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Title: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:34:20
Hola GH.

Any raw denim fans aside from Jwaz and myself on here?

I personally rock a pair of APC New Standards daily. New Momotaro 0702 on the way~
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:40:33
Do you have any opinions on the Gustin stuff? I've been trying to figure out what my first pair should be. Gustin's stuff looks nice and is affordable. Or maybe you could recommend a pair under $100 (perhaps from Rawrdenim's list)?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:47:15
Is Diesel not cool anymore?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:47:32
Raw denim.....is it like make your own clothes?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Novus on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:01:28
200 bucks for a pair of jeans.
geez
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:04:25
200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez

Fixed that for you :P
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:04:50
You never wash them right?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:05:34
You never wash them right?

http://www.rawrdenim.com/2012/10/three-more-ways-to-wash-or-soak-your-raw-denim/
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: quickcrx702 on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:32:10
I don't own a single pair of jeans.  I just never liked them.  Either I rock dress pants, or ****ies.  For some reason I just don't like the feeling of the fabric, kind of like sweaters for some people.  Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:53:17
Do you have any opinions on the Gustin stuff? I've been trying to figure out what my first pair should be. Gustin's stuff looks nice and is affordable. Or maybe you could recommend a pair under $100 (perhaps from Rawrdenim's list)?

Gustin is a great way to start. They make really good starter denim. I also always put my support behind Unbranded because thats how i got my start. They run around 80 dollars and are 14.5 oz. so they give you the true experience of raw denim.

I personally still wear my UB 104's and am trying to get them to fade to see what black denim fades look like.

I also have my old pair of UB 201's that didnt fit so well up on grailed for sale.

As far as starting up with raw denim goes, my list would be as follows: Unbranded (most true experience, aside from fit) > Gustin (if you dont mind waiting, getting some iffy fits occasionally) > Some naked and famous (be careful here, not everything they make is selvedge/raw) > APC (so low only because light denim, and high price, fits cant be beat though)

Really really looking forward to my momotaro jeans because they're my first non-starter brand, unless you consider APC non-starter.

For those that dont know about momotaro, heres a cool video. Granted, this video is quite old, and prices are out of date:

(Momotaro jeans cost about $300USD on average now)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sat, 08 February 2014, 00:27:40
yes please :p

200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez


not so different
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 01:53:04
yes please :p

200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez


not so different

Exactly, just different hobbies. :D
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: iri on Sat, 08 February 2014, 02:03:37
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?
no.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: xredman on Sat, 08 February 2014, 02:12:01
I wear Naked and Famous Left Hand Twill for a couple of years. It fades all right. I need to get some Momotaros or some Oni denims.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: quickcrx702 on Sat, 08 February 2014, 02:50:32
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?
no.

LOL okay.  I'll GTFO of this thread then.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Novus on Sat, 08 February 2014, 02:55:56
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?
no.

Does it accentuate your ass and make you more attractive to females?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: sth on Sat, 08 February 2014, 03:06:22
200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez

Fixed that for you :P
look i've spent a lot of money on keyboards but i've made most of it back selling my old stuff for what i paid, and there is a tactile difference between cheap keyboards and nice keyboards that i argue is minimal at best with expensive jeans and $50 levi's.
raw/selvedge denim is one of the dumbest and most flagrantly conspicuous things you can buy. the pants last as long or less as 501s, don't feel any better or worse (i've owned some before, they all feel the same after a few weeks), get blue on all your ****, and nobody gives a damn about the little piece of edge you show by cuffing your pants like a ****in rockabilly dork. you are practically burning money with this ****. go to H&M, Zara, urban outfitters (well, don't, but... if you must) and get jeans for 20-60 that 99% of people, including yourself, will not be able to tell are "cheap".
you're gonna wear em out at the same rate as regular jeans, and if the cheaper ones pop a seam, pick up a dang needle and dental floss and do work. if you can get raw jeans for cheap, go for it, but otherwise it's such a waste and it doesn't make you look better, it just makes you look like one of those people who spends way too much money on pants and not enough time doing things that actually make you cool.

You never wash them right?
i never wash even cheap jeans. the secret to selvedge is not the denim, its just that you wear them until they fall apart. just like normal jeans.

for the record i dress relatively 'hip' with the skinny jeans and vans and whatnots but my pants haven't cost me more than $40 since i figured out that selvedge is a crock. and jwaz can vouch i look better than everybody on this forum. i'm practically a fashion god in his mind. he gets all of his style tips from me.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 03:30:54
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.

There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.

So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: sth on Sat, 08 February 2014, 03:37:13
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.

There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.

So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.

i've owned selvedge denim. i used to think it made a difference but now i think i was wrong.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 03:42:01
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.

There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.

So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.

i've owned selvedge denim. i used to think it made a difference but now i think i was wrong.

I've owned and spent time with several pairs, if i didnt truly believe that they warranted the price, why would i keep shooting myself in the foot?

Its a hobby, to see how the denim ages, fades, shapes to your body, etc.

and there's a difference between raw and selvedge. Raw denim is no more expensive than regular jeans : IE Rigid Dragon Levis ($30)

This is a raw denim thread, not selvedge.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sat, 08 February 2014, 03:59:53
I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:07:18
I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/

Yeah I anticipated some hate.

But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.

In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.

This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.

Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.

Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:20:12
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.

Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: sth on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:23:12
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.

Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo

be careful they'll put your head on a pike
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:26:02
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.

Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo

be careful they'll put your head on a pike

There are tons of fits out there you just have to put some research into it.


