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Title: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | GB LIVE
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:47:49

(https://i.imgur.com/73UjvEA.png)
KAT Napoleonic
Inspired by early 19th century history.
Optimized for affordable language compatibility.

GB THREAD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109526 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109526)
Home Page: https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/ (https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/)
Survey: https://forms.gle/REnoicL2PNNU1VJE6 (https://forms.gle/REnoicL2PNNU1VJE6)

Group Buy November 9th, 2020

• United States: MKUltra (https://mkultra.click/)
• Europe: mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
• Canada: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/)
• Also Canada: g Heavy Industries (https://www.gboards.ca/) (Madness Kit only)
• Southeast Asia: Hex Keyboards (https://hexkeyboards.com/)
• South America: Fancy Customs (https://fancycustoms.com/)
• China / Rest of World: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/)

Prices
Check out the prices on Wordpress (https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/#vendors) or in the tables below.

Quick Summary
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Full Table of All Prices

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                                       | zFrontier | MKUltra  | myKeyboard | Ashkeebs |HEX Keyboards|Fancy Customs|
---------------------------------------| (China)   | (USA)    | (Europe)   | (Canada) |   (SE Asia) | (S. America)|
ALPHAS                                 |       USD |      USD |        EUR |      CAD |         SGD |         CLP |
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Default US English - Jefferson         |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |    $ 27.290 |

Belgian & Apple French - Marie Louise  |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |             |
BÉPO - Bépoleon Nonaparte              |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Canadian French - Chateauguay          |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Cherokee - Sequoyah                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |             |
Colemak - Jonathan Strange             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 40.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 54.00 |     $ 58.00 |             |

Dvorak - Mr Norrell                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |     $ 51.00 |             |
EurKEY - Blücher                       |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
French for Windows - Joséphine         |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
German - Metternich                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
Hungarian & South Slavic - Doppelkaiser|   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |

Japanese - Nagasaki                    |   $ 42.00 |  $ 40.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 54.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Nordic - Bernadotte                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |             |
Polish & Lithuanian - Uhlan            |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
Russian - Alexander                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |     $ 51.00 |    $ 30.490 |
South Slavic Cyrillic - Karađorđe      |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |

Spanish - Agustina                     |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |    $ 30.490 |
Swiss - Act of Mediation               |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Tamil - Pondicherry                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |    $ 27.290 |
UK English & Irish - Wellington        |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |             |
US Int'l & Netherlands - Waterloo      |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
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CORE MODS
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TKL Mods - French Indigo               |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Mods - Russian Green               |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Mods - Austrian White              |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Alt Mods - British Navy            |   $ 52.00 |  $ 48.00 |    € 54,00 |  $ 65.00 |     $ 70.00 |    $ 41.690 |

Numpad - French Indigo                 |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |
Numpad - Russian Green                 |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |
Numpad - Austrian White                |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |

Ortho Mods - French Indigo             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Ortho Mods - Russian Green             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Ortho Mods - Austrian White            |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |

Forties Mods - French Indigo           |   $ 51.00 |  $ 47.00 |    € 52,00 |  $ 64.00 |     $ 70.00 |             |
Forties Mods - Russian Green           |   $ 51.00 |  $ 47.00 |    € 52,00 |  $ 64.00 |     $ 70.00 |             |

Ergo Mods - French Indigo              |   $ 58.00 |  $ 55.00 |    € 59,00 |  $ 74.00 |     $ 80.00 |             |
Ergo Mods - Russian Green              |   $ 58.00 |  $ 55.00 |    € 59,00 |  $ 74.00 |     $ 80.00 |             |
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MISC
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Spacebars                              |   $ 30.00 |  $ 28.00 |    € 32,00 |  $ 37.00 |     $ 40.00 |    $ 24.090 |
Novelties                              |   $ 38.00 |  $ 35.00 |    € 39,00 |  $ 47.00 |     $ 51.00 |    $ 30.490 |
Mac Kit                                |   $ 21.00 |  $ 20.00 |    € 23,00 |  $ 26.00 |     $ 28.00 |    $ 16.890 |
Blank Ergo Ortho Kit                   |   $ 56.00 |  $ 52.00 |    € 57,00 |  $ 70.00 |             |             |

Madness Kit (also sold by g Heavy)     |   $ 47.00 |  $ 44.00 |    € 49,00 |  $ 60.00 |             |             |
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NOTES

- Shipping & Handling charged separately for all vendors, except for zFrontier (orders over 100 USD).
- Prices for myKeyboard & Fancy Customs include VAT.  Prices for HEX Keyboards include GST.
- Prices for MKUltra, zFrontier, g Heavy, & Ashkeebs exclude sales tax (where applicable).
- Ashkeebs allows customers to pay in USD or CAD.  USD prices for Ashkeebs match those from MKUltra.
- Fancy Customs allows customers to pay in USD or CLP.  USD prices for Fancy Customs match those from zFrontier.
- HEX Keyboards allows customers to pay in AUD, USD, GBP, EUR, or SGD (auto-calculated).
- g Heavy Industries will act as an additional vendor for the Madness Kit only (priced at 60 CAD).

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Other Links

• Main KAT Napoleonic Site (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/) on Wordpress
• KAT Napoleonic Interest Check Survey (https://forms.gle/REnoicL2PNNU1VJE6)
• Renders & Kits on imgur:
  • All Renders (https://imgur.com/a/WAU68M1)
  • All Alpha Kits (https://imgur.com/a/twLqZuV)
  • All Mod & Miscellaneous Kits (https://imgur.com/a/pGfjJOm)

Updates
2020 Oct 28 - Added Pricing Table

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2020 Oct 08 - Updated vendor list.
2020 Sep 30 - Added the British Navy alternative TKL Mods kit along with renders.  Updated the French Indigo Ortho mods to use icons only. Updated vendor list.
2020 Sep 24 - Posted news regarding collabs: artisans, deskmats, mousepads, clothing, et cetera. Announced partnerships with Keeb Nerb and Divine Studios.

2020 Sep 15 - Added new and updated renders. Added three new alpha kits. Details available on Wordpress (https://katnapoleonic.com/2020/09/15/kat-napoleonic-updated-renders-new-alphas/).

2020 Sep 08 - Added HEX Keyboards as new Southeast Asia vendor.  Multiple kit updates. Details available on Wordpress (https://katnapoleonic.com/2020/09/08/kat-napoleonic-sept-8th-updates/).
2020 Aug 24 - Official Launch of Geekhack IC

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(https://i.imgur.com/WZsn9Zj.jpg)
US English on KBD19X by KBDfans. Renders by Manzel.

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Background

Tactician.
Tyrant.
Modernizer.
Murderer.

On the Ninth of November, 1799 (18 Brumaire in the Revolutionary calendar), a coup d’etat overthrew the French Directorate and replaced it with a new government: a Consulate to be led by General Napoleon Bonaparte. Just a few short years later, he would be crowned Emperor.

To say his rise to power ruffled a few feathers across Europe would be a gross understatement. While he is credited with bringing about positive reforms to the legal and governmental systems of France, his legacy is one tainted by costly, bloody wars across the continent.

Those early decades of the nineteenth century, from Napoleon’s rise to his death, roughly mark the Napoleonic Period, an era that left indelible marks upon the face of Europe and the world.

KAT Napoleonic is a keycap set in the KAT profile that explores the history and artistic depictions of the Napoleonic Period.

(https://i.imgur.com/IArFU8p.jpg)
US International on Mech27-TKL by Mech27. Render by Manzel.

Neoclassical Typeface
KAT Napoleonic utilizes a modified form of Playfair Display for most of its alpha keys and legend text. It is a serif-based typeface (uncommon in keycaps), and it is inspired by the Transitional and Neoclassical typefaces of the nineteenth century: Baskerville, Bodoni, and Didot.

Wide Affordable Localization
Because of the global nature of Napoleon’s impact on history, a primary goal for KAT Napoleonic has always been wide localization support. While it may not always be practical for manufacturers to support a wider array of languages and layouts in a cost-effective manner, the KAT profile does provide that flexibility.

While this keyset cannot feasibly provide support for every language worldwide, KAT Napoleonic supports more than twenty-one locales in base alpha kits. Kits available include many that are rarely (if ever) seen in the Mechanical Keyboard hobby: Swiss, BÉPO, South Slavic, Tamil, Cherokee, and Canadian French.

Colors & Uniforms
KAT Napoleonic’s primary alpha legends present dark indigo text upon a warm, ivory-like white background. A lower-contrast yellow-gold color is used for alpha key sublegends.

KAT Napoleonic’s modifier keys come in three “uniforms” of color, each inspired by the military uniforms of the era, with particular attention to the Battle of Austerlitz (1805). Austerlitz was a clash of three empires: France, Russia, and Austria. For KAT Napoleonic, you are likewise given a choice of three uniforms: French Indigo, Russian Green, and Austrian White.

Read more about the Colors & Uniforms (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#colors-uniforms) on Wordpress.

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Renders
Only a subset of renders are shown here (to keep the page from taking forever to load).
Please visit the Wordpress site (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#renders) to view all renders in full resolution. Alternatively, check out the Renders album (https://imgur.com/a/WAU68M1) on imgur.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nvbq7vX.jpg)
Conone by kindakeyboards. Wellington alphas with British Navy Alt TKL Mods. Render by manzel.

(https://i.imgur.com/4M3TJUi.jpg)
S7-Elephant by jacky. Metternich alphas with TKL mods in Austrian White & Novelties. Render by manzel.

(https://i.imgur.com/GGVXJtD.jpg)
Mech27-TKL by Mech27. Waterloo alphas with TKL mods in French Indigo. Render by manzel.

(https://i.imgur.com/Scu2o61.jpg)
Boardrun CNC by Shensmobile. Uhlan alphas with Ergo mods in Russian Green & Novelties. Render by manzel.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ju2MQD1.jpg)
Neuron by walletburner. Pondicherry alphas with Forties mods in French Indigo. Render by manzel.

(https://i.imgur.com/1X5CLWD.jpg)
Abacus by SomeGreekGuy (unreleased). Austrian White numpad kit. Render by manzel.

