200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
You never wash them right?
Do you have any opinions on the Gustin stuff? I've been trying to figure out what my first pair should be. Gustin's stuff looks nice and is affordable. Or maybe you could recommend a pair under $100 (perhaps from Rawrdenim's list)?
200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
yes please :p200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
not so different
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?no.
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?no.
Do the uber expensive varieties of jeans feel better?no.
look i've spent a lot of money on keyboards but i've made most of it back selling my old stuff for what i paid, and there is a tactile difference between cheap keyboards and nice keyboards that i argue is minimal at best with expensive jeans and $50 levi's.200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
Fixed that for you :P
You never wash them right?i never wash even cheap jeans. the secret to selvedge is not the denim, its just that you wear them until they fall apart. just like normal jeans.
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.
There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.
So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.
There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.
So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.
i've owned selvedge denim. i used to think it made a difference but now i think i was wrong.
I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.
Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.
Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo
be careful they'll put your head on a pike
I've a couple if pairs of raw demin stuff but not an awful lot. Tbh I find that while the quality is better it's a lot easier for me to find styles and shapes I like from cheaper brands and when they are worn just but a new pair.
Maybe it's just me but I've found wear rate to be about the same for high end brands to the low end H&M cheap jeans.
Though I do still pine for some dark skinny fitting evisus with there simple back pocket logo
be careful they'll put your head on a pike
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.
Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.
Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.
Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.
Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.
The momos on massdrop are a godsend for me, almost pulled the trigger on the bm006 at full price last week. These will make a unique addition to my rotation, also the fades they get are almost an electric blue. Pretty neat imo.
I ****ed around with Unbranded (meh), which I will be turning it to shorts after getting bad advice from the retailer on fit/ sanforization characteristics and a bad tailor job.
Next was N&F Dirty Fade, much better but still kinda meh.
Rogue Territory Tonal Warps, these are super dope but still sanforized, probably my last sanforized pair before I start proxying Samurai, The Flat Head, PBJ stuff out of Japan. Maybe I'll grab the Momotaros that are on Massdrop since I haven't picked up any dark weft styles.
The momos on massdrop are a godsend for me, almost pulled the trigger on the bm006 at full price last week. These will make a unique addition to my rotation, also the fades they get are almost an electric blue. Pretty neat imo.
All the black/indigo weft stuff will fade to that high-contrast blue, these are pretty reasonable for other brands that do that style. Especially compared to their average retail price CONUS, I'm sure they're much cheaper in Japan.
I was contemplating the RgT, 3sixteen, etc but the Momos are a hell of a deal.
yes please :p200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
not so different
I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
Yeah I anticipated some hate.
But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.
In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.
This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.
Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.
RgT will probably be my next pickup. Ive always been a fan of the SK fit.
Before I start writing this post AGAIN I just want to say **** Apple and **** iPhones.
One of the best pairs of jeans I ever owned were a pair of Vibralux, they were black skinny jeans but (I'm guessing via magic) had latex in the weave or something so that they would flex and stretch a fair bit. Now I'm no emo and I don't wear skin tight clothing but these were awesome. I wore them loose but the extra give in them made them the most comftable jeans I've ever worn. I'm just gutted that they faded so quickly and fell appart...
If anyone here knows of a brand or anything that makes similar jeans let me know!
look i've spent a lot of money on keyboards but i've made most of it back selling my old stuff for what i paid, and there is a tactile difference between cheap keyboards and nice keyboards that i argue is minimal at best with expensive jeans and $50 levi's.First, I would argue the tactile difference with a pair of Samurais (proprietary denim 'recipe' which is woven ultra slow on Shuttle looms), Oni (another Japanese Co with a trade secret loom technique), Iron Hearts (ultra heavy weight) or even something Gustin's Grey Silk would blow 95% of all other jeans out of the water.
