[IC] GMK Classic Black on White (New Kitting)

[upas]

New Kitting below, please fill out the form again to provide new feedback for the new kits!

GMK Classic Black on White
Hey guys - Upas here from CannonKeys with a new set idea for you all.


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GMK Classic Black on White is meant to capture a more classic look and feel for a black on white set. It features Text+Icon mods, R5 bottom row, and CR on WS1. (Note - I know CR on WS1 is not traditionally a classic colorway, as most classic boards are beige. That's fine, this is our classic take on Black on White)

The colors are the same as GMK Minimal (not GMK Bleached), but the set differs significantly. Its purpose isn’t to achieve a minimal look - but instead to harken back to classic Cherry boards in the G80 and G81 series line, in the BoW colorway. The R5 bottom row is taller than R4 and provides a different typing feel, and was originally included on many older WKL Cherry boards.

The goal here is to keep the base kit priced around $110 (price is based on comparison with more recent GMK quotes and also the more expensive R5 keys), with the numpad and spacebar kits being no more than $35. If we can’t hit those prices given GMK quotes, we’ll likely run a more traditional base kit that includes numpad with a higher price point.

When kitting, I kept in mind that GMK Minimal has already run with the same colors. I wanted to prioritize keys that are net-new to this set (Text + Icon mods). This means NordeUK probably won’t happen.

These kits are mostly finalized - I am open to more feedback that can change them, but we've gone through a round of iteration already. Only glaring errors and omissions will be fixed.



Here are the new kits:
The True Classic

This kit includes R5 and Text + Icon mods, making it the True Classic.
Featuring wide compatibility for many layouts, this fits most 60, 65, 75, TKL, 1800, and Fullsize boards. (And physical ISO)
This is aimed for enthusiasts who want wide compatibility in a single kit - the price target is $119.99

The Limited

This is a limited base kit, featuring compatibility for most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.
The set has R4 bottom row to keep the price down. Those just starting out in the hobby may find this more appealing.
The price target here is $99.99 or less


40s

The 40s kit is changed considerably from the last time, and now should include everything necessary for most 40 and ortho boards.
Legends are text + icon where possible, and features R4 bottom row, as feedback seemed to indicate 40s users don't like R5 that much!
This is meant to be paired with The Limited for a sub-$135 base + 40s pair. Price target is $33.99

Spacebar

A spacebar kit is available with 2x 3U space keys, as well as Alice compatibility/Split space compatibility.
This can be paired with either the True Classic or Limited Kit. Price target is $19.99

Target prices are subject to change. These prices use aggressive MOQs, but we think we can hit them given community interest. CannonKeys will likely buy a good share of extras as well to help achieve these prices.


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There is no ETA for this set atm, as we want to gather feedback, get some prices, and improve kitting before locking in a solid date, but it will run on CannonKeys.

Much thanks to:
Lightning for providing context on R5 bottom row
Abec13 for board renders
sGhost for kit renders
40s Discord for your helpful keyset design pins

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Old Kits for Reference

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Base

Fits most 60, 65, 75, TKL boards.

Numpad

The keys you’ll need to build a Fullsize or 1800 board

Extension

F13, Extra Shift Keys, Extra R5 1U Keys, HHKB keys, Physical ISO, R3/R4 PgUp PgDn, Classic Windows 95 keys (Not 100% sure on these ones)

Spacebar

A spacebar kit is available with 2x 3U space keys, as well as Alice compatibility/Split space compatibility.

40s

I tried my best on the 40s kit, but realize it may be lacking. I would appreciate extra feedback in this area.

[Agilr]

Nice
Okay

Edit: Just realised it's R5

[of_sam]

Always good to see sets being done in non-cursed mods.

[Qarmaa]

POG

[kk73715]

GLWIC

[Bunn3y]

Easy buy.

[qats]

Oh?

[P103]

Nice, can't wait to get this set in 2023.

[rikercd]

Now this is the new and exciting content I come here for

[Zeelobby]

Yup. Let's go

[ThePanduuh]

This is great. I would like to see base kit match WOB, as that’s what makes it so nice for the price. A classic set, that fits on many sizes of boards, for $110. It’s marvelous.

[7empest]

Nice! Icon/Text mods with R5? I am def in on this

[sup3r170va]

I hope u can move the F13, R3 pg up and R4 pg dn key to the base.
In any case I’m in

[ttom]

Thanks upas, this is very good

Nice
Okay

Edit: Just realised it's R5

L

[war40ck]

Any renders available with winkey?

