Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
no geekhack novelties?
Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboard
Do the homing keys have scoops or bumps?
Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
It seems like a lot of the novelties are very similar in appearance; the hexagonal shape is repeated too many times IMO.
WoW really nice keycaps set!
Has mutual colors with the Hack'd by Geeks but there are some differences still as well. Too many interesting keycaps set atm!
Beautiful color scheme :thumb:
As this key-set is using Orange as it's main colour-way, you have indeed captured my attention and excitement.I doubt we'll see it that quickly. PMK just announced the changes (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/a-new-pmk-is-on-its-way/) on the website. Moving away from preordering to pre-produced sets. Modern Selectric will be their last preorder they'll be running. After that they move to a new platform and I think it'll take some time until everything is sorted out.
Thought I would back away from this insidious place but you have reeled me in yet again with another KILLER SA profiled key-set, unbloody believable :thumb: .
PLUS the extras, so enticing it's like a smorgasbord of booze, absolutely HOT 8) .
Make sure this one gets through as soon as possible.
I've noticed a few errors and omissions in the International kit (FR language) :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eq7G9GX.jpg)
The legends with :
- a red square should be swapped from top to bottom (you need push shift to get number with AZERTY layout)
- a orange circle should be rework (too close to the edge of the key imho).
- a blue square were missing keys that should be added.Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/800px-KB_France.svg.png)
As this key-set is using Orange as it's main colour-way, you have indeed captured my attention and excitement.
Thought I would back away from this insidious place but you have reeled me in yet again with another KILLER SA profiled key-set, unbloody believable :thumb: .
PLUS the extras, so enticing it's like a smorgasbord of booze, absolutely HOT 8) .
Make sure this one gets through as soon as possible.
Anyway dont know why people call it sexy or hot as i can not see boobs or booties in it :D
My only real criticism with this set are the novelties. The non-carbon ones seem completely random. Tbh I'm not even a fan of the carbon themed ones.
Not going to be much help because I have no ideas on what they should be instead but they are one only weakness I see in this set
My only real criticism with this set are the novelties. The non-carbon ones seem completely random. Tbh I'm not even a fan of the carbon themed ones.
Not going to be much help because I have no ideas on what they should be instead but they are one only weakness I see in this set
The images chosen by him were safe "Copyright" approved meaning no one can sue SP or him for anything relating to other recognized graphic images within the US market.
I think with the limited pallet he was presented with he has done good, maybe only Matt3o could of upped it a level or two but overall, not much could have been achieved. Besides I love the colour layout and the chosen graphics doesn't offend anyone which is always good when these key-sets reside in keyboards for years to come.
Sometimes the simplest graphics can retain their dignity for decades whilst those that attract instant attention become bland and boring in a few months time.
Just curious, what fonts are used for alphas and mods?Alphas - VAGRounded-Light Light
no geekhack novelties?Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboardDo the homing keys have scoops or bumps?
Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
Sry i am trying to make as many kays as possible reusable by other layouts (Ergodox for example). Keep in mind its the Base set and must be purchased for other sub deals. Anyway i can also add an row1 function sub deal. I thought about it already.
I will add also next update GH key to the Novelties
no geekhack novelties?Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
I for myself did not knew that this is possible. I must look first how it does look like. Then i might change the row orders.
If the you make it 1-1-2-3-4-x
i could use the f row for number keys on my 60% keyboardDo the homing keys have scoops or bumps?
Make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 (like SA Retro) and I'm in!
Sry i am trying to make as many kays as possible reusable by other layouts (Ergodox for example). Keep in mind its the Base set and must be purchased for other sub deals. Anyway i can also add an row1 function sub deal. I thought about it already.
I will add also next update GH key to the Novelties
I'd do it the other way round, myself. I'd make it 1-1-2-3-4-4 with Row 3 Shifts and have a Row 3 F row kit for those who want it. All other keycap profiles use 1-1-2-3-4-4 so why not also SA? JD himself has stated that if he knew SP could do Row 4 bottom row at the time, he'd have gone 1-1-2-3-4-4 with the Hack'd by Geeks set and SA Retro is 1-1-2-3-4-4.
The Row 4 mods on Penumbra are awesome.
That's the only thing that's keeping me from ordering this when it goes live.
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.
Here is the difference on the colour chart:
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And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
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I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.
Any idea when this might drop?Only after new SP shop system goes online. And after it gathers enough votes. Around 200 votes are needed.
As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.
Here is the difference on the colour chart:
(Attachment Link)
And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
(Attachment Link)
I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadableCan you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.
I find this very unpleasant
Would you consider running this set as matte?
Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadableCan you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.
I find this very unpleasant
Would you consider running this set as matte?
Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Thank you!The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadableCan you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.
I find this very unpleasant
Would you consider running this set as matte?
Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Here are some photos, it demonstrates the issue, whether the angling of the light is just or unjust :)
I wish I included one Deep Space DSA modifier too, those colors are unreadable on all regular lighting conditions :)
That's why I like the Dolch keyset, I love the alphas, the modifiers are meh.
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As an aside, about the colours: I believe your WBO is a little too dark in the mockups, the photospectrometer sampled and converted colour (by Ian Prest) is 227, 213, 185 whereas yours is 212, 202, 167.
Here is the difference on the colour chart:
(Attachment Link)
And here's a very rough conversion of the mockup:
(Attachment Link)
I really love the colour choices and the novelties designs are fantastic. Great job on the design. It's beautiful.
DONE! See first post. Updated colors and rows. I wonder if SP can produce 2u keys for row 4 as you can see in Planck/Atomic kit.
The modifiers are similar to the Hack'd by Geeks ones, the glossy and semi-matte SA's shine a lot, when they shine (for example on a white web page, the LCD shine is a shine) the low contrast of the modifiers renders the keycap unreadableCan you provide a picture demonstrating this? I've never had an SA and I'd like to know what to look for when buying a set.
I find this very unpleasant
Would you consider running this set as matte?
Commando 23 SA keyset is matte for example, and it looks great
Here are some photos, it demonstrates the issue, whether the angling of the light is just or unjust :)
I wish I included one Deep Space DSA modifier too, those colors are unreadable on all regular lighting conditions :)
That's why I like the Dolch keyset, I love the alphas, the modifiers are meh.
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I would also choose semi-matte over mixed, however with their current R4 step-up, SP might also start producing those keycaps in matte too
I find matte surfaces better for typing, glossy surfaces amplify sweating, however glossy keycaps are easier to clean, so there is that too
I honestly like both types of keycaps but my preference is matte, there are also no matte SA keycaps around, would be great to have one, I mean look at that Commando set's photo, I want to rub my fingers to the screen :)
You're partially right about the lighting tho, it could be improved, it's 2x 32W cool daylight CFL for an entire room and I'm standing in front of it, yet the glare is also existent in actual daylight shade too, time to re-look for some bulbs (bumped them to 32W CFL's from insufficient leds a while ago, now you inflicted the urge to re-improve them :)
TL;DR: The issue is there, it's up to the beholder to love it or hate it
Hi, I 'm waiting to see if SP takes on sale the set. I prefer the rough touch and matte because I bought the Ducky that are bright and touch is not very good.Hello thank you for your interest. Anyway in the previous post i mentioned the reasons i want to make carbon glossy instead of mate. I also appreciate the look of matte more than glossy but this is abs and will shine after some time and that will destroy the look. So in my opinion its better to make it shine from the start :)
So far I 've saved the money to buy it. :D
Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?
Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?
Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
I don't see it currently.
I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.
I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.
Man...I need this in my life. Awesome set, this is a must for me!
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....
and if the profile row could support this .... also very goodShow Image(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)
I know the convex profile doesn't exist.Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?
Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
I don't see it currently.
I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.
I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.
Its not supposed to be nr1 set. If so then its Granite which sold the most of all sets. It is also not my goal to make nr1 set. I want a good looking set and an unique one. Its 52 votes to go to reach 500 votes :)
I wasn't sure how it worked. I just remember in the Retro SA gb that just finished, a 3u row 3 convex blank was an option for a Filco MiniLa.I know the convex profile doesn't exist.Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?
Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
I don't see it currently.
I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.
I think SA 3u key is not available. But blanks will be offered per default if this IC hits GB phase. So you can get the answer if you check the store while GB is running.
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....
and if the profile row could support this .... also very goodShow Image(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)
There are already 1.5u novelty keys, see first post.
