Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 18 June 2017, 10:49:09
What is your favorite for each of the standard sizes (Full, TKL, 75, 60, 40) and do you have a favorite for any sizes that fall out of the norm?
I'm excited to see everyone's thoughts
Post by: schoolbus on Sun, 18 June 2017, 10:52:56
I get the push for smaller boards, but IMO that's less real estate for fun key caps.
edit: Misread your request clearly.
for 75% - KBD75 is my favorite MX board right now.
For TKL- V80 TKL w/ Orange alps & for Rubber Domes the RF 55g
Even though I don't use F keys a lot, I like the aesthetic much more when they're there. I don't care about "Y axis size", it's the X axis that I want to minimize as much as possible, but 75% is the smallest I'm willing to comfortably compromise on.
I don't have a favorite for the other sizes, but I like the appeal of Let's split vs a planck for 40%.
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:08:42
I prefer TKL and therefore most of my boards are TKL ... or close to that size anyway.
I own/use some boards that have a different size/layout but that is mostly because those were not available in TKL at all, or I got a good deal. Vintage keyboards I got for collecting or for trying out more unusual switches fall into the former.
Post by: zutroy on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:09:28
hey guys, just looking to crowd source some info about different preferences at different board sizes
What is your favorite for each of the standard sizes (Full, TKL, 75, 60, 40) and do you have a favorite for any sizes that fall out of the norm?
I'm excited to see everyone's thoughts
I've used all the standard sizes you've listed except 40% (Planck is the smallest I've gone, and that's a whole different story when it comes to layout), and I've determined that 65% is the sweet spot for me. I rarely use function keys, and on the occasion that I do, they work just fine in the function layer. I do need dedicated arrow keys, however, so the extra "5%" is key. The other navigational keys (insert, delete, pg up, pg down) aren't really necessary for me, but without them, I guess a standard 65% would look a bit unbalanced. I've thought of trying out a 60% with dedicated arrow keys like the XD60, but I'm really happy with what I'm using right now—custom Alps PCB dropped in a VA68M case with AEK layout and caps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:14:41
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Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:41:17
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:43:31
hey guys, just looking to crowd source some info about different preferences at different board sizes
What is your favorite for each of the standard sizes (Full, TKL, 75, 60, 40) and do you have a favorite for any sizes that fall out of the norm?
I'm excited to see everyone's thoughts
I've used all the standard sizes you've listed except 40% (Planck is the smallest I've gone, and that's a whole different story when it comes to layout), and I've determined that 65% is the sweet spot for me. I rarely use function keys, and on the occasion that I do, they work just fine in the function layer. I do need dedicated arrow keys, however, so the extra "5%" is key. The other navigational keys (insert, delete, pg up, pg down) aren't really necessary for me, but without them, I guess a standard 65% would look a bit unbalanced. I've thought of trying out a 60% with dedicated arrow keys like the XD60, but I'm really happy with what I'm using right now—custom Alps PCB dropped in a VA68M case with AEK layout and caps.
The VA68m is such a good looking board, doesn't it have arrows?
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:24:28
TKL: that I own, KUL or Filco 87, that I don't, any OTD TKL
75%: minila
60%: pure for OEM boards, but my LZCE was pretty great.
Post by: davkol on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:41:20
Why that matters? One of the few keyboards that I'm okay with using is an 120key Access-IS keypad. It has 15 columns (the same as a standard 60% keyboard), 8 columns (many more than tenkeyless) and an annoyingly large bezel, which makes it wider than a typical 75% keyboard.
Another example, the ErgoDox. It has mass similar to a tenkeyless keyboard, but with a gap in the middle.
Asking about my favorite full-size keyboard doesn't make much sense, because I don't like full-size keyboards. Some do have features (switches, keycaps, construction) that I like, but I'd rather see those in an entirely different form factor or layout.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:46:56
Full size: Filco 104
TKL: that I own, KUL or Filco 87, that I don't, any OTD TKL
75%: minila
60%: pure for OEM boards, but my LZCE was pretty great.
Thank you, this is a perfect response and exactly what I was looking for. Can't wait to get more responses
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:48:13
I appreciate everyone's responding, but I was actually interested in what boards you guys like at each size, not what your preferred size is
I Prefer in the FULL SIZE category :
Ergodox Sized
I Prefer in the TKL category :
Ergodox Sized
I Prefer in the 40% category :
Ergodox Sized
I Prefer in the 60% category :
Ergodox Sized
I Prefer in the 75% category :
Ergodox Sized
I Prefer in the 80% category :
Ergodox Sized
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Post by: Tactile on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:56:05
TKL: Ducky One RGB - because of the Cherry RGB switches, which are really nice.
