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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1400 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 13:10:36 »
Am i the only person annoyed by the PWM flicker of the backlight LEDs (keyswitch LEDs, not the back-*side* LEDs)?
Haven't noticed it mentioned by anyone. It's pretty nasty, i'd say 60 Hz or so?
I notice it as well but it is common with duck pcbs

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1401 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 13:15:30 »
Am i the only person annoyed by the PWM flicker of the backlight LEDs (keyswitch LEDs, not the back-*side* LEDs)?
Haven't noticed it mentioned by anyone. It's pretty nasty, i'd say 60 Hz or so?

I think it depends on the LEDs and the brightness settings, the lower the brightness the more noticeable imo. I haven't really noticed it all with the Pink LEDs that I'm using but in the low brightness settings with the White LEDs on my RS96 it is very noticeable.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1402 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:12:32 »
Yeah, white LEDs here.
I notice it at nearly full brightness.

Oh well... Perhaps it'll be less noticeable with the keycaps on.

Haven't assembled it yet, i'm stuck on trying to figure out why my space is sticky with a space bar on.
My current suspect is the cherry stab wire - it's likely bent a little too wide, so one of the stabs is at an angle instead of completely straight.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1403 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:33:23 »
Yeah, white LEDs here.
I notice it at nearly full brightness.

Oh well... Perhaps it'll be less noticeable with the keycaps on.

Haven't assembled it yet, i'm stuck on trying to figure out why my space is sticky with a space bar on.
My current suspect is the cherry stab wire - it's likely bent a little too wide, so one of the stabs is at an angle instead of completely straight.

I have that issue on my RS96 but it's all soldered and the issue didn't start in the beginning, it seems to be ok for the time being but I'm definitely going to open it up and see what mischief is going on whenever I'm bored.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1404 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:37:08 »
Yeah, white LEDs here.
I notice it at nearly full brightness.

Oh well... Perhaps it'll be less noticeable with the keycaps on.

Haven't assembled it yet, i'm stuck on trying to figure out why my space is sticky with a space bar on.
My current suspect is the cherry stab wire - it's likely bent a little too wide, so one of the stabs is at an angle instead of completely straight.

Also when building it make sure to align your pcb so that it's straight with the top case when everything is tightened. I noticed that my space was slow to return and just had to do what i described. I think it's more prevalent on wkl boards because my brothers winkey board didn't have that issue.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1405 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:39:15 »
Yup, noticed that too when test-fitting it.
I think i'll mount some keycaps on, then align, test the edge keys, adjust and only then tighten to the top case.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1406 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:58:10 »
Little update in case someone encounters the same issue...

It seems the space stab holes are mounted ever so slightly too close to each other, or, the wire i've got was ever so slightly too long (as i've correctly guessed initially). This then causes the stab stems to rub against the edge of the stabilizer housing (the wire displaces the bottom too far to the left on the left stab and too far to the right on the right stab - since the stems can pivot around the wire, this forces the stems to rub against the right and left wall of the housing respectively).

While i was troubleshooting, i first tried lightly shaving off some material off the moving part of the stabilizer under the stem with an emery file. Bad idea. It leaves a sandpapery feel to the stabilizer that i had to smooth with sandpaper, and it all amounted to nothing.

What did help was removing the stab wire (you don't need to remove the plate or desolder anything to do that, it's accessible through the hole and on the side - if you need to do this and can't figure it out, let me know, i'll help), take the pliers and lightly bend the short segments *inwards*, like this:

/_______\

And by *lightly*, i mean really lightly. It's a trial and error thing. You bend it a little, put it back, mount a space bar cap, try it, remove it, remove the wire, bend a little more etc. until it's just right.

I'm getting 0 stickyness now and the sandpaper texture is irrelevant, as the stem isn't chafing the edge of the housing anymore anyways.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1407 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 16:01:43 »
Little update in case someone encounters the same issue...

It seems the space stab holes are mounted ever so slightly too close to each other, or, the wire i've got was ever so slightly too long (as i've correctly guessed initially). This then causes the stab stems to rub against the edge of the stabilizer housing (the wire displaces the bottom too far to the left on the left stab and too far to the right on the right stab - since the stems can pivot around the wire, this forces the stems to rub against the right and left wall of the housing respectively).

While i was troubleshooting, i first tried lightly shaving off some material off the moving part of the stabilizer under the stem with an emery file. Bad idea. It leaves a sandpapery feel to the stabilizer that i had to smooth with sandpaper, and it all amounted to nothing.

