Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:56:20
Update: The designs for the PCB has been migrated to professional company that has been designing PCBs for 25+ years. It has come to my understanding that exercising business, without a legal contract and clear timelines, can be tricky. Permission to run this group buy/preorder has been approved twice. Once upon the inital 20-50 unit run and again when I realized that I needed to move the project to a full production order to fulfill the overwhelming interest and responses from the community. Honestly, after recent events, I was debating whether to cancel the group buy or not. However, I did not want to disappoint the community and break my promise to get these PCBs to you. I am limiting the quantity of the units being made to 200 to ensure fulfillment to my supporters. A second round is uncertain and will not happen unless I get another approval. Thank you guys for your support.
You may order these PCBs here: https://store.projectkeyboard.com/products/preorder-tgr-alice-pcb. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact me.
Hey Everyone,
This is an interest check for a TGR Alice compatible PCB and acrylic case. Yuktsi has graciously provided the files (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95054.msg2661499#msg2661499) and replacement pcbs will be made.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0012/3374/8043/products/alice_PCB_layout_1800x952.png?v=1552038347)http://
PCB IC Form: https://goo.gl/forms/du5ikq150OqvWlnK2 (https://goo.gl/forms/du5ikq150OqvWlnK2)
Specifications:
- TGR Alice compatible PCB
- Powered by ARM MCU
- QMK programmable
No underglowUnderglow soldered- In-switch LED support
- MX & ALPS support
- USB mini (c not possible due to cutouts)
Units: 35 (maximum)Running through a fab
More
Shipping:
I have moved the plates to GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99160.0)
- US proxy
- EU proxy
I have moved the plates to GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99160.0)
More
Plates:
(https://i.imgur.com/6EuioQT.png)
Carbon Fiber (MX Only):
(https://i.imgur.com/6EuioQT.png)
Carbon Fiber (MX Only):
- Specs: 1.5mm matte black w/ twill weave
- MOQ: 10
- Lead: 1mo after GB close (est)
- Specs: 1.5mm clear
- MOQ: 30
- Lead: 1mo after GB close (est)
- Shipped from US
- If you would like to see an ALPs plate added, you will need to provide the file.
- Very likely to run GB of plates first
Update (02/21)
If you plan on making your own acrylic plates here are your options:
Yuktsi's original case files: here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95054.msg2661499#msg2661499)
Or
Lubrigante: A TGR Alice Acrylic Case Revision By Zambumon
(https://i.imgur.com/gc9E3ts.png)
You can find the open source documentation here (https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante), but keep in mind that it is a work in progress.
NOTE: Please do not try the files until this issue is closed (https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante/issues/1). Thanks.
Notes:
- Photo/color is for display purpose at the moment, we will be going over solder mask options later on.
- Would like your feedback on the alps support layout of the PCB.
- Underglow support added.
- I will post more updates soon.
Thanks,
159 (http://projectkeyboard.com)
Updates:
01/21: Requested quotes for PC & CF plates
01/25: PCB units increased, added ALPs support to PCB
01/25: Plate MOQ added, PC changed to clear (lead + qc decision), waiting for CF sample (est. 3 weeks)
01/27: Plate IC has been moved to https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98385.0 which will hold the GB thread.
02/21: PCB Design complete. Acrylic cases added.
03/03: Withdrawn Acrylic case from gb due to QC/Fulfillment discrepancies.
Responses to Questions/Comments submitted:
C: Wish that it included support for in-switch LED.
R: Sorry, but I would like to keep the costs low as possible for this run.
C: Anodized aluminum plates please.
R: I want us to hit the best MOQ prices. Offering too many option may reduce MOQ breaks.
C: Would prefer if it wasn't green and, shedding as much outer perimeter pcb that isn't needed.
R: I would like to keep the pcb shape as close to the original as possible. For color, if it doesn't affect the cost and majority wants a specific color we can look into it.
C: Would it be possible to add iso left shift and maybe a type of iso enter. Could be a numpad enter.
R: I would prefer not to change the original design.
C: Pls make hotswap.
R: More parts, more monies. DIY hotswap solutions are available.
C: Make it as bare bones as possible to keep costs down.
R: Yup, that is the plan.
C: If you could make an alps compatible version... omg.
R: Yes, I spoke to Maarten and he has agreed to add ALPs support to the pcb.
C: Would it be possible to just get the pcb?
R: Absolutely. You are not obligated to bundle the pcb and plate.
Post by: dimo on Sun, 20 January 2019, 12:57:55
I’ll get a PC plate as well if they both happen
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:01:57
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:04:06
Post by: forumusername on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:08:54
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:16:18
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:30:08
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:30:50
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:30:57
Yes pls
I’ll get a PC plate as well if they both happen
I have a carbon fiber one being produced atm. If you guys are interested I can add as an option.
