Best mouse for FPS games?

[Sniping]

G9x or Zowei FK for FPS.

How's the FK in comparison to the G9x? I use a G9x with no grip right now, and I was wondering how much different the Zowie was in comparison. I've been hearing some pretty good things about it along with some other fairly new mice out there.

[ferociousfingerings]

Just looking at the shape makes me think my hand will like the naga. I've thought about it for a long time, but... for whatever reason, never tried one. I am definitely a tip-gripper, and "pick-up" quite a lot, and that pick-up usually occurs from the anchored-wrist position. I realize this is probably not optimal, just what i'm used to. I like to relax and move as little as possible during extended gaming sessions. Plus, until i get my gh60, i have limited mouse-area. I say "limited," but really i have about a foot, it's just that the g710+ is a full size board, and i don't like leaning TOO far to the left to type, nor do i like having my mouse smacking my PC case.

This whole line of thought, what with the "i dislike moving my arm" and "i pick up too often" and "i'm used to high sensitivity" lead me to wonder if perhaps i should convert to trackball. It satisfies most of those conditions. I'd just have to change how i click. OTOH, converting to trackball might make me feel old. lol. OTOOH, a naga would save me from ever being interested in a TK pad for my small board (which i might have sometime this fall/winter?).

I play games from various genres...

naga... trackball... 360 pad for everything... not sure. Though "...Naga just for the shape then it's amazing." Is a pretty strong argument.

[fuzzybaffy]

Well, no peripheral is perfect, so... you have to weigh the good with the bad, and decide what you want.

I also wanted to throw in my two cents on the G700; I, too, think the G700 shape isn't all that great. It's an ok shape... for when you do nothing with the mouse. To me, it looks like the engineers/designers shaped the mouse according to the grip of your hand while the mouse is standing still. But the mouse doesn't stand still when gaming. When you start gaming and the mouse starts moving, your hand needs to naturally adjust its grip on the mouse. With the G700, the shape/grip is way, way too specific, so adjustments are hard to do, and gets uncomfortable while it gets moved around.

I'll agree it's not that bad when it comes to RTS's, but for FPS's, the shape is just frustrating.

[remdell]

There are so many mice to choose from.  I'd say go for a cheap, but efficient mouse to start off with and see what features you wish you had to make your FPS gaming more worthwhile.  I got a Logitech G7 as my first gaming mouse.  It was great except for a few factors: low battery life, few extra buttons, and a bumpy scroll wheel.  I upgraded to a G600, but I found that it too had its flaws.  The G600 wasn't really meant for average to below-average sized hands.  I often found myself clicking the G-shift button by accident when trying to access the G600's upper numpad buttons. 

Yet, the G600, to me, was perfect for FPS games.  I didn't need to access the upper numpad buttons.  I used the G-shift button exclusively for shifting the DPI sensitivity.  Logitech's modern mice software allows it so that you can use a button to shift from a higher sensitivity, with a press, to default sensitivity by letting go.  This is perfect for doing long range shots. 

In the end, decent software and mouse design is all you really need.  However, you might have to try or own at least one gaming mouse to get to your preference of design and software usage.

[microsoft windows]

The best mouse for FPS games is the Microsoft Mouse.

[Skylit]

There is no way to disable the acceleration in laser sensors as it is a limitation of the current technology used in those sensors, and from the graphs I've seen the accel is fairly inconsistent so even if there was a software setting to counteract it I doubt it would be reliable.
But there is no such setting in the SteelSeries Engine software.

People give me **** for mentioning this, but screw it. Don't care.

Laser and Optical are one in the same.  Optical LED and Optical Laser (VCSEL)   The most common designs share basic frame capture CMOS tech. Philips Twin Eye is quite unique as it makes use of 2 beams to detect motion via doppler for sensing.

The whole laser mice = acceleration is derived from the Avago 9500/9800 sensor architecture.  Any alternative solution that has been released functions as linearly as what many consider the best optical LED mice.  Cypress ONS I.. Agilent/Avago 60XX.. to name a couple.

Philips Twin Eye, the competitor to Avago 9500/9800 is inherently "acceleration free" **.

