Author Topic: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP) (Read 3524774 times)

Coreda · « **Reply #12950 on:** Sun, 09 August 2015, 16:08:50 »

Saw this switch on a site and was wondering what type it was:

From this board (NEC PTOS):

Sadly no higher res photos available. Wish Deskthority's wiki switch list page had thumbnails to browse through.

davkol · « **Reply #12951 on:** Sun, 09 August 2015, 16:52:19 »

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Recognition_guides

…but that switch isn't there.

The keyboard looks like NEC A-VX N8606 (classified as Topre in DT wiki) and a bunch of other PTOS keyboards.

Coreda · « **Reply #12952 on:** Sun, 09 August 2015, 17:58:24 »

Quote from: davkol on Sun, 09 August 2015, 16:52:19

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Recognition_guides

…but that switch isn't there.

The keyboard looks like NEC A-VX N8606 (classified as Topre in DT wiki) and a bunch of other PTOS keyboards.

So I did some more looking around it looks like the model is 'NEC CMQ-6D1L' and the switch is a rare NEC branded switch (wiki entry). They apparently came in a couple versions.

From translating some of the original Japanese it said that the early to mid versions of the NEC PTOS used the NEC switches while the latter model they owned (PC-9801-114) featured yellow ALPs switches:

Clearly these boards came with different switches over the years as Topre was also used for some models.

byker · « **Reply #12953 on:** Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:46:22 »

rowdy · « **Reply #12954 on:** Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:05:41 »

Quote from: Coreda on Sun, 09 August 2015, 16:08:50

Saw this switch on a site and was wondering what type it was:

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From this board (NEC PTOS):

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Sadly no higher res photos available. Wish Deskthority's wiki switch list page had thumbnails to browse through.

Those look very much like a variant on the NEC blue oval switches.

The blue ones popup from time to time in H4100E and similar keyboards. They are clicky, although curiously the click happens after actuation, so with a little care it is possible to type silently on the blue switches.

I wonder if the white ones are, perhaps, silent versions of the blue ones.

vivalarevolución · « **Reply #12955 on:** Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:35:02 »

Where the heck do I get space bars, besides signature plastics? I'm mostay looking for 6.25 pbt, and nothing too fancy or expensive. But thick would be nice.

NEVERMIND, I'll just get them from SP, they have lots of options for a good price.

Coreda · « **Reply #12956 on:** Mon, 10 August 2015, 22:28:23 »

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:05:41

Those look very much like a variant on the NEC blue oval switches.

The blue ones popup from time to time in H4100E and similar keyboards. They are clicky, although curiously the click happens after actuation, so with a little care it is possible to type silently on the blue switches.

I wonder if the white ones are, perhaps, silent versions of the blue ones.

Interesting, so there are blue versions of the switches as well. Curious!

Karura · « **Reply #12957 on:** Tue, 11 August 2015, 16:03:36 »

What are the differences between AEKi and AEKii?

Are the keycaps completely interchangeable between the two? I'm looking to get some orange ALPS and solder them into an AEKii, and use the AEKi caps.

fohat.digs · « **Reply #12958 on:** Tue, 11 August 2015, 16:17:01 »

Quote from: Karura on Tue, 11 August 2015, 16:03:36

Are the keycaps completely interchangeable between the two? I'm looking to get some orange ALPS and solder them into an AEKii, and use the AEKi caps.

Huh?

The AEK2 caps are considered by some people to be marginally better, but there is very little difference.

The orange Alps are the best, but there is so little difference in the cases that it does not seem to matter.
Both have Apple style details and ADB connections. Why bother?

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12959 on:** Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:22:37 »

Hello, in the search of a mechanicall keyboard i came across an OLIVETTI.

MODEL : ANK 60 -105 RT4958TWFR

I look several time on the wiki and google, find only one thread talking about a rt4958twfr but was not an olivetti, the guy talking about seems to say that it is mechanical.

But i find literaly nothing Oo

Could somebody say me what type of switch or if the keyboard is worth the time ?

Thanx Eugene.

sethk_ · « **Reply #12960 on:** Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:37:17 »

Quote from: Eugene45 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:22:37

Hello, in the search of a mechanicall keyboard i came across an OLIVETTI.

MODEL : ANK 60 -105 RT4958TWFR

I look several time on the wiki and google, find only one thread talking about a rt4958twfr but was not an olivetti, the guy talking about seems to say that it is mechanical.

But i find literaly nothing Oo

Could somebody say me what type of switch or if the keyboard is worth the time ?