Post by: CrazyNun on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:31:19
Post by: dimo on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:32:21
Yes pls
I’ll get a PC plate as well if they both happen
I have a carbon fiber one being produced atm. If you guys are interested I can add as an option.
is that uncorrelated with puddsy’s?
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Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:40:12
Yes pls
I’ll get a PC plate as well if they both happen
I have a carbon fiber one being produced atm. If you guys are interested I can add as an option.
is that uncorrelated with puddsy’s?
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Correct. I am getting a personal plate made for myself and will check qc when it arrives. I would not consider it as an alternative to Puddsy's IC yet and I will be communicating with him to make sure that I am not interfering with his IC.
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:42:53
So youre saying if I get this PCB
The case/plate files are available for printing
I can essentially make my own Alice?
Post by: gabbbe on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:46:23
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Post by: DasGnome on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:47:49
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:56:02
Wait a minute
So youre saying if I get this PCB
The case/plate files are available for printing
I can essentially make my own Alice?
I am not familiar with the printed cases. This PCB will be tested and fitted only to the one from the group buy.
Post by: digitaldeadroses on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:00:15
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:08:53
What if I told you I had already done it...
Would you be willing to run a group buy?
Post by: digitaldeadroses on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:13:52
What if I told you I had already done it...
Would you be willing to run a group buy?
That has been my plan, I just finished putting together the first one today and have it all flashed in QMK, just was gonna clean up the code a bit then get it added.
Seems I got beat to the punch on the IC side of things!
Post by: redbanshee on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:21:32
Post by: . on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:22:24
What if I told you I had already done it...Then I would say it's a nice project, well done :thumb:
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:28:54
What if I told you I had already done it...
Would you be willing to run a group buy?
That has been my plan, I just finished putting together the first one today and have it all flashed in QMK, just was gonna clean up the code a bit then get it added.
Seems I got beat to the punch on the IC side of things!
Congrats! Having more options is better for the community ;)
Post by: digitaldeadroses on Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:39:50
Great minds think alike it seems!
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 20 January 2019, 15:17:42
Post by: CrazyNun on Sun, 20 January 2019, 15:22:42
Post by: boxfrommoon on Sun, 20 January 2019, 15:39:33
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:33:24
PC plates will probably happen with this GB instead of my own because I am lazy and onefiftynine offered to do it.
I will get quotes based on your last update from the thread:
40 polycarbonate
15 carbon fiber
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 20 January 2019, 17:17:17
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 20 January 2019, 17:24:42
Post by: idlemao on Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:48:02
Post by: patch on Sun, 20 January 2019, 20:21:07
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I haven't built on it yet, so I'm not 100% if its durable. Let me know what to look for to check if its viable.
Thanks boys!
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:32:55
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:34:27
PC plates will probably happen with this GB instead of my own because I am lazy and onefiftynine offered to do it.
I will get quotes based on your last update from the thread:
40 polycarbonate
15 carbon fiber
It's basically the same still
Post by: typischt on Sun, 20 January 2019, 23:52:45
Post by: ablehart on Mon, 21 January 2019, 05:37:33
Post by: kmfmppl on Mon, 21 January 2019, 05:53:34
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:16:11
Post by: azharkh on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:12:37
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Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:13:35
How thick is the polycarbonate plate going to be?
1.5mm i imagine
Post by: onefivenine on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:56:47
How thick is the polycarbonate plate going to be?
1.5mm i imagine
Yup, will be getting quotes for 1.5mm plates.
Post by: onefivenine on Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:50:43
Post by: Taeha Types on Tue, 22 January 2019, 00:19:26
Post by: nulltorious on Tue, 22 January 2019, 03:58:46
Post by: Lormania on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:04:14
Post by: rossfromfriends on Tue, 22 January 2019, 14:31:51
Post by: fireworm on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:42:03
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
Post by: dimo on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:42:53
Post by: gorbachev on Tue, 22 January 2019, 21:55:47
Post by: airyimbin on Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:17:46
I am so in for this.
Post by: SBN on Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:32:12
Post by: vikipedeer on Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:16:20
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:24:50
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:39:05
Is this still going to be limited to 20 orders only?
I am so in for this.
For this run, we would like to limit orders to 1 pcb per person. Maximum total units to about 30-40 to keep qc tight. No limit to plates though.
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:45:13
Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:46:27
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it
i can send you the info if you'd like
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:56:28
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it
i can send you the info if you'd like
I'll hit you up on discord
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:44:01
Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it
i can send you the info if you'd like
Thanks. I think I have the file actually. Just wanna find somewhere uk/eu that'll do poly.
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 23 January 2019, 16:48:55
Puddsy just pointed me to a shop that can do clear PC. I'll set up a poll to see what people are in favor of. One off pc plates are usually pricey so check back if you don't find a spot that can't do it for a reasonable price.Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
i was gonna do clear PC, it's fairly easy to find a place that'll waterjet it
i can send you the info if you'd like
Thanks. I think I have the file actually. Just wanna find somewhere uk/eu that'll do poly.