** Technically, no mouse is really free from acceleration when tested via machine.

[vun]

There is no way to disable the acceleration in laser sensors as it is a limitation of the current technology used in those sensors, and from the graphs I've seen the accel is fairly inconsistent so even if there was a software setting to counteract it I doubt it would be reliable.
But there is no such setting in the SteelSeries Engine software.

People give me **** for mentioning this, but screw it. Don't care.

Laser and Optical are one in the same.  Optical LED and Optical Laser (VCSEL)   The most common designs share basic frame capture CMOS tech. Philips Twin Eye is quite unique as it makes use of 2 beams to detect motion via doppler for sensing.

The whole laser mice = acceleration is derived from the Avago 9500/9800 sensor architecture.  Any alternative solution that has been released functions as linearly as what many consider the best optical LED mice.  Cypress ONS I.. Agilent/Avago 60XX.. to name a couple.

Philips Twin Eye, the competitor to Avago 9500/9800 is inherently "acceleration free" **.

** Technically, no mouse is really free from acceleration when tested via machine.

Thing is that nearly all laser mice use some variation of the 9500, 9800 or PTE, which might be accel free but flawed in other ways. Afaik all the mice using alternative laser sensors are old models that are no longer available.

But thanks for clearing it up, I wasn't really aware of the alternative laser sensors as I haven't delved that deep into it. I mostly concern myself with what something is, the basics of how it works and what it will mean to the end-user in practice rather than the finer details of how something works, so my knowledge is somewhat limited.

[domoaligato]

There is no way to disable the acceleration in laser sensors as it is a limitation of the current technology used in those sensors, and from the graphs I've seen the accel is fairly inconsistent so even if there was a software setting to counteract it I doubt it would be reliable.
But there is no such setting in the SteelSeries Engine software.

People give me **** for mentioning this, but screw it. Don't care.

Laser and Optical are one in the same.  Optical LED and Optical Laser (VCSEL)   The most common designs share basic frame capture CMOS tech. Philips Twin Eye is quite unique as it makes use of 2 beams to detect motion via doppler for sensing.

The whole laser mice = acceleration is derived from the Avago 9500/9800 sensor architecture.  Any alternative solution that has been released functions as linearly as what many consider the best optical LED mice.  Cypress ONS I.. Agilent/Avago 60XX.. to name a couple.

Philips Twin Eye, the competitor to Avago 9500/9800 is inherently "acceleration free" **.

** Technically, no mouse is really free from acceleration when tested via machine.

So what do you own and prefer?

[Skylit]

There is no way to disable the acceleration in laser sensors as it is a limitation of the current technology used in those sensors, and from the graphs I've seen the accel is fairly inconsistent so even if there was a software setting to counteract it I doubt it would be reliable.
But there is no such setting in the SteelSeries Engine software.

People give me **** for mentioning this, but screw it. Don't care.

Laser and Optical are one in the same.  Optical LED and Optical Laser (VCSEL)   The most common designs share basic frame capture CMOS tech. Philips Twin Eye is quite unique as it makes use of 2 beams to detect motion via doppler for sensing.

The whole laser mice = acceleration is derived from the Avago 9500/9800 sensor architecture.  Any alternative solution that has been released functions as linearly as what many consider the best optical LED mice.  Cypress ONS I.. Agilent/Avago 60XX.. to name a couple.

Philips Twin Eye, the competitor to Avago 9500/9800 is inherently "acceleration free" **.

** Technically, no mouse is really free from acceleration when tested via machine.

Thing is that nearly all laser mice use some variation of the 9500, 9800 or PTE, which might be accel free but flawed in other ways. Afaik all the mice using alternative laser sensors are old models that are no longer available.

But thanks for clearing it up, I wasn't really aware of the alternative laser sensors as I haven't delved that deep into it. I mostly concern myself with what something is, the basics of how it works and what it will mean to the end-user in practice rather than the finer details of how something works, so my knowledge is somewhat limited.

