[ic] glass stems

[jimirolln]

i am not opposed to lubing the switches to get a super smooth actuation...but it seams artificial

glass stems could weight more and be really smooth

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist interested in the thought

the idea is a breakaway mold that could be heated on a plate or flame and glass drizzled in and pressed then scraped

maybe a cherry clear stem for spec's or model for a cast...idk...i know this sounds crazy and i run the risk of gettn crucified for this not haven renders and info with manu estimates and what not...but i thought it was a cool thought

[friglesnart]

Instant classic

[xondat]

It isn't possible, someone tried to make caps, too small.

[jimirolln]

not caps...stems

anything is possible

could make em look like marbles or sprinkle some gold powder or flakes in em

[Acereconkeys]

seems like a cool idea. If you follow through with it and figure out if it's possible with a manufacturer i'd be interested.

I wonder how feasible it'd be though since most "high end" glass manufacturing i'm aware of is in large convex/concave shapes for medical devices, glasses, telescopes, things like that. Never heard/seen anyone doing precise yet complex shapes out of glass.

[jimirolln]

seems like a cool idea. If you follow through with it and figure out if it's possible with a manufacturer i'd be interested.

I wonder how feasible it'd be though since most "high end" glass manufacturing i'm aware of is in large convex/concave shapes for medical devices, glasses, telescopes, things like that. Never heard/seen anyone doing precise yet complex shapes out of glass.

i've seen glass artist use molds making really cool bowls and stuff...this would be on a smaller skale for sure...but it seams possible to cnc a mold and heat the fuk outa some glass to drizzle in...then press it and scrape the top of the cast off

[KaosJ]

ups

[KaosJ]

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

[donutcat]

While it seems a neat idea, the details and miniscule features of stems makes it inviable combined with the characteristics of glass. You'll not be able to get molten glass to accurately take on the featurss of the stem molds, and shrinkage during cooling will heavily  affect the ability to keep those features it can take on. A neat thought, but one that isn't viable to act on.

[jimirolln]

it is ok to be highly critical but if you are not a glass expert or a cnc aficionado your negativity and condemnation of a project you are not familiar with will most certainly be falling on def ears

[jimirolln]

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

[KaosJ]

it is ok to be highly critical but if you are not a glass expert or a cnc aficionado your negativity and condemnation of a project you are not familiar with will most certainly be falling on def ears

I mean, you should check some ways to do it and later open the IC. 

CNC definetely NOT possible. Also, check out what donut said.  I'm like 99% sure it is not possible to make consistent and resistent stems but maybe any glass expert will step in and say something about it. 

[MxBlue]

not caps...stems

anything is possible

could make em look like marbles or sprinkle some gold powder or flakes in em

Stem is smaller than caps, lad. If we can't pull off caps, we can't dream of pulling off stems

[KaosJ]

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Stems have small features which will break easily (e.g. legs, bottom), it is not a consistent solid like a sphere.   
Glass is not marble. 

Also yes it's a work of super-precision making a stem, especially if you want to use something that it is not made for such small details. 

[jimirolln]

not caps...stems

anything is possible

could make em look like marbles or sprinkle some gold powder or flakes in em

Stem is smaller than caps, lad. If we can pull off caps, we cant dream of pulling off stems

stop playn...nothn about that comment vibes dreamer...lul...just cause your skills are inadequate does not mean there isn't some out there that can pull it off

[jimirolln]

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Stems have small features which will break easily (e.g. legs, bottom), it is not a consistent solid like a sphere.   
Glass is not marble. 

Also yes it's a work of super-precision making a stem, especially if you want to use something that it is not made for such small details.

seams like a valid thought but the legs could be connected or made solid to the stem no...there are no problems...only creative solutions

[jimirolln]

i can already see this is going to get out of hand and i don't want mod team investigating my thread so if you are not a glass specialist or cnc aficionado...please feel free to lurk...i can't deal with all the negative energy from the negative nancy squad today...please and thank you

positive vibe replies welcome

[KaosJ]

i can already see this is going to get out of hand and i don't want mod team investigating my thread so if you are not a glass specialist or cnc aficionado...please feel free to lurk...i can't deal with all the negative energy from the negative nancy squad today...please and thank you

We are not negative Jim, it is a cool idea but the world shouldn't have the tool to make this happen. I'm sorry. 