Post by: dimo on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:55:49
Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:05:21
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?
Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around
at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me
Post by: dimo on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:06:39
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?
Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around
at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me
tyty, that sounds great.
Time to cerakote in the mean time :]
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:07:31
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?
Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around
at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me
tyty, that sounds great.
Time to cerakote in the mean time :]
that's a mistake but live your life
Post by: dimo on Wed, 23 January 2019, 20:08:26
Estimates on lead time for when the plate would be in my hands?
Might hold off on building mine for a while if this can have a relatively quick turn around
at least 6-8 weeks from now from what he's said to me
tyty, that sounds great.
Time to cerakote in the mean time :]
that's a mistake but live your life
oof, any specific reason other than destroying the original ano?
i’ll pm you on disc cus I don’t wanna spam this thread
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 23 January 2019, 21:45:39
Time to cerakote in the mean time :]
$700 cerakote job
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/341/938/73a)
Post by: Cktenders on Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:24:04
Post by: fireworm on Thu, 24 January 2019, 22:09:04
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 24 January 2019, 23:16:24
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 25 January 2019, 00:08:08
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.
+1 for ALPS. I would love to use the dual compatible hole setup like bakingpy does for his boards on keeb.io
Post by: onefivenine on Fri, 25 January 2019, 16:35:12
Is it possible for me to design the alps plate and submit as part your order, and buy, say 5 / 10 myself?Could you make the PCB Alps compatible?This is a possibility that I am discussing with Maarten. It would not affect the cost of the pcb. However, I will not be providing plates to support alps.
...Or could you make an Alps PCB?Yes please I still want a poly plate. And please make it clear not frosted!
Sorry, getting PC clear is a pain in the ass and there's a reason nobody is doing. It's a bit tricky but you can give it a shot by polishing it ;)
Will need to ask Maarten if he is able to add alps compat. I sent you a PM.
+1 for ALPS. I would love to use the dual compatible hole setup like bakingpy does for his boards on keeb.io
ALPS support added for PCB.
Current plates are MX plates only. If you want ALPs plate option, you will need to provide file.
Also, I am likely going to run plates first. Soon.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:42:20
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:52:11
I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:54:05
I'd agree here. I think it's better to have two separate plates.I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
Post by: . on Sun, 27 January 2019, 02:29:20
I'd agree here. I think it's better to have two separate plates.I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
So do I. Alps plates are supposed to be 1.2mm, not 1.5mm.
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Sun, 27 January 2019, 02:38:46
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:32:07
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
EDIT : ... Yes.
Anyway, dual should be fine for a proto since we don't have an alps pcb to test alignment...?
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:34:04
You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 10:41:58
K.You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...
And I think alps stabs are terrible...
Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 27 January 2019, 11:22:44
And I think alpsstabsare terrible...
True
Post by: Lormania on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:39:22
Post by: txclack on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:45:01
I'll grab 1 extra PCB too, just to have a spare.
Exciting stuff here.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:47:30
K.You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...
And I think alps stabs are terrible...
Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...
why would anyone use platemount stabs on a board like an alice, no need to support that either
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:51:22
There are pcb mount alps stabs?K.You mean "use the dedicated alps plate", right?I've developed an alps and an alps / mx hybrid plate.
Does anyone have an acrylic cutter / 3d printer?
If so, verifying the hybrid plate is compatible with mx switches, the pcb, and stabilizers would be perfect.
We can either use it, or the exclusive alps plate.
DM me for the plate eps files...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/1b5254fb35716f8410275980cb897b44.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/6a5b8b77387c445439b618d9932c1f55.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190127/a9811eaa8515388e431ab550ec68a42a.jpg)
those cutouts are prone to twisting with plate mount MX switches, would not buy if they were used
LZ has used them in the past
better to have two separate plates in this case
In other words, no hybrid MX/Alps cutouts - yeah. One plate dedicated for MX, one for Alps.
What about the mx / costar cutouts? They seem to have the same '+' issue, too...
And I think alps stabs are terrible...
Edit: I also worry about not getting enough folks interested for alps plates, if they are by themselves. I think five or ten would sell, tops...
why would anyone use platemount stabs on a board like an alice, no need to support that either
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 12:53:35
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:03:16
Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
Post by: dimo on Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:04:13
99066 not 99166
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:12:16
Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:14:47
Has the link for the GB for plates
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 13:37:05
Puddys you posted a dead link in your original thread I believe.
99066 not 99166
nope it's just not approved yet
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:22:37
Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.
I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:26:56
Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.
I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
this is the correct path
trying to please everyone will end in you pleasing no one
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:29:20
Sigh. OK, I'll redo with alps stabs...Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.
