R1 1u backspace and R2 1.5u delete missing.I agree with the 1u backspace but the 1.5u delete isn’t really needed since there’s already a 1.5u backspace. Seems pretty redundant to have both.
Well it depends on how you want to run it, right? Some people prefer to go R1 delete and R2 backspace, some people prefer to go R1 backspace and R2 delete. Be that as it may, this was available in GMK Doom.R1 1u backspace and R2 1.5u delete missing.I agree with the 1u backspace but the 1.5u delete isn’t really needed since there’s already a 1.5u backspace. Seems pretty redundant to have both.
I'm in. Presume CR/N9?
I'm in. Presume CR/N9?
That could be up for debate. Definitely still CR for the base but depending on interest the legends could be adjusted to something a little less "ninja".
this was available in GMK Doom.I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didn’t do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.
CR/N9 is perfect, don't change it.I completely agree here.
this was available in GMK Doom.I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didn’t do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.
Thinking it over, I can get behind getting rid of 1u backspace.
I am also interested in a set containing the exact colors in the original colorway (minus novelties/accents, those were the least interesting aspect of the original project.)
Rather than starting from scratch - im curious what Cartel had in mind, not only were they the partners in the original project, they had intimated they had a theme and tweaks for the set already in mind.
For what its worth, I would actually be interested in Cartel taking the lead on the set, for those reasons.
I am also interested in a set containing the exact colors in the original colorway (minus novelties/accents, those were the least interesting aspect of the original project.)
Rather than starting from scratch - im curious what Cartel had in mind, not only were they the partners in the original project, they had intimated they had a theme and tweaks for the set already in mind.
For what its worth, I would actually be interested in Cartel taking the lead on the set, for those reasons.
I've also said that recently, not sure if Donutcat reached out to Cartel before starting this thread.
Without the novelties it's not CU's design, as this colourway has been run before on the Exent set. Additionally, as Cartel has already showed interest in running this, I think they should be the ones to do it, as they were heavily involved in this GB.
I'd be interested in letting them have it to run as we're pretty good buddies, I'm just wanting to get my hands on the set design for it really since I don't get much of an opportunity to throw together a set without having to worry about all the logistics behind it. Plus I think I could do a decent bit to help the kit design out.
Donut, I don't see why we'd have any issue with collaborating on it if you have some ideas and get the greenlight from CU (I agree with you on that, matter of respect even if the core colorway has shown up elsewhere). Obviously sales logistics is the only real question mark since we're both US retailers, but I imagine we could all sort something fair out.
Let me know what you hear and think tho, maybe there's something we can all make happen here.
Since this set isn't being offered with accents, it would be nice if it we're offered in a colorway where there are accents available.
Oco has several sets of accents intended for Dolch that have N9 as the legend color.
Probably the brightest stock GMK gray that doesn't come across as off-white is CC.
My vote is N9.
this was available in GMK Doom.I think going down that route is a recipe for failure. GMK Doom didn’t do well and if we want this set to go differently changes will have to be made. Getting rid of very similar keys, that are only useful for one layout, to make room for compatibility is probably a better route.
Thinking it over, I can get behind getting rid of 1u backspace.
Doom didn't fail because of the set, it failed because the GB runner didn't do a thing to advertise or create hype around the set. That being said, price for this set is sure to go down in comparison because there will not be any novelties or accent keys included in this set's base kit.Or instead of dropping the price those keys can be replaced to attract new people with different layouts.
InterestedSame
I'm definitely in anyway, but I think that orange backspace looked quite nice on the DOOM renders. I'd also add a R1 1u and R2 1.5u orange backspaces next to a standard R1 2u one.
Another idea could be an split/ErgoDox set? I'm not sure how many would be interested, but for me personally ErgoDox is always a good idea :)
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)
(https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png)
Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.
I think an inverted Esc and Enter keys would look cool, black legends on grey caps.
I'm in provided the legends remain ninja dark (N9).
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)
(https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png)
Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??
That being said i still love the colorway and I'm glad you are picking it up from the ashes on the doom(ed) set can I ask for a favor?
Please add a 1U, R1 backspace key,I still don't know why this is still not a standard key by now. Ill buy the set regardless cuz I love the colorway,having that 1U backspace would make me very very happy
Sucks you wont be including the theme. Hopefully one day someone will combine hiphop and keyboards together,wu-tang keyset anyone??
That being said i still love the colorway and I'm glad you are picking it up from the ashes on the doom(ed) set can I ask for a favor?
Please add a 1U, R1 backspace key,I still don't know why this is still not a standard key by now. Ill buy the set regardless cuz I love the colorway,having that 1U backspace would make me very very happy
A proper orange accent kit might well hit MOQ, especially if the colors match Skidata or Skidolcha.