Hopefully a glass expert will step-in and prove i'm wrong.  I'll shut now

[jimirolln]

i can already see this is going to get out of hand and i don't want mod team investigating my thread so if you are not a glass specialist or cnc aficionado...please feel free to lurk...i can't deal with all the negative energy from the negative nancy squad today...please and thank you

We are not negative Jim, it is a cool idea but the world shouldn't have the tool to make this happen. I'm sorry. 

Hopefully a glass expert will step-in and prove i'm wrong.  I'll shut now

don't be sorry...i am just a jade statue from all my ideas gettn shot down...this actually came from the coreon case i saw a while back

the high density plastic...i thought if the stem could have more weight and be polished smooth it could work...then today i saw a glass shurlock pipe and had an apifany...thats spelled wrong but im tired of f n w spell check

[duckboi]

I think this has a lot of potential if you can figure out a way to make them! Wouldn't the stems be really heavy though? You would need some heavy springs to support the stem I think.. 

[Walkerstop]

Do it u won't
I'll but it if you make it
Do it i dare you

[jimirolln]

I think this has a lot of potential if you can figure out a way to make them! Wouldn't the stems be really heavy though? You would need some heavy springs to support the stem I think.. 

yeah...it should...but somehow i feel like weight is the key...and even if it had to be a linear of which i am not a fan...just to prove the idea could work...then maybe it could get some traction...idk...this is what a highdea looks like...lul

[jimirolln]

Do it u won't
I'll but it if you make it
Do it i dare you

im not the one...i just have to get it into the mind of the right people...i know it will work...not because i know...but because i believe

[Acereconkeys]

I think this has a lot of potential if you can figure out a way to make them! Wouldn't the stems be really heavy though? You would need some heavy springs to support the stem I think.. 

A quick google search has glass about 4 times more dense than plastic so good point.

[p_blaze]

this is possible... in your mind...but not this universe...do you feel my vibe...glass will bend to your will and be milled...but not for a long time...in fact not until we can layer atoms...enough said...this will not work

[amnesia0287]

As someone who blows glass and has a bunch of money sunk in glass blowing equipment, there is 0 chance this is viable. There are ways you might be able to  make stems, but they would be EXTREMELY cost prohibitive.

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Yes, I have made marbles, its  MUCH MUCH easier than you seem to think it is. When you get glass hot, it starts to slump, so you rotate it to make the slump move and round off.  All you do to make a marble is rotate slowly and evenly with a nice heat base.  Then once you have most of the marble, you stick a handle on the other end or use a marble grabber, remove your rod from the other side, then you can either just use some heat to let it melt in better or use a marble marver to round off the nub.

For larger more precise marbles, you can also just use a sphere grinder.

NONE OF THIS is applicable to stems.

[jimirolln]

I think this has a lot of potential if you can figure out a way to make them! Wouldn't the stems be really heavy though? You would need some heavy springs to support the stem I think.. 

A quick google search has glass about 4 times more dense than plastic so good point.

yes...more heavy...that 'is' the point

i believe i can fllllllyyyyyyy.....i believe i can touch the skkkyyyyy....see me runnin ery night and daaaayayay...spread my wings and fly awwaaayayyy...o i believe i can sooooaaaarrrrr....lulz

[jimirolln]

this is possible... in your mind...but not this universe...do you feel my vibe...glass will bend to your will and be milled...but not for a long time...in fact not until we can layer atoms...enough said...this will not work

jesus christ you sound so smart...if only you were not so negative...lul...life must look awful thru glasses w a doodoo tint on em...lul

[jimirolln]

As someone who blows glass and has a bunch of money sunk in glass blowing equipment, there is 0 chance this is viable. There are ways you might be able to  make stems, but they would be EXTREMELY cost prohibitive.

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Yes, I have made marbles, its  MUCH MUCH easier than you seem to think it is. When you get glass hot, it starts to slump, so you rotate it to make the slump move and round off.  All you do to make a marble is rotate slowly and evenly with a nice heat base.  Then once you have most of the marble, you stick a handle on the other end or use a marble grabber, remove your rod from the other side, then you can either just use some heat to let it melt in better or use a marble marver to round off the nub.