I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
In either case, I need a proto to verify things are OK. Or just someone to double check things, so I'm not the only one with my head in my ass...
(I made the plate by taking the yuksti plate, taking an alps-mx cutout plus alps cutout grouped, aligned that with the original mx cutout, then removed both the mx and alps-mx. Not sure on tolerance though...)
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:30:37
... But I'd be pleased most with Nexus slider'd brown alps in an Alice.Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.
I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
this is the correct path
trying to please everyone will end in you pleasing no one
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:30:57
Sigh. OK, I'll redo with alps stabs...Alps stabs superior to costar?Costar is the only hybrid stab (both mx and alps) I know... Otherwise only mx stabs (pcb clip, pcb screw)...?
If you're going to support Alps, I would do traditional plate mount cuts for the clips + wire. Avoid hybrids altogether :/
agree
News to me...
Personally I'm gonna use Nexus sliders, so some mx compat is nice. Thus costar?
Moreso than superior, it's that most Alps users will use keycaps and stabilizers directly from the boards that they come from. e.g. SGI Granite, AEK, or Dell AT101, etc. And the problem with plate-mount Alps stabilizers is solvable. It may be slightly more tedious but it's not difficult.
I still think that dedicated plates, without hybridization on the plate(s), are the way to go if Alps support will be present.
In either case, I need a proto to verify things are OK. Or just someone to double check things, so I'm not the only one with my head in my ass...
(I made the plate by taking the yuksti plate, taking an alps-mx cutout plus alps cutout grouped, aligned that with the original mx cutout, then removed both the mx and alps-mx. Not sure on tolerance though...)
Here's a link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0) to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:33:40
Here's a link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0) to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.
Thanks.
I've been using the dxf's from swillkb, and some copy pasting in Illustrator... Which seems to be OK enough.
If no one wants to help, I can just laser some acrylic on ponoko for $30 and see myself, but that will take a week or two for turnaround...
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:15:49
Here's a link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0) to some reference plates you could use -- they of course aren't for Alice specifically, but the cutouts have been tested.
Thanks.
I've been using the dxf's from swillkb, and some copy pasting in Illustrator... Which seems to be OK enough.
If no one wants to help, I can just laser some acrylic on ponoko for $30 and see myself, but that will take a week or two for turnaround...
(https://i.imgur.com/s3uxaVM.png)
Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].
I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:19:01
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3uxaVM.png)
Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].
I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...
Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:26:23
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3uxaVM.png)
Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].
I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...
Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.
Correct. Sorry I didn't add details.
First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.
Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:30:58
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3uxaVM.png)
Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].
I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...
Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.
Correct. Sorry I didn't add details.
First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.
Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.
If Costar stabs are reliable, and readily available, it would be a good option. As long as they can be compatible with original Alps keycaps from old boards.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:36:40
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3uxaVM.png)
Welp, Alps Stabs won't offer a choice for either [split backspace / 2u backspace] or [split R shift / 2.75u R shift].
I personally like both keys split, because I put backspace on the R Thumb key...
Neither the first nor second on that picture seem feasible, since the clip wouldn't be able to, well, clip onto the plate.
Correct. Sorry I didn't add details.
First picture is with [two 1u] and [one 2u] with alps stabs.
Second picture is [one 1.75u + 1u] and a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Third picture is just a [2.75u] with alps stabs.
Costar stabs fix this, since they go all the way to the top of the slot.
If Costar stabs are reliable, and readily available, it would be a good option. As long as they can be compatible with original Alps keycaps from old boards.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57458.0
Looks like a small mod would be in order. But we could provide that to anyone who buys the pcb??
Post by: OfTheWild on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:13:21
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:16:59
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.
I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:24:36
OK.Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.
I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
Do you want split backspace?
Do you want split right shift?
Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
Post by: Pemdas on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:56:28
Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))
Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 27 January 2019, 18:30:44
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7HiZ1Fp.jpg)
Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))
Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
That looks great! How are the tolerances?
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 18:43:40
....OK.Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.
I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
Do you want split backspace?
Do you want split right shift?
Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
Or I'll just provide some files and other folks can sort it out themselves....
Post by: Pemdas on Sun, 27 January 2019, 19:25:57
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7HiZ1Fp.jpg)
Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))
Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
That looks great! How are the tolerances?
Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:58:21
Mx stabs though?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7HiZ1Fp.jpg)
Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))
Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
That looks great! How are the tolerances?
Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter
Post by: Pemdas on Sun, 27 January 2019, 21:39:35
Mx stabs though?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7HiZ1Fp.jpg)
Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))
Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
That looks great! How are the tolerances?
Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter
Yup, I'm going to be using the Alps Throwback set for keycaps and they use mx style stabs.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96448.0
Post by: gabbbe on Mon, 28 January 2019, 18:59:59
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Post by: fireworm on Mon, 28 January 2019, 19:39:51
....OK.Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.
I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.