I've got a few pairs and have been helping with the Massdrop stuff.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:30:04
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.

Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo

be careful they'll put your head on a pike

(http://i.imgur.com/150rZid.gif)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:34:59
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning into shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.

Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.

Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.


I got a pair of the N&F x Rockin Jellybean x Big John in the half dye 'Ruri' style but they were a size too small, probably putting them on eBay. anyone a size 31? (these fit weird, see blue owl)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:35:02
Before I start writing this post AGAIN I just want to say **** Apple and **** iPhones.


One of the best pairs of jeans I ever owned were a pair of Vibralux, they were black skinny jeans but (I'm guessing via magic) had latex in the weave or something so that they would flex and stretch a fair bit. Now I'm no emo and I don't wear skin tight clothing but these were awesome. I wore them loose but the extra give in them made them the most comftable jeans I've ever worn. I'm just gutted that they faded so quickly and fell appart...

If anyone here knows of a brand or anything that makes similar jeans let me know!
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:37:21
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.

Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.

Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.

The momos on massdrop are a godsend for me, almost pulled the trigger on the bm006 at full price last week. These will make a unique addition to my rotation, also the fades they get are almost an electric blue. Pretty neat imo.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:39:13
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.

Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.

Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.

The momos on massdrop are a godsend for me, almost pulled the trigger on the bm006 at full price last week. These will make a unique addition to my rotation, also the fades they get are almost an electric blue. Pretty neat imo.

All the black/indigo weft stuff will fade to that high-contrast blue, these are pretty reasonable for other brands that do that style. Especially compared to their average retail price CONUS, I'm sure they're much cheaper in Japan.


I was contemplating the RgT, 3sixteen, etc but the Momos are a hell of a deal.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:42:43
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.

Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.

Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.

The momos on massdrop are a godsend for me, almost pulled the trigger on the bm006 at full price last week. These will make a unique addition to my rotation, also the fades they get are almost an electric blue. Pretty neat imo.

All the black/indigo weft stuff will fade to that high-contrast blue, these are pretty reasonable for other brands that do that style. Especially compared to their average retail price CONUS, I'm sure they're much cheaper in Japan.


I was contemplating the RgT, 3sixteen, etc but the Momos are a hell of a deal.

RgT will probably be my next pickup. Ive always been a fan of the SK fit.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Novus on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:45:31
yes please :p

200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez


not so different

Well the distinction I'm drawing is that at that price you can go to a nice tailor at that price who will treat you nice and ask you how its hanging.

I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/

Yeah I anticipated some hate.

But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.

In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.

This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.

Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.


That's because this a keyboard forum and not a fashion forum. We all know why we're here and an explanation on why we spend more money on things that could be bought for 3-5x cheaper isn't necessary.

That standard doesn't immediately apply for things non keyboard related.

Not that I don't understand where you're coming from in wanting to discuss this with like minded people but it might help to have a nicer first post with some more details and info - like something you would see in YLLS might keep this discussion on track.



Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 04:46:18
If anyone is actually interested in learning a little bit about this stuff (as apposed to *****ing about how other people spend their money/ asking inane questions)
http://www.rawrdenim.com/ (http://www.rawrdenim.com/) (tons of great articles)
http://www.reddit.com/r/rawdenim (http://www.reddit.com/r/rawdenim)
http://www.styleforum.net/f/13/streetwear-and-denim (http://www.styleforum.net/f/13/streetwear-and-denim)
http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/forum/22-superdenim/ (http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/forum/22-superdenim/)

there are tons more if you feel like doing a little googling



RgT will probably be my next pickup. Ive always been a fan of the SK fit.


They make GREAT fits. Stealths are pretty cool if you aren't going for those momos or want a different fit.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: vun on Sat, 08 February 2014, 05:30:10
Before I start writing this post AGAIN I just want to say **** Apple and **** iPhones.


One of the best pairs of jeans I ever owned were a pair of Vibralux, they were black skinny jeans but (I'm guessing via magic) had latex in the weave or something so that they would flex and stretch a fair bit. Now I'm no emo and I don't wear skin tight clothing but these were awesome. I wore them loose but the extra give in them made them the most comftable jeans I've ever worn. I'm just gutted that they faded so quickly and fell appart...

If anyone here knows of a brand or anything that makes similar jeans let me know!

I assume it was just jeans with stretch, lots of jeans have that these days. Just ask for jeans with stretch in any half-decent clothing store and I'd imagine there'd be plenty to choose from.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sat, 08 February 2014, 10:16:35
Raw jeans stretch over time by themselves if they aren't washed, I have a pair of RRL, and some APCs, I'm eyeing those Momotaros on MD. Raw jeans have a better faded look than regular jeans, as the creases and wrinkles are natural, the fit also becomes better over time as the material stretches slightly to conform to your body. I never wash raw denim, I always dry clean them, as raw jeans shrink around 10% in the initial 2-4 washes.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 11:51:38
look i've spent a lot of money on keyboards but i've made most of it back selling my old stuff for what i paid, and there is a tactile difference between cheap keyboards and nice keyboards that i argue is minimal at best with expensive jeans and $50 levi's.
raw/selvedge denim is one of the dumbest and most flagrantly conspicuous things you can buy. the pants last as long or less as 501s, don't feel any better or worse (i've owned some before, they all feel the same after a few weeks), get blue on all your ****, and nobody gives a damn about the little piece of edge you show by cuffing your pants like a ****in rockabilly dork. you are practically burning money with this ****. go to H&M, Zara, urban outfitters (well, don't, but... if you must) and get jeans for 20-60 that 99% of people, including yourself, will not be able to tell are "cheap".
you're gonna wear em out at the same rate as regular jeans, and if the cheaper ones pop a seam, pick up a dang needle and dental floss and do work. if you can get raw jeans for cheap, go for it, but otherwise it's such a waste and it doesn't make you look better, it just makes you look like one of those people who spends way too much money on pants and not enough time doing things that actually make you cool.