For larger more precise marbles, you can also just use a sphere grinder.

NONE OF THIS is applicable to stems.

you said blows glass...im dead...gg

haters gotta hate i guess...but please don't limit others skills to match your own just to kill my dream...ty

[amnesia0287]

As someone who blows glass and has a bunch of money sunk in glass blowing equipment, there is 0 chance this is viable. There are ways you might be able to  make stems, but they would be EXTREMELY cost prohibitive.

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Yes, I have made marbles, its  MUCH MUCH easier than you seem to think it is. When you get glass hot, it starts to slump, so you rotate it to make the slump move and round off.  All you do to make a marble is rotate slowly and evenly with a nice heat base.  Then once you have most of the marble, you stick a handle on the other end or use a marble grabber, remove your rod from the other side, then you can either just use some heat to let it melt in better or use a marble marver to round off the nub.

For larger more precise marbles, you can also just use a sphere grinder.

NONE OF THIS is applicable to stems.

you said blows glass...im dead...gg

Well, I don't imagine many people would understand the real name, "lampworking".

[jimirolln]

As someone who blows glass and has a bunch of money sunk in glass blowing equipment, there is 0 chance this is viable. There are ways you might be able to  make stems, but they would be EXTREMELY cost prohibitive.

I have no idea if that would be possible at all, small things that must be super precise, i doubt it is possible with glass. 

If it's possible, it would be too easy to break (like every hard bottom out = new stem), unsecure and probably too expensive

have you ever seen a marble...don't try to act like a sphere is not a work of precision

ever tried to break a marble

Yes, I have made marbles, its  MUCH MUCH easier than you seem to think it is. When you get glass hot, it starts to slump, so you rotate it to make the slump move and round off.  All you do to make a marble is rotate slowly and evenly with a nice heat base.  Then once you have most of the marble, you stick a handle on the other end or use a marble grabber, remove your rod from the other side, then you can either just use some heat to let it melt in better or use a marble marver to round off the nub.

For larger more precise marbles, you can also just use a sphere grinder.

NONE OF THIS is applicable to stems.

you said blows glass...im dead...gg

Well, I don't imagine many people would understand the real name, "lampworking".

on every thing i am dying...lmao...'lampworking'...lul...if thats what they call whay 'you' do...i just don't think this is the same thing...no need to 'blow' on anything...or give any 'lamps' a good workn over...dead...gg

[emenelopee]

A nice idea but not a workable one, and here is why:

- the form is too intricate unless you carve each piece;
- even then, the small parts of the stem will likely snap off in fabrication;
- even if you could make the form, glass is too weak to not break during use unless you temper;
- if you try to heat temper, the intricate parts would snap off;
- you could chemically temper but now you're in a very niche fabrication process.

The shaping and tempering are but two parts of this - there are many more.

Besides, the friction coefficient of glass is actually quite high unless you lube it. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html

The only benefit you would have is transparency which might be neat for lighting but most of the time you won't see the stem anyway.

There are better low friction and tougher materials better suited. Glass is not what a stem wants to be made from.

[FoC_Tow]

I don’t get the joke

[jimirolln]

Glass is not what a stem wants to be made from

i love you em...we go way back...to my first ic even...project hack...seams only yesterday...n e who...as nice as it is to get the rundown from a stem whisperer...i will not be discouraged...people...this is not a difficult concept to grasp...heavy stem...could be any sort of material...glass just being one...and i know it could work

positive vibe comments welcome

negative vibe comments will be roasted like a tg turkey...so tighten em up or i'll find somthn

[jimirolln]

I don’t get the joke

because is no joke to get...this a real ic...heavy stem...people don't like glass cause it is not 'easy'...fine...i can do lazy...suggest another material along with a negative reply

also...positive vibe replies welcome...nomestay

[duckboi]

Dont listen to the h8rs jimi... You got some revolutionary ideas!