Kits
As is typical for KAT, customers will need to choose a selection of “kits” that together will cover their chosen keyboard(s). For KAT Napoleonic, kits are broken into three major categories:

• Alpha Kits
• Core Mod Kits
• Miscellaneous Kits

Kit Details (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#kits)
Imgur Albums

• All Alpha Kits (https://imgur.com/a/twLqZuV)
• All Mod & Miscellaneous Kits (https://imgur.com/a/pGfjJOm)

Alpha Kits
There are 21 different base Alpha kits currently planned. This list is not final, and some locales may be removed, updated, or added based on the results of the Interest Check survey (https://forms.gle/YH9a1SR9BfRoEj2f7).

Alpha Kits Table

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Alpha kits that provide standard US QWERTY characters either in legends or sublegends are noted in bold in the rightmost column.

Except where noted, all Alpha kits use Windows 10 as the basis for all legends.  Not all characters produced by AltGr or Shift+AltGr are provided in sublegends, with some omitted to keep kit sizes and prices from ballooning while maintaining compatibility.

The latest images are currently provided in this album:
KAT Napoleonic Alpha Kits (https://imgur.com/a/twLqZuV)

Alpha Kit	Languages / Locales
Default US English – Jefferson (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/01-alphas-default-us-english-jefferson.png)	US English
Belgian & Apple French – Marie Louise (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/21-alphas-belgian-apple-french-marie-louise.png)	Belgian French & French for MacOS / iOS
BÉPO – Bépoleon Nonaparte (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/22-alphas-bepo-bepoleon-nonaparte.png)	French BÉPO
Canadian French – Chateauguay (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/23-alphas-canadian-french-chateauguay.png)	Combined Canadian Multilingual & Canadian French
Cherokee – Sequoyah (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/24-alphas-cherokee-sequoyah.png)	Cherokee Nation layout with US sublegends
Colemak – Jonathan Strange (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/25-alphas-colemak-jonathan-strange.png)	Colemak, Mod-DH, Mod-DHm, Asset, Norman, Qwpr, & Workman
Dvorak – Mr Norrell (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/26-alphas-dvorak-mr-norrell.png)	US & UK Dvorak
EurKEY – Blücher (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/27-alphas-eurkey-blucher.png)	EurKEY versions 1.2 & 1.3 (US primary legends)
French for Windows – Joséphine (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/28-alphas-french-for-windows-josephine.png)	French for Windows (Legacy standard AZERTY)
German – Metternich (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/29-alphas-german-metternich.png)	German / Austrian QWERTZ
Hungarian & South Slavic – Doppelkaiser (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/30-alphas-hungarian-south-slavic-doppelkaiser.png)	Combined South Slavic Latin & Hungarian QWERTZ
Japanese – Nagasaki (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/31-alphas-japanese-nagasaki.png)	Japanese (JIS & ANSI-JP) with Katakana (US primary legends for ANSI-JP layout)
Nordic – Bernadotte (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/32-alphas-nordic-bernadotte.png)	Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Faroese, & Estonian
Polish & Lithuanian – Uhlan (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/33-alphas-polish-lithuanian-uhlan.png)	Combined US English, Polish Programmers’ layout, & Lithuanian QWERTY
Russian – Alexander (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/34-alphas-russian-alexander.png)	Russian, Ukrainian, & Belarusian with US sublegends
South Slavic Cyrillic – Karađorđe (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/35-alphas-south-slavic-cyrillic-karadorde.png)	South Slavic Cyrillic with South Slavic Latin QWERTZ sublegends
Spanish – Agustina (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/36-alphas-spanish-agustina.png)	Spanish (European & Latin American)
Swiss – Act of Mediation (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/37-alphas-swiss-act-of-mediation.png)	Swiss French & Swiss German QWERTZ
Tamil – Pondicherry (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/38-alphas-tamil-pondicherry.png)	Indian Tamil 99
UK English & Irish – Wellington (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/39-alphas-uk-english-irish-wellington.png)	Standard UK English QWERTY with Irish vowel sublegends
US Int’l & Netherlands – Waterloo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/40-alphas-us-intl-netherlands-waterloo.png)	US International (also the official layout of the Netherlands)

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Core Modifier Kits
There are five core modifier kits for KAT Napoleonic, each provided with two-or-three colored “uniform” options: French Indigo, Russian Green, or Austrian White. Each core modifier kit also comes with a custom set of military-themed novelty keys: Retreat, Attack, Support, and Hold.

Additionally, a "British Navy" TKL Mods kit will be available. It uses the same primary mod colors as the French Indigo colorway but with a more mainstream legend scheme. It will be compatible with the French Indigo Numpad kit for full-size and 1800 boards. It is also a more pared-down mods kit,

Core Mod Kits (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#mod-kits) on Wordpress

Some boards require one of the additional Miscellaneous Kits (e.g. Spacebars) for complete coverage. See the shopping list (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#kit-shopping-list) for examples.

Core Mod Kits Table

TKL Mods	TKL in Indigo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/02-tkl-mods-french-indigo.png)	TKL in Green (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/03-tkl-mods-russian-green.png)	TKL in White (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/04-tkl-mods-austrian-white.png)
Alt TKL Mods	British Navy TKL (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/05-tkl-mods-british-navy.png)
Numpad	Numpad in Indigo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/06-numpad-french-indigo.png) / Navy	Numpad in Green (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/07-numpad-russian-green.png)	Numpad in White (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/08-numpad-austrian-white.png)
Ortho Mods	Ortho in Indigo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/09-ortho-mods-french-indigo.png)	Ortho in Green (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/10-ortho-mods-russian-green.png)	Ortho in White (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/11-ortho-mods-austrian-white.png)
Forties Mods	Forties in Indigo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/12-forties-mods-french-indigo.png)	Forties in Green (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/13-forties-mods-russian-green.png)
Ergo Mods	Ergo in Indigo (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/14-ergo-mods-french-indigo.png)	Ergo in Green (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/15-ergo-mods-russian-green.png)

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Miscellaneous Kits

• Spacebars (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/16-misc-spacebars.png)
• Novelties (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/17-misc-novelties.png)
• Mac Kit (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/18-misc-mac-kit.png)
• Blank Ergo Ortho Kit (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/19-misc-blank-ergo-ortho-kit.png)
• Madness Kit (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/20-misc-madness-kit.png)

Miscellaneous Kits (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#miscellaneous-kits) on Wordpress

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Further Information
As has been noted several times, complete information about this keyset can be found on the KAT Napoleonic Home Page on Wordpress: (https://tinyurl.com/kat-napoleonic (https://tinyurl.com/kat-napoleonic)).

Physical Color Standards

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(https://i.imgur.com/38vPyxN.png)
KAT-Nap colors: RAL 5011, RAL 9010, Pantone 7403 U, RAL 6005, & RAL 3031

Colors shown in keyboard renders and diagrams should not be treated as accurate representations of final keycap colors. Manufacturer samples will be checked against physical color decks of the RAL and Pantone standards above. Be aware that some variation is always possible, and these colors are not guaranteed to be exact.

Existing Set Comparison

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Early concept diagrams for KAT Napoleonic drew comparisons to GMK Rudy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103621.0) by Warrenified. Because the keycap designer community tends to frown on overly-similar colorways, Warrenified was consulted so as to double-check that we were in fact using different colors.

(http://i.imgur.com/jFqieDu.png) (https://imgur.com/jFqieDu)
GMK Rudy (left) comparison to KAT Napoleonic French Indigo mods (right). Render by Ulliam.

Deskmats & Peripherals (WIP)

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Visit the Wordpress site (https://diplomacyvariants.wordpress.com/kat-napoleonic/#peripherals) for more details.

(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/p2-deskmat-900x400x4mm-minard.png)
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/p4-deskmat-700x300x4mm-minard.png)
Minard Deskmats

(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/p3-deskmat-900x400x4mm-tolstoy.png)
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/p5-deskmat-700x300x4mm-tolstoy.png)
Tolstoy Deskmats

Copyright & Citations

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Creative Commons Derivative Works
The following component designs and icons are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3 (full license text (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/)):

Austrian Shield Outline. Derivative work based on “Imperial Coat of Arms of the Empire of Austria.svg” by Sodacan @ Wikimedia Commons (https://tinyurl.com/omvdoy9).
Bee Monogram. Derivative work based on “Imperial Coat of Arms of France (1804-1815).svg” by Katepanomegas @ Wikimedia Commons (https://tinyurl.com/yd8ezb7p).
French Shield Outline. Derivative work based on “Imperial Coat of Arms of France (1804-1815).svg” by Katepanomegas @ Wikimedia Commons (https://tinyurl.com/yd8ezb7p).
Minard Chart. Derivative work based on “Minard’s Map (vectorized).svg” by Martin Grandjean @ Wikimedia Commons (https://tinyurl.com/yacwdyvt).
Russian Shield Outline. Derivative work based on “Imperial Standard of the Emperor of Russia (1858–1917).svg” by TRAJAN 117 @ Wikimedia Commons (https://tinyurl.com/y7fryjn4).

Public Domain Works Cited
Bellangé, Hippolyte. “Light Infantry: Voltigeur and Carabinier from the Grande Armée.” From Histoire de Napoleon by P.-M. Laurent de L`Ardeche. 1843. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/yymvd5qe
David, Jacques-Louis. Napoleon Crossing the Alps. First version, painted 1800. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/yycndry3
David, Jacques-Louis. Napoleon Crossing the Alps. Third version, painted 1802. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y36vvhg8
Gérard, François. The Battle of Austerlitz, 2nd December 1805. Painted 1810. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y6zsvxk9
Karl Philipp, Prince of Schwarzenberg. Painting in the Castle Gallery at Český Krumlov. Unidentified painter, 19th century. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/yxafg7gg
Knotel, Richard. Uniformenkunde, Lose Blatter zur Geschihte der Entwicklung der militarischen Tracht. Berlin, 1890. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y39cw53g
Louis-François, Baron Lejeune. Battle of Borodino 1812. Painted 1822. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Battle_of_Borodino_1812.png
Moshkov, Vladimir Ivanovich. Battle of Leipzig. Painted 1815. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y364sppl
Neumann, Fritz. The charge of the 19th Hungarian infantry regiment in the Battle of Leipzig (1813) against the French. Painted 19th century. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y3gwv9e7
Philippoteaux, Henri Félix Emmanuel. The Battle of Waterloo: The British Squares Receiving the Charge of the French Cuirassiers. Painted 1874. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://tinyurl.com/y57saukc
Tolstoy, Leo. War and Peace. Excerpt from the original Russian text. Published 1869. Accessed via Master Russian. URL: http://masterrussian.com/war_and_peace.shtml
Vernet, Horace. The Battle of Hanau. Painted 1824. Accessed via Wikimedia Commons. URL: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vernet-Battle_of_Hanau.jpg

Further Notes
All historical blurbs appearing in kit diagrams are paraphrased from various Wikipedia articles, except for a few selected quotes from:

Clarke, Susanna. Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell. Bloomsbury, copyright 2004. Goodreads URL: https://tinyurl.com/yxps4uaf
No intellectual property from the above was used in the design of the actual keycaps or deskmats. Quotes and names used from Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell in kit diagrams are intended as an homage. No endorsement of KAT Napoleonic by Susanna Clarke or Bloomsbury has been given nor should be implied.