Thanx Eugene.

pic?

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12961 on:** Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:55:41 »

Only an ant pic at the moment, Hope to have one taller tomorrow

http://www.noelshack.com/2015-33-1439340854-keyboard.jpg

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12962 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 05:59:46 »

Apparently cant use the "balise" to include the pic, seems weird, keyobard has the logo on the right with a black strip, still searching on the net about something similar.

Wanted to add a question, it seems that you can buy some "weird" starwars / or colored key with some face on it ?
Are they some collectible thing like pokemon cards or does it have an other use i dont know ?

Thx

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12963 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 06:41:02 »

Quote from: Eugene45 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:55:41

Only an ant pic at the moment, Hope to have one taller tomorrow

http://www.noelshack.com/2015-33-1439340854-keyboard.jpg

Ideally we'd have a top down picture, picture of the bottom, and a picture with a keycap pulled. Honestly have zero clue with the information you've given and that picture.

Quote from: Eugene45 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 05:59:46

More

Apparently cant use the "balise" to include the pic, seems weird, keyobard has the logo on the right with a black strip, still searching on the net about something similar.

Wanted to add a question, it seems that you can buy some "weird" starwars / or colored key with some face on it ?
Are they some collectible thing like pokemon cards or does it have an other use i dont know ?

Thx

You answered your own question. They're just for fun and collectible.

Eszett · « **Reply #12964 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 06:53:24 »

Hello! Which axis of a matrix is usually strobed and which sensed?

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12965 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 07:31:17 »

@CPTBadAss

I dont want to quote / requote and requote a message.

I found a ank 61 105 on ebay italia, seems that the ank 60 105 it was not a meca, so dropt it.

Found a model M on local craiglist but the seller wont sell it without the computer.

And with all of that people are on vacation and just email you, i'am in vacation, dont care, resend on end of month.

So yeah the hunt continue

So excited.

Thx for the answer.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12966 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 07:52:51 »

Quote from: Eszett on Wed, 12 August 2015, 06:53:24

Hello! Which axis of a matrix is usually strobed and which sensed?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50437.msg1193047#msg1193047

If I understand Soarer's post correctly, the columns (Y axis or function row to spacebar) are strobe lines. The rows (X axis or capslock to backspace) are sense lines.

Eszett · « **Reply #12967 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 07:57:46 »

Thank you Captain! Your answer is quick!

alienman82 · « **Reply #12968 on:** Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:46:23 »

removed.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12969 on:** Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:45:37 »

Quote from: alienman82 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:46:23

Anywhere I can buy a center stem black spacebar cherry profile 6.25 today?

Don't think anyone stocks actual Cherry/GMK spacebars now. When there was the GMK spacebar random buy last year, there were a few black and whites. You could try putting up a classifieds to get one of those.

If you're looking for Cherry profile, you should be able to pickup DCS spacebars from SP.

alienman82 · « **Reply #12970 on:** Thu, 13 August 2015, 08:58:16 »

removed.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #12971 on:** Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:11:35 »

Quote from: alienman82 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:46:23

Anywhere I can buy a center stem black spacebar cherry profile 6.25 today?

From this GB: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.0
But I think it's little cost.

MAR82 · « **Reply #12972 on:** Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:21:49 »

Quote from: alienman82 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:46:23

Anywhere I can buy a center stem black spacebar cherry profile 6.25 today?

I know they had them in the JTK Debut GB, and I think Bunny said there will be some extras on ctrlalt.io when it reopens

Ludovician · « **Reply #12973 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:33:49 »

Is anyone here familiar with the KBP V80 and how many screws you need to remove to take it apart? I can feel SOMETHING under the label but I don't want to destroy the label just to find that I didn't need to, and I assume there are others under the rubber pads but I haven't looked yet.

In case it makes a difference, mine is the Matias version.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12974 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 07:57:25 »

Quote from: Ludovician on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:33:49

Is anyone here familiar with the KBP V80 and how many screws you need to remove to take it apart? I can feel SOMETHING under the label but I don't want to destroy the label just to find that I didn't need to, and I assume there are others under the rubber pads but I haven't looked yet.

In case it makes a difference, mine is the Matias version.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73438.0

I think there's only 1 screw and snap fits.

Karura · « **Reply #12975 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:00:05 »

Was there a special 1.5u sized keycap that is related to Small Fry or something? Does anyone have a photo or more info about it?