I dont know this layout. Can you give me an example of it?
Didn't this get nearly 500 votes on PMK before they took down the interest check page? I'm sure I'm not along in saying that this is the #1 set on my radar right now, and there's a LOT of good sets out at the moment.
I really dig the novelty keys. Heck, not really much I can say that I don't like about it. I'd probably pick this over getting Hack'd by Geeks if such a choice was presented.
Its not supposed to be nr1 set. If so then its Granite which sold the most of all sets. It is also not my goal to make nr1 set. I want a good looking set and an unique one. Its 52 votes to go to reach 500 votes :)
What is nr1?
Why not add some length 1.5x personality keycaps? so many 1x and 1.25x personality.....
and if the profile row could support this .... also very goodShow Image(http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esuwx5of0dj21gp0e0q9j.jpg)
There are already 1.5u novelty keys, see first post.
I dont know this layout. Can you give me an example of it?
^-^ base kit + ISO kit, it would be like this... cool~~ (i am not a ISO layout player, but i will order this ISO kit)Show Image(http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/746b4b60gw1esvi4glre9j20qs08wq54.jpg)
HHKB layout need 1.5x Command(in Mac kit) on OSX
and need 1.5x Win(1.5u novelty keys) on Windows
Perfect!!!
I wasn't sure how it worked. I just remember in the Retro SA gb that just finished, a 3u row 3 convex blank was an option for a Filco MiniLa.I know the convex profile doesn't exist.Does this keyset have Filco MiniLa support?
Ex. 3u row3 spacebar.
I don't see it currently.
I don't think a mould exists at all for a convex (i.e. spacebar-shaped) 3u key in any profile. I do believe there is a concave 3u key, but it's essentially a slightly extended rshift.
I was asking about a 3u blank concave key.
I think SA 3u key is not available. But blanks will be offered per default if this IC hits GB phase. So you can get the answer if you check the store while GB is running.
It looks like you have all the rest of the keys needed for a MiniLa board.
Also, I would suggest a set of 'chemical process' alternative modifier, for example, oxidize/oxi, condensate/cond, polymerize/poly etc.
This looks interesting, great colours and font, I'm on the potential buyers list. But I'm also non-appreciative of the novelties. Molecules containing carbon are numerous, and would give it more flavour in line with the theme. Buckminster-Fullerene, diamond, graphite, to name a few cardinal pure carbon allotropes (molecules). Even something like a rendition of CO2-molecule would be much more appropriate IMO. Or a part of the molecular structure of the plastic polymer used, a section of ABS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon
In for a set if this gets materialized. Gray and orange is my favorite color combination set.
This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!
I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:
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:D
TBH, I found the butt kicker really strange. No problem with letting it go.This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!
I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:
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:D
Thank you very much for the compliments :) I am currently working on novelties and this will be so in the future i am not quite happy with them. Thinkin about to add full replacement for numbers or functional keys like on deep space the planetary pack.
Twelve signs from this table. I got six already in the novelties. Other three are ready (chemical weapon, lazer hazard, oxidation).Show Image(http://st.depositphotos.com/1028758/2589/v/950/depositphotos_25898675-Triangular-Warning-Hazard-Symbols.-Big-yellow-set.jpg)
Will get the warning, high voltage too.
How do you find the "Butt Kicker". I can throw it away.
TBH, I found the butt kicker really strange. No problem with letting it go.This set looks better every time I look at it, amazing design job, T0mb3ry!
I can't wait for this to be ready to order. This will go on my GON with black aluminium case and plate, orange switch stickers and white LED's:
(Attachment Link)
:D
Thank you very much for the compliments :) I am currently working on novelties and this will be so in the future i am not quite happy with them. Thinkin about to add full replacement for numbers or functional keys like on deep space the planetary pack.
Twelve signs from this table. I got six already in the novelties. Other three are ready (chemical weapon, lazer hazard, oxidation).Show Image(http://st.depositphotos.com/1028758/2589/v/950/depositphotos_25898675-Triangular-Warning-Hazard-Symbols.-Big-yellow-set.jpg)
Will get the warning, high voltage too.
How do you find the "Butt Kicker". I can throw it away.
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?
Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?
Lookin' good :cool:
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?
Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?
With row 3 warning signs i was thinking of ergodox and other custom keyboard users. Anyway i will remove row3 and add gray on orange return graphene as you suggested. Also the F rows for flex kit will be added too.
Why give the warning signs in R1 and R3 when the set profile is 112344? Most people aren't going to want novelties on the home row, but are more likely to do so on the function row or numrow. I believe that you would need to cut separate legends to for R1 and R3 keys, if so that set is going to get very expensive (I believe 24 new legends for that group, plus graphene and carbon novelties). I would suggest keeping it to just R1 keys. How about giving us both colours of graphene return/enter, seeing as we're given both colours of return in the base kit?
Have you considered adding orange F1-F4 and F9-F12 into orange alphas or flex kit?
With row 3 warning signs i was thinking of ergodox and other custom keyboard users. Anyway i will remove row3 and add gray on orange return graphene as you suggested. Also the F rows for flex kit will be added too.
Okay, that makes more sense. In that case, I would say it's worth double checking with SP as to whether it really is an extra cost for the same legend on both R1 and R3, as I'm not 100% sure on that point.
I like the colorway and the row profiles.
However, the arrow keys in R3 makes no sense to me. They should be R4 to match the profile of the other keys.
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?
Updated.I like the colorway and the row profiles.
However, the arrow keys in R3 makes no sense to me. They should be R4 to match the profile of the other keys.
Will change it to row 4 as planck atomics and ergodox can use them in row 4 too.
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?
From the look i prefer matte but i want make them glossy, so the keycaps will be immune to shining. If the material were pbt then ofcourse i would say matte. But this is ABS and it will going to shine. I dont think you will appreciate the shining after some months of usage.
Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.
As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key ;)
Set will be in all semi-matte like retro SA, correct?
From the look i prefer matte but i want make them glossy, so the keycaps will be immune to shining. If the material were pbt then ofcourse i would say matte. But this is ABS and it will going to shine. I dont think you will appreciate the shining after some months of usage.
Here's my position on the subject: I would rather have all the keys start out looking the same and develop shine ("character") from usage than have some of the keys in one finish and some of the keys in another. If SP has all of the keys available in the glossy finish, that's fine with me. But I wouldn't want most of the keys to be glossy and have a few matte ones that stand out as being different from the rest.Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.
As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key ;)
Yes, geekhack and /r/MK keys should be R1. I'm not sure what the 1u carbon keyset keys are meant to be for, but the row for them should be examined as well. Might be nice to have them as 'C' replacement keys, or as esc keys (R4 or R1) instead of the R3 they are now. Making them R4 also lets them be used for bottom row 1x mods if someone needs some extras (I'm thinking of 40% boards here, not sure how much those particular keys will help).
Some of the R3 novelties should also be R1, if they're intended for the top two rows.
As much as I would love a R1 lambda, I can understand why you'd want to leave that R3 so it can be a replacement L key ;)
The thing is i am trying to design novelties so, that you can combine them with other sets. I am thinking of versatility.
The big problem here is the communication between me and SP. They need like weeks to answer my questions. But i do not blame them for this as they got a lot of stuff to do now. You know new shop system. And now i got this dilema as i dont know what is possible at all. I dont know if they can produce all keys glossy or do they need to make for every row new mold for the same sign. The best thing they can do in the future is to make a FAQ or Wiki for Designers. I dont even know if the novelties are moldable. I send already SVG files to Melissa last week and i am currently waiting for reply.
In case they cant do every key glossy then the whole set will going to be matte. Its a no brainer.
The thing is i am trying to design novelties so, that you can combine them with other sets. I am thinking of versatility.
That's an admirable goal, but I doubt many people will stick an R3 novelty next to an R1 key, so they won't really be used on the function or number row.The big problem here is the communication between me and SP. They need like weeks to answer my questions. But i do not blame them for this as they got a lot of stuff to do now. You know new shop system. And now i got this dilema as i dont know what is possible at all. I dont know if they can produce all keys glossy or do they need to make for every row new mold for the same sign. The best thing they can do in the future is to make a FAQ or Wiki for Designers. I dont even know if the novelties are moldable. I send already SVG files to Melissa last week and i am currently waiting for reply.