[EDIT]
OK - I also have a 55 gram Realforce TKL which I like a whole lot. So... one of those two.
[/EDIT]
Fullsized: no preference
Other: F122 or my TG3, which is hard to explain so here's a photo:
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Post by: flashquark on Sun, 18 June 2017, 14:19:35
Ortho- Let's Split
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 18 June 2017, 14:23:12
Post by: chyros on Sun, 18 June 2017, 16:26:11
100% - NG OmniKey
TKL - none
NL - 5251
75% - none
60% - Apple IIc
40% - none
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 18 June 2017, 16:53:11
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 18 June 2017, 20:30:10
Post by: klennkellon on Sun, 18 June 2017, 21:40:06
Post by: chyros on Mon, 19 June 2017, 00:35:50
Favorite full sized is a hard one. Model M is very good looking but so is the Focus FK-2001. Tie between these two.The 2001 is one of the best-looking boards out there IMO. Always like taking mine out for a spin.
Yes, a numpad is almost essential for me, at least at work.122% - F122
100% - NG OmniKey
TKL - none
NL - 5251
75% - none
60% - Apple IIc
40% - none
I prefer M0110 SKCC over SKCM ambers tbh, but they all loud.
You're a fan of the numperpad I see
I prefer SKCL green to SKCCs, myself. SKCCs are pretty good though.
Post by: SBJ on Mon, 19 June 2017, 03:54:50
TKL - Only really ever had one TKL board and it's a VA87M with tactile gray switches.
40% - None
60%~ - VA68M
75% - None
Post by: Lazylewis on Mon, 19 June 2017, 04:08:35
60% : HHKB
65% : 660C
80% : Filco
100% logitech G15
Post by: _PixelNinja on Mon, 19 June 2017, 05:22:22
• 40% — None
• 60% — PFU HHKB
• 66% — Leopold Mini M or C
• 80% — Leopold FC750R
• 100% — None
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Mon, 19 June 2017, 05:24:53
60% : HHKB - I don't own one, but I love the layout
40% : Planck - I just love it and can't wait until I get one.
I'm not really interested with the other sizes so I never really looked in them.
Post by: moh18one on Mon, 19 June 2017, 05:57:53
Post by: chyros on Mon, 19 June 2017, 05:59:22
Full Size - Model FThere are no fullsize Models F :p .
Post by: SBJ on Mon, 19 June 2017, 06:01:48
Why does that even say F? It should be M.Full Size - Model FThere are no fullsize Models F :p .
I have no excuse. FeelsBadMan.
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 19 June 2017, 07:18:57
TKL - 55g RF
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 June 2017, 07:25:48
60% HHKB
I am now considering to 'upgrade' to an 85, with number-pad and arrows included. I have no regrets being a 60 user, but having dedicated arrows and a number pad will make my typing experience more efficient.
Post by: zutroy on Mon, 19 June 2017, 08:06:27
hey guys, just looking to crowd source some info about different preferences at different board sizes
What is your favorite for each of the standard sizes (Full, TKL, 75, 60, 40) and do you have a favorite for any sizes that fall out of the norm?
I'm excited to see everyone's thoughts
I've used all the standard sizes you've listed except 40% (Planck is the smallest I've gone, and that's a whole different story when it comes to layout), and I've determined that 65% is the sweet spot for me. I rarely use function keys, and on the occasion that I do, they work just fine in the function layer. I do need dedicated arrow keys, however, so the extra "5%" is key. The other navigational keys (insert, delete, pg up, pg down) aren't really necessary for me, but without them, I guess a standard 65% would look a bit unbalanced. I've thought of trying out a 60% with dedicated arrow keys like the XD60, but I'm really happy with what I'm using right now—custom Alps PCB dropped in a VA68M case with AEK layout and caps.
The VA68m is such a good looking board, doesn't it have arrows?
Indeed, it does—that's what I meant by "the extra 5% is key" :)
And since I didn't properly answer your question, here's a simplified version—
60%: I haven't tried it yet, but I think I would really like the XD60. Most 60% don't cut it for me because of lack of dedicated arrows.
65%: VA68M
TKL: I love a basic Filco (with custom caps, of course), but I've also never had the chance to try any expensive custom TKLs.
Full-size: I'm really into the look of 1800 style boards (CPSQ 1800, Leopold FC980 series, Cherry G80-1800), but I don't think I could ever go back to a full-size board.