[jimirolln]

Dont listen to the h8rs jimi... You got some revolutionary ideas!

peace bro...much luv...ty for the positive energy

[emenelopee]

Glass is not what a stem wants to be made from

i love you em...we go way back...to my first ic even...project hack...seams only yesterday...n e who...as nice as it is to get the rundown from a stem whisperer...i will not be discouraged...people...this is not a difficult concept to grasp...heavy stem...could be any sort of material...glass just being one...and i know it could work

positive vibe comments welcome

negative vibe comments will be roasted like a tg turkey...so tighten em up or i'll find somthn

That's fine. I'm not a stem whisperer, but I am a professional engineer who designs glass structures for a living, and I've literally written a book on it.

Saying something is not possible, at least with current tech, is not negative vibes in the same way saying you can't breathe under water is not pissing on your parade: it's generally good to know if you want to go for a swim.

[jimirolln]

Glass is not what a stem wants to be made from

i love you em...we go way back...to my first ic even...project hack...seams only yesterday...n e who...as nice as it is to get the rundown from a stem whisperer...i will not be discouraged...people...this is not a difficult concept to grasp...heavy stem...could be any sort of material...glass just being one...and i know it could work

positive vibe comments welcome

negative vibe comments will be roasted like a tg turkey...so tighten em up or i'll find somthn

That's fine. I'm not a stem whisperer, but I am a professional engineer who designs glass structures for a living, and I've literally written a book on it.

Saying something is not possible, at least with current tech, is not negative vibes in the same way saying you can't breathe under water is not pissing on your parade: it's generally good to know if you want to go for a swim.

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

[jimirolln]

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

[KaosJ]

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

He said and explained you why glass can't work (Glass stems is still the title of the IC). 
If you want to make another material, he gave you a link showing the friction of different materials so he definetely helped you out and he is not trying to "curb your enthusiasm and ambitions"

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

I'm interested in traveling through time, my only thought doesn't make it possible tho (at least for now) 

[jimirolln]

if this is possible...anything is possible...if you don't know what this is or the logistics of it's creation...check it outta the library

to say somthing is impossible is close minded and absurd

say it is to expens or not really fesable...but don't run up im my thread sayn somthn is impossible...i don't want to hear it

[KaosJ]

if this is possible...anything is possible...if you don't know what this is or the logistics of it's creation...check it outta the library

to say somthing is impossible is close minded and absurd

say it is to expens or not really fesable...but don't run up im my thread sayn somthn is impossible...i don't want to hear it

Oky, it's possible.  Please invent a machine or the technology that will allow this.

[jimirolln]

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

He said and explained you why glass can't work (Glass stems is still the title of the IC). 
If you want to make another material, he gave you a link showing the friction of different materials so he definetely helped you out and he is not trying to "curb your enthusiasm and ambitions"

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

I'm interested in traveling through time, my only thought doesn't make it possible tho (at least for now)

time travel is possible

list=PL9TaDdGBVQnYU7BrOg1biRB0kCuVtsDRP&index=36&t=22s

[KaosJ]

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

He said and explained you why glass can't work (Glass stems is still the title of the IC). 
If you want to make another material, he gave you a link showing the friction of different materials so he definetely helped you out and he is not trying to "curb your enthusiasm and ambitions"

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

I'm interested in traveling through time, my only thought doesn't make it possible tho (at least for now)

time travel is possible

list=PL9TaDdGBVQnYU7BrOg1biRB0kCuVtsDRP&index=36&t=22s

Sad cuz i still can't time travel (at least for now). 

Thanks for the link Jim, i'm going to time travel back and stop me from writing the first comment in this post. 

[emenelopee]

In that case I suggest you do your research, get you idea into an actual working prototype, then, once you know you can fabricate on a larger scale, you can submit an [IC]. Perhaps the Making Thinks Together sub will have someone who can help out, but [IC] is not really for spitballing each pre-nascent idea that pops into your head.