raw/selvedge denim is one of the dumbest and most flagrantly conspicuous things you can buy. the pants last as long or less as 501s, don't feel any better or worse (i've owned some before, they all feel the same after a few weeks), get blue on all your ****, and nobody gives a damn about the little piece of edge you show by cuffing your pants like a ****in rockabilly dork. you are practically burning money with this ****. go to H&M, Zara, urban outfitters (well, don't, but... if you must) and get jeans for 20-60 that 99% of people, including yourself, will not be able to tell are "cheap".
you're gonna wear em out at the same rate as regular jeans, and if the cheaper ones pop a seam, pick up a dang needle and dental floss and do work. if you can get raw jeans for cheap, go for it, but otherwise it's such a waste and it doesn't make you look better, it just makes you look like one of those people who spends way too much money on pants and not enough time doing things that actually make you cool.
i never wash even cheap jeans. the secret to selvedge is not the denim, its just that you wear them until they fall apart. just like normal jeans.
for the record i dress relatively 'hip' with the skinny jeans and vans and whatnots but my pants haven't cost me more than $40 since i figured out that selvedge is a crock. and jwaz can vouch i look better than everybody on this forum. i'm practically a fashion god in his mind. he gets all of his style tips from me.
yes please :p200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
not so different
Well the distinction I'm drawing is that at that price you can go to a nice tailor at that price who will treat you nice and ask you how its hanging.I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
Yeah I anticipated some hate.
But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.
In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.
This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.
Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.
That's because this a keyboard forum and not a fashion forum. We all know why we're here and an explanation on why we spend more money on things that could be bought for 3-5x cheaper isn't necessary.
That standard doesn't immediately apply for things non keyboard related.
Not that I don't understand where you're coming from in wanting to discuss this with like minded people but it might help to have a nicer first post with some more details and info - like something you would see in YLLS might keep this discussion on track.
I don't understand the not washing part. I understand the desire to preserve the color and what not, but within reason. I was curious and had a look at the raw denim website, and it says there that you can wait to wash your jeans until 9 months of wear, if you wear them like a uniform 5 days a week.... :eek: 9 months of that much use, and I probably would not want to be in the same room with that person. It's very unhygienic. I had no idea it was even a "thing" until this thread.
I don't understand the not washing part. I understand the desire to preserve the color and what not, but within reason. I was curious and had a look at the raw denim website, and it says there that you can wait to wash your jeans until 9 months of wear, if you wear them like a uniform 5 days a week.... :eek: 9 months of that much use, and I probably would not want to be in the same room with that person. It's very unhygienic. I had no idea it was even a "thing" until this thread.
Yeah, its a little different for sure, but there are several different ways people get rid of bacteria and smell without washing jeans.
Most people put them in the freezer overnight, that kills the bacteria, and most smell. Some people just hang their jeans to let them air out every night, it all depends on how you want to go about it.
I personally just wash them when they start to smell, which in the case of my first pair of raw denim was right around the 6 month mark.
This all reminds me of what we used to do with our dark blue Levi's back in the '80's. First you bought them a size too big. Then you washed them once, and put them on while still wet. And waited for the jeans to "shrink to fit". Then you wore them for about a month before washing again, to break them in. Also, you ironed them every time you wore them to get a nice crease in the front. Some guys would sleep on them pressed under their mattress all night to get a "permanent" crease. Those were some super thick denim. I don't think Levi's makes that stuff anymore.
Dude. you CAN wash them. Nothing is stopping you. Seriously, this not washing has been blown way out of proportion.
This all reminds me of what we used to do with our dark blue Levi's back in the '80's. First you bought them a size too big. Then you washed them once, and put them on while still wet. And waited for the jeans to "shrink to fit". Then you wore them for about a month before washing again, to break them in. Also, you ironed them every time you wore them to get a nice crease in the front. Some guys would sleep on them pressed under their mattress all night to get a "permanent" crease. Those were some super thick denim. I don't think Levi's makes that stuff anymore.
Isn't what you're describing the Levi 501 Shrink to Fits (http://us.levi.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=11301980)?
