my favorite.Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels throughout generations of their products.
True, but it hasn't been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.G5 is my favorite.Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels throughout generations of their products.
Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
True, but it hasn't been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.G5 is my favorite.Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels throughout generations of their products.
Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
True, but it hasn't been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.I see, I'm sure you could bind one of the side-buttons to do your bidding?G5 is my favorite.Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels throughout generations of their products.
Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
I use it all the time (new tabs in web browser, copying text in X11)... it's also the reason why I prefer CM Storm Xornet, and G9x collects dust in the closet.
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought processI hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
optical
g400
goml xD
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought processI hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
optical
g400
goml xD
but having compared both while gaming, I haven't found it to be noticeable really.
all laser mice have multiple issuesHaha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
idk how you dont like itall laser mice have multiple issuesHaha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Yeah have been hoping they come out with a new release for the g500, I just don't like the physical feel/look of the g400.idk how you dont like itall laser mice have multiple issuesHaha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
well I did have a mx518 before hand so.. might just be used to it
anyway I would still stay away from laser till they find a decent sensor
Any Mionix Naos (8200 below) and it's definitely the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I use a Palm grip and do very little lifting of the mouse, so I doubt it'd work for everyone.Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/0/0c/0ca404f0_Mionix.jpeg)
OMG, Best mouse ever, there needs to be a remake of it. with Teflon feet. I just refurbished my old silver one and it works and feels soo much better than any of my newer mouses.
They get dirty nasty and old but still better than a lot of the new ones!
You forgot to mention that if someone is happy with their laser sensor, meaning that they don't experience any skipping at their speed, it's fine. They might want to switch to optical if they want to play competitive FPS, but for most other genres it doesn't matter. Going optical to increase performance in something like Dota 2 or SC2 will do nothing. Going optical to get more kills in CoD will do nothing.No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought processI hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
optical
g400
goml xD
but having compared both while gaming, I haven't found it to be noticeable really.
all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Alright, finally got my Mionix Naos in. It takes a little bit to get used to THAT much of a palm grip. It tracks well with both my Func Industries 1030 and my Mionix Propus 380 (of course.)
yep that design was ripped from the SteelSeries Ikari but it is a good shapeAlright, finally got my Mionix Naos in. It takes a little bit to get used to THAT much of a palm grip. It tracks well with both my Func Industries 1030 and my Mionix Propus 380 (of course.)
Glad you like it, and YES, you definitely need to be a palm gripper to use any Naos :p
I am not too knowledgeable in sensors but I think the SS Sensei (SSS :D) has a smoother feel than the G600. It is also a lot lighterThey use pretty similar sensors, the regular Sensei uses an A9500 I believe, where the G600 uses the A9800. The Sensei MLG edition uses the A9800 as well I think. I haven't done any serious comparison, but in my experience there is no real difference in feel between the 9800 and 9500, so the Sensei being smoother is most likely something of a placebo or a more comfortable dpi setting.
You are right... and the fat mousefeet. My g600 has thinner aftermarket feet and naturally have less surface coverage. G600 also has a big heavy battery in it so yea. It is pretty much all my preference. ><G700 you mean? cause the G600 has no battery....
I like my G600 a lot especially the 3rd clickSame, the entire mouse is brilliant. I really bought it for the shape of it and initially wished there was a version without the G-keys, but I quickly fell in love with it all. Not so good for competitive FPS games and whatnot, but it's fantastic for general computer use and casual gaming.
The G600 is plagued with tracking issues—I just returned mine after a month of use. It's also not nearly as comfortable/accessible as the Razer Naga.may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...
If you can get past the durability issues and bad Z-axis tracking, the Naga is amazing. So much that I'd now feel uncomfortable going back to a mouse with standard number of buttons.
Only a handful of gaming mice seem to be free of tracking issues at the moment: Razer DeathAdder 3/3.5/2013, Razer Abyssus, Logitech G400 v2, Roccat Savu and CM Storm Spawn.
What about the Steelseries Xai? I use that at home for FPS games when I'm feeling competitive. It's flawless.The Xai has positive acceleration due to its Avago A9500's sensor, so it's not considered to have flawless tracking.
Agreed 100% +1 for Naga - I recommend everyone and anyone to use it. Only reason I don't use the Xai full-time is because it lacks a tenkey.
may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
If its that minute bs that you have to test to find, i dont consider that a problem :D
Most laser sensors have either positive or negative acceleration with the PTE being the only exception that I know of, although that has other problems. I've found that, at least for me, I can't use the G600 comfortably at the levels where these issues would actually bother me.What about the Steelseries Xai? I use that at home for FPS games when I'm feeling competitive. It's flawless.The Xai has positive acceleration due to its Avago A9500's sensor, so it's not considered to have flawless tracking.
Agreed 100% +1 for Naga - I recommend everyone and anyone to use it. Only reason I don't use the Xai full-time is because it lacks a tenkey.may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
If its that minute bs that you have to test to find, i dont consider that a problem :D
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Pointer-Delay/td-p/904278
And the Avago A9800's positive acceleration.
All made worse by the G600's non-flashable firmware.
Personally, I "found" all of these without any testing. If you don't game or don't take gaming performance seriously at all, I guess these won't be an issue, but then one has to wonder why you'd even purchase a >$60 gaming mouse.
Boy I'll woop dat ass in scoutzknives, or any other CSS map. WITH my Xai.Nobody ever said acceleration was a bad thing, some people prefer it, the only reason I have an issue with hardware acceleration is that I don't want to be forced to use it. But that's the way it is, as far as I know the acceleration issues are a result of the limitations of the laser technology, although I seem to remember at least one large manufacturer pushing for perfect, or at least better, laser sensors.
Most laser sensors have either positive or negative acceleration with the PTE being the only exception that I know of, although that has other problems. I've found that, at least for me, I can't use the G600 comfortably at the levels where these issues would actually bother me.Yes, all laser sensors so far have had flawed tracking. I'm not defending laser sensors, and wouldn't use them if it weren't for the Naga being so damn practical in both MMO and FPS. Yeah it has the Z-axis issue, but I hardly ever lift my mouse so I'd rather have that than acceleration.
High sensitivity players probably won't notice this at all and low sensitivity players should be using optical anyways due to the higher tracking speeds.
The fact that the G600 doesn't perform optimally in FPS, which is about the only genre where the laser sensor issues are really worth mentioning imo, is rather moot as the mouse is made for MMO use where you can perform just as well with a laptop trackpad.
I'm not sure if there's pointer snapping, I haven't tested for it and I usually don't notice it's there as my G400 is an earlier model before the corrected the angle snapping, so far using that over a mouse with a flawless sensor doesn't feel any worse.twas talking about this http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
Besides, I can't really think of any games where pointer snapping would put you at a disadvantage apart from games like Quake, and I honestly can't see anyone playing an arena FPS like Quake with a G600 to begin with.
It has been argued that angle snapping will generally be an advantage in something like Counter-Strike as it helps you keep your sights straight when turning and most likely won't have an impact on your aim, I find that I mostly agree with that argument.
Though I'll say that I would prefer that this would be an optional feature, but for most people it's not an issue that should make or break the deal, at least not on a mouse like the G600.
I'm not sure if there's pointer snapping, I haven't tested for it and I usually don't notice it's there as my G400 is an earlier model before the corrected the angle snapping, so far using that over a mouse with a flawless sensor doesn't feel any worse.Perhaps "pointer snapping" wasn't a good way to describe it. The cursor doesn't snap to angles, it jerks all the way upward or downward, usually in the heat of the moment when you do a lot of clicking. This got me killed in Team Fortress 2 every time.
Besides, I can't really think of any games where pointer snapping would put you at a disadvantage apart from games like Quake, and I honestly can't see anyone playing an arena FPS like Quake with a G600 to begin with.
It has been argued that angle snapping will generally be an advantage in something like Counter-Strike as it helps you keep your sights straight when turning and most likely won't have an impact on your aim, I find that I mostly agree with that argument.
Though I'll say that I would prefer that this would be an optional feature, but for most people it's not an issue that should make or break the deal, at least not on a mouse like the G600.
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free
For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free
For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI
what purpose is there for having that many?
Probably the wrong question to ask on a website devoted to the intricacies of keyboards filled with keyboard collectors.
I have quite a few because I like variation. I collect mice that I find interesting, for instance using a RAT 7 is very different from using a Razer Abyssus etc. etc.What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free
For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI
what purpose is there for having that many?
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.
Good god no.
The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.
You probably won't experience any skipping as long as you don't play with low sensitivity, most laser mice tend to skip at high speeds, I believe the sensor in the RAT 7 can't handle the same speeds as most other laser sensors, although I could be wrong as I haven't used my RAT for any serious FPS play so I don't actually know.RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.
Good god no.
The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.
I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
I play at 2000 - 3000dpi myself and it is great. Tracking surface can make a huge difference as well. I just tested low to high the other day and no skipping for me at all.If you have a hard pad then issues with the laser sensors will be less noticeable, and at 2-3k dpi you probably won't notice any skipping as most games don't have sensitivity settings low enough to make you move your mouse fast enough to skip at those dpi levels. The newer CS games do go fairly low, though, if you put sensitivity at 0.15 - 0.25 in Source or GO you will most likely notice skipping at 2000dpi if you want to be able to turn reasonably quick. Like I said, though, I haven't tested with my RAT so this is mostly just theorycrafting.
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.
Good god no.
The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.
I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
I believe there are at least two versions of the RAT 7, I had to RMA mine and the replacement had slightly different packaging I believe and the box of accessories was very different. I've heard rumours that this version of the RAT 7 has slight improvements to the sensor.What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.
I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
Hmmm... didn't realize they were different models, thought it was just a different box. I have the one that came in the larger box.
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.
I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
Hmmm... didn't realize they were different models, thought it was just a different box. I have the one that came in the larger box.
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking. I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I own a Razer Lachesis, R.A.T. 7 (5600), Steelseries Sensei, Zowie Evo EC2 (Smaller one), and logitech g400.
I used the Razer Lachesis for years with no complaints, honestly... i would still be using this mouse if I hadn't worn the **** out of it.
The R.A.T. 7 is horrible in every sense of the word. Obviously the skipping, but I was in serious pain after several hours of use, regardless of how much I messed with it. I believe the main problem is I have no defined grip style anymore, when I used my razer.. it was almost ALWAYS palm. Now I use the steelseries and I switch all the time.
The evo was too small and I could ONLY fingertip grip it. I should have bought the bigger one :(.
I'm returning the logitech g400. I use the side buttons on my mouse for when I play WOW, and the Logitech just doesn't do it for me. The side buttons aren't in the right position for how heavily I use them. (Honestly, I should probably think about rebinding these keys and just using my keyboard.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking. I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking. I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
Normally you'd be right. However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces. Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking. I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
Normally you'd be right. However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces. Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
CM Storm? The RAT is made by Mad Catz for Saitek.Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking. I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
Normally you'd be right. However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces. Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Oddly enough, it seems to be specific to the CM Storm mice. IDK probably firmware related.
I use a Steelseries Sensei.:o diamondback 3g was awesome same sensor as deathadder but had prediction. It was also very cheap compared to say the copperhead which was worse sensor wise.
Absolutely amazing comfort levels. My palm just rests just perfectly on the mouse surface.
Previously used MS Sidewinder X8, Razer Diamondback 3G <--- both semi-terrible mice.
..Did try out the Mionix (RH) Naos 3200/5000 and they too are extremely comfortable.
Can anyone comment on how glossy the RAT 7 Contagion is? I wanted the Albino (because it's matte...don't like glossy), but it appears they stopped selling them. If it comes to it, I could get the Red one.
Can anyone comment on how glossy the RAT 7 Contagion is? I wanted the Albino (because it's matte...don't like glossy), but it appears they stopped selling them. If it comes to it, I could get the Red one.
I think R.A.T mice are either love or hate.
Some ppl love it but some ppl hate it. It's also depends on your use of the mouse. Gaming?
And what kind of games do u play?
imo, glossy finish is worse than the matte finish.
I dun think it's worth it. over priced and the quality is actually not that good if u open the mouse.
I would rather use G9X.
Been using a Feenix Nascita for the past couple of days. Finally got it in after being on the wait list for a while. I like it. Is a rather large mouse, which is great though as I have big hands. Not sure if it is worth the high price, but so far I am enjoying it.Not worth it, just a rebranded OEM mouse with good marketing behind it from the looks of it.
how small is the zowie ec2 compared to the ec1 ? I love my ec1 but Im wondering if I would like the ec2 better ?
i am still using my (i think) 7 year old MX518.
however i am thinking about getting the 2013 deathadder, but it is still super expensive for a student who invests in mechanical keyboards (lol)
also i have some bad experience with razer peripherals.
i am still using my (i think) 7 year old MX518.
however i am thinking about getting the 2013 deathadder, but it is still super expensive for a student who invests in mechanical keyboards (lol)
also i have some bad experience with razer peripherals.
Just picked up a G400 for FPS games. Should I worry about what surface I use it on? Currently using a Fellows black cloth mat (which seems to work fine with my Naga...)Don't worry, should work fine on most surfaces.
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
Quick list of mice to look at;
Logitech G400
Razer Abyssus
MS IME 3.0
Mionix Naos 3200
CM Storm Xornet
If you like the DA then the G400 and IME 3.0 are both worth a look, if you want a different shape I would recommend the Abyssus as you don't need drivers for it at all, although the shape of the Xornet has also gotten a fair amount of praise.
If you are interested in PTE the Razer Lachesis is the one you'd be looking at, but you said you didn't want Razer so that's out. The only non-Razer mouse with PTE I can think of atm is the R.A.T. mice, but I can't imagine that being the mouse for you.
The Abyssus doesn't need drivers, there are physical switches underneath for dpi and polling rate, and no side buttons to configure, so you don't really need drivers for anything. It's a great mouse, I adore mine.I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
Quick list of mice to look at;
Logitech G400
Razer Abyssus
MS IME 3.0
Mionix Naos 3200
CM Storm Xornet
If you like the DA then the G400 and IME 3.0 are both worth a look, if you want a different shape I would recommend the Abyssus as you don't need drivers for it at all, although the shape of the Xornet has also gotten a fair amount of praise.
If you are interested in PTE the Razer Lachesis is the one you'd be looking at, but you said you didn't want Razer so that's out. The only non-Razer mouse with PTE I can think of atm is the R.A.T. mice, but I can't imagine that being the mouse for you.
I can probably get a razer if I knew it didn't come with the god awful drivers. Also,the RAT mice looked amazing but I haven't been able to find anything regarding the sensors in them. I know the RAT 3 has a good sensor but I haven't been able to find anything about the other mice.
Thanks for your help so far! Is there a way to tell which RAT 7 has which sensor? There's a store here that sells them physically and I can pick up and look at the box (and probably open them).All RAT 7 should have the upgraded sensor, but you're still in doubt the easiest way to tell is to open the box and look at the box of spare parts; if it's a large metal tin it's the old model, if it's a modest size black plastic box it's the improved version. I also believe the packaging is smaller for the improved model, but unless you have the old packaging to compare it doesn't help a lot. Still, I doubt there'll be any of the old ones left.
(Still may get the Xornet, that mouse looks leet as heck)
One last noob question but is the sensor in the Albino R.A.T 7 going to also be acceleration-free? I'll make up for my lack of content posting with pictures once I pick me mouse/R.A.T up.Yeah, all the R.A.T. 7 mice should have the PTE, the 9 does as well I believe, but I don't know what sensors they use in lower models.
Logitech G9
whoa wanting to make life a bit easier I took a risk and bought what the internet seemed to show as a good relatively unknown mouse with 5 buttons.
I give you my new favourite mouse (well almost). It uses the same sensor as the Spawn/Recon/Savu/new RAT 3 etc. an optical avago 3090. The size is like perfect for my small hands. It is roughly the width of the abyssus and roughly the length too (the abyssus is slightly longer). The scroll wheel is smoother rather than tactile but it's not half bad. The top is a glossy plastic finish and the side is a rubberized grip not quite like anything i've felt. It is ambidextrous but it has thumb and pinky support which is pretty decent. Has a braided cord I don't really mind too much.
Pros:
Cheap I got mine for R379 -> £35
Omron main switches
5 buttons
450/900/1800/3500 dpi modes with sensitivity adjustment options
Macros
Good fingertip/palm hybrid mouse
Probably good for claw grippers
The mouse clicks are good
The LED can be switched off
Cons:
Skates the mouse skates scrape along my qck, I figure they will wear down but it's not like razer quality skates.../sad panda
Software: required a few restarts till I got it to actually give me the macros I wanted.
Not too sure on side buttons but they are easy to press
Position of side buttons is fine for the thumb button but the pinky is a bit hard to hit
I don't feel like it's as well built as the cm storm spawn which sadly just was too wide for me.
All in all I feel for it's price it is the mouse diamondback/krait/abyssus users should choose if their hands are small the RAT 3 with the same sensor is also pretty nice. This is what I wish the kana had been unfortunately I wont even try it because of the non-omron switches and the sensor issues (that have now mostly been solved). It's early days but it seems to be a pretty darn good find/buy. The skates are the worst part for sure...
//side note: I saw this mouse in the store just after I got my abyssus mirror(happy accident, I actually ordered a normal abyssus, I still like it though), I was intrigued because a friend said I should just get a Genius mouse. I checked out the data on the net and was surprised to see a fairly strong set of features. Guess my friend was right I should have got a genius mouse.
Is this the Genius Maurus? I've heard some good things about it from other sources.
For a really small Avago 3090 mouse, though, I think I'll stick with my Team Scorpion Zealot Jr.
I recently picked up a Mionix Naos 8200.
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used.
It's an excellent product.
I recently picked up a Mionix Naos 8200.
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used.
It's an excellent product.
I'm considering this as a replacement if my G700 ever dies.
There's a Krait 2013, which is essentially a smaller Taipan with less buttons. Apparently it's pretty awesome, but it's not in the US market. Gotta get it off eBayI really don't trust modern Razer design. The best products I've ever owned from them were the Boomslang(had for 6 years, took a pitbull puppy to kill it) and Krait(rain, mud, fire, and sand the thing still worked) both of which are older models. I purchased a Mamba, which is hands down the worst mouse I've ever owned for a myrid of reasons, and a black widow who's switches decided to stop responding to input. They replaced both(Razer) but the point that it happened at all still stands.
I really don't trust modern Razer design. The best products I've ever owned from them were the Boomslang(had for 6 years, took a pitbull puppy to kill it) and Krait(rain, mud, fire, and sand the thing still worked) both of which are older models.
The DA 2013 and Taipan are two of the best mice I've ever used. I honestly never had a problem with Razer mice. It's everything else that sucks.I have no problem with Razer's build quality. I had the deathadder when I was about 9-11 years old, and it was great then since my hands were small.. However, now I always find razer mice to be far too small. I've tried all of them and not a single one is comfortable for me. I had, and in fact still have lying around somewhere, a blackwidow which was a solid keyboard. The gloss sucked though.
I think he's referring to everything else, in the Razer line.My bad. I misread.
DeathAdder when you were 9 - 11? Jesus, how old are you? I was 27 when they came out :-\ Young'ns up in hereI'm 15. Maybe I was a little younger or older when I had the deathadder... I can't recall exactly when I had it. I just remember it was too small by the time I was 12.
Man... I gotta say. I just had a session with Crysis 3, and I'm not digging the ergonomics of the G400 for FPS play. It could be something that's going to take getting used to, and other people may very well not have problems with it themselves, but... I just don't like it.
What are people's thoughts on the G400 for FPS's? That said, what are some other good mice for FPS's in terms of ergonomics?
I'll still be heading out to Fry's to check out other mice, though. The G400 was only $29, so I have no problem writing it off as a loss.
Auugh the R.A.T 7 has bad acceleration issues. Just when I got used to the grip too :( I'll be seeking out another DA3.5g unless I can find a good mouse that doesn't have acceleration in it. I think the Zowie ec eVo doesn't but I can't find any information anywhere.
Yeah, the RAT 7 uses the PTE sensor which is the only laser sensor with no hardware accel. If you've got accel issues then you need to check your windows/driver/game settings.Auugh the R.A.T 7 has bad acceleration issues. Just when I got used to the grip too :( I'll be seeking out another DA3.5g unless I can find a good mouse that doesn't have acceleration in it. I think the Zowie ec eVo doesn't but I can't find any information anywhere.
That's odd seeing as it uses the phillips twineyes that are only really famous for their z-axis issue.
Are you sure you don't have it turned on somewhere like not applying the registry fix?
Or he could have an older model. I believe the 1st run of the RAT 7 had a phillips twin-eye, but I could be mistaken.All RAT 7 models have had the acceleration-free PTE, but the 1. gen had a 5600dpi version whereas the newer models have a slightly improved 6400dpi PTE sensor.
Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.
Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?
That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.
Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?
Afaik the Abyssys and DA 3.5G are a generation older than the mice you listed, along with the original Lachesis. Although the Lachesis got a refresh where it got the new scroll wheel, multicolour LEDs and the 5600dpi PTE.Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.
Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?
That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.
Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?