All other designs are copyright 2020 by W. Alex Ronke (a.k.a. NoPunIn10Did). All Rights Reserved.

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• Thanks to my wife, the love of my life, who has been very patient and supportive of all my creative endeavors.
• Thanks to my daughter, who is an absolutely adorable four-year-old and brings so much joy to my life.
• Thanks to Erik (a.k.a. MK Ultra), who believed in this project while it was still a germ of an idea.
• Huge thanks to manzel for his amazing and punctual render work.
• Thanks to Konstantin for all the advice on the particulars of punctuation positioning in legends as well as for drawing the correct Cyrillic J for the Karađorđe alpha kit.
• Thanks to myKeyboard.eu for committing to be a vendor for this set, and for helping with French conjugation & translation.
• Thanks to onecreativemind for early advice on the modifier icons.
• Thanks to Alex Lin at zFrontier for answering my KAT questions and committing to a Group Buy date early in this process.
• Thanks to Ulliam for providing renders for the J02, the Prime_E, and the GMK Rudy comparison.
• Thanks to shensmobile for sharing the Boardrun CNC file and for being a good creative sounding-board.
• Thanks to walletburner for giving permission to render the Neuron keyboard.
• Thanks to SomeGreekGuy for sharing the Abacus CNC file and giving permission to render it.
• Thanks to the members and moderators of the many Discord servers where I’ve solicited feedback for this and other projects, with particular thanks to:
  
  • 40% Keyboards
  • Keycap Designers
  • Carolina Keyboards
  • Keyboard Atelier

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:48:23

Reserved

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: yoot on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:48:56

This is crazy! GLWIC/GB

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:50:34

Neat idea. Looks like a board game. It looks great but not my aesthetic for a keyboard. Good luck!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: zekth on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:59:51

Nice.

Just, on the BEPO kit. Missing sublegend ’ on R3 É as you've put it on R3 È
Also as you've put all the sublegends you may miss on on S : β and one on G  : µ

See: http://bepo.fr/wiki/Accueil

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: DrHigsby on Mon, 24 August 2020, 13:04:36

POG! It’s finally happening! I’m so happy to see your project hit the “GH IC” stage!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 13:15:28

Quote from: zekth on Mon, 24 August 2020, 12:59:51

Nice.

Just, on the BEPO kit. Missing sublegend ’ on R3 É as you've put it on R3 È
Also as you've put all the sublegends you may miss on on S : β and one on G  : µ

See: http://bepo.fr/wiki/Accueil

Thanks for the notes!  I was using that site's provided implementation for Windows, and I either missed those keys or they were bugged in what I'd installed.  I'll go back and fix those.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 24 August 2020, 13:33:15

Naise.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Bonsa on Mon, 24 August 2020, 13:44:46

Wow, this looks great!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: zitres on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:00:26

Finally a set with a serif font!
I love literaly everything about this set and cant really wait to get it.
Even the Non-Latin alphas look so awesome.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Myoth on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:15:23

I'm surely nitpicking but I, at least, want to spark a little bit of discussion about what I've noticed. I just am very impressed by the effort put into this, so I very much want the best for it :D

I'm surprised, as a native french speaker, to see some of the legends on the Mods : Retirer, Soutenir and the lack of Défendre. Retirer doesn't sound very natural in this context, I would have used "Retraite". For Soutenir, I would have used "Soutien". Résister and Défendre are very close, but Défendre is more common, so I'm surprised to not see it used. Now ... I noticed the fact that you only used verbs, so I wonder if that was meant, or just a coincidence ?

I'll just mention other things I find weird, but that aren't very important : 2 tabs ? I wouldn't really put Attn on the Pause keycap as it is a front legend usually. And something is botheing me about some of the abbreviations but I honestly don't have any solution for that hahaha

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: KuroTheCrazy on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:15:50

Really looking forward to this.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Boy_314 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:27:35

with all these alpha kits, have you considered adding support for obscure layouts such as MTGAP or BEAKL?

BEAKL here: https://ieants.cc/code/keyboard/beakl/
MTGAP here: https://imgur.com/a/qebTEh3

There are other obscure layouts generated by computers that are also very well optimized for comfort.

don't feel super inclined tho, almost nobody uses these types of layouts, but KAT kitting is the closest users will get to correct legends on these layouts.

edit: fixed mtgap link
edit 2: here's a link to a lot of these obscure layouts - https://m****ens.me/typing/alternative_layouts.html

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:38:32

Quote from: Myoth on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:15:23

I'm surely nitpicking but I, at least, want to spark a little bit of discussion about what I've noticed. I just am very impressed by the effort put into this, so I very much want the best for it :D

I'm surprised, as a native french speaker, to see some of the legends on the Mods : Retirer, Soutenir and the lack of Défendre. Retirer doesn't sound very natural in this context, I would have used "Retraite". For Soutenir, I would have used "Soutien". Résister and Défendre are very close, but Défendre is more common, so I'm surprised to not see it used. Now ... I noticed the fact that you only used verbs, so I wonder if that was meant, or just a coincidence ?

So I worked with a French speaker on those (as well as on the abbreviations), and the intent was for them to be verbs (like the majority of mod keys).  Résister is meant to be a replacement for "Hold" rather than strictly "Defend."  If Défendre is indeed more common, though, I'll look at how it fits as a replacement.

Quote from: Myoth on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:15:23

I'll just mention other things I find weird, but that aren't very important : 2 tabs ? I wouldn't really put Attn on the Pause keycap as it is a front legend usually. And something is botheing me about some of the abbreviations but I honestly don't have any solution for that hahaha

Two tabs are included so that the whole mods kit can be split between two boards.  So much is currently expected compatibility-wise from a standard mod kit that you end up with a lot of redundancy.  Tab happened to be the only key without any repeats for a second 60% board, so I threw one in to help with the value-to-price ratio.

Pause/Attn were definitely both printed on the top face for most of the French keyboards I had found for reference.  I think what may need to change is to have a line between them (which would likewise be done for Pause/Break)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Brawlbeard on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:39:58

Looks really good. Very nice Localization Support.
I think the Austrian Kit would look better, if it had red Modifiers.
Text+Icon Modifiers like the other kits, would also be cool.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:40:46

Quote from: Boy_314 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:27:35

with all these alpha kits, have you considered adding support for obscure layouts such as MTGAP or BEAKL?

BEAKL here: https://ieants.cc/code/keyboard/beakl/
MTGAP here: https://imgur.com/a/qebTEh3

There are other obscure layouts generated by computers that are also very well optimized for comfort.

don't feel super inclined tho, almost nobody uses these types of layouts, but KAT kitting is the closest users will get to correct legends on these layouts.

edit: fixed mtgap link
edit 2: here's a link to a lot of these obscure layouts - https://m****ens.me/typing/alternative_layouts.html

Thought about MTGAP as a possibility; it would have been combined with the Dvorak kit in all likelihood (in lieu of the UK support present there).

I'm going to be using the survey responses to try and gauge which languages and layouts should be added or removed, though.  I'm hoping to keep the total kit count capped at 40, so nearly anything added would need to yield something else removed.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:43:24

Quote from: Brawlbeard on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:39:58

Looks really good. Very nice Localization Support.
I think the Austrian Kit would look better, if it had red Modifiers.
Text+Icon Modifiers like the other kits, would also be cool.

I thought about red mods for Austria.  If this set is successful, I'm planning to do a follow-up with similar styling (possible for another profile) that's based on the Habsburgs.  There, red may be a more dominant color, as might the black-and-yellow of the Habsburg flag.

As it stands, the primary expected audience for the Austrian White mods is the ortho community, some of whom expressed interest in monocolor and icon-only sets specifically.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Boy_314 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:43:45

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:40:46

Quote from: Boy_314 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:27:35

with all these alpha kits, have you considered adding support for obscure layouts such as MTGAP or BEAKL?

BEAKL here: https://ieants.cc/code/keyboard/beakl/
MTGAP here: https://imgur.com/a/qebTEh3

There are other obscure layouts generated by computers that are also very well optimized for comfort.

don't feel super inclined tho, almost nobody uses these types of layouts, but KAT kitting is the closest users will get to correct legends on these layouts.

edit: fixed mtgap link
edit 2: here's a link to a lot of these obscure layouts - https://m****ens.me/typing/alternative_layouts.html

Thought about MTGAP as a possibility; it would have been combined with the Dvorak kit in all likelihood (in lieu of the UK support present there).

I'm going to be using the survey responses to try and gauge which languages and layouts should be added or removed, though.  I'm hoping to keep the total kit count capped at 40, so nearly anything added would need to yield something else removed.

gotcha. filled out the form.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:46:32

Besides wodan's HADapter (strictly for Germans), I don't think I had ever seen a set where the movable alpha key is present in its three main places... in each and every single national alphas kit.

There is indeed a lot of work on this set, and it totally shows.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 15:52:54

Quote from: depletedvespene on Mon, 24 August 2020, 14:46:32

Besides wodan's HADapter (strictly for Germans), I don't think I had ever seen a set where the movable alpha key is present in its three main places... in each and every single national alphas kit.

There is indeed a lot of work on this set, and it totally shows.

Thanks!

I get why lots of other sets forego that level of format compatibility, particularly when you're looking at doubleshot caps.  KAT gives you so much freaking flexibility.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Skok on Mon, 24 August 2020, 16:06:12

Never thought a Serif font would look good on keycaps, this changed my mind. Very classy and good looking set. Good luck with GB!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 21:06:36

Never thought would see a Tamil set, Kudos man. Can we expect more languages like Sanskrit/ Hindi in the future?