Yes that's understood, but my goal is to illustrate architectural sensor limitation(s) rather than associating "accel" with a type of illumination source on its own.  It's just silly imho^^ 

Many mistake me of defending specific mice or rather sensor model, when I'm merely trying to explain the source.   I suppose I'm expected to give out a "x is better than x" explanation, but I feel more proper to accept opinions as I've become fairly neutral overtime.

Nowadays there are things being added to the mouse sensor for the sake of increasing CPI count.  Would consider that a bigger threat ^^

So what do you own and prefer?

I've owned many many mice.  I'm partial to choose preferred shape over perfection on all fronts.  There are designs I rather adore, but feel the hardware quality per model isn't the greatest (G100 for example) Still doesn't mean its a bad mouse if fully functional.  Kinda same way people perceive some mice as bad (A lot rzr mice), while they're halfway decent vs market from a hardware perspective. Happens with keyboards quite often.

Currently using a self modded LH DA. 

Also Like in no specific order:

Kone Pure shape (RH palm, fits perfect resting, I'll still claw it gaming)
IE 3.0 shape (RH)
Spawn Shape (RH)
IO 1.1 Shape
G1/G3/Mx300/G100 shape
Abyssus Shape
Xai Shape
etc..

But this is all subjective. I recommend finding a nice shape and going from there. 

Sensor wise, I'm not really content with anything really.  Not in a bad way either as I'm really fine with each of those.  It's more of me being stubborn with a few things related to sensor manufacturer.

[HendyZone]

personally vote for Razer DeathAdder 2013 

[domoaligato]

personally vote for Razer DeathAdder 2013 

i have owned this for 4 months and it is already double clicking. i will never buy another razer mouse ever.

[yasuo]

i have owned this for 4 months and it is already double clicking. i will never buy another razer mouse ever.

Changing switch with omron switch

[domoaligato]

i have owned this for 4 months and it is already double clicking. i will never buy another razer mouse ever.

chaging switch with omron

huh? are you saying I should change the switches or razer already changed the switches? I have a support ticket I opened yesterday. if they decide to not help me (no rma) then I will dissect the mouse for mouse science and take pics.

edit: and yes I know I can open it up and use contact cleaner to fix it.
that is not the point. razer needs to fix this defect that has plagued all there mice for years.

[vun]

i have owned this for 4 months and it is already double clicking. i will never buy another razer mouse ever.

chaging switch with omron

huh? are you saying I should change the switches or razer already changed the switches? I have a support ticket I opened yesterday. if they decide to not help me (no rma) then I will dissect the mouse for mouse science and take pics.

edit: and yes I know I can open it up and use contact cleaner to fix it.
that is not the point. razer needs to fix this defect that has plagued all there mice for years.

I don't think it's simply a problem with their mice, Razer's problem is more likely overall lack of quality control on all their products. Though I'm guessing they're selling so much that they don't bother doing much about it, which is a bit odd since there are probably loads of potential customers who decide not to buy due to fear of getting a dud.

[lanlav123]

Well i am using fingertip grip and i used to have cyborg rat 7 mouse, i really liked the whole mouse design but one of the most noticable cons was the less durable plastic and one of the pros is that if you take time you can customize it like 100%, you find profiles made by pro gamers for diffrent games and stuff, now i am using corsair vengeance m65, its also a cool mouse atm. i havent noticed any cons, the thing i really like about it is the snipe key thats really big compared to other i seen and its easy to press, i also like that you can customize the weight. I have kinda big hands about 8 inches, so it suits me well for fingertip grip and i would recommend it if you are looking for something like that

[noisyturtle]

For FPS gaming you generally want something smaller with fingertip/claw grip, easily liftable, and substantial dpi that perhaps has individual x and y axis settings. I don't play many FPS games and like big comfortable palm grip mice with stable sensors, but an acquaintance of mine is a top ranked Battlefield 2/3 and TF2 player and this is what he always looks for in a mouse. He usually uses a Logitech G9x or CM Storm Spawn, which both seem pretty similar to me but they win him tournaments so I guess they both have merits.