[jimirolln]

bruh i hate to be the one...but with an attitude like yours you got a better chance of breathing under water...so your reply will live in infamy 

[jimirolln]

In that case I suggest you do your research, get you idea into an actual working prototype, then, once you know you can fabricate on a larger scale, you can submit an [IC]. Perhaps the Making Thinks Together sub will have someone who can help out, but [IC] is not really for spitballing each pre-nascent ideas that pop into your head.

yeah thats enuf outa you...you can stop makn suggestions now...i would still like to read your 'book' tho

[futurecrime]

You literally got a reply from an expert, just like you wanted. And sound advice.

[amnesia0287]

TBH, this thread should be moved to  Making Stuff Together like other dude suggested. You have no idea how or if this is even possible and you aren't listening to anyone. This isn't an IC. This isn't "hey, I have this product, would you be interested in mass producing it". This is "hey, I have an idea that everyone says is impossible and I don't care, would you buy it?"

You don't have a design, you don't have a manufacturer, you don't have a price, you don't even have a specific glass picked out (there are lots and they all work different).

Lot's of people would likely be interested in glass stems, but before you gather interest in people buying them, you need to prove what you want is even possible. Until you are able to make a prototype, I don't understand the point in running an IC.  It's all just hypothetical.

[jimirolln]

says who...to both of y'all

i don't know what they put in the hater aid around here...but y'all gotta stop sippn on it...i ain't tryna hurt n e one...don't like...move on...there's plenty else to check out...not c hatn anythn you don't agree w is a bad look...god bless

[duynguyenle]

Glass is a relatively high friction material. Before embarking on any design, you should do some quantitative assessment of the coefficient of kinetic friction of a glass object against a few different types of plastic, and then compare that to plastic-on-plastc friction coefficient. Mainly because without that basic foundation to prove your concept, there's little reason to proceed.

[jimirolln]

Glass is a relatively high friction material. Before embarking on any design, you should do some quantitative assessment of the coefficient of kinetic friction of a glass object against a few different types of plastic, and then compare that to plastic-on-plastc friction coefficient. Mainly because without that basic foundation to prove your concept, there's little reason to proceed.

nope...gonna make a mold...drizzle the glass...press and scrape...then test it...no need to be all technical it is just a god dam stem

[ullr]

Can this thread be moves to the comedy subforum?

[xondat]

not caps...stems

anything is possible

could make em look like marbles or sprinkle some gold powder or flakes in em

Stems are smaller than caps. If caps aren't possible because of the size, then stems won't work.

Anyway, you will note that a stem is more complex than a cap.

I'd love to watch you succeed. Note me down to buy 1000 if you make it happen.

[mtzgr]

I could take this idea more seriously if you didn't type like 12 year old kid.

Just kidding, this idea is way too dumb to take seriously.

Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk

[jimirolln]

nope it has already been moved once...im done...fuk it...to the haters...shakn my head...to the cool kidz...thanks for dreamn w me...peace

[Jacob4341]

You seem like a terrible person to communicate with. I could t imagine dealing with you in a work environment.

Mods should lock or delete this thread. Waste of people's time and energy.

[Halverson]

Is ripster back?

[ptiede]

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

He said and explained you why glass can't work (Glass stems is still the title of the IC). 
If you want to make another material, he gave you a link showing the friction of different materials so he definetely helped you out and he is not trying to "curb your enthusiasm and ambitions"

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

I'm interested in traveling through time, my only thought doesn't make it possible tho (at least for now)

time travel is possible

list=PL9TaDdGBVQnYU7BrOg1biRB0kCuVtsDRP&index=36&t=22s

Ok sorry no. Time travel is not possible. Quantum mechanics doesn't say that. If you want to understand some basics of quantum mechanics I can throw you some references but not time travel is not possible at least in the way it is usually presented. Closed timelike curves as far as we know do not exist in nature. If they did then science would break in a terrible way. Cause and effect would go out the window as well as predictions. I'm sorry I don't want to be a "hater' and I realize this may not be the best place to rant on this, but as a physicist, I am horrified by how some of this stuff is presented to the public.

[hahihuhei]

I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

[SpAmRaY]

Is ripster back?

He left??

[Halverson]

Is ripster back?

He left??

POOF VAMOOS

[ptiede]

I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

[duynguyenle]

I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium, while not radioactive, is actually chemically toxic and isn't so great for your health (it's also pyrophoric). I reckon if you're really serious about getting some additional heft, tungsten might be a better idea.