What did help was removing the stab wire (you don't need to remove the plate or desolder anything to do that, it's accessible through the hole and on the side - if you need to do this and can't figure it out, let me know, i'll help), take the pliers and lightly bend the short segments *inwards*, like this:

/_______\

And by *lightly*, i mean really lightly. It's a trial and error thing. You bend it a little, put it back, mount a space bar cap, try it, remove it, remove the wire, bend a little more etc. until it's just right.

I'm getting 0 stickyness now and the sandpaper texture is irrelevant, as the stem isn't chafing the edge of the housing anymore anyways.
Meant to ask about this last night, I'm glad you said something before I forgot.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1408 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 20:51:33 »
Dammit, right after i've assembled everything, i've realized the right side of the spacebar is still sticky a bit :(

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1409 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 21:35:25 »
What's the FLIP key on this keyboard?

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1410 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 21:37:31 »
What's the FLIP key on this keyboard?

Backspace
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1411 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 22:02:48 »
Backspace

Of course, the only one i didn't try.
Thanks!

I can't figure out the LED controls for the life of me. LED Down seems to turn the LEDs off. LED Up seems to turn them on. No idea how to change the brightness. Oh well, something to play with tomorrow, it's 5am already.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1412 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 22:05:12 »
Backspace

Of course, the only one i didn't try.
Thanks!

I can't figure out the LED controls for the life of me. LED Down seems to turn the LEDs off. LED Up seems to turn them on. No idea how to change the brightness. Oh well, something to play with tomorrow, it's 5am already.

Pretty sure you need to press LED Control first and then the brightness settings will work.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1413 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 22:23:26 »
So I'm just planning ahead. How many of you add a heavier spring to your space bar? I have 78g gold springs I plan to put on the my space bar due to having a sticky space bar on my GON. good idea or bad?

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1414 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 23:31:22 »
So I'm just planning ahead. How many of you add a heavier spring to your space bar? I have 78g gold springs I plan to put on the my space bar due to having a sticky space bar on my GON. good idea or bad?

I'm putting a Cherry Tactile Gray on my spacebar, with 62g lubed Ergo Clears on everything else. I like a bit of weight behind the spacebar, although I will also put an o-ring on it to quiet it down a little bit. I made the mistake of putting a Cherry White on my current B.87 with Zealios and it makes a huge clatter.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1415 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 23:33:56 »
So I'm just planning ahead. How many of you add a heavier spring to your space bar? I have 78g gold springs I plan to put on the my space bar due to having a sticky space bar on my GON. good idea or bad?

I'm putting a Cherry Tactile Gray on my spacebar

+1

I got that in my spacebar for my Jane and love it. However I went full Zealios in my Orion because having all Purple stems and one Gray one would look weird af in my opinion.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1416 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 23:38:39 »
So I'm just planning ahead. How many of you add a heavier spring to your space bar? I have 78g gold springs I plan to put on the my space bar due to having a sticky space bar on my GON. good idea or bad?

I'm putting a Cherry Tactile Gray on my spacebar

+1

I got that in my spacebar for my Jane and love it. However I went full Zealios in my Orion because having all Purple stems and one Gray one would look weird af in my opinion.

My Zealio & Tactile Gray Jane is superior. Fite mii.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1417 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 23:41:50 »
So would 78g on zealios be good or bad? should I buy a grey switch?

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1418 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 23:56:00 »
So I'm just planning ahead. How many of you add a heavier spring to your space bar? I have 78g gold springs I plan to put on the my space bar due to having a sticky space bar on my GON. good idea or bad?

I'm putting a Cherry Tactile Gray on my spacebar

+1

I got that in my spacebar for my Jane and love it. However I went full Zealios in my Orion because having all Purple stems and one Gray one would look weird af in my opinion.

My Zealio & Tactile Gray Jane is superior. Fite mii.

It's a quality board so I'll let it slide. :p

So would 78g on zealios be good or bad? should I buy a grey switch?

I'd try the 78g in the Zealios. Tactile Grey feels very similar to a clear imo.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1419 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 04:44:01 »
Looks like I have to let mine go. Will be putting up a classifieds thread, but thought I'd post here first. I've only opened the package to check for damages, there were none.

E: On hold. Multiple deals fell through. Still available. Keeping it.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1420 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 09:19:31 »
Looks like I have to let mine go. Will be putting up a classifieds thread, but thought I'd post here first. I've only opened the package to check for damages, there were none.

Pmd!

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1421 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 09:25:48 »
Looks like I have to let mine go. Will be putting up a classifieds thread, but thought I'd post here first. I've only opened the package to check for damages, there were none.

Pmd!

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1422 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 09:32:55 »
Looks like I have to let mine go. Will be putting up a classifieds thread, but thought I'd post here first. I've only opened the package to check for damages, there were none.

PM'd!