[whirlwind]

Will this run only on Cannon Keys?

[upas]

This is great. I would like to see base kit match WOB, as that’s what makes it so nice for the price. A classic set, that fits on many sizes of boards, for $110. It’s marvelous.

It would be difficult to do that and also have R5, I think.
We'll price it out both ways and see. Definitely want to deliver value here.

[fatalruin]

Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

[upas]

Will this run only on Cannon Keys?

No, we will add other vendors but we want to iterate on kitting before looping in other vendors.

[iinko_mk]

the kitting is a bit interesting for GMK to say the least. Could f13 be put in the base kit? My reasoning is that  f13 is most commonly found on 75% and tkls, and since the base kit is a tkl base kit, i think it should be put in so people don't have to buy that extra extensions kit. Also with the nk87 shipping sometime late this year, i think f13 will have a boom in popularity.

[Chippy]

That’s the juice baby

[productkun]

What's the MOQ gonna be to price this around 110 USD?

Separate Modifiers would have been nice for people with Minimal tho.

[iinko_mk]

Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

agreed! This is a good idea

[ThePanduuh]

Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

This was what I was thinking. R5 has seen a resurgence in popularity, and yes this set wouldn’t really be complete without it given the classic theme, but a dedicated R5 kit would allow owners of other WS1 based sets to be able to purchase just the bottom row without getting the whole base.

[soloplayer]

my dream keyset!! definitely in
btw i suggest that you move F13 to base kit
and ne R0 avail?

[gilbert]

ISO in the extension kit monkaS

[Visionaire]

Dig it. Would prefer to not have R5.

[OtherAndrew]

i dig it
how about more classic legends ("Page Down," "Num Lock," etc.)?

[Bub]

ISO in the extension kit monkaS

I agree if it fits the pricing restrictions that the extension kit should be reconsidered. From my understanding ALT GR legend compatibility, as well as HHKB legend compatibility, isn't that important to users of those boards. However, terminal ISO is used pretty often. I don't think the windows key in the kit adds a lot of value, and 2u shift most likely could be removed altogether.

Just my 2 cents! As someone who will never use ISO, i don't mind paying ~$5 more for a base kit for those in the community that do.

[G14D]

Minimal clone, outstanding move, pog

[KingXF]

Ah yes, just another BoW set that's supposedly "different from the others." Nice try and all but it just does not appeal to me due to the lack of effort.

[upas]

i dig it
how about more classic legends ("Page Down," "Num Lock," etc.)?

yes, thank you for this feedback!
This was a miss on our end.

PgUp and PgDn will stay as most G80-3000 photos have those legends.
Num Lock will be revised to Num Lock from just Num

[rokon07]

Im pretty sure if it was someone else running IC on this set other than cannonkeys; they would get roasted.

[darkcl]

[hali]

meh, num lock legend is just num and numpad enter has an icon? doesnt feel especially authentic

[upas]

meh, num lock legend is just num and numpad enter has an icon? doesnt feel especially authentic

Num Lock legend will be updated to Num Lock
We went back and forth on Numpad Enter. We do want to offer something different, but the "Enter" on numpad would be more classic.
Had to make a call here - maybe it was the wrong one.

[mr_fro2000]

Noice.

[Kokaloo]

I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

[Zeelobby]

Ah yes, just another BoW set that's supposedly "different from the others." Nice try and all but it just does not appeal to me due to the lack of effort.

Lulwut? It's BoW with icon + text mods. It's a classic (hence the name). But hasn't been ran since Stormtrooper I think. I'd much prefer buying at GB then finding that impossibly hard to find set...

[upas]

I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

[Zeelobby]

Im pretty sure if it was someone else running IC on this set other than cannonkeys; they would get roasted.

Why? BoW with icon+text hasn't ran in forever. It's about time.

[Afresh]

I can't wait when we start doing mods child kits 

[Kokaloo]

I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

[upas]

I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

By my count extensions kit is 11 keys more than EU-ISO? There are the 4 ISO and 1 Alt Gr key. The rest aren't involved.

But anyways - I guess the difference is - the child kits here are more enthusiast focused imo. For many newcomers to the hobby, an extra $20 could absolutely make a difference. The base kit here will fit most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.