[lanlav123]

I personally use the corsair and cyborg mouse as fingertip, becouse i have so big hands that i cant really hold small mice like cm storm spawn or g9. There is no real fingertip specific mouse for people with big hands so i just read some forum posts and stuff and i decided what i liked

[vun]

For FPS gaming you generally want something smaller with fingertip/claw grip, easily liftable, and substantial dpi that perhaps has individual x and y axis settings.

Purely preference, although what you said is often said about RTS gamers as that style makes precision micro easier. In FPS it's pretty much all preference, but one of the common generalisations I've seen is that FPS players will often prefer palm mice to make larger swipes easier, but again this is all preference as one style doesn't give you an advantage over another.

[fuzzybaffy]

Case in point:

That's supposedly a pro player who uses a Deathadder. I have no idea who he is, though, but he says his other pro CS player friend who wins a lot of tournaments uses the Deathadder. He doesn't specifically talk about the grip, but if he likes it enough to use it, I assume the fatter grip of the Deathadder isn't much of an issue for him.

[zoolzoo]

G400. Tried DA13, very nice but didnt fit my hand correctly. Im used to the old Logitech feel.

[fuzzybaffy]

Yea... I don't mean to say we should count out all other (smaller) mice, but I'm saying, let's not count out other mice on the account of fatter grips (because it apparently works for other people with FPS games) as well.

[domoaligato]

Does anyone else here have a ESEA account?

please go browse the profiles of some of the top pros.
pro players use whatever mouse feels good and works for them.
there are quite a few mice listed that might surprise you.

[Quardah]

Ikari Laser is incredible. Never look back.

[PadawanGeek]

Multiple mice user, I have three rigs and I use whatever mice that suits my grip style. It doesn't necessarily have to be laser or optical, as long as its reasonably spec'ed and fits your hand comfortably, that makes it the "best"t gaming mouse for you. I have two smaller mice, a Xornet and a Logitech G9 (first gen), and I love them both, have not let me down even in fast paced FPS games like Quake 3 Arena and UT3. My Roccat Kone XTD is a tad larger than them, but due to ergonomics, it fits very nicely in my hand and I have no problem fragging with it. As long as you're comfortable with it, and as long as it's capable of at least 1600dpi, it's the "best" mouse for you.

[spaceburge]

Look at your grip on the mouse. This should be the biggest deciding factor into which one you go for.

Claw, fingertip or palm. If it's the latter find a mouse with a high back to support your wrist and be relatively wide. If the former then look at some of the Zowie's like the FK or the AM and the Steelseries range.

Optical is better for FPS games and I prefer the accurate tracking too.

Zowie FK user. No flashy lights, no over complicated buttons, no software. Perfect.

[fuzzybaffy]

Look at your grip on the mouse. This should be the biggest deciding factor into which one you go for.

Claw, fingertip or palm. If it's the latter find a mouse with a high back to support your wrist and be relatively wide. If the former then look at some of the Zowie's like the FK or the AM and the Steelseries range.

Optical is better for FPS games and I prefer the accurate tracking too.

Zowie FK user. No flashy lights, no over complicated buttons, no software. Perfect.

How's the grip on the FK? No fatigue?

[KaLam1ty]

I have always liked the 2nd Gen Deathadder, but like all of other Razer's gear, the build quality is pretty ****.
The hardware on it is quite nice though but I've had to mod the guts on the inside to reinforce some of the
pieces within (i.e. the button plungers which seems to get grinded up after use).

[Quardah]

The best mouse for FPS games is the Microsoft Mouse.

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Interest Check for Group Buy. This product looks like best in line and i'm lucky enough to still have a PS2 interface on my laptop.

[Hyde]

I can't do wired.
The cords simply don't last and I always feel as though I'm fighting them. And yes, you can disable acceleration.

There's 2 ways to count that:

1.  I usually just pull the cord up and leave a huge slack on my desk.  You only get the "pull" when it's hanging out desk edge.  If you have a bunch on your desk the drag is minimal.

2.  Get a mouse bungee, they look stupid but they do work lol.

I can't do wireless because I like lighter mouse and also I don't want to deal with recharging battery.

[ynrozturk]

There are so many good mice out there, it all depends on what you need and your style.

