Author Topic: it is coming... SA RETRO! (Read 70706 times)

Matt3o · « **Reply #100 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:03:01 »

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 13 April 2015, 05:18:09

The OS kits have Windows and Linux logo modifiers, but no Apple command and option icon modifiers?

you have a whole kit just for apple!

rowdy · « **Reply #101 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:12:20 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:03:01

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 13 April 2015, 05:18:09
The OS kits have Windows and Linux logo modifiers, but no Apple command and option icon modifiers?

you have a whole kit just for apple!

The Apple ][ kits? There are no icon modifiers there, just text legends.

Elrick · « **Reply #102 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:23:13 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:03:01

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 13 April 2015, 05:18:09
The OS kits have Windows and Linux logo modifiers, but no Apple command and option icon modifiers?

you have a whole kit just for apple!

Why would you even bother........?

Less people are using Apple than Linux especially here on Geekhack.

Time to convince them Jobsie losers to join the winning crowd here and stop wasting money on that weirdo OS pretending to be a Mobile Phone, just like the current MS rubbish from Redmond.

Happy for Matt in keeping it real and have ONLY the Commodore Logo installed because it's the epitome of true RETRO, so that's it

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Matt3o · « **Reply #103 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:59:01 »

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:12:20

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 06:03:01
Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 13 April 2015, 05:18:09
The OS kits have Windows and Linux logo modifiers, but no Apple command and option icon modifiers?

you have a whole kit just for apple!

The Apple ][ kits? There are no icon modifiers there, just text legends.

Apple does not use the apple icon anymore on keyboards.

Zebadule · « **Reply #104 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 07:19:53 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 02:28:27

More updates! Still playing with the green keys. Added colemak... make it tip!

Thanks! I'll make sure it tips. The "T" and "N" keys need some homing dishes, and one of the "R"s should be an "E".

Regarding the lime kits, I'd like that refresh key, but it's the only lime key I want that's in the Extra Lime Kit. I don't feel really strongly about this, but just giving you a data point.

nathanrosspowell · « **Reply #105 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 08:42:24 »

Quote from: Zebadule on Mon, 13 April 2015, 07:19:53

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 02:28:27
More updates! Still playing with the green keys. Added colemak... make it tip!

Thanks! I'll make sure it tips. The "T" and "N" keys need some homing dishes, and one of the "R"s should be an "E".

Regarding the lime kits, I'd like that refresh key, but it's the only lime key I want that's in the Extra Lime Kit. I don't feel really strongly about this, but just giving you a data point.

Yea, that is an error having two R's in the kit.

I should have linked Matt3o to this kit as well: Pulse SA Homing Keys. That is where the homing keys where in that keyset.

Matt3o · « **Reply #106 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:07:38 »

This might be it!

PLEASE check all kits especially the international!!!!

Wilba · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:24:19 »

Quote from: Wilba on Mon, 13 April 2015, 04:25:48

To be consistent, the numpad should use both ÷ and ×, or both / and *

"/" is more retro, but I don't really mind "÷"... I just like things to match. To my eyes, it's like having "DIVIDE" and "ASTERISK" on those keys.
If you have a reason for it the way it is, that's fine. Just trying to prevent "errors".

I don't have OCD

I just sympathize with those who do.

Matt3o · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:27:11 »

I fixed that, don't worry

Wilba · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:33:48 »

BTW how can people make their own BrownFox clone without a 6U spacebar?

Lpwl · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:42:45 »

'E €' (R2) key seems to be missing from both International kits (FR-IT & NORDIC).

abjr · « **Reply #111 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:45:30 »

Just some observations:

1) Any reason to not combine the Lime kits together? (price?)
2) Could the SUPER keys be moved from the OS kit to the Modifiers kit? (like Granite)
3) I noticed there's no brown ISO enter (not sure if anyone cares)

Matt3o · « **Reply #112 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 10:28:47 »

Quote from: Lpwl on Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:42:45

'E �' (R2) key seems to be missing from both International kits (FR-IT & NORDIC).

only if there's really a huge demand of that.