[ptiede]

I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium, while not radioactive, is actually chemically toxic and isn't so great for your health (it's also pyrophoric). I reckon if you're really serious about getting some additional heft, tungsten might be a better idea.

I think I'll just do straight gold instead, keep it classy.

[Sissy]

What about Stems made of wood? or rubber? cardboard? surly we can make tidepods work?

[jimirolln]

You seem like a terrible person to communicate with. I could t imagine dealing with you in a work environment.

Mods should lock or delete this thread. Waste of people's time and energy.

ima boss in a work environment...and your attitude vibes like you found it in the trash...im sorry but i have to let you go

[jimirolln]

What about Stems made of wood? or rubber? cardboard? surly we can make tidepods work?

bit please...sounds like that pod challenge did more than clean your threads

[jimirolln]

I think I'll just do straight gold instead, keep it classy.

right...your board could rock gold stems and all the crown jewels and still...for u...keepn it classy seams a reach

[emenelopee]

Jim, I'm going to reiterate what I said over PM:

This place is here for discussion, advice, and learning (and also a circle jerk and tat shilling, camaraderie and cool ****) and mostly everyone is more than happy to give freely. What you're seeing is not haters and negative vibes but a) people giving the advice you have asked for, either from experience, from an expert perspective, or just an opinion, and b) the reaction to you batting that advice away because you don't like it. You are keen and left-field, which I commend, but, and I mean this in the most supportive way, you are a petulant little **** to people who don't reinforce your expectations. Sometimes ideas are bad, and I've had plenty, but someone telling you how bad an idea is does not make them your enemy. The trolling you see? People are ****ing with you because of your petulance.

If every thread you start ends without success, it does not mean there is a conspiracy against you, it's because you are inviting it by how you respond. Take a second, listen to advice you have asked for, relax. If an idea is strong, it can stand up to scrutiny. If it doesn't, adapt or let it go. This is a big part of design.

This is just a forum for keyboard enthusiasts, no-one is challenging your existence. Again: relax, listen, and learn.

CODA: Sorry lanyusea for singling you out but, Jim, take a look at this thread in which an idea was challenged and the error seen and accepted, gracefully, within 3 posts. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95004.msg2587258#msg2587258. If you keep digging in, doubling down, and lashing out, you're going to have a bad time.

[jimirolln]

ima have to politely ask you to get off my pecans...all of none of what you said reinforces any of your opinions...the fact that you appointed yourself the authority lets me know you don't...your small minded...good luck on your en devours...i hope they pan out...i didn't get the link to your book so i can only assume it is garbage...thank you for your input

but i am sorry...i have to let you go 

[tanvir175]

Jim, I'm going to reiterate what I said over PM:

This place is here for discussion, advice, and learning (and also a circle jerk and tat shilling, camaraderie and cool ****) and mostly everyone is more than happy to give freely. What you're seeing is not haters and negative vibes but a) people giving the advice you have asked for, either from experience, from an expert perspective, or just an opinion, and b) the reaction to you batting that advice away because you don't like it. You are keen and left-field, which I commend, but, and I mean this in the most supportive way, you are a petulant little **** to people who don't reinforce your expectations. Sometimes ideas are bad, and I've had plenty, but someone telling you how bad an idea is does not make them your enemy. The trolling you see? People are ****ing with you because of your petulance.

If every thread you start ends without success, it does not mean there is a conspiracy against you, it's because you are inviting it by how you respond. Take a second, listen to advice you have asked for, relax. If an idea is strong, it can stand up to scrutiny. If it doesn't, adapt or let it go. This is a big part of design.

This is just a forum for keyboard enthusiasts, no-one is challenging your existence. Again: relax, listen, and learn.

CODA: Sorry lanyusea for singling you out but, Jim, take a look at this thread in which an idea was challenged and the error seen and accepted, gracefully, within 3 posts. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95004.msg2587258#msg2587258. If you keep digging in, doubling down, and lashing out, you're going to have a bad time.