Dude. you CAN wash them. Nothing is stopping you. Seriously, this not washing has been blown way out of proportion.
Yeah, I'm sure everyone does (and should do) what they feel is right. Personally, I just quoted what that RawrDenim.com site says in their guides. They imply that a lot of people are anti-washing, so that's all I meant by that, as it surprised me. There are gentle washing methods available if desired, such as hand washing and hanging to dry, as well as dry-cleaning.
Febreeze in the crotch and good as new.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
You need money for your trip, save the pants till later. #YourMom
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.
There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.
So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.
I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
Yeah I anticipated some hate.
But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.
In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.
This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.
Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.
If this is going to turn into a hate thread, we can close it up.
There are several reasons why people would choose raw over regular jeans and just because you dont give enough of a **** to go research why, dosent mean that you have to come in here and **** all over others hobbies.
So sth, i invite you to go to another thread and ***** to someone else.
i've owned selvedge denim. i used to think it made a difference but now i think i was wrong.
I've owned and spent time with several pairs, if i didnt truly believe that they warranted the price, why would i keep shooting myself in the foot?
Its a hobby, to see how the denim ages, fades, shapes to your body, etc.
and there's a difference between raw and selvedge. Raw denim is no more expensive than regular jeans : IE Rigid Dragon Levis ($30)
This is a raw denim thread, not selvedge.
yes please :p200 bucks for a keyboard.
geez
not so different
Well the distinction I'm drawing is that at that price you can go to a nice tailor at that price who will treat you nice and ask you how its hanging.I now understand why jwaz didn't make a selvedge thread here before as he told me :/
Yeah I anticipated some hate.
But I would think that it isnt much of a stretch to apply the same rational we apply to our high end keyboards to other things, such as Jeans, shoes, food, whatever.
In my mind, if people want to spend their disposable income on a luxury item, cool.
This thread was made to discuss a hobby with other likeminded people.
Not to debate why raw denim is or isnt worth it. Frankly, sth has clearly made up his mind, and i've made up mine. Leave it at that.
That's because this a keyboard forum and not a fashion forum. We all know why we're here and an explanation on why we spend more money on things that could be bought for 3-5x cheaper isn't necessary.
That standard doesn't immediately apply for things non keyboard related.
Not that I don't understand where you're coming from in wanting to discuss this with like minded people but it might help to have a nicer first post with some more details and info - like something you would see in YLLS might keep this discussion on track.
You can draw your arbitrary lines wherever you choose. Thats up to you.
The point is that the justification for spending more on a keyboard is very similar to the justification for spending more on other luxury items, such as raw denim.
Its a step up from the normal (Rubber Domes, jeans from h&m) thats worth it to some, not to everyone.
I find it hilarious that you think that this kind of spending is only okay on things "keyboard related"
People spend their money in a lot of ways. Don't get too tunnel visioned.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.
Sadly I'm too short for raw denim. And fat. **** is made for tall lanky people.
Bro I'm about to get some and I fit that description.
Good luck finding a size bigger than 32. And prepare to cuff your pants and look stupid. Or get them cut. But they never look right :(. I hate you tall skinny people.
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
The slim Japanese Selvedge? I just saw some fit pics on r/rawdenim and they looked legit.