I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
Do you want split backspace?
Do you want split right shift?
Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
Or I'll just provide some files and other folks can sort it out themselves....
Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:
Prototype mx / alps in acrylic.
Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers.
If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).
I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev. But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!
Post by: gabbbe on Fri, 01 February 2019, 15:31:00
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Post by: weaston on Fri, 01 February 2019, 17:13:36
Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:
Prototype mx / alps in acrylic.
Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers.
If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).
I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev. But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!
Just wanted to say to not get split backspace and split right shift alps plates cause the only people who will have the sets needed for that are the real alps hoarders or people using mx stab alps sets which are few and far between. Getting standard backspace and shift will make them easier to offload after you confirm your fitments.
Post by: fireworm on Fri, 01 February 2019, 18:41:02
Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:
Prototype mx / alps in acrylic.
Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers.
If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).
I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev. But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!
Just wanted to say to not get split backspace and split right shift alps plates cause the only people who will have the sets needed for that are the real alps hoarders or people using mx stab alps sets which are few and far between. Getting standard backspace and shift will make them easier to offload after you confirm your fitments.
That right there is the conflict that Alps fundamentally presents, due to the stabilizer issues. I can't have both [money] and [the plate I want]. :P
Post by: Lormania on Sat, 02 February 2019, 13:50:49
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:17:12
I would love split backspace and split right shift alps compatibility :)
(https://i.imgur.com/EHrYIe9.png)
As it is just one PCB, I think it was implied that it was going to have split right shift and backspace for alps too.
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 03 February 2019, 16:25:05
I would love split backspace and split right shift alps compatibility :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EHrYIe9.png)
As it is just one PCB, I think it was implied that it was going to have split right shift and backspace for alps too.
Pcb support is the easier part. The alps plate can't satisfy everyone though, due to the alps stabs...
Post by: kw88 on Mon, 04 February 2019, 19:05:29
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:19:23
Post by: hamilton on Wed, 06 February 2019, 17:12:32
Post by: crykn on Thu, 07 February 2019, 09:13:30
Post by: airyimbin on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:59:58
I would absolutely be down to get a PCB, hopefully it's not limited to 20 units. And if it doesn't affect cost, I think Black would be a good color for the PCB.
He said 30-40
Is this still going to be limited to 20 orders only?
I am so in for this.
For this run, we would like to limit orders to 1 pcb per person. Maximum total units to about 30-40 to keep qc tight. No limit to plates though.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:01:18
Post by: romevi on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:03:19
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:06:19
Any chance you can make one for the Jane v1?
DONE: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96501.0
Get it here: https://hineybush.com/pcbs
Post by: reidd on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:14:46
Post by: kw88 on Fri, 08 February 2019, 01:32:13
Units: 35 (maximum)
What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 08 February 2019, 02:41:37
Units: 35 (maximum)
What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.
hand assembly and QC
getting presoldered PCBs in quantities under 50 or 100 is generally prohibitively expensive
considering that there are only 60 or so alices in existence, it's not inefficient to limit to a certain number to keep costs down
Post by: clasicks on Tue, 12 February 2019, 19:06:33
Post by: onefivenine on Wed, 13 February 2019, 01:55:49
Units: 35 (maximum)
What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.
hand assembly and QC
getting presoldered PCBs in quantities under 50 or 100 is generally prohibitively expensive
considering that there are only 60 or so alices in existence, it's not inefficient to limit to a certain number to keep costs down
Puddsy's right as the limit on the pcb is due to hand soldering.
i ordered a plate, so want to keep an eye on this too - anyway we could get shipping to line up if we already have plate ordered or is the timeline way different?
Timeline would not match up and I didn't want to hold up any people on the plates that was in IC months before I posted about PCBs. If anyone wants to wait for their PCB to ship together, I will definitely ship them together but I can't promise the timeline for that yet.
Post by: dangboy on Wed, 13 February 2019, 02:27:50
wooden alice soonTM
Post by: romevi on Thu, 14 February 2019, 01:41:06
Any chance you can make one for the Jane v1?
DONE: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96501.0
Get it here: https://hineybush.com/pcbs
Oh, snap! Thank you!!!
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 17 February 2019, 14:57:34
Stay tuned and I will post a major update of the project SOON™
Post by: Lormania on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:04:04
Just dropping in to let you guys know that we are reviewing all the interest & feedback and working out some details.
Stay tuned and I will post a major update of the project SOON™
!!!
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 21 February 2019, 07:36:55
Post by: airyimbin on Thu, 21 February 2019, 08:03:00
Is it screw-in or snap-in style?
Post by: Starston3 on Thu, 21 February 2019, 08:23:17
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 21 February 2019, 08:36:32
Is the plate going to be 3mm? 5mm? 1.5mm with a support plate?