I can't understand why anyone took it seriously past the first few posts. After what donutcables said, it should have been clear this was not viable. Cool but not viable. But no, he wanted an "expert" on the field despite knowing nothing himself. Then people who have had ACTUAL experience came and said it wasn't possible and he just shot them down as "being negative" and "discouraging." I can't imagine him being a "boss in a work environment" because he seems like the most awful and stubborn person to work with.

If....I.....had....to....deal...with...this....every...email...I...would...quit....my...job...so....fast....with...no.....regrets.....

i know it will work...not because i know...but because i believe

Yeah and one day I hope science can make a backwards flying unicorn with TWO horns instead of one that can poop gold. I just have to get it into the minds of the right people.

[TalkingTree]

Since glass is a no go you might wanna check with Kerasan if ceramic could be of any use to this.

[Giorgio]

i am not opposed to lubing the switches to get a super smooth actuation...but it seams artificial

glass stems could weight more and be really smooth

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist interested in the thought

the idea is a breakaway mold that could be heated on a plate or flame and glass drizzled in and pressed then scraped

maybe a cherry clear stem for spec's or model for a cast...idk...i know this sounds crazy and i run the risk of gettn crucified for this not haven renders and info with manu estimates and what not...but i thought it was a cool thought

Have you ever used a glass syringe? Do you find it smooth? It isn't smooth bacause it's tight, and it can be smooth only if it's wobbly. But in keycaps you dont't want wobbly.

Topre keycaps are very smooth, and the new cherry low profile switches will be very close to that.

[FoC_Tow]

Denial

Pls delete or move to r/mk

[KaosJ]

move to r/mk

pls no

[jimirolln]

to all the negative people...no need to quit...you are fired...feel free to box up your stuff and get out of the thread...your input will be filed in the appropriate bin...where you all found your attitudes...dress for success and perk up...im sure you will find a job that will suit your aspirations to do small things...peace

[jimirolln]

Since glass is a no go you might wanna check with Kerasan if ceramic could be of any use to this.

it seams promising...i have seen ceramics coated in glass or better still porcelain

thankyou for the positive vibe tree...i have looked up to you since i joined gh...you are inspirational and very kind...much appreciation to all who choose to not troll my thread by posting positive replies...i knew this was a reach when i thru it out there...i will still attempt and tho it may fail...it is nice to receive encouragement from the community

as i truly believe some ideas need to be allowed to fail...with dignity...and who knows...it might can be done...anything is possible

[dgneo]

thats gold jerry

[jimirolln]

thats gold jerry

no bruh...that avatar is gold...she looks like the ugly duckln about to get er suma that oscar myer weener for the first...superville...dead...gg

[InvidiousIgnoramus]

Is ripster back?

Sorry, no. this guy keeps this up everywhere.

[jimirolln]

Is ripster back?

Sorry, no. this guy keeps this up everywhere.

keeps this up?...pray tell...whats this...if you mean sharing wild thoughts and ideas with the community...sure...why not

[Techno Trousers]

Besides, the friction coefficient of glass is actually quite high unless you lube it. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html

The only benefit you would have is transparency which might be neat for lighting but most of the time you won't see the stem anyway.

This is the only point that matters. The original idea was "wouldn't glass stems make for a smoother switch?" I agree that common sense would say yes. Reality had a different answer. Look at that table. The friction of various material choices:

PTFE/steel .02-.2
Glass/metal: .5-.7
Glass/metal (lubed): .2-.3

So a best case PTFE stem is ten times smoother than the best case lubed glass. In a worst case PTFE versus lubed glass, they'd have the same amount of friction.

That's it, game over for the idea.

[jimirolln]

That's it, game over

yeah...ima have to let you go...please gather your things and leave the thread...a glass marble vibed stem is still cool...sorry you share that spam mail vision with the rest of the people that had to be let go...hope you find a role that suits your ambitions to things less interesting...best of luck

[jimirolln]

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[jimirolln]

happy birthday

[jimirolln]

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[duckboi]

happy birthday buddy. glad to see the dream isn't dead...

[kristmascane]

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Miss you Jimi, plz come back to discord

[lewisflude]

This is a great idea! I'll stock the first 50,000 no questions asked.

[MxBlue]

necroing a 3 old old thread doesnt make you cool lol