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
I dont like the 501XX(Levis vintage clothing), they seems to be all straight fit, which is too loose for me :/ Levis do some regular 501 selveldge pairs too but for Japanese market only from what I see
I dont know what other regular brand's selvedge like but the one of G-star suck, have 3 of them, one washed looks pretty good but the 2 other raw are terrible, wear 'em for about 5 month and hard to see the fading. Plus their selvedge denim are made in VN, not Jp or US :v
found this today, for those who loving the deep dye, this is so good price on a Momo pair :( wish I had some money now :(
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/momotaro-0702-jeans
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
I dont like the 501XX(Levis vintage clothing), they seems to be all straight fit, which is too loose for me :/ Levis do some regular 501 selveldge pairs too but for Japanese market only from what I see
I dont know what other regular brand's selvedge like but the one of G-star suck, have 3 of them, one washed looks pretty good but the 2 other raw are terrible, wear 'em for about 5 month and hard to see the fading. Plus their selvedge denim are made in VN, not Jp or US :v
hmm, i've never tried G-Star's selvedge jeans. I got a pair of those wacky Arc 3D slim ones. Also I got a pair of their cargo pants that are totally kewl for cargo pants. But I got mine a few seasons ago, before they went with the total loaded diaper look that they have now. https://www.g-star.com/en_us/product/men/jeans/20.0.50584.5773.3142
@Eric: so the term "selvedge" just means the type of stitch they use to hem the denim? Or does it mean something else?
Also if raw denim jeans are totally unwashed, then they are going to shrink a lot, and a sh!t ton of blue dye is going to come out the first 10-20 times you wash them. Now i see why people don't wash them. Also if you sit on a white couch, you will leave a blue stain. Same with leather furniture too. Any light colored furniture. Isn't this a problem?
wow, so that's you in the 702s contest thread on SF ? :D that's awesome fade you got :p
I got a pair of raw selvage levis (yes they exist), but they were 501s and don't fit well. Got another pair of selvage 1969's from Gap that I wear almost daily and they fit SO well.
Will eventually pick up a pair of Gustins. A friend of mine got some, they are pretty nice.
The slim Japanese Selvedge? I just saw some fit pics on r/rawdenim and they looked legit.
Okay, Mr. Sensitive.can be shortened to "princess".
those asses.oh, may you please leave your intimate feelings for yourself.
**** them.
So apparently there have been some problems with the momotaro massdrop over the last couple days. Today the word "SAMPLE" was added to the title of the massdrop, and shortly after the website was down. As of right now massdrop is down, kinda concerned about the state of this drop.
Isn't that the drop close sooner than expect because of the large order count ? 138 seems to be a huge order to a company like Momo :D
my Dirty Fade after 9 months :p
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my Dirty Fade after 9 months :p
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OK, so apparently the RAW community is full of elitist *******s because anytime I try to ask a question on a RAW forum or the subreddit all I get are snarky sarcastic comments and people telling me to go back to shopping at Walmart. Is this a common thing amongst denimheads?
my Dirty Fade after 9 months :p
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OK, so apparently the RAW community is full of elitist *******s because anytime I try to ask a question on a RAW forum or the subreddit all I get are snarky sarcastic comments and people telling me to go back to shopping at Walmart. Is this a common thing amongst denimheads?
That's lame but I think the same sort of ellitism can be found in any community of hardcore enthusiasts (e.g., *nix, shaving, e-cigs, etc)not neccessary. here in russia i've seen this unpleasant elitism only among alpine snowboarders, even though we have online communities for pretty much every kind of enthusiasts, from pipe smokers to zoophiles.
I refuse to let this die, here is a really well written article on selvedge today:
http://putthison.com/post/79476189803/what-is-selvedge-denim-why-does-a-selvedge
Those 18+ oz denim can even stand itself :p
Apparently my 501's are shrink to fit so they're raw denim? On Levi's site my 505's are listed as raw denim but not shrink to fit.
Apparently my 501's are shrink to fit so they're raw denim? On Levi's site my 505's are listed as raw denim but not shrink to fit.
I'm not sure about the 505s but the 501 Shrink to Fits are raw denim. I was looking into getting those since they're within a comfortable price range for me. I didn't get them since I couldn't find any info/reviews on them (I didn't look too hard). Do you find the shrinking process to be difficult? I'm worried the length won't be right after I shrink a pair. And how to you go about shrinking them.
I bought some PBJ xx-007's and I am LOVING them.
My first pair of top tier japanese denim, really loving the amazing texture to these.
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Necroing to post a ****ty (old) pic of my Elephant 2s
Does raw denim stain shoes?