In case they cant do every key glossy then the whole set will going to be matte. Its a no brainer.
Semi-matte (what was used for Hack'd by Geeks, SA Retro, and others) is fairly glossy. I don't know why you'd want it even glossier than that, even if SP can do them all in "Gloss" finish, which is highly unlikely.
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
(You probably should read the whole SA Retro group buy thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70793.0), you might learn a lot about what is possible and what people want in an SA keycap set).
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
:rolleyes: I just said
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
:rolleyes: I just said
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.
:rolleyes: I just said
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.
If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.
:rolleyes: I just said
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.
If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.
Yeah thats sad i can not make them shiny from the start. I think to remove row 3 Carbon logo novelties. The rmk and geekhack will go for row1.:rolleyes: I just said
FWIW this datasheet is not definitive: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf
SP really does have 1.25 R4 molds in semi-matte, which is why semi-matte was used for SA Retro.
Haha i read that but i forgot it as i was bussy with checking the availability of the keys. And in this case its obviously that Carbon must be made in semi matte.
If you want it made in glossy, it is worth contacting SP with a list of sizes and row profiles and asking if they have them in glossy, as you know that their data sheets are not definitive. I would only bother doing so once kits have been relatively finalized though.
I believe semi-matte is their most "complete" finish (they have the most molds in semi-matte), with matte being next (no 1.75x Row3, etc) and gloss last (lots of key sizes missing). So semi-matte is the one to go for. The only "missing" molds for semi-matte are the Row4 Shift keys.
Looking great :)
About the novelties, I think the lambda (half-life) key should remain Row 3, but perhaps the top row carbon, GeekHack and MK ones should be Row 1 to match the base set?
Thank you for listening to us and taking our thoughts into consideration. Just keep in mind you can't please ALL the people, so please remember to make the set the way you really want if there's a request that doesn't match. The poeple posting here are just a small sample of those who'll buy the caps.
I for one am very happy with the way it is right now and will DEFINITELY be buying this set when it's available.
Semi-matte SA caps shine up pretty quickly, but IMHO they look amazing when they do:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67399.0;attach=86610;image)
Got today the updated list from Melissa. For Matte: spacebars and shift keys are missing (some other keys too), so Carbon is going to be semi-matte.
Nevermind bad idea these are printed keycaps. But i consider to add them to the base kit as additional blank keys. One caps and scroll. Also one num for numpad.
Nevermind bad idea these are printed keycaps. But i consider to add them to the base kit as additional blank keys. One caps and scroll. Also one num for numpad.
If they increase the cost, I'd rather leave them out. I don't see much value in them as if they're blank they don't match the rest of the set. If it's a matter of only a dollar or two, then maybe keep them in for those who really want them, though. None of my boards have the lock LED's in the switch anyway.
Are GH and /r/MK keys still R3 on purpose? Your novelty example has them in R1 rows.
Just wondering, are the shift keys still in row 3 profile? I kind of recalled that point when this was on PMK but I didn't notice it in the first post of this thread.
Just wondering, are the shift keys still in row 3 profile? I kind of recalled that point when this was on PMK but I didn't notice it in the first post of this thread.
On another note, would non-deep-dish F and J keys be a possible addition?
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.
Also, there's a limit of 10 child-deals and this has already been reached.You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.
IMO that would make the set far too similar to Hack'd by Geeks.
if you are thinking of the LED window caps, would it be possible to make the LED window line up to the printed/dyed novelty design on the keycap. For example, the 2 double bonds in the C of Carbon ( http://i.imgur.com/mPxoidi.jpg ) would be single bonds and the inside dashes (-'s) of the double bonds are the led windows. so then the led is on, the single bonds turn into double bonds. and it'd have to be orange led's for the best effect.
You should make an option for all the letters to have the gray and orange theme, instead of white and grey.
What about leaving the existing window where it is and rotating the C. Or perhaps using another molecule which has a double or single bond in that position? Just an idea...
What about leaving the existing window where it is and rotating the C. Or perhaps using another molecule which has a double or single bond in that position? Just an idea...
You know i does not even know if this windowed keys will stay in the base kit. I am waiting for the pricing right now. Then i will decide. Keep in mind its a base set and i dont want to bother other buyers who want to buy other kits, as the base set is required for other child deals. I thought already about dey subing this shifts but as far as i know its possible to deysub darker colors so these shifts must be orange. Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.
Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.
Printing the keys is a no go as the printing will wear off to fast and you will get an ugly key. So its better to keep it blank. I am always thinking for the long run.
You could always front print them, then they will probably never wear out since you don't press the front of the keycap, but then it is a visual difference on those keys since the lettering is on a different face of the keycap.
IIIIIIISSSSSSOOOOOOO?
Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
I think a keyboard guide on the group buy page like for Modern Selectric would be awesome:Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
I don't actually see a R4 1.75u Ctrl or 1u Del anywhere. The fn and app/menu can be covered by novelties, and maybe the delete if the particular user is fine with the legend, but there isn't actually a key of the correct size and profile for the ctrl on the minila at all.
I think a keyboard guide on the group buy page like for Modern Selectric would be awesome:Additional keys needed to cover minila: 1.75u R4 Ctrl, 1.25u R4 Fn (there's one in base, but minila has two), 1u R4 App/menu, 1u R4 delete.Is there any planck or filco minila support?Just a question: have you looked at Carbon and its child deals before replying? I am not rude to you i just get slight feeling what some try to troll me, like the reply above with iso.
In case of minila i dont know the exact size of the spacebar but i asume its 3u size. If thats the case, SP has 3u spacebars in row 4 profile. I think with planckatomic kit you can fully cover minila. Though i must rename planckatomic as it supports minila too.
This is in addition to the already-noted 3u spacebar.
Yes thats right forgot to say combined base + planckatomic + 3u spacebar + novelties or 2 1.25u blanks should cover minila easily. Though renaming is not needed. Maybe just noting this.
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Any reason to put all the international sets together? It would make the subset unnecessarily expensive for all ISO users, for example for UK's that just need a few keys, and will have a bunch of caps with no use at all.
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.
Any reason to put all the international sets together? It would make the subset unnecessarily expensive for all ISO users, for example for UK's that just need a few keys, and will have a bunch of caps with no use at all.
Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.
not many people knew about it. no one posted that poll here. :(No kidding. I'm not buying the Jukebox because I'm waiting for the Carbon
Carbon was added too late when Jukebox already had more than 100 votes.Any info on when this will potentially be running? Is this going to go through massdrop like the jukebox set while PMK is doing their store changes or do we have to wait for it to run through PMK as a store option?Waiting for the new PMK store. Dont know how to make it to masddrop though the only way is to get there enough votes. I think it will be faster todo it through PMK store.
Not enough people voted on it in massdrops poll :( This makes me sad.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/what-brand-new-sa-keycap-set-would-you-like-to-have-produced
not many people knew about it. no one posted that poll here. :(Sry GeekHack is blacklisted by email services i use and because of this i couldnt get conformation mail for registration.
Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:I also saw this one, anyone know this name of this set?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)
It's a combination of multiple keysets. The alphas are from an ancient Cherry board:Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:I also saw this one, anyone know this name of this set?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)
Found on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3bugp3/photos_found_more_fitting_keycaps_for_my_keyboard/), looks somewhat similar to Carbon:Looks great. Wrote already a comment in reddit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZkmIpUQ.jpg)
base kit is required for other sub deals
wha means? :-X
base kit is required for other sub deals
wha means? :-X
I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
base kit is required for other sub deals
wha means? :-X
I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
In the old PMK store, you didn't have buy the base set in order to get the child-deals. Not sure how it'll be in the new store, but I don't think they will change that.base kit is required for other sub deals
wha means? :-X
I believe it means you need to buy the base kit in order to be able to buy any of the other kits.
I think what was meant here is that you need to get the base kit with a child-deal in order to cover the whole keyboard. For example, the numpad kit does not automatically include the base kit. Also, you need the base along with the int kit to be able to fill your whole keyboard with keycaps.
I asked Melissa about new Store Rules with max 10 Child Deals. As you can see right now we got a main deal (Base kit) and 10 Child Deals, making it together 11 Deals. So i need to clarify if Carbon is breaking this rule. I thats the case the Orange Alphas will go.