i never wash even cheap jeans. the secret to selvedge is not the denim, its just that you wear them until they fall apart. just like normal jeans.

for the record i dress relatively 'hip' with the skinny jeans and vans and whatnots but my pants haven't cost me more than $40 since i figured out that selvedge is a crock. and jwaz can vouch i look better than everybody on this forum. i'm practically a fashion god in his mind. he gets all of his style tips from me.
First, I would argue the tactile difference with a pair of Samurais (proprietary denim 'recipe' which is woven ultra slow on Shuttle looms), Oni (another Japanese Co with a trade secret loom technique), Iron Hearts (ultra heavy weight) or even something Gustin's Grey Silk would blow 95% of all other jeans out of the water.

The cuff is definitely a person thing, if you can't be bothered to go to the tailor after making this kind of investment then whatever. I cuffed my jeans before I was into raw denim so unless they're over 36" I'm fine. Double cuff with some stacking! (but I'm over 6')

501s, which encompass a lot of different styles, ARE raw denim, er can be. Depending on if you mean 501 Shrink-to-fit. I saw some at the local denim shop for ~$250. Something about being a selvedge 1947 501xx.

The not washing thing is about getting contrast fades and if you don't really care about those no need to buy into the washing hype, a lot of the associated "techniques" are often debunked. See this: http://vimeo.com/56727014 (http://vimeo.com/56727014)

I've bought a LOT of garbage pants from H&M, UO, Levis, etc. I would wear them till I blew out the crotch (about 3-6 months). I am never going back to that. It's a waste of my time and money.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 12:08:33
yes please :p

200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez


not so different

Well the distinction I'm drawing is that at that price you can go to a nice tailor at that price who will treat you nice and ask you how its hanging.

I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/

Yeah I anticipated some hate.

But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.

In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.

This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.

Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.


That's because this a keyboard forum and not a fashion forum. We all know why we're here and an explanation on why we spend more money on things that could be bought for 3-5x cheaper isn't necessary.

That standard doesn't immediately apply for things non keyboard related.

Not that I don't understand where you're coming from in wanting to discuss this with like minded people but it might help to have a nicer first post with some more details and info - like something you would see in YLLS might keep this discussion on track.

You can draw your arbitrary lines wherever you choose. Thats up to you.

The point is that the justification for spending more on a keyboard is very similar to the justification for spending more on other luxury items, such as raw denim.

Its a step up from the normal (Rubber Domes, jeans from h&m) thats worth it to some, not to everyone.

I find it hilarious that you think that this kind of spending is only okay on things "keyboard related"

People spend their money in a lot of ways. Don't get too tunnel visioned.



Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 08 February 2014, 12:27:48
I don't understand the not washing part.  I understand the desire to preserve the color and what not, but within reason.  I was curious and had a look at the raw denim website, and it says there that you can wait to wash your jeans until 9 months of wear, if you wear them like a uniform 5 days a week....  :eek:  9 months of that much use, and I probably would not want to be in the same room with that person.  It's very unhygienic.  I had no idea it was even a "thing" until this thread.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sat, 08 February 2014, 12:41:23
http://abcnews.go.com/US/canadian-student-josh-le-year-washing-jeans/story?id=12722442
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 12:43:12
I don't understand the not washing part.  I understand the desire to preserve the color and what not, but within reason.  I was curious and had a look at the raw denim website, and it says there that you can wait to wash your jeans until 9 months of wear, if you wear them like a uniform 5 days a week....  :eek:  9 months of that much use, and I probably would not want to be in the same room with that person.  It's very unhygienic.  I had no idea it was even a "thing" until this thread.

Yeah, its a little different for sure, but there are several different ways people get rid of bacteria and smell without washing jeans.

Most people put them in the freezer overnight, that kills the bacteria, and most smell. Some people just hang their jeans to let them air out every night, it all depends on how you want to go about it.

I personally just wash them when they start to smell, which in the case of my first pair of raw denim was right around the 6 month mark.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 08 February 2014, 13:27:19
I don't understand the not washing part.  I understand the desire to preserve the color and what not, but within reason.  I was curious and had a look at the raw denim website, and it says there that you can wait to wash your jeans until 9 months of wear, if you wear them like a uniform 5 days a week....  :eek:  9 months of that much use, and I probably would not want to be in the same room with that person.  It's very unhygienic.  I had no idea it was even a "thing" until this thread.

Yeah, its a little different for sure, but there are several different ways people get rid of bacteria and smell without washing jeans.

Most people put them in the freezer overnight, that kills the bacteria, and most smell. Some people just hang their jeans to let them air out every night, it all depends on how you want to go about it.

I personally just wash them when they start to smell, which in the case of my first pair of raw denim was right around the 6 month mark.