I vaguely recall that it was doubleshot, black base, cyan legends. Very neat cap.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12976 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:04:04 »

Quote from: Karura on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:00:05

Was there a special 1.5u sized keycap that is related to Small Fry or something? Does anyone have a photo or more info about it?

I vaguely recall that it was doubleshot, black base, cyan legends. Very neat cap.

Friends and Family cap. Smallfry and inlikeflynn had caps made by SP. They wanted to send them out to GHers randomly to remind them that Geekhack is more than keyboards.

Here's a picture from rkinze from the 2013 Keycon in Chicago when Smallfry's family came and mkawa handed them out.

Karura · « **Reply #12977 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:07:23 »

Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:04:04

Quote from: Karura on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:00:05
Was there a special 1.5u sized keycap that is related to Small Fry or something? Does anyone have a photo or more info about it?

I vaguely recall that it was doubleshot, black base, cyan legends. Very neat cap.

Friends and Family cap. Smallfry and inlikeflynn had caps made by SP. They wanted to send them out to GHers randomly to remind them that Geekhack is more than keyboards.

Here's a picture from rkinze from the 2013 Keycon in Chicago when Smallfry's family came and mkawa handed them out.

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Ah yes, that's the one, it's very neat. Thanks for sharing :)

HoffmanMyster · « **Reply #12978 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:51:31 »

Quote from: 3K on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:06:42

So I just handwired (first time) an external numpad, put in a teensy, burned the firmware following matt3os guide and am now experiencing random inputs of 3 certain characters on my numpad. (fast enough to not allow any other input)
I checked the source code twice and couldn't find any visible shorts.. so what could the problem be? I don't know what to do anymore.

This post has been split to a separate topic, found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74478.0

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12979 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:20:58 »

2 question :

Someone had a graphic / pics on the part of a mecha, something simple just i can send it to a friend to help him understand how its make.
Case / board / switch / caps, i'am right ?

How do you creat your keyboard pics in your signature like some people do ?

Thanks

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12980 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:23:02 »

Quote from: Eugene45 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:20:58

1) Someone had a graphic / pics on the part of a mecha, something simple just i can send it to a friend to help him understand how its make.
Case / board / switch / caps, i'am right ?

2) How do you creat your keyboard pics in your signature like some people do ?

1) This might help. But any build log would be a good place to look. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47093.0. You've essentially got it yes.

2) From the OP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0#post_GG

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12981 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:30:13 »

Ok in the thread you link, the plate is the piece at the bottom.

So case / board ( pcb ) / switch / plate / caps ?

Or does it have an other denomination ?

Thanks

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12982 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:31:12 »

Quote from: Eugene45 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:30:13

Ok in the thread you link, the plate is the piece at the bottom.

So case / board ( pcb ) / switch / plate / caps ?

Or does it have an other denomination ?

Thanks

Top of the case
Caps
Plate with switches in it
PCB
Bottom of the case

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12983 on:** Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:35:30 »

Oh okay.

Thx Captain.

wlhlm · « **Reply #12984 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 03:58:31 »

IMSTO put up some BSP sets in his store. I'm interested in the Peacock set, but never having a BSP set in my hands before, here's my question: BSP doesn't make spacebars, but I have a PBT spacebar from a Cherry dyesub set, would it fit the BSP color?

Ludovician · « **Reply #12985 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 04:31:40 »

Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 14 August 2015, 07:57:25

Quote from: Ludovician on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:33:49
Is anyone here familiar with the KBP V80 and how many screws you need to remove to take it apart? I can feel SOMETHING under the label but I don't want to destroy the label just to find that I didn't need to, and I assume there are others under the rubber pads but I haven't looked yet.

In case it makes a difference, mine is the Matias version.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73438.0

I think there's only 1 screw and snap fits.

Thank you. This was correct. I thought there would have been some deviously hidden under the pads or the label, like I've seen some other keyboards do.

Karura · « **Reply #12986 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:54:05 »

I know about the funding to make the SP Cherry legend replica, but I was wondering, who exactly designed the vector files, and owns the rights to use those moulds?

azhdar · « **Reply #12987 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:59:18 »

Looking for a picture of a keyboard with dolch modifiers with beige alphas <3

wlhlm · « **Reply #12988 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:16:44 »

Quote from: Karura on Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:54:05

I know about the funding to make the SP Cherry legend replica, but I was wondering, who exactly designed the vector files, and owns the rights to use those moulds?

Hashbaz has the vectors (and also owns the DCS Cherry legends, I believe). There was a lot of discussion (drama) about the Cherry legends in the Pulse IC.