Razer's previous generation of mice apart from abyssus and deathadder 3.5g were all twin eye (lachesis, tron, mamba, naga, imperator). While it's not plagued by acceleration I wouldn't be too quick to grab it as the sensor suffers from a z-axis error where each lift will place the cursor down diagonally to the right each time. So if you don't lift a mouse fine but I found it too annoying.
Afaik the Abyssys and DA 3.5G are a generation older than the mice you listed, along with the original Lachesis. Although the Lachesis got a refresh where it got the new scroll wheel, multicolour LEDs and the 5600dpi PTE.Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.
Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?
That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.
Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?
Razer's previous generation of mice apart from abyssus and deathadder 3.5g were all twin eye (lachesis, tron, mamba, naga, imperator). While it's not plagued by acceleration I wouldn't be too quick to grab it as the sensor suffers from a z-axis error where each lift will place the cursor down diagonally to the right each time. So if you don't lift a mouse fine but I found it too annoying.
Also, to fuzzybazzy; I use a lot of mice with with sensors similar to the Sensei(Avago 9500-9800 series), including the Sensei, and the hardware acceleration has never been an issue for me. Even in precision FPS like Counter-Strike.
I have the non-MLG edition, no restart issues so far, it's been brilliant.
vun: Gotcha. Thanks for LMK.I'd suggest you see if you can grab a Lachesis now if you want one, the newest version seems to be on the way out of stores atm, at least here in Norway.
I honestly tried a bunch of other mice that used the Avago Laser sensors, too, like the G9x, and the Logitech G700, and I never had a problem with acceleration, either. I also know a lot of high level Starcraft 2 pros use mice using the same sensors, too - for instance, I know Taeja uses the G9x, and both MVP and MC use the Sensei. Then again, these are RTS games, so maybe it might be different with FPS's.
Regardless, I just thought I'd ask for more opinions. =P Thanks again for letting me know.
Also, I miss the Lachesis A LOT. I know the Taipan tries to follow a similar form factor, but the Lachesis was just... it was something different than all the other mice out there. Something about its shape made me want to whoop ass in games. Definitely one of the mice I most regret returning.
Wow... so I just got my Steel Series Sensei MLG edition, and I like it, a lot. In terms of ergonomics, I have to honestly say it's pretty much perfect. It's exactly what I was looking for. It lets me have a nice, comfortable claw-grip, yet it still has a (relatively) narrower body, compared to something, let's say, a Deathadder and/or G9x.
It certainly has a shape similar to the WMO, but all the criticisms I had of the WMO are actually all gone. It's the perfect mouse for claw-gripping.
I can't speak for the sensor, though. I just haven't had enough time with the mouse, nor do I have enough gaming expertise and/or experience to really know if the mouse has acceleration issues. Meh. So far, I've had no problems. I think it's a keeper!
how can there be so many replies when the only correct answer is g400
Or jeez, maybe I'll actually keep the Sensei. I can't make my mind!!!
g400
g400
no onboard memory :(
g400
no onboard memory :(
g400 anyway
Wait... people call you a Razer fanboy at LAN parties? For using a DeathAdder? The mouse that was for years quite literally the best of the best?
Noobs.
Yes, its always nice to have a choice!
The RAT7 is one I wanna get as well, out of curiosity, but its low on my priority list...
Also wanna try the DeathAdder Black Edition (brings up a lot Q3 Arena memory from back then).
So, finally I got the DeathAdder Black Edition, and now I remember why I liked it that much, K/D climbing like whoa... ^__^
Granted, it sucks that you have to create a account to even install the driver, but this mouse is imo worth the additional hassle!
So, finally I got the DeathAdder Black Edition, and now I remember why I liked it that much, K/D climbing like whoa... ^__^
Granted, it sucks that you have to create a account to even install the driver, but this mouse is imo worth the additional hassle!
Are you using the "legacy" drivers or Synapse? I had complaints about Synapse and went to a Sensei, but couldn't get used to it. Running the legacy drivers and getting rid of that Synapse crap (probably McRip effect but whatever...) is the closest nostalgic feeling to my old DA, and I'm quite content.
Call me kooky, but I use Synapse 2.0 without a problem *shrug*
...I like having some onboard memory on my mice, so that I can take them from one computer to the next without having to constantly install synapse.This^
It's almost like having DRM for your mouse.It is having DRM for your mouse.
Call me kooky, but I use Synapse 2.0 without a problem *shrug*There's no practical issue with Synapse, maybe apart from excessive RAM usage, as I've said several times before the problem people are having is one of principle.
I don't understand the DRM argument (although I definitely agree about the on-board memory), I've used all my Synapse 2.0 mice fine without it installed. It's essentially just cloud-sync.Yeah, good luck configuring the mouse without Synapse. If you get the newest Naga you'll need synapse to get some actual use from it. Not so much with the other mice, you could probably use those driverless fairly ok.
Yeah, good luck configuring the mouse without Synapse. If you get the newest Naga you'll need synapse to get some actual use from it. Not so much with the other mice, you could probably use those driverless fairly ok.
I haven't done much testing on this myself, but it seems that an online connection is only required for when you install Synapse and never after that. Like you say; not much of a problem in practice, but it's completely unnecessary and a step in the wrong direction. Actually, considering how they use it to justify pulling onboard memory it is not only a step in the wrong direction, it's a leap.
Razer Boomslang CE 2007
Unfortunately, I love this mouse and it is by far my favorite. Why do I say unfortunately? Because it was a limited production of 10,000 units, and are next to impossible to find now. When they are found, they are either damaged or very expensive.
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.
How is optical superior?
No hardware accel and they can track at higher speeds, and they seem to be cheaper than laser as well.I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.
How is optical superior?
No hardware accel and they can track at higher speeds, and they seem to be cheaper than laser as well.I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.
How is optical superior?
Also, Abacus1234, there is a laser sensor with no accel; the Philips Twin Eye sensor is completely accel-free, although it has it's own share of issues.
G9x hands down. Should buy a new one again, mine is beaten up. Using a Feenix Nascita atm.
Used it without grip for months, pretty good. Thats an insanely good price! Whoa, shame its in US though. Don't think its worth it for me.G9x hands down. Should buy a new one again, mine is beaten up. Using a Feenix Nascita atm.
I found them on sale if you don't mind the logo. Of course you could always use your old grips.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42520.msg857234#msg857234
I think i'm going to switch to the g400 while they're still around.
Interesting how there's several Intellimouse Opticals on the first page then nothing.
Relax the G400 series will be around for a long time yet. They (logitech) will be releasing an updated version soon, which looks like only a change of Graphics that I've noticed, on the rodent itself.
But the mechanicals should still be the same. Unless someone knows exactly what new sensor is attached to the G400?
It's already released (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838) and available (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369024052&sr=8-1&keywords=G400s).
AFAIK it's an upgraded sensor, but not sure how. I know the G500 went from 5700 dpi to 8200 dpi, not sure what the G400 -> G400s is gonna be.
It's already released (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838) and available (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369024052&sr=8-1&keywords=G400s).
AFAIK it's an upgraded sensor, but not sure how. I know the G500 went from 5700 dpi to 8200 dpi, not sure what the G400 -> G400s is gonna be.
If they made it laser they're going to have people storming their offices with torches and pitchforks.
I just ordered myself a g400 from amazon. I see the g500 is getting a lot of love around here, I hope I didn't make the wrong selection!
Love my Logitech Anywhere mouse :D.I'm with you.
I was wondering why an optical sensor is preferred over a laser? is that just for gaming? the g500 and now the g500s has suited me fine for non gaming usage or so I think. am I missing anything?
I just ordered myself a g400 from amazon. I see the g500 is getting a lot of love around here, I hope I didn't make the wrong selection!
I was wondering why an optical sensor is preferred over a laser? is that just for gaming? the g500 and now the g500s has suited me fine for non gaming usage or so I think. am I missing anything?
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)
it is strange that the top of the line mice from every gaming company is laser. right now the 9800. I have no clue what that is about. I like the shape of the g500/s but I guess that is all that matters in my case since I am not gaming. I hear it is a piece of junk for gamers though. who will buy the ouroboros for $160 when the deathadder is better.....
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)
A "clan" mate of mine uses the M60. If you are satisfied with the spawn, why would you replace it? (generally for me it is hard to find mice I like, hence I stick with the same one for as long as possible). The sensor in the spawn (ADNS 3090 I think) is generally regarded as superior to the one Corsair uses in their mice. So i am not sure why you would pay twice as much. Corsair also has a history of driver issues for their gaming peripherals, though those may be resolved by now.
But then again, a lot of what makes a good mouse is how the shape fits your hand. If you think the M65 would be perfect for you then maybe you should give it a try.
since I don't game I would really like the ouroboros. also as a collector. I see them on ebay, is that bs?I would be very careful with ebay and mice, there are loads of Razer fakes around, if it's too good to be true it probably is. The Orouboros is pricey, but with Razer I would always recommend buying from a trusted source. If you want to make sure you get a real one from eBay you're probably going to have to pay as much as from a better source anyways, the moment the eBay price is significantly lower is when you've gotta start worrying about fakes.
What's the story with the Ouroboros? Wasn't it released very recently? Did Razer just all of a sudden decide to stop production of it? If so, why?Production isn't stopped, at least not afaik as it's still available here in Norway.
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)
A "clan" mate of mine uses the M60. If you are satisfied with the spawn, why would you replace it? (generally for me it is hard to find mice I like, hence I stick with the same one for as long as possible). The sensor in the spawn (ADNS 3090 I think) is generally regarded as superior to the one Corsair uses in their mice. So i am not sure why you would pay twice as much. Corsair also has a history of driver issues for their gaming peripherals, though those may be resolved by now.
But then again, a lot of what makes a good mouse is how the shape fits your hand. If you think the M65 would be perfect for you then maybe you should give it a try.
Didn't know about the inferior sensor. Hmm, I just wanted to try something new.
My current CM Spawn is showing its age, nasty peals everywhere because I've had it since it first released.
I also tried the Zowie AM , bu thought it was too narrow for me. I still have it for sale if anyone is interested.
Wow. You'd think in 2013 Windows would have it's **** together and be able to resolve that without hosing the system.
So the CM spawn is really highly recommended for people with a fingertip or clawgrips, The Xornet is the follow up right? Its on sale on my local store, so I might pick one up if Its any good.The Xornet seems to be a budget version of the Spawn, as from what I've heard the Spawn is still available in the US so it doesn't seem to be the successor. The Spawn has better internals, but there's nothing really wrong with the Xornet either, and at that price it's a fantastic mouse. I picked one up recently and it's been great. Feels very solid and works flawlessly, despite being one of the cheapest gaming mice on the market.
Well whaddya know, a mouse chart that has some sense to it. Still, I feel that all those mouse charts are far too arrogant and are only relevant for those looking to play competitive FPS.
I love Grim's Visual Chart of "God-Like" mice and the "S--t Tier" basically what I own.
Good the latest G400S seems to be worshiped as great because I will be buying one to check it out.
This is just a simple question to owners of the Zowie FK, can you set Audio-Volume adjust to the 2 side buttons on that mouse?
I found the Mionix mice useless as they do not allow volume control on their rodents (thus their S--t Tier category).
I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier" because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.
I know you said you hate extra software but what I use is the belkin power mate to control volumeI think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier" because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.
Damn, I suspect the most easily usable rodent's still belong to the Logitech Camp. I know with the G400 and G500 you setup with their software what buttons to map once and it's done permanently.
So I go onto another PC with that same rodent and the side buttons control the Audio every time. Something Logitech has excelled at when it comes to making their mice work anyway you like. I've always used them since they have always worked, I may be the luckiest one here with that experience.
Since when you use Model-M's and old Cherries there are no volume controls and I hate having extra software running in the background of the OS, every time I need to actuate an audio function.
I love Grim's Visual Chart of "God-Like" mice and the "S--t Tier" basically what I own.
Good the latest G400S seems to be worshiped as great because I will be buying one to check it out.
This is just a simple question to owners of the Zowie FK, can you set Audio-Volume adjust to the 2 side buttons on that mouse?
I found the Mionix mice useless as they do not allow volume control on their rodents (thus their S--t Tier category).
I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier" because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.
Therefore, unless you have some third party software that can map Mouse4 and Mouse5 to adjust audio it wont be possible. This mouse is really geared towards basic ingame functionality. If you are looking for anything besides that there are other, better options for you. The Corsair mice for example, while I do not like the way their software is designed, you can set that M95 up to order sandwiches for you if you'd like. For anything other than sensor reliability, dismiss that chart immediately. If you play wow, you might enjoy the Razer Naga more than any of the mice on the top of that list, just because of the buttons available. Even though it uses the Phillips Twin Eye sensor.
Though I do love and recommend the Zowie FK if the shape works for you.
The built-in hardware acceleration of the laser mice is an overblown "problem", IMO. A huge number of professional Starcraft 2 players use the laser mice in the "****" tier, such as the Sensei, and the G9.
In fact, in the WCS EU Finals, just a couple of days ago, I spotted MVP and Stephano using the G9x, and the Razer Taipan, respectively. And these are perhaps, in particular MVP, some of the best professional Starcraft 2 players playing today.
Then again, these are RTS games. Maybe it's a much bigger problem with FPS games, but I highly, highly doubt it.
The built-in hardware acceleration of the laser mice is an overblown "problem", IMO. A huge number of professional Starcraft 2 players use the laser mice in the "****" tier, such as the Sensei, and the G9.
In fact, in the WCS EU Finals, just a couple of days ago, I spotted MVP and Stephano using the G9x, and the Razer Taipan, respectively. And these are perhaps, in particular MVP, some of the best professional Starcraft 2 players playing today.
Then again, these are RTS games. Maybe it's a much bigger problem with FPS games, but I highly, highly doubt it.
autocad and Bryce take a lot of precision to draw. perhaps more than any game. I see no difference between the g500s and g400s. perhaps that is not an apples to apples comparison though. I don't think you can use a tablet in a game.
on another note. I was wondering if there was a high end mini trackball. I have no room for the l-trac and the m570 is a pos.
I would like to see someone trying a capacitor bases wireless gaming mouse, but that won't happen because it isn't mainstream enough.
I know, that's why I wrote gaming mouse. ;)I would like to see someone trying a capacitor bases wireless gaming mouse, but that won't happen because it isn't mainstream enough.
I think Genius has already built such a mouse.
I also don't get two mice with the same sensor and one could not track on the same surface?Firmware?
Firmware?
Unless both are the same model and revision with the same firmware, then you've got a dud. In my collection I have both a Sensei and a Naos 5k, both use the A9500 sensor, and the Naos is way more picky about surfaces than the Sensei. I get a lot of jitter and wonky lift off issues with the Naos, Sensei has given me no trouble whatsoever so far.
I could have sworn I saw a link in this thread to an off-brand mouse, rather large, and at least two finger grooves on the right side. Does that crap description ring a bell for anyone? Can someone point me to the right link?
Kind of a non-standard shaped mouse, IIRC.
I could have sworn I saw a link in this thread to an off-brand mouse, rather large, and at least two finger grooves on the right side. Does that crap description ring a bell for anyone? Can someone point me to the right link?
Kind of a non-standard shaped mouse, IIRC.
Mionix Naos
Logitech G400, but I have limited experience with mice.Cooler Master Storm Xornet, cheap and good......2000dpi is good enough for a 1080P/1200P screen. It has a similar grip style to my G9, which is why I like it a lot......excellent for FPS gaming.....on a budget.
What other mice are there with relatively little frills but is lighter?
FUNNY NOW NOBODY POSTED THESE MICE UP YET...Show Image(http://ukrainianiphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/apple-usb-mouse.jpg)
as a consequence of reading too much william gibson lately, i was on a quest to cyberpunkify my rig. consequently i found this mouse by elecom: the Scope Node Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/Elecom-Wireless-Sensor-3-button-M-sn2dlbk/dp/B007AQC8IO)Show Image(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/-/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)
based on a design by masamune shirow!
as a consequence of reading too much william gibson lately, i was on a quest to cyberpunkify my rig. consequently i found this mouse by elecom: the Scope Node Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/Elecom-Wireless-Sensor-3-button-M-sn2dlbk/dp/B007AQC8IO)Show Image(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/-/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)
based on a design by masamune shirow!
Cyberpunks don't use mice.
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.
(I have way too many mice though).
Tried the DA 2013 and returned it for another DA Black Ed. Didn't like the textured rubber grips on the 2013. Good to have a choice to suit different preferences.Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.
The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.
Unless you have more mice than keyboards. I also have the 2013 DA, I changed the LEDs in my filco to match the razer green. Has anyone else's DA stopped pulsating? The logo on mine now stays constantly lit, which I love.
****, gimme dat. I've been trying to work out how to get that effing logo to stop pulsating. I know, it doesn't matter since it's purely visual, but it would look so much better if it was just always on.
Unless you have more mice than keyboards. I also have the 2013 DA, I changed the LEDs in my filco to match the razer green. Has anyone else's DA stopped pulsating? The logo on mine now stays constantly lit, which I love.
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.
What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.
What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.
What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?
Looking at it, I thought it would be uncomfortable too, but it just isn't. It fits my hand perfectly, and now I can't do without the side thumb and pinky rests. So you hand pretty much never touches the mouse pad. The red "aim" button is positioned perfectly and is actually useful, and the forward and back buttons a VERY easy to use, as your thumb always basically rests over them. Just all round great design.
I'm a Battlefield player, been playing FPS games since I was... I don't know, since Quake. I don't find the mouse to be too heavy, but then again, I like a bit of a hefty mouse. I have all the weights installed in mine, and my DPI is set to 4000. Seems to work perfect for me.
That's true. But out of curiosity, why only use 800 DPI? That just seems way too slow for me.
ANKER VERTICAL MOUSE ;D^this
I love the DeathAdder 2013! Really comfortable since I have pretty big hands hehe
I also love the Mionix Naos 3200 because it feels so good on my giant hands.
I also love the Mionix Naos 3200 because it feels so good on my giant hands.
I also have the Mionix Naos 5000 and 8200 they are unfortunately the MOST glitchy pair of rodents I have ever come across. They hate the surface, they jump all round the desktop plus Windows 8 seems to really dislike them both. They do have updated firmware available but I couldn't be bothered to update them. they now sit in the bottom draw of my desk.
If you can't use a mouse straight out of it's box then it's time to look elsewhere. Besides I still love some of Microsoft's Rodents, very reliable and no glitchiness present even within Win8.
Did you find that the build quality of the 5000 and 8200 was worse than you'd expect? I expected my 5000 to feel better for that price, probably going to end up harvesting it for the microswitches one day.
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.
The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.
The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).
Returning my DA 2013 and looking around again. I realized that it's slightly less comfortable for me as a palm user versus my G5. The other no-no was that the middle mouse button takes too much force to activate. The G5 got around this by having the middle button do left/right movements as well so middle click just became shifting the middle button to the left. I do use the middle mouse button at work (Unix admin) when running multiple X-based shells so it's nice to be able to cut/paste easily. The other thing I ended up realizing I missed was the DPI buttons that the DA is lacking.
Back to the drawing board I suppose. I was looking at the Imperator which seems to be more of a G5 design with all the same features and a hopefully better thumb position. Does Synapse 2 store everything online, no local profiles? I don't really want to have to deal with the cloud for hardware configurations that should be stored locally.
i've had 3x mx 500's, 2x mx 518, and now i'm on a g400. the things keep dying with the same problem every time - the usb connection isn't detected. i think it's a known issue and i'm surprised it hasn't been fixed throughout the series. pretty satisfied overall, but i'm thinking about getting a mouse that better suits my claw grip
i've had 3x mx 500's, 2x mx 518, and now i'm on a g400. the things keep dying with the same problem every time - the usb connection isn't detected. i think it's a known issue and i'm surprised it hasn't been fixed throughout the series. pretty satisfied overall, but i'm thinking about getting a mouse that better suits my claw grip
As am I, although mine is more of a mixed claw/fingertip grip.
Ordered a Zowie FK, can't wait to try it!
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.
Why not stick with the G9x?
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.
Why not stick with the G9x?
Mine started to double click after 2 years. And now it is hard to find one. If I could get one at a good price, I'll probably buy it.
Been using my sensei for about a month now, and I love it. Way better than the deathadder I was using before.
Been using my sensei for about a month now, and I love it. Way better than the deathadder I was using before.
Why exactly? I'm curious because I ended up choosing the deathadder over the sensei because it was cheaper.
some prefer a non-ambidextrous shape, that's pretty much it.
My current mouse is a pre-2013 DeathAdder. If the skin-film wasn't wearing off I would love it. Currently researching what I'll buy next, but so far it's looking like 2013 DA or SS Sensei.
My current mouse is a pre-2013 DeathAdder. If the skin-film wasn't wearing off I would love it. Currently researching what I'll buy next, but so far it's looking like 2013 DA or SS Sensei.
I'm looking at getting a Sensei also. Love my pre 2013 Imperator but I want to try new things.
When I was a kid, we had an old Genius trackball that I really liked. I also have a Logitech Trackman that's stashed away. For gaming, I love the Naga Razer. The extra 12 buttons on the side is a must for Guild Wars 2 esp if you main an engineer lol
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.
Thanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.
The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Thanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.
The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Yeah you're right, it just takes time to adjust i suppose, i will definitely look into it though, Thanks for the recommendationThanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.
