[IC] Noxary 280 & 220

[xondat]

This is kinda unrelated, but will we see an x60 v2 anytime soon?

If this goes how I'd like it to, it'll be after

[p_blaze]

I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

[xondat]

I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches

[SpectreiiI]

I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches

I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.

[xondat]

I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches

I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.

That's nice, but I'm not interested in buying your assets.

[SpectreiiI]

I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches

I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.

That's nice, but I'm not interested in buying your assets.

You lost me.

[xondat]

Still not a dead project )

I went with the bottom 220 weight. The other 3 280 weights are the 3 different variants.

Just waiting to order the prototypes and then will run the buy after that. Prototypes should take 2 weeks, so maybe end of this month for GB start?

[phorx]

I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.

[xondat]

I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.

Thanks!



By the way, if I think anyone is going to flip, you'll receive a special top piece

[sony]

I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.

Thanks!



By the way, if I think anyone is going to flip, you'll receive a special top piece

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I'm sold. Give me one.

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[xondat]

I've mentioned in the 208 IC, so I'll put it here too:

Noxary Discord Server

I mainly use it for group buy communication and future project communication. Some thing just aren't worth posting on GH, so they'll go here

Feel free to join to get those really small updates )

[xondat]

Final final final versions.

I'm happy with it. Hope everyone else will be

[BillyTheMute]

I'm happy with it. Hope everyone else will be

I love it. 

[phorx]

I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  )

[kevinzavier]

I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  )

So the 280 is the regular option with either wk or wkl, and plate options as well as multiple color options. 280s is a split weight and numbered edition with unlimited color options. And 280t is basically a limited version that is only wkl, red plate, 2 case colors,  and IS CHEAPER. This is what I understood from xondat

[xondat]

I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  )

Might be confusing, but I think it'll be more obvious once I get the samples.

280:

• Winkey or Winkeyless top pieces
• Any plate variant, only restriction is red/silver for aluminum
• One part, unnumbered weight
• Limited to a few different colors, TBD
• Universal PCB
• ~$400 base price

280 S:

• Winkey or Winkeyless top pieces
• Any plate variant, no restriction on color
• Two part, numbered weight
• No restriction on color, probably Cerakoting offered too
• Universal PCB
• ~$400 base price

280 T:

• Winkeyless top pieces
• Red 1.5mm Aluminum plate
• One part, unnumbered weight
• Silver or Dark Gray
• Single layout PCB
• ~$??? base price, a bit lower than other two

Or simply, 280 is the normal version; 280 S is the numbered, slightly more special version; and 280 T is the stripped down, focused version. If you're familiar with Porsche, look at the Carrera, Carrera S, and Carrera T.


If the demand is there, I'll make 220 S and 220.


No ) I do really like it though.

[eatRAMEN]

joined the discord channel already but created an account just to ask this question: by universal PCB does this mean it supports other ones in the such as the TKL87 L3? I'm asking this in regards to the Noxary 280

[xondat]

joined the discord channel already but created an account just to ask this question: by universal PCB does this mean it supports other ones in the such as the TKL87 L3? I'm asking this in regards to the Noxary 280

Nope, should've been more clear with that

The PCB dimensions are completely new, so that it fits perfectly with the port placement on my case, and also so it fits inside.

Universal in this case refers to what layouts are supported, so meaning split backspace/left shift/right shift, stepped caps, ISO enter, 1.25u/WKL bottom row.

[xondat]

Just waiting to receive the final quotes now.

Final pricing and expected dates will follow shortly after those.

[bthezebra]

Omg omg

[Hako]

Any chance you'll be able to offer a silver plate in addition to/instead of a red one for the 280 T? That's the only thing stopping me from going for the T right now.

[xondat]

Any chance you'll be able to offer a silver plate in addition to/instead of a red one for the 280 T? That's the only thing stopping me from going for the T right now.

What's the reasoning behind wanting the T over the normal one?

[Hako]

money 

[xondat]

money 

Oh.. I don't think the price difference will be that significant, but FWIW, I am aiming to bring the price of 280/280 T closer to $350 than $400...

[xondat]

Got the quotes for the case... Just waiting on PCB quotes now.

Unfortunately it won't be near $350, but I still think everything will be very reasonable for what the package is.

[kevinzavier]

When are you expected to get the prototype  ?

[xondat]

When are you expected to get the prototype  ?

If I read it right, then 10 (+2/3 ship) days after payment!

[xondat]

Spoiler?

Yeah probably got to cut a few of these

[Jhors2]

Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

[xondat]

Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

[Jhors2]

Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

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Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.