Yeah, the no-washing thing has been keeping me away from buying some raw denim jeans for years.  I've been buying other jeans which cost pretty much the same (Joe's Jeans and G-Star Raw), so I'm not afraid of the price, it's just that I want to wash my jeans and throw them in the dryer.  My Joe's jeans may have pre-made (fake) whiskers, but they're hassle-free.  The other problem for me with APC brand jeans is Kanye West.  That fat French guy who owns APC -- Jean Touitou, fell in love with Kanye, or the other way around, or both ways around.  I dunno.  But when I think of APC, I think of Kanye West.  And I used to be a Kanye fan, but now I think he's a jackass.  And it's all due to Kim Kardashian.  Now I finally understand what my father went through with John Lennon and Yoko Ono. 

Anyway, those Moto jeans might be the answer.  Also, from the googles I learned that people are washing their raw denim jeans, apparently in cold water in a bucket or in the bathtub.  That will help keep the shrinkage down, and keep the color from fading, somewhat.  This all reminds me of what we used to do with our dark blue Levi's back in the '80's.  First you bought them a size too big.  Then you washed them once, and put them on while still wet.  And waited for the jeans to "shrink to fit".  Then you wore them for about a month before washing again, to break them in.  Also, you ironed them every time you wore them to get a nice crease in the front.  Some guys would sleep on them pressed under their mattress all night to get a "permanent" crease.  Those were some super thick denim.  I don't think Levi's makes that stuff anymore. 
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 08 February 2014, 13:37:53
This all reminds me of what we used to do with our dark blue Levi's back in the '80's.  First you bought them a size too big.  Then you washed them once, and put them on while still wet.  And waited for the jeans to "shrink to fit".  Then you wore them for about a month before washing again, to break them in.  Also, you ironed them every time you wore them to get a nice crease in the front.  Some guys would sleep on them pressed under their mattress all night to get a "permanent" crease.  Those were some super thick denim.  I don't think Levi's makes that stuff anymore.

Isn't what you're describing the Levi 501 Shrink to Fits (http://us.levi.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=11301980)?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 13:41:03
Dude. you CAN wash them. Nothing is stopping you. Seriously, this not washing has been blown way out of proportion.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 08 February 2014, 13:47:44
Dude. you CAN wash them. Nothing is stopping you. Seriously, this not washing has been blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, I'm sure everyone does (and should do) what they feel is right.  Personally, I just quoted what that RawrDenim.com site says in their guides.  They imply that a lot of people are anti-washing, so that's all I meant by that, as it surprised me.  There are gentle washing methods available if desired, such as hand washing and hanging to dry, as well as dry-cleaning.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:00:20
This all reminds me of what we used to do with our dark blue Levi's back in the '80's.  First you bought them a size too big.  Then you washed them once, and put them on while still wet.  And waited for the jeans to "shrink to fit".  Then you wore them for about a month before washing again, to break them in.  Also, you ironed them every time you wore them to get a nice crease in the front.  Some guys would sleep on them pressed under their mattress all night to get a "permanent" crease.  Those were some super thick denim.  I don't think Levi's makes that stuff anymore.

Isn't what you're describing the Levi 501 Shrink to Fits (http://us.levi.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=11301980)?

lol.   Did they bring them back?  I dunno, I haven't bought a pair of Levi's since about 1990.  I guess maybe I should check them out.

Dude. you CAN wash them. Nothing is stopping you. Seriously, this not washing has been blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, I'm sure everyone does (and should do) what they feel is right.  Personally, I just quoted what that RawrDenim.com site says in their guides.  They imply that a lot of people are anti-washing, so that's all I meant by that, as it surprised me.  There are gentle washing methods available if desired, such as hand washing and hanging to dry, as well as dry-cleaning.

Dry-cleaning is probably worse than wearing dirty jeans.  Perchloroethylene (or PERC), the dry cleaning chemical, "can harm the brain and central nervous system, damage the liver and kidneys, and is likely to cause cancer."  See, http://www.nrdc.org/living/chemicalindex/perc.asp

Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:04:45
Dry cleaning stuff vs. wearing dry-cleaned stuff is a different thing.  Anything toxic in high enough concentration will have obvious effects, but low enough concentrations may not have any measurable effect:
http://www.epa.gov/dfe/pubs/garment/ctsa/factsheet/ctsafaq.htm#7

I'm not advocating dry cleaning, just putting what you said in perspective.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: demik on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:09:33
Febreeze in the crotch and good as new.

Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:19:22
Febreeze in the crotch and good as new.

For 99% of situations.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:19:42
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Halverson on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:21:42

Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

You need money for your trip, save the pants till later. #YourMom
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:44:36

Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

You need money for your trip, save the pants till later. #YourMom

The Cap'n is a highly paid engineer-type.  He's a man on the way up.  You are going to crimp his style with too much mothering.  #buyMoarJeans.  http: http://www.google.com/Kanye+Is+A+Genius=Why_not_U_too_?+/APC_Jeans/zomg/SoKewl/$$$%

(http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wenn20503378__oPt.jpg)

@photoelectric:  You quote the EPA as if the EPA was on your side.  But, the EPA is a captured regulatory agency.  EPA is not a watch dog.  EPA is the lap dog of the American Chemical Manufacturers Association.  Don't believe me?  The EPA puts out "Safe" levels of mercury, lead, radon, radiation and arsenic, among other toxic stuffs.  You know how much arsenic is safe for you to eat?  NONE.  0.00 micrograms.  Not any.  Yet the EPA tells you it's okay to have a little arsenic, and some lead, and some radiation, and some perc.  So you can eat a radioactive, heavy metal taco, if you want, but please, none for me. 
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: demik on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:54:37
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Novus on Sat, 08 February 2014, 14:59:43
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.