The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
If you do graphic design I would highly recommend a graphics tablet.
Also, the shape doesn't matter much outside of gaming; the main reason for suggesting to try the G600 first is that it doesn't lend itself very well to games where you lift the mouse often, since the shape lets you rest your hand on it. If you lift it often then you might risk accidentally pressing buttons on the numpad. Although since it has a good dual-layer feature you could just have all the main layer buttons do nothing and have all your commands on the second layer.
Basically; you're not gonna lose precision in your normal programs. You don't need to place the text correctly in PS before some other guy, you can take your time and make sure everything is the way you want it, the reason people need mouse precision is so they can do precision movements as quick as possible, before the other guy shoots them. There's not that kind of timed pressure in design.
Logitech G5
Logitech G5
I think mine's going on 8 years of use now. Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?
Logitech G5
I think mine's going on 8 years of use now. Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?
I used my Logitech MX518 for 11 years.
Has anyone here on Geekhack bought and/or used the current Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 yet?
Please let us know how it feels or if you could make any comparisons to any previous older mice from them. Very interested in finding out if it's better or worse than their famous Intellimouse Explorer 3.0.
Trying out a Logitech G500s, still not sure what I think. Replacing an old DA; originally was thinking of getting a Steelseries Sensei but don't have it available locally, almost bought a DA 2013 but thought I should try something new.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's not, since people still love and want the 3.0 despite the 6k being available.
Trying out a Logitech G500s, still not sure what I think. Replacing an old DA; originally was thinking of getting a Steelseries Sensei but don't have it available locally, almost bought a DA 2013 but thought I should try something new.
The 500S is a FINE rodent, you'll have no trouble using it at all. The surface finish is way above a DA2013 cheapo spray job, done in the back shed during summer :p .
Even though the 500S has a Laser sensor there is no problems using it in any environment (Gaming or Applications.) I still go back to mine when I encounter something foul like Razer rubbish or Mionix crap. In the end I suspect I will always go back to Logitech the ONLY company making universal mice that just work in any OS.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's not, since people still love and want the 3.0 despite the 6k being available.
Maybe everyone is scared to try one out. After all currently most of the current Microsoft range is designed by tossers thinking bright colours and weird shapes will attract people. It may be so but US here (Geekhack) are not that naive. I might buy one just to try out, because how could they really stuff up a classic that still gets rave reviews, years down the track?
I still like the shape, which is very important for rodents in general.
If anything, the G700s surface was worse than the previously mentioned mice. Also, plenty of manufacturers make mice that work just fine under any OS, what you're talking about is software, which very few mice require for basic functionality.
Considering the dedicated following the 3.0 has and how much many would like a rebirth, I'm pretty sure we'd know if the 6k was a worthy successor. Although it might be a good replacement for you, personally, depending on your requirements, but generally I'm gonna say it's not.
I'm looking at the Corsair M65. And the Gigabyte Krypton. Having a hard time deciding.
The "sniper" button on the M65 has me weary. leaning towards the krypton although I dislike the branding.
I'm looking at the Corsair M65. And the Gigabyte Krypton. Having a hard time deciding.
The "sniper" button on the M65 has me weary. leaning towards the krypton although I dislike the branding.
I have an M60, it's a really well built mouse and comfortable. I never really use the sniper button, but I can see how it may be useful. A lot of people complain about the software, I never installed it though. Not sure how that has changed with the M65
One thing thus far that hasn't been mentioned yet what about the Scroll Wheel, which rodent has the better scroll wheel action?
The surprising thing with my collection is that so far, the Mionix Naos 5000 has the absolute BEST action scroll wheel. Silent yet firm action when used. The DA2013 has the usual scroll one way it's tolerable but scroll up and the blighter makes noise. To me that's cheap rubbish. I want both ways to be equally quiet not just one way, but maybe the idiots at Razer thought that was a design necessity, who knows?
Yep, so which of the people here have a scroll wheel that they love so much they bought the mouse to use it........ ?
I think mine's going on 8 years of use now. Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?
Don't remember when I last posted in this thread, but anyways...
Kensington Expert Mouse. Big ole trackball.
Trackballs ftw
I am quite interested in this as I am currently searching for and trying out different scroll designs for use in my mouse project. More input like this would be helpful. I am going to visit a larger store which has a few mice on display to test and try out the scroll mechanisms but I doubt I am allowed to disassemble them or make any further investigations.
Logitech MX500 since roughly the time of launch. What would that be, early 2002 or something?
Anyone used or tried the Zowie FK before ?
I might wanna get that. Currently using a SS Sensei Non-Raw
Anyone used or tried the Zowie FK before ?
I might wanna get that. Currently using a SS Sensei Non-Raw
I did, just sold it.
Awesome mouse but too low and narrow for my liking :(
Can't forget the trusty ol' Trackpoint L40! Best $5 mouse I ever bought.
Apparently it's the exact replicate of a sensei except slighly thinner.
Hmm, there's no brick and mortar shop around here for me to test it. :(
Might just try my luck with it and hopefully I'll like it.
Thanks anyways
:p
It's a basically large style mouse compared to everything else out there but the quality of the mouse is something else. Very easy to move around on my mouse pad but the thing that bothers me are the stupid-ass vegas lights - which is worse than a DA2013. I don't like the lights blinking on and off in a pulse like transition. Of course it's perfect at night when you can see it clearly if there is no extra lighting besides the monitor and that mouse.
Logitech MX500 since roughly the time of launch. What would that be, early 2002 or something?I had an MX500 but eventually the side black plastic/rubber housing started to become chewable as my dog decided it tasted that good it had to munch on it. It was my favourite rodent at the time but unfortunately they don't sell them any more - even on Ebay.
1)WMO 1.1 Bluemouse
2)g400
Debating to get Zowie AM or FK :rolleyes:
The scroll wheel is sublime, so silent yet a nice faint notch-like feeling as you work the beggar up or down in any situation. Again I pressed the scroll wheel down so hard my nail changed colour from flesh tone to bright white for 3 minutes yet nothing snapped. Means this baby is a keeper. Every mouse I buy I give it the full thumb treatment grip to see if the scroll wheel will snap off or the switch breaks, but it hadn't even missed a beat.
If you ever have to open it up to fix something, please let me know.
You won't believe it but just now a second delivery van came by and dropped off my Zowie EC1 eVo rodent......yeah :thumb: .
Just broke it out of the White and Black packaging and it looks almost exactly like an official Microsoft Optical IE 3.0. But this latest Zowie mouse has come in a totally white colour, mimicking a microsoft rodent (that's why I chose it).
In fact the surface treatment of the plastic is exactly like Microsoft's older mice with a shiny coating that sticks to your fingers. In fact the more you sweat the stickier the mouse becomes, go figure. The only downside is the scroller which passed my thumb grip but is extremely noisy as you scroll up and down compared to the ROCCAT version.
But kudos to Zowie in trying their best to beat an IE 3.0 it might not be perfect but it will definitely beat down your enemies in any game. PS. I like the button underneath the mouse that has 3 selections of pointer speed (red)450, (purple)1150 and (blue)2300 dpi. The simplest mouse to configure - before you use it in any game though.
Love them Zowies. EC1 eVo (mine is black) is my current favourite while I await my CLs. Got it from the recommended retailer in Malaysia but apparently it got caught in the customs there :(
Sounds like you will like the new scroll wheel, which is supposed to be lighter ;)
Never liked the glossy coating on the EC, it gets very grippy but just feels dirty/uncomfortable, that's why I prefer rubber coating.
I just feels sticky instead of grippy if that does make sense.
Not a hygiene issue because having freshly washed hands doesn't make a difference for me. ;)
I just feels sticky instead of grippy if that does make sense.
Thermaltake Volos in White (http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.Umx40vmko9k)Oh wow, that might be the funkiest ugly mouse I've seen. With the xbox buttons you'd think it'd have xinput support out of the box, although I very much doubt that, but that'd be a neat feature.Show Image(http://www.ttesports.com/files/FCKeditor/image/Products/Feature/volos_W.jpg)
I've been looking for a new mouse for like a year now... My trusty Logitech MX-518 has been great, I just hate the shape along the right side. Anyway, I've gone through many candidates and have done a lot of research, but then I stumbled upon this one today, and I think this will be the one. When it's finally released in the U.S.
(Otherwise my top contenders were Kone Pure Color or Steelseries Sensei--until now).
I have just received a Kensington Slimblade trackball. I have arthritic aggravated rsi and the trackball is a marked increase in comfort I haven't experienced since I traded my old generic non mechanical and laptop keyboards for the Kinesis contoured. However, I also have a trackpad accessible on my left hand side so I can scroll with my right fingers and actuate with the left. Working surprisingly well that now considering adding the mouse buttons to the actual keyboard surface.
I've always thought about using a trackball for work but the change scares me. Is it hard to get used to if I am a really heavy mouse user?
I've always thought about using a trackball for work but the change scares me. Is it hard to get used to if I am a really heavy mouse user?
It took me under half an hour to get comfortable with it. Having said that I repeat that I am doing some of the mouse events (right clicking) on the a separate trackpad as per attached depending on what I'm doing and what feels most comfortable.
Accuracy wise it's up there but I doubt one can ever match the speed and dexterity of a mouse. My objective however remains to minimise stress on hands.
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That's the main reason I am considering a trackball too.
I want to try it, but the Slimblade goes for about $100 on Amazon, which is kind of steep for an experiment/trial. Do you have any cheaper recommendation?
Yeah, that could be acquired taste for some. But it fits certain criteria I have, so it works for me. :thumb:
The Razer Naga really is beyond hideous. I own a Lachesis Refresh but at least that one looks nice.
RAT 7 is still my favorite though, in terms of looks and sheer comfort.
Just recently learned that "Enhance Pointer Precision" option in Windows is actually a setting that introduces acceleration. It's always been on by default, and I didn't give it much thought. Learning to use my mouse without it now--feels so strange :( Hopefully it won't take long to adjust.You don't have to work/play without accel, a lot of people think all accel is bad due to all the talk about sensors with accel and stuff, but the problem isn't the acceleration itself, the problem is when you can't control it or disable it if you want.
When I tried drawing spirals in Paint as a test, they were a lot more accurate and fluid when acceleration was off than with the "enhance pointer precision" being turned on. So I figured that was a good indicator. But it's definitely more difficult to focus on tabs and links to click, as I keep moving just past them. I don't think there's any specific software for this, as my mouse is pretty old (MX518).
I actually had it set to second-to-highest DPI setting from the beginning but with Windows acceleration on and sensitivity slider right in the middle (6/11). Now without acceleration, I had to bump up to the highest DPI to stay at the 6/11 sensitivity setting. Still feels weird, but it's slowly growing on me.
I'm not seeing it in MS paint, drawing straight lines and spirals. Maybe very slight angle-snapping. I never installed any logitech software, however, just plug-and-play.
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Logitech M510 Fits in my hand perfect and works flawlessly. But Id like something just a tad longer.
Logitech M510 Fits in my hand perfect and works flawlessly. But Id like something just a tad longer.
That's what she said.
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That's what she said.
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Actually, despite all their other flaws, twin-eye sensors don't have acceleration.
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Actually, despite all their other flaws, twin-eye sensors don't have acceleration.
If I'm understanding things correctly, though, the dual sensor system Razer uses for their Taipan doesn't actually use the PTE, and instead uses one of the Avago 8200 DPI laser sensors. Hence, my comparison with other mice that use the Avago laser sensor, and the comments about acceleration.
Nope. I think you have the two things confused. The dual sensor system used in the Taipan is completely, 100% different than the PTE, which is the Philips Twin-Eye sensor. The laser sensor used in the Taipan is from Avago. I think you may think they are the same because of the "dual" in their monikers, but they are different. Check the link I posted above (http://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/razer-taipan-ambidextrous-gaming-mouse-review/11658/3/), and here: http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:Mice_SensorsAh, I just assumed that the PTE combined a normal laser and optical sensor in some weird way, and that what Razer did was just move the sensors around, but a quick read-up on what the PTE actually does did help to clear things up.
Yea... I also do think the pad calibration is unnecessary, and I have certainly seen LOD adjustment features on single sensor mice (Mionix Avior/Sensei)...
But I do think the dual sensor system in the Taipan does help a bit with the smoothness, though. As mentioned in that long post about the Taipan, even though the Taipan uses a variant of the Avago sensor used in other mice, such as the G700s, Sensei MLG Edition, and the Mionix Avior 8200, it is significantly smoother. So I have to assume it's the dual sensor system helping with the smoothness... but, I can't be for sure.
That said, yea, it still inherits the acceleration of all Avago laser sensors, unfortunately.
That's what she said.
Michael?!?!?!
Well, just a couple of days ago the sensor completely died. This was within two weeks of purchasing it. This is the third Taipan I've ran into quality control issues with - yes, I should known better after the last two failures, but I figured the quality control couldn't be THAT bad.
I have more than I care to admit, and the current top choice is:
#3 Scorpion - Zealot jr
I have more than I care to admit, and the current top choice is:
#3 Scorpion - Zealot jr
My cousin has a TEAM Scorpion Zealot Gaming laser mouse and he loves it. Have yet to see it so I can't compare quality to anything made by Logitech or Razer (although no one can make anything worse than what Razer can).
Nice to see a no-name company kicking the big-fat, lazy arses of large corporations when it comes to input products :thumb: .
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series. Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure ;) .
Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
Yeah, I ended up ordering a RAT-3, so soon as it comes in I'll see what all the fuss is about. Just a weird looking rodent that reminds me of a splattered rat, with it's guts hanging out - so neat :thumb: .
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series. Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure ;) .
Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series. Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure ;) .
Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
Subjective at best.
By and large most casual gamers who play call of modern duty at 4000+ DPI don't give a crap that their laser mice have acceleration, but there is a real slim and ever decreasing minority of elite FPS gamers who put up with any level of acceleration. Naturally 5/10% acceleration isn't going to make Cooler lose a duel vs a n00b, but that doesn't mean that it isn't very significant to him or other FPS players.
Regarding shape I agree it is very important, but more important than the sensor quality is just your opinion, and one I don't share. I've used the deathadder for about a year even though i loathe the shape and weight just because the sensor is spectacular. I currently use the Kanav2 which is a very good mix of an awesomely implemented sensor and a good shape. However I still prefer the Sensei shape over it, but wouldn't consider swapping it out for even a second due to the sensor lacking.
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series. Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure ;) .
Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
Subjective at best.
By and large most casual gamers who play call of modern duty at 4000+ DPI don't give a crap that their laser mice have acceleration, but there is a real slim and ever decreasing minority of elite FPS gamers who put up with any level of acceleration. Naturally 5/10% acceleration isn't going to make Cooler lose a duel vs a n00b, but that doesn't mean that it isn't very significant to him or other FPS players.
Regarding shape I agree it is very important, but more important than the sensor quality is just your opinion, and one I don't share. I've used the deathadder for about a year even though i loathe the shape and weight just because the sensor is spectacular. I currently use the Kanav2 which is a very good mix of an awesomely implemented sensor and a good shape. However I still prefer the Sensei shape over it, but wouldn't consider swapping it out for even a second due to the sensor lacking.
I did say it was for the majority of the market; the majority of the market is the casual CoD/BF crowd, those who need a good sensor are competitive FPS players, which isn't really a large portion. Obviously I would recommend a mouse with a good sensor for anyone playing FPS often, but for the majority of the pub players they'll benefit more from just practice and getting good at the game.
And that's just talking about gaming, plenty of people who don't play games use gaming mice simply because they find the shape good or they like some of the features.
So yeah, I never said that sensor is irrelevant for those who take FPS seriously, but for anyone else the slight increase in sensor precision isn't going to do much. Even in FPS you'll most likely need to go above pub level before it really actually matters. Not that it's wrong to want a good mouse with a flawless sensor(or as flawless as sensors get anyway), that's perfectly reasonable, and sensor is always worth considering when picking a new mouse.
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To clarify; I'm very much an old-school FPS fan, I grew up with stuff like CS and Quake, and I'm sad to see them nearly die out, although it is understandable since people are less and less willing to put in the effort to learn a game and actually get good at it, when you can just jump into an easier version of it and feel like a pro right away.
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Side note:
Man I want a Boomslang and a Copperhead, but the Copperhead is near impossible to find and the Boomslangs that are available are all crazy expensive for what they are.
Side note:
Man I want a Boomslang and a Copperhead, but the Copperhead is near impossible to find and the Boomslangs that are available are all crazy expensive for what they are.
Then be prepared to clean (at least twice a week) that rubber ball inside the Boomslang. Which gets to be a pain especially after enjoying all the current rodents who all have fitted led/lazer sensors.
The ONLY good thing about the Boomslang is it's decent size, which all mice should of adopted, plus for an ambidextrous design - it was quite nice :thumb: .
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.
As long as people make informed purchases I don't give a rat's ass about what they actually buy*, that's my philosophy when it comes to most consumer hobbies.
*I don't really care either way since it doesn't affect me much, but if everyone made informed decisions then we'd probably see quite a bit of positive change in the markets.
I think we're just violently agreeing with eachother.
The point I'm trying to make is that I think that everyone will benefit from having a great sensor in their mice. The level of muscle memory that you are able to build with a great mouse is significant, and to me at least it provides a more comfortable gaming experience. When I test a bad mouse, I may not play significantly worse with it, but it is less comfortable. It doesn't feel "right".
I believe that even casuals who get accustomed to a good mouse will feel the same way. Like going from a membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard. You may not type any faster on the mechanical keyboard, but man does it feel great to type on. It makes typing fun, and you can feel the key actuating etc. Shape and ergonomics is a factor of it, and imho so is the cursor behaviour / max speed etc.
Edit: found a thread on overclock.net with all the mice I've owned that I could remember:
MS 1.1
WMO
RX 250 (several of these)
Razer boomslang, original razer ball-mouse. Thing should be in a museum!
Razer copperhead
MX 300 (several of these)
MX310
Logitech G1
Logitech G3
Logitech g9x
Logitech g100
Logitech g100s
Steelseries Xai
Steelseries Sensei Raw
Razer Abyssus
Zowie AM
Zowie Mico
Razer Deathadder (x2)
Razer Krait 2013
Zealot jr
Steelseries Kana V2
heia norge btw :)
Interesting. Yea, I just checked the Steel Series website, and it's not listed there. I just check Amazon, and it's not listed there, either. So I guess it is an out-of-US product, like the Razer Krait 2013. Thanks for the FYI.
That said, viowastaken, you said you liked the shape of the Sensei better than the Kana. Have you felt fatigue with either mouse shape? Because I actually tried a Sensei for a bit, and I found the grip fatiguing, so I'm wondering if I tried the Kana, but it's worse than the Sensei, it might be even more fatiguing than the Sensei (for me, at least).
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).
Iirc the minor sensor problems it may have had got fixed with FW updates. They also released a "no angle snapping" FW for the DA (and Copperhead).Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that fairly problematic? Or were the original problems with the DA not related to the sensor? My memory is a bit fuzzy on the matter.
Iirc the minor sensor problems it may have had got fixed with FW updates. They also released a "no angle snapping" FW for the DA (and Copperhead).Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that fairly problematic? Or were the original problems with the DA not related to the sensor? My memory is a bit fuzzy on the matter.
Max speed was way better with 1800 CPI than with 450/900 CPI, dunno if that ever got fixed.
I don't remember any real problems with the DA besides squeaky wheels.
Fair enough, I just remember seeing a few posts here and there about the early DA being flawed.
Fair enough, I just remember seeing a few posts here and there about the early DA being flawed.
Wouldn't it be something if you had the early DA model and it died on you, instead of throwing it away you transplant the 2013 model's guts - into the older DA's housing?
Maybe it could be done or Razer had stopped it from ever happening but it would save any broken older DA's from landfills at least.
EC1 eVo CLs are here.. Aaaw yeah
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
I can't really get used to any other shape now hahaShow Image(http://mionix.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mionix-Naos-5000-Back-Left.jpg)
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
I can't really get used to any other shape now hahaShow Image(http://mionix.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mionix-Naos-5000-Back-Left.jpg)
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
Yes I've got the weight based system one. It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8. But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).
It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
Yes I've got the weight based system one. It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8. But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).
It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.
Mine works perfectly fine in Windows 8/8.1.
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system
Yes I've got the weight based system one. It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8. But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).
It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.
Mine works perfectly fine in Windows 8/8.1.
What firmware version did you use, V1.15 or V1.32?
By the time this is approved and is operational, AND more companies are using air-delivery, drugs will probably be legalized anyway.
By the time this is approved and is operational, AND more companies are using air-delivery, drugs will probably be legalized anyway.
Damn, where is it that you live by the way - that will enable this heavenly pursuit of "Legalized Drugs"?
My trusty old MX518 started having surface registration issues. It behaves as if I lift it up and move it around, suddenly orienting my field of view in a random direction when in games. I don't notice it much in normal OS applications, but it's quite noticeable in games. I've looked at the sensor opening at the bottom of the mouse where the red light shines and is reflected off the mousing surfaces, and it it was a bit dusty, so I've cleaned it. But the issue's still ongoing. Tried various mousepads and surfaces--no difference. Any ideas if this could be fixed by cleaning something further or why this is happening?
edit: wrong thread :(
Just got in on the Func MS-3 group buy on MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/func-ms-3 (on Func's site (http://www.func.net/en/products/ms-3/))
DISCLAIMER: HAR HAR Avago 9500 blah blah I know
However, for $30 (normally $80 on newegg) I couldn't really pass it up, plus the ergonomics look interesting.
