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Offline sofakng

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Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 14:09:01 »
Hey guys ... I just purchased an IBM Model M (1391401) and I'd like to take it apart for a deep cleaning.

I've removed all of the keys but I didn't realize each "keycap" had a separate blank "key" (not sure the correct term) underneath them.

Are the blank keys interchangeable across the keyboard? I'd like to separate them from the keys and give everything a good wash.

Also, should I use regular dish soap or is there anything better?

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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 14:58:43 »
They're called stems, they're interchangeable.  Regular dish soap is fine.  Let everything soak.
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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 15:06:56 »
I prefer powdered laundry detergent. Sometimes you will have a few light stems in with the dark ones, they are set in specific places at the factory but I use them where they appeal to me aesthetically.
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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 15:22:20 »
Thanks for the help!

I might stop at the grocery store to pickup some powdered laundry detergent.  (I've seen that recommended elsewhere but everybody seems to have their own suggestions too!)

Do you suggest just regular powered tide?

Is soaking for an hour good or do you let it soak overnight?  (in warm, but not hot water?)

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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 15:47:27 »
There's no need to go get something new if you have something around.  Realistically, anything that will get human grime off things will work.   Hell, you could probably let it soak in water with hand soap and it'll work.

The hotness of the water is no big deal.  It's PBT.  It can stand boiling water just fine.  I've put keys in the dishwasher (in a little plastic cage meant for small pieces) and washed them that way.  With the non-heat dry setting.

Letting them soak for a long time is no big deal.  Put them in, go do something else, come back a few hours later.
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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 18:27:32 »
E29 is right, these tough plastics clean easily. Years ago, when my kids were small, I got into using "Charlie's Soap" because it is clean and pure with nothing extraneous in it, and I have never quit. It cleans well and leaves no scent, my go-to laundry mix is 4 parts Charlie's and 1 part Biz (or other oxi-product) and I use it for key caps because it rinses well.

I do think hot water is a good idea because a lot of the dirt is the direct or indirect result of skin or food oils, and oils always soften under heat. And I have found that 10-20 minutes is as good as 10-20 hours.

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We are still a democracy, but the things that make us a democracy are themselves under attack. International IDEA is blunt in pinning the blame where it belongs, calling Donald Trump's attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election "a historic turning point." The Guardian quotes International IDEA Secretary General Kevin Casas-Zamora as he notes that "the increasing tendency to contest credible election results, the efforts to suppress participation (in elections), and the runaway polarization" are among the "most concerning developments," and that Trump's attempted nullification of the election with false claims of fraud “was soon replicated, in different ways, in places as diverse as Myanmar, Peru and Israel."
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Re: Question about cleaning IBM Model M (1391401) (re: keycaps?)
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 20:52:23 »
I've had good results with denture tabs and warm water.  Some of my old keycaps were almost black with grime - it all soaked off nicely, plus they come out smelling very slightly minty (the odour does not linger, by the way).

I also have a bag of stems ranging from black to white, although most are grey.  They are hidden under the keycaps so the colour doesn't really matter.  I do separate the caps from the stems, where possible, when cleaning them.
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