I asked Melissa about new Store Rules with max 10 Child Deals. As you can see right now we got a main deal (Base kit) and 10 Child Deals, making it together 11 Deals. So i need to clarify if Carbon is breaking this rule. I thats the case the Orange Alphas will go.
I'm sure Melissa will allow it because she is the MOST caring and decent person to deal with. THE ORANGE ALPHAS have to STAY, because they shall be used with other key-sets that were made in the past.
PLEASE keep the Orange Alphas :'( .
Not only i see it like this: for Example you got a tkl keyboard and a Planck (or Ergodox). You get base kit for tkl and ergodox kit with orange alphas for Ergodox. If you want orange alphas on tkl just swap them with ergodox. profit...
Getting both may allow you doing some crazy sh!t, like (orange/beige) zebra stripes or even chess like alphas.
And if you got other keysets which you can mix too, then it brings the whole fun to the next level.
Wow, those novelties are looking to be pretty expensive. I expected some icon mods and Esc, not twenty different symbols and 6 keys dedicated to forum self-love jacking the price up the yin yang.Sorry i actually like to split Novelties into 3 Child Deals but there is limit of max 10 child deals. Anyway if they sells 100 times it will get for my personall taste acceptable price. I will buy them anyway even for 100+ bucks.
I'll probably just end up getting the base kit. :(
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Yesssssssssssssss this is the best news today :p
Why is Mac Kit so expensive? some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit :o :o :o
Why is Mac Kit so expensive? some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit :eek: :eek: :eek:
Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.
Yesssssssssssssss this is the best news today :p
Like I said, Melissa delivers everything you could want when organizing a Group Buy. You have to love her for being that way, SP would be nothing without her at the helm :thumb: .
Yes i got the DC pricing today:Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
Why is Mac Kit so expensive? some kit include more keys num(mac kit is 12 keys) and it is cheaper than Mac kit :eek: :eek: :eek:Actually i have no idea why it is so expensive. Maybe its because of mod keys > 1u size. You know its not a secret if you visit some online stores using apple products what you get higher prices. There was a research done and i read these articles and you know its not a joke.
Yes i got the DC pricing today:Well got a Reply from Melissa everything is fine with child deals. Glad we can keep the orange alphas.Did you get pricing for the DC kit?
10 sets $45
15 sets $35
25 sets $28
50 sets $22
75 sets $20
100 sets $19
150 sets $18
200 sets $17
Did the update to the first page too...
Although, whereabouts is the 7x spacebar because you seem to be only showing on the front page of this section a 6.25 spacebar?
Updated:
fitting max 10 child deals rule of pmk.
Blanks and Spacebars will be available in the store per default.
Anyways, is there any time frame for when PMK will go live with the new system?
hey, any update on this? Also, should you want to run this on MD and not PMK let me know, I'll point the guys there your way to see what they think. I would be quite comfortable telling them this will be a pretty large GB ;)
After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme? ;D
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme? ;D
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme? ;D
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)
The color scheme is not final:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)
Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.
Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme? ;D
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)
The color scheme is not final:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)
Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.
Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
Ah I love it. Can't wait :DDDDDD
I'm good with whichever option will get the caps in my hands quicker. Which, unless PMK surprises us all by launching next week, looks to be MD.Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.After i am done with Carbon i will introduce you my next Project.Would you mind teasing us with the colour scheme? ;D
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)
The color scheme is not final:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)
Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.
Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
Its called Umka. Google for Umka. Its a cartoon from my childhood and it has the best lullaby in my opinion.One of the first things that came to mind when I watched that video was the Gund Snuffles bear (they are designed to look in to the sky, or moon to be exact). Which isn't bad thing :)
Umkas lullaby in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkE5kpr1bF4)
The color scheme is not final:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fk1szdN.jpg)
Novelties will be zodiac signs also the small bear and the big bear.
Dont try to translate UMKA it will be translated into smart (russian) but actually it means bear in chuckcha language.
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?Show Image(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)
That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?Show Image(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)
That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared. I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy. Like pretty much everything in that kit.
:-\ :-\ How could I oversee this. :confused:How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared. I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy. Like pretty much everything in that kit.
Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
:-\ :-\ How could I oversee this. :confused:How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?
That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared. I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy. Like pretty much everything in that kit.
Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
I guess that answer is pretty clear then.
BTW, MiTo is alive. He's on Reddit nowadays (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/search?q=author%3ALyqu1d&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=all) and I'm pretty sure he would allow to use the mold. Carbon also started out on Reddit.
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
Due to new PMK rules the child deals are limited to 10. So we can split several carbon related novelties across all child deals (this will make child deals more expensive) or remove Warning Signs and let only Carbon related, geekhack and rmk keys.
In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
In the Group Buy format, generally people need to subsidize other peoples' purchases as well in order to make things affordable for everyone. For example, International kits generally cover many different languages, the vast majority of users will never have reason to use all of the keys from the Intl kit. But by putting all of those keys in one kit, it allows all users to meet MOQ for their language in particular. You see similar cases with pro modifier kits, that allow support of many alternate layouts, few of which could meet MOQ on their own. With the novelty set, because the warning signs and carbon-related novelties are largely new legends, the kit may require more keys to be made in order for prices to drop to a reasonable price. Removing some of the novelties from the novelty kit will reduce the chance of the remaining keys succeeding.In the novelties kit, would it be possible to split the carbon related keys from the others and create two child deals instead of one? It seems that it would tailor to more people that way. BTW, looking fantastic so far!
Due to new PMK rules the child deals are limited to 10. So we can split several carbon related novelties across all child deals (this will make child deals more expensive) or remove Warning Signs and let only Carbon related, geekhack and rmk keys.
Please do not remove the warning signs. They are what make this set so attractive to me, and I feel as though they really tie the set together. The other novelties are nice too, but I really like the look of the novelties as a numrow stripe, and their unique design is what I feel makes this set special.
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.
That vote is ostensibly for PBT keysets. I do not believe that SP does doubleshot PBT in SA profile, and this set will not work in dyesub because some keys have light legends on dark keys (modifiers, orange on grey).
If you like you can vote for Carbon on MassDrop here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/pbt-keycaps-that-arent-granite
As i already said i am willing to run it through Massdrop. Though i dont know about the conditions. So i must somehow talk to someone from MussDrop.
That vote is ostensibly for PBT keysets. I do not believe that SP does doubleshot PBT in SA profile, and this set will not work in dyesub because some keys have light legends on dark keys (modifiers, orange on grey).
Maybe I'm mistaken, but from the pictures it doesn't seem like any of them can be dyesubbed, given the colour schemes.
Thats right the title of the poll is misleading. Anyway if you want you can vote but people must be informed about that missleading title. ps. It wasnt me who made this poll i found it just.
How about using the /r/mk-cap mold from Pulse SA?Show Image(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/pimpmykeyboard/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Novelties.png)
That would reduce the price for the novelty kit slightly.
If that's not a "community" mold then SP might not let anyone use it without permission from MiTo... who kinda disappeared. I know that he designed a lot of custom legends for that group buy. Like pretty much everything in that kit.
Plus it's the wrong row profile anyway.
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!
:-X the counting of votes only include 1st choice
Started a Poll for the Carbon Child Deals at MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/carbon-keyset-sa-profile
Please vote i need it for the Evaluation. Thank you!
:-X the counting of votes only include 1st choice
And it limits you to three choices.
If you want more useful information about relative interest of each child deal, I would suggest creating a Google form or something to collect interest.
E: wow that's a lot of interest! If you're thinking about running the buy through Massdrop, I'd get in touch with them and see if Carbon can be run in a way similar to how MiTo DCS is being run right now -- it seems like the kits need a bit of unique work on Massdrop's end, so probably better to open that line of communication sooner rather than later.
Do we know the manufacturer yet?GMK doesn't do custom legends.
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
Do we know the manufacturer yet?
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D
Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.
IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D
Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.
IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.
Do we know the manufacturer yet?SA profile
GMK GMK GMK GMK GMK
My bad, missed where it said SA profile, thought Cherry profile was on the table. I have the hackd by geeks set, so this might be a little duplicative...
Isn't Hack'd just SA row 3 or is it full profile? This is going to be full profile so it wouldn't be repetitive :D
Hack'd is 3-1-2-3-4-3, this is 1-1-2-3-4-4.