Will probably post a review once it gets in
Just got in on the Func MS-3 group buy on MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/func-ms-3 (on Func's site (http://www.func.net/en/products/ms-3/))
DISCLAIMER: HAR HAR Avago 9500 blah blah I know
However, for $30 (normally $80 on newegg) I couldn't really pass it up, plus the ergonomics look interesting.
Will probably post a review once it gets in
I got into it as well, for the same reason as you. Not sure why, since it's not like I don't have enough mice already, but still, so cheap...
Dude, it's $30. I'd be seriously surprised if for some reason it wasn't worth it. Hell, you could probably turn around and sell it for more than that if you ended up not liking it.Heh, this is Norway, I could probably get away with selling it for double. I do think I'll like it though, as long as they haven't bungled the sensor.
Dude, it's $30. I'd be seriously surprised if for some reason it wasn't worth it. Hell, you could probably turn around and sell it for more than that if you ended up not liking it.
G9X. This is my second one already. I just hope I'll still be able to get one when this one stops working, because they went out of production. This is without a doubt the best mouse ever produced (for claw grip users):
Corsair M60.
- Good for claw
Adjustable DPI buttons
on-the-fly DPI button for sniping
2 extra buttons
Aluminum base
Good sensor
Click wheel is GOD
braided cable
only like 70 bucksShow Image(http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/m60_viewb_lit_11.png)
It is a god tier mouse. I've had it for probably close to two years, and it's still mint.
Corsair M60.I would've loved this mouse, but sadly, it's too small for me. I can still claw it though.More
- Good for claw
Adjustable DPI buttons
on-the-fly DPI button for sniping
2 extra buttons
Aluminum base
Good sensor
Click wheel is GOD
braided cable
only like 70 bucksShow Image(http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/m60_viewb_lit_11.png)
It is a god tier mouse. I've had it for probably close to two years, and it's still mint.
When oh when will Thermaltake release the white Volos model in the U.S. I even sent them an e-mail long ago, which went unanswered :(Is it specifically the white model you're looking for? The black model has been on sale in the UK for a while and I'm sure it could be proxied to you if need be..
http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.UrtnhfRDu7o
It was released at the end of October and was supposed to become available "worldwide". Grumble... My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.
No, it's begging for retirement because it's starting to show its age (6 years now or maybe more). Some issues with the sensor :( I never liked the shape very much either, but kept using it for the nice performance.
Originally, my heart was set on the Deathadder. I've owned like 3 deathadders. However, my deathadder recently broke on me and I tried a Zowie EC2 eVo. I love the mouse. Although I love the deathadder, I think the zowie is my new favorite mouse :D
I feel that way about the Rival. I've had 5 DAs, and up until I got this Rival would've pointed to the latest rev of the DA as the greatest mouse ever made.
I still want to try a Zowie though, I really really like their minimalist approach.
I absolutely love the size of the DA (big hands here), so I think the EC1 would be the right fit for me.
I absolutely love the size of the DA (big hands here), so I think the EC1 would be the right fit for me.
Be sure to get the CL.. Faster, non-squeaky scroll wheel
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.
Mine is 9 years old and still going strong. Some wear here and there but nothing to complain about. Tracks flawlessly still. Such a legend.
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.
Mine is 9 years old and still going strong. Some wear here and there but nothing to complain about. Tracks flawlessly still. Such a legend.
Not quite flawlessly, the MX518 sensor does have angle-snapping/prediction. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, some argue it's an advantage in certain games, but it'd be nice to have the option to disable it.
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.
However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.
Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)
The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.
The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.
So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)
I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.
However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.
Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)
The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.
The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.
So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)
I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.
whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?
Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech (http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech)
Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.
However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.
Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)
The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.
The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.
So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)
I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.
whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?
Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech
Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.
MoreOf course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.
However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.
Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)
The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.
The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.
So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)
I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.
whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech
Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.
This is an original WMO mouse by Microsoft, and there are no "SteelSeries" parts in it.
It's called a SteelSeries MOD because the mouse has been recoated with the words Microsoft and "SteelSeries".
Everything else is the same.
You can buy the feet for IE3 / IO1.1 which will be compatible with this mouse. Both the Tiger Gaming and Hotline Games feet work for this mouse.
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.]
#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.]
#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
why the 400s over say the 500 or the 700? Optical sensor?
Can anyone recommend a good, non-large mouse that doesn't have angle-snapping?
After buying a few mice a couple years ago to try I found the SteelSeries Kinzu was basically perfect except for the angle snapping (arbitrarily slapped on just because it was a cheaper/smaller version of the Xai which allowed control of this).
Currently using an old wired Kensington compact mouse as it does the job but was hoping for a nicer look :cool:
If you like the general shape of the Kinzu, you may want to look into the Kana v2. It is slightly larger than the kinzu but has the same basic shape. It has the Avago 3090 sensor with all its good properties (basically the tracking is great). However, there is one issue with the mouse, and that is the high lift off distance. You can however fix this by using the tape fix. Some people do not mind anyway and even some pros are using it "as is" at the moment, others do.
Another option that feels slightly smaller is the Zowie FK. Same idea really, small ambidextrous mouse with that same kind of shape and a 3090 optical sensor. Though with a super low lift off distance. There are other options, but I can not really recommend anything I have not used.
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.
#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
I've been thinking about breaking open a G400s and installing some extra weights in there. Once I get a new one I'll have to test this out.
I've been thinking about breaking open a G400s and installing some extra weights in there. Once I get a new one I'll have to test this out.
wow............no kidding :thumb:
am looking forward to hearing about your possible mod
i don't have a hammer that small, so will rely on you experts ;D
Does anyone still sell the G400? I want to try it but can't find a source. I have little interest in the G400s as it appears they ruined their perfect sensor.
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.
Love the non-slick coating, but crap sensor :(
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.
Love the non-slick coating, but crap sensor :(
the placement of the weight system seems brilliant though; quite different from the traditional bottom inserts
yeah, i've been reading about it. shame :(
The so-called 'crap sensor' will only effect the hard-core gamer, the rest of us won't even notice it when used every day in a normal fashion.
The so-called 'crap sensor' will only effect the hard-core gamer, the rest of us won't even notice it when used every day in a normal fashion.
I must be an edge case then. I notice the issues with most laser sensors in day-to-day use (I'm not a hard-core gamer by any stretch of the imagination).
Also, OSX is much more sensitive to laser mice issues than Windows is. I've noticed on OSX that optical mice are much much smoother than laser.
Also, OSX is much more sensitive to laser mice issues than Windows is. I've noticed on OSX that optical mice are much much smoother than laser.
OSX has some pretty nasty acceleration built in by default, too (at least the early Snow Leopard version I was using). Had to use a 3rd party app to get rid of it when I was working on it.
Do you think that could be a factor in making the laser sensor faults more obvious?
I notice the acceleration, too. Like most people, I didn't notice it at first, but it wasn't until I switched from the Razer Taipan (Avago laser sensor), to the Deathadder 2013 (optical sensor), and then back to the Razer Taipan, that I noticed it.
True, it did take a lot to notice it, but once I noticed it, it was hard not to, and then moved back to the Deathadder 2013 ever since. I'm now searching for a new optical mouse, since the DA is too big.
OSX has some pretty nasty acceleration built in by default, too (at least the early Snow Leopard version I was using). Had to use a 3rd party app to get rid of it when I was working on it.
Do you think that could be a factor in making the laser sensor faults more obvious?
Sigh... G9x... How I miss you, if anyone has a NIB one. GIVE.
Keep it! Or if you're in need of money sell it, its a wonderful mouse if you ask me.Sigh... G9x... How I miss you, if anyone has a NIB one. GIVE.
I have a barely used one, but I suppose shipping wouldn't be worth it... especially considering I'm afraid I'm slowly getting into some financial trouble, hence s/give/sell.
I'm actually getting rid of my collection. (I was kinda surprised to find out I had at least 12 mouses. Now I know I won't use any but Roccat Pyra and CM Storm Xornet, until they break.)
I notice the acceleration, too. Like most people, I didn't notice it at first, but it wasn't until I switched from the Razer Taipan (Avago laser sensor), to the Deathadder 2013 (optical sensor), and then back to the Razer Taipan, that I noticed it.
True, it did take a lot to notice it, but once I noticed it, it was hard not to, and then moved back to the Deathadder 2013 ever since. I'm now searching for a new optical mouse, since the DA is too big.
You should look into a Zowie FK or AM. I loved my Deathadder but it was too big for me (I use fingertip/claw grip, and the DA is a palm grip mouse), so I switched to a Zowie FK and never looked back. I also prefer the higher tactility of the Zowie. The clicks are just more crisp and responsive.
Really pleased with my Steelseries sensei at the moment.
However I used to use a razer naga back when I properly played MMO's and that one was a beast aswell.
i want to try something new.g9x till you die.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
By far the best mouse i ever used was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse.http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/ (http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/)
Such a beauty. Sadly the last one I used died about 4 months ago and im not willed to open the original packaging of the one I got at home until I find an other one.
By far the best mouse i ever used was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse.http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/ (http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/)
Such a beauty. Sadly the last one I used died about 4 months ago and im not willed to open the original packaging of the one I got at home until I find an other one.
;)
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
Just poking through the mice in my collection; the best alternative to the G9x shape seems to be the RAT7, although you've got quite a few more options since you also like the DA. For mice that are closer to the DA I'd recommend checking out the SS Rival or the coming CMStorm IME 3.0 clone.
There really isn't a proper replacement for a G9x, the RAT can be adjusted to a shape that's pretty close, but it's also got a PTE sensor and a bunch of parts that can break and whatnot.
I just hope Logitech makes a new G900 or something soon, because atm I don't dare use my G9x in case it dies on me.
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.
For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!
For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.
I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.
All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.
If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.
Hope that helps.
Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Apple-hockey-puck-mouse.jpg)
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.
For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!
For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.
I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.
All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.
If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.
Hope that helps.
i have a deathadder as my daily driver for the past year and some change.
is the g500 similar to the mx518? if so, i wasn't a huge fan of it. well, the size at least. didn't fit the claw/fingertip grip style im used to.
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.
For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!
For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.
I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.
All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.
If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.
Hope that helps.
i have a deathadder as my daily driver for the past year and some change.
is the g500 similar to the mx518? if so, i wasn't a huge fan of it. well, the size at least. didn't fit the claw/fingertip grip style im used to.
The G500 is a big one like the MX518. I definitely wouldn't use it is you claw grip. I would try out the CM Storm Spawn. It's still a little big but the shape allows you to claw grip.
I did like the feel of the spawn. But the DPI settings were not of my liking. And it was a bit lightweight for me.
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
i want to try something new.
my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
Bit interesting since g9x and death adder are somewhat polar opposite mice in terms of size.
I'm guessing you use some sort of hybrid fingertip/claw grip.
You might like the Zowie ec cl 1 or 2. Zowie FK also sounds like a good bet if the ambidextrous shape is more of your style.
You might also like the Roccat Kone Pure Optical.
My favorite mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. You can change the DPI on the fly, the sensor is 8200 DPI, class 1 laser product warning.. funny, with two light strips across the sides (easier to find). The bottom sliding material is amazing, and I feel like I can move the cursor pixel by pixel with ease! (On my 1080P monitor.) The USB cord is wrapped in a highly durable cloth weave. It comes with 4x 5 gram weights to change the density of the mouse. (I tried the weights, and it felt really heavy, so I put them back in the case.) On the con sides;
-It costs too much. (~$80 on amazon)
-I think it should be lighter?
My favorite mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. You can change the DPI on the fly, the sensor is 8200 DPI, class 1 laser product warning.. funny, with two light strips across the sides (easier to find). The bottom sliding material is amazing, and I feel like I can move the cursor pixel by pixel with ease! (On my 1080P monitor.) The USB cord is wrapped in a highly durable cloth weave. It comes with 4x 5 gram weights to change the density of the mouse. (I tried the weights, and it felt really heavy, so I put them back in the case.) On the con sides;
-It costs too much. (~$80 on amazon)
-I think it should be lighter?
I think another con is that it's not an optical sensor although this is somewhat a matter of preference.
im going to give the rival a try
I'm still rocking a Logitech but recently upgraded from the G700 to the G700s.
Not sure if its a huge difference other than its new and I'm loving this 8200 DPI. :thumb:
I'm still rocking a Logitech but recently upgraded from the G700 to the G700s.
Not sure if its a huge difference other than its new and I'm loving this 8200 DPI. :thumb:
I got the G700s during Amazon's Cyber Monday sale to replace my dying VX Revolution and I love it for general and gaming use. I usually don't need such DPI for most things, but it has the perfect amount of buttons without looking too busy. Remapping some of them has already started to save me some time.
Why not get one of those MMO mouses with 20-30 buttons on the side :p
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?
Do you guys not like a higher DPI?
Do you guys not like a higher DPI?
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?
That's just because you can have high DPI while having a not accurate sensor (can be due to sensor, to surface...), so high DPI is useless as long as your mouse is not able to be accurate. It's just like shooting a target, the closer you are = the more DPI you have, but if you don't know how to aim, you will miss from any distance^^ I believe DPI to be a marketing argument. But high DPI can also be worst as it uses more USB bandwidth (more data must be sent by the mouse), in some case this can reduce mouse position refreshing rate, don't forget systems like Windows are totally asynchronous... (even if your graphic card may be sync).
I personnally never seen any difference in changing DPI on my G9 but changing how much you have to move it for the same cursor movements. I feel high DPI to be very usefull in CAD or publishing software, not so for gaming... and even in CAD you may need 2 mice, one for precision pointing and one for general GUI purpose otherwise your productivity falls down.
Why not get one of those MMO mouses with 20-30 buttons on the side :p
Those are ugly, don't look comfortable and are not wireless :D
But they were considered.
I don't trust wireless technology, and mainly for input devices, it can be critical if you use it at work (wireless keyboards) and frustrating in gaming... we are surrounded by radio waves nowdays, mainly in towns, and lots of them use the same frequencies, if you could have an E/M camera you would be surprised to see what's your PC's emitting^^
forgot to mention security holes with wireless keyboards, very easy to spy, one of the best way to get hacked.
I don't trust wireless technology, and mainly for input devices, it can be critical if you use it at work (wireless keyboards) and frustrating in gaming... we are surrounded by radio waves nowdays, mainly in towns, and lots of them use the same frequencies, if you could have an E/M camera you would be surprised to see what's your PC's emitting^^
forgot to mention security holes with wireless keyboards, very easy to spy, one of the best way to get hacked.
What in the world is an "electromagnetic" camera? "Normal" cameras that detect light (electrons hitting CCDs and such) are also "electromagnetic"... Do you mean those that operate in radio spectrum or infrared for temperature or similar? Of course computers emit electric and magnetic fields--any devices where current flows emit magnetic fields, and it's all an endless interfering chain. Maybe you should move to the Moon. But then you'd still be subject to the Solar Wind :)
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
Not be rude here but don't they both look like SteelSeries Rival's from that view point?
They're all MS 3.0 clones, but the Steelseries Rival is far more focused on Palm than this one.
The good thing is that both have less weight than my old Deathadder 3.5G, although they do use the same switches and scroll...
They're all MS 3.0 clones, but the Steelseries Rival is far more focused on Palm than this one.
The good thing is that both have less weight than my old Deathadder 3.5G, although they do use the same switches and scroll...
You can't have too many IE 3.0 clones, I say bring 'em on :thumb: . The finest ergonomics created by Microsoft (by mistake I guess) that now is a lasting legacy for any future mice created today or tomorrow.
I find the ergonomy really nice and I know there are people who do love these MS 3.0 clones VERY VERY much.
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips ;D
Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips ;D
Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve
But not far behinde is my mx518 that i hade for 5years now.
Logitech G9x
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips ;D
Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve
:P is that your video?
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)
Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips ;D
Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve
What's your initial impression of this new CM lineup vs the other IME inspired mouse like the DA, Rival, Zowie EC?
Logitech G9x
I like mine light. I even took out the little cap for where you put the weights in :)
My mouse3 isn't stiff at all, but otherwise I'm right there with you on the G9x. The shape is unique and perfect for my hybrid grip/hand size, so it was very hard to find a satisfying replacement.
Finally discovered the Zowie EC2 evo CL and I'm in love. Perfect grip, buttons, wheel, sensor, and just enough heft. My aim instantly improved moving from the G9x; no awkward adjustment period at all.
I do miss side scroll and free-scroll a bit, macros were a nice option, and on the fly DPI adjustment was convenient, but eh...no biggie. The virtues of the EC2 are the stuff that truly matter.
Sorry guys, I know you love your mice, but if you're using it for FPS gaming, Zowie is king.
The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):Show Image(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)
Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(
The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):Show Image(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)
Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(
Do you think using one switch (from either 2 front switches) from the original WMO, would work with a G9x?
Now, it uses SMT Type switches, but god only knows what brand/model and what I might buy to fix it. It's similar to the switch used on the middle button of the MS WMO and several other MS mice such as the Wireless 5000 (on the picture below), but it's a different model and probably another brand. Who knows if it works... If they do, I could have harvested those from my Corsair M60 DPI buttons.Show Image(http://www.robotroom.com/Inside/Inside-Mouse/Inside-the-Microsoft-Wireless-Mouse-5000.jpg)OMRON has them too:
http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html (http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html)
Now, it uses SMT Type switches, but god only knows what brand/model and what I might buy to fix it. It's similar to the switch used on the middle button of the MS WMO and several other MS mice such as the Wireless 5000 (on the picture below), but it's a different model and probably another brand. Who knows if it works... If they do, I could have harvested those from my Corsair M60 DPI buttons.Show Image(http://www.robotroom.com/Inside/Inside-Mouse/Inside-the-Microsoft-Wireless-Mouse-5000.jpg)OMRON has them too:
http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html (http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html)
If you still have your Corsair mouse why not harvest the switch and solder it onto the G9x and see if it works? Even if it didn't I would grab a cheap WMO off Ebay for $4.95USD and harvest the switch from that one and see if the G9x will work with it. After all you seem the type of guy willing to take apart rodents to see how they tick so why not do the soldering as well?
Shame to throw away a G9x if the middle button dies hence why not try to improvise and see if it works. I suspect Logitech started making mice with dodgey switches to force users to upgrade to the latest model when the time calls for it. The wonderful aspect of designed obsolescence practiced now by everyone out there in the input device brigade.
Kind of weird seeing them doing that when they themselves give a 3 year warranty (which by the way, I find damn good, they have the best RMA world-wide) and end up even giving a newer model or similar to the faulty one on many cases...
It's a risky policy, covering up the internal build quality problems with an extremely efficient RMA system, but it seems to work for them.
Kind of weird seeing them doing that when they themselves give a 3 year warranty (which by the way, I find damn good, they have the best RMA world-wide) and end up even giving a newer model or similar to the faulty one on many cases...
It's a risky policy, covering up the internal build quality problems with an extremely efficient RMA system, but it seems to work for them.
Maybe you're lucky due to living in the US because in Australia (through personal experience) there is no RMA at all on their products because Logitech refuses to honour it here. I think it's because we have a weak government that won't push them into supporting their dodgey gear when it dies.
Still the WORLD's Best RMA service still goes to Corsair because it applies even here in Convict Town.
Nope, I live in Brazil and although they've got no official support team over here, all they ask us for is to prove somehow that the mouse is faulty (and yes, sometimes there are people whose mice isn't faulty and they still activate the RMA just to get a new one, happened with several G700 I've seen, all replaced for the new G700s) and then they ask for pictures/video where you destroy the equipment and its components. But yes, some people even harvest switches and other stuff from what's left of the equipment after getting destroyed.
After that (it doesn't takes over 1 week), they send a new mouse from the United States through UPS with all taxes paid. Sometimes, the whole RMA proccess takes around 2-3 weeks, far less than Cooler Master, Razer, Thermaltake and Corsair (all of which have official support over here).
Still, I didn't knew their support on Australia was bad... :(
I've been reading all of your posts about a Zowie EVO so I'm going to ask for one of those for my bday! If I don't get it then I'll probably buy one!
I've been reading all of your posts about a Zowie EVO so I'm going to ask for one of those for my bday! If I don't get it then I'll probably buy one!
You need to man up. Don't depend on others to buy you 'presents' because that's a feminine character trait. You want something, save up and buy it yourself without relying on others to get stuff for you free of charge.
Life isn't about bludging off other people, it's about making your own way in this world.
It's not about that. It's the fact that I need to make a list for my wife, so I decided a mouse would be a good item.
It's not about that. It's the fact that I need to make a list for my wife, so I decided a mouse would be a good item.
You should be telling your wife how much you love her and just being with her in this life together, is more than anything you can ever hope for. Buying things to engender feelings of love and acceptance is a very hollow one and will pass quicker than water down a pipe.
Just be glad she still accepts you and wants you to touch her each and every day. Not all women are so inclined for you to do that especially after some years pass by.