Would accents of black on grey be possible?
I am in love with this. Please keep the R3 1.75 Fn key! So few sets have one. Love this set without the novelties!It looks like r3 1.5u in the picture but I imagine it’s supposed to be 1.75u. Might just be an error unless it’s for some other layout.
Updated base kit based off feedback so far
(https://i.imgur.com/Etx4Kqx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Etx4Kqx.png)
Added 1u Backspace support, added CR on N9 accents.
Also, the R3 Fns are 1.25u and 1.5u, as physical support for odd layouts.
Updated base kit based off feedback so far
(https://i.imgur.com/Etx4Kqx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Etx4Kqx.png)
Added 1u Backspace support, added CR on N9 accents.
Also, the R3 Fns are 1.25u and 1.5u, as physical support for odd layouts.
I would love to see traction on a full grey mod kit (space bar too). I think it would be really easy to accent other key sets and would look sweet in general with the inverse alphas.
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.
PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
maybe the accents would look better with white legends?
This looks really good, the R2 1.5u Delete key and R4 1.5u Code keys are great for us Mac users.
One question: what is an “Alt Gr” key?
How about a gray accent spacebar? Or even a separate spacebar kit, although I think you can get those from Oco (unless you include small spacebars for split space or 40% layouts).
I would love to see traction on a full grey mod kit (space bar too). I think it would be really easy to accent other key sets and would look sweet in general with the inverse alphas.
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.
PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
No plans for VIM arrows as it's not relevant to the set theme currently.
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.
PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
No plans for VIM arrows as it's not relevant to the set theme currently.
In all honesty, I don't really understand that. First because, at present, this set has no theme, it's just a colourway taken from GMK Doom (RIP). Secondly, I fail to see how having 4 keys with arrow sublegends (that is great for anyone running 60% boards or smaller) can be anything but a plus for this set...
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.
PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
No plans for VIM arrows as it's not relevant to the set theme currently.
In all honesty, I don't really understand that. First because, at present, this set has no theme, it's just a colourway taken from GMK Doom (RIP). Secondly, I fail to see how having 4 keys with arrow sublegends (that is great for anyone running 60% boards or smaller) can be anything but a plus for this set...
Terminals theme was programming etc, where they're relevant. They aren't relevant here.
The keys will add cost, and/or, take up space used for keys to give better compatibility.
If you believe it is "anything but a plus", my suggestion would be to put an IC up yourself, and see how much actual interest there is. I imagine it'll be less than the ISO crowd.
Perfect. Now kindly take my money, sir.
PS: Having H J K L with arrows, as GMK Terminal, would also be sweet.
No plans for VIM arrows as it's not relevant to the set theme currently.
In all honesty, I don't really understand that. First because, at present, this set has no theme, it's just a colourway taken from GMK Doom (RIP). Secondly, I fail to see how having 4 keys with arrow sublegends (that is great for anyone running 60% boards or smaller) can be anything but a plus for this set...
Terminals theme was programming etc, where they're relevant. They aren't relevant here.
The keys will add cost, and/or, take up space used for keys to give better compatibility.
If you believe it is "anything but a plus", my suggestion would be to put an IC up yourself, and see how much actual interest there is. I imagine it'll be less than the ISO crowd.
Rama's Heavy Industry also has arrow keys sublegends and it's not themed for programming. Be that as it may, it's super simple for donutcat to see if there is interest on this or not, just start a poll here. This is an interest check, right?
I'd be in for this since I'm an idiot and missed out on Doom. A lack of theme I think is actually a bonus if it can keep the price down.
No VIM caps please.
GMK GOBI didn't even know I wanted this until I saw this.Show Image(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/f/fb/Season_4_Poster_-_G.O.B.jpg)
Nice one!
speaking of Accent, what do you think of something unconventional?
Only Esc and Return but in three/four different colors? (One of those must be orange anyway....)
(https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sWBcliU.png)
Something like this is what I originally had in mind, either this and a single kit, or expand them by adding spacebars and make them each individual accent kits available for lots of sets.
+1 for RGB accents
Any chance we can move accent keys + ISO to separate kits, in order to make it cheaper for the vast majority?If the ISO enter key is moved to a separate kit, it won’t get made. We can’t afford to alienate every single ISO country. Not having their correct legends is one thing. Not being able to cover their keyboards at all, is a completely different story.
Any chance we can move accent keys + ISO to separate kits, in order to make it cheaper for the vast majority?If the ISO enter key is moved to a separate kit, it won’t get made. We can’t afford to alienate every single ISO country. Not having their correct legends is one thing. Not being able to cover their keyboards at all, is a completely different story.