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 24 August 2020, 21:15:40

i see this and i think "man what a QC nightmare"

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 24 August 2020, 21:37:42

Quote from: bobgr8 on Mon, 24 August 2020, 21:06:36

Never thought would see a Tamil set, Kudos man. Can we expect more languages like Sanskrit/ Hindi in the future?

Possibly.  I'd need to do some research on the script conventions used by Hindi keyboards and get in contact with some Hindi typists (which is what I'm attempting with both the Tamil and Cherokee sets here).

I wanted to stretch a little out of the West for this set but still keep it connected to Napoleonic politics, and the fact that the colony of Pondicherry specifically had a role in Anglo-French relations (and was used as a bargaining chip) seemed like a good inroads for that.

I have hopes to do more sets in future that stretch to other locales, so we'll just have to see.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 25 August 2020, 05:12:17

First time seeing that Tamil alphas kit. Absolutely gorgeous!

Fantastic job all in all, GLWIC ;)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 25 August 2020, 06:59:34

Oh my god! This is amazing ! First time i see a swiss kit!

I do not have the time to read all rigjt now but basicly if this is going to gb, is all the kit gonna be in ?

Ty


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 25 August 2020, 07:05:15

Quote from: marshskitow on Tue, 25 August 2020, 06:59:34

Oh my god! This is amazing ! First time i see a swiss kit!

I do not have the time to read all rigjt now but basicly if this is going to gb, is all the kit gonna be in ?

Ty


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That is indeed the intent. The final kitting will probably be tweaked, and there’s always a chance of something being added or removed, but my goal is to keep any alpha kits that are currently planned assuming people ask for them.

So be sure to fill out the survey!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 25 August 2020, 09:50:18

Of course filled the form :)

There is symbols missing on the swiss layout, we have 3 (using shift or alt). Do you think we can add it?


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 25 August 2020, 13:52:11

Quote from: marshskitow on Tue, 25 August 2020, 09:50:18

There is symbols missing on the swiss layout, we have 3 (using shift or alt). Do you think we can add it?

Could you elaborate what exactly you mean by this? As far as I can tell, nothing is missing in the Swiss kit: both the Shift and AltGr legends are there (the latter might be a tad hard to see, though).

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 25 August 2020, 13:56:05

I was on my phone outside when i saw this IC, and i didn't see the yellow on white legends. Sorry.  ;)
I think i already told you by mail.

Good job anyway it look awsome.  :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:56:09

I am loving the Pondicherry alpha's.

The way you approach this GB is beyond anything I've seen, so my compliments for that!

I'm not sure what the demand is for the green and white ortho mod, but my ideal ortho kit would be an indigo icon only mod kit. I might get the white instead, but I'm kind of on the fence.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 27 August 2020, 21:39:13

The amount of effort that went into this is absolutely epic.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:06:50

thinking of dvorcol every time i look at this set

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Wazazaby on Fri, 28 August 2020, 08:05:28

Great work!
Definitely in for a Ginny set :)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Will Morrisson on Fri, 28 August 2020, 10:20:48

I'm a simple man, I see bépo support, I like  :D

Really fantastic work on this. Happy to see some love for the way-too-often forgotten localized layouts.

IC Form completed, now waiting… impatiently :-X

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: marshskitow on Thu, 03 September 2020, 01:15:45

Is there a way to make somthing lime a poll, then everybody can say what alpha kit he is interested?

I mean something we can trust. We could see what is the country where is not enough orders...


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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: elmo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 03:26:58

You are never going to hit MOQ with any of those special layout kits. Period.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: dmatx1 on Thu, 03 September 2020, 04:09:12

Quote from: elmo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 03:26:58

You are never going to hit MOQ with any of those special layout kits. Period.

Luckily this is KAT where there is no kit level MOQ like at GMK, just set level MOQ for the amount of keycap surface (https://i.postimg.cc/XJr4wFF0/KATiron-Status200831.png) sold.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 05:23:23

Quote from: elmo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 03:26:58

You are never going to hit MOQ with any of those special layout kits. Period.

KAT doesn't have kit MOQs. It's solely based on a cumulative MOQ - each kit is worth a certain amount of units (derived from how many 1u keys or equivalent it has), which is multiplied by how many of that kit is sold, which is then added up to a total MOQ value.

As long as this overall MOQ is hit (which is usually 54k units, though 24k and 120k MOQs are available), all kits will be made in whatever quantity they were ordered in, no matter how small.

For a practical example, here's the sales figures for Lich, and how that was calculated into MOQ progress. (The remaining % needed to make it to MOQ were reached with vendor extras)
(https://i.imgur.com/qKkgoGO.png)
Even though the South kit only sold 1 kit, that buyer will receive that kit.

This sort of flips the usual MOQ logic on its head - it's almost beneficial for a set to have many kits, MOQ wise. The main reason to still limit the amount of kits is for the vendors' sakes, as the time and effort needed to sort and pack that many SKUs can be difficult. As long as the vendors have signed off with running that many kits, there's not really any issues with it.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Cave on Thu, 03 September 2020, 08:30:55

Quote from: eskimojo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 05:23:23

Quote from: elmo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 03:26:58

You are never going to hit MOQ with any of those special layout kits. Period.

KAT doesn't have kit MOQs. It's solely based on a cumulative MOQ - each kit is worth a certain amount of units (derived from how many 1u keys or equivalent it has), which is multiplied by how many of that kit is sold, which is then added up to a total MOQ value.

As long as this overall MOQ is hit (which is usually 54k units, though 24k and 120k MOQs are available), all kits will be made in whatever quantity they were ordered in, no matter how small.

For a practical example, here's the sales figures for Lich, and how that was calculated into MOQ progress. (The remaining % needed to make it to MOQ were reached with vendor extras)

Show Image

(https://i.imgur.com/qKkgoGO.png)

Even though the South kit only sold 1 kit, that buyer will receive that kit.

This sort of flips the usual MOQ logic on its head - it's almost beneficial for a set to have many kits, MOQ wise. The main reason to still limit the amount of kits is for the vendors' sakes, as the time and effort needed to sort and pack that many SKUs can be difficult. As long as the vendors have signed off with running that many kits, there's not really any issues with it.

I am so glad this is the case. I know many people wont be going for that Pondicherry alphas, but i am really looking forward to it. Might just buy couple since some of my friends are interested in it as well. Very well detailed IC  :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 04 September 2020, 00:22:15

Quote from: marshskitow on Thu, 03 September 2020, 01:15:45

Is there a way to make somthing lime a poll, then everybody can say what alpha kit he is interested?

I mean something we can trust. We could see what is the country where is not enough orders...


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There’s a survey linked at the top of the post.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 04 September 2020, 00:37:37

I have several kit updates that I’ve posted to Discord. I’m going to try and get them up to the WordPress site as well as this thread soon; I’ve just been catching up on work and trying (and not always succeeding) to avoid getting overly distracted.

Couple big changes: the South Slavic Latin kit (Illyria) has been reworked to become the Doppelkaiser kit, which supports both South Slavic Latin and Hungarian. Likewise, the Chateauguay kit now supports both Canadian French and Canadian Multilingual.

Both of those, as well as the Uhlan kit (US/Polish/Lithuanian), use a slight update to the color scheme because they display primary legends, AltGr legends, and a second language simultaneously. Have a look!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: dmatx1 on Fri, 04 September 2020, 03:10:39

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 04 September 2020, 00:37:37

I have several kit updates that I’ve posted to Discord. I’m going to try and get them up to the WordPress site as well as this thread soon; I’ve just been catching up on work and trying (and not always succeeding) to avoid getting overly distracted.

Great kit updates, thanks  :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 04 September 2020, 04:10:57

Quote from: elmo on Thu, 03 September 2020, 03:26:58

You are never going to hit MOQ with any of those special layout kits. Period.

I'm so glad you're dead wrong. Period.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:52:13

Let’s not keep hassling Elmo.

I’m surprised when any GH regular has somehow missed hearing of KAT’s MOQ model before, but at this point there are enough replies chastising him. We can move on.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 04 September 2020, 10:53:18

Quote from: Cave on Thu, 03 September 2020, 08:30:55

I am so glad this is the case. I know many people wont be going for that Pondicherry alphas, but i am really looking forward to it. Might just buy couple since some of my friends are interested in it as well. Very well detailed IC  :thumb:

I'm fairly certain the Pondicherry and Sequoyah alphas are going to be quite popular, primarily because the keyboard community likes non-Latin alphas (and those particular layouts are rarely, if ever, printed industrially).

It's the layouts like Czech, Spanish, and Portuguese that are a bit more on the fence. Lots of potential buyers, but it's hard to measure just how many are active in the hobby (and how many of them haven't just given up and switched to a US International or Eurkey layout instead).

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Took me long enough, but I performed a review of most of the alpha kits. I have several observations:


Applicable to all: I know this is a subjective matter, but I find it weird that letters in the AltGr layers are displayed in lowercase instead of uppercase.


Wellington (English (UK)): R2 #~ is missing the secondary \ and | symbols. OR, better, the other copies of the #~ unduly have them. The actual English (UK) layout doesn't place backslash and pipe in the tertiary and quaternary layers for the movable keycap — it's an addition by Microsoft's implementation.


Waterloo (English (US, international)): the S keycap should have § in the upper right corner.


Uhlan (combined Polish and Lithuanian): the difference between lowercase tertiary legends (Polish) and uppercase quaternary (Lithuanian) comes off as odd.

Murat (Spanish and Italian):
- Spanish (Spain): 1!| , 2"@ , 4$~ are missing.
- Italian: supports Italian (141), but that layout was deprecated long ago in favor of Italian (142). The curly braces are missing (but don't fix that! Go 142 instead).
- Make a note stating that this set supports Spanish (Spain), not Spanish (Latin America)... or Iberoamerican Spanish, for that matter.

Mr Norrell (US & UK English Dvorak):
The R3 #~ keycap has the \| symbols added (I'd erase them, as they're absent from the other copies of #~ ).

Marie Louise (French Apple and Belgian): if this is intended to support Belgian on Windows, there are too many errors. Looks like it's meant for Apple only, but it's not clear from the description. I can't find Belgian on Windows support in other kits.


João VI (Portuguese):
- 4$ should be 4$§ ; 7/ and 0= are missing the curly braces.
- Make a note that this set supports Portuguese (Portugal), not Portuguese (Brazil).