You need space for alice, extensions for ISO and more niche layouts (660, 60% with arrows, F13), 40s for 40, Numpad for fullsize.

Pricing is also very provisional. I'd love to drive the price down here, but I'd rather be conservative with my estimates until I know for sure what is possible.

[Bub]

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

This is an interesting discussion. I tend to agree with Kokaloo, but I could think of exceptions to this. I.E. with Drop's WoB set which restocks a few times a year. I would think a smaller base kit would be nice knowing that in the future I could 100% get addon kits should I want them. However, if the idea here is a onetime run, I would tend to lean more toward a more inclusive base kit.

[Kokaloo]

I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

By my count extensions kit is 11 keys more than EU-ISO? There are the 4 ISO and 1 Alt Gr key. The rest aren't involved.

But anyways - I guess the difference is - the child kits here are more enthusiast focused imo. For many newcomers to the hobby, an extra $20 could absolutely make a difference. The base kit here will fit most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.

You need space for alice, extensions for ISO and more niche layouts (660, 60% with arrows, F13), 40s for 40, Numpad for fullsize.

Pricing is also very provisional. I'd love to drive the price down here, but I'd rather be conservative with my estimates until I know for sure what is possible.

It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

[JKKEEBS]

 nice

[SE7EN_ate_NINE]

Finally, about time someone did the basic Icon + Text mod CR on WS1. As for R5, I'd vote leave that an optional set and not stick it in the base kit. I'll gladly buy an R5 set extra on the side, but don't want to be forced into it and only it as the only option. Making R5 an optional set also opens up sales of it to owners of Minimal that just want to try out R5 and don't want a whole new BoW set.

[AlfredK]

Classic. Easy buy for me!

[Bub]

It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

i WOULD love to know more about this arrangement between drop and GMK that allows for the pricing of drop's wob to be so low. i wonder if there is like an annual moq or something. additionally, it would be nice to see more popular sets ran in a similar fashion... bow is the first that comes to mind

[Pylon]

It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

i WOULD love to know more about this arrangement between drop and GMK that allows for the pricing of drop's wob to be so low. i wonder if there is like an annual moq or something. additionally, it would be nice to see more popular sets ran in a similar fashion... bow is the first that comes to mind

Taro R2 hit $110 base with a larger base kit than Drop GMK WoB (148 keys vs 140), with numpad, custom colors (4 colors total instead of 2), 2 sets of accent Esc and ANSI Enters,  and ISO support in base. I don't think Drop's deal is that special.

[Tyson]

GMK BoW with text + icon mods and R5, I'm in!

[Kokaloo]

It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

i WOULD love to know more about this arrangement between drop and GMK that allows for the pricing of drop's wob to be so low. i wonder if there is like an annual moq or something. additionally, it would be nice to see more popular sets ran in a similar fashion... bow is the first that comes to mind

Taro R2 hit $110 base with a larger base kit than Drop GMK WoB (148 keys vs 140), with numpad, custom colors (4 colors total instead of 2), 2 sets of accent Esc and ANSI Enters,  and ISO support in base. I don't think Drop's deal is that special.

This. Keep in mind that MOQ plays only the first factor on the deciding MSRP vendors decide to publish. I highly doubt it's impossible to get a set made using stock colors with that base kit at 1000 moq for similar pricing, even for smaller vendors. For me it's a no brainer to expect simple sets to have this base kit, it's much more consumer friendly as a push for a "staple keyset" for both enthusiasts and newcomers.

[unknownh]

Minimal clone, outstanding move, pog

It's white on black, what do you expect? Sure it shares the same colour of CR + WS1 but it has icon + text mods which sets it apart from Minimal. Mito's GMK Hennessy by your standard is also a minimal clone. If anything this is a GMK Barebones stormtrooper clone (came before minimal btw) with a slightly different base colour (CP vs WS1) and kitting.

[UGunaLOSE]

To mirror the sentiment of others, for a set with an iconic colorway, and a staple in the collection of many a collector, the price for base is, imho, way too high. I'm not big on understanding the price hike that is included as a result of R5 so please forgive me if I missed something. Last I recall this set, with classic modifiers and such, was run as GMK Stormtrooper (proud owner of) and included more keys in the base at a cheaper price if I'm not mistaken ($100 not including shipping). I can see how folks may find it hard to rationalize purchasing the set as a result.