[xondat]

Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

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Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.

Yeah me too. I think boards that use singular layouts sound nicer than universal in my experience, and I couldn't really compare feel in a 65% anyway.

I'll be testing this (or some very close variant, definitely adding stuff for the spacebar/2.25+ keys) in the short future.



I've already worked towards isolation, but in this case between the case and the plate. Hopefully the picture shows it enough:



I'm ordering prototypes for both of these and will go with the better version :p

As for general sound/feeling improvements, I've got 15+ different concepts to try out. Very excited to start to test them, but it'll be after I start this buy, and improvements will be implemented in Series 3 :(

[Jhors2]

No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

[crtexcnndrm99]

Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

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Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.

Yeah me too. I think boards that use singular layouts sound nicer than universal in my experience, and I couldn't really compare feel in a 65% anyway.

I'll be testing this (or some very close variant, definitely adding stuff for the spacebar/2.25+ keys) in the short future.

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I've already worked towards isolation, but in this case between the case and the plate. Hopefully the picture shows it enough:

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I'm ordering prototypes for both of these and will go with the better version :p

As for general sound/feeling improvements, I've got 15+ different concepts to try out. Very excited to start to test them, but it'll be after I start this buy, and improvements will be implemented in Series 3 :(

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days :thumb:

[xondat]

No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! )

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days

What's the point if I'm not

[Jhors2]

No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! )

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days

What's the point if I'm not

Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

[crtexcnndrm99]

No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! )

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days

What's the point if I'm not

You know it

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200

• ' series logo above the nav arrows?

[xondat]

Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out

You know it

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200

• ' series logo above the nav arrows?

Already a step ahead there :p

[LightningXI]

Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out

You know it

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200

• ' series logo above the nav arrows?

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Already a step ahead there

Definitely number only. I don't think a logo would look good there imo

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[Wetherbee]

Already a step ahead there

Oh no 

[xondat]

Don't worry, it's not actually happening

[xondat]

Right. Pricing time.

Good news is also bad news.

The good news is that the initial fall of in price is pretty low (from 1 pcs to 30 pcs). The bad news is that there aren't any price breaks afterwards.

I was hoping that the price would fall off, but I think it's less than a $8 difference between 30 and 100. The quotes are what they are, and we'll have to roll with that.

The main culprit here is the massive brass weight. It'd be 30% cheaper without it, and it's seriously making me consider doing a lightweight version that's drops the weight.

Now, without rambling too much, prices:

280/280 S

• Case - $365
• 1.5mm Plates - $35
• 5mm Plates - Still working on those prices
• PCBs - $35

220/220 S

• Case - $160
• 1.5mm Plates - $25
• PCBs - $25

I'll get a list up tomorrow of all the options and spec details. Small spoiler; currently got 11 280 plate options

I hope I still have everyone's support, I guess this is what happens when you refuse to compromise on a design )

[Captain Shwah]

I hope I still have everyone's support, I guess this is what happens when you refuse to compromise on a design )

Most definitely and I wouldn't have it any other way

[Puddsy]

280 superleggera when

or i guess if you want to stay with the 911 theme, 280RS when

[Jhors2]

More weight is more better.  I'm really curious what the effect of the weight + 5mm brass plate will be.  Either way the pricing for this seems quite reasonable considering the fact that it looks top tier.

[crtexcnndrm99]

Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out

You know it

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200

• ' series logo above the nav arrows?

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Already a step ahead there

This guy. Too good


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[crtexcnndrm99]

Don't worry, it's not actually happening

.. rip


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[crtexcnndrm99]

The main culprit here is the massive brass weight. It'd be 30% cheaper without it, and it's seriously making me consider doing a lightweight version that's drops the weight.

I’d consider buying without weight and running the brass weight later so it’s less of an upfront cost. But I’m just bad at commitments so that’s just me :sigh:


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[phorx]

I'll be in for the 5mm brass plate option... I wonder if it will have enough of a weight difference to change shipping costs...  Oh well, it's only money right?

[xondat]

This guy. Too good

.. rip

The highs and lows )

I’d consider buying without weight and running the brass weight later so it’s less of an upfront cost. But I’m just bad at commitments so that’s just me :sigh:

I mean to get rid of the weight entirely, including the hole for the weight.

I'll be in for the 5mm brass plate option... I wonder if it will have enough of a weight difference to change shipping costs...  Oh well, it's only money right?

Good point, maybe. I think it'll take it from 2.4kg to 3.2kg. It won't be much of an increase, maybe $3-5 if so.


By the way, regarding red only aluminum plates, I forgot that red won't really work with Cyan/Pink, so going to offer silver too