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1423 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 10:25:44 »
I'd strongly suggest a heavier spring on the spacebar.
It's way too mushy and sticky.

I'm on 62g clears.

It's so bad i'm actually considering putting a blue on the space bar as a temporary measure.

Other large keys are iffy too, but tolerable for modifiers.
Return is a bit too mushy for my tastes as well, if i go the replacement spring route, i'll probably swap that too.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1424 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 17:08:22 »
Pretty sure you need to press LED Control first and then the brightness settings will work.

How do you "commit" the change?
Also, for some reason, now the changes made to the underglow LED pattern in 02D KeyMapper won't apply to the board.

I thought it was just me being very tired last night, but apparently, i'm way too daft to figure this thing out  :'(

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1425 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 18:09:57 »
If anyone is interested in grabbing the Alps Plate/PCB, my order just arrived and I don't need it. Please let me know if you're interested!

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1426 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:24:40 »
Pretty sure you need to press LED Control first and then the brightness settings will work.

How do you "commit" the change?

Okay, so hitting LED Control again commits.
But if you hit LED Control AGAIN, it shuts down all the LED sections. And you basically need to turn them on again then set the brightness. Very bizarre behaviour. I've also managed to get the underglow LEDs to flicker really really badly somehow, no idea how. I don't mean breathe slowly, nor pulsate, but really flicker at like 20Hz or so. Hitting LED Control and RGB Mode a few times fixed it. Couldn't replicate, i think it's a weird bug.

Annnyways, i think i've finally cured my space bar:


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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1427 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:26:49 »
Pretty sure you need to press LED Control first and then the brightness settings will work.

How do you "commit" the change?

Okay, so hitting LED Control again commits.
But if you hit LED Control AGAIN, it shuts down all the LED sections. And you basically need to turn them on again then set the brightness. Very bizarre behaviour. I've also managed to get the underglow LEDs to flicker really really badly somehow, no idea how. I don't mean breathe slowly, nor pulsate, but really flicker at like 20Hz or so. Hitting LED Control and RGB Mode a few times fixed it. Couldn't replicate, i think it's a weird bug.

Annnyways, i think i've finally cured my space bar:


SA on orion  :'(

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1428 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:51:23 »
They see me SAin, they hatin.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1429 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:52:45 »
This stab issue is legit bumming me out

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1430 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:58:01 »
I had to do three things before it got better:

1) bend the wire as i've described (/____\)
2) lube the stabs - both where the wire is anchored and the stab stems
3) insert and remove the wire like a dozen times before the anchors loosened a bit

Now it's fine. Activation force is still a bit too low for such a big key, but at least there's 0 sticking now.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1431 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 20:00:47 »
I'm otw to a casino to see if I can win two jackpots in 5 days. I'll start bending again when I get back.

What'd you use as lubricant? I've got graphite on hand but no liquids

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1432 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 20:04:48 »
Krytox grease.

Actually was a 50/50 oil/grease mix, but the oil ran away from the bottle. No idea where.
Now it's grease.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1433 on: Wed, 06 January 2016, 22:09:33 »
PS I finally got my package and it seems I was sent a silver winkeyless instead of the black winkey top that I wanted. If anyone is interested in a trade, I mainly care that it is black and don't mind if it is winkeyless still.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1434 on: Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:07:09 »
Gotten the hang of the LED controls.
But the firmware is pretty buggy.

Some combinations of backlight and underglow brightnesses causes either of those to flicker badly (i assume due to some kind of temporal aliasing effect in the interrupt loop that controls the LEDs). Also, sometimes, in use, some sections of backlight temporarily fade down in brightness, then come back to the actual preset brightness (and no, that's not an effect, this is with constant on).

Now i'm trying to figure out the debounce settings, as i sometimes get double spaces.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1435 on: Thu, 07 January 2016, 16:50:15 »
A few gratuitous shots.
Yes, it's Granite. Yes, it's DSA. I don't like cylindrical profile. Get over it :P








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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1436 on: Thu, 07 January 2016, 18:15:31 »
A few gratuitous shots.
Yes, it's Granite. Yes, it's DSA. I don't like cylindrical profile. Get over it :P

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It turned out just marvellous, congratz!

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1437 on: Thu, 07 January 2016, 23:19:31 »
Just opened my package it's... it's beautiful. I had some time today to put together the rest of my MX clears so hopefully I'll have it done by this weekend! One thing I didn't find, how were the indicator LEDs supposed to work? I don't have anything soldered in the holes and I don't see any bags containing LEDs. Were we supposed to provide our own LEDs?


also what exactly do the five LEDs indicate? I need to catch up on how this keyboard works.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1438 on: Thu, 07 January 2016, 23:43:42 »
Just opened my package it's... it's beautiful. I had some time today to put together the rest of my MX clears so hopefully I'll have it done by this weekend! One thing I didn't find, how were the indicator LEDs supposed to work? I don't have anything soldered in the holes and I don't see any bags containing LEDs. Were we supposed to provide our own LEDs?


also what exactly do the five LEDs indicate? I need to catch up on how this keyboard works.