Either way, GLWIC

[Zeelobby]

I mean is it fair to compare the price to that of GMK Stormtrooper which ran back in 2016? GMK prices have clearly gone up since then (just pricing of things in general).

[antx1701]

You had me until R5. I want a BOW set so I can mix and match novelties, but R5 bottom row kills compatibility. No thanks, glwic.

[UGunaLOSE]

I mean is it fair to compare the price to that of GMK Stormtrooper which ran back in 2016? GMK prices have clearly gone up since then (just pricing of things in general).

Perhaps that is true. But then looking at a set like GMK WHITE-ON-BLACK KATAKANA that has ISO, numpad, alice support etc., which had an original GB price of $120 USD (before it's current price of 145 USD), does show that it is possible to have a larger base kit for a cheaper price. Just food for thought.

[Amuaisi]

I like this lots.

How much more expensive would it be to add regular bottom row 5 keys to the extension kit?

[ephemeral25]

R5 but 0 compat in the basekit ?

ok.

[gilbert]

The current kitting cucks us international people so hard. Being forced to buy 2 kits just for basic layout support is a joke. Those 2 kits are easily gonna cost more than 130usd together. For that price i could get great kitted GMK sets with ISO and numpad. Consider a real international kit if you are going to remove us from base.
Not a great look.

[Prelim]

Icon mods and take my money!

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[Zeelobby]

I mean is it fair to compare the price to that of GMK Stormtrooper which ran back in 2016? GMK prices have clearly gone up since then (just pricing of things in general).

Perhaps that is true. But then looking at a set like GMK WHITE-ON-BLACK KATAKANA that has ISO, numpad, alice support etc., which had an original GB price of $120 USD (before it's current price of 145 USD), does show that it is possible to have a larger base kit for a cheaper price. Just food for thought.

True. But like. Drop is buying thousands. MOQ has gotta be at a different level. Designers have said 15% price increases from just last year. And the pricing seems inconsistent if anything. I just think direct comparisons can be unrealistic. Plain BoW with R5 might simply not sell close to a moq necessary to get that price point. Especially since drop leaves things in GB for an extended period of time. I don't know. Just see pricing complaints a lot on every set, but no real concrete explanation of why. Just the demand to do better, gain leverage over GMK or something XD.

[hkhawk]

I personally would prefer a base kit like Serika 2 or Striker 2 offered with numpad and ISO for $110 (in recent months) and R5 as an add on option

[Altephor]

I think prices would be better if kits are combined. Base + numpad is being estimated at $145 and it is still relatively small.
If my counting is correct base + numpad is 133 keys with 26 of them being r5. Red alert just ran with a more supportive 149 base kit with 26 r5 keys for $135 with a 500 MOQ.
Considering both sets are using stock GMK colors I don't see why this should be more expensive with less support.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

while the numpad and TKL crowds battle it out, and you decide whether the 10000 kits of minimal 1, minimal 2, and hennessey have saturated the WS1 market....

how about a Rama B and a W like minimal had X and O?

Pros: 
-people like metal caps
-reverse profile the W is an M
-you can turn print scroll lock pause keys to "BBW" which would be funny

Cons:
-none

[lush_bunny]

Goddammit. I like it, GLWIC. RIP my wallet.

[psxndc]

40s kit: I appreciate the option for a 1u R3 that isn’t tab or ESC, but super is an odd choice as I understood that to be basically the same as a Windows key. But it’s not tab or ESC, so I won’t complain about what you put there (but if you want to be consistent with other 40s offerings, you’ll have both r2 and R3 1u tab and ESC as well)

But you need a 1u R4 enter key. Unless “send” is supposed to fill that role.

[8six753o9]

I'm a little sad about the kitting.  I would prefer an all-in-one kit like my April Fools joke from last year and add a R5 addon kit that people can buy and use with their Minimal set.  Now I wish I had just made that into a reality now  .

[huey]

I do not understand this kitting at all. Anyone with a half decent understanding of kitting can tell you that this is a truly awful value proposition(per key) for absolutely everyone involved. There are base kits that are $10-$15 more expensive than the estimated $110 price tag that make this look like a McDonalds toy. We all know this can comfortably be MOQ-ed at 1000, and no one would raise an eyebrow.

It's going to disappointing when the now not-so new-comer who bought this set buys their 3rd or 10th board, only to realise that their BoW set they want to use can't support their board, because it dared to be anything bigger than TKL. Meaning that they would have to search user markets and spend even more than the wild GB prices.