Post by: Legoo on Thu, 21 February 2019, 09:15:14
Post by: CrazyNun on Thu, 21 February 2019, 09:18:41
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 21 February 2019, 09:31:27
What style of stabs do the PCB support?PCB supports both.
Is it screw-in or snap-in style?
In.Initial post contains a link to the documentation to the acrylic case that is a work in progress.
Is the plate going to be 3mm? 5mm? 1.5mm with a support plate?
I know it's probably too much to ask....but, with the acyrlic case design/cad files is there any chance the design can be tweaked to resemble the outer shape of the OG Alice? It's looking great rn, but i reckon it would be even better if it wasn't rectangular, but close to the dynamic shape of the original...just a thought and a personal preference, i've no idea what people on here would actually prefer.This group buy is meant to obtain parts based on the Yuktsi's original files: replacement pcb, plates, and the acrylic case. We are not trying to replicate or clone the alu version of Alice by TGR.
Post by: gorbachev on Thu, 21 February 2019, 11:57:27
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Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 21 February 2019, 15:06:45
Post by: hamilton on Thu, 21 February 2019, 16:15:30
Post by: swangful on Thu, 21 February 2019, 16:20:41
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Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 21 February 2019, 17:04:04
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Thu, 21 February 2019, 17:35:39
Post by: sarsaparillagorilla on Thu, 21 February 2019, 17:54:37
Oh wow I'm a loser. I mean....
I still want the keyboard.
Post by: AaronR on Thu, 21 February 2019, 19:25:27
Post by: . on Thu, 21 February 2019, 19:58:42
Could we get a usb c pcb for the new case?No we can not, because it would have to fit in its original case as well.
Post by: comdata55 on Thu, 21 February 2019, 21:34:50
Post by: turbo_tim on Fri, 22 February 2019, 01:08:57
Post by: heycheeeno on Fri, 22 February 2019, 03:39:04
oh man, this is amazing. was sourcing my own case but now i don't have to!
I was pretty much doing the same thing (was going to take the cad files and alter them to my tastes) but if the acrylic case turns out good, I’ll join that too.
Post by: tomu on Sat, 23 February 2019, 00:28:14
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Post by: comdata55 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 07:57:27
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Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 23 February 2019, 08:14:03
So do we need a plate for the acrylic case?
no
Post by: comdata55 on Sat, 23 February 2019, 08:46:34
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Post by: kchlam on Sat, 23 February 2019, 12:24:28
Post by: Cloudnine25 on Sun, 24 February 2019, 02:26:43
Interested in Lubrigante :thumb:
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 24 February 2019, 09:28:16
Are acrylic cases limited quantity?
Interested in Lubrigante :thumb:
If you miss the group buy you can make on yourself and order one on Sculpteo, like I'm doing at the moment. It will be more expensive, tho. https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante
Post by: clasicks on Sun, 24 February 2019, 10:58:39
PCB form where? Can I get on a mailing list somehow?
Post by: gabbbe on Sun, 24 February 2019, 11:00:07
Nice!
PCB form where? Can I get on a mailing list somehow?
Same here! Really really down for this
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Post by: . on Sun, 24 February 2019, 11:27:32
Nice!The PCB for this is a custom design by me, based on the files from the designer of the original. Follow this IC to stay up to date.
PCB form where? Can I get on a mailing list somehow?
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 24 February 2019, 12:27:48
I did a similar thing, but I combined the top and bottom pieces to make it two part construction. And I heavily reshaped the outside edges. The PCB is the only missing part for me.Are acrylic cases limited quantity?
Interested in Lubrigante :thumb:
If you miss the group buy you can make on yourself and order one on Sculpteo, like I'm doing at the moment. It will be more expensive, tho. https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Sun, 24 February 2019, 17:43:09
Also, is this related in any way to that Cheshire keyboard on r/mk?
Reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ai41if/cheshire/
Post by: onefivenine on Mon, 25 February 2019, 08:36:42
I'm in for a new keeb.
Also, is this related in any way to that Cheshire keyboard on r/mk?
Reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ai41if/cheshire/
Nope, no relation to the Cheshire.
Post by: crykn on Mon, 25 February 2019, 08:44:00
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Post by: sarsaparillagorilla on Mon, 25 February 2019, 12:41:54
Post by: KorbenDallas on Mon, 25 February 2019, 13:26:26
Post by: airyimbin on Mon, 25 February 2019, 13:51:43
Also I'm assuming that news for both group buys will be posted here?
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Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 25 February 2019, 15:48:46
Do we have an ETA on the PCB and Case?
Also I'm assuming that news for both group buys will be posted here?
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At least for the case, I should be able to test the pieces in a 4 layer 5mm configuration by the end of the week. I know the guys at Homerow are also working on a prototype case at the moment.