I know what Dustin means. My wife and I love each other no matter weather we get each other gifts or not. It's just fun to do.
And if Dustin is like me then he is a hard guy to get gifts for. My wife always asks me what I want for a gift when they are being given.
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.
My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.
Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.
No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.
Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?
The naos doesn't seem bigger, just wider, which i guess isn't a bad thing :)I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.
My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.
Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.
No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.
Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?
Mionix Naos 7000? Evoluent Vertical Mouse?
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.
My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.
Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.
No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.
Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?
I'm using a logitech g400 right now and I've got to say, this middle-of-the-road mouse has outperformed many other fancy gaming mice I've owned.
I'm using a logitech g400 right now and I've got to say, this middle-of-the-road mouse has outperformed many other fancy gaming mice I've owned.
I think the revised g400 and g400s is actually one of Logitech's best devices out of their current line up. Its optical and its a good decent size for most people.
[18/02/2014 15:01:37] Carter Salley: people who buy 9800 are people who have ZERO idea about internal components
I'm one of those that seriously hope that Logitech understands the crap they're doing. The Logitech G9x for an instance is an awesome mouse that SHOULD receive a better version. And by better, I don't mean replacing the AVAGO 9500 sensor for an AVAGO 9800, that's some retarded bull**** that many companies are doing, but by doing the following:
- Replacing the entire scroll wheel system for a standard TTC or ALPS scroll encoder with no horizontal buttons.
Why? I know some people like horizontal buttons, but the biggest reason why the sensor was off-centered was actually because of the size of that scroll wheel thing. It's damn huge!
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8515/2u32.jpg
Also, at the same time this could make it possible to fix the problem of the middle button switch, which is an extremely low quality SMT type switch. That switch could be replaced for an TTC White or OTM Red switch. Hell, even Kailh or Zhij switches would be better than what was used before.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7572/tklr.jpg
- Using standard mouse switches for the side buttons
I'm not one to complain when the DPI buttons use some low quality switches, because they're the least used switches on the mouse. But now, when the side buttons use the same switches as they do, things do get more complicated.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/183/iy0t.jpg
These are extremely low quality and cheap membrane switches, their feedback isn't that good and they cannot be replaced for any other switch. Plus, no one makes replacements for these, so, if your side buttons on the Logitech G9x end up failing, you're basically screwed.
- Going Optical
There are plenty of great optical sensors nowadays. The AVAGO 3090, 3095, 3310 and I know Logitech could even come up with a modified version of the 3310 if they wanted to. I could say stuff for half an hour, but I think posting this is just about enough:Quote[18/02/2014 15:01:37] Carter Salley: people who buy 9800 are people who have ZERO idea about internal components[/b]
I haven't used many mice but the G9x is by far one of the most comfortable I've ever used. The sensor isn't really perfect at all but it's certainly nice still
price wasn't an issue for me since I got it for $38 but I completely agree it isn't worth $90 or whatever they're charging now. It's appearance and feel are great, and the DPI buttons on top are very helpful too, but the sensor and internals are just too inadequate to recommend at more than $40I haven't used many mice but the G9x is by far one of the most comfortable I've ever used. The sensor isn't really perfect at all but it's certainly nice still
We're there with that comfort part bro, but there are unfortunately lots of points that could be fixed... There were plenty of people mad when I gave the Logitech G9x a 7/10 on my review of it, but I told them that if it weren't for the ergonomics, I'd give it a 5/10 or less due to the low quality internals and horrible price.
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Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.
12 hour battery life? Who would ever want that?
Sounds ****ing terrible. It's already bad enough they're advertising a wireless mouse as superior.
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Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.
Yes, Logitech has gone all Razer-like with their crappy postings about their input devices. Because there are no real reviewers out there that would take them to task for making such blatant claims about their dodgey products, it becomes the norm and noobs get lured into their marketing hype and start gaping their wallets.
I actually stopped buying their latest gear (except the G400S and G500S) yes I'm an idiot noob :p . Sheet, I don't even know why I posted this, I outted myself into still supporting these lame bastards :'( .
12 hour battery life? Who would ever want that?
Sounds ****ing terrible. It's already bad enough they're advertising a wireless mouse as superior.
Worse than that is the fact that it weights 150 grams with the battery, so, it's extremely heavy. I hated using it since I have fingertip grip...
But anyways, it doesn't lasts more than 2-3 days playing and it uses a Sanyo Eneloop battery (which fortunately is the best rechargeable battery available, you can let it alone for 5 years and it'll still have more than half its charge left, plus it lasts more than 1500 recharges while other cheap rechargeable battery end up dying in between 200-500 recharges).
Anyways, unfortunately when you compare that 12 hours battery with other mice that competes with it (Razer Mamba, Razer Naga Epic, Steelseries Wow, Steelseries Sensei Wireless, A4Tech Bloody R7 and Cyborg R.A.T 9), all of these suffer of the same problems. None last longer than a 4-5 days of use.
The reason for this is because none of these were really planned to be wireless. Most use components that are NOT power-friendly (lol, the AVAGO 9800 sure doesn't seems to be a sensor that requires a low amount of energy nor does the PTE 2032 and 2033), plus other stuff like internal memory and a processor and the most important of all, all of these try to have this "1000 Hz laglesss" policy, which is actually the main cause for the battery to last next to nothing. The higher the refresh rate, the higher battery consume and less delay in the communication there will be. And yes, that's the reason why some of those cheap wireless mice have some delay.
The G602 thankfully had a different approach. They used an optical sensor which doesn't requires much energy, plus the tranmission method was changed and the "gaming refresh rate" has been decreased to 500 Hz, while it can use a 125 Hz refresh rate when you're not playing. Less gaming "gimmicks", but far better as a wireless mouse.(Attachment Link)
Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.
Yes, Logitech has gone all Razer-like with their crappy postings about their input devices. Because there are no real reviewers out there that would take them to task for making such blatant claims about their dodgey products, it becomes the norm and noobs get lured into their marketing hype and start gaping their wallets.
I actually stopped buying their latest gear (except the G400S and G500S) yes I'm an idiot noob :p . Sheet, I don't even know why I posted this, I outted myself into still supporting these lame bastards :'( .
While the Logitech G700s isn't a bad mouse, it's far inferior to the Logitech G602, but they still want to make it "look" superior due to the laser sensor, high DPI value and higher refresh rate... And jesus, the G400/G400s makes it look silly when you truly compare each other.
As somebody who has the G602, the battery life is AWESOME.
Whereas the G602, they figured out what they needed to make a good wireless mouse and bam, success IMO.
One of the best mouse that I've ever used.
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.
Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.
heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.
heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.
If you love the way the WMO fits in your hand then you'll orgasm over the G100S. I'm not a fan over the wmo because it's just too damn small for my right hand but a lot of gamers swear over the wmo as the world's best mouse (don't quote me here).
The G400 shape is the only one I like but there are some other shapes out there worth noting like the current Mionix NAOS 7000 which is to die for but there is still the Zowie EC1's and Roccat Kone Pure Optical are the current BEST mice you can easily buy. I have them all but I still go back to the NAOS 7000 for everyday use, because it's like caressing a super model, without the put downs :thumb: .
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.
Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.
1 ms delay between polling (1000 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 7 ms, 8x Power Consumption>
2 ms delay between polling ( 500 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 6 ms, 4x Power Consumption>
4 ms delay between polling ( 250 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 4 ms, 2x Power Consumption>
8 ms delay between polling ( 125 Hz) <Base Input Lag, Base Power Consumption>
You do the math, what is the best Performance gain to Power Consumption ratio IYO?
For wireless, I can never see 1,000 Hz as a good Option
500 Hz, 250 Hz, and 125 Hz are the best choices IMO.
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.
Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.
1 ms delay between polling (1000 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 7 ms, 8x Power Consumption>
2 ms delay between polling ( 500 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 6 ms, 4x Power Consumption>
4 ms delay between polling ( 250 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 4 ms, 2x Power Consumption>
8 ms delay between polling ( 125 Hz) <Base Input Lag, Base Power Consumption>
You do the math, what is the best Performance gain to Power Consumption ratio IYO?
For wireless, I can never see 1,000 Hz as a good Option
500 Hz, 250 Hz, and 125 Hz are the best choices IMO.
The problem with 1000 hz is that the mice in the market atm can't hold a steady 1000 hz, it fluctuates way more than say, 500 hz would. I was pretty content with 125 until I tried 500, after that there was no coming back to the ****ty 125 hz.
The problem with 1000 hz is that the mice in the market atm can't hold a steady 1000 hz, it fluctuates way more than say, 500 hz would. I was pretty content with 125 until I tried 500, after that there was no coming back to the ****ty 125 hz.
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.
heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.
If you love the way the WMO fits in your hand then you'll orgasm over the G100S. I'm not a fan over the wmo because it's just too damn small for my right hand but a lot of gamers swear over the wmo as the world's best mouse (don't quote me here).
The G400 shape is the only one I like but there are some other shapes out there worth noting like the current Mionix NAOS 7000 which is to die for but there is still the Zowie EC1's and Roccat Kone Pure Optical are the current BEST mice you can easily buy. I have them all but I still go back to the NAOS 7000 for everyday use, because it's like caressing a super model, without the put downs :thumb: .
with pics!
You should write a NAOS 7000 review!
Just tried the Kone Pure Optical...perfect sensor (tape-trick required, though) and decent buttons, but sadly, the texture is slippery and the grip cramps my hand.
Not sure what other options I have since the Kana v2 and g400 don't fit my grip either :/
It's a real pity, I love everything about the Zowie evo EC2 CL, but the bit of jitter really bugs me.
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.
Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.
1 ms delay between polling (1000 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 7 ms, 8x Power Consumption>
2 ms delay between polling ( 500 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 6 ms, 4x Power Consumption>
4 ms delay between polling ( 250 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 4 ms, 2x Power Consumption>
8 ms delay between polling ( 125 Hz) <Base Input Lag, Base Power Consumption>
You do the math, what is the best Performance gain to Power Consumption ratio IYO?
For wireless, I can never see 1,000 Hz as a good Option
500 Hz, 250 Hz, and 125 Hz are the best choices IMO.
The problem with 1000 hz is that the mice in the market atm can't hold a steady 1000 hz, it fluctuates way more than say, 500 hz would. I was pretty content with 125 until I tried 500, after that there was no coming back to the ****ty 125 hz.
That is sad if the mice can't deal with 1000 Hz steady. Do you have any hard evidence that mice fluctuate?
You should write a NAOS 7000 review!
I don't have the expertise as you guys have in presenting detailed investigation of any device, plus embarrassing myself should be kept in print only. I also never take pics of anything, simply because I loath having any personal images uploaded onto the net (due to other circumstances).
Just better to describe via print like in the 56K days which I have grown up with. The younger gens here on this website just don't know what it was like but I miss those days when everything loaded into your Netscape browser almost instantly despite traveling at under 56kbit/s :thumb: .
I'll be honest, I have a ton of mice, but ever since getting the EC1 I haven't had any interest in using another mouse, mainly because the idea of installing or running a mouse driver package seems so pointless.I'm nearly opposite; while I do like simple driverless mice like the Abyssus I prefer to have some decent software to go with the mice, but that's mostly because the ability to rebind keys and have macros is a huge plus in the games I've been playing for quite some time now.
I'll be honest, I have a ton of mice, but ever since getting the EC1 I haven't had any interest in using another mouse, mainly because the idea of installing or running a mouse driver package seems so pointless.
secretely you want her to touch the mouse...
The Kone certainly has a better sensor :(
The Kone certainly has a better sensor :(
When it comes down to it the Kone fell apart on me a bit, it stopped detecting weights, a few of the lights stopped working and sometimes Windows didn't detect it so I had to unplug it and plug it back in again to get it working again. So really the G500S is such a nice change for me because I came from such a broken Kone. Not a fair comparison really.
Sensor wise I believe we are quite far past the point where sensor resolution matters, it's become a numbers game, a bit like contrast ratios on TV's. Just my opinion.
The Kone certainly has a better sensor :(
When it comes down to it the Kone fell apart on me a bit, it stopped detecting weights, a few of the lights stopped working and sometimes Windows didn't detect it so I had to unplug it and plug it back in again to get it working again. So really the G500S is such a nice change for me because I came from such a broken Kone. Not a fair comparison really.
Sensor wise I believe we are quite far past the point where sensor resolution matters, it's become a numbers game, a bit like contrast ratios on TV's. Just my opinion.
He's not talking about the DPI.
He's talking about optical vs laser sensors.
Well, the g400 has a better sensor then ;)
I will have to say M.M.O.7, it feels nice and is customizable with different palm rests, weights etc. Also the laser is really good and works on almost any surface.
logitech g400. i also love my zowie fk, but i guess the difference in switches and materials/coating make the g400 the winner for me.
(currently looking into the steelseries kana v2 as well. looks very promising! just want to make sure it does not need drivers/software to function properly, before i order it..)
I have an mx510 and g400 would be my first choice if I bought a new mouse.
I have an mx510 and g400 would be my first choice if I bought a new mouse.
i'd say that would be a great choice :D
I have an mx510 and g400 would be my first choice if I bought a new mouse.
i'd say that would be a great choice :D
Yup, not many mice thats fits my hand/is comfortable for me.
logitech G600 and SS Kona are both on my desk. Kona is for CS:GO only.
I have an mx510 and g400 would be my first choice if I bought a new mouse.
i'd say that would be a great choice :D
Yup, not many mice thats fits my hand/is comfortable for me.
the mx518 and it's variations' shape feels weird to me, with the ridge where your ring finger is. What always ended up happening for me is my ring finger sticks out further to the right and my pinky is uncomfortably tucked underneath it gripping the right edge. So ambi shape for me :D. But I can see how many would like the mx shape.
Roccat Pure Kone optical
perfect for my medium hands fingertip style grip built quality blow my Deathadder g400s rival and nasicta out of the water
its funny because its actually cheaper
the switches feel perfect and the sensor is flawless the scroll wheel is perfect too never seen this scroll wheel before
i disabled the lights on mine in the options and made the DPI + - buttons raise volume and lower volume with the program i get with it it save up all configuration inside the mouse so i don't need to install drivers everywhere i go its perfect very underrated mouse if you have small or medium hands and you use fingertip grip
i have 17.5 cm size hands
i think its weight around 90g
and i use 800 dpi 6/11
its just feel solid and not shallow like my other mouses
~5 minutes with the EC1 eVo and I'm officially a Zowie fan-boy. This thing is nothing short of spectacular.
Is it weird that I'm not a big Zowie fan since they were ****ish to me when I tried to get them to sponsor a single mouse to an /r/buildapc giveaway? They're a local company and I know their mice don't cost much to make, so it annoyed me when they blew me off when I tried to get them to sponsor a sub of 100k+ subscribers.
Is it weird that I'm not a big Zowie fan since they were ****ish to me when I tried to get them to sponsor a single mouse to an /r/buildapc giveaway? They're a local company and I know their mice don't cost much to make, so it annoyed me when they blew me off when I tried to get them to sponsor a sub of 100k+ subscribers.
i don't really agree on that we should think companies should always just act like that. typically they only do things like that to get people to think they're cool or something. in most cases it makes companies look like something they are (absolutely) not, which is considerate and generous.
some random free givaway is none of their business and in my opinion it's not necessarily a bad thing for a company to decline a request like that.
i could understand if you think it's a cheap move, but they are a company after all :j
~5 minutes with the EC1 eVo and I'm officially a Zowie fan-boy. This thing is nothing short of spectacular.
I wish I knew what's good about Zowie mice, so I can see the light as well. :/
I wish I knew what's good about Zowie mice, so I can see the light as well. :/
G400 definitely ISN'T my favorite
daddy needs a new mouse, zowie or logitech? I have a sensei but the chrome wore off, want something different.What kind of mouse does he need? (size of the hand, how many Buttons, wire/wireless)
G400 definitely ISN'T my favorite
:(
The G400 definitely ISN'T my favorite mouse. Back to the savu I guess.
Damn, I've been using a G9X for 4 years and I really wish there was some way to make middle click softer.I like mine light. I even took out the little cap for where you put the weights in :)
Ditto. It's a really nice shape without its weights and even better without the weight cartridge. Putting weights on it just makes it feel wrong.My mouse3 isn't stiff at all, but otherwise I'm right there with you on the G9x. The shape is unique and perfect for my hybrid grip/hand size, so it was very hard to find a satisfying replacement.
Finally discovered the Zowie EC2 evo CL and I'm in love. Perfect grip, buttons, wheel, sensor, and just enough heft. My aim instantly improved moving from the G9x; no awkward adjustment period at all.
I do miss side scroll and free-scroll a bit, macros were a nice option, and on the fly DPI adjustment was convenient, but eh...no biggie. The virtues of the EC2 are the stuff that truly matter.
Sorry guys, I know you love your mice, but if you're using it for FPS gaming, Zowie is king.
The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):Show Image(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)
Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(
Believe me, I didn't wanted to sell it, and I was even using the horizontal scroll buttons as replacement for the middle button, but in the end, it still annoyed the hell out of me.
Just ordered a ZOWIE EC1 eVo CL. :DShow Image(http://www.zowiegear.dk/images/ZO069-1-p.jpg)
This will look so good with BoW imsto dyesubs with red cyrillic sublegends omg...
I'm in the market for a new mouse, and by reading through this thread, I think the Zowie EC1 just moved to the top of my list. I was also considering the newly released Logitech g502, and the older Zowie FK. I too like the simplicity of the Zowie mice and a lot of the reviews i've gone through really give it high praise for its all around performance.
you should check out the Zowie EC1 eVo then! it's like a better Deathadder that isn't gimmicky at all. :)
My mouse history:
Intellimouse 3 (MULTIPLE; 5+) > Logitech G500 > Logitech G510 > Logitech G518 (current)
Very interested in trying the Deathadder after seeing so much talk about it on here, but I've never really been a fan of Razer products for some reason. They seem very gimmicky.
My mouse history:
Intellimouse 3 (MULTIPLE; 5+) > Logitech G500 > Logitech G510 > Logitech G518 (current)
Very interested in trying the Deathadder after seeing so much talk about it on here, but I've never really been a fan of Razer products for some reason. They seem very gimmicky.
Do you know if there is a review here or somewhere else for the Deathadder?
So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Zowie EC1, is the only difference between the EC1 and EC2 the size of the mouse? The EC1 is slightly larger?
My mouse history:
Intellimouse 3 (MULTIPLE; 5+) > Logitech G500 > Logitech G510 > Logitech G518 (current)
Very interested in trying the Deathadder after seeing so much talk about it on here, but I've never really been a fan of Razer products for some reason. They seem very gimmicky.
Thank you very much.
Do you know if there is a review here or somewhere else for the Deathadder?
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47675.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47675.0)
Mini review there.
Currently using Roccat's Kone XTD which is 100% awesome, but my favourite that I have used is the CM Storm Xornet. Imo, it was pretty much perfect. Cooler Master could easily make a better version of the Xornet and Spawn today, abeit with a noticibly higher price tag.
So I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Zowie EC1, is the only difference between the EC1 and EC2 the size of the mouse? The EC1 is slightly larger?
Yep, Ec1 = palm grip, Ec2 = claw grip.
Anyone with a Corsair M65 have issues with it registering movement when you're not at your computer? I've gotten into a habit of turning my mouse upside down when I go to sleep, because, otherwise, it occasionally wakes up my computer and immediately brightens my room.Not really addressing your issue, but you should try to exchange it for an M45, it has a much better sensor and I believe it weighs less too.
Yeah, that's what I've heard. I love the way the M65 feels in my hand, but the waking issue infuriates me to no end. I have several monitors and they're a few feet from my bed, so when they turn on, I wake up. :mad:Anyone with a Corsair M65 have issues with it registering movement when you're not at your computer? I've gotten into a habit of turning my mouse upside down when I go to sleep, because, otherwise, it occasionally wakes up my computer and immediately brightens my room.Not really addressing your issue, but you should try to exchange it for an M45, it has a much better sensor and I believe it weighs less too.
YoloJust ordered a ZOWIE EC1 eVo CL. :DShow Image(http://www.zowiegear.dk/images/ZO069-1-p.jpg)
This will look so good with BoW imsto dyesubs with red cyrillic sublegends omg...
So much this.
my razer lachesis just randomly stops working in the middle of gaming sometimes...apparently this is an issue with the software but it's sooo annoying. Anyone know a good, consistent mouse with the shape of a Lachesis and without ****ty required software?
my razer lachesis just randomly stops working in the middle of gaming sometimes...apparently this is an issue with the software but it's sooo annoying. Anyone know a good, consistent mouse with the shape of a Lachesis and without ****ty required software?
Yeah, I had that issue with my Lachesis as well. I think what I ended up doing was just not running the software as the Lachesis Refresh has onboard memory for at least one profile. Not sure how it works for the old version.
The problem with replacing it is that it has a very unique shape, I can't really think of a mouse that is a straight up alternative. Maybe the TT Level10M, but then you'll be dealing with even worse software and not very good side buttons.
So if you like the shape of your Lachesis I think the best alternative is to just not run the software for it.
do you just disable it in the startup menu?
my razer lachesis just randomly stops working in the middle of gaming sometimes...apparently this is an issue with the software but it's sooo annoying. Anyone know a good, consistent mouse with the shape of a Lachesis and without ****ty required software?