IMO, what makes this stand out from Hack'd is the novelty keys, and the incorporation of brighter alphas. Definitely in the same colour family as hack'd, and probably will be appealing to a similar group, but I think there's enough in Carbon to make it different.
It's kind of like if Penumbra and Hack'd had a baby with the best genes from both ;)
so excited for this!Ohhh boy me too :D
Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
Ok that will still be cool!Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
Forgot to mention those Enter keys are in grey and orange colors. So the white graphene 2u key is planck/atomic exclusive.Ok that will still be cool!Will the white 2u key with the hexagons be available in the novelty set, or just in planck?Its only planck/atomic kit. Actually the novelty kit contains similar key for enter but its not 2u size.
ETA never?
Hey thanks for the support guys! Right now i got a lot of work todo, you know Carbon Group Buy is scheduled for like mid August (if everything goes well). So stay tuned!
ETA never?Wait for the Drop (http://coub.com/view/7anr6)
I'd like to share with you the announcement of Carbon on Keychatter (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/08/05/first-look-carbon-sa-keycap-coming-to-massdrop/).Super excited!
The Child Deals showed on Keychatter are those you will see in the Drop.
The GB will start in the next "few" days.
R.I.P. PMK group buys.
Hype!
Fingers crossed that there aren't any shipping issues like with TA.
This isn't a bad thing ;)Shipping-wise, both are equally as bad for me, but I would've liked to see SP's new model kick off with such an awesome set. Especially the pre-production and in turn real life samples are interesting.
Besides sets like this deserve a bit better I think. Carbon is a masterwork :thumb:
This isn't a bad thing ;)Shipping-wise, both are equally as bad for me, but I would've liked to see SP's new model kick off with such an awesome set. Especially the pre-production and in turn real life samples are interesting.
Besides sets like this deserve a bit better I think. Carbon is a masterwork :thumb:
Missed chance for SP I guess, not sure what their new platform is doing. Would like some updates about it.
Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will continue developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I see! That makes sense. I know they're doing a cyrillic for the MiTo DSA set, but they're Dye-subing that.Any chance of Cyrillic Alphas on this? :3 Would buy that + the Planck Kit if so.I think its to late at this stage/phase to make changes. But depending on how the drop goes out (say it will do well), i will keep the developing of Carbon. In this case i already thought of cyrillic alphas. Question is do SP has legendmolds for cyrillic? If not that will be very expensive. As far as i know each new Legendmold costs around 75$.
I can look into that. I honestly need to just ask for a heaping list of what molds they have just to know for development anyways. I can post publicly if i get a good answer.
There will be a 2nd round of Carbon?No. But depending on how first round goes i might consider second round. In this case i will continue developing Carbon. If not then its ok. So i do not promise anything. Literally i do not promise!
Im in for base, ergo, planck kits. :thumb:participating too.
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.
Just order now and select bitcoin as payment. :)
Will be ordering near the end of the buy period.
Just order now and select bitcoin as payment. :)
I know the group buy just started and we had ample to time to make corrections, but there are always things that slip through. I'm pretty confident that we'll see a Round 2 for this, so I'd like to list some points for potential improvement, just so they don't slip under the rug the second time.
Maybe others have some suggestions too (possibly from Massdrop comments or Reddit). :thumb:
- Add '@ key to ISO kit for UK Dvorak users
- Add grey arrow and PrtScn/ScrLk/Pause keys to Flex kit
- I feel like you already had those in the Flex kit and removed them? Not sure...
- Make extra 6.25u spacebars available
- Split up ISO kit?
Thank you for the explanation.
I just put the list together for readability, instead of having the points scattered across Massdrop comments. Those aren't necessarily my points, but I find them worthy to discuss (that doesn't mean they absolutely have be included). Personally, I made sure all the keys for all the layouts I could ever want, are included in the first run.
Truth is, there will always be requests once a keycap group buy starts. People really only start to think once they have to put money on the line.
I'm sure you've read my comment for the Dvorak key. You forgetting about it was the very reason, why I've made the list in first place, it's easy to lose track with so many suggestions from many different places.
I feel like, the popularity will only rise with IRL pictures, but we'll see. :cool:
Another point that came to mind:
- DT forum key
Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")Interesting numbers!
http://www.massdrop.community/
Yap that's sad. I assume many europeans who are into custom keysets switched (like me) from iso to us ansi.Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")Interesting numbers!
http://www.massdrop.community/
That poor ISO kit :( It would be interesting to compare with Sci-fi, to see which way is more effective (multiple vs a single, big ISO kit). :rolleyes:
Yep, same for me.Yap that's sad. I assume many europeans who are into custom keysets switched (like me) from iso to us ansi.Ok guys we got nice overview of sold kits (see link below "top left corner")Interesting numbers!
http://www.massdrop.community/
That poor ISO kit :( It would be interesting to compare with Sci-fi, to see which way is more effective (multiple vs a single, big ISO kit). :rolleyes:
Also Massdrop being a PITA for Europeans shipping-wise is a big factor.
I´ll talk to MD officials. I think this should be no problem :) But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.Also Massdrop being a PITA for Europeans shipping-wise is a big factor.
Geez you poor beggars.
I got a quote for ONLY $15.99USD shipping and I'm over the Moon with that costing ;D . But the keysets shall cost a pretty penny here but well worth the purchase :thumb: .
Although we need more options to BUY extra 6.25 space bar keys - PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN before this Group Buy ends on MassDrop.
But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.
But keep in mind each color for spacebar has it MOQ requirements. I think its 25 units. So in order to be produced it must sell 25 times. Each specific color i think.
You mean 25 people have to be on buying them or can one person buy 25 space bars?
Yeeha!
Just melted my credit card ordering this baby.
I simply had to have so many of the extra kits.
We got an Update (http://www.massdrop.community/). I smell Carbon can reach 500 base kits ;D
Still quite sad about ISO kit.
aaaaand more SA purchased. Sweet.
The exchange rate is so hosed...
The new Values are displayed directly on description page also while check out.We got an Update (http://www.massdrop.community/). I smell Carbon can reach 500 base kits ;D
Still quite sad about ISO kit.
Interesting the number pad has reached the 'next drop point'. Where will the new price be reflected?
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
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Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
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Baller.
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
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Baller.
The guy deserves it, really good mock ups. :thumb:
Guys we got awesome Mockups from Thinman. Most of you know him already from reddit. Props to Thinman! And yes for his work, he will get Carbon for free :)
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Wish this was also DSA, that would be sooo amazing. Props to T0mb for giving the keyset to Thinman (also props to him for the mock-up)!
1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.
Its just the decision making endless loop :))1 day left.
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.
It's the youngsters, trying to edge out all their parents credit cards and savings.......he he :D .
So... more than 2200 kits sold and still some time to go. Holy smokes, this has got to be the most successful GB I've participated in! I assume since the lowest price was unlicked we reached over 500 base sets?
1 day left.Definitely. Here's how it looked for Granite:
I assume Carbon will go way over 2000 sold kits. You know there are always people who wait until last hours.
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
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Some toying around: (Base kit, Mod Kit, Flex kit, Novelties kit, 7u beige spacebar)
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Nope, it was a custom order (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65189.msg1819469#msg1819469).I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
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Some toying around: (Base kit, Mod Kit, Flex kit, Novelties kit, 7u beige spacebar)
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Damn wlhlm you missing only carbon fiber case. Anyway you owe us Picture if you finish this one :p
Wait, is this the Smart 68 pcb?
I already got a carbon fiber plate for my SA Carbon build: (split Backspace, split right Shift, winkeyless bottom row, Super/Alt swapped)
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I jumped in with 15 minutes to go. It wasn't cheap considering the funky layout I was trying to accommodate, but there you go. I think I bought enough to fill 4 boards.
I jumped in with 15 minutes to go. It wasn't cheap considering the funky layout I was trying to accommodate, but there you go. I think I bought enough to fill 4 boards.
Good man same here, I was just surprised why there were so many negative ninnies crying fowl here. I thought it went well, got the numbers which is always guaranteed when it comes to key-caps on MD yet a lot of angst and sniping at MassDrop, why?
I think a lot of the sniping came from non-buyers who thought it was their job to stop this Group Buy by as much as possible but again you have to ask them, why such nasty behaviour in the first place.