Quote from: abjr on Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:45:30

Just some observations:

1) Any reason to not combine the Lime kits together? (price?)
2) Could the SUPER keys be moved from the OS kit to the Modifiers kit? (like Granite)
3) I noticed there's no brown ISO enter (not sure if anyone cares)

1) yes, price
2) nope. sorry. The standard super key for Retro is C64 (DSA retro didn't even have the OS kit)
3) ISO enter are expensive. It's one or the other I'm afraid

abjr · « **Reply #113 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 10:53:47 »

No worries, I prefer the C64 key anyway

techmattr · « **Reply #114 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:19:58 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 13 April 2015, 09:07:38

This might be it!

More
PLEASE check all kits especially the international!!!!

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I see you added a R3 1.75u Control did you also add a R4 1u Delete somewhere? The Delete probably isn't all that important but it would be nice for a complete Minila kit.

Matt3o · « **Reply #115 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:49:51 »

you are right, I simply forgot about it

so many keys!

Matt3o · « **Reply #116 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:34:45 »

Here we are...

techmattr · « **Reply #117 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 13:59:54 »

Nice. This is looking so good. Fantastic work on this. I'm definitely going to need multiple sets

Oobly · « **Reply #118 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 14:31:43 »

But... why Row 3 bottom row? There is no other sculptured profile that does that. Please can we have Row 4 so this will be the first FULL sculptured SA set like GMK, Cherry, DCS, OEM, etc (I know the Shifts will be Row 3, but that's the ONLY part of the set that won't match a full sculptured profile)? Please? Penumbra bottom row is great... I want my Row 4

I don't like how Row 3 Ctrl feels on my pinkies.

Matt3o · « **Reply #119 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 16:38:54 »

I'm not picky about it, but many say that row3 is more ergonomic on the bottom row.

What do you guys prefer, row-3 or 4 as bottom row?

Wilba · « **Reply #120 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:20:25 »

I really don't understand how people think row 3 bottom row is more ergonomic... row 4 on the bottom row is similar to standard bottom row in other keycap profiles like Cherry, DCS, Filco, OEM and buckling spring.

The top row was changed from R3 to R1 for that "authentic" vintage feel... so why not make it fully sculpted all the way to the bottom row?

Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 April 2015, 06:55:22

matt3o, the only problem with doing the bottom row in R4 has been that there are no molds for 1.25u keys in semi matte finish, which most organizers have been using with SA. Those are only available in matte finish. I think doing an entire set in matte finish would be nice, though.

Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 April 2015, 08:15:25

23 Commando was mostly matte finish, in 1-2-3-3-3-4 profile. However, the correctly sized Shifts and Return keys are only available in semi matte finish.

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Photo credit: jil_jil32

This is why most recent full contour SA sets, including my Hack'd By Geeks, have been 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles in semi matte. It's always some compromise with SA.

So the choices are:

A. Semi-matte, bottom row in R3.
B. Semi-matte, bottom row in R4, except matte 1.25U R4 mods.
C. Matte, bottom row in R4, except semi-matte Shifts and Returns
D. Semi-matte, bottom row in R3 and R4 <-- don't do this!

I'd definitely prefer bottom row in R4... so either option B or C.

How did Penumbra deal with the R4 bottom row matte vs. semi-matte compromise? Is it mostly semi-matte or matte?

Zebadule · « **Reply #121 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 21:06:14 »

Now that the set is looking good and nearly finalized, it's time to get nit-picky

I'm worried that the burgundy ErgoDox set is too burgundy.

Would rather your keyboard look like this?

Or this?

Edit: the embedded images are doing weird things. If they are broken, please let me know.

Loligagger · « **Reply #122 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 21:31:22 »

A bit of lime in the burgundy ergodox kit would look good.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #123 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 22:38:01 »

I'm in favor of R4 for the bottom row. SP must have added a semi matte R4 1.25u key without updating their product sheet, because Penumbra definitely has them.