Bernadotte (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, "etc."):
- Plain M (without µ) is missing (Nordic layouts in general don't use it).
- Danish is missing ◌́◌̀|  and <>\
- Estonian (if supported) is missing '?\ , Ä◌̂ , '½ , <>|
- Faroese (if supported) is missing ◌́◌̀| , <>\ , Ø◌̂ , Å◌̈ , Ð◌̃
- Icelandic — too many keys missing; it's obvious it's not supported.
- Swedish/Finnish: <>| and +?\ are missing.


Act of mediation (Swiss):
- R3 "!] - note the first character is supposed to be ◌̈ , not a quote sign.
- 4ç° and 5%§ : the degree and section signs are not part of the Swiss layout (they're part of MS' ****ty implementation).
- Note the placement of | and ¦  (again, a problem of MS' ****ty implementation).


Chateauguay (Canadian BILINGUAL):
- The corner key is #|\ — the forward slash is out of place there.
- 1! is missing ± in the tertiary corner.
- 2"@ - check those corners!
- Missing tertiaries from 3/ up to =+ , all R3 keys from O onwards and R2 keys from ;: onwards.
- R1 «»Ù is actually «»°. Tertiaries missing from M onwards.

Was this layout based exclusively on Apple's implementation? That would explain all the errors (remember the Golden Rule of Apple and Keyboards).


Oof. ;D

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 05 September 2020, 23:02:00

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Took me long enough, but I performed a review of most of the alpha kits. I have several observations:


Applicable to all: I know this is a subjective matter, but I find it weird that letters in the AltGr layers are displayed in lowercase instead of uppercase.


Wellington (English (UK)): R2 #~ is missing the secondary \ and | symbols. OR, better, the other copies of the #~ unduly have them. The actual English (UK) layout doesn't place backslash and pipe in the tertiary and quaternary layers for the movable keycap — it's an addition by Microsoft's implementation.


Waterloo (English (US, international)): the S keycap should have § in the upper right corner.


Uhlan (combined Polish and Lithuanian): the difference between lowercase tertiary legends (Polish) and uppercase quaternary (Lithuanian) comes off as odd.

Murat (Spanish and Italian):
- Spanish (Spain): 1!| , 2"@ , 4$~ are missing.
- Italian: supports Italian (141), but that layout was deprecated long ago in favor of Italian (142). The curly braces are missing (but don't fix that! Go 142 instead).
- Make a note stating that this set supports Spanish (Spain), not Spanish (Latin America)... or Iberoamerican Spanish, for that matter.

Mr Norrell (US & UK English Dvorak):
The R3 #~ keycap has the \| symbols added (I'd erase them, as they're absent from the other copies of #~ ).

Marie Louise (French Apple and Belgian): if this is intended to support Belgian on Windows, there are too many errors. Looks like it's meant for Apple only, but it's not clear from the description. I can't find Belgian on Windows support in other kits.


João VI (Portuguese):
- 4$ should be 4$§ ; 7/ and 0= are missing the curly braces.
- Make a note that this set supports Portuguese (Portugal), not Portuguese (Brazil).


Bernadotte (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, "etc."):
- Plain M (without µ) is missing (Nordic layouts in general don't use it).
- Danish is missing ◌́◌̀|  and <>\
- Estonian (if supported) is missing '?\ , Ä◌̂ , '½ , <>|
- Faroese (if supported) is missing ◌́◌̀| , <>\ , Ø◌̂ , Å◌̈ , Ð◌̃
- Icelandic — too many keys missing; it's obvious it's not supported.
- Swedish/Finnish: <>| and +?\ are missing.


Act of mediation (Swiss):
- R3 "!] - note the first character is supposed to be ◌̈ , not a quote sign.
- 4ç° and 5%§ : the degree and section signs are not part of the Swiss layout (they're part of MS' ****ty implementation).
- Note the placement of | and ¦  (again, a problem of MS' ****ty implementation).


Chateauguay (Canadian BILINGUAL):
- The corner key is #|\ — the forward slash is out of place there.
- 1! is missing ± in the tertiary corner.
- 2"@ - check those corners!
- Missing tertiaries from 3/ up to =+ , all R3 keys from O onwards and R2 keys from ;: onwards.
- R1 «»Ù is actually «»°. Tertiaries missing from M onwards.

Was this layout based exclusively on Apple's implementation? That would explain all the errors (remember the Golden Rule of Apple and Keyboards).


Oof. ;D

I’ll review these notes and double-check my current diagrams. Several of them have already undergone significant changes, and some errors may have been corrected.

Regarding lowercase, the convention I’m using here is that anything printed on the lower half of the key is an unshifted character, while anything on the top half is shifted.

Regarding #~, I decided to put the additional \| characters in the AltGr and Shift-AltGr slots solely for keys that would be used in an atypical layout. If someone is using standard full ISO, then there’s no need for those legends, but if someone is using an ANSI or HHKB type board, then they might not have a backslash key at all.

Unless specifically noted, Windows is the basis for implementation, as it is the means by which I can retrieve the most complete and accurate documentation for a layout: the implementation file itself (either activated directly or viewed in KbdEdit).

Where I’ve implemented Apple layouts, I’ve used a combination of photos and diagrams of Apple keyboards along with the Magic Utilities implementations of those keyboards (which tend to translate the most important Option key characters into AltGr characters for Windows).

Note that some AltGr characters are missing from sets where multiple languages are grouped together and where those characters are not consistent across all languages supported in the kit. That’s been a consistent challenge, trying to determine which AltGr legends to prioritize in such sets, versus which to leave out to keep the overall kit cost down.

As to not putting mu on a Nordic layout, can you elaborate? Most diagrams and photos I’ve seen of Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish boards seem to have that character visible, and all of those layouts definitely include it implementation-wise.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: SirTimmyTimbit on Sun, 06 September 2020, 04:32:56

I don't know how to feel about the legends. I love em and hate em at the same time lol.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 06 September 2020, 08:45:47

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 05 September 2020, 23:02:00

Unless specifically noted, Windows is the basis for implementation, as it is the means by which I can retrieve the most complete and accurate documentation for a layout: the implementation file itself (either activated directly or viewed in KbdEdit).

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 05 September 2020, 23:02:00

Note that some AltGr characters are missing from sets where multiple languages are grouped together and where those characters are not consistent across all languages supported in the kit. That’s been a consistent challenge, trying to determine which AltGr legends to prioritize in such sets, versus which to leave out to keep the overall kit cost down.

I understand that challenge; just make a note listing omissions like that, so the user will understand it was a deliberate compromise instead of a simple error.

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 05 September 2020, 23:02:00

As to not putting mu on a Nordic layout, can you elaborate? Most diagrams and photos I’ve seen of Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish boards seem to have that character visible, and all of those layouts definitely include it implementation-wise.

As you mention in a previous paragraph, your basal documentation is Microsoft's implementations of the layouts... but the problem with this is that Microsoft does NOT implement the layouts 100% up to spec. Many of the layouts they implement have been altered — most of the time, it's innocuous additions (like adding the euro symbol to AltGr-5 on most European layouts), but some times they have made rather serious mistakes (like flipping the vertical bar and the broken bar in the Swiss layouts).

Regarding the µ symbol, the German and (old) Dutch layouts have it, but the Nordic layouts in general (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, plus derivatives) do not. Microsoft added it anyway to those layouts, and this DOES count as yet another innocuous addition, but it still isn't in the specs (and according to the Gospel of Saint Myself, this means the symbol should not be printed on the keycap, because muh spec, d00d).

This is ultimately your choice (as this is your set), but it's important to get things straight, as further set runners might copy stuff from yours and fail to realize they might be carrying over what may count as a mistake.


See http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#NOR for some funky stuff.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 14:49:49

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sun, 06 September 2020, 08:45:47

As you mention in a previous paragraph, your basal documentation is Microsoft's implementations of the layouts... but the problem with this is that Microsoft does NOT implement the layouts 100% up to spec. Many of the layouts they implement have been altered — most of the time, it's innocuous additions (like adding the euro symbol to AltGr-5 on most European layouts), but some times they have made rather serious mistakes (like flipping the vertical bar and the broken bar in the Swiss layouts).

Regarding the µ symbol, the German and (old) Dutch layouts have it, but the Nordic layouts in general (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, plus derivatives) do not. Microsoft added it anyway to those layouts, and this DOES count as yet another innocuous addition, but it still isn't in the specs (and according to the Gospel of Saint Myself, this means the symbol should not be printed on the keycap, because muh spec, d00d).

Microsoft specs are also specs :D

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:02:19

Quote from: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 14:49:49

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sun, 06 September 2020, 08:45:47

As you mention in a previous paragraph, your basal documentation is Microsoft's implementations of the layouts... but the problem with this is that Microsoft does NOT implement the layouts 100% up to spec. Many of the layouts they implement have been altered — most of the time, it's innocuous additions (like adding the euro symbol to AltGr-5 on most European layouts), but some times they have made rather serious mistakes (like flipping the vertical bar and the broken bar in the Swiss layouts).

Regarding the µ symbol, the German and (old) Dutch layouts have it, but the Nordic layouts in general (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, plus derivatives) do not. Microsoft added it anyway to those layouts, and this DOES count as yet another innocuous addition, but it still isn't in the specs (and according to the Gospel of Saint Myself, this means the symbol should not be printed on the keycap, because muh spec, d00d).

Microsoft specs are also specs :D

Except when they don't bother to document their stuff (which happens exceedingly often).

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:34:51

Quote from: depletedvespene on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:02:19

Except when they don't bother to document their stuff (which happens exceedingly often).

It's actually documented (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/globalization/windows-keyboard-layouts) quite well — if you don't mind using their layout previewing “tool” that looks like it was last updated in 1995 :P


Edit: Aaand it appears that it's currently broken. GG. Here's a raggedy-ass screenshot of what it looks like when it's working:

(https://i.imgur.com/3IcjhPr.png)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 07 September 2020, 19:33:48

Quote from: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:34:51

Quote from: depletedvespene on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:02:19

Except when they don't bother to document their stuff (which happens exceedingly often).

It's actually documented (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/globalization/windows-keyboard-layouts) quite well — if you don't mind using their layout previewing “tool” that looks like it was last updated in 1995 :P


Edit: Aaand it appears that it's currently broken. GG. Here's a raggedy-ass screenshot of what it looks like when it's working:

Show Image

(https://i.imgur.com/3IcjhPr.png)

And when it's working... it shows their layouts' implementations as they stood in Windows 8. I've caught at least two differences already between what those pages say and what the actual implementations in Windows 10 do.