You're suppose to provide your own LEDs for the indicators. The five indicators above your arrow keys are for your layers with the fifth being the temp layer. The three indicators next to your ESC key are for your Scroll, Num, and Caps Lock.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1439 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 00:37:30 »
Just opened my package it's... it's beautiful. I had some time today to put together the rest of my MX clears so hopefully I'll have it done by this weekend! One thing I didn't find, how were the indicator LEDs supposed to work? I don't have anything soldered in the holes and I don't see any bags containing LEDs. Were we supposed to provide our own LEDs?


also what exactly do the five LEDs indicate? I need to catch up on how this keyboard works.

You're suppose to provide your own LEDs for the indicators. The five indicators above your arrow keys are for your layers with the fifth being the temp layer. The three indicators next to your ESC key are for your Scroll, Num, and Caps Lock.

Oh, ok. Didn't expect that but it's not a problem. What LED colors are people using for these? There shouldn't be an issue mixing and matching high vs lower current LEDs, right? (e.g. white LEDs on switches and red/blue/green/orange LEDs on indicators).

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1440 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:04:12 »
A few gratuitous shots.
Yes, it's Granite. Yes, it's DSA. I don't like cylindrical profile. Get over it

Show Image


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Show Image


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Looks awsome! I was also thinking of using my Granite set but with black top and bottom aluminium housing. Unfortunately my EU soldering service guy is not responding to PM. Seems I have to wait even longer before I can start using this beauty :(

Can anyone recommend other EU based soldering service in case he never replies?

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1441 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 13:49:29 »
Just opened my package it's... it's beautiful. I had some time today to put together the rest of my MX clears so hopefully I'll have it done by this weekend! One thing I didn't find, how were the indicator LEDs supposed to work? I don't have anything soldered in the holes and I don't see any bags containing LEDs. Were we supposed to provide our own LEDs?


also what exactly do the five LEDs indicate? I need to catch up on how this keyboard works.

You're suppose to provide your own LEDs for the indicators. The five indicators above your arrow keys are for your layers with the fifth being the temp layer. The three indicators next to your ESC key are for your Scroll, Num, and Caps Lock.

Oh, ok. Didn't expect that but it's not a problem. What LED colors are people using for these? There shouldn't be an issue mixing and matching high vs lower current LEDs, right? (e.g. white LEDs on switches and red/blue/green/orange LEDs on indicators).

There's no issue. They're driven separately.
I'm using yellow for first layer, white for upper three layers, red for the last LED.

BTW, the last LED isn't quite for temporary layer.
It generally indicates any "non-standard" mode + settings changes.

For mode changes, it tends to blink once when entering and multiple times when exiting.

Temporary layer does that, as well as LED control mode and various LED ops.
Macro recording too. Control mode (the mode in which you can access the KB settings) lights it constantly until you exit Control mode.

Edit: Oh, also, the first 4 LEDs also indicate FN layers, but in an "inverse" fashion from regular layers. E.g. FN1 = off on on on; FN2 = on off on on, FN3 = on on off on.
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1442 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 13:51:25 »
It turned out just marvellous, congratz!

Looks awsome! I was also thinking of using my Granite set but with black top and bottom aluminium housing. Unfortunately my EU soldering service guy is not responding to PM. Seems I have to wait even longer before I can start using this beauty :(

Thanks, guys.
I think granite DSA matches silver pretty nicely. Also, i think Dolch might be interesting on blue-gray or black.

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1443 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 13:55:03 »
All classy and crap:


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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1444 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 14:20:14 »
All classy and crap:

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Oh boy :eek:

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1445 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 14:48:35 »
My new favourite board:)



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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1446 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 14:56:27 »
my photography is garbage

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« Reply #1447 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:04:44 »
my photography is garbage

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Your board is great though  ;)

Also your photography is fine. One day I'll also get my Hyperfuse...    :p

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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1448 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:13:22 »
Looks awesome, best Orion so far to me!

Anyone knows if there's a way to control the five LEDs on the right software side?
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Re: Orion V2 Kustom TKL Group Buy
« Reply #1449 on: Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:22:17 »
Looks awesome, best Orion so far to me!

Anyone knows if there's a way to control the five LEDs on the right software side?

They're indicators, nothing really that you can control about them.
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