Post by: zslane on Mon, 19 June 2017, 11:55:09
ANSI 104: Filco Majestouch-2 (runner-up: Topre 104UK Hi-Pro)
ANSI TKL: CM NovaTouch
ANSI 75: Plum Nano 75
ANSI 61: Vortex Pok3r
All other sizes/formats/layouts are just a waste of good metal and plastic as far as I'm concerned. And, in fact, I could easily live with just the RealForce RGB and a 61-key equivalent (if it existed) and never bother with anything else.
Post by: jerue on Mon, 19 June 2017, 12:26:56
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4168/34394694500_1295fa96dc_k.jpg)
OTD 356.2
(https://i.imgur.com/ehH5UUL.jpg)
Cherry G80-3000
(http://i.imgur.com/KxyBHpr.png)
Post by: colbs on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:47:20
Full: unicomp ultra classic (I know a model m gives me more street cred, but I don't have one anymore)
TKL: kbp v80 with matias quiet clicks
75: I don't have any of these
60: nerd60 pcb in a standard layout like the pok3r with 67g zealios
60 again: hhkb type-s, lubed sliders
40: planck, obv
EDIT: although I don't have a 75%, I have the leo fc660c (65%). The layout is fine, but I think insert/delete should be pgUp/pgDn.
And, my favorite board is the ergodox, which doesn't actually fit into any of your categories.
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Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 19 June 2017, 22:56:52
Post by: TomaHok on Tue, 20 June 2017, 00:28:11
Full Size: Unicomp Ultra Classic or a nice quality IBM Model M (Buckling springs feel great and honestly did not find the Unicomp one to have bad casting issues which many complain about)
TKL: Really like the looks of the KUL ES-87, that thicker case appeals to me for some reason. But, I also like the KBParadise V80 because there seems to be some possibility for an aluminum case.
I also would like to try the Cooler Master Novatouch, but cannot find a way to do so :(. The Realforce 87u 55g in black (Plain, understated, but kinda sexy like a Thinkpad) sounds really appealing, but once again, have no experience with topre.
75%: Not too experienced in this segment, but I like the Vortex KBT Race 3. I know the 1.5u esc and del are annoying, but I really like how it staggers the f keys. That case seems a bit thin, but aluminum and dsa caps at that price is really great. Plus, it is possible to get SA Carbon to go on this board, and I was really tempted to buy some extra packs just for this board.
60%: LOVE THE POK3R. I understand it is not necessarily the highest quality sixty percent board ever, but it has an amazing price and has so many small details which I love. The small little incline in the case I find very comfortable with some DSA caps. I really like the dip switches, the dvorak one is a life saver for me as I type in Dvorak, changing caps to fn also makes the arrow keys great to use (Better than dedicated imo) It is also worth noting that this board has great stock keycaps, which seems to be incredibly rare.
40: Do not really know a ton about this segment. I always loved the JD40, mainly because having a full size keyboard is such a small board seems so ridiculous to me.
Sorry for the long write up,but keyboards are just so amazing! I honestly do not remember what I did online before them. Though I hate the constant temptation to buy expensive things.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 20 June 2017, 00:52:45
Full size/size is no object - IBM Model M, the granddaddy.
It's loud, not so great for gaming, and it's MASSIVE... But that feel! And then there is that durability... Even the newest are older than most GH members.
Slim full size - Logitech Illuminated. Very compact for a full size, light, backlit, one of the best scissor switches ever made.
TKL - Filco
It may be no frills and expensive for what it is, but it's extremely well made. There is also aftermarket cases, plates, and controllers which add programability. No, it doesn't have backlighting, but it's a solid base to build what amounts to a completely custom keyboard, without the hassle or risk. Burnt up the controller, broke the case or pcb? You can probably find a used one for a couple bucks. It may take some effort, some parts are in high demand, but at least they exist, try that on a Korean custom that had a limited production run intended for another country.
75% - Vortex Race
I loved the looks of the Limited edition white, however the quality was severely lacking, especially for the price I paid for it. Newer ones are better, and Vortex does offer alternative keycaps, but there may be better options.
65-70% - MagicForce/Qisan
It's basically a Leopold with standard caps at a severely discounted price. Well made other than the stabs being a bit noisy.. If you like blues get it with Outemu Blues and enjoy it for probably 1/3rd the price of anything really comparable.
60% - Only one I have even seen is my GH60 which I have yet to build. It too was an impulse buy.
40% - Not even really interested in them, too many compromises in my opinion.
Laptop - Lenovo Thinkpad, while you can argue over which generation is best, they are almost always better than anything else on the market. Older Apple are pretty good, but some are a bit shallow which is something I never expected to say about a keyboard, my Air is not that great to type on for this reason (on top of the fact that it's very low and flat).