Gnomobot https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot (https://www.massdrop.com/profile/Gnomobot) on the MD comments posted these beautiful renderings. I figured it would be good to post them here before they get drowned the comments on MD.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FGi32WRQhOn9IU01u9nHQ_Key1.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FS32a8bOS8Ojz9T0R8mMU_Key2.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FMz2qpBxTSwuswMZUYXE2_Key3.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1676&h=833)
So, the drop has completed!
I must be honest that I'm disappointed with the final price, considering the numbers ordered. SP really should offer them at a lower price at the higher counts.
BUT, I'm very happy it's even going to be made at all. This is going on two of my keyboards once I have them finished, although it's going to take SP a LONG time to fulfill the orders. First they have to complete Retro SA, which is delayed due to running out of plastic. Then there's Jukebox that still needs to be made, then this one (although I may have missed a set somewhere in between), so it's not going to be sent out for a while.
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.This looks amazing and realistic.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it! :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
ENJOY!
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it! :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
ENJOY!
Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it! :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
ENJOY!
Just got an email from them (MassDrop) letting us all know that SP can't produce these on their original timeline. It's been pushed back a good month so these keys will have to wait a while before we see them.
Amazing how SP likes to deal with MassDrop yet when a huge order comes in 2000+ they're left holding the bag wondering what went wrong........ :-\
If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.
Can't say this comes as a surprise. I think some people predicted a delay as soon as the drop finished.
If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.
If you want to deal with MD you got to start ramping up your facilities to accommodate all the large orders coming in, otherwise sooner or later people will go elsewhere to get their key-caps.
Where else can people go? Seems like SP is the only company doing these kind of custom small run keycaps.
JT Keycaps is starting to get a foothold. If they can come close to GMK quality and consistently produce custom legends with a high degree of accuracy, I have absolutely no doubt they will draw some business away from SP. Which might actually be a good thing for everybody...
I really hope they implement the "commit at this price point" feature in the "new" PMK. If they don't I won't be surprised, but it will confirm to me that they don't know what's best for their own business and that they're not really listening to the community.Totally agree with you, their site is really out of date and the PMK store is even worse. It doesn't show how many set available and some of the description are very confused. Also separate account is required for GB and PMK store.
Can't say this comes as a surprise. I think some people predicted a delay as soon as the drop finished.
It's Massdrop. I feel safe predicting a delay before a drop starts.
And don't forget Gateron. They're already doing some top quality dyesub and blank PBT sets and they seem to be very willing to work with the community. UKKeycaps has also started some hype with posting pics of some Devlin "Q" series caps that could become another supplier if things work out there.
HOWEVER, SP is still the only company offering SA profile or similar caps (tall, spherical tops) to the community at reasonable MOQ levels, although if UKKeycaps can get Devlin to make their "K" series available for GB's they'd be a good alternative (although they're all "Row 3" and I'm not sure they have all they keycap sizes for a normal board).
SP need to get those Row 4 Shift moulds made, though... the irritation level is slowly increasing the more fully sculptured sets I buy without Row 4 Shifts. Just this one GB is probably bringing in enough profit for them to easily cover the cost of making them.
I really hope they implement the "commit at this price point" feature in the "new" PMK. If they don't I won't be surprised, but it will confirm to me that they don't know what's best for their own business and that they're not really listening to the community.
They're apparently working on row 4 2.25 & 2.75 molds already, someone emailed Melissa about it
They're apparently working on row 4 2.25 & 2.75 molds already, someone emailed Melissa about it
Yeah, if you are talking about what I'm thinking I was in that group that emailed about it :thumb:
Still, its crappy that we have to figure out a way to fund it. Just doesn't feel like we should be responsible for that. A new font, I can understand that, but not keys to complete a standard profile.
With regard to the row 4 (shift key) 2.25u and 2.75u molds, here is Melissa Petersen's e-mail response to my inquiry about possible ways to partner-up with them on the cost of the molds:
John-
We are building these internally, it is just taking time. I don't have a
time frame for completion, but we are working on them.
^^ Quote from zslane on deskthority
With regard to the row 4 (shift key) 2.25u and 2.75u molds, here is Melissa Petersen's e-mail response to my inquiry about possible ways to partner-up with them on the cost of the molds:
John-
We are building these internally, it is just taking time. I don't have a
time frame for completion, but we are working on them.
^^ Quote from zslane on deskthority
What's the status on the shift key group buy? Will this still be a thing, or is there no more planning of it?
Patience. As was explained, SP has to develop the tooling first.
From an email from Bob at SP 2 days ago: "We are tooling up the 1.25, 2.25 and 2.75 in SA Row 4. However tooling
won't be production ready for a couple months."
So I would only expect them early next year.
Hey Wlhlm!
Thanks for advice. I am very pleased. Perfect cuts. Everything went just perfect! Cant wait for my Carbon Planck.
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Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy? Just curious.
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy? Just curious.Yes we did. Dont know if you got updated SA listing, but here you are this might help you :)
Hey T0mb3ry, did you guys end up offering any extra space bars in your group buy? Just curious.Yes we did. Dont know if you got updated SA listing, but here you are this might help you :)
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Hi! i'm Gnomobot.
Thanks ddamko for your mention on this forum. I made some renders with better quality, hope you like it! :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mpNTFe1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0f16Dy.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVDj4sw.jpg)
ENJOY!
Hmm. I distinctly remember placing an order. I even posted about it in this thread. Yet I have no email from SP, MD or paypal confirming it. Can someone please tell me who they got email confirmation from so that I can double check my order went through?
Did you log into Massdrop and check? :rolleyes:Yes I did but I couldn't remember if the drop was through MD or through SP. I wanted to be sure.
Is it still possible to order a set of these?
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)
The caption on that top image breaks my heart. If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?
I did not realize this was ending last night and did not place an order :'(
Oh well, I have a few other SA sets coming, and I can try to pick this up on the classifieds once it ships.
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)
The caption on that top image breaks my heart. If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?
If round 2 happens row 4 shifts are going to be the default. For this round, row 4 shifts will be purchasable on PMK Store or MassDrop.
Would like to share with you some Pictures of Carbon in Production. I got these photos from Melissa. Thank you Melissa ;D
http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC (http://imgur.com/a/xhRPC)
The caption on that top image breaks my heart. If there's a round 2, can a row 4 shift pack be a part of it?
If round 2 happens row 4 shifts are going to be the default. For this round, row 4 shifts will be purchasable on PMK Store or MassDrop.
Do you know the cost of them yet? Just made a big order from PMK, guess that'll justify me spending more ;)
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:
I didn't signed the new PMK rules, so i guess not. But it will be possible to buy some leftovers at MD Bazzaar.
ahhh i missed this GB :(
will this keyset available on PMK like jukebox? :p
i really like this set :thumb:
I didn't signed the new PMK rules, so i guess not. But it will be possible to buy some leftovers at MD Bazzaar.
owh at MD bazzaar, hope i wont miss it.
but still wish will be available on PMK.
and,, are the caps already finished? or still in production?
Caps are still in production, are expected to ship to Massdrop on the 30th (as of the update on the 17th of this month)
I think caps are already finished. Right now they do the front printing on led windowed keys.
I guess a delay of only two months is ahead of the average...consider yourselves fortunate.I think it can happen even faster if you look at Jukebox. But yes compared to other sets its quite minor delay...
I got my notification from MD that mine is shipping!
There is an actual set up on reddit, on a board.
Blasphemy!There is an actual set up on reddit, on a board.
Thanks for including the link so we can follow the topic on reddit!
Hey T0mb3ry, do you have an idea when SP will be producing the R4 shifts?Actually not but i will ask Melissa as soon as R4 shifts will appear at PMK store.
I was asked to give some initial thoughts on Carbon SA, but first some pics:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jam0a0A.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SSJjcNe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XqYy7Ss.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KQT5NMh.jpg)
The colors are perfect together. I've always been a fan of orange and black/dark grey/charcoal, but what I ended up liking the most were the alpha keys. The off white/beige is wonderful and the legends are crisp and large.
The colors were pretty accurate when matched with the renders on the MD page. The orange is not as bright as the pictures suggested, but that is a major plus IMO.
Aesthetically, SA profile is my absolute favorite. It just looks so damn sexy on any board. For me, SA is the only thing that should be put on an Ergodox...it just completes the look.
Quite a few keys had a marks on them (small scratches, discoloration, etc), but nothing bad enough for me to really care. Luckily, none of the blemishes were on top of keys.