For the past 12 years or so I used the Logitech MX518, which in my eyes is a legend of a mouse. It finally died a few months ago and since then I've bought two new mice so I could experiment for a bit. The Cyborg RAT 7 is fantastic. Despite the odd shape, I couldn't believe how comfortable it actually was. You get used to it real fast, especially since it has a support wing for your pinky finger.

The other one I have is a Razer Lachesis Refresh, which is just buttery smooth. They both track well, but that also has a lot to do with the surface you have your mouse on. I still use my Icemat from way back and I don't see any reason to upgrade from it.

Overall, for me, I'd say that the RAT 7 is just more comfortable overall.

[Lawngahnome]

Razor DeathAdder. Simple, effective, and perpetually on sale somewhere. It also have a bunch of special ed runs, so you can get one with a cool design from some game or another.

[TheSoulhunter]

Re: Double-clicking...
Whenever a mouse starts double-clicking I hit the button very hard a couple times and it work normally again (for days, weeks or months).

[Niomosy]

The Deathadder was meh.  No right/left on the middle mouse button which wouldn't have been so bad had the middle button itself required less force to push (Unix admin so I do make fair use of it for work).  Thumb buttons seemed in an odd location compared to my G5.  No DPI adjustment buttons.

I suppose I should have stuck with my plan to just order the Imperator online but the wife was gung-ho for avoiding having it shipped.

Back to the G5 for now.  It's getting replaced mostly due to the pain my forearm from clicking.  The right button being a bit stuck probably isn't helping things.

[pr1me]

Kone pure optical and Zowie FK are great mice 

[ItsBc]

the best mice is which ever one you are most comfortable with; as long as there are no sensor issues.
go to store and try them

[chill1217]

the zowie fk really intrigues me.  how long do zowie FK usually last, and how is their warranty?  i've been using the logitech mx 500/518/g400 series forever, but they always die in ~2 years.  logitech's customer service is great though and they always send a replacement.

[ssdt]

First of all: I use the palm-grip.
After years of professional gaming with my Logitech MX518, this mouse finally gave up (it served me for 6 years).
Since then, due to not playing competitive anymore, I used a SteelSeries Kinzu until a month ago, which is a pretty cool mouse for casual gaming, but I felt the need for a bigger one again. After A LOT of research I decided to buy a ROCCAT KONE XTD that is honestly the best mouse I have ever had in my hands. The laser (the firmware is updated so there is no nasty delay!) is the most accurate one I have tried. For a lower budget you can get the ROCCAT KONE pure (without leds) but with the stabilized mousewheel. ROCCAT had problems with it before, but the new mice are just perfect  

[Niomosy]

First of all: I use the palm-grip.
After years of professional gaming with my Logitech MX518, this mouse finally gave up (it served me for 6 years).
Since then, due to not playing competitive anymore, I used a SteelSeries Kinzu until a month ago, which is a pretty cool mouse for casual gaming, but I felt the need for a bigger one again. After A LOT of research I decided to buy a ROCCAT KONE XTD that is honestly the best mouse I have ever had in my hands. The laser (the firmware is updated so there is no nasty delay!) is the most accurate one I have tried. For a lower budget you can get the ROCCAT KONE pure (without leds) but with the stabilized mousewheel. ROCCAT had problems with it before, but the new mice are just perfect  

I swear the XTD keeps coming up in my search for a replacement for my G5.  I went to Fry's to try to check one out and... they had lots of other models but no XTD.  The Kone + shape seemed like it would work out but as they weren't open I wasn't able to give one a fair test.  I may have to find a Fry's that has the XTD in stock and try one out. 

Otherwise I may just bit the bullet and try a G500s or possibly G400s.

[ssdt]

First of all: I use the palm-grip.
After years of professional gaming with my Logitech MX518, this mouse finally gave up (it served me for 6 years).
Since then, due to not playing competitive anymore, I used a SteelSeries Kinzu until a month ago, which is a pretty cool mouse for casual gaming, but I felt the need for a bigger one again. After A LOT of research I decided to buy a ROCCAT KONE XTD that is honestly the best mouse I have ever had in my hands. The laser (the firmware is updated so there is no nasty delay!) is the most accurate one I have tried. For a lower budget you can get the ROCCAT KONE pure (without leds) but with the stabilized mousewheel. ROCCAT had problems with it before, but the new mice are just perfect  

I swear the XTD keeps coming up in my search for a replacement for my G5.  I went to Fry's to try to check one out and... they had lots of other models but no XTD.  The Kone + shape seemed like it would work out but as they weren't open I wasn't able to give one a fair test.  I may have to find a Fry's that has the XTD in stock and try one out. 