I'm ⇒ ⇐ this close to replacing all references to microsoft.com in favor of kbdinfo's.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 19:46:56

Quote from: depletedvespene on Mon, 07 September 2020, 19:33:48

And when it's working... it shows their layouts' implementations as they stood in Windows 8. I've caught at least two differences already between what those pages say and what the actual implementations in Windows 10 do.

I'm ⇒ ⇐ this close to replacing all references to microsoft.com in favor of kbdinfo's.

For anyone wanting to seriously look at keyboard layouts on Windows straight from the source (or, rather, the DLL file), I would recommend downloading KbdEdit (http://www.kbdedit.com/demo.html). The free version has everything you need, and probably a lot more.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Alpha Support for 21+ Languages | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:15:48

I've made significant revisions to the alpha kits and will update the opening post accordingly:

Album: https://imgur.com/a/twLqZuV (https://imgur.com/a/twLqZuV)

As mentioned previously, I'm working off of the implementations of these keyboards provided by Microsoft Windows 10.  Where noted, I'm using Magic Utilities as my primary documentation for Apple layouts.  I am not using Linux-specific layouts at this time.

Also, not all AltGr or Shift-AltGr characters may be displayed for a given keyboard and are sometimes omitted for cost/compatibility reasons.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Wellington (English (UK)): R2 #~ is missing the secondary \ and | symbols. OR, better, the other copies of the #~ unduly have them. The actual English (UK) layout doesn't place backslash and pipe in the tertiary and quaternary layers for the movable keycap — it's an addition by Microsoft's implementation.

Mentioned previously, this isn't changing.  The AltGr \| symbols are applied to keys which would be used in an ANSI/HHKB layout.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Waterloo (English (US, international)): the S keycap should have § in the upper right corner.

Corrected in latest draft.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Uhlan (combined Polish and Lithuanian): the difference between lowercase tertiary legends (Polish) and uppercase quaternary (Lithuanian) comes off as odd.

Revised alongside other layouts that simultaneously display (1) multiple languages and (2) AltGr characters for one of the languages.  Lithuanian characters are shown in red and remain in the top-right corners to help further distinguish them from the yellow Polish AltGr characters.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Murat (Spanish and Italian):
- Spanish (Spain): 1!| , 2"@ , 4$~ are missing.
- Italian: supports Italian (141), but that layout was deprecated long ago in favor of Italian (142). The curly braces are missing (but don't fix that! Go 142 instead).
- Make a note stating that this set supports Spanish (Spain), not Spanish (Latin America)... or Iberoamerican Spanish, for that matter.

All AltGr characters were omitted from this kit to avoid compatibility conflicts across Italian, Italian 142, Italian Apple, Spanish, and Spanish Apple layouts.  Description of image amended to note that this supports European Spanish.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Marie Louise (French Apple and Belgian): if this is intended to support Belgian on Windows, there are too many errors. Looks like it's meant for Apple only, but it's not clear from the description. I can't find Belgian on Windows support in other kits.

Significant corrections were made to this kit.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

João VI (Portuguese):
- 4$ should be 4$§ ; 7/ and 0= are missing the curly braces.
- Make a note that this set supports Portuguese (Portugal), not Portuguese (Brazil).

Set notes that it is implemented for European Portuguese. Additional optional keys for 4, 7, and 0 are now provided.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Bernadotte (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, "etc."):
- Plain M (without µ) is missing (Nordic layouts in general don't use it).
- Danish is missing ◌́◌̀|  and <>\
- Estonian (if supported) is missing '?\ , Ä◌̂ , '½ , <>|
- Faroese (if supported) is missing ◌́◌̀| , <>\ , Ø◌̂ , Å◌̈ , Ð◌̃
- Icelandic — too many keys missing; it's obvious it's not supported.
- Swedish/Finnish: <>| and +?\ are missing.

Multiple corrections here. Faroese and Estonian are both supported, but with some AltGr legends missing. An additional M key without mu was added.
Icelandic is not supported as it has too many differences from these layouts to fit into a single kit.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Act of mediation (Swiss):
- R3 "!] - note the first character is supposed to be ◌̈ , not a quote sign.
- 4ç° and 5%§ : the degree and section signs are not part of the Swiss layout (they're part of MS' ****ty implementation).
- Note the placement of | and ¦  (again, a problem of MS' ****ty implementation).

The double-quote was indeed incorrect and has been replaced with an umlaut.
The remaining notes here may be implementation-specific, but they appear to be correct according to both Apple's and Microsoft's implementations. Things like the swapped pipe/bar characters are staying as-is since only Linux seems to follow the official government-endorsed standard.

Quote from: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:31:44

Chateauguay (Canadian BILINGUAL):
- The corner key is #|\ — the forward slash is out of place there.
- 1! is missing ± in the tertiary corner.
- 2"@ - check those corners!
- Missing tertiaries from 3/ up to =+ , all R3 keys from O onwards and R2 keys from ;: onwards.
- R1 «»Ù is actually «»°. Tertiaries missing from M onwards.

This has received multiple adjustments.  It is now a set combining both Canadian Multilingual and Canadian French. CF legends that differ from CM are shown in red. AltGr legends for CM are provided where space allows.

Other changes have occurred with the remaining alpha kits. The Doppelkaiser kit replaces Illyria; it is now a combined South Slavic / Hungarian kit in much the same pattern as Chateauguay and Uhlan.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Kit Updates (08 Sep) | Alphas for 21+ Lang. | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 15:31:19

Full description of 08 September updates:

Vendors
HEX Keyboards has joined on as our Southeast Asia vendor.

Alphas: Error Fixes & Minor Tweaks

Act of Mediation
Alexander
Austerlitz
Bépoleon Nonaparte
Karađorđe
Marie Louise
Pondicherry
Sequoyah
Waterloo

Alphas: Combined Language Redesigns
In the kits below, gold still represents AltGr sublegends for the primary language. Red represents the primary legends of the alternate language.
Alpha kits where two languages are displayed simultaneously, but neither displays AltGr characters, are still slated to use the gold coloration for all sublegends.

Chateauguay – Canadian Multilingual & Canadian French
Doppelkaiser – South Slavic Latin & Hungarian (replaces Illyria)
Uhlan – Polish & Lithuanian (will now differ from render)

Alphas: Other Substantial Updates

Bernadotte – Added several keys to provide correct AltGr legends, particularly with regard to the <> key.
João VI – Some legend updates. Clarified in description that this is the European Portuguese layout.
Murat – Removed all AltGr legends in order to expand compatibility to the Italian 142 layout. Clarified in description that this is the European Spanish layout.

Core Mod Updates

Various Russian Green – The 1u version of Backspace is now “Back” instead of “Bksp”.
Various French Indigo – The translations for “Lower” and “Raise”have been updated to “Dimin” and “Augm”
Ortho – Four of the 1.5u keys that were convex are now R2 for better Iris/Corne support. A couple 1u blanks in R2 were also added.
Forties – Major updates to kit contents, particularly for spacebars.
Ergo – Lower/Raise are now R2 to make them usable on the thumb clusters if desired. Two 1u convex blanks were added.

Miscellaneous Kit Updates

Mac & Vortex kit is now back to being just a Mac kit, and its contents were reduced significantly to make it more affordable.
Spacebars kit – Major updates to kit contents.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Now supporting JIS, Latin American & Eurkey | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 15 September 2020, 10:05:08

KAT Napoleonic: Updated Renders & New Alphas

We are less than eight weeks from the KAT Napoleonic Group Buy, which starts November 9th. I have new renders and alphas to share, including support for JIS, ANSI-JP, Eurkey, and Latin American Spanish.

Render Updates
The post has been updated with new and revised render images. You can also see these on imgur (https://imgur.com/a/WAU68M1) or on the official KAT Napoleonic site (https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/#renders).

New : the Abacus numpad by SomeGreekGuy (unreleased). Shown with the Austrian White numpad kit and the Minard deskmat.
Updated : the Boardrun by Shensmobile. These renders now show the most up-to-date version of the Uhlan alpha kit, with the Lithuanian legends now shown in red.

Alpha Kit Revisions
Based on survey responses and other feedback, three new kits have been added.

• Nagasaki
  
  • Japanese JIS & ANSI-JP layouts
  • Katakana sublegends in gold
  • Compatible with the standard US layout.
  • 3u spacebar included for JIS.
  • Fullwidth / Half-width key included for JIS in all three colorways.
• Blücher
  
  • Eurkey versions 1.2 & 1.3
  • Compatible with the standard US layout.
• Agustina
  
  • Spanish (European & Latin American)
  • Replaces the Murat kit

The Austerlitz and João VI alpha kits have been sidelined at this time due to lack of interest.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Now supporting JIS, Latin American & Eurkey | GB Nov 2020
Post by: msting on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:02:07

This will break Keyreative.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Now supporting JIS, Latin American & Eurkey | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 17 September 2020, 16:04:34

Quote from: msting on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:02:07

This will break Keyreative.

You mean because of the kit count, or something else?

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Now supporting JIS, Latin American & Eurkey | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 24 September 2020, 11:18:19

24 September Updates

This week, I have a few short updates to share.

Artisans

Update 30 October: The artisan collaboration has been cancelled.  See my post below.

I am happy to announce a collaboration with Divine Studios.  They're a newer face in the custom artisan scene, and they specialize in aluminum and titanium keycaps.  They will be producing a mould to match KAT R4, and I should have a sample to photograph some time before the GB starts.

Clothing & More

I am partnering with Keeb Nerd (https://keebnerd.com) to design official Napoleonic merchandise, including three button-down shirts based on the three colorways: French Indigo, Russian Green, and Austrian White.  Samples are *en route* to my house, and I should be able to get some photos sooner than later!  I am also pursuing other types of merchandise like coffee mugs based on the deskmat designs. 

Some of these items will become permanent fixtures in Keeb Nerd's shop, but I'll be able to share discount codes that are valid during the GB.  Those will be announced in my Discord server (https://discord.gg/vasBGfZ).

Deskmats & Mousepads

I have been in contact with a mat manufacturer that can produce the standard 900x400x4 mm mats with stitched edges.  Additionally, they can offer other sizes as well as aluminum mousepads.

The following two designs are planned for the 900x400x4mm deskpads.  At least one of them will be made in a smaller size as well (probably 600x300x4 mm).