A personal thought about the profile: If I had to choose a profile to live with for the rest of my life it would be Cherry. Having said that, typing on SA is just fine and I have no real problem with it.
A carbon SA keycap typing test with 65g Zealios!Thank you for the reply and your video. :thumb: Though my favorite part is the intro. Dont know why, but i have to stare at the C key every time i see it...
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
Thanks!
If you are about Jukebox then afaik Livingspeedbump will make another round. Check his IC thread for Round 2: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.350
In your case i would wait until Jukebox round 2 it will be greater then before thats for sure :)
Like always dont look just at renderers you have to imagine how its going to look in RL. And from my experience RL keysets looks always better than their renders and that by far.
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
Thanks!
If you are about Jukebox then afaik Livingspeedbump will make another round. Check his IC thread for Round 2: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71508.350
In your case i would wait until Jukebox round 2 it will be greater then before thats for sure :)
Like always dont look just at renderers you have to imagine how its going to look in RL. And from my experience RL keysets looks always better than their renders and that by far.
I think you may have misunderstood my question. When Jukebox shipped, there were extra sets that went up on Massdrop and Signature plastics. Will the same thing happen with Carbon?
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
T0mb3ry, do you know if there will be any sets going up on Signature Plastics site like there were with Jukebox? I was on the fence when these dropped, but I definitely feel like I missed out now that I've seen the finished product. Congrats on the great design coming out so well.
sent a message to pmk asking about this last week.
Answer: "No, we are not planning on selling Carbon sets on our site..."
sad day for all :(
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Sorry for the potato.
This is my first experience with SA keycaps. Having seen multiple photos of SA keycaps, I sometimes noticed what appeared to be keys that were not perfectly aligned. I thought it may have been due to camera perspective but some images looked like the deviation was to great to be accounted for by camera perspective and that there was a manufacturing issue with SA; maybe a flaw in the molds or tooling. So, as the delivery date approached, I began to get nervous. I dropped a lot of cash on this set, so that I could use it when I build my custom board in the future. When it arrived, I inspected nearly all the keys and noticed only some minor flaws on the left and right edges of the 1.5 novelty modifiers (the gray carbon rings), as if there was too much flash on the caps when they came out of the mold and someone was a little sloppy when they shaved it off. It also appeared that there might be a little crack on the edge of one of those modifiers, but upon closer inspection, I determined that it was not a crack. Also, the shaved edges of the modifiers wouldn't be visible when the caps are on a board, so I'm not worried about it. Some caps are not perfectly aligned. I don't know if that is a manufacturing flaw or if it's due to some idiosyncrasy with the plate and switches of my board. I only really notice the issue when I closely examine my board. In spite of these minor issues, this set looks great.
Jukebox was supposed to be my first SA set but, at the eleventh hour, I decided against purchasing it because some images of the color chip for the alphas appeared to be more tan than off-white and I didn't like the idea of tan and turquoise keycaps. So, when Carbon was introduced, I knew that I wanted to make it my first set of custom keycaps. The color of the Carbon alphas is fantastic. I could not imagine Carbon being better with a different shade of white on the alphas. And I know there have been several orange/gray sets in the past few years, but the addition of the off-white alphas really sets Carbon apart. And the gray color of the modifiers and industrial orange color of the novelties really pulls the theme together. Also, the options for various layouts meant that I could get the keys necessary to support my custom layout. Of course, that greatly added to the expense of this set. Do I think Carbon was worth it? Unequivocally, yes. I knew as soon as I saw it that I liked the design and colorway of this set. And as soon as I started typing on this set, I knew that I liked Sculpted SA. A lot. It sounds and feels great, and the profile really contributes to the visual appeal of Carbon. Prior to this, the best sounding Cherry MX-style caps I used were the POMs on the Choc Mini. Sculpted SA is my new favorite. The dimensions of the caps makes them sound and feel different than other profiles of ABS keycaps, such that I now realize that a comparison of plastic and thickness alone is not sufficient when judging two sets of keycaps of different profiles. The sound and feel of sculpted SA has certainly elevated my curiosity about Topre switches and what the experience of using Topre with SA would sound and feel like.
The only improvements I can suggest for Carbon are row 4 shift keys (already coming in round 2) and an orange backspace key to allow for an all orange (with the novelties) number row. I will definitely be buying row 4 shifts, and if an orange backspace key becomes available, I will be buying that too. Carbon and sculpted SA have spoiled me for other profiles. As much as I like Toxic and Hyperfuse, I now find them far less appealing because they are not sculpted SA. I now need to replace the keys on my other daily driver because they are not sculpted SA. If I have the funds, and if Yuri has Cyrillic-only alphas, I can almost guarantee that Yuri will be my next keyboard-related purchase.
Mine is supposedly out for delivery today, really excited to see my set in person!
E: My set just got here, typing on it now on my Novatouch. Absolutely love it! Not sure that the R3 shifts are that big of a deal, but if R4 shifts become available I might grab them as well. Love the set, even though SA profile will take some getting used to.
Mine is supposedly out for delivery today, really excited to see my set in person!
E: My set just got here, typing on it now on my Novatouch. Absolutely love it! Not sure that the R3 shifts are that big of a deal, but if R4 shifts become available I might grab them as well. Love the set, even though SA profile will take some getting used to.
GZ!
Hope your Novatouch is silenced. Did it today for my and i am blown away. It feels like piano with SA Profile.
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.
Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.
Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:
Thanks!
By the way please dont feel offended with my post about Novatouch. Pardon. I just didn't knew there are people who appreciate the stok version. Well everyone has its own preferences and likes :)
My Novatouch is not silenced. I rather like the sound it makes, and I never need to use this particular board in a quiet environment. If I ever get bored, I might take the plunge, but I don't feel the need to adjust it yet.
Overall I'm very impressed with this set, particularly the warning signs. You did a great job :thumb:
Thanks!
By the way please dont feel offended with my post about Novatouch. Pardon. I just didn't knew there are people who appreciate the stok version. Well everyone has its own preferences and likes :)
Oh no, I'm not offended at all. I've just never had the opportunity to try a silenced one, and I know I don't dislike the way it is now. If I ever have the opportunity to try a silenced version, I may change my mind :)
Will post some pictures after I get them off of the camera. Hopefully it will be tonight, but might not be for another day or two.
E: Full boardShow Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/1e7qk5vj1nppe3a/DSC05076.JPG)
More pics (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1982310#msg1982310)
Keys not on the board:MoreShow Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/uoegdlgbp7mge27/DSC05081.JPG)Show Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/i15h8mkxgkvuyap/DSC05082.JPG)Show Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/168yzqcrjp9p6sl/DSC05093.JPG)
Just got my Carbon set today and loving it! I missed out on a few of the optional addons that I now wish I'd purchased so I'm eagerly awaiting round 2!Show Image(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23943915525_e6636ca4c6_o.jpg)
Just got my Carbon set today and loving it! I missed out on a few of the optional addons that I now wish I'd purchased so I'm eagerly awaiting round 2!Show Image(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5818/23943915525_e6636ca4c6_o.jpg)
Is that GON and GON numpad on top? I appreciate the orange num row stripe. Actually didn't thought to use Carbon 1.5u logo like that. Neet idea :)
It's a WKL B.face X2 and B.pad. Unfortunately, I missed out on the numpad kit so it's got some other caps on it at the moment.This is that i thought. Unfortunately i got only amount of kits for personal and development use. Basically i do not sell kits and i do not have some spare lying around. But i think you will be able to find some on mechmarket or here on GH.
It appears the profile for rows 2 and 4 are just mirror image of each other so it worked out for the 1.5u mods. I put another one on Tab for the sake of symmetry.
It's a WKL B.face X2 and B.pad. Unfortunately, I missed out on the numpad kit so it's got some other caps on it at the moment.This is that i thought. Unfortunately i got only amount of kits for personal and development use. Basically i do not sell kits and i do not have some spare lying around. But i think you will be able to find some on mechmarket or here on GH.
Haha! Got my keys today. What great timing. Christmas Day. All deliveries running as normal since it's just another day. I was pretty shocked that I ordered so much. I think I went a bit overboard. The board I want to put the keys on is at work, so will have to wait until tomorrow. They do look fantastic from a brief look.Yeah minila! Actually i didn't thought Carbon could cover minila layout. So basically you did it with Base kit, Novelty kit, Planck kit and 3u spacebar (other kits like flex by the side).