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12989 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:48:43 »

Quote from: wlhlm on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:16:44

Quote from: Karura on Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:54:05
I know about the funding to make the SP Cherry legend replica, but I was wondering, who exactly designed the vector files, and owns the rights to use those moulds?
Hashbaz has the vectors (and also owns the DCS Cherry legends, I believe). There was a lot of discussion (drama) about the Cherry legends in the Pulse IC.

That is a lot of talk Oo

Can someone ELI5/TLDR ?

wlhlm · « **Reply #12990 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:52:35 »

Quote from: Eugene45 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:48:43

Quote from: wlhlm on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:16:44
Quote from: Karura on Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:54:05
I know about the funding to make the SP Cherry legend replica, but I was wondering, who exactly designed the vector files, and owns the rights to use those moulds?
Hashbaz has the vectors (and also owns the DCS Cherry legends, I believe). There was a lot of discussion (drama) about the Cherry legends in the Pulse IC.

That is a lot of talk Oo

Can someone ELI5/TLDR ?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42659.0

Eugene45 · « **Reply #12991 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 10:32:09 »

Thanks, was great to read.

hikak · « **Reply #12992 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 14:11:12 »

Hello guys. Im new to this forum but i was wondering what is the difference between classic mechanical and gaming mechanical keyboard for example: http://www.amazon.com/QPAD-MK-50-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B006L3S4OO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439665231&sr=8-1&keywords=QPAD+MK-50
and
http://www.amazon.com/Cherry-G80-3850LYBEU-2-Professional-Keyboard-Switches/dp/B00H4IKUAG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439665025&sr=8-1&keywords=cherry+mx+3.0#product-description-iframe
does the response time differ with non gaming? does it not have antighosting? if there are any advatages to gaming keyboard over normal one please let me know... thank you!

Blaise170 · « **Reply #12993 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 14:42:12 »

I wouldn't really consider "classic" to be either of those, they are both modern mechanical keyboards. Gaming is just a moniker to sell more keyboards, you won't notice a difference between (most) mechanical keyboards as most of them have at least 6KRO (USB) and even higher than that. The chances that you will ever get ghosting in a mechanical keyboard is slim since each switch is separate, though on older keyboards you may have some issues (old terminal boards from the 80s for example). Any modern board won't really have that problem unless the company that made it just completely cheaped out on it (those generic keyboards you can find on eBay for $30 for example). Average human response time is around 250ms so as long as the keyboard is faster than that there is absolutely no reason to get one that is 10ms response over one that is 20ms response for example.

davkol · « **Reply #12994 on:** Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:38:12 »

Keyboard matrix (including ghosting) explained.

For example, my TypeMatrix ghosts on a certain keyboard combination. Most keyboards block though.

katushkin · « **Reply #12995 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 03:41:05 »

Does the model number of Model Ms/SSKs change depending on year?

pr0ximity · « **Reply #12996 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:38:43 »

Anyone know if puple LEDs with no (or very minimal) light outside of the visible spectrum (UV) exist somewhere? All that I've found are Purple+UV.

njbair · « **Reply #12997 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:28:24 »

Quote from: katushkin on Mon, 17 August 2015, 03:41:05

Does the model number of Model Ms/SSKs change depending on year?

AFAIK the model numbers denote the legend configuration and type of interface (PS/2 or terminal), not the date the board was made.

EDIT: http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Enhanced_Keyboard#Noteworthy_part_numbers

heedpantsnow · « **Reply #12998 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:04:35 »

Quote from: pr0ximity on Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:38:43

Anyone know if puple LEDs with no (or very minimal) light outside of the visible spectrum (UV) exist somewhere? All that I've found are Purple+UV.

I have looked high and low and cannot find any. And at least for cheap LED's, purple and uv seem to be used interchangeably since they are close on the spectrum. Chinese say "差不多". I don't agree

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #12999 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:07:13 »

Quote from: heedpantsnow on Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:04:35

Quote from: pr0ximity on Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:38:43
Anyone know if puple LEDs with no (or very minimal) light outside of the visible spectrum (UV) exist somewhere? All that I've found are Purple+UV.

I have looked high and low and cannot find any. And at least for cheap LED's, purple and uv seem to be used interchangeably since they are close on the spectrum. Chinese say "差不多". I don't agree

I also do not think there are purple LEDs which aren't UV LEDs.

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Author Topic: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP) (Read 3524774 times)