There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.

So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.

I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/

Yeah I anticipated some hate.

But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.

In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.

This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.

Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.



If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.

There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.

So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.

i've owned selvedge denim. i used to think it made a difference but now i think i was wrong.

I've owned and spent time with several pairs, if i didnt truly believe that they warranted the price, why would i keep shooting myself in the foot?

Its a hobby, to see how the denim ages, fades, shapes to your body, etc.

and there's a difference between raw and selvedge. Raw denim is no more expensive than regular jeans : IE Rigid Dragon Levis ($30)

This is a raw denim thread, not selvedge.

yes please :p

200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez


not so different

Well the distinction I'm drawing is that at that price you can go to a nice tailor at that price who will treat you nice and ask you how its hanging.

I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/

Yeah I anticipated some hate.

But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.

In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.

This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.

Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.


That's because this a keyboard forum and not a fashion forum. We all know why we're here and an explanation on why we spend more money on things that could be bought for 3-5x cheaper isn't necessary.

That standard doesn't immediately apply for things non keyboard related.

Not that I don't understand where you're coming from in wanting to discuss this with like minded people but it might help to have a nicer first post with some more details and info - like something you would see in YLLS might keep this discussion on track.

You can draw your arbitrary lines wherever you choose. Thats up to you.

The point is that the justification for spending more on a keyboard is very similar to the justification for spending more on other luxury items, such as raw denim.

Its a step up from the normal (Rubber Domes, jeans from h&m) thats worth it to some, not to everyone.

I find it hilarious that you think that this kind of spending is only okay on things "keyboard related"

People spend their money in a lot of ways. Don't get too tunnel visioned.


Okay, Mr. Sensitive.

I would tell you to read my previous post again, if you weren't so busy taking yourself too seriously.

If you want to run a proper fashion thread do it like this:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3522118

Instead of whining about nobody's done their research or why people just don't understand.

Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.

+1. Tall skinny people and those asses.
**** them.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 08 February 2014, 15:02:28
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.

Wait a minute, Kanye is like 5' 5", and he looks okay in those APC jeans.  He's still a douchebag, but he looks good in those jeans.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/22/article-2374011-1AEE9A10000005DC-337_306x544.jpg)

Also, the guy who makes APC jeans is a short, fat little Frenchman, and even he looks okay in those jeans:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/09/article-0-1ABB862E000005DC-802_306x649.jpg)

So maybe there is hope?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: demik on Sat, 08 February 2014, 16:19:08
Closest I've gotten is the Levis STF. They felt too stiff. I mean I know you gotta wear them a lot to make them softer and I love the look of raw denim but.... so uncomfortable for me :(
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 08 February 2014, 16:23:42
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.

Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.

Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.

Gustin has sizes up to 38? I've seen a lot of companies do up to 36-38? Levi Shrink to Fit 501s went up to like 42.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: thegagne on Sat, 08 February 2014, 16:58:51
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 February 2014, 17:15:19
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

The slim Japanese Selvedge? I just saw some fit pics on r/rawdenim and they looked legit.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 08 February 2014, 20:16:40
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

The slim Japanese Selvedge? I just saw some fit pics on r/rawdenim and they looked legit.

They are pretty neat, from what i hear, they're good for the money, but unfortunately are excluded from every one of gap's sales.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sat, 08 February 2014, 20:56:29
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

I dont like the 501XX(Levis vintage clothing), they seems to be all straight fit, which is too loose for me :/ Levis do some regular 501 selveldge pairs too but for Japanese market only from what I see

I dont know what other regular brand's selvedge like but the one of G-star suck, have 3 of them, one washed looks pretty good but the 2 other raw are terrible, wear 'em for about 5 month and hard to see the fading. Plus their selvedge denim are made in VN, not Jp or US :v

Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sat, 08 February 2014, 21:26:48
Selvedge denim and raw denim are not the same, its just that most raw jeans companies prefer to use that method.
Non Selvedge:
(http://www.rawrdenim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/images.jpeg)
Selvedge:
(http://www.rawrdenim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/EDWIN_Nashville03.jpg)

And raw jeans ONLY means that they have never been washed by the manufacturer after being dyed, that is it. Compared to regular jeans that have been washed multiple times by the manufacturer before leaving the factory.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 08 February 2014, 22:39:38
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

I dont like the 501XX(Levis vintage clothing), they seems to be all straight fit, which is too loose for me :/ Levis do some regular 501 selveldge pairs too but for Japanese market only from what I see

I dont know what other regular brand's selvedge like but the one of G-star suck, have 3 of them, one washed looks pretty good but the 2 other raw are terrible, wear 'em for about 5 month and hard to see the fading. Plus their selvedge denim are made in VN, not Jp or US :v



hmm, i've never tried G-Star's selvedge jeans.  I got a pair of those wacky Arc 3D slim ones.  Also I got a pair of their cargo pants that are totally kewl for cargo pants.  But I got mine a few seasons ago, before they went with the total loaded diaper look that they have now.  https://www.g-star.com/en_us/product/men/jeans/20.0.50584.5773.3142

@Eric:  so the term "selvedge" just means the type of stitch they use to hem the denim?  Or does it mean something else?