Edit: So happy to have a set that fits this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EjeK4zI.jpg)
Yeah it was about 5 different kits I think. Won't be doing that again :)) Unless Yuri offers the same options. :eek: I have kits enough for it to go on a few different boards now though.I am wondering your minilas bottom row is quite different from that i usually know for minila. See the picture below:
Haha! Got my keys today. What great timing. Christmas Day. All deliveries running as normal since it's just another day. I was pretty shocked that I ordered so much. I think I went a bit overboard. The board I want to put the keys on is at work, so will have to wait until tomorrow. They do look fantastic from a brief look.
Edit: So happy to have a set that fits this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EjeK4zI.jpg)
Hi there!
Got my setShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/i1VsGsd.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dNfj6G6.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UwAxYFM.jpg)
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There seems to be a small issue with the keycaps: overall, the keycaps are terribly wide. This means that in some keyboards they collide with the left side. This is a picture taken from a spanish colleague:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2Ebx9cy.jpg)
He comments that he can't use the set on a Filco because the CTRL key rubs the case (on the left side) and sometimes even gets stuck and doesn't depress. I have tried my CTRL keys on my Filco (my pictures were taken on a WASD V2) and it seems like they rub the case just a tiny little bit. Being so tight it also means its very difficult to remove them because you have to press the key, insert the keypuller somehow, then pull them up.
So, IMO, if it could be done I'd suggest you try to shave the keys by 0,5 - 1 mm. As the key gets wider as you go down, shaving just a tiny little bit will deffinitely help with this issue, while maintaining the overall feeling and height of the keys.
Other than this, the colours and everything are astonishing.
Recieved my set today! :D
I really love the overall look of it; I've yet to encounter any flaws or damages. Thank you so much T0mb3ry for this set, awesome job! :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gl7ww0A.jpg)
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2Ebx9cy.jpg)
He comments that he can't use the set on a Filco because the CTRL key rubs the case (on the left side) and sometimes even gets stuck and doesn't depress. I have tried my CTRL keys on my Filco (my pictures were taken on a WASD V2) and it seems like they rub the case just a tiny little bit. Being so tight it also means its very difficult to remove them because you have to press the key, insert the keypuller somehow, then pull them up.
Got mine this week too, totally love them :D, was going to put these on my Planck when it eventually comes but I like them so much they're staying on my Pok3r daily driver.
edit. Only thing that's a little annoying is that the set doesn't have an orange backspace to complete a full set of orange across the top. Or maybe it did and I didn't order it, bah.
Mine basically looks like that with a grey backspace as you said no 2u orange. It looks so good on 60% boards :)Got mine this week too, totally love them :D, was going to put these on my Planck when it eventually comes but I like them so much they're staying on my Pok3r daily driver.
edit. Only thing that's a little annoying is that the set doesn't have an orange backspace to complete a full set of orange across the top. Or maybe it did and I didn't order it, bah.
Orange stripe action! No orange 2u Backspace thoughShow Image(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/24112464092_1f5a669229_o.jpg)
Is this ever going to go back on sale? I'm really sad that I missed out on it :(
I got my set a few weeks ago and tried to set it up on my Filco. Well the keys would rub on the edge of the top half of the case. So I removed the top so I can enjoy these caps!
Is this ever going to go back on sale? I'm really sad that I missed out on it :(
Probably.
I think, due to popularity of Carbon, it should run again.
I gathered enough feeback for next possible round.
I also would like to make some things different and make some corrections.
For example the graphene enter displayed below in the picture.
Also it shows other key sizes utilizing graphene.
I got my set a few weeks ago and tried to set it up on my Filco. Well the keys would rub on the edge of the top half of the case. So I removed the top so I can enjoy these caps!
That's what I'd call commitment! Jokes aside, I have them on a filco too and don't seem to have any problems of that kind. Which keys have been rubbing exactly?
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.
Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.
That is probably very possible, just depends if T0mb3ry wants to implement it or not. :)
Awesome stuff. :thumb:Id love to see WASD key caps and arrow keys in orange or gray as option also for the next drop.
That is probably very possible, just depends if T0mb3ry wants to implement it or not. :)
There will be a gamer kit of course. Also thinking about alternate arrows in general.
Trying out stuff.
These are edited scans. My scans dont represent the real colors but someone who got Carbon will know how its gonna look like in real envoirment.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IuLRIPW.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yyYbbZg.jpg)
Think it might be an overkill. However i'd like to know your opinion.
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.
I tend to agree. Very "busy" looking.
Something like a carbon molecule could make more sense though, maybe even just for some of the keys as well, like a homing key or the larger keys, etc.
https://dj1hlxw0wr920.cloudfront.net/userfiles/wyzfiles/c0a7c206-8117-4c33-b0f8-68a203913b36.gif
I don't like that design for 1u caps. It looks too much like a honeycomb pattern.
I tend to agree. Very "busy" looking.
Something like a carbon molecule could make more sense though, maybe even just for some of the keys as well, like a homing key or the larger keys, etc.
https://dj1hlxw0wr920.cloudfront.net/userfiles/wyzfiles/c0a7c206-8117-4c33-b0f8-68a203913b36.gif
Quite damn hard to achive something for a blank keys replacement. I mean just blanks is clean and so, but its empty and lacks this kind of thing there a person wants to examine all the keys. For the variaty i am thinking of warning signs in beige but in all rows. However i think i'll end up just with blanks.
Some mockups.
BlankShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)
Warning VuittonShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/F9NFKzq.jpg)
I for myself prefer standard keys from base set.
Some mockups.
BlankShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)
Warning VuittonShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/F9NFKzq.jpg)
I for myself prefer standard keys from base set.
Personally, I find the beige warning signs to be much less overwhelming than the uniform hexagon pattern. Personally, I still prefer blanks with a few accent keys, but it might be worth seeing what others are interested in.
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)
Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)
Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:
Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?
In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.
Considering they're piled in till July shipping, it'd probably be August or later..Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)
Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:
Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?
In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.
Yes it will run again this year. However i dont know the date. SP has been overrun with recent SA GB :)
I think there will be two ergodox kits. One like always only with blanks. Second one will be for professionals. It has kinesis layout but is also adjustable to ansi with some options.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXnikxP.jpg)
Thoughts on standalone Ergodox kit? It implements default Ergodox layout posted on github.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uRvgEdZ.jpg)
Edit: forgot blanks for tumb cluster... :rolleyes:
Umm are you going to reopen the group buy once more?
In any case, I think I like warning keys for alphas with legended mods.
I think there will be two ergodox kits. One like always only with blanks. Second one will be for professionals. It has kinesis layout but is also adjustable to ansi with some options.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXnikxP.jpg)
Damn! Gonna have to get myself some more carbon! :eek:
Please bring back the Carbon set for another GB!
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)
Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?
I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)
Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?
I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh? :D
Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.
Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)
Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?
I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh? :D
Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.
:0 where are you hearing this godsend of information?
I can't wait.Currently SP sells row 4 shifts for Jukebox, PuLSe and Carbon. They offer only the standard shift sizes (US ANSI). Just leaving it here :)
Will be R4 shift rows included in Carbon R2?
I planned it before. However SP offers them already. I think i end up offering only the unusual shift sizes (iso and 1.75u). But its not clear right now. But if you wish also the standard row 4 shifts, then just let me know. I'll look into it.I can't wait for the carbon. Jukebox would also be nice, but I think jukebox is dropping again right? Or am I thinking 1976?
Dont know, but i think jukebox will drop first then 1976. Decisions huh? :D
Edit: 1976 is droping in march. Guess first 1976 then jukebox.
Indeed you did. Sorry for the duplicate question -- I figured a forum like this was more appropriate than MD's discussion board for an expired drop. ;-)
Your work inspires me, and I'm going to keep at this "problem" for my own purposes. :)
I'm wondering if there's a way to design a kind of "light spreader" that can solve the uneven illumination problem. I know the stem will always be in the way, but I'm thinking there's got to be some simple way (a clear O-ring / silicon mold / fiber optic bundle / or other device) to get the light to bounce around and fill the cap more evenly.
I'll put some brainpower into and see if something dawns on me. In the meanwhile, I'm open to suggestions. =)
Some mockups.
BlankShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/luHNaFk.jpg)