Oobly · « **Reply #124 on:** Tue, 14 April 2015, 00:05:12 »

Quote from: Wilba on Mon, 13 April 2015, 19:20:25

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How did Penumbra deal with the R4 bottom row matte vs. semi-matte compromise? Is it mostly semi-matte or matte?

They made them in semi-matte since SP do actually have Row 4 semi-matte molds for 1.25x size. It's only the Row 4 Shift molds they don't have yet.

john2x · « **Reply #125 on:** Tue, 14 April 2015, 01:51:09 »

Count me in as interested.

Matt3o · « **Reply #126 on:** Tue, 14 April 2015, 02:18:29 »

I'm asking SP if they really have a full semi matte R4.

Matt3o · « **Reply #127 on:** Tue, 14 April 2015, 11:55:46 »

I got back from Melissa.

1.25 is NOT available in semi-matte Row-4. So I believe I'll stick with R3 in the bottom row.

Oobly · « **Reply #128 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 07:23:59 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 14 April 2015, 11:55:46

I got back from Melissa.

1.25 is NOT available in semi-matte Row-4. So I believe I'll stick with R3 in the bottom row.

Wow.. that's weird. I wonder what the reason is. I guess that makes Penumbra (and Calm Depths) even more special.

Matt3o · « **Reply #129 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 08:19:29 »

Quote from: Oobly on Wed, 15 April 2015, 07:23:59

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 14 April 2015, 11:55:46
I got back from Melissa.

1.25 is NOT available in semi-matte Row-4. So I believe I'll stick with R3 in the bottom row.

Wow.. that's weird. I wonder what the reason is. I guess that makes Penumbra (and Calm Depths) even more special.

As far as I understand penumbra is matte on the bottom row.

Oobly · « **Reply #130 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 15:54:43 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 15 April 2015, 08:19:29

Quote from: Oobly on Wed, 15 April 2015, 07:23:59
Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 14 April 2015, 11:55:46
I got back from Melissa.

1.25 is NOT available in semi-matte Row-4. So I believe I'll stick with R3 in the bottom row.

Wow.. that's weird. I wonder what the reason is. I guess that makes Penumbra (and Calm Depths) even more special.

As far as I understand penumbra is matte on the bottom row.

Commando is matte, Penumbra and Calm Depths are completely semi-matte. I'm typing on Penumbra semi-matte Row 4 1.25x mods right now in fact, so I know they can physically make them. Maybe you can contact BunnyLake to ask about how they got them to do the Penumbra ones...

jdcarpe · « **Reply #131 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:03:42 »

Quote from: Oobly on Wed, 15 April 2015, 15:54:43

Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 15 April 2015, 08:19:29
Quote from: Oobly on Wed, 15 April 2015, 07:23:59
Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 14 April 2015, 11:55:46
I got back from Melissa.

1.25 is NOT available in semi-matte Row-4. So I believe I'll stick with R3 in the bottom row.

Wow.. that's weird. I wonder what the reason is. I guess that makes Penumbra (and Calm Depths) even more special.

As far as I understand penumbra is matte on the bottom row.

Commando is matte, Penumbra and Calm Depths are completely semi-matte. I'm typing on Penumbra semi-matte Row 4 1.25x mods right now in fact, so I know they can physically make them. Maybe you can contact BunnyLake to ask about how they got them to do the Penumbra ones...

Yeah, I could hardly believe when you posted that, so I went and looked at my Penumbra set...

Sure enough, semi matte R4 1.25 sitting right there in the bag. WTF?

Matt3o · « **Reply #132 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:16:10 »

guys either Melissa is mistaken or the difference between matte and semi-matte is hard to tell.

I can ask her for another confirmation, but she was pretty clear:

Quote

Sadly, no this isn't the case - the 1.25 keys are all matte top.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #133 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:21:46 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:16:10

guys either Melissa is mistaken or the difference between matte and semi-matte is hard to tell.

I can ask her for another confirmation, but she was pretty clear:

Quote
Sadly, no this isn't the case - the 1.25 keys are all matte top.