Post by: The_Royal on Mon, 25 February 2019, 16:24:03
Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 25 February 2019, 18:17:47
Or two.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Mon, 25 February 2019, 18:43:49
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 26 February 2019, 08:38:17
Keep in mind, from what I saw on MrKeeb’s stream with the 5mm acrylic plate layer, you can’t use screw in stabilizers. You need PCB mount, flush stabs. Or if you go into CAD and extrude that layer, you can add cutouts like the Zephyr plate has.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 26 February 2019, 10:47:41
Yuktsi posted open source version of the acrylic case files in the Alice GB thread. Zambumon modifies them keeping it 4 parts, each 5mm thick. I modified them into a two part construction with integrated plate on the top half. Mine can’t be laser cut like Yuktsi’s or even CNC’d if you use acrylic. I’ve been spending months and a lot of money finding a manufacturer that can satisfactorily even make a one off for me, so Yuktsi’s files or Zambumon are the way to go for now.Thank you for the detailed explanation! Also, sorry, I totally botched your username in my post. Hmmm I was never a fan of the acrylic stack style cases, guess I'll have to see how much they'll be for this GB before i determine if I'll join. One last question, did you mean plate mount stabs? Or none screw in pcb stabs?
Keep in mind, from what I saw on MrKeeb’s stream with the 5mm acrylic plate layer, you can’t use screw in stabilizers. You need PCB mount, flush stabs. Or if you go into CAD and extrude that layer, you can add cutouts like the Zephyr plate has.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 26 February 2019, 10:59:04
Post by: jizzaztartist on Wed, 27 February 2019, 08:42:00
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 27 February 2019, 19:37:51
Yuktsi posted open source version of the acrylic case files in the Alice GB thread. Zambumon modifies them keeping it 4 parts, each 5mm thick. I modified them into a two part construction with integrated plate on the top half. Mine can’t be laser cut like Yuktsi’s or even CNC’d if you use acrylic. I’ve been spending months and a lot of money finding a manufacturer that can satisfactorily even make a one off for me, so Yuktsi’s files or Zambumon are the way to go for now.
Keep in mind, from what I saw on MrKeeb’s stream with the 5mm acrylic plate layer, you can’t use screw in stabilizers. You need PCB mount, flush stabs. Or if you go into CAD and extrude that layer, you can add cutouts like the Zephyr plate has.
How about some 1.5mm metal layer options?
Low profile: 1) 1.5mm metal switch plate, 2) 3.5mm acrylic spacer, 3) PCB, 4) 5mm acrylic spacer, 5) 1.5mm metal bottom or 5mm acrylic bottom.
High profile: Add 0) acrylic keycap surround layer.
Or maybe I am making this too complicated?
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 27 February 2019, 20:05:33
Yuktsi posted open source version of the acrylic case files in the Alice GB thread. Zambumon modifies them keeping it 4 parts, each 5mm thick. I modified them into a two part construction with integrated plate on the top half. Mine can’t be laser cut like Yuktsi’s or even CNC’d if you use acrylic. I’ve been spending months and a lot of money finding a manufacturer that can satisfactorily even make a one off for me, so Yuktsi’s files or Zambumon are the way to go for now.
Keep in mind, from what I saw on MrKeeb’s stream with the 5mm acrylic plate layer, you can’t use screw in stabilizers. You need PCB mount, flush stabs. Or if you go into CAD and extrude that layer, you can add cutouts like the Zephyr plate has.
How about some 1.5mm metal layer options?
Low profile: [1] 1.5mm metal switch plate, [2] 3.5mm acrylic spacer, [3] PCB, [4] 5mm acrylic spacer, [5] 1.5mm metal bottom or 5mm acrylic bottom.
High profile: Add
- acrylic keycap surround layer.
Or maybe I am making this too complicated.
Wait until I test the design, I've a 6x 3mm layer version, which should be easier to laser cut.
Post by: crykn on Thu, 28 February 2019, 10:39:23
Yuktsi posted open source version of the acrylic case files in the Alice GB thread. Zambumon modifies them keeping it 4 parts, each 5mm thick. I modified them into a two part construction with integrated plate on the top half. Mine can’t be laser cut like Yuktsi’s or even CNC’d if you use acrylic. I’ve been spending months and a lot of money finding a manufacturer that can satisfactorily even make a one off for me, so Yuktsi’s files or Zambumon are the way to go for now.
Keep in mind, from what I saw on MrKeeb’s stream with the 5mm acrylic plate layer, you can’t use screw in stabilizers. You need PCB mount, flush stabs. Or if you go into CAD and extrude that layer, you can add cutouts like the Zephyr plate has.
How about some 1.5mm metal layer options?
Low profile: [1] 1.5mm metal switch plate, [2] 3.5mm acrylic spacer, [3] PCB, [4] 5mm acrylic spacer, [5] 1.5mm metal bottom or 5mm acrylic bottom.
High profile: Add
- acrylic keycap surround layer.