Minard
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/kat-nap-deskmat-900x400-minard.png) (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/kat-nap-deskmat-900x400-minard.png)

• This is an adaptation of a famous map by Charles Joseph Minard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#The_map_of_Napoleon's_Russian_campaign).
• It shows the drastic change in the size of Napoleon's forces during his invasion of and retreat from Russia in 1812.
• It is one of the most famous data visualizations in history.

Tolstoy
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/kat-nap-deskmat-900x400-tolstoy.png) (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/kat-nap-deskmat-900x400-tolstoy.png)

• This contains an excerpt from the first chapter of the Russian text of Leo Tolstoy’s *War and Peace*.
• In it, characters from the Russian aristocracy switch between French and Russian as they discuss Napoleon, Austria, and politics of the early 19th century.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | 21+ Languages | Titanium Artisan | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 30 September 2020, 11:05:10

30 September Update:
The British Navy Sails Forth!

By far, the most requested change to KAT Napoleonic, per survey data, has been the addition of more mainstream English language modifier legends using the French Indigo colors. In order to satisfy this popular request, KAT Napoleonic now includes one kit with an alternate uniform: British Navy.

The British Navy kit provides an alternative TKL Mods kit using the same primary mod color as French Indigo, but with a more mainstream approach to modifier legends. Its primary mod colors are the same as French Indigo, and it is compatible with the French Indigo Numpad kit for full-size boards.

The British Navy kit is intentionally slimmer than the other TKL mods kits on offer and does not provide the same range of compatibility; its pricing will reflect this.

This brings the total kit count for KAT Napoleonic to 40.

(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/napoleonic-16.png)
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/napoleonic-17.png)
(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/napoleonic-18.png)
Conone by kindakeyboards. Wellington alphas with British Navy Alt TKL Mods. Render by manzel.

(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/alt-tkl-navy.png)


Icon-Only Ortho Mods Update

Additionally, the Ortho Mods kit in French Indigo has been updated to use an icons-only legends scheme.  This was also frequently requested on the survey, and while it breaks with the French Indigo uniform a bit, it does make sense from a simplicity perspective when all the legends are on 1u keys.  I'm planning on leaving the design of the Russian Green ortho mods (english text with icons) as-is, however.

Kitting is more-or-less finalized now.  I am still willing to hear further suggestions, particularly from the survey (https://forms.gle/REnoicL2PNNU1VJE6), but drastic changes are unlikely moving forward.

(https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/ortho-indigo-1.png)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 30 September 2020, 15:36:39

I really love this idea. Most especially the Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell names for alphas. I don't use Colemak or Dvorak but I'm tickled by the reference.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: Cave on Wed, 30 September 2020, 16:14:30

Love the British Navy Kit!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 04 October 2020, 20:11:58

The amount of thought that went into this set is truly impressive.  Fantastic job.

It might be too late, but I have a couple comments regarding the Jonathan Strange kit currently supporting Colemak (including DH & DHm), Asset, Norman, & Workman layouts.
  • By adding R2 homing A, the QGMLWY layout would also be covered.
  • If you don't want to add QGMLWY support, the R3 M can be removed.  QGMLWY needs it, but none of the currently-listed layouts do.
  • Only two additional keycaps are needed for Wide mod: R3 apostrophe/quote and R2 right bracket/right brace.  Wide mod works for any of the supported layouts.

Carpalx QGMLWY info -->

More

http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?full_optimization
   (https://i.imgur.com/1gaqEym.png)

Wide mod info -->

More

https://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html
   (https://i.postimg.cc/PddcRBwc/Wide-Mod-Pic200606.png)

Separately, please consider adding one more kit to support the Dvorak layout.  For example, two separate alt-layout kits were in the KAT Space Cadet set earlier this year.  The order ratio was approximately 60%/40%
  • Colemak/DH/DHm/Wide-mod kit: 32 orders
  • Dvorak kit: 23 orders
KAT Space Cadet's ISO kit orders for reference:
  • UK: 26
  • North: 20
  • French: 7
  • South: 4

Both KAT Space Cadet kits -->

More

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105375

Colemak/DH/DHm/Wide mod
(https://i.imgur.com/eoKJwgM.png)

Dvorak
(https://i.imgur.com/M9rigRd.png)

Edit: added KAT Space Cadet kit pics

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 05 October 2020, 10:40:11

Quote from: dvorcol on Sun, 04 October 2020, 20:11:58

The amount of thought that went into this set is truly impressive.  Fantastic job.

It might be too late, but I have a couple comments regarding the Jonathan Strange kit currently supporting Colemak (including DH & DHm), Asset, Norman, & Workman layouts.
  • By adding R2 homing A, the QGMLWY layout would also be covered.
  • If you don't want to add QGMLWY support, the R3 M can be removed.  QGMLWY needs it, but none of the currently-listed layouts do.
  • Only two additional keycaps are needed for Wide mod: R3 apostrophe/quote and R2 right bracket/right brace.  Wide mod works for any of the supported layouts.

Carpalx QGMLWY info -->

More

http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?full_optimization
   

Show Image

(https://i.imgur.com/1gaqEym.png)

Wide mod info -->

More

https://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html
   

Show Image

(https://i.postimg.cc/PddcRBwc/Wide-Mod-Pic200606.png)

Separately, please consider adding one more kit to support the Dvorak layout.  For example, two separate alt-layout kits were in the KAT Space Cadet set earlier this year.  The order ratio was approximately 60%/40%
  • Colemak/DH/DHm/Wide-mod kit: 32 orders
  • Dvorak kit: 23 orders
KAT Space Cadet's ISO kit orders for reference:
  • UK: 26
  • North: 20
  • French: 7
  • South: 4

Both KAT Space Cadet kits -->

More

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105375

Colemak/DH/DHm/Wide mod

Show Image

(https://i.imgur.com/eoKJwgM.png)

Dvorak

Show Image

(https://i.imgur.com/M9rigRd.png)

Edit: added KAT Space Cadet kit pics

There's already a standalone Dvorak kit; its thematic name is Mr Norrell.

I'll look into the details you mentioned for the Colemak kit.  I've sent my diagrams off for estimates, so I have to be careful about future alterations.  I seem to remember the M was needed somewhere.

Update: I have confirmed that the M is left over from when the kit originally supported QGMLWY.  So I will need to tweak kit contents.  I was hoping there would be a quick 1:1 change I could make to support wide mod, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: marshskitow on Mon, 05 October 2020, 11:03:05

What you are doing is great man. Colors are lovely. I love it.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New BRITISH NAVY kit & renders | GB Nov 2020
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 06 October 2020, 19:36:31

Sorry, I totally missed the Mr Norrell kit.  Thank you for taking the time to consider Wide mod support.

GLWGB!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 08 October 2020, 07:57:31

08 October Update: Revised Vendor List

Quote

• United States: MKUltra (https://mkultra.click/)
• Europe: mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
• Canada: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/)
• Also Canada: g Heavy Industries (https://www.gboards.ca/) (Madness Kit only)
• Southeast Asia: Hex Keyboards (https://hexkeyboards.com/)
• South America: Fancy Customs (https://fancycustoms.com/)
• China / Rest of World: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/)

I am excited to announce that Ashkeebs has replaced our previous primary Canadian vendor. Fancy Customs, a new vendor based in Chile, will be bringing KAT Napoleonic to the South American market.

Welcome to the team!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: Sandy on Sun, 11 October 2020, 20:24:03

Are the extra kit options related to the napoleonic wars or period or are they just because? If they are related it seems odd to me to include some of these and name it after an imperialist

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: cecioclock on Mon, 12 October 2020, 05:34:06

Is it please please possible to have a just text modifier set for all colors, please? Or even one?
I am really distracted by the split arrows and can’t focus on the beauty of the alphas QQ.
A lovely set with amazing font choice—a text mod set would definitely highlight the font so much more and almost make the board feel like a page of a book.

100/10 recommend

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic - Now supporting JIS, Latin American & Eurkey | GB Nov 2020
Post by: msting on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:14:30

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 17 September 2020, 16:04:34

Quote from: msting on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:02:07

This will break Keyreative.

You mean because of the kit count, or something else?

That was tongue in cheek.  ;D
But that is a huge number of sets.
You've done an incredible job on this! I'm glad to see depletedvespene's input as well helping refine this.
I can definitely see this being a template for MANY future key sets.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:42:33

Quote from: cecioclock on Mon, 12 October 2020, 05:34:06

Is it please please possible to have a just text modifier set for all colors, please? Or even one?
I am really distracted by the split arrows and can’t focus on the beauty of the alphas QQ.
A lovely set with amazing font choice—a text mod set would definitely highlight the font so much more and almost make the board feel like a page of a book.

100/10 recommend

It's a bit far along to make changes that drastic.  What type of board were you going to use with it?

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 12 October 2020, 14:15:23

Quote from: cogitoergofemme on Sun, 11 October 2020, 20:24:03

Are the extra kit options related to the napoleonic wars or period or are they just because? If they are related it seems odd to me to include some of these and name it after an imperialist

The set is named after the Napoleonic period, and many of the alpha kits are named after persons, places, and events of historical significance to the period.  The context gets discussed, at least in part, here:
https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/#background

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: cecioclock on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:13:06

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:42:33

Quote from: cecioclock on Mon, 12 October 2020, 05:34:06

Is it please please possible to have a just text modifier set for all colors, please? Or even one?
I am really distracted by the split arrows and can’t focus on the beauty of the alphas QQ.
A lovely set with amazing font choice—a text mod set would definitely highlight the font so much more and almost make the board feel like a page of a book.

100/10 recommend

It's a bit far along to make changes that drastic.  What type of board were you going to use with it?

Aw man. I joined Geekhack too late :( Was going to use a TKL, or at least a 75%.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 14 October 2020, 20:36:29

We got official quotes from Keyreative last night. The vendors and I are working through pricing now.

This means that the list of kits and the total number and sizes of keys in each kit, is essentially final. I can and will make corrections to mistakes spotted in individual keys, but I won’t be doing anything that impacts overall kit composition.

So this means that the Colevrak kit ends up with a bonus M, I guess, unless someone can think of a better use.

Update: I figured it out! The superfluous R3 M in the Colemak+ kit can be replaced with an R1 J key, thereby adding QWPR support.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | New Vendors: Ashkeebs & Fancy Customs! | GB 9 Nov 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 28 October 2020, 16:07:22

**Official Pricing now on Wordpress**
Approved keycap kit prices for US / EU are now available.  They are viewable on Wordpress (https://katnapoleonic.com/kat-napoleonic/#vendors) or in the table below.