Otherwise I may just bit the bullet and try a G500s or possibly G400s.

I was also in for a g400s, then read 'some' reviews (like 60 or so lol). Then I tried one and it was nothing like the mx518 (plus they didn't fix their cable issues), thats why I thought I should get a g500s. Apperently the laser of this mouse makes high-pitched squeeks from time to time that tend to get very loud after a year, having people returning the mouse because of that. So I guess LG is pretty much dead to me because of things like this. With the Roccat mice the only problem was the mousewheel, which got fixed with the new kone ed. (Just make sure to get one with the new "titan wheel") If you read rumors about a 'failing laser' or 'overreacting laser' that has also been fixed with the new firmware.
Best mouse I ever had. I will never go with another I guess!

Best mouse I have ever used.

[vun]

First of all: I use the palm-grip.
After years of professional gaming with my Logitech MX518, this mouse finally gave up (it served me for 6 years).
Since then, due to not playing competitive anymore, I used a SteelSeries Kinzu until a month ago, which is a pretty cool mouse for casual gaming, but I felt the need for a bigger one again. After A LOT of research I decided to buy a ROCCAT KONE XTD that is honestly the best mouse I have ever had in my hands. The laser (the firmware is updated so there is no nasty delay!) is the most accurate one I have tried. For a lower budget you can get the ROCCAT KONE pure (without leds) but with the stabilized mousewheel. ROCCAT had problems with it before, but the new mice are just perfect  

I swear the XTD keeps coming up in my search for a replacement for my G5.  I went to Fry's to try to check one out and... they had lots of other models but no XTD.  The Kone + shape seemed like it would work out but as they weren't open I wasn't able to give one a fair test.  I may have to find a Fry's that has the XTD in stock and try one out. 

Otherwise I may just bit the bullet and try a G500s or possibly G400s.

I was also in for a g400s, then read 'some' reviews (like 60 or so lol). Then I tried one and it was nothing like the mx518 (plus they didn't fix their cable issues), thats why I thought I should get a g500s. Apperently the laser of this mouse makes high-pitched squeeks from time to time that tend to get very loud after a year, having people returning the mouse because of that. So I guess LG is pretty much dead to me because of things like this. With the Roccat mice the only problem was the mousewheel, which got fixed with the new kone ed. (Just make sure to get one with the new "titan wheel") If you read rumors about a 'failing laser' or 'overreacting laser' that has also been fixed with the new firmware.
Best mouse I ever had. I will never go with another I guess!

Best mouse I have ever used.

Just curious; how is the G400 nothing like the MX518? It's the exact same shape, the earlier models even had sensors with prediction like on the MX518.

[Elrick]

I was also in for a g400s, then read 'some' reviews (like 60 or so lol). Then I tried one and it was nothing like the mx518 (plus they didn't fix their cable issues), thats why I thought I should get a g500s. Apperently the laser of this mouse makes high-pitched squeeks from time to time that tend to get very loud after a year, having people returning the mouse because of that.

Damn, I nearly fell over laughin', a mouse that actually squeaks (I want one).  A true 'living' rodent  .

[w4rtortle]

Razer Deathadder, SS Sensei, or one of Zowie variants.

Deathadder has the best tracking ability imo. Sensei and Zowie feel great to hold.