On the topic of new-comers; I don't believe it's the price of a GMK set that is really a deterrent for them purchasing. I whole-hearted believe it's now absurd wait times that this community has put upon itself because it has no self-control. Sure, some people will be priced out and that is a shame. But I can guarantee when they find out they'll be waiting a year or more(I understand this could become better), they will then decide it's not worth purchasing.

As for the ISO kitting. No ISO user wants to pay $140+ for that base and basic ISO. I'd rather have some correct legending than a preferred shaped enter key. Put it in base or remove it IMO.

[Puddsy]

yeah i'll probably buy this

[Cubic // esc lab]

As a diehard GMK Minimal fan, always down for more WS1.

That said, the color temperature of your renders of the WS1 color is a bit varied. In some renders it looks like WS2 (cool white of Bleached), in some it looks gray (in particular the kitting illustrations), and in some renders it looks like WS1.

I think those inconsistencies could be fixed so it's less confusing for the viewer.

GLWIC, I'm in this for sure.

[L4ll1g470r]

Obligatory ”no norde, no buy” comment. Glwic.

[LaserCrafter]

now i know i shouldn't have hopped on muted 2

[CustomerSupport]

But anyways - I guess the difference is - the child kits here are more enthusiast focused imo.

As a Mac user who now favors Tsangan/7u bottom row and HHKB layouts, the Extensions kit is disappointing because I'm buying the entire kit for really 3 keys, +/- the Windows keys. I don't imagine Mac users who like having OS-accurate Super/(modifier) keys are that much of a niche, but it's just a hunch.

Anyways, I have to echo the concerns of others on the kitting. $110 is a nice price, yes, but GMK Seafarer is an example of great kitting that has both "enthusiast" and beginner support, in both legends and key sizes.

Keep in mind, CBoW here has 2 stock colors, meanwhile Seafarer has 1 stock, 1 custom color; yet for $15 more, you get ISO, numpad, 1.5u Super/1u Alt, F13, and a B++ in Base.

[okidna]

The goal here is to keep the base kit priced around $110 (price is based on comparison with more recent GMK quotes and also the more expensive R5 keys)

I don't think the "R5 = more expensive" make sense at all, because just a couple days ago Red Alert, another R5 only keyset, (barely) managed to pull through GB period and the base kit price is just $135.
Only $25 more than this set projected price, with MUCH MORE compatibilities and options, oh and also a set of nice red accent keys.

[chung]

 

[break]

The goal here is to keep the base kit priced around $110 (price is based on comparison with more recent GMK quotes and also the more expensive R5 keys)

I don't think the "R5 = more expensive" make sense at all, because just a couple days ago Red Alert, another R5 only keyset, (barely) managed to pull through GB period and the base kit price is just $135.
Only $25 more than this set projected price, with MUCH MORE compatibilities and options, oh and also a set of nice red accent keys.

It's funny to hear you cite Red Alert, because I've been killed by folks on the pricing and kitting for Red Alert.

As I've said before, consider two sets: Birch and Red Alert. The former has three custom RAL colors and R4, the latter uses three stock colors and R5. At the same 500 MOQ with the same number of keys, both sets GBed for $135 - the same price.

If you compare the base kit in CBoW to that of Minimal, the primary difference is R5. Colors are otherwise exactly the same, differences in modifier legend costs are negligible, kits are same within a few keys. So: the price difference is solely due to R5. It really, really matters.

For folks citing Drop's Katakana WoB, or GMK Seafarer - those sets do not have R5. The community has a blind spot to GMK's R5 pricing right now, and it reappears any time folks evaluate two GMK sets with different bottom rows.

[Puddsy]

gmk's pricing, as well as the margins businesses are willing to run on, tend to be different depending on the week, day, or month you ask about them. if you want the set, buy it, if you don't, don't buy it.

don't overthink it

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gmk's pricing, as well as the margins businesses are willing to run on, tend to be different depending on the week, day, or month you ask about them. if you want the set, buy it, if you don't, don't buy it.

don't overthink it

Yeah seriously. Pick this up, provide constructive feedback, fight for GMK Minimal at extras / aftermarket price, go write posts on Drop forums about other sets that are not BoW. Whatever - find your zen!

End of the day, get it or not, the last time something like this was available was 2016 with GMK Stormtrooper. r/MechanicalKeyboards membership has increased over 900% since then.