Or maybe I am making this too complicated.
Wait until I test the design, I've a 6x 3mm layer version, which should be easier to laser cut.
I think a 6x3mm would be a really cool opportunity to do clear acrylic, except for the integrated plate and use laser cut brass for that. Although that might not be in the interest of this GB.
If you guys don't want to do that, for the 6x3mm option, people could always have their own plates laser cut since it's open source.
Post by: djmantis on Thu, 28 February 2019, 17:51:29
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Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 01 March 2019, 01:52:47
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Post by: onefivenine on Fri, 01 March 2019, 20:29:28
Oh man, I'm definitely interested. Once I saw there were cases too, I went ahead and picked up a plate. SO IN.
The acrylic alice comes with an integrated plate. You do not need to buy a separate plate. Shoot me a PM or email me at contact@projectkeyboard.com.
Post by: krey on Fri, 01 March 2019, 21:24:09
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Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:10:03
I have some good news and bad news.
Starting with the bad news:
Our goals for the acrylic board did not align so I will be pulling myself from the acrylic boards for this group buy. Keebs may or may not continue production of these, but nonetheless I feel that fulfillment and quality control of these might be too complex for me as we are geographically located on other sides of the world.
Good news:
Prototypes for the PCB are on its way to me as we speak, and we will be hand soldering (God bless our souls) so we can test these out before we start the group buy. The actual production of these PCBs will be sourced to fab that can solder all the components for us, while we port it to QMK and create a default hex.
I know that many of you wanted to test the layout by ordering the acrylic alice and I apologize that I would be pulling these board from the group buy. However, there are many alternative options that can get you the acrylic boards. If you have a local shop that can laser cut acrylic or you can check out ponoko.com to have them cut for you. Both of these are relatively inexpensive options.
Post by: jizzaztartist on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:24:08
Post by: onefivenine on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:30:27
Can I cancel my order of a PC plate from your other buy in light of this case being dropped?
You didn't need a plate for the acrylic case. The acrylic board has an integrated plate.
(https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante/raw/master/misc/alice_case_acrylic_guidelines.png)
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 04 March 2019, 04:45:51
Post by: onefivenine on Mon, 04 March 2019, 05:30:12
rip, hopefully a new ic will pop up for the acrylic board for news to follow.
The 3D files are readily available. I have confidence that you guys can submit them and get it cut for you.
Try: https://www.formulor.de/
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 04 March 2019, 12:38:49
rip, hopefully a new ic will pop up for the acrylic board for news to follow.
The 3D files are readily available. I have confidence that you guys can submit them and get it cut for you.
Try: https://www.formulor.de/
Please do not try the files until this issue is closed (https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante/issues/1). Thanks.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 March 2019, 15:10:40
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 04 March 2019, 16:43:06
rip, hopefully a new ic will pop up for the acrylic board for news to follow.
The 3D files are readily available. I have confidence that you guys can submit them and get it cut for you.
Try: https://www.formulor.de/
Please do not try the files until this issue is closed (https://github.com/Zambumon/Lubrigante/issues/1). Thanks.
Thanks for the heads up
Post by: mikebmc on Wed, 06 March 2019, 22:25:37
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 06 March 2019, 23:16:21
Is it too late to get in on this gb?
considering it hasn't started yet no
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 March 2019, 01:50:51
Post by: djmantis on Thu, 07 March 2019, 09:55:21
So is this just pcbs now, since the acrylic case has been dropped? Or am I understanding this wrong?The GB is now PCB only. However, Zambumon is working to open source and prototype an acrylic case. You would then be able to use these files to create your own case through a local or online laser cutting shop.
Post by: H3NT4I on Thu, 07 March 2019, 10:59:01
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 07 March 2019, 13:12:38
(https://i.imgur.com/7cIL3DU.jpg)
Post by: gabbbe on Thu, 07 March 2019, 13:14:41
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7cIL3DU.jpg)
Hyped
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Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 March 2019, 18:08:58
So is this just pcbs now, since the acrylic case has been dropped? Or am I understanding this wrong?The GB is now PCB only. However, Zambumon is working to open source and prototype an acrylic case. You would then be able to use these files to create your own case through a local or online laser cutting shop.
Thank you for the clarification. Did the original include a plate as well, or was it just PCB mounted?
Post by: blizzara01 on Thu, 07 March 2019, 18:13:14
Integrated plate I believeSo is this just pcbs now, since the acrylic case has been dropped? Or am I understanding this wrong?The GB is now PCB only. However, Zambumon is working to open source and prototype an acrylic case. You would then be able to use these files to create your own case through a local or online laser cutting shop.
Thank you for the clarification. Did the original include a plate as well, or was it just PCB mounted?
Post by: onefivenine on Fri, 08 March 2019, 04:03:14
Post by: onefivenine on Fri, 08 March 2019, 04:07:13