Semi-honorable mention - Surface keyboard, the keys feels better than I ever would have expected and the Alcantara leather feels nice... When new. Alcantara is known for being horrible to clean and it will absorb oils and become a mess.
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 20 June 2017, 09:10:02
65-70%: Leopold FC660C
TKL: CM Novatouch
Full: Model M/Unicomp
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 20 June 2017, 20:12:16
1800 - FC980C
TKL - novatouch
75% - plum nano
split - dactyl
65% - m65-A
60% - HHKB
40% - mechmini
Post by: colbs on Tue, 20 June 2017, 20:15:35
Full - Model MAll the topre sizes....Can't say I disagree though
1800 - FC980C
TKL - novatouch
75% - plum nano
65% - m65-A
60% - HHKB
40% - mechmini
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Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 20 June 2017, 20:19:52
Full - Model MAll the topre sizes....Can't say I disagree though
1800 - FC980C
TKL - novatouch
75% - plum nano
65% - m65-A
60% - HHKB
40% - mechmini
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You gotta have your priorities in order haha
Post by: colbs on Tue, 20 June 2017, 20:23:01
TKL: Really like the looks of the KUL ES-87, that thicker case appeals to me for some reason. But, I also like the KBParadise V80 because there seems to be some possibility for an aluminum case.
I quite like the KUL..It is well built, and the extensive dip switch options are great (in particular I like being able to switch backspace/backslash and control/capsLock). Not many TKLs in this price range that are this customizable out of the box.
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 20 June 2017, 20:31:18
Post by: childofthehorn on Wed, 21 June 2017, 01:14:36
💯 ish : Vintage Cherry 1800 with half-plate mod
80 : none... Is trash size
75 : Plum84 / Choc84
70 : Plum Nano
65 : M65-A (waiting)....or Tada68
60 : HHKB w/Hasu or Zeal60
40 : Van
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Post by: klennkellon on Wed, 21 June 2017, 01:32:58
Issues with the Unicomp molds are inconsistent. Sometimes its great, sometimes it's iffy, sometimes its really bad. Just depends on luck I guess.
I think it happens more with the original "Classic" option since those are likely ancient IBM molds and the "Ultra Classic" uses somewhat newer molds.
Post by: DustGod on Wed, 21 June 2017, 03:02:45
60%: HHKB
TKL: Ducky One RGB - because of the Cherry RGB switches, which are really nice.
[EDIT]
OK - I also have a 55 gram Realforce TKL which I like a whole lot. So... one of those two.
[/EDIT]
Fullsized: no preference
Other: F122 or my TG3, which is hard to explain so here's a photo:
(Attachment Link)
This looks fantastic! I really like this layout.
Post by: Tactile on Wed, 21 June 2017, 07:36:28
60%: HHKB
TKL: Ducky One RGB - because of the Cherry RGB switches, which are really nice.
[EDIT]
OK - I also have a 55 gram Realforce TKL which I like a whole lot. So... one of those two.
[/EDIT]
Fullsized: no preference
Other: F122 or my TG3, which is hard to explain so here's a photo:
(Attachment Link)
This looks fantastic! I really like this layout.
The whole story is here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86219).
Post by: DKrause on Wed, 21 June 2017, 11:45:09
TKL, A cheap, "geezer" branded, $40 Amazon special, with "blue" switches, that's really pretty pleasant to type on.
65% My WhiteFox that I don't have yet, but it can't possibly suck.
60% Pok3r, Cherry Clears, black, heavy. Man, that thing is just awesome to live with everyday.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 21 June 2017, 20:53:44
... TG3, which is hard to explain so here's a photo:
(Attachment Link)
I definitely want to know more about this...???
Edit: Posted this before reading the comment two above it... =/
Post by: pab on Sat, 24 June 2017, 15:29:18
- Full-sized: Leopold FC980{M,C}
Very solid board at a nearly full form factor at the size of a TKL. - TKL: Realforce 87{U,UB} 55g
The cadillac of keyboards. - 75%: Vortex Race 3
A seriously complete package for the price. People might complain about the 1.5 escape and delete keys, but SA Carbon has included compatibility for the Race and I hope more sets follow. - 65%: Whitefox {Vera, TrueFox}
The only 65% board I know of that has a top-layer ~ key, which is important to me. - 60%: HHKB
For similar reasons as the Whitefox. Also the "classic" of the recent generation of keyboards. - 40%: Planck
Seems like the standard for the form-factor.