So it's pretty damn nice that this cornerstone set is available again after a bunch of new people have started collecting things.

[Ensaum]

OMG yes, I've wanted this set for years. Please consider combing kits to beef up the base kit and at least offering a row 4 add on kit.

[HappyB0T]

It took my second read to get what you are going for. It totally makes sense. It is different enough warrant another IC. People who have maxed out their Beige Classic Retro keycap selection want something more edgy.
Curious if you considered the fancier keycaps that you see in beige sets like shine through.

[adsfqwer]

This looks good. I understand the concept OP is going for, but I still think it would be better for the base kit to come with R1 - R4 and match the Drop WoB in terms of compatibility. Then offer R0 and R5 as optional kits and you still have a unique run but with potentially many more buyers of the base kit than you would otherwise.

[jpg2401]

The goal here is to keep the base kit priced around $110 (price is based on comparison with more recent GMK quotes and also the more expensive R5 keys)

I don't think the "R5 = more expensive" make sense at all, because just a couple days ago Red Alert, another R5 only keyset, (barely) managed to pull through GB period and the base kit price is just $135.
Only $25 more than this set projected price, with MUCH MORE compatibilities and options, oh and also a set of nice red accent keys.

It's funny to hear you cite Red Alert, because I've been killed by folks on the pricing and kitting for Red Alert.

As I've said before, consider two sets: Birch and Red Alert. The former has three custom RAL colors and R4, the latter uses three stock colors and R5. At the same 500 MOQ with the same number of keys, both sets GBed for $135 - the same price.

If you compare the base kit in CBoW to that of Minimal, the primary difference is R5. Colors are otherwise exactly the same, differences in modifier legend costs are negligible, kits are same within a few keys. So: the price difference is solely due to R5. It really, really matters.

For folks citing Drop's Katakana WoB, or GMK Seafarer - those sets do not have R5. The community has a blind spot to GMK's R5 pricing right now, and it reappears any time folks evaluate two GMK sets with different bottom rows.

It is interesting to hear insight from someone who dealt with these things. Thank you!

[upas]

Hey guys,

I've gone through most of the feedback and I've revised the kitting.
I'm hoping my solution can make most people happy.

Once I have some new renders, I'll post them up!

[HappyB0T]

Kitting looks better

[tanghus]

Kitting looks better

OP hasn't been updated. It's still the old kitting being shown. 

[gok_nz]

I'm wondering whether GMK has a white which matches e-white better.
WS1 is a bit warm but WS2 is too cool and bright.

[CustomerSupport]

Kitting looks better

OP hasn't been updated. It's still the old kitting being shown. 

Got eeeeem

[L4ll1g470r]

Actually, I’m not aware of nordeuk having been available in ages in the ws1/cr combo. You might want to reconsider your approach, as this would compliment other sets like the awesome evil eye. I would get two norde sets just to go with that in addition to the one that would go with this.

[stevenT]

Someone may have mentioned this but if it is just BoW, why not choose ePbt, I think they are able to make it.

The reasons I pick GMK is to avoid unmatching colors and warping issue, but even GMK has noticeable issues with misprinted legend, crooked stem and warping long keycaps recently.

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The reasons I pick GMK is to avoid unmatching colors and warping issue, but even GMK has noticeable issues with misprinted legend, crooked stem and warping long keycaps recently.

There are infinite sets of EPBT Black on White available at all sorts of vendors. You can grab one of those if they interest you.

[stevenT]

The reasons I pick GMK is to avoid unmatching colors and warping issue, but even GMK has noticeable issues with misprinted legend, crooked stem and warping long keycaps recently.

There are infinite sets of EPBT Black on White available at all sorts of vendors. You can grab one of those if they interest you.

thank you

[Pylon]

The reasons I pick GMK is to avoid unmatching colors and warping issue, but even GMK has noticeable issues with misprinted legend, crooked stem and warping long keycaps recently.

There are infinite sets of EPBT Black on White available at all sorts of vendors. You can grab one of those if they interest you.

thank you

None of them have text + icon legends though. That's pretty much the point of this set.

[upas]

Just updated the kitting, complete with realistic price targets.

Please check out the first post!

These are still subject to change, and I'd still like feedback, but the core kitting is pretty set.