Also if raw denim jeans are totally unwashed, then they are going to shrink a lot, and a sh!t ton of blue dye is going to come out the first 10-20 times you wash them.  Now i see why people don't wash them.  Also if you sit on a white couch, you will leave a blue stain.  Same with leather furniture too.  Any light colored furniture.  Isn't this a problem?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sat, 08 February 2014, 23:05:49
The term selvedge is shorten of "self egde" which mean the fabric itself have the border line like you saw in the picture up there (the most common color is red on white, others are blue, green, pink, yellow, orange and even rainbow on white,...) in looming process.

The shrink however depend on how the manufacturer want, you can have sanforized one to avoid shrinking when wash/soak them, but somebody love the unsanforized so they can have the best fit to their legs by taking a bath with hot water with the denim on
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sun, 09 February 2014, 00:54:13
found this today, for those who loving the deep dye, this is so good price on a Momo pair :( wish I had some money now :(

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/momotaro-0702-jeans
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sun, 09 February 2014, 02:34:14
found this today, for those who loving the deep dye, this is so good price on a Momo pair :( wish I had some money now :(

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/momotaro-0702-jeans

Yes, got in on this yesterday. Jwaz may be participating as well.

Good looking denim. Those fades they get are KILLER.

Front after 6 months (From what i can gather, every day or near every day):
(http://i.imgur.com/iATdSnYh.jpg)

Back after 9 months(every day or near every day, same pair):
(http://i.imgur.com/Ng3mUlB.jpg)

(Images borrowed from SuFu / Imgur, not me)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 09 February 2014, 02:37:09
Dat ass
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sun, 09 February 2014, 02:55:20
wow, so that's you in the 702s contest thread on SF ? :D that's awesome fade you got :p
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sun, 09 February 2014, 10:30:50
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

I dont like the 501XX(Levis vintage clothing), they seems to be all straight fit, which is too loose for me :/ Levis do some regular 501 selveldge pairs too but for Japanese market only from what I see

I dont know what other regular brand's selvedge like but the one of G-star suck, have 3 of them, one washed looks pretty good but the 2 other raw are terrible, wear 'em for about 5 month and hard to see the fading. Plus their selvedge denim are made in VN, not Jp or US :v



hmm, i've never tried G-Star's selvedge jeans.  I got a pair of those wacky Arc 3D slim ones.  Also I got a pair of their cargo pants that are totally kewl for cargo pants.  But I got mine a few seasons ago, before they went with the total loaded diaper look that they have now.  https://www.g-star.com/en_us/product/men/jeans/20.0.50584.5773.3142

@Eric:  so the term "selvedge" just means the type of stitch they use to hem the denim?  Or does it mean something else?

Also if raw denim jeans are totally unwashed, then they are going to shrink a lot, and a sh!t ton of blue dye is going to come out the first 10-20 times you wash them.  Now i see why people don't wash them.  Also if you sit on a white couch, you will leave a blue stain.  Same with leather furniture too.  Any light colored furniture.  Isn't this a problem?

Yup, its the stitching method for the hem, selvedge hems never curl, or fray; shrinking is a problem the first few times you wash them, but with raw jeans that first few times is usually in a span of 1-2 years; the first time I washed mine, I sat in a tub with the jeans on, it helped the jeans conform to my body a little better and possibly control the shrinkage to an extent. The color definitely rubs off on white, and some other lighter colors, I can't say I've experimented with white couches, but I do have a soft beige one that has no issues with bleeding onto the couch.

Levi's used to make selvedge denim a long time ago, but because the looms were shorter, they were not as efficient, when they upgraded their looms, Levi's sold or sent most of their selvedge equipment to Japan, which is why selvedge Levi's can be found in japan.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 09 February 2014, 12:21:21
don't own a single pair of jeans (dress code :X)

Kangaroo, still don't understand how $2k jeans exist
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sun, 09 February 2014, 14:16:01
wow, so that's you in the 702s contest thread on SF ? :D that's awesome fade you got :p

oh no no no, thats not me on those posts. These are just some example images.

I dont even have my 0702's yet :X
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: thegagne on Tue, 11 February 2014, 00:50:12
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.

Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.

The slim Japanese Selvedge? I just saw some fit pics on r/rawdenim and they looked legit.

Nah just the cheaper Bangladesh selvedge - I got them on sale for like $40. Still not bad overall. I've worn them a lot so they have "character" now.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: iri on Thu, 13 February 2014, 01:28:58
Okay, Mr. Sensitive.
can be shortened to "princess".

those asses.
**** them.
oh, may you please leave your intimate feelings for yourself.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:36:25
oops
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:39:14
So apparently there have been some problems with the momotaro massdrop over the last couple days. Today the word "SAMPLE" was added to the title of the massdrop, and shortly after the website was down. As of right now massdrop is down, kinda concerned about the state of this drop.

Working for me.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:41:15
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120717181217/pokemon/images/d/d9/Pikachu-pikachu-24423402-500-372.gif)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:44:04
And I still don't get the raw denim thing but hey I'm a fat guy so I couldn't wear them anyway. :D
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Thu, 13 February 2014, 19:44:25
Isn't that the drop close sooner than expect because of the large order count ? 138 seems to be a huge order to a company like Momo :D
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 13 February 2014, 19:47:14
Isn't that the drop close sooner than expect because of the large order count ? 138 seems to be a huge order to a company like Momo :D

Momos a lot bigger than you give them credit for, they're part of the Rampuya conglomerate (which is still probably not that large). Now if it was a company like The Flat Head it might keep them busy for a month or more. :P
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:47:02
ouch, I know they're in the same company with Japan Blue but always thought they're just small, thanks for pointing that out :D
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: nullstring on Fri, 14 February 2014, 04:09:21
If you're not into fades, then it seems like you're best off with Levis/Gap jeans.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: thegagne on Mon, 17 February 2014, 20:24:26
My gaps are starting to get some weak fades...
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Thu, 20 February 2014, 21:53:16
my Dirty Fade after 9 months  :p

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: n0rvig on Thu, 20 February 2014, 23:37:36
w00t raw denim thread!