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                                       | zFrontier | MKUltra  | myKeyboard | Ashkeebs |HEX Keyboards|Fancy Customs|
---------------------------------------| (China)   | (USA)    | (Europe)   | (Canada) |   (SE Asia) | (S. America)|
ALPHAS                                 |       USD |      USD |        EUR |      CAD |         SGD |         CLP |
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|
Default US English - Jefferson         |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |    $ 27.290 |

Belgian & Apple French - Marie Louise  |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |             |
BÉPO - Bépoleon Nonaparte              |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Canadian French - Chateauguay          |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Cherokee - Sequoyah                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |             |
Colemak - Jonathan Strange             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 40.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 54.00 |     $ 58.00 |             |

Dvorak - Mr Norrell                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |     $ 51.00 |             |
EurKEY - Blücher                       |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
French for Windows - Joséphine         |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
German - Metternich                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
Hungarian & South Slavic - Doppelkaiser|   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |

Japanese - Nagasaki                    |   $ 42.00 |  $ 40.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 54.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Nordic - Bernadotte                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |             |
Polish & Lithuanian - Uhlan            |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
Russian - Alexander                    |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |     $ 51.00 |    $ 30.490 |
South Slavic Cyrillic - Karađorđe      |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |

Spanish - Agustina                     |   $ 38.00 |  $ 36.00 |    € 40,00 |  $ 48.00 |             |    $ 30.490 |
Swiss - Act of Mediation               |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |             |
Tamil - Pondicherry                    |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |    $ 27.290 |
UK English & Irish - Wellington        |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |     $ 44.00 |             |
US Int'l & Netherlands - Waterloo      |   $ 34.00 |  $ 32.00 |    € 36,00 |  $ 42.00 |             |    $ 27.290 |
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|
CORE MODS
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|
TKL Mods - French Indigo               |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Mods - Russian Green               |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Mods - Austrian White              |   $ 72.00 |  $ 67.00 |    € 73,00 |  $ 90.00 |     $ 98.00 |    $ 57.690 |
TKL Alt Mods - British Navy            |   $ 52.00 |  $ 48.00 |    € 54,00 |  $ 65.00 |     $ 70.00 |    $ 41.690 |

Numpad - French Indigo                 |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |
Numpad - Russian Green                 |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |
Numpad - Austrian White                |   $ 23.00 |  $ 22.00 |    € 25,00 |  $ 28.00 |     $ 30.00 |    $ 18.490 |

Ortho Mods - French Indigo             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Ortho Mods - Russian Green             |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |
Ortho Mods - Austrian White            |   $ 42.00 |  $ 39.00 |    € 44,00 |  $ 52.00 |     $ 58.00 |    $ 33.690 |

Forties Mods - French Indigo           |   $ 51.00 |  $ 47.00 |    € 52,00 |  $ 64.00 |     $ 70.00 |             |
Forties Mods - Russian Green           |   $ 51.00 |  $ 47.00 |    € 52,00 |  $ 64.00 |     $ 70.00 |             |

Ergo Mods - French Indigo              |   $ 58.00 |  $ 55.00 |    € 59,00 |  $ 74.00 |     $ 80.00 |             |
Ergo Mods - Russian Green              |   $ 58.00 |  $ 55.00 |    € 59,00 |  $ 74.00 |     $ 80.00 |             |
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|
MISC
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|
Spacebars                              |   $ 30.00 |  $ 28.00 |    € 32,00 |  $ 37.00 |     $ 40.00 |    $ 24.090 |
Novelties                              |   $ 38.00 |  $ 35.00 |    € 39,00 |  $ 47.00 |     $ 51.00 |    $ 30.490 |
Mac Kit                                |   $ 21.00 |  $ 20.00 |    € 23,00 |  $ 26.00 |     $ 28.00 |    $ 16.890 |
Blank Ergo Ortho Kit                   |   $ 56.00 |  $ 52.00 |    € 57,00 |  $ 70.00 |             |             |

Madness Kit (also sold by g Heavy)     |   $ 47.00 |  $ 44.00 |    € 49,00 |  $ 60.00 |             |             |
---------------------------------------|-----------|----------|------------|----------|-------------|-------------|

NOTES

- Shipping & Handling charged separately for all vendors, except for zFrontier (orders over 100 USD).
- Prices for myKeyboard & Fancy Customs include VAT.  Prices for HEX Keyboards include GST.
- Prices for MKUltra, zFrontier, g Heavy, & Ashkeebs exclude sales tax (where applicable).
- Ashkeebs allows customers to pay in USD or CAD.  USD prices for Ashkeebs match those from MKUltra.
- Fancy Customs allows customers to pay in USD or CLP.  USD prices for Fancy Customs match those from zFrontier.
- HEX Keyboards allows customers to pay in AUD, USD, GBP, EUR, or SGD (auto-calculated).
- g Heavy Industries will act as an additional vendor for the Madness Kit only (priced at 60 CAD).

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: Anthixious on Thu, 29 October 2020, 02:09:33

My mind has tripped over itself so many times reading all these chats and updates. I haven't seen a more complex keycap set to ever debut, this is nuts. Needless to say, I'm kinda geeking out from all the different concepts.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:14:15

Can't wait to join the GB and wait for another year to put these on my board  :p

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: ..//dexx on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:54:07

Nice. Potentially $99 for a base set. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 29 October 2020, 11:17:04

Quote from: ..//dexx on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:54:07

Nice. Potentially $99 for a base set. :thumb:

Or as low as $80 for a typical 60/75/TKL, depending on the compatibility you require.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 30 October 2020, 13:21:03

I regret to inform you that for a variety of reasons, the previously announced titanium artisan has been cancelled.  After receiving the sample, I am not confident enough in the end result to sell it alongside KAT Napoleonic, particularly given its price point. As a result, the artisan will not be sold.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 08 November 2020, 09:00:59

Possible Delay

I regret to inform you that there is a chance KAT Napoleonic’s GB start may be delayed by a few days or more. Our sole contact with Keyreative has gone completely absent for several days, and he hasn’t replied to certain urgent messages in weeks. I’m worried that he’s seriously ill, grieving, imprisoned, or worse.

I will announce as soon as I know more. There’s a nonzero chance that he’ll show up at the last minute, and everything can move forward as expected after that.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: mytommy on Sun, 08 November 2020, 09:17:17

really upset theres no artisan collabs for this gb

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 08 November 2020, 10:15:20

Quote from: mytommy on Sun, 08 November 2020, 09:17:17

really upset theres no artisan collabs for this gb

It was disappointing for me to have to cancel that.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 08 November 2020, 20:04:39

Quote from: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 08 November 2020, 09:00:59

Possible Delay

I regret to inform you that there is a chance KAT Napoleonic’s GB start may be delayed by a few days or more. Our sole contact with Keyreative has gone completely absent for several days, and he hasn’t replied to certain urgent messages in weeks. I’m worried that he’s seriously ill, grieving, imprisoned, or worse.

I will announce as soon as I know more. There’s a nonzero chance that he’ll show up at the last minute, and everything can move forward as expected after that.

KAT NAPOLEONIC IS A GO!!! WOOHOO!!!

We will probably have some hiccups getting everything up-and-running, but we should not be as delayed as I feared! Hurrah for last-minute conflict resolution!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: hvontres on Sun, 08 November 2020, 20:54:14

Sorry if I missed this somewhere in this thread, but do you have a rough schedule at this point?

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 08 November 2020, 22:59:47

Quote from: hvontres on Sun, 08 November 2020, 20:54:14

Sorry if I missed this somewhere in this thread, but do you have a rough schedule at this point?

The plan is still to launch November 9th.  In my timezone, that starts in about three minutes.

Because of the far more urgent issues (that were only just resolved a few hours ago), some of the management of logistical issues pertaining to listing the items on the vendors' sites were tabled.  As a result, the first day may be a bit rocky in terms of who is actually up-and-running and when.  I will post as I know more.  I will also post an official GB thread here on Geekhack when we have most or all of the major vendors online.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 09 November 2020, 10:52:19

The Group Buy is now live in Europe on mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/search/?q=napoleonic&page=1) and in Southeast Asia on HEX Keyboards (https://hexkeyboards.com/collections/groupbuys). 

Other vendors are still working to get listings live, and we're still working to get the custom USB cables posted too.  I will continue to post updates here until I have the Group Buy page officially live here on Geekhack.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 09 November 2020, 13:04:04

Can't wait! Love the French mods/theme!

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: Domantas on Mon, 09 November 2020, 19:20:17

Dude you added Lithuania love it XD At last there is a set with Lithuanian letters. Napoleon loved Kaunas (Kowno) XD

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: Galk on Tue, 10 November 2020, 04:41:23

This should work with a 65 one block chase right?

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 10 November 2020, 12:43:18

Quote from: Domantas on Mon, 09 November 2020, 19:20:17

Dude you added Lithuania love it XD At last there is a set with Lithuanian letters. Napoleon loved Kaunas (Kowno) XD

Yes!  The Uhlan kit is my personal favorite of all the US-compatible alphas.  I'm really pleased with the design, and I hope others will find the quad-color multilingual support useful for it and the two other kits like it (Canadian French & Hungarian / South Slavic Latin).

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 10 November 2020, 12:44:20

Quote from: Galk on Tue, 10 November 2020, 04:41:23

This should work with a 65 one block chase right?

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

Do you have a link to your keyboard?  The most likely answer is "yes," though there are a few spacebar sizes that KAT can't support currently.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 10 November 2020, 12:50:33

The KAT Napoleonic Group Buy is now live worldwide!*

I am preparing the official Group Buy post for here on Geekhack and should have that up shortly.

KAT Napoleonic Preorders Open! (https://katnapoleonic.com/2020/11/10/kat-napoleonic-preorders-open/)

* Except for Fancy Customs (Chile) & g Heavy Industries

Be sure to check out the peripherals, including Deskmats and Coffee Mugs.  Vendors in Europe and the Americas are also selling custom USB cables in limited quantity, so get them while they last.

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Napoleonic | Keycap Kit Pricing Announced | GB 9 Nov 2020 - 9 Dec 2020
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 10 November 2020, 16:52:05

Group Buy Thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109526)