This is a perfect answer, I agree 100%

[Niomosy]

First of all: I use the palm-grip.
After years of professional gaming with my Logitech MX518, this mouse finally gave up (it served me for 6 years).
Since then, due to not playing competitive anymore, I used a SteelSeries Kinzu until a month ago, which is a pretty cool mouse for casual gaming, but I felt the need for a bigger one again. After A LOT of research I decided to buy a ROCCAT KONE XTD that is honestly the best mouse I have ever had in my hands. The laser (the firmware is updated so there is no nasty delay!) is the most accurate one I have tried. For a lower budget you can get the ROCCAT KONE pure (without leds) but with the stabilized mousewheel. ROCCAT had problems with it before, but the new mice are just perfect  

I swear the XTD keeps coming up in my search for a replacement for my G5.  I went to Fry's to try to check one out and... they had lots of other models but no XTD.  The Kone + shape seemed like it would work out but as they weren't open I wasn't able to give one a fair test.  I may have to find a Fry's that has the XTD in stock and try one out. 

Otherwise I may just bit the bullet and try a G500s or possibly G400s.

I was also in for a g400s, then read 'some' reviews (like 60 or so lol). Then I tried one and it was nothing like the mx518 (plus they didn't fix their cable issues), thats why I thought I should get a g500s. Apperently the laser of this mouse makes high-pitched squeeks from time to time that tend to get very loud after a year, having people returning the mouse because of that. So I guess LG is pretty much dead to me because of things like this. With the Roccat mice the only problem was the mousewheel, which got fixed with the new kone ed. (Just make sure to get one with the new "titan wheel") If you read rumors about a 'failing laser' or 'overreacting laser' that has also been fixed with the new firmware.
Best mouse I ever had. I will never go with another I guess!

Best mouse I have ever used.

Those are the same reviews I've been reading which has stalled my purchase of a G500s or G400s.  Yet nothing else seems to have the height of the 400/500 shape.  The DA wasn't quite comfortable for me to palm (needed height, length, or possibly a bit of both) and the Mamba looks like it's about the same shape.

The XTD looks promising in trying to avoid the problematic Logitech mice.  It does seem a bit shorter than the Logitech but seems to have dimensions to compensate for that to still make it comfy.  I'm hoping a nearby Fry's does have them so I can pick one up and return if it doesn't work out.  Much easier than trying to order and return to Newegg and I don't think Amazon allows returns on opened mice or so I read.

[ssdt]

Just curious; how is the G400 nothing like the MX518? It's the exact same shape, the earlier models even had sensors with prediction like on the MX518.

It just felt less 'worth the money', it's kind of hard to describe, let's take the mousewheel for expamle, it just felt not very reliable when scrolling. I'm not talking about the sensor, just the way the mouse feels in my hand.

Damn, I nearly fell over laughin', a mouse that actually squeaks (I want one).  A true 'living' rodent  .

I was thinking about the same when I read the reviews

[demik]

deathadder ftw

[Niomosy]

deathadder ftw

I wish it were longer and taller

[Cafiend]

I use a Razer Deathadder. I have a love and hate relationship with it. My hands are large and claw grip..my pinky nail rubs off the end ..lol.

So I just ordered a Steelseries Ikari and that thing doesn't fit my hand at all. I wanted to like it but can't 

Back to using the Razer until I find something else. I am almost tempted to look at Logitech again.

[ynrozturk]

The new Logitech mice looks nice. You may also want to check out the Cyborg R.A.T. 7 - extremely comfortable mouse. Gotta love that pinky rest.

[Saturn]

Just curious; how is the G400 nothing like the MX518? It's the exact same shape, the earlier models even had sensors with prediction like on the MX518.

It just felt less 'worth the money', it's kind of hard to describe, let's take the mousewheel for expamle, it just felt not very reliable when scrolling. I'm not talking about the sensor, just the way the mouse feels in my hand.

You guys are probably talking about different mice.  The G400 is not the G400s, they're two different products.

I'll always prefer a mouse that just mouses well.  I hate gimmick features.  If it were my choice, I'd have something just like the G400 except without a scroll wheel.  I guess it's a minority opinion because I've never really heard anyone else complain about scroll wheels, but I think it's a ****ty, useless innovation.  If we could go back to mice having a button in the center instead like they did back in the unix days, we'd be so much better off.  I never really use my scroll wheel in games, but a central button is something I could use all the time.

[PointyFox]

Any mice out there the same shape as the G5 or its successors, or a bit wider?