Thanks for showing me what Selvege means. I've had a few pairs of these now. I started with a pair of Nudies. They wore out too easily. I replaced them with a pair of Naked & Famous, then a pair of United. If your jeans ain't worth as much as your keyboard then what's the point of playing.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:25:49
Sad day for massdroppers
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Thu, 27 February 2014, 09:23:20
so Rampuya refuse all the orders from MassDrop ? That's sad but the price is hard to believe also :D
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 27 February 2014, 09:24:04
my Dirty Fade after 9 months  :p

(Attachment Link)

Looks really good :)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 27 February 2014, 16:47:30
my Dirty Fade after 9 months  :p

(Attachment Link)

Dang, those look really good.

My Rogue territory SK's showed up yesterday!

They fit perfect, the fades are going to be amazing.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 27 February 2014, 18:19:55
OK, so apparently the RAW community is full of elitist *******s because anytime I try to ask a question on a RAW forum or the subreddit all I get are snarky sarcastic comments and people telling me to go back to shopping at Walmart. Is this a common thing amongst denimheads?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 27 February 2014, 22:45:54
OK, so apparently the RAW community is full of elitist *******s because anytime I try to ask a question on a RAW forum or the subreddit all I get are snarky sarcastic comments and people telling me to go back to shopping at Walmart. Is this a common thing amongst denimheads?

Not in my experience.

Sorry that happened to you noisy :( id be happy to answer any questions for you though!
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 08 March 2014, 20:10:25
my Dirty Fade after 9 months  :p

(Attachment Link)

Excellent progress! I'll have to post up mine after my next wash, they should be right around 6 months IIRC.

OK, so apparently the RAW community is full of elitist *******s because anytime I try to ask a question on a RAW forum or the subreddit all I get are snarky sarcastic comments and people telling me to go back to shopping at Walmart. Is this a common thing amongst denimheads?

That's lame but I think the same sort of ellitism can be found in any community of hardcore enthusiasts (e.g., *nix, shaving, e-cigs, etc)
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sat, 08 March 2014, 22:31:44
Keyboards...
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: iri on Sun, 09 March 2014, 05:00:56
That's lame but I think the same sort of ellitism can be found in any community of hardcore enthusiasts (e.g., *nix, shaving, e-cigs, etc)
not neccessary. here in russia i've seen this unpleasant elitism only among alpine snowboarders, even though we have online communities for pretty much every kind of enthusiasts, from pipe smokers to zoophiles.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 14 March 2014, 12:06:10
I refuse to let this die, here is a really well written article on selvedge today:

http://putthison.com/post/79476189803/what-is-selvedge-denim-why-does-a-selvedge
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 14 March 2014, 23:04:35
I refuse to let this die, here is a really well written article on selvedge today:

http://putthison.com/post/79476189803/what-is-selvedge-denim-why-does-a-selvedge

So, in other words, it doesn't matter, it's just semiotics and signifies a certain amount of pretension?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ekw808 on Sat, 15 March 2014, 11:55:49
In a way, yes. Most jeans that have selvedge edges are higher quality and have other selling points regular jeans don't (raw materials, higher quality dyes, various kinds of softer cotton); why companies emphasize on selvedge, I don't know, but one of the main reasons I prefer raw jeans is the fit, and the look of the jeans after extended periods of wear, I've gone through alot of less expensive jeans (CK, DKNY, AX, Express, cheaper RL's) which ranged from 30-100, and they have all ripped and/or deteriorated at a much higher rate than some of my raw jeans. I'd personally rather purchase 1 pair for 200-400$ that lasts 5 years+ instead of buying 2-3 every year; for non-enthusiasts it all depends on the cost-benefit and personal preference.

The weight of the jeans also comes into play in determining suitability, they come in 12 oz (lightweight), 14oz (medium), and 16oz+(heavyweight), lightweight jeans fade faster and usually don't have the same shelf-life as the heavyweight jeans, but heavyweight jeans require dedication. They are incredibly stiff when you first purchase them and feel like walking around with cardboard pants; the fades take the longest to settle, but these jeans can easily last 10 years+.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Sat, 15 March 2014, 12:25:03
Those 18+ oz denim can even stand itself :p
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Post by: jwaz on Mon, 17 March 2014, 17:41:22
Here is a follow-up: http://putthison.com/post/79875045318/the-meaning-of-selvedge-then-and-now-following

Those 18+ oz denim can even stand itself :p

I can't find the video ATM but this reminds me of Brandon for N&F doing a promo for that 32oz pair they did where he just walks out and stands them up on their own. So ridiculously unwearable and probably destroyed some equipment to make 'em

Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: bazh on Tue, 18 March 2014, 02:51:47
^: my friend's got an N&F Okayama Spirit pair lately and suprisingly, it can stand too (16 oz) :o

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7355/13237882383_b426da41a2_b.jpg)


//talk about the 32oz pair, just saw a guy on /r/rawdenim post his 2 days ago, that is a beautiful pair and stunning fade, but I will never try that, feel like it would be like robot with the first wear :p
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: IPT on Tue, 18 March 2014, 03:22:16
i honestly have no clue what im buying these days then when it comes to raw denim?.
i just get Levi's cause i find them the most comfortable and durable compared to other Jeans i've purchased in my price range.