Yeah, I had that issue with my Lachesis as well. I think what I ended up doing was just not running the software as the Lachesis Refresh has onboard memory for at least one profile. Not sure how it works for the old version.
The problem with replacing it is that it has a very unique shape, I can't really think of a mouse that is a straight up alternative. Maybe the TT Level10M, but then you'll be dealing with even worse software and not very good side buttons.
So if you like the shape of your Lachesis I think the best alternative is to just not run the software for it.
ohhhh, thanks! I was under the impression that you NEED the software for the mouse to even function. do you just disable it in the startup menu?
The logitech g9x is really what i stick with. After switching between a lot of razer mice and also trying steelseries kinzu v2, i felt like i have to try logitech, since many professional gamers use them and since the costumer feedback is good. I fell in love with it and i feel sorry for not buying more so i can have them at home if/when the one that i'm using now breaks or stops working properly. Sigh~
I really wish Logitech would release it again with proper internals (no Logitech scroll BS, that thing is the reason for many of this mouse's problems), TTC switches on the middle and side buttons and AVAGO 3090, 3095 or 3310 sensor.
The sensor on the g502 is supposed to be really good though.
Do explain :PThe sensor on the g502 is supposed to be really good though.
Apparently the rest of the mouse is shoddy as hell though.
Do explain :PThe sensor on the g502 is supposed to be really good though.
Apparently the rest of the mouse is shoddy as hell though.
Do explain :PThe sensor on the g502 is supposed to be really good though.
Apparently the rest of the mouse is shoddy as hell though.
Do explain :PThe sensor on the g502 is supposed to be really good though.
Apparently the rest of the mouse is shoddy as hell though.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56956.msg1311963#msg1311963 for one
PS the scroll wheel is purple, omg perfect!
PS the scroll wheel is purple, omg perfect!
The scroll wheel color denotes the CPI setting of the sensor.
I really wish Logitech would release it again with proper internals (no Logitech scroll BS, that thing is the reason for many of this mouse's problems), TTC switches on the middle and side buttons and AVAGO 3090, 3095 or 3310 sensor.
It would of been appropriate for them to listen to their conservative accountants when it came to re-introducing past mice that had been popular amongst the gaming fraternity, that way it would of been cheaper to simply update the internals only.
BUT no, someone in the so-called 'design' department wanted to introduce something new ' the G502' and we are now here at this point. Maybe down the line they may re-introduce the G9x under another name but for now it looks like it will be ignored.
But like a true idiot fan-boy I went and spent money on a brand new G502 and am liking it more and more. Don't judge me too harshly here........
Anyone have the Func MS-3? I'm pretty curious about that one.
I want to buy the 2014 version with the updated scroll wheel but concerned about the peeling coating problem.
Zowie is not readily available locally where I am (Australia) so it will be a lot of hassle to ship it back.
I've been using the Zowie FK for a week. Love it. I want to buy the 2014 version with the updated scroll wheel but concerned about the peeling coating problem.
Zowie is not readily available locally where I am (Australia) so it will be a lot of hassle to ship it back.
The coating issue has been fixed:
http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=news&p=57
Try to avoid buying from an old batch. I would personally order directly from Zowie if you have to opportunity, just to make sure. I will add this in the guide.
I've been using the Zowie FK for a week. Love it. I want to buy the 2014 version with the updated scroll wheel but concerned about the peeling coating problem.
Zowie is not readily available locally where I am (Australia) so it will be a lot of hassle to ship it back.The coating issue has been fixed:
http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=news&p=57
Try to avoid buying from an old batch. I would personally order directly from Zowie if you have to opportunity, just to make sure. I will add this in the guide.
From here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.msg1322734#msg1322734)
I want to buy the 2014 version with the updated scroll wheel but concerned about the peeling coating problem.
Zowie is not readily available locally where I am (Australia) so it will be a lot of hassle to ship it back.
I'm stuck in Convict Town as well but I buy all my Zowie mice from this place;
http://www.thekoolroom.com/ (http://www.thekoolroom.com/)
The owners of the store a real nice and decent folk. If your FK gets 'Fvcked' just arrange an RMA with them and you'll get another Zowie to play with quickly :thumb: .
I've been using the Zowie FK for a week. Love it. I want to buy the 2014 version with the updated scroll wheel but concerned about the peeling coating problem.
Zowie is not readily available locally where I am (Australia) so it will be a lot of hassle to ship it back.The coating issue has been fixed:
http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=news&p=57
Try to avoid buying from an old batch. I would personally order directly from Zowie if you have to opportunity, just to make sure. I will add this in the guide.
From here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.msg1322734#msg1322734)
Very nice pictures(and mouse ofc)!
This is the thread I was looking for! Sorry for posting the photos in so many spots lol........
My new favorite mouse is... ROCCAT Kone Pure Color, Orange. I never will switch to another mouse again, this thing is brilliant. Fits perfect in my claw/palm hand. The scrollwheel feels amazing. The Orange matches my Ducky perfect. The LED customization on the Cat is so amazing, I love it. I have it as a breathing effect going from off to pink to purple. Very eye catching but not too fast to be very distracting. Love this mouse so much!Show Image(http://i62.tinypic.com/2s128ly.jpg)Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/2lndabb.jpg)
But I've gotta say, I'm in love with the Logitech G602. The sensor is awesome (AVAGO M000, zero jitter, zero compatibility problems with most surfaces, no acceleration...), the battery life is just a-frigging-mazing, less weight and a more fingertip friendly shape than the Logitech G700 which I had (and hated)...
Anyways, Logitech managed to finally create the first good wireless gaming mouse. Congratulations!
Anyone have extra G9X for sale? I miss this mouse so bad :(Sorry man, I just sold both of mine :(
Anyone have extra G9X for sale? I miss this mouse so bad :(Sorry man, I just sold both of mine :(
I wasn't a huge fan of the mouse wheel though. The middle click was too stiff.
Anyone have extra G9X for sale? I miss this mouse so bad :(Sorry man, I just sold both of mine :(
I wasn't a huge fan of the mouse wheel though. The middle click was too stiff.
Same reason why I sold mine. I had a love/hate relationship with it mostly due to that middle button... :-X
The only way it became somehow usable for me was when I configured the horizontal scroll buttons as middle click, but later I got a bad habit due to that.
Anyone have extra G9X for sale? I miss this mouse so bad :(Sorry man, I just sold both of mine :(
I wasn't a huge fan of the mouse wheel though. The middle click was too stiff.
Same reason why I sold mine. I had a love/hate relationship with it mostly due to that middle button... :-X
The only way it became somehow usable for me was when I configured the horizontal scroll buttons as middle click, but later I got a bad habit due to that.
I just rebound the tilt feature to middle mouse click, works really well for me.
Anyone have extra G9X for sale? I miss this mouse so bad :(Sorry man, I just sold both of mine :(
I wasn't a huge fan of the mouse wheel though. The middle click was too stiff.
Same reason why I sold mine. I had a love/hate relationship with it mostly due to that middle button... :-X
The only way it became somehow usable for me was when I configured the horizontal scroll buttons as middle click, but later I got a bad habit due to that.
I just rebound the tilt feature to middle mouse click, works really well for me.
Yeah, but try using another mouse besides the G9x after some time and you'll see the problem that causes :))
I'm really liking my Logitech G502.
I'm really liking my Logitech G502.
I am in that group of 'liking' the latest Logitech creation (when I know I shouldn't) :-[ .
I don't know why but this latest input device is perfect for me, it is quite small yet you can hold it with 2 fingers and it glides perfectly around the mouse pad. Never knew they could devise something that has great control on any web-page and you can set it's dpi way above most mice currently sold everywhere.
Bought another G502 simply as backup because you know something this good, can not last forever..........
I love my Roccat Kone Pure
I love my Roccat Kone Pure
Ditto, I'm not seeing myself finding a better mouse ever.
Favorite of all time? Microsoft Intelliexplorer 3.0 mouse. Never had a mouse better than that since.... To this day, I've still been trying to find a mouse that can top it, maybe I should stop searching and just stick with it?
I love my Roccat Kone Pure
Ditto, I'm not seeing myself finding a better mouse ever.
I'm actually planning to get the blue version. It matches my system perfectly.
I wish Razer would update their Boomslang with ~5k adjustable dpi, an updated modern sensor, a freewheel/lock scroll wheel, adjustable internal weights, on the fly dpi setting button, multiple LED color modes, and at least four hotkey buttons. That would be my dream-mouse. The Boomslang had the absolute perfect design for my hand.
The thing is, those freewheel/lock encoders from Logitech are the reason why the sensors are off-centered on mice such as the G500, G500S, G700, G700S and G9x. That thing uses a huge amount of space internally and honestly, it isn't worth it if you have to move the sensor just for it to fit.
The thing is, those freewheel/lock encoders from Logitech are the reason why the sensors are off-centered on mice such as the G500, G500S, G700, G700S and G9x. That thing uses a huge amount of space internally and honestly, it isn't worth it if you have to move the sensor just for it to fit.
Speak for yourself ONLY here wetto.
The ONLY main reason to buy a Logitech Mouse is to use the 'Freescroll' because it's the perfect viewing mechanism especially on Ebay pages to go on forever.
If it wasn't for 'Free-scroll' I would give up on the internet altogether and go outside and enjoy the environment....... wait on :-[ .
Considering that middle-click scrolling exists I'd say that the hyperscroll isn't worth it if it means displacing the sensor or otherwise making the rest of the mouse worse. At least for a gaming mouse, for an office mouse it doesn't matter and you can put as many hyperscroll encoders as you want in the thing and put the sensor on backwards off to a side and it won't make a difference.
Considering that middle-click scrolling exists I'd say that the hyperscroll isn't worth it if it means displacing the sensor or otherwise making the rest of the mouse worse. At least for a gaming mouse, for an office mouse it doesn't matter and you can put as many hyperscroll encoders as you want in the thing and put the sensor on backwards off to a side and it won't make a difference.
Trust me vun it's not worth using 'middle-click' scrolling. You need the actual finger on the scroll wheel flicking through huge tracts of sales on Ebay plus you can slow down easily or stop it with the actual finger.
You still need that human actuation with a scroll wheel that no software selection can take away from. Currently using a G700S (crappy battery life) but the scroll wheel is perfect in every way. The G502 'knobbily' scroll wheel is somewhat fake in feeling compared to using the older versions on the G500 and G700 mice.
The thing is, those freewheel/lock encoders from Logitech are the reason why the sensors are off-centered on mice such as the G500, G500S, G700, G700S and G9x. That thing uses a huge amount of space internally and honestly, it isn't worth it if you have to move the sensor just for it to fit.
Speak for yourself ONLY here wetto.
The ONLY main reason to buy a Logitech Mouse is to use the 'Freescroll' because it's the perfect viewing mechanism especially on Ebay pages to go on forever.
If it wasn't for 'Free-scroll' I would give up on the internet altogether and go outside and enjoy the environment....... wait on :-[ .
So far IME3.0, works over 7 years.
Disappointed with Zowie, won't fix their manufacturing & design issues.
Disappointed with Zowie, won't fix their manufacturing & my design issues.
Just surprised anyone could go on using the same mouse for over 7 years :o :thumb: .
The Microsoft Mouse is my favorite mouse.Which one? The arc touch? :p
The Microsoft Mouse is my favorite mouse.Which one? The arc touch? :pShow Image(http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/_base_v1/products/arc-touch-mouse/mk_arctouch_large.jpg)
My G9x is my favorite. I hope it never dies.
i would have never have to ever browse for mice regularly trying to find the perfect one.
So far IME3.0, works over 7 years.
Trying to replace it is a nightmare, since I need higher DPI for a higher resolution screen.
Zowie EC1 is too small and with many issues that make it NOT a good replacement for IME3.0. Disappointed with Zowie, won't fix their manufacturing & design issues.
I've had the MX310, G5, Naos 3200, G9x, DA 2013, Naos 8200, G300, G502 and the G402.
My favorite mouse among them is the G502.
My g9 is on its last legs: cord is frayed, both cases worn damn near through, scroll wheel iffy... and I'm scared of change! By FAR my fav mouse I've ever used. Is the 502 really that comparable?
The Microsoft Mouse is my favorite mouse.Which one? The arc touch? :pShow Image(http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/_base_v1/products/arc-touch-mouse/mk_arctouch_large.jpg)
This one.
I have a WMO 1.1 that I use very rarely, love it. I just don't want to break it :))
I swear by the Zowie FK1. Near perfect sensor with no acceleration. Just a great no frills mouse.
WMO.
I just haven't found anything better so far.
I swear by the Zowie FK1. Near perfect sensor with no acceleration. Just a great no frills mouse.
Yes, I've used a Taipan. Its shape is one my favorites (and I've used a lot of mice - FK1, G402, G400s, G700, Deathadder, Mionix Avior, Roccat KPM).
But I don't use one anymore because it uses a laser sensor.
Yes, I've used a Taipan. Its shape is one my favorites (and I've used a lot of mice - FK1, G402, G400s, G700, Deathadder, Mionix Avior, Roccat KPM).
But I don't use one anymore because it uses a laser sensor.
Anybody ever used a Razer Taipan before? It's got decent reviews on amazon, but I don't trust the hivemind.
Edit: basically I'm looking for a blue/white or white/blue mouse because I really don't like this rat 5
Anybody ever used a Razer Taipan before? It's got decent reviews on amazon, but I don't trust the hivemind.
Edit: basically I'm looking for a blue/white or white/blue mouse because I really don't like this rat 5
Like this one I got here?Show Image(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img674/4421/EZFc5B.jpg)
That's a Razer "Cypher" Deathadder replica one of my contacts will start selling soon (Man Leung, from Best Sell Gamer Shop @Aliexpress: http://aliexpress.com/store/803343).
It's a custom modded Razer Deathadder 3.5G (although the 20 "original" Cypher DAs had 3G internals: http://gamingweapons.com/team-serious-gaming-cypher-eswc-08-commemorative-edition-razer-deathadder/).
Yes, I've used a Taipan. Its shape is one my favorites (and I've used a lot of mice - FK1, G402, G400s, G700, Deathadder, Mionix Avior, Roccat KPM).
But I don't use one anymore because it uses a laser sensor.
There's something seriously wrong with Razer's recent peripherals, or at the very least the adhesive they use for the rubber parts. After a while the adhesive becomes liquid and oozes out from under the rubber grips, coating the outer part of the plastic and making it feel all goopy and sticky. Just look at Amazon reviews for the Taipan and Orbweaver to see what I'm talking about.
Until they get that fixed, I won't bother buying another piece of Razer gear.
I heard of that. That's a "common" or at least something that people have complained about for Razer products.Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Personally I think the only razer mice you should stick with are the abysuss and deathadder.
Aside from the whole laser sensor thing the other mice seem to die really quickly.
I heard of that. That's a "common" or at least something that people have complained about for Razer products.Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Personally I think the only razer mice you should stick with are the abysuss and deathadder.
Aside from the whole laser sensor thing the other mice seem to die really quickly.
I heard of that. That's a "common" or at least something that people have complained about for Razer products.Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Personally I think the only razer mice you should stick with are the abysuss and deathadder.
Aside from the whole laser sensor thing the other mice seem to die really quickly.
Haha, that's modern "gaming" build quality for you.
I heard the DA 2013 still had that issue.
Not sure if the Chroma actually fixed that or is actually any different from the 2013 aside from the color leds and different coating.
the1onewolf:that's just bullcrap!i've had 2 razer producrs fail on me just after it was out of warranty.they either need to sell their stuff really cheap or step up their qc.
Wetto:ugh, razer synapse.i downloaded it recently sincr i wanted to program macros for my old bwu.once i saw it required me to register an account i immediately just deleted it
I heard of that. That's a "common" or at least something that people have complained about for Razer products.Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Personally I think the only razer mice you should stick with are the abysuss and deathadder.
Aside from the whole laser sensor thing the other mice seem to die really quickly.
Haha, that's modern "gaming" build quality for you.
I heard the DA 2013 still had that issue.
Not sure if the Chroma actually fixed that or is actually any different from the 2013 aside from the color leds and different coating.
I'm betting on the second... :))
But there's still something far more fearsome and worse than their build quality...Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img910/2877/5eZMYZ.jpg)
Razer Synapse and all the stuff that comes with it (plus the lack of internal memory, at least on my Naga 2014)
Well, my roccat kone + lasted 3 years before the scroll wheel started being squeaky and later on started skipping.so i went with the zowie fk1 now.lets see how it goedthe1onewolf:that's just bullcrap!i've had 2 razer producrs fail on me just after it was out of warranty.they either need to sell their stuff really cheap or step up their qc.
Wetto:ugh, razer synapse.i downloaded it recently sincr i wanted to program macros for my old bwu.once i saw it required me to register an account i immediately just deleted it
Yea, definitely.
I'm not a fan of these devices only lasting 1-2 years now.
It's not just razer though, I think you would have a similar experience with pretty much all of the gaming companies though. It's almost become kind of normal for the devices to only last long enough until a new release.
I hate when they pull the DPI interpolated crap so they can jack the numbers up too.
This marketing and gimmicky game is very annoying especially when it comes at the cost of cheapening out on the internals and making it worse and worse to increase profit margins.I heard of that. That's a "common" or at least something that people have complained about for Razer products.Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Personally I think the only razer mice you should stick with are the abysuss and deathadder.
Aside from the whole laser sensor thing the other mice seem to die really quickly.
Haha, that's modern "gaming" build quality for you.
I heard the DA 2013 still had that issue.
Not sure if the Chroma actually fixed that or is actually any different from the 2013 aside from the color leds and different coating.
I'm betting on the second... :))
But there's still something far more fearsome and worse than their build quality...Show Image(http://imageshack.com/a/img910/2877/5eZMYZ.jpg)
Razer Synapse and all the stuff that comes with it (plus the lack of internal memory, at least on my Naga 2014)
Oh yea, I forgot about how bad Synapse was. I feel like Synapse is actually the one firmware that I've used which actually got worse over time and became more bloated. People always complain about how synapse affects the snappiness of the cursor.
Well, my roccat kone + lasted 3 years before the scroll wheel started being squeaky and later on started skipping.so i went with the zowie fk1 now.lets see how it goed
Oh really? Did i make the wrong decision then? I was looking at the mionix one but they were not in stock so i took the fk1. Been using it for abt 3 weeks.so far so good.never had problems with peeling cover as yet and the scroll wheel works fine.but i guess only time will tellWell, my roccat kone + lasted 3 years before the scroll wheel started being squeaky and later on started skipping.so i went with the zowie fk1 now.lets see how it goed
Oh man, the Zowie QC lottery =P
I hope you didn't get one with a bad scroll wheel or warping shell.
Oh really? Did i make the wrong decision then? I was looking at the mionix one but they were not in stock so i took the fk1. Been using it for abt 3 weeks.so far so good.never had problems with peeling cover as yet and the scroll wheel works fine.but i guess only time will tellWell, my roccat kone + lasted 3 years before the scroll wheel started being squeaky and later on started skipping.so i went with the zowie fk1 now.lets see how it goed
Oh man, the Zowie QC lottery =P
I hope you didn't get one with a bad scroll wheel or warping shell.
Regarding the built quality, it's still not that great. I'm expecting the rubbery coating to peel. And the scroll is really shoddy.
I hate when they pull the DPI interpolated crap so they can jack the numbers up too.
This marketing and gimmicky game is very annoying especially when it comes at the cost of cheapening out on the internals and making it worse and worse to increase profit margins.
I feel like Synapse is actually the one firmware that I've used which actually got worse over time and became more bloated.
I hate when they pull the DPI interpolated crap so they can jack the numbers up too.
This marketing and gimmicky game is very annoying especially when it comes at the cost of cheapening out on the internals and making it worse and worse to increase profit margins.
Lower end internals are lower end internals regardless of Interpolation. In the case of DA 2013 and DA Chroma nothing changed, DA 2013 itself was an upgrade over 3.5g.I feel like Synapse is actually the one firmware that I've used which actually got worse over time and became more bloated.
Regarding the built quality, it's still not that great. I'm expecting the rubbery coating to peel. And the scroll is really shoddy.
I suspect he's referring to past experiences when purchasing and using anything connected with Zowie (truly understandable).
Have a number of their models from FK1, FK2, EC1, EC2 eVo, EC1 Glossy White and EC2 original. ALL have worked reliably BUT the scroll wheel problem is there within all versions of their product range, I just wanted to try nearly every model to see if one escapes the dreaded scroller issue but alas I was wrong every time.
Hoping that Zowie will release a fixed srcoll wheel version because currently it sucks paying so much money for a product that lets the end user suffer when it comes to using a simple scroll wheel.
Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
That's exactly like mine as well!!!can't believe they didn't fix it even after 3 years!
Does the deathadder still have the doubleclicking problem? since my 2010 deathadder developed that problem a year after purchase.rigghht after the warraty ended...what a bastard
Yup. My DA 2013 developed it after about a year. I didn't even use it all that much either. If it was my main mouse it probably would've happened after a couple weeks.
For February 2015,
Zowie FK2, the absolute BEST mouse released thus far from that Company :thumb: .