[MIGHTY CHICKEN]

Those are some pretty sexy price targets

[Kokaloo]

Wonderful improvement! Two base kits feel a lot more viable than a trillion child kits.

[wholypantalones]

Not for me, but happy to see text and icon mods making a comeback.

[psxndc]

I like the 40s kit. One request: can you add a 1u R3 key for something that’s not ESC or TAB? Some folks use that key on the left for things other than ESC and TAB - it could be CTRL, or backspace/DEL, or really anything. Usually I’d just stick a novelty there and be done with it, but since there’s no novelties, I’m hoping you can add something like a Code, Data,  Fn, or some other generic legend.

“Why not just stick TAB or ESC there anyway?” Well, if I have TAB above it and ESC above that, it looks weird (from the top: ESC, TAB, TAB, or ESC, TAB, ESC).

Thanks!

[Baka Bot]

Changes are great glwic

[Fraaaan]

Love the new base kit. Will definitely consider this now.

[Slayer77]

Nice update Upas, 2 base kits satisfy most people.

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[hkhawk]

The new kitting is much better!

[armintehgreat]

Looks great! Love the update to the kits. Really excited for this.

[Sterenke]

If you add the 1u r2 backspace I think most 40s layouts are covered.
Otherwise nice kitting.

[UGunaLOSE]

Love the new kitting! Larger base, with R5, at the same price as the original IC. This is good value and definitely interested!

[fatalruin]

Any chance we could see an additional one or two u1 spacebars in the spacebars kit to complete the Alice compatibility? Even one 1u and one 1.25u would work well to cover the split spacebar across the board.

[Bub]

new kiting looks much better. thanks for listening to community feedback.

[XiXora]

I could do with another 1.5U Super and 1u Alt from the extension kit.

[upas]

I could do with another 1.5U Super and 1u Alt from the extension kit.

Is this for the true classic base?

This is unlikely - adding 2 more R5 keys will impact the cost for sure.

This was a bit of a "middle ground" approach - HHKB users can have one 1.5U Super, but not both.

[Tyson]

In for The Limited! Kitting looks nice!

[XiXora]

This was a bit of a "middle ground" approach - HHKB users can have one 1.5U Super, but not both.

Yeah, the larger base.

I think I can use that on one board but I guess my HHKBs will miss out.

[Tomn]

I'm digging the minimalistic black on white look

[ryukomatoi]

Love love LOVE BoW sets. Curious to what an R5 spacebar feels like. But more importantly...

How would it feel upside down?

[upas]

Love love LOVE BoW sets. Curious to what an R5 spacebar feels like. But more importantly...

How would it feel upside down?

The spacebars are going to be the same! It's all the other keys that have a different profile.

[tonnyzzzzz]

There is no 1.5u Code key. Mac users are crying

[upas]

There is no 1.5u Code key. Mac users are crying

There is a single 1.5u super in the true classic kit!

[HappyB0T]

I like the changes to the kits - it is cool to see that you broke out the R5 and R4 versions. Pricing on the R4 kit is really nice target. Will strongly consider.

[frostfiree]

This is going to be a GOATED BoW set.

[HaX]

When?

[Prelim]

I still don't see Icon Mods on the kits, will it happen?

[mr_foggy]

100% in for a good WS1 kit without Hennessy's stupid lowercase mod text.
latest kitting is spot on.

[CustomerSupport]

Any way to get 1x 1.5u Super and 1x 1u Alt for Mac tsangan users?

If I were to put this on my Tokyo60 as-is, it would be Alt-Super-Spacebar-Alt-Super which is a little odd to me

[Entity.]

Insta buy 

[Sterenke]

Add a 1u backspace in 40s, please.

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[The0rigina1]

Would love to have those windows key back
 

[proskit]

i enjoy this and enjoy the subs as well

[_IanOfEarth]

Please add a second 1.5u Super key and a second 1u Alt key either to the base kit or an extension kit to add support for macOS 7u and HHKB layouts.

[Curin Derwin]

An add-on kit for GMK Minimal would be neat.

[DuellM]

E-White Rama X with Soya enamel infill when?


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[upas]

This is now live for GB on CannonKeys! Other vendors will go live soon:
Deskhero - CA
DailyClack - AUS
protoTypist - UK
myKeyboard - EU
iLumKB - SEA/Asia

The GB will run until October 1st. Q3 2022 ETA for Shipping.

Going to close this thread once a new GB thread is started / approved.