Apparently my 501's are shrink to fit so they're raw denim?  On Levi's site my 505's are listed as raw denim but not shrink to fit.
They both have the warning that it may cause shrinkage.

Either way, i never knew there was really a different and treat them like my other Levi's 550's and 560's.  I just throw them into the wash after I wear them like 5 times.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 March 2014, 08:19:27
Apparently my 501's are shrink to fit so they're raw denim?  On Levi's site my 505's are listed as raw denim but not shrink to fit.

I'm not sure about the 505s but the 501 Shrink to Fits are raw denim. I was looking into getting those since they're within a comfortable price range for me. I didn't get them since I couldn't find any info/reviews on them (I didn't look too hard). Do you find the shrinking process to be difficult? I'm worried the length won't be right after I shrink a pair. And how to you go about shrinking them.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: IPT on Tue, 18 March 2014, 08:30:17
Apparently my 501's are shrink to fit so they're raw denim?  On Levi's site my 505's are listed as raw denim but not shrink to fit.

I'm not sure about the 505s but the 501 Shrink to Fits are raw denim. I was looking into getting those since they're within a comfortable price range for me. I didn't get them since I couldn't find any info/reviews on them (I didn't look too hard). Do you find the shrinking process to be difficult? I'm worried the length won't be right after I shrink a pair. And how to you go about shrinking them.

you're asking the wrong person haha. I didn't even know they were anything special.
I just knew they were annoying because of the button fly lol.

I just wash them as I wash my other jeans.  I did find them to get a little shorter as I wore them.  I personally don't wear them until i have no other jeans or something.  I guess it makes sense as they're the most faded jeans I own, very light blue color which i wouldn't have bought.  So i guess it does fade naturally based on washes.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: tribade on Thu, 20 March 2014, 21:53:31
I have a couple pairs of Naked and Famous jeans.  My friend lives in Montreal so I bugged him to take me shopping when I was there a while ago.  They're AWESOME.  And I've never had a pair of jeans that fits so nicely.  Thankfully they last seemingly forever so I won't (hopefully) spend as much money on them as I have on keyboards.  No guarantees though.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Sat, 22 March 2014, 00:22:36
I bought some PBJ xx-007's and I am LOVING them.

My first pair of top tier japanese denim, really loving the amazing texture to these.

Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 28 March 2014, 18:11:20
I bought some PBJ xx-007's and I am LOVING them.

My first pair of top tier japanese denim, really loving the amazing texture to these.



I demand pictures!
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: SeeThruHead on Sat, 29 March 2014, 06:20:16
I've had a pair of APC NC, KZO indigo (http://helloblackbird.blogspot.ca/2010/05/jeans-that-think-central-denim-by-kzo.html) and black, and a pair of blackbird hazelwood jeans. All suffered massive crotch blowout before they could get amazing fades. Though the KZO indigo were by far the best fitting/looking jeans I've ever owned.
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Post by: boradori007 on Wed, 02 April 2014, 00:42:18
All I need is Levis 511.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: SeeThruHead on Wed, 02 April 2014, 13:33:53
That's like coming into the keyboard forum and saying all you need is a logitech chiclet keyboard.
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Post by: dgneo on Tue, 11 April 2017, 14:01:09
(https://i.imgur.com/O1MMGky.png)

Necroing to post a ****ty (old) pic of my Elephant 2s
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 11 April 2017, 18:56:05
Does raw denim stain shoes?
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 11 April 2017, 19:00:41
Oh wow I didn't realize this thread existed! Nice!


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Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Tue, 11 April 2017, 20:05:08
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/O1MMGky.png)


Necroing to post a ****ty (old) pic of my Elephant 2s

Oh man - those look awesome. I tried on a pair of those.. or maybe it was the original Elephants, but I didn't think I could dedicate myself to breaking those in.

I'm currently looking for a pair of black/black or black/indigo denim - About to pull the trigger on some railcars (http://www.railcarfinegoods.com/Railcar_Fine_Goods_mens_Spikes_X026_p/rmjspikesx026.htm). Just missed the boat on some Noble Denim black/black raws  :mad:
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ImpendingxDoom on Tue, 11 April 2017, 20:31:16
Does raw denim stain shoes?

If its a newer pair, it will.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 11 April 2017, 20:52:11
I just have a couple of pairs of Levi 511's that are raw. I had a Pair of Nudie grim Tim's but I got too fat for them. They were barely used. Probably try and sell them soon.
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: pr0ximity on Sat, 14 April 2018, 06:13:42
Bump.

After ditching my 1.5 year old APC NS annumber of years back after they stopped buttoning to the top I finally decided to break in another pair of raws. Nothing fancy, Unbranded UB201. I forgot how stiff even lightweight raw denim is at first, but after the first week they're already feeling noticeably more comfortable. Just sucks it takes so long to get to the 1 year+ level of softness, my APCs are otherworldly comfortable, or were when they still fit  :p
Title: Re: Raw Denim Thread?
Post by: fatcoffeebeans on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:47:03
I have a collection of Pure Blue Japan pairs of jeans that are brand new and exclusives. I have a worn pair of PBJs, a worn pair of Unbranded 21 oz, and currently on day 122 (of 365) of consecutive wears for a 16.5 oz Tanuki NT pair and the fades are coming in really nice

will take a photo if anyone is interested