I think she must be mistaken, then. Because the proof exists in physical form. Apparently no one told the people on the floor they didn't have the molds for them, so they went ahead made Penumbra (and Calm Depths) with semi matte 1.25 R4 keys. It's crazy, I know. If I would have had this information at the time, I would have run Hack'd By Geeks in 1-1-2-3-4-4.

Matt3o · « **Reply #134 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:26:41 »

mmh maybe Bunny has the rights on that key? I'll try to ask.

Edit: I asked again and she is checking with production. I'll keep you posted.

Wilba · « **Reply #135 on:** Wed, 15 April 2015, 18:39:22 »

Maybe they should check if they really don't have row 4 shift molds....

Data · « **Reply #136 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:41:24 »

Quote from: Wilba on Wed, 15 April 2015, 18:39:22

Maybe they should check if they really don't have row 4 shift molds....

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Matt3o · « **Reply #137 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:51:38 »

still no update...

Matt3o · « **Reply #138 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:04:40 »

ok. confirmed.

SP has a semi-matte 1.25u R4 after all.

So I guess the layout will be 1-1-2-3-4-4

techmattr · « **Reply #139 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:15:06 »

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/ca0cda303fe7cd00cadd4d4d71d973a5

Do the pro mods have a 2u shift key? It's hard to tell the sizes on some of them.

Matt3o · « **Reply #140 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:18:56 »

yes, that is a 2u shift

jackiecanev2 · « **Reply #141 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 19:45:20 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:04:40

ok. confirmed.

SP has a semi-matte 1.25u R4 after all.

So I guess the layout will be 1-1-2-3-4-4

Yeeeeees!!!!!!

So stoked.

Elrick · « **Reply #142 on:** Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:05:04 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:04:40

ok. confirmed.

SP has a semi-matte 1.25u R4 after all.

So I guess the layout will be 1-1-2-3-4-4

So Matt3o, everything is ready to go soon onto PMK's website

?

Oobly · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 01:43:14 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 16 April 2015, 17:04:40

ok. confirmed.

SP has a semi-matte 1.25u R4 after all.

So I guess the layout will be 1-1-2-3-4-4

That's nice. I'm happy.

OMFG!!! This is going to be simply the BEST GB set EVAH!

Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 15 April 2015, 16:21:46

....If I would have had this information at the time, I would have run Hack'd By Geeks in 1-1-2-3-4-4.

Where do I send the WMD's? That would have been EPIC! So sad about this.... what could have been. Maybe for Round 2? Once people see the set in person and pics posted on boards I think the interest will boom again.

Matt3o · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 04:30:44 »

In the effort to simplify the GB I made the following modifications. I believe it's a saner config that would hopefully reduce production errors.

I hope I corrected all row-4 vs row-3...

MAR82 · « **Reply #145 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 04:40:55 »

I think the alphas and mods in different packs was better idea. Because I was planning on getting both mods, now if I want both colors it will force me to buy both full sets

techmattr · « **Reply #146 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 11:23:23 »

Quote from: MAR82 on Fri, 17 April 2015, 04:40:55

I think the alphas and mods in different packs was better idea. Because I was planning on getting both mods, now if I want both colors it will force me to buy both full sets

Agree. There will probably be a lot of people that want both sets of mods but don't want to buy 2 full sets.

Matt3o · « **Reply #147 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 11:31:17 »

I agree with you guys, but it depends who will do logistics. If it's on me or (hopefully) BunnyLake I need to keep them contained. If it's PMK who cares

MAR82 · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 17:17:02 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Fri, 17 April 2015, 11:31:17

I agree with you guys, but it depends who will do logistics. If it's on me or (hopefully) BunnyLake I need to keep them contained. If it's PMK who cares

I thought it was going to be PMK that was going to it for sure, but if you or Bunny do it I can understand
I guess if you did it there would be some advantages and some disadvantages. But it would also be the same thing with PMK. It's all about which one has the most advantages

Acanthophis · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 17 April 2015, 19:24:38 »

No R3 1.75 stepped Control in Pro Mods?

News:

Author Topic: it is coming... SA RETRO! (Read 70706 times)