Looks like the accent keys have a good amount of support. You’d probably be be outnumbered on that.
I'd be in with an additional ISO-DE kit to the base kit.
I think the size of the original doom basekit is the way to go. Good compatibility for everyone without exploding costs.
This does really remind of Ninja a lot, I would say the black on the key might be different but overall might want to add some "personality" to differentiate and standout.
If there's no ISO support with legends, I'm instantly out.
Alt Gr is another name for the RAlt, most commonly used in layouts such as ANSI-Intl where you need to access sublegend layers. I like having it in my kits since I think it looks neat and some people may find use for it.
Alt Gr is another name for the RAlt, most commonly used in layouts such as ANSI-Intl where you need to access sublegend layers. I like having it in my kits since I think it looks neat and some people may find use for it.
Would it be possible to still include both standard Alt keys per size along with the AltGr keys?
The AltGr is really killing this for me.
I agree with this. Text mods only please.
Alt Gr is another name for the RAlt, most commonly used in layouts such as ANSI-Intl where you need to access sublegend layers. I like having it in my kits since I think it looks neat and some people may find use for it.
Would it be possible to still include both standard Alt keys per size along with the AltGr keys?
The AltGr is really killing this for me.
If it seems like a problem I'll switch back to just Alt since I wouldn't want to fluff the kit with useless dupes.I agree with this. Text mods only please.
Good news is text mods are currently in the lead by 22%.
i might be interested in this. i'm curious about the possibility of a blanks kit for ergodox to run alongside it. they would likely offer a lower MOQ for that since it would be small and all blanks, and it would then make any GMK set with a black base color usable on ergodox.
i might be interested in this. i'm curious about the possibility of a blanks kit for ergodox to run alongside it. they would likely offer a lower MOQ for that since it would be small and all blanks, and it would then make any GMK set with a black base color usable on ergodox.
i might be interested in this. i'm curious about the possibility of a blanks kit for ergodox to run alongside it. they would likely offer a lower MOQ for that since it would be small and all blanks, and it would then make any GMK set with a black base color usable on ergodox.
Terminal is already basically doing this. N9 instead of true black, but I'm not sure there's much that actually uses full black. Plus the prices really aren't that good based on past ergodox kits.
Unfortunately I'm not interested in devoting time to designing and having quoted a child kit that will cost more than people want to pay, struggle to hit MOQ, and cause people to drop base kit orders when the kit doesn't hit MOQ, especially when Terminal is getting ready to run a very similar kit that will most likely draw in the people that would want it. Maybe in the future a dedicated CR Ergodox kit could be run, but I don't think it belongs with this set.
Small update since this hasn't been poked in a bit, looks like 61%+ want RGB accents to be another GB as opposed to tacked onto this one, and ~59% want text only mods over text+icon, so that's the way I'll be heading with this. Once images are back up working on here I'll post current mockups, see if everyone's happy with those, then start talking with Cartel about the set since there's really not a whole lot more to do with it developmentally.Works for me :thumb:
Small update since this hasn't been poked in a bit, looks like 61%+ want RGB accents to be another GB as opposed to tacked onto this one, and ~59% want text only mods over text+icon, so that's the way I'll be heading with this. Once images are back up working on here I'll post current mockups, see if everyone's happy with those, then start talking with Cartel about the set since there's really not a whole lot more to do with it developmentally.
Small update since this hasn't been poked in a bit, looks like 61%+ want RGB accents to be another GB as opposed to tacked onto this one, and ~59% want text only mods over text+icon, so that's the way I'll be heading with this. Once images are back up working on here I'll post current mockups, see if everyone's happy with those, then start talking with Cartel about the set since there's really not a whole lot more to do with it developmentally.
hey donut! Any updates on the visual mockups? I'm still super interested in this set!
Alright, so I accidentally locked myself out of my account yesterday, so here's the current mockup today instead:
(https://i.imgur.com/S0uWZ1T.png) (https://i.imgur.com/S0uWZ1T.png)
Pending any major complaints I can start talking with Cartel about the set.
Any update on this?
Love this colorway, but depending on pricing, im probably out.
Just cant justify spending money on extra keys I dont need anymore (ISO). GMK sets are getting so bloated as it is, and this set isnt even that bad.
A few dollars will make the difference for me, either way.
Would you consider a 2 unit spacebar as well?
I'd love to throw those on my Alice
So... did this die...?
Haven't really heard back from Cartel on the set, though I know they're pretty busy, particularly End is busy dealing with irl stuff, so I haven't really pushed it. Maybe it'll happen soon, maybe not for a bit, but it will happen that's for sure.