Apply Hyperglides and get a Dark Blue Artisan Hien Pad and nothing will feel as good as this input device, all your enemies shall be disemboweled upon the Battlefield........enough said.
Zowie ew.
Imma slap you Elrick.
my new favorite mouse is the Logitech G602, a great wireless gaming mouse with great precision (been hitting **** real good in CSGO) and pretty comfortable, not really ergonomic though. i don't think i can go back to wired mice anymore
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Zowie ew.
Imma slap you Elrick.
OOOOoooohhh now you've got me all excited, which cheek would you like to slap first ;) ?
my new favorite mouse is the Logitech G602, a great wireless gaming mouse with great precision (been hitting **** real good in CSGO) and pretty comfortable, not really ergonomic though. i don't think i can go back to wired mice anymore
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/16595113255_ca6c52b245_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rhsi1k)
Absolutely the best wireless mouse I've ever used, hands down. And one of the most comfy (at least for me). I've had it 6 months (about) and have changed the batteries once.
The Logitech Marathon M705. This is my favorite productivity mouse. It's wireless, has all the buttons I use most often (middle, back, forward), an unlockable scroll wheel, and a super long battery life. There's a reason this thing has "Marathon" in the name. I've been using it 8+ hours a day for the last 6 months and haven't had to change the battery once. I actually forget that it has batteries in it sometimes.
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http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/marathon-mouse-m705 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/marathon-mouse-m705).
Zowie EC1A, like the Deathadder only with a better laser and build quality.
It seems like the Logitech Performance MX is the only one that doesn't give me RSI in my thumb. Maybe I have bad form.
swapped out my ec2-a in favor of a g502 and I don't regret it =)
I use a Logitech g600. Its an ideal mate to the smaller form factor of my poker as I use the extra buttons on the mouse.
I'm really shocked so many people use wireless mice,not because I am a tracking elitist, but because I had one once and had to change batteries every 2 weeks. I can't fathom going back to that. I guess I'm in the minority with this view though.
On a side note I feel like the buttons could have been better thought out in terms of location. I can't reach the top row with my little hands without taking my hand off the mouse
My Logitech wireless trackball hasn't needed a battery change in well over 2 years of almost daily heavy use.I use a Logitech g600. Its an ideal mate to the smaller form factor of my poker as I use the extra buttons on the mouse.
I'm really shocked so many people use wireless mice,not because I am a tracking elitist, but because I had one once and had to change batteries every 2 weeks. I can't fathom going back to that. I guess I'm in the minority with this view though.
On a side note I feel like the buttons could have been better thought out in terms of location. I can't reach the top row with my little hands without taking my hand off the mouse
I used to have the same opinion on wireless mice... but the Logitech Marathon mouse changes my mind! The battery life on this thing is amazing! It lasts almost a full year before needing to be changed... and that's 8 hours+ a day for a year. Plus, one less wire on my desk...
Logitech G302 easily! I've tried a ton of mouses and this is the best for me so far. The clicks and shape are what make this mouse. The clicks especially, as I'm a Dota player, it reduces my fatigue so much. Very happy with this mouse, prefer it over the Deathadder, Zowie FK, and SteelSeries Kana V2.
Sorijealut, I got the G303 myself recently. Found it on ebay for half the retail price, if you can find a deal on it I would definitely recommend it. It certainly has the nicest clicks of any mouse I have used.
I like "half-vertical" mice.
Otherwise, I like the original "Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical" although it insists on downloading massive driver software when you first plug it in.
Although wouldn't you have problems holding it due to your preferences for half- vertical rodents?
It's hard to say whether you will like the shape or not, it's quite different to most mice I've used.
It's narrow in the front, wide towards the middle before narrowing again. It works well for me as I grip the front of my mouse with my fingertips and have the rear of the mouse against my palm.
If you do like the shape though, I can confidently say it's the best mouse you can possibly buy on the market right now.
http://www.amazon.com/GAMDIAS-GMS5500-Optical-Programmable-Buttons/dp/B00NR6V4P4 (http://www.amazon.com/GAMDIAS-GMS5500-Optical-Programmable-Buttons/dp/B00NR6V4P4)
Stupid good price on a mouse that rivals all the big names. Poops on all of them considering the price. On board memory, every button programmable and saved on mouse. Perfect sensor. I mean it's perfect. No jitter, no acceleration, perfection. Built like a tank. Excellent wheel and click action ( the wheel is smooth rubber but grippy, feels very expensive and the click action is like a fine pen ). the side buttons are not flimsy and very well placed ( for me ). Weight system that actually has an affect on the feel.
Got mine for $19.99, bought 2 in case it ever breaks. Should be good for a decade or so on mice.
My good old Logitech® MX™518, bought in 2007. When it was performing badly I just opened and cleaned all the dirty of it, specially on the mouse wheel. It is working now like new. :))
My good old Logitech® MX™518, bought in 2007. When it was performing badly I just opened and cleaned all the dirty of it, specially on the mouse wheel. It is working now like new. :))
My Zowie EC2-A is an amazing mouse and I love it. The Razer Deathadder felt too big, bulky, and even cheap when I was trying it in a store and after I learned the EC1-A has similar dimensions to the Deathadder, I opted for this mouse despite complaints about the infamous EC scroll wheel issue still persisting on the newest generation of EC mice. Luckily the EC2-A I got has a perfect scroll wheel, not too wobbly and doesn't miss any steps when scrolling with it. The clicks are perfect too, my Magic Mouse clicks are too stiff, the Deathadder's is to loose, and the Rival's felt too mushy rather than clicky and tactile. I could not be anymore happier with my purchase. My Artisan Hien VE L compliments the EC2-A well too.Good to hear EC2-A is a good mouse. I've been recommending it based on my experience with the FK1, but I haven't had a chance to test it out myself.
I also tried the G303 in store and it felt great especially the clicks, but I wanted an ergonomic/semi-ergonomic mouse after dealing with the Magic Mouse for 4 years.
I have been using a Logitech G302 for a some time now, and even though it is not the most comfortable mouse out there � the prime factor which will make or break the G302/G303 for you � it works for me. The implementation of the AM010 sensor is great, provided that you do not exceed the 2.7�3 m/s (depending on the mouse pad you use) PCS. In regards to the tracking itself, I would describe it as 'raw'; feeling like what would be a modern iteration of ADI's MLT04 (IE 3.0, IMO 1.1 and WMO 1.1). The LoD is approximately 1.5mm on my mouse pads.What a well written review! I really appreciate this, thank you! ;)
One notable thing I would like to mention, is that the G302 (and by extension the G303) has the most satisfying M1 and M2 mouse buttons I have ever used : they are very defined with great tactile feedback. If you like the tactility of Huano switches but find them too stiff, you will love what Logitech has done here. In regards to the scroll wheel, I find it just right � a nice middle ground whereby the notches are pronounced enough for in-game usage, yet not too stiff for everyday bureautique and web browsing. I can't talk much about the scroll wheel click as I never use it.
On the negative side, while I am glad that Logitech did not go for a braided cable on the G302, the rubber implementation here is a bit on the stiff side which might bother some people depending on how you manage your cables on your desk. In my case, I have found a setup by which the cable does not hinder my movements at all using the mouse. Nothing fancy; just running the cable through my monitor pass-through with enough slack in somewhat of an '�' shape. I have also read online about the mouse having some lateral play due to its diamond shape and mouse feet location as being a downside. I can indeed reproduce this wobble, but it requires me to go out of my way to intentionally to make it happen, so I can't say it's a problem for me.
Finally, in regards to build quality, only time will tell how the G302 will hold up, but my short term opinion is that the construction seems to be overall what you would expect from Logitech � clean and sturdy.
The G302 is not perfect, but the sum of its parts make it my favorite mouse to date. For whatever reason it happens I have better accuracy with it too.
Useful info
� Hand size: 19cm (heel to tip of middle finger)
� Grip: fingertip grip
� CPI setting: 400 CPI
� In game sensitivity: 2.6
� Cm/360: 42cm
I think the cable issue has been fixed with G303, hasn't it?
What a well written review! I really appreciate this, thank you! ;)
I've been waiting for someone to review either the 302/303.
So this confirms my thinking that the mouse clicks are the strongpoints, you actually mention exactly what I'm thinking with the Huano switches - they're simply just a tad heavy.
My hands measure 19cm as well, and I would probably share the same sentiment then, with the comfort level and such.
I wonder what game you've tested it on, I'm guessing dota or csgo. You didn't want to try the better sensor on the 303 then? It also has the braided cables in its update, so I'm inclined to say it's more fitting of your preference.
Thank you very much and you are welcome! Although to be honest I think I am terrible at writing reviews.
Yes � the main mouse buttons are by far the strong point of the G302/G303. They are lighter than the Huanos in Zowies, while at the same time having that satisfying click, without being overly light to the point that you would inadvertently actuate them like on some iterations of the Razer Deathadder. I do insist though that the shape is not for everyone and is what will either make you love or hate the G302/G303.
I play a bit of everything but I do love and play a lot of FPSes such as Quake Live, TF2 and Counter Strike. As for the Pixart 3366/G303, no, I have not tried it yet since the G302's implementation of the AM010 fits my needs. That being said, I am always game for trying out new things, so in the near future I might end up purchasing a G303. Regarding braided cables, I expressed my thoughts right above. If the 3366 on the G303 is to my liking, I will most probably switch out the cable with a unit from the G302.
The Razer Deathadder fits my hand comfortably. Just enough buttons for what I do, and I have had no issues with it at all.
My opinion is that Pixart 3366 is the best sensor out at the moment. I tried out the G502 for about a week with the same Pixart 3366 sensor and it was flawless in my testing.
I agree with you that AM010 is a fine sensor and should work fine, but I think you'd enjoy the 3366 sensor when you do try it out in the future :)
I also enjoy trying out new things... and the price tag for the G303 is at $50 right now, precisely the price I'd been waiting for since its $70-mark release.
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Daedalus-Performance-Edition-910-004380/dp/B00TKFD51M/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I'm about to click on the order button. lol ;D
edit: ordered! I should take advantage of the Prime shipping while I still have it, and I could always try it out and return it if I don't like it.
Here we go!
I think it's safe to say that as we speak the Pixart 3366 is the objectively the best performing sensor on the market. I do not feel comfortable spending the money on a G303 right now as the retail price where I am is €69.99 which is too expensive in my opinion.
Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the G303 after running it through some gameplay?
I agree, it wouldn't be worth that price for trial. I'm surprised the price drop came as quick as it did here in the states - hoping your location will follow soon!Thanks! I'll be keeping an eye out for your opinion : )
It would be my pleasure, you helped me a great deal with yours as well :cool:
I'll be mainly testing it for CS:GO and a bit of moba gaming as well.
I'm looking forward to getting the mouse in 2 days!
g400 is what I've stuck with for the past few years, but I don't think I 've found a mouse yet that I can call my favSame here! I really think I'll end up using this until it dies, I just haven't found anything more comfortable for me than the g400. The new ducky mouse did kind of intrigue me based off the teaser video, I'll have to get some more information on it though before committing to buy it though.
I have big hands, so finding a mouse that I could actully palm grip for a change would be niceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/JCBjdBs.jpg)
g400 is what I've stuck with for the past few years, but I don't think I 've found a mouse yet that I can call my fav
I have big hands, so finding a mouse that I could actully palm grip for a change would be niceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/JCBjdBs.jpg)
g400 is what I've stuck with for the past few years, but I don't think I 've found a mouse yet that I can call my favSame here! I really think I'll end up using this until it dies, I just haven't found anything more comfortable for me than the g400. The new ducky mouse did kind of intrigue me based off the teaser video, I'll have to get some more information on it though before committing to buy it though.
I have big hands, so finding a mouse that I could actully palm grip for a change would be niceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/JCBjdBs.jpg)
As long as the sensor is decent it looks to be a hopeful one (since it's Pixart, I think it will do just fine).If the CPI steps shown in the trailer are anything to go by, my bet would be on a 3310.
Not sure how big your guys' hands are but from the edge of my palm to the tip of my middle finger is ~7 1/8 inches. The mouse in the pics is the Naos 3200 but it's the same size and shape as the Naos 7000 and Naos 8200.Show Image(http://i62.tinypic.com/f1e9o5.jpg)
Two-handed pic and the worst one of the three.Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/10h5d2s.jpg)Show Image(http://i62.tinypic.com/260zdxw.jpg)
g400 is what I've stuck with for the past few years, but I don't think I 've found a mouse yet that I can call my favSame here! I really think I'll end up using this until it dies, I just haven't found anything more comfortable for me than the g400. The new ducky mouse did kind of intrigue me based off the teaser video, I'll have to get some more information on it though before committing to buy it though.
I have big hands, so finding a mouse that I could actully palm grip for a change would be niceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/JCBjdBs.jpg)
Yeah, in all my experience my mx518/g400 were the most comfortable. It's really unbeatable...
Wow, I just watched the trailer and yeah, I've been curious about that Ducky mouse. I think I remember someone joking that it will have a PBT shell (looks like it really does! o.o).
Good form factor, check. Omron switches, check. As long as the sensor is decent it looks to be a hopeful one (since it's Pixart, I think it will do just fine).
i'm still a g400 fan :-) the shape isn't perfect for me, but the sweet clicks make up for that.
unfortunately the coating of my g400 wore down pretty quickly.
and the points at which i click M1 and M2 are so damn shiny and texture-less nowadays, it honestly gets on my nerves quite quickly and i just end up switching to one of my other mice because of it..
a PBT shell does sound interesting, though. (do you have a link/source?)
because coating has always been a problem for me: either it's hard to clean, has a bad grip or just wears down really fast.
it's hard to imagine creating a PBT shell without bad warp, though.
edit: seen the clip(s).
and i don't know why i assumed it wouldn't have coating just because it uses PBT.
maybe coating-less would be crap for grip, anyway..
quite curious to this mouse, must say (because the clip hints it won't have coating) :-)
Got my G303!
Initial impressions:
- The box that it comes shipped in is flimsy! It was pretty crushed up.
Amazon apparently chooses bubbler mail over a box since it's small.- Gotta admit the RGB looks pretty good, har har :))
- It's a long and narrow shape. The back end touches your palm if you palm it. I think it'll take some time getting used to it.
- Actually a really comfortable mouse.
- Sensor works great as expected. There was negative feedback on software's surface calibration- I'll be trying it out on QcK to lower LOD
- Seems ideal for fingertip grip. Shape probably isn't ideal for FPS or whatever, but I did alright when I tried it out for a game.
- Left/right clicks are amazing. Compared to my FK1, has faster response time by 15-20ms
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Glad you are enjoying the 303 sorijealut. It's a hard mouse to recommend to people because it has a very different shape. For me it took just a few days to get used to and I love it. The clicks are extremely high quality and the sensor is great, definitely the most polished mouse I have used.
My previous favourite mouse was the razer krait, but the quality was bad, I went through ~10 of them while my friend had used the same mx518 without it breaking. Hopefully this 303 will have the longevity the other logitech mice seem to have.
I hate to put a damper on the positive G303 posts, but I, too, picked up a G303, and thought the shape wasn't that bad and could be something I could get used to... at first. And then a couple of weeks into it, I just got tired of the shape and set it aside.
It's that weird diamond shape - causing me to have that more "forward" and "aggressive" claw/finger-tip grip. It just doesn't make sense, man.
I play D3 a lot, and the Demon Hunter class (an archer class, basically) is what I play the most, which requires a lot of kiting (not a lot of broad sweeping movements like when playing an FPS, but short and really quick movements). And the shape is just horrible for that kind of movement. My fingers and hand need to be stable to be able to make those moves, but those angles make it hard for me to keep a consistent grip while making those quick movements. My preference is definitely for more of a straighter, ambidextrous shape, like the Zowie FK1.
I honestly don't know what's going on in the Logitech offices over there. It's like they don't even do tests on their products, given how their latest products like the G303 and G502 have glaring usability issues (terrible shape on the G303, and the ridiculous weight on the G502) - it's like they just slap together a bunch of features, and call it a done product. :confused:
I hate to put a damper on the positive G303 posts, but I, too, picked up a G303, and thought the shape wasn't that bad and could be something I could get used to... at first. And then a couple of weeks into it, I just got tired of the shape and set it aside.
It's that weird diamond shape - causing me to have that more "forward" and "aggressive" claw/finger-tip grip. It just doesn't make sense, man.
I play D3 a lot, and the Demon Hunter class (an archer class, basically) is what I play the most, which requires a lot of kiting (not a lot of broad sweeping movements like when playing an FPS, but short and really quick movements). And the shape is just horrible for that kind of movement. My fingers and hand need to be stable to be able to make those moves, but those angles make it hard for me to keep a consistent grip while making those quick movements. My preference is definitely for more of a straighter, ambidextrous shape, like the Zowie FK1.
I honestly don't know what's going on in the Logitech offices over there. It's like they don't even do tests on their products, given how their latest products like the G303 and G502 have glaring usability issues (terrible shape on the G303, and the ridiculous weight on the G502) - it's like they just slap together a bunch of features, and call it a done product. :confused:
So I've looked for a mouse that didn't suck for a long time. I doubt a great one for me exists, but perhaps someone has seen something close.
- I'm left handed
- Don't really need more than three buttons/scroll wheel, would prefer the middle button be dedicated (as opposed to clicking the scroll wheel), but that's not a deal-breaker
- Really don't want buttons on the sides - that is a deal-breaker
- Do find easily adjustable resolution handy
- Prefer a heavier mouse, but that doesn't matter so much
- Would prefer no gratuitous LEDs, or at least that they turn off and stay off without a Windows driver (Linux machine)
I currently have a Mionix Avior-8200. The shape is great. The side buttons are annoying as hell. It could be a bit heavier, and I've considered cracking it open and weighting it, but the side buttons bother me so much that I'd rather just replace it.
In my more ambitious dreams, I try to work through what it would take to make a mirror-image clone of the Logitech M570, for lefties. I'm pretty convinced I'd really like using that. But I've always had a mouse as well as a trackpad; they get used for different things.
Really don't want buttons on the sides - that is a deal-breakerDoes this also include the common forward & back buttons? Or are those okay? I can understand not wanting 16 buttons on a mouse, but the forward and back buttons can be extremely useful when browsing the web.
Do find easily adjustable resolution handyGuessing you mean easily adjustable DPI? Like the buttons on the Mionix Avior/Naos?
So I've looked for a mouse that didn't suck for a long time. I doubt a great one for me exists, but perhaps someone has seen something close.
- I'm left handed
- Don't really need more than three buttons/scroll wheel, would prefer the middle button be dedicated (as opposed to clicking the scroll wheel), but that's not a deal-breaker
- Really don't want buttons on the sides - that is a deal-breaker
- Do find easily adjustable resolution handy
- Would prefer no gratuitous LEDs, or at least that they turn off and stay off without a Windows driver (Linux machine)
I currently have a Mionix Avior-8200. The shape is great. The side buttons are annoying as hell. It could be a bit heavier, and I've considered cracking it open and weighting it, but the side buttons bother me so much that I'd rather just replace it.
In my more ambitious dreams, I try to work through what it would take to make a mirror-image clone of the Logitech M570, for lefties. I'm pretty convinced I'd really like using that. But I've always had a mouse as well as a trackpad; they get used for different things.
Logitech works well with me and my my computer!
I love the sensor in my g502, but for some reason cant shake the form of the deathadder. If only I could get the deathadder with the PMW3366 I would be a happy camper.
Shortly after that post I picked up a G403. I love it, the hump in the palm is a little odd at first but you get over it quickly.I love the sensor in my g502, but for some reason cant shake the form of the deathadder. If only I could get the deathadder with the PMW3366 I would be a happy camper.
Go with the Logitech G403. 3366 sensor (I believe), very close to the DA form factor (a bit higher bump). Can't recommend enough.
Just got a G900. Not sure if I like it more than my G403, but god damn is it the best performing wireless mouse I've ever used. I literally cannot tell that it's not wired.
The only thing the G602 beats it out on is battery life.
Logitech g303 g302 are being discontinued, if someone is waiting to buy them... now it's time!
After reviewing ~15 mice, my favorite after many months of continuous use is still the Steelseries Rival 300 Black.
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They don't know it's why I am so good with the AWP.
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They don't know it's why I am so good with the AWP.
you actually play CSGO with that trackball? because that would be pretty rare. most of the (very few) people playing FPS games with trackballs at all use thumb trackballs.
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They don't know it's why I am so good with the AWP.
you actually play CSGO with that trackball? because that would be pretty rare. most of the (very few) people playing FPS games with trackballs at all use thumb trackballs.
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They don't know it's why I am so good with the AWP.
you actually play CSGO with that trackball? because that would be pretty rare. most of the (very few) people playing FPS games with trackballs at all use thumb trackballs.
Is it really that rare to use a trackball for gaming? I tend to use a logitech m570 and have found it pretty useful. Could use a few more buttons but otherwise I've not had a problem.
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They don't know it's why I am so good with the AWP.
you actually play CSGO with that trackball? because that would be pretty rare. most of the (very few) people playing FPS games with trackballs at all use thumb trackballs.
Is it really that rare to use a trackball for gaming? I tend to use a logitech m570 and have found it pretty useful. Could use a few more buttons but otherwise I've not had a problem.
I don't know if it's actually that rare, or if mouse users who have never used a trackball can't imagine how they would use it. Maybe we are just cool because trackballs for games is fine to us :D
I don't know if it's actually that rare, or if mouse users who have never used a trackball can't imagine how they would use it. Maybe we are just cool because trackballs for games is fine to us :D
Can confirm, as a young person (23), nearly all of my free time has gone to gaming, and I work in a data center. I've never used a trackball mouse in my life. The idea of using one, ESPECIALLY for CS, just doesn't compute.I don't know if it's actually that rare, or if mouse users who have never used a trackball can't imagine how they would use it. Maybe we are just cool because trackballs for games is fine to us :D
well, google pictures of LANs. you'll see dozens, sometimes hundreds of players.. but how many trackballs can you find? :cool:
and maybe you're under-estimating how big the change really is. if you've used mice exclusively for years, especially as a (FPS) gamer, then switching to a trackball is just not gonna happen.
your aim will go from a 8 or 9+ down to a 1 or 2, and it takes weeks, if not months to get to 4 or 5. you will most likely never aim as good as you do with the mouse, it's become as natural as walking. :D
and besides getting used to one, gaming with a trackball is just "not a thing". a young gamer isn't going to consider a trackball, all their pro gamer heros are using mice :cool:
Approximately 18.5 x 9.0 cm. I use a palm grip, and I prefer large mice. The SS Rival 300 is actually one of the largest mice currently available, but it is rather narrow at the front.After reviewing ~15 mice, my favorite after many months of continuous use is still the Steelseries Rival 300 Black.
How big are your hands? I have small hands and I actually enjoyed my rival back in the day, kind of thinking about getting another one
Just ordered a "Ducky M Secret".
Been wanting to try one for a while.
I have used a rat 7 for the past 6 years. Only complaint is that some of the exposed metal has started to rust a bit from the inevitable palm sweat. I've considered upgrading to the wireless version but haven't found a good enough reason to change yet.
Currently using the Logitech G Pro and loving it, both for gaming and general work.
Currently using the Logitech G Pro and loving it, both for gaming and general work.
G203 is better, at half the price. They look the same. On the g pro the mouse wheel click is way too heavy, practically unusable, while it's light on the g203.
After a month spent using the g203, I can confirm that it's the best mouse that I've ever owned.
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Currently using the Logitech G Pro and loving it, both for gaming and general work.
G203 is better, at half the price. They look the same. On the g pro the mouse wheel click is way too heavy, practically unusable, while it's light on the g203.
After a month spent using the g203, I can confirm that it's the best mouse that I've ever owned.
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the g-pro is a mechanical encoder wheel right ?
Currently using the Logitech G Pro and loving it, both for gaming and general work.
G203 is better, at half the price. They look the same. On the g pro the mouse wheel click is way too heavy, practically unusable, while it's light on the g203.
After a month spent using the g203, I can confirm that it's the best mouse that I've ever owned.
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the g-pro is a mechanical encoder wheel right ?
yes it is
Work related stuff (CAD mostly) MX Master
Everything else G900
Work related stuff (CAD mostly) MX Master
Everything else G900
You use that enormous mouse for cad? Are you Shrek? I see cubital and carpal tunnel sindrome in your future :-/
Intellimouse Explorer 3.0. Must of had one for 10 years, excellent CS mouse at the time.Aaawww yiiiiss. I had this mouse but it died on me so unfortunately I don't have it any more.
Intellimouse Explorer 3.0. Must of had one for 10 years, excellent CS mouse at the time.Aaawww yiiiiss. I had this mouse but it died on me so unfortunately I don't have it any more.
Definitely the go-to CS mouse back when I played.
Also pic of my mouse:Show Image(http://xtrfy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/XG-M2-ANGLE2.png)
Wouldn't this thread be really better if everyone posted images of the mouse they're talking of?
If you know nothing about a mouse, just by looking at the picture you can understand if you'll find the shape comfortable.
Wouldn't this thread be really better if everyone posted images of the mouse they're talking of?
If you know nothing about a mouse, just by looking at the picture you can understand if you'll find the shape comfortable.
But but by only submitting product names and product serial numbers I feel more elitist and knowledgeable!
For instance, I'm now using the 0016100113471243
Haha I love that pic. :DIntellimouse Explorer 3.0. Must of had one for 10 years, excellent CS mouse at the time.Aaawww yiiiiss. I had this mouse but it died on me so unfortunately I don't have it any more.
Definitely the go-to CS mouse back when I played.
Also pic of my mouse:Show Image(http://xtrfy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/XG-M2-ANGLE2.png)
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Wouldn't this thread be really better if everyone posted images of the mouse they're talking of?
If you know nothing about a mouse, just by looking at the picture you can understand if you'll find the shape comfortable.
But but by only submitting product names and product serial numbers I feel more elitist and knowledgeable!
For instance, I'm now using the 0016100113471243
Binary code of my serial number yo!
100101000010011111000010
Ok, but the shape was too good to have no successor. Are there any?There are some contemporary gaming mice that are fairly long and high in dimensions. These include the Cougar Reverger, Razer Deathadder Elite, Roccat Kone EMP, Steelseries Rival 300, and Zowie ZA11. In the non-gaming category, one that comes to mind is the Kensington Pro Fit Full-Size mouse.
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LOGITECH G9x
My Naga Epic 1st gen was the best mouse for me.Now that is a lot of thumb keys!
I love the 12 thumbs-keys and the five others buttons, every keys was reachable, and more impartant, they was reachable with a small move who don’t affect the mouse position. Fingers move, mouse don’t move.
That’s very important if you don’t want to lose focus because of disruptive motion…
Even on FPS or Moba I miss the thumbs keys. On Data I had 6 spells and my 6 active items binded directly accessible with my mouse. That was so good…
But that’s razer ****. A software update on synergy completely disable all the buttons and my mouse is broken.
Razer have completely destroy my wallet :
Razer Sphex mousepad : Move on the desk, unusable.
Razer Ironclad aluminium mousepad high priced : The surface paint is broken even with a razer mouse, unusable.
Razer Ferox portable speakers : They make strange sounds, crackles, unusable.
Razer Megalodon headphone : Unusable in 7.1, so it’s now a bad 2.0 headphone lol.
Razer Carcarias headphone : The only one items wich are not bad at all, very good headphone for me.
Razer Nostromo keypad : Some ****ing ghosting issue who made it totally unusable. I was playing at CS:GO and with it I was unable to move in front while straffing left/right.
Now I have a G502 wich I don’t love so much :
There is only 2/3 laterals buttons that I can reach easily, 1/2 buttons on the top and the one wich is next to the scroll ring is very hard to reach.
I don’t understand the hype on this mouse. She is comfortable but so imperfect for me…
I want to replace my G13 and my G502 wich a better keypad and a new mouse with 12 thumkeys.
I want try the Elecom Dux MMO Gaming but she seem’s to be bad wich unreachable keys
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The scope of esporting events has blown up in recent years. The International 2016 tournament drew 17,000 attendees with 5 million watching online. The prize pool of $20 million ($19 million of that crowdfunded through in-game purchases) is a big incentive to gain a competitive edge to win. Contestants are allowed to bring their own peripherals which begs the questions: can you alter a stock gaming mouse to do interesting things?
This god-awful piece of garbage:Wow, that mouse has a lot going on!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/JWtSGo3.jpg)
It's a 'Gecko Optical Gaming Mouse' from my local Big W (kind of like an Australian Wal-mart). It's a terrible mouse, but it was free (had a gift card) and it's served me well for about six months now. I took it apart and changed out the LEDs for standard pink ones because I couldn't stand the colour-changing RGB crap :P
Wow, that mouse has a lot going on!
And good move on the LEDs imo. I am not a big fan of RGB either.
Dis my baby. Actually posted it before but not in this topic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ytPfoLK.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tavYKBk.jpg)
Yeah Zowie scroll wheel is always noisy. However everything else is top notch.Dis my baby. Actually posted it before but not in this topic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ytPfoLK.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tavYKBk.jpg)
I tried this and then returned it. It had something to do with noise, or with hard keypresses on buttons or the mouse wheel. Nice shape btw.
Dis my baby. Actually posted it before but not in this topic.One of the best IE3.0-shaped mouses! Damn, I wish for a wireless IE3.0-shaped mouse. Mamba doesn't count: terrible battery life and ****ty software :(Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ytPfoLK.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tavYKBk.jpg)
IE 3.0 is the bestAnd now it's back (but apparently the sensor is not very good)
And now it's back (but apparently the sensor is not very good)
And now it's back (but apparently the sensor is not very good)
Do you have any sources regarding this? I've been trying to track down the performance of the sensor in it, with no luck.
If MS goes with a worse-performing sensor, then they really don't understand their fan base for this mouse
Looking for advice on a new mouse.
Been using a Razer DA for ages. Like it a lot but it's not functioning properly anymore and there are certain details I'm not so happy with so I'm looking for a replacement. I heard lots of good things about the G403 but was hoping to find something cheaper and that's when this little thing came to my attention:
https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104 (https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104)
Is anyone familiar with it ? The ergonomics look somewhat similar to the DA and I heard good things about its sensor (please consider its low price)
Would love to have some feedback.
Cheers,
Z
Thanks for the feedback!Looking for advice on a new mouse.
Been using a Razer DA for ages. Like it a lot but it's not functioning properly anymore and there are certain details I'm not so happy with so I'm looking for a replacement. I heard lots of good things about the G403 but was hoping to find something cheaper and that's when this little thing came to my attention:
https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104 (https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104)
Is anyone familiar with it ? The ergonomics look somewhat similar to the DA and I heard good things about its sensor (please consider its low price)
Would love to have some feedback.
Cheers,
Z
The Cougar Revenger S has a very similar ergo shape to the DA with all the good modern bits like 3360 and separate clicks.
Edit: Sorry I completely misread your post, the cougar is probably too expensive. As for the A4 tech mouse, keep in mind that the mouse feet are metal on this, and the cable looks pretty bad.
Thanks for the feedback!Looking for advice on a new mouse.
Been using a Razer DA for ages. Like it a lot but it's not functioning properly anymore and there are certain details I'm not so happy with so I'm looking for a replacement. I heard lots of good things about the G403 but was hoping to find something cheaper and that's when this little thing came to my attention:
https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104 (https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104)
Is anyone familiar with it ? The ergonomics look somewhat similar to the DA and I heard good things about its sensor (please consider its low price)
Would love to have some feedback.
Cheers,
Z
The Cougar Revenger S has a very similar ergo shape to the DA with all the good modern bits like 3360 and separate clicks.
Edit: Sorry I completely misread your post, the cougar is probably too expensive. As for the A4 tech mouse, keep in mind that the mouse feet are metal on this, and the cable looks pretty bad.
Indeed I am favoring something cheaper for the moment although I'll probably regret it later.
Do you have any experience with the Logi G403 and if yes how would you compare it ti the cougar you mentioned?
Z
Thanks for the feedback!Looking for advice on a new mouse.
Been using a Razer DA for ages. Like it a lot but it's not functioning properly anymore and there are certain details I'm not so happy with so I'm looking for a replacement. I heard lots of good things about the G403 but was hoping to find something cheaper and that's when this little thing came to my attention:
https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104 (https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=10&id=104)
Is anyone familiar with it ? The ergonomics look somewhat similar to the DA and I heard good things about its sensor (please consider its low price)
Would love to have some feedback.
Cheers,
Z
The Cougar Revenger S has a very similar ergo shape to the DA with all the good modern bits like 3360 and separate clicks.
Edit: Sorry I completely misread your post, the cougar is probably too expensive. As for the A4 tech mouse, keep in mind that the mouse feet are metal on this, and the cable looks pretty bad.
Indeed I am favoring something cheaper for the moment although I'll probably regret it later.
Do you have any experience with the Logi G403 and if yes how would you compare it ti the cougar you mentioned?
Z
Logitech G403 is great, both wired and wireless.
Extremely comfortable and safe ergonomics, feels solid too.
I have not used the Cougar revenger myself but just my 2 cents here. :))
This beast....Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/22bacc2ee307d7d11f0bb34f95018ee4.jpg)
The Logitech MX510.
I had this bad boy for atleast over 10 years and it is still going strong. It will be a sad day when it finally dies. I am still upset I didn’t buy a few backups when they were in production!
using an old razer salmosa as my laptop mouse. it will be sad when it die. hard to find a tiny mouse
Loved the corsair scimitar to death but it had this really bad issue where it would double click when I had only clicked once. Currently using a logitech G pro and I like it. I really wish I had gotten a G303 Daedulus before they discontinued it and the prices went crazy...
I'm starting to think that any mouse with weight > mouse without... Am I the only one?No, I think the same. At my work they have the cheapest junk of keyboards and mice that are feather light. I find those ultra light mice close to impossible to work with. I brought along my own Logitech MX mouse to work (and a mechanical keyboard of course) and here at home I got a MX Master, G502, G602 and a deceased G5 mouse. All feel rather heavier that I appreciate greatly. The MX Master is lovely ergonomic for my big hands and feels having the right weight to it.
The Roccat Leadr (wireless Tyon with a good sensor) has really grown on me.
It's got the accuracy when I'm playing FPS games and buttons when I want to go for other games, it is a bit weighty though. I'm really digging the button placement; the reduced number at the thumb requires less muscle memory so I don't panic fumble anything with progression content; the only issue is the finger buttons are wide spread, but planning out action/macro placement cuts down on the finger acrobatics.
The Roccat Leadr (wireless Tyon with a good sensor) has really grown on me.
It's got the accuracy when I'm playing FPS games and buttons when I want to go for other games, it is a bit weighty though. I'm really digging the button placement; the reduced number at the thumb requires less muscle memory so I don't panic fumble anything with progression content; the only issue is the finger buttons are wide spread, but planning out action/macro placement cuts down on the finger acrobatics.
How's the wireless performance? I'm a bit spoiled on Logitech's recent wireless offerings.
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This beast....aah, i remember those logitech mice designs, i personally loved the g400s, first mouse i ever loved i have bigger hands and it fit me pretty well, feel like getting a new one for nostalgias sake, those mice were tanks.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/22bacc2ee307d7d11f0bb34f95018ee4.jpg)
The Logitech MX510.
I had this bad boy for atleast over 10 years and it is still going strong. It will be a sad day when it finally dies. I am still upset I didn’t buy a few backups when they were in production!
CST L-track0
i want one of these so bad but cant justify spending 140$ for it :(
MY FAVORITE MOUSE IS THE MICROSOFT MOUSE. I USE THIS ONE FOR MICROSOFT BOB, WHICH I RUN ON WINDOWS 98:Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)Show Image(https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-a1x7hg2jgk/images/stencil/500x659/products/23860/133980/microsoft-61401-2-button-serial-mouse-home-1.27__88584.1490198504.jpg?c=2)
Logitech G900 :p
Seriously tho, I think its the M705
didn't know if touch pad is included?
I like the gesture support on Mac
so the trackpad definitely as my best working mouse!
the second is magic mouse lol.
My G903 is double clicking on single click on left. That is why you choose Logitech! They just send you another and do not even have to send back the old one. I urge people not to abuse this and ruin it! Otherwise it is great IMO. I was sure I preferred the G502 until I got used to it. So much lighter is a big deal.
It's come down to me needing a full on traditional mouse replacement as both my pointer and middle fingers are absolutely destroyed. I switched over to clicking with my middle finger for a while since my mouse finger was so painful and swollen, but instead of the pointer finger healing now I just have two wrecked fingers. I can't click anymore.
Anyone have any suggestions? Wrists are fine, but I cannot use my pointer and middle fingers properly any longer without great pain.
It's come down to me needing a full on traditional mouse replacement as both my pointer and middle fingers are absolutely destroyed. I switched over to clicking with my middle finger for a while since my mouse finger was so painful and swollen, but instead of the pointer finger healing now I just have two wrecked fingers. I can't click anymore.
Anyone have any suggestions? Wrists are fine, but I cannot use my pointer and middle fingers properly any longer without great pain.
You can't do the 'down click' movement only, or can't use those fingers at all?
If you can still use the fingers for other motions, then something like a CST Trackball might work. The thumb and the ring/pinkie are used to actuate the buttons on those things, and pointer/index/ring are used to push the ball around.
Or... left handed mouse?
It's come down to me needing a full on traditional mouse replacement as both my pointer and middle fingers are absolutely destroyed. I switched over to clicking with my middle finger for a while since my mouse finger was so painful and swollen, but instead of the pointer finger healing now I just have two wrecked fingers. I can't click anymore.
Anyone have any suggestions? Wrists are fine, but I cannot use my pointer and middle fingers properly any longer without great pain.
You can't do the 'down click' movement only, or can't use those fingers at all?
If you can still use the fingers for other motions, then something like a CST Trackball might work. The thumb and the ring/pinkie are used to actuate the buttons on those things, and pointer/index/ring are used to push the ball around.
Or... left handed mouse?
yeah I'll probably go with a trackball, they are tried and tested. was looking at the rollermouse too but it seems kinda gimmicky.
It's come down to me needing a full on traditional mouse replacement as both my pointer and middle fingers are absolutely destroyed. I switched over to clicking with my middle finger for a while since my mouse finger was so painful and swollen, but instead of the pointer finger healing now I just have two wrecked fingers. I can't click anymore.
Anyone have any suggestions? Wrists are fine, but I cannot use my pointer and middle fingers properly any longer without great pain.
You can't do the 'down click' movement only, or can't use those fingers at all?
If you can still use the fingers for other motions, then something like a CST Trackball might work. The thumb and the ring/pinkie are used to actuate the buttons on those things, and pointer/index/ring are used to push the ball around.
Or... left handed mouse?
yeah I'll probably go with a trackball, they are tried and tested. was looking at the rollermouse too but it seems kinda gimmicky.
has anyone experienced the initial 'coating' failing on your mouse? On my zowie ec2-a, the thing gets oily real quick, and I wash my hands like a germophobe with OCD.. I'm ready to buy a new mouse because of it
After years with Logitech and couple of months with Razer Baselisk I just recently found Cooler Master MM720 (https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/peripheral/mice/mm720/).
It is not best one, it doesn't have super features but... the unique shape is amazingly ergonomic for me. It beats all ergo mouses like G502.
I think the model o is the one that has a similar shape to the deathadder, which is 15 dollars brand new in the essential form. Its okay to try if you like that shape then purchase the model o and keep the essential as a backup mouse.That would be the Model D that would share forms w/ the Deathadder (i have a Black Ops 3 edition Deathadder Chroma, decent mouse but about 3-5mm's too big), the model O shares similarities to Zowie's FK & S series mice. I like the shape but I want it a mouse at 118-121mm length for my comfort/accuracy for hand placement. The Superlight is closer but I can't be sure unless I try one out (of course I'd rather spend $150 on a GMK cap set but yeah, lol), and I know the Model O-/D- are nearly perfect in size but they need wireless versions (which I'm sure they're in process to being made - I would hope).
After years with Logitech I just found perfectly comfortable shape with the odd and unique Cooler Master MM720.Yeah been using Logitech since I can remember tbh. Very few times have I deviated from that brand.
Logitech G9 (x): took a few years before I found out why other mice regardless of grip felt inaccurate in spite of massive sensor improvements: the position of the sensor is more towards the left rather than the center of the mouse. Pretty much all modern mice have the sensor smack dab in the middle. The difference to me is like controlling a pen with a normal grip vs holding it with a full fist. Yes you can control a pen with a full fist but it doesn't feel anywhere near as accurate nor are minute changes as easy and fast to make compared to the civilised grip :)Show Image(http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2013/93818-4.jpg)
Really a shame they haven't done a modern revision of the G9... wireless&updated sensor, I'd be buying a couple on release just to make sure I don't have to use a piece of **** brick like the G502 again in the next X years.
Logitech G402 is currently I'm using, but I wonder how the apple mouse is? Is anyone have experience with it?i heard apple mouse is ****.
Logitech G402 is currently I'm using, but I wonder how the apple mouse is? Is anyone have experience with it?i heard apple mouse is ****.
Zowie EC2-a until I got a Razer Viper 8k. For games that work well with the 8k (some games cause really bad frame drops for some reason), it's noticeable going back.
I like mx master 3 but side wheel stopped rolling smooth after a month.This can be easily remedied, since it is usually only caused by dirt or poor lubrication.
logitech g502. I like mx master 3 but side wheel stopped rolling smooth after a month
MX Masters need maintenance due to hand/skin debris getting into things - I know I clean my mice weekly if not monthly at the longer end of the cleaning spectrum.Depending on how many individual parts or moving elements a mouse consists of and how often it is used, thorough cleaning is also necessary at certain intervals. Of course, cable and mouse pad should not be forgotten, especially the latter often collects the same type of dirt.
MX Masters all wear down fast enough for it not needing multiple deep cleans.MX Masters need maintenance due to hand/skin debris getting into things - I know I clean my mice weekly if not monthly at the longer end of the cleaning spectrum.Depending on how many individual parts or moving elements a mouse consists of and how often it is used, thorough cleaning is also necessary at certain intervals. Of course, cable and mouse pad should not be forgotten, especially the latter often collects the same type of dirt.
vertical is so comfortable for me
Logitech G1 cuz I have small hands :rolleyes: