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Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:24:31
Double shot replacements for Cherry MX (Filco/Ducky/Cherry).

Please visit the new thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664) to vote for kits and
give quantities of how much you would like to order.


The following is obsolete:

Color scheme similar or equal to Round 1.
Everything centered, no arrows, nor symbols etc.[1]

Optional extra sets for
UK, NL, AT/DE/SE, FR, Colemak, Dvorak and other special layouts.

If you like a key to be added or removed,
just state in post which and where.

Set up a poll if you like some extra symbols included.[2]

Prices are not fixed.
These are maximum prices for 1 of 50 sets (Standard kit) and
1 of 25 sets (all other kits), excluding shipping.
You don't need to order a Standard kit along your
local/alternate-layout kit. Each kit will sell separately.



1. Standard kit   @ $50
2. UK kit       @ $7

3. AT/DE/SE kit @ $14

4. FR kit       @ $13

5. NL kit       @ $12

6. Colemak kit  @ $5

7. Dvorak kit   @ $8

8. Modifier kit        @ $18
    (maybe this will split up into 2 modifier sets)
[/LIST]
9. Numeric kit         @ $10
10. Function kit        @ $10(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14047&d=1292429949)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14064&stc=1&d=1292451244)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14088&stc=1&d=1292531681)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14063&stc=1&d=1292450610)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14111&stc=1&d=1292609358)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14118&stc=1&d=1292681766)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14155&stc=1&d=1292764155)

I will post layout-schemes for other kits later.

Any suggestions or comments are welcome!

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[1] If you want off-center labels, or a different color (e.g. pink),
please refer to Round TWO (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12682)!

[2] Titles for polls should follow the scheme:
Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Awesome and Trollface keys
Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: XX-layout
Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Abcdef-layout
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:43:29
Should we pm you with questions, or can we ask them here?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:43:34
Decisive! Yes!

International kits are proper double shot keys not blanks?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:52:03
Quote from: JinDesu;263494
Should we pm you with questions, or can we ask them here?


Please ask any questions here!

Quote from: Twitchy;263495
Decisive! Yes!

International kits are proper double shot keys not blanks?


These are all keys to be added to the 104-US-stadard layout. I will post graphics for those sets as soon as possible, so everyone interested can make sugestions or corrections if I got something wrong.

Other national layouts could be made as well, depending which letters SP has in stock.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: woody on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:53:28
Why the decision to name arrow keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Minskleip on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:53:35
Standard kit does not include 0-9 and F1-F12?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:57:52
Quote from: Minskleip;263499
Standard kit does not include 0-9 and F1-F12?


It will be a full 104-key set plus Geek Hack, plus Caps and Control in both versions.

Quote from: woody;263498
Why the decision to name arrow keys?

I don't like arrows. But if the majority likes arrows, it will be arrows and up, down, left, right will become an extra.

I also like the text in all-caps. Maybe I set up a poll on that later.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:02:53
Quote from: ripster;263506
Who will make them?


Signature Plastics (http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:03:05
mac-style modifiers please
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:03:44
Quote from: Minskleip;263499
Standard kit does not include 0-9 and F1-F12?

At 104 keys, I assume it must include those.

I'd like to echo the lack of arrows question from above. And when you say "please refer to round 2" for differently colored or off centered font, what do you mean? Thanks!

*arrow question answered, please ignore that one*
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:10:43
Quote from: JinDesu;263510
At 104 keys, I assume it must include those.

I'd like to echo the lack of arrows question from above. And when you say "please refer to round 2" for differently colored or off centered font, what do you mean? Thanks!

*arrow question answered, please ignore that one*


If I don't fix at least something, it will end in the same chaos as round 2. Leaving everything open for discussion, will never lead to an actual set of keycaps.

I do not want to take over round 2. The only outcome of round 2 so far is: it will have off-center, if doable slanted, labeling in a (at least to me) wired color scheme.

On the other hand, I know that there are lots of people who missed round 1 or just want a national or alternate layout.

That's the idea.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:22:19
Count me in for a set.
How about up, down, left,right text and arrows?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:23:22
double post due to lag in the hotel.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: woody on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:26:32
Quote from: 7bit;263503
I don't like arrows. But if the majority likes arrows, it will be arrows and up, down, left, right will become an extra.

You'd better move textual arrows into the Modifier or other set.[/QUOTE]

The general direction is right - less options, less chaos.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Minskleip on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:41:50
Sign me up for a standard set. I like your idea for the numpad!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:07:22
Quote from: ripster;263515
I also have found Moby **** Hunters and Pandas to wander aimlessly in the sea and forest.

So I assume they will look like this?  Not the layout, but I mean the keys and stuff.
Show Image
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1286/5190906888_5f814dac28_b.jpg)



Keys yes, stuff not.

Quote

And I'm not getting the Arrow key thing.  Or Windows Key hate.

It's quite nice.
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5259476993_ffa5a11123_z.jpg)


Windows key will be included if the majority wants it. Same for arrows. If not, it is also possible to add it as an extra.

I will collect those whishes and set up polls on these.

ps: What about a key labeled WINDOWS for a change?


Quote from: Hofy;263517
Count me in for a set.
How about up, down, left,right text and arrows?


I think it would be doable within that price to include 4 arrow keys in the standard set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:19:07
Will there be a Norwegian set ? Just asking for my friend who bought the Ducky 9008; but may be interested if there was a Norwegian set :X

So i'm guessing it would look something like this

Dk-9008
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5241894359_3cea28b6b1_z.jpg )


G80-3494
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/G80-3494/DB1.jpg)

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/G80-3494/DB2.jpg)


Filco
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ja6XW7vy_VA/TPx8-uFcDbI/AAAAAAAC1eE/Bnjn6CSyO2Q/s800/IMG_7476.jpg)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13666&stc=1&d=1290773552)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:36:44
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263536
Will there be a Norwegian set ? Just asking for my friend who bought the Ducky 9008; but may be interested if there was a Norwegian set :X

So i'm guessing it would look something like this

Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5241894359_3cea28b6b1_z.jpg )


*image courtesy of a Panda


Set up a poll on that, if there are 25 sets to be ordered, each set will cost around $10.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:46:48
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263536

Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5241894359_3cea28b6b1_z.jpg )


Ha! Just noticed the Y and T swapped.


So what if I'm late to the party.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:48:46
I'm in for one standard set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 12:52:20
Quote from: mkawa;263509
mac-style modifiers please


Could you please be more specific on these?

Text-only is doable.

Please notice that ⌘ or the apple-logo are most likely not available.

SP can create these, but it will cost a lot extra $$$ I'm afraid.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: chuckading on Wed, 15 December 2010, 13:14:48
Quote from: 7bit;263557
Could you please be more specific on these?

Text-only is doable.

Please notice that ⌘ or the apple-logo are most likely not available.

SP can create these, but it will cost a lot extra $$$ I'm afraid.



Using text, "Command" would work as the extra modifier keys for mac users.
Since "Control" is spelled out, and works with all key sets, "Command" would match and is in text.


Count me in for a set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 13:29:57
Quote from: chuckading;263561
Using text, "Command" would work as the extra modifier keys for mac users.
Since "Control" is spelled out, and works with all key sets, "Command" would match and is in text.

Count me in for a set.


'Command' added to Modifier kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: dewaere on Wed, 15 December 2010, 13:35:59
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5241894359_3cea28b6b1_z.jpg)

If I can get that for my Filco 105 keys, french layout, Im in.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: steeef on Wed, 15 December 2010, 14:27:26
I'm in for a standard set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: SpatiallyAware on Wed, 15 December 2010, 14:34:05
Why is F5-F8 a different color?  It really stands out; that's the only thing holding me back from placing an order.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 15 December 2010, 14:48:37
YES! Now i don't have to do the other one, but if it's gonna be the same as the first set imma be out.
Title: Carry on with Round 2!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:06:22
Quote from: panda-R;263598
YES! Now i don't have to do the other one, but if it's gonna be the same as the first set imma be out.


I'm very disappointed! I thought you would come up with something entirely different and would just take your time for preparation end enquiration.

To be serious:
I don't want to steal Round 2 away from you. I just felt that Round 2 will not be what I want or need. The idea is to do some extra keys, plus some national layouts. It will not be the same as Round 1, because all labels will be centered and maybe in all-caps.

I would really love if you would carry on with Round 2, what ever outcome it will have!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:11:10
Quote from: SpatiallyAware;263593
Why is F5-F8 a different color?  It really stands out; that's the only thing holding me back from placing an order.


It's the usual 2-color layout.

What would you like? All function keys in black or in grey?

Quote from: dewaere;263579

If I can get that for my Filco 105 keys, french layout, Im in.

French layout is available, if there are 25 sets ordered. (or maybe less, at a higher per set price.)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:19:02
105-key ISO SW/FI would add up to? Possible even?

Also just standard, alphapet section including, modifier and other keys...

Also, how much one off very special layouts are? Like:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/KB_Finnish_Multilingual.svg/500px-KB_Finnish_Multilingual.svg.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:23:25
I'm in for a standard set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: CeeSA on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:24:27
1 std, 1 AT/DE/SE kit for me plz
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:39:00
Quote from: Ekaros;263608
So, SE is SE/FI?
Full 105-key ISO SE/FI would add up to?

Also, how much one off very special layouts are? Like:
Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/KB_Finnish_Multilingual.svg/500px-KB_Finnish_Multilingual.svg.png)


My plan is to do DE and SE layout in one set, because they do not differ that much.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/KB_Sweden.svg/400px-KB_Sweden.svg.png)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/KB_Germany.svg/400px-KB_Germany.svg.png)

(Most of that blue stuff on both layouts will not appear on my set.)

Finnish layout looks quite different, if you really want all those blue labels as well. The problem is, that those extra letters on the A-Z-keys will spoil the simple centered layout (for that reason there will be no EUR-sign on European layouts).

It is doable, but be aware that there is only one text-color available, as SP can't do tripple shot key caps!

Also you need some others to order a Finnish set, to get a reasonable price.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:44:25
Quote from: 7bit;263613
My plan is to do DE and SE layout in one set, because they do not differ that much.

Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/KB_Sweden.svg/400px-KB_Sweden.svg.png)


Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/KB_Germany.svg/400px-KB_Germany.svg.png)


(Most of that blue stuff on both layouts will not appear on my set.)

Finnish layout looks quite different, if you really want all those blue labels as well. The problem is, that those extra letters on the A-Z-keys will spoil the simple centered layout (for that reason there will be no EUR-sign on European layouts).

It is doable, but be aware that there is only one text-color available, as SP can't do tripple shot key caps!

Also you need some others to order a Finnish set, to get a reasonable price.

Acctualy that's just my dream, might have to get it lasered some time...

Ah, so SE stands for Sweden, which is same layout as Finnish one. I'm just more used with SW... I'm happy with it if it's include num-row and other special character buttons too...

Apart from € on E and µ, all blue labels are included? Which is my main concern.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:47:11
@7bit

I hope that I've saved you some work!

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/round3_UK_extra.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:48:22
Quote from: 7bit;263605
I'm very disappointed! I thought you would come up with something entirely different and would just take your time for preparation end enquiration.

To be serious:
I don't want to steal Round 2 away from you. I just felt that Round 2 will not be what I want or need. The idea is to do some extra keys, plus some national layouts. It will not be the same as Round 1, because all labels will be centered and maybe in all-caps.

I would really love if you would carry on with Round 2, what ever outcome it will have!



DOOOOOOOOD!

ok well since you put it that way then I'mma still think of something for round two or round 10 whatever it comes to then, most likely I don't want to do anything similiar but I think lots of people still want round 1 stuff.

*HUGZ*
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:49:56
Quote from: panda-R;263619
DOOOOOOOOD!

ok well since you put it that way then I'mma still think of something for round two or round 10 whatever it comes to then, most likely I don't want to do anything similiar but I think lots of people still want round 1 stuff.

*HUGZ*


Yeah, there are specials, but I see this might be oportunity for those non UK/US-layouts...

Hmm, do I need a few red-esc keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:51:11
I might like it more if there was an option for black spacebar and black F1-F12 keys.

Edit: Black spacebar is already an option. Just the F1-F4 & F8-F12 then.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:11:25
I'd be in for a full set, plus a modifier, number, and function kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:11:29
Quote from: Ekaros;263615
Acctualy that's just my dream, might have to get it lasered some time...

Ah, so SE stands for Sweden, which is same layout as Finnish one. I'm just more used with SW... I'm happy with it if it's include num-row and other special character buttons too...

Apart from € on E and µ, all blue labels are included? Which is my main concern.


7 to 0 [,{,},] are doable if needed. 2 to 5 will be different between SE and DE layout. Might get a little more expansive, will enquire on that later.

ps: ISO country codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#SE).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:14:29
Quote from: 7bit;263628
7 to 0 [,{,},] are doable if needed. 2 to 5 will be different between SE and DE layout. Might get a little more expansive, will enquire on that later.

ps: ISO country codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#SE).

I prefer perfection, there is minute differences, also with a few modifications mainly two letter-keys and two other keys I think danish is same as SW/FI...
Not that I'm interst in those...

Might order two sets if they are up to spec.

PS: Just to get in semantics, for Swedish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_language) sv or swe is used... Nothing can't ever be simple...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: arc2 on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:22:48
If this was available with the UK kit I would be in.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 2084 on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:24:43
So I suppose you will ship from Germany after you'll get the package from Signature? Asking because of shipping costs later
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:25:55
Quote from: db_Iodine;263622
I might like it more if there was an option for black spacebar and black F1-F12 keys.

Edit: Black spacebar is already an option. Just the F1-F4 & F8-F12 then.


There are F13-F24 in the Function key set. If nobody wants those, I will add all black F1-F12. But mayby it is possible to add black F1 to F12 anyway. I will keep that in mind....
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:43:26
I definitely want the function key set. But I have a POS keyboard, so I have that row of keys.

I might be the only one, though...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:44:52
7bit,

how compatible are these kits and extras with the MO1 keyset ?

You mentioned the color scheme is the same exact; but what about the fonts is it the same ? The reason i ask is because maybe those of us from Mo1 may be interested in the kits; so hopefully the look would be consistent.


And what exactly is in these 2 kits

6. Colemak kit @ $5

7. Dvorak kit @ $8
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:51:35
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263636
7bit,

how compatible are these kits and extras with the MO1 keyset ?

You mentioned the color scheme is the same exact; but what about the fonts is it the same ?


If there is no consensus if the colors should be darker or lighter, or if the majority agrees to have the same colors again, it will be compatible to Round 1. The difference is that this time all labels are centered. It will be the same font, because
- signature has nothing else in stock (other font would be very costly)
- I like it that way;-)

It will also be the same profile. I thought about SA-profile, but they told me they can only do row 3 for Cherry switches in SA-profile.

So, if you just want the extras without the standard kit: be welcome!

Colemak and Dvorak kits contain all the additional caps needed to have these layouts, including keys with the nubs usually at F and J.

I will post all those layouts one after the other.


Quote from: theferenc;263635
I definitely want the function key set. But I have a POS keyboard, so I have that row of keys.

I might be the only one, though...


Be sure, you are not alone! :-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:11:02
Quote from: 2084;263633
So I suppose you will ship from Germany after you'll get the package from Signature? Asking because of shipping costs later


Now comes the tricky part:

That point is not yet decided. I will need someone in the US to do the key collation job. I don't think it's a good idea to ship everything half around the planet, and then ship most of the parcels back.

Also, a big parcel will cost import duty, so I not even think it will pay out for shipping within the EU.

So shipping will be most likely the same as in Round 1.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:22:05
Quote from: 7bit;263557
Could you please be more specific on these?

Text-only is doable.

Please notice that ⌘ or the apple-logo are most likely not available.

SP can create these, but it will cost a lot extra $$$ I'm afraid.
ideally:

Alt -> Command/Cmd (x2)
Win -> Option/Opt (x2)
Contextual Menu -> blank (x1)

Also, independent of macos, CapsLock -> Control would be nice
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: pipedream on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:27:22
So I skimmed this thread and couldn't find any mention about the Sprues. Will you get Signature Plastics to cast these new keys so that they have the Sprue on the back, instead of the front like last time?

Picture taken from the Round 1 thread:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/774/p1010795f.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/p1010795f.jpg/)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: woody on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:33:06
What pipedream said. I am easily offended by visible sprues (and grues).

There was a diamond key for OS substitution in Round 1. What are the symbols available at SP? Sorry if that last question has easy answer.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: woody on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:40:55
Grit, but not the true one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:53:20
Quote from: mkawa;263646
ideally:

Alt -> Command/Cmd (x2)
Win -> Option/Opt (x2)
Contextual Menu -> blank (x1)

Also, independent of macos, CapsLock -> Control would be nice


Command is already included.
Option could be included.
blanks should be cheaper than double-shots. I will enquire on that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 17:58:14
Quote from: pipedream;263650
So I skimmed this thread and couldn't find any mention about the Sprues. Will you get Signature Plastics to cast these new keys so that they have the Sprue on the back, instead of the front like last time?

Picture taken from the Round 1 thread:
Show Image
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/774/p1010795f.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/p1010795f.jpg/)


NO WAY! It would mean new tools => $$$$$$.

I don't know why they did these tools the wrong way around.
Cherry and IBM did them the right way.

So we have to live with these.

ps: An option would be, you enlist at SP as a key-caps-cutter,
cutting off those ~ 10'000 keys carefully with a knife.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: nathanscribe on Wed, 15 December 2010, 18:03:10
Just a quick question: there are two Command keys in the modifier set, yes?  Your 1st-page listing makes it look like just one.

If a couple of blank (1 1/4 size) were added to either the basic or modifier set, that would be good.  My interest is growing.  That black Cherry board looks fantastic with these keys...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 18:17:42
Quote from: nathanscribe;263667
Just a quick question: there are two Command keys in the modifier set, yes?  Your 1st-page listing makes it look like just one.

If a couple of blank (1 1/4 size) were added to either the basic or modifier set, that would be good.  My interest is growing.  That black Cherry board looks fantastic with these keys...


I thought one would be sufficient. The last time I used an apple-computer (running CP/M) was at school.

However, I will include 2 Command and 2 Option keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Parak on Wed, 15 December 2010, 19:29:48
I'd be quite interested in the possibility of double spaced (for matrix/pos) vertical and/or horizontal enter, shift, backspace, space and function keys to name a few. Also for the same application, single spaced versions of keys that are typically 1 1/4 (ctrl, alt, tab, etc) would be legendairy.

Failing that, it's already awesome that there's a colemak/dvorak option :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 15 December 2010, 19:40:27
Quote from: pipedream;263650
So I skimmed this thread and couldn't find any mention about the Sprues. Will you get Signature Plastics to cast these new keys so that they have the Sprue on the back, instead of the front like last time?

Picture taken from the Round 1 thread:
Show Image
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/774/p1010795f.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/p1010795f.jpg/)


now i know why Rip watermarks his pics, I've been plagerised!
but yea prolly nothing can be done about this noobish keycap 101 noobie mistake, like i suggested b4, sandpaper and spit!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Pylon on Wed, 15 December 2010, 20:36:11
I'm not going to place an order since I don't own any Cherry keyboards  , but how about a PBT spacebar?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: erik.m.nelson77 on Wed, 15 December 2010, 21:03:13
I actually just registered for this forum because of this thread. I have a new cherry POS keyboard, and f13-f24 would be wonderful! But I would like to check- you are only going to order one type of set, correct?

(Matching F1-F24 plus replacement extra keys would be AMAZING, but I doubt that is possible..)

Other people with POS keyboards who mentioned this- perhaps we - AKA someone with more than a single post- could organize an order for a function set? I have a cheryy MX 8100 and the relegendable keys are.. lackluster. And I personally do not have the money for a full set :/
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: vegaman on Wed, 15 December 2010, 21:48:00
Would there be any chance of single width Ctrl, Win, Alt... keys for a Cherry G80-1865 and similar layouts? They're the same profile as the keys below the home row (sorry I'm not sure the right name, but the row with zxc...) If not it's no big deal, still quite interested in this.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: iMav on Wed, 15 December 2010, 23:55:33
I'm in for a standard set (and would like command and option keys if possible).

As I currently don't own a Filco, I will probably be putting a set on a Leopold once they are available for sale...

No key puller?  ;)


Also, count me in if you need a US distro point.  I"m mailing stuff out to geekhackers all the time as it is.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 01:50:06
Quote from: Parak;263727
I'd be quite interested in the possibility of double spaced (for matrix/pos) vertical and/or horizontal enter, shift, backspace, space and function keys to name a few. Also for the same application, single spaced versions of keys that are typically 1 1/4 (ctrl, alt, tab, etc) would be legendairy.

Failing that, it's already awesome that there's a colemak/dvorak option :D


There is still room for inclusion of single-spaced keys. These have the cheapest per key price. Please tell me which keys you need and at which row.


Quote from: erik.m.nelson77;263768
I actually just registered for this forum because of this thread. I have a new cherry POS keyboard, and f13-f24 would be wonderful! But I would like to check- you are only going to order one type of set, correct?

(Matching F1-F24 plus replacement extra keys would be AMAZING, but I doubt that is possible..)

Other people with POS keyboards who mentioned this- perhaps we - AKA someone with more than a single post- could organize an order for a function set? I have a cheryy MX 8100 and the relegendable keys are.. lackluster. And I personally do not have the money for a full set :/


Welcome to GeekHack!

There are 4 guys now ffor F13-F24 so I will include these along with the black F1-F4, F8-F12 in tto the function pack.

Again, please tell me which keys you need and at what position.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: HungryPillow on Thu, 16 December 2010, 01:57:43
I'm in for a standard kit. Will there be the orange WASD keys or can we choose a color? Or no to both?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: sixty on Thu, 16 December 2010, 01:59:24
Btw, while we are at this. We should also make a special spacebar/second spacebar for the new and upcoming Leopold boards since sooner or later a lot of people now ordering the set will end up with those. They are entirely different from Filco/Ducky/Cherry. I can measure out mine later if this order sets off before the public launch of those keyboards.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 02:03:54
Quote from: iMav;263826
I'm in for a standard set (and would like command and option keys if possible).

As I currently don't own a Filco, I will probably be putting a set on a Leopold once they are available for sale...

No key puller?  ;)


Command and Option is already included into the modifier kit.
No key puller this time. I don't kno if they sell them separately. Maybe, if there are enough orders, it could be added as an extra. Should be no more expansive as the last time.

Quote from: iMav;263826

Also, count me in if you need a US distro point.  I"m mailing stuff out to geekhackers all the time as it is.


Would be great if you could do that collation and distribution job. I would be pleased to do that myself, but I'm afraid it will be too costly to ship the whole bunch over to me.

PS: your new old avatar looks much more sympathetic!

PS/2: Thanks for running this website, which brings us all together to make thinks like this happen!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 02:12:57
Quote from: sixty;263855
Btw, while we are at this. We should also make a special spacebar/second spacebar for the new and upcoming Leopold boards since sooner or later a lot of people now ordering the set will end up with those. They are entirely different from Filco/Ducky/Cherry. I can measure out mine later if this order sets off before the public launch of those keyboards.


I don't know if SP can make that spacebar, ie if the are flexible in placing the key-stems at a different position. Please give me the details or enquire that directly at SP.

Thanks for mentioning this.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 02:24:36
Quote from: HungryPillow;263853
I'm in for a standard kit. Will there be the orange WASD keys or can we choose a color? Or no to both?[/QUOTE
]
Thats a sort of extra which will not go into any of the kits listed.

From Round 1 I know that the price for 50 sets orange WASD will be @ $3.20 per set.

I will set up a separate poll on these extra whishes.

Color is fixed, except it might be a bit darker or lighter.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 16 December 2010, 02:25:51
Quote from: 7bit;263851
There is still room for inclusion of single-spaced keys. These have the cheapest per key price. Please tell me which keys you need and at which row.




Welcome to GeekHack!

There are 4 guys now ffor F13-F24 so I will include these along with the black F1-F4, F8-F12 in tto the function pack.

Again, please tell me which keys you need and at what position.


Let's hope there are more people interested in all black F-keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: HungryPillow on Thu, 16 December 2010, 03:54:10
Quote from: 7bit;263862
Quote from: HungryPillow;263853
I'm in for a standard kit. Will there be the orange WASD keys or can we choose a color? Or no to both?[/QUOTE
]
Thats a sort of extra which will not go into any of the kits listed.

From Round 1 I know that the price for 50 sets orange WASD will be @ $3.20 per set.

I will set up a separate poll on these extra whishes.

Color is fixed, except it might be a bit darker or lighter.


OK I'm also in for the colored WASD and all black F1-F12 keys :) Thanks.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: nathanscribe on Thu, 16 December 2010, 03:55:08
Quote from: 7bit;263662
blanks should be cheaper than double-shots. I will enquire on that.


Please do.  A blank to replace the Menu key would be great.

Is there a projected timescale for this, by the way?  No deadline for orders, payment etc.?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 16 December 2010, 04:08:56
Quote from: 7bit;263641
If there is no consensus if the colors should be darker or lighter, or if the majority agrees to have the same colors again, it will be compatible to Round 1. The difference is that this time all labels are centered. It will be the same font, because
- signature has nothing else in stock (other font would be very costly)
- I like it that way;-)

It will also be the same profile. I thought about SA-profile, but they told me they can only do row 3 for Cherry switches in SA-profile.

So, if you just want the extras without the standard kit: be welcome!


I think i understand what you mean about the alignment. So the alphabets which already are centered will be the same as this mo; also assuming the size is also the same.

But the numbers, functions keys, window, control, alt, shift, tab, enter, numpad etc etc is all going to be centered ???

To be honest i don't think it will look good like that. Also it's better to keep it the same like Mo1 this way more people can participate by ordering just the cheaper kits to supplement their Mo1 full set.

Because it's gonna look weird when using the colemak kit that some of the keys are centered; and others are not.

Same reason why colors should also be same as Mo1.

So hopefully we can do a poll to keep the font/alignment/color from Mo1 for compatibility sake so 50+ people from Mo1 can participate without having to buy a full set again :{



Quote
Colemak and Dvorak kits contain all the additional caps needed to have these layouts, including keys with the nubs usually at F and J.

I will post all those layouts one after the other.


Yeah i hope to see this :X
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 04:13:41
Quote from: nathanscribe;263878
Please do.  A blank to replace the Menu key would be great.

Is there a projected timescale for this, by the way?  No deadline for orders, payment etc.?


Please take a look at the first page from time to time. I will add whishes to the kits. For every kit I left some air to add more keys. I think that one blank is doable.

I will wait until after Christmas. I think December 31 will be a good deadline to add to the wish-list.[1]

Currently I don't take orders, just collect whishes to be added. Once that list stablizes I will ask SP for exact prices again and prepare the order forms.

[1] Important: deadline to add to Santa's 2010-whish-list is December 24, 00:00 !!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Thu, 16 December 2010, 04:41:16
I am also in for a standard set plus DE-language set.

However I do have 2 wishes:
1) key puller

2) I really liked the orange WASD keys from the last order. HOWEVER I don't play WASD but ESDF so it doesn't bother me that those weren't included so far. STILL I would LOVE some orange keys to replace my ESDF with! I would prefer blanks but that makes double shots moot.
So how about orange arrow keys? White still works on orange as we saw from WASD. Having a set of orange arrow keys in one of the modifier packs or seperately should be feasible, no? Alternatively, the arrows could just be on the side of the keys instead of on top, which I also like quite a lot.


Hope someone besides me would be in for that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 16 December 2010, 04:49:22
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;263887
So how about orange arrow keys?
Sticking with the theme maybe they could say
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 04:58:51
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263881
...
But the numbers, functions keys, window, control, alt, shift, tab, enter, numpad etc etc is all going to be centered ???

All centered! That's the deal. A-Z are centered, so everythinelse must be centered as well. Symmetry is very important!

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263881

To be honest i don't think it will look good like that. Also it's better to keep it the same like Mo1 this way more people can participate by ordering just
the cheaper kits to supplement their Mo1 full set.


What about a top-row supplement set for those who just want a national/alternate layout as add on for MO1? (`~ to +=) ?

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263881

Because it's gonna look weird when using the colemak kit that some of the keys are centered; and others are not.

Same reason why colors should also be same as Mo1.

Colemak does not involve changes to the top rows.

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263881

So hopefully we can do a poll to keep the font/alignment/color from Mo1 for compatibility sake so 50+ people from Mo1 can participate without having to buy a full set again :{

Yeah i hope to see this :X

Color and profile: yes.

Off-center: NO WAY!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 05:04:27
Quote from: Twitchy;263890
Sticking with the theme maybe they could say
  • Forward (or forth)
  • Back
  • Left
  • Right


I will set up a poll on that oranje stuff including so far:

WASD, ESDF, Forward, Back, left, Right and most presumably a GeekHack-key plus key puller.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: vegaman on Thu, 16 December 2010, 05:16:16
Quote from: 7bit;263851
There is still room for inclusion of single-spaced keys. These have the cheapest per key price. Please tell me which keys you need and at which row.


If possible in single width I'd want Ctrl, Win, Alt, Alt, Win, Context menu key, Ctrl (all the keys at the bottom). At least on my board they're the same profile as the zxc... row. Hopefully there's others that need single width too and they can confirm if theirs are the same profile.
I'd be happy with blank keys for these ones if others are too.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 06:43:42
Quote from: vegaman;263900
If possible in single width I'd want Ctrl, Win, Alt, Alt, Win, Context menu key, Ctrl (all the keys at the bottom). At least on my board they're the same profile as the zxc... row. Hopefully there's others that need single width too and they can confirm if theirs are the same profile.
I'd be happy with blank keys for these ones if others are too.


I will set up an additoinal poll as soon as possible, including:

POS-kit: everything useful for POS-keyboards
Oranje-kit: all that childish gaming stuff plus toys;-)
NO, FI, ES: serious stuff for other languages.
top-row supplement `~ to =+ (13 keys from Standard set):
for cheapskates who can't stand a mess-up of off-center and centered keys in the top row.

More to come, be patient ...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 16 December 2010, 06:56:03
I see how easily these things can get derailled as the clamour for more options increases.

Nice work 7bit.:thumb:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 16 December 2010, 07:10:20
That's why you have to go with the "Here it is. Who wants it?" approach.  Otherwise, you get bogged down in opinions.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 07:15:24
Quote from: Twitchy;263928
I see how easily these things can get derailled as the clamour for more options increases.

Nice work 7bit.:thumb:


Nothing gets derailled here!

I will just add some new tracks, if necessary.

Maybe some lead to a dead-end, if there are not enough people to get on the train.

I'm into that POS-stuff as well, so there are good chances on that to come true, for a start. Same with those Modifier, Function and Numeric kits. I did not vote myself and be sure I will take more than one of each set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Parak on Thu, 16 December 2010, 07:51:08
Quote from: vegaman;263900
If possible in single width I'd want Ctrl, Win, Alt, Alt, Win, Context menu key, Ctrl (all the keys at the bottom). At least on my board they're the same profile as the zxc... row. Hopefully there's others that need single width too and they can confirm if theirs are the same profile.
I'd be happy with blank keys for these ones if others are too.


Well, the DCS family is the same profile for both of the rows. In addition to the aforementioned I'd also be interested in single width backslash, tab, and some type of modifier key other than function (like hyper). I'd get a couple of sets of those (at least 3).

I'm still holding out for double width space/shift/enter/backspace/function (and maybe delete), but there's not much interest in those I think. Maybe I'll do a custom order myself eventually.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 08:03:38
Quote from: Parak;263939
Well, the DCS family is the same profile for both of the rows. In addition to the aforementioned I'd also be interested in single width backslash, tab, and some type of modifier key other than function (like hyper). I'd get a couple of sets of those (at least 3).

I'm still holding out for double width space/shift/enter/backspace/function (and maybe delete), but there's not much interest in those I think. Maybe I'll do a custom order myself eventually.


Once again, pease tell me which row! I need to know that in order to decide to add it into that POS-kit or as for \  or \ |  to be added into the Numeric kit.
I would be maybe interested in some of these myself!!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: dewaere on Thu, 16 December 2010, 08:09:13
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;263887
I am also in for a standard set plus DE-language set.

However I do have 2 wishes:
1) key puller

2) I really liked the orange WASD keys from the last order. HOWEVER I don't play WASD but ESDF so it doesn't bother me that those weren't included so far. STILL I would LOVE some orange keys to replace my ESDF with! I would prefer blanks but that makes double shots moot.
So how about orange arrow keys? White still works on orange as we saw from WASD. Having a set of orange arrow keys in one of the modifier packs or seperately should be feasible, no? Alternatively, the arrows could just be on the side of the keys instead of on top, which I also like quite a lot.


Hope someone besides me would be in for that.


I'd be in for that, especially for the arrows or forw/back/left/right stuff cause I use either WASD or ESDF :)
I use RDFG actually (AZERTY)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 16 December 2010, 08:36:35
So, just out of curiosity, these are cylindrical rather than spherical keys, right? Does SP even do spherical keys? Cause that would be awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 08:46:20
Quote from: theferenc;263959
So, just out of curiosity, these are cylindrical rather than spherical keys, right? Does SP even do spherical keys? Cause that would be awesome.


Right.

I would have loved these sphericals too, but Mrs. Signature Plastics told me, they are only available for row 3. They could make them, but again: $$$$$.

:-(
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 08:56:28
Quote from: ripster;263967
See my "Signature Plastics Novelty Keys (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:9617)" post for sphericals.  Can't remember their three letter code for these.  Notice they are lying about only being able to do one font.
...


She told me they do SA-family usualy for single keys only.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9275&stc=1&d=1271715420)
Your image shows what she actually told me: row-3-profile (the 2 in the middle).

She did not say they can't do them, but they will be quite costly. I will ask her about the price of a full layout at 25 or 50 sets.

As for the font, I hope they stick to their lie as long as they can!!! :-)

BTW: I had not seen any slanted stuff on any of their key caps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:13:55
Just updating my wishes.  1 Standard set, 1 Numeric, 1 Function and 1 WASD.

If iMav is the US coordinator, I can be of assistance as I live about an hour away.  It will depend on my 24/7 schedule though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:21:23
I only have one problem with this so far:

A sole standard kit would be kinda useless for me, I would defo need a DE layout kit to complement. But I only saw 4 or 6 votes for these.

Do you need 50 for each kit or 50 in total to make it feasible?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:22:41
So, which of these are for red esc and "ANY KEY"? ;D Those look like intresting ;D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:29:12
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;263988
I only have one problem with this so far:

A sole standard kit would be kinda useless for me, I would defo need a DE layout kit to complement. But I only saw 4 or 6 votes for these.

Do you need 50 for each kit or 50 in total to make it feasible?


Prices are for 25 sets with some air in them, meaning they will be a bit cheaper actually. This thing is up for less than 24 h! Be patient to let others discover or decide on that. Also one or another maybe want 2 sets?

If there are only 12 orders for that layout, everyone will pay less than 25 $ per set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Parak on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:53:45
Quote from: 7bit;263947
Once again, pease tell me which row! I need to know that in order to decide to add it into that POS-kit or as for \  or \ |  to be added into the Numeric kit.
I would be maybe interested in some of these myself!!!


Sorrie :D

Single width \| can be either row 2 (as standard on qwerty row) or row 4 (spacebar row). People will have this in either standard location or somewhere more convenient on the reprogrammable boards (like row 4 in my case), so for flexibility purposes, the less of an angle the better I'd think (row 2 dcs is 3 degrees). Honestly, having the key as single width is already huge, so I can deal with the angle differences. I'm used to it :p

Single width Tab: Row 2

Ctrl, Win, Alt, Menu, Hyper (or whichever you'd prefer): Row 4 spacebar

(if you decide to do them) Double width (goes on top of two switches) space/shift/enter/backspace/function/delete: These are fairly quirky as far as angles go, since they can be vertical or horizontal and people will place them in weird locations. I think that either row 3 or no angle at all (SP might force this) would be the best compromise for a set of these.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 16 December 2010, 09:59:42
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;263881
I think i understand what you mean about the alignment. So the alphabets which already are centered will be the same as this mo; also assuming the size is also the same.

But the numbers, functions keys, window, control, alt, shift, tab, enter, numpad etc etc is all going to be centered ???


See

Quote from: 7bit;263485

--------------
[1] If you want off-center labels, or a different color (e.g. pink),
please refer to Round TWO (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12682)!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 10:43:57
Quote from: Parak;264007
Sorrie :D

Single width \| can be either row 2 (as standard on qwerty row) or row 4 (spacebar row). People will have this in either standard location or somewhere more convenient on the reprogrammable boards (like row 4 in my case), so for flexibility purposes, the less of an angle the better I'd think (row 2 dcs is 3 degrees). Honestly, having the key as single width is already huge, so I can deal with the angle differences. I'm used to it :p

Single width Tab: Row 2

Ctrl, Win, Alt, Menu, Hyper (or whichever you'd prefer): Row 4 spacebar

(if you decide to do them) Double width (goes on top of two switches) space/shift/enter/backspace/function/delete: These are fairly quirky as far as angles go, since they can be vertical or horizontal and people will place them in weird locations. I think that either row 3 or no angle at all (SP might force this) would be the best compromise for a set of these.


Now I know what you mean: 2-sized caps with 2 stems, which are mountable, eg over F1 and F2, or PgUp and PgDn or so.
I will enquire pricing for that.

Consider \| included to both rows into the numerical set.
Single-space Ctrl, Win, Alt, Menu, Hyper are already on the list.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: nathanscribe on Thu, 16 December 2010, 13:40:32
1xStandard and 1xModifier for me I think.  Naturally I'll need another keyboard to put my "spare" keys on.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 16 December 2010, 14:42:34
has arrows vs up/down/left/right been decided? i strongly prefer arrows
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 14:50:11
Quote from: mkawa;264172
has arrows vs up/down/left/right been decided? i strongly prefer arrows


OK, arrows will be included to the standard set, along with Up, Down, Left, Right.

For gamer keys, please wait for a separate poll to show up over the week-end.

ps: I added AT/DE/SE-layout-kit to first post.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:00:13
Quote from: ripster;264178
The Cherry Ones are the best, Signature's are kinda stubby.
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5007/5267206384_131bab5629_z.jpg)

By all means:

Go, e-mail Cherry, ask for prices on double shots, setup a poll, keep track of wishes, enquire on possibility and prices of special wishes.

I will fetch the package directly from the factory and do the collation of these sharp-edged keys, plus shipping.

That's promised!

:-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:08:31
Quote from: 7bit;264175
OK, arrows will be included to the standard set, along with Up, Down, Left, Right.

For gamer keys, please wait for a separate poll to show up over the week-end.

ps: I added AT/DE/SE-layout-kit to first post.


Have to consider this, missing those Alt Gr-s atleast for {[]}, makes me bit uneasy...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:17:36
Quote from: ripster;264186
Alas, somebody asked Cherry and they said no way would they ever sell keys separately.  I suspect there is equipment still at the German and Chinese equivalent of Signature gathering dust somewhere.

Anyway, my point is it never hurts to ask if Signature has the molds for different arrows.


Ah, sorry! I did not think of that. I thought you where again complaining about SP-keys are not sturdy enough, or so.

I will ask Mrs. Signature about that arrow issue.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:52:53
Quote from: Ekaros;264187
Have to consider this, missing those Alt Gr-s atleast for {[]}, makes me bit uneasy...


Thought it will look much better this way. Also, ...

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13834&stc=1&d=1291674194)

..., there exist keyboards in German layout, without that {[]}-stuff in the number row.

But I will see what I can do. It's not my layout, so if you like it that way, I don't want to complain.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Minskleip on Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:06:51
Having large centred numbers for the number row too would be very cool.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:15:41
Quote from: Minskleip;264216
Having large centred numbers for the number row too would be very cool.


The numbers will be slightly larger than in my layout-samples. But if you mean just plain 1234567890 for the number row, I think I will put this into the next poll.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Minskleip on Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:18:55
Quote from: 7bit;264220
The numbers will be slightly larger than in my layout-samples. But if you mean just plain 1234567890 for the number row, I think I will put this into the next poll.


Yes, just like the numpad!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:41:25
Quote from: Minskleip;264223
Yes, just like the numpad!


It's really strange, one wants 3 or even more symbols squeezed onto a key, the other wants just one.

Black or grey? It's your choice![1]

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[1]Disclaimer: There must be a reasonable number of weired folks like you and me to include that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Minskleip on Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:52:17
Quote from: 7bit;264230
It's really strange, one wants 3 or even more symbols squeezed onto a key, the other wants just one.

Black or grey? It's your choice![1]

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[1]Disclaimer: There must be a reasonable number of weired folks like you and me to include that.


I want them grey, like the standard :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 16 December 2010, 17:15:27
Prices, given that there will be one order per vote, plus those I take for myself:  
Code: [Select]

price for 50 or 25 sets | votes | price
Standard kit ..... $50  |  44   |   $50
UK kit ............ $7  |   6   |   $28
AT/DE/SE kit ..... $14  |   5   |   $70
FR kit ........... $13  |   0   |   n/a
NL kit ........... $12  |   0   |   n/a
Colemak kit ....... $5  |   7   |   $16
Dvorak kit ........ $8  |   1   |  $200
Modifier kit ..... $18  |  18   |   $19
Numeric kit ...... $10  |  10   |   $16
Function kit ..... $10  |  15   |   $12


Not bad for one day.

Good night:-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: SuperPunch on Thu, 16 December 2010, 18:21:12
Count me in!  I love the dolch/round one color scheme and big centered legends; that was really a perfect set imo.

Thanks for doing this!

*Edit: i may even take two of the standard sets
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: iMav on Thu, 16 December 2010, 22:12:58
Quote from: SuperPunch;264275
Count me in!  I love the dolch/round one color scheme and big centered legends; that was really a perfect set imo.

I, too, like the first round hope to get something similar...really like the orange WASD (and key puller!) as well.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Snow_Fox on Fri, 17 December 2010, 01:37:55
I was just wondering if these would fit a U9BL.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 17 December 2010, 02:44:48
I only voted for standard 104-key set originally, but I'd totally be in for orange WASD and the keypuller. Also the black F1-F12 keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 02:52:44
Orange arrow keys would look cool.  I had WASD there on my Round 1 set for a while and it looked nice with the orange Geekhack key in the opposite corner.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 03:07:08
Quote from: RoboKrikit;264446
Orange arrow keys would look cool.  I had WASD there on my Round 1 set for a while and it looked nice with the orange Geekhack key in the opposite corner.


I will set up a 2nd poll about those extras today.

The gamer kit will at least include orange keys for WASD, ESDF, RDFG, 4 arrow-keys, Forward (or forth, or Forw), Back, Left, Right, plus an orange GeekHack-key.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: gacken on Fri, 17 December 2010, 03:25:24
okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 17 December 2010, 04:04:46
Quote from: gacken;264454
okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?


There are two reasons. You are correct to say aesthetic reasons but there's also the fact that these are double shot keys. Double shot keys have the legends/letters moulded into them in a different coloured plastic. So where Filco's printed legends will wear off, double shot legends will last as long as the rest of the key.

The German set will only be made up of keys not in the US "standard" set. If you have a German layout keyboard buy the standard set PLUS the german set to give you everything you need to completely replace your keys.

Most european layouts are based on ISO. Ignoring legends the basic ISO layout is different to the ANSI layout used in the US (Note the left hand shift key and the return key).

ANSI
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14047&d=1292429949)

ISO
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14088&d=1292531681)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 04:11:28
Quote from: gacken;264454
okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?


Welcome to Geek Hack!

These replacements are for:
- people who own a keyboard with lasered (read: low quality) key caps
- people who need/want extra keys to satisfy their asorted tastes (POSers/Gamers/Geeks/Programmers/System-nerds;-).
- aestetics (click at my Cherry G80-3000HPCUS-2 link below, to see the difference).

Except for that J-shaped Return and that 1 1/4 width left Shift, they will fit an US-ANSI keybaord. Same for any of those national layouts.
Title: preparation for additional poll
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 07:58:22
Are there any wishes for additional kits, special languge or alternate layouts?

I ask, because  I have got 3 poll-options left for the next poll and don't know what else to include.


here is what I've got so far:

Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:15:12
@ 7bit

Just noticed your avatar. Nice!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: msiegel on Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:34:12
Quote from: Twitchy;264467
*great diagrams*


did you make those diagrams? they're great :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:35:33
I'd appreciate it if you could post the picture of the Colemak kit when your able to.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 17 December 2010, 11:55:17
Quote from: msiegel;264623
did you make those diagrams? they're great :D


No they're all 7bit's work, I stole them from the OP.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 12:15:04
Quote from: Twitchy;264615
@ 7bit

Just noticed your avatar. Nice!


I wondered how long it takes that someone spots this.

This is no artwork! I pulld 11 caps for this, put those on for the picture and pulled them again, because it was a bit irritating;-)

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;264624
I'd appreciate it if you could post the picture of the Colemak kit when your able to.


I added the scheme for Colemak. Please notice that Backspace in the Caps Lock position is missing. Rub Out is part of the modifier kit, but if this is not OK for Colemak-fetishists, I can add Backspace at no extra charge, given that at least 25 sets are sold.

Quote from: Twitchy;264679
No they're all 7bit's work, I stole them from the OP.


You can have/use them free of charge.

In reality these are created with TeXdraw. I created a background image and once I finished a sheet, I put it on top of that background and save it as PNG.
Title: Awesome-stuff
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 12:31:59
Quote from: ripster;264626
Awesome Smiley Novelty Key.

With a little bit of effort Signature could make it awesome.
Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4749161990_9730cde82a_z.jpg)


Show Image
(http://img3.prosperent.com/images/250x250/rlv.zcache.com/awesome_smiley_face_awesome_face_tshirt-p235327607573557534qi42_400.jpg)


And if they can pop ASCII into a machine they can print this.  I can't even imagine the millions of dollars Signature plastic is leaving on the table, the unimaginative sots.
ಠ_ಠ

I will ask if they can make a ಠ_ಠ key. The 2 a-s sideways with an underscore should not be much of a problem. Don't know if they have these "a with dot in the middle" in stock.

If you want that Awesome-face, then draw a graphic with all measures, such that SP can create it. It will cost $$$, but if there are enough people who want to pay for it, I will include it as an extra.

PS: wait a second!  I said: no symbols!

So there will be an AWESOME FACE key included -- period!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Fri, 17 December 2010, 13:55:01
Quote from: 7bit;264701
I will ask if they can make a ಠ_ಠ key. The 2 a-s sideways with an underscore should not be much of a problem. Don't know if they have these "a with dot in the middle" in stock.


That is Unicode char "KANNADA LETTER TTHA (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/ca0/index.htm)" (U+0CA0).  If they have the extended Arial Unicode MS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial_Unicode_MS) font it should be in there.
Title: Numeric kit added
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 07:13:44
Numeric kit added.

There is still room for additional keys to be added to this.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14155&stc=1&d=1292764155) (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13462)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Soarer on Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:07:49
I hadn't voted for the numeric kit, but I would now! :-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:43:00
Quote from: Soarer;265657
I hadn't voted for the numeric kit, but I would now! :-)


I count your vote in.

Anyway, ...
Code: [Select]

Standard kit ...... $50   51
UK kit ............. $7    7
AT/DE/SE kit ...... $14    5
FR kit ............ $13    1
NL kit ............ $12    0
Colemak kit ........ $5    8
Dvorak kit ......... $8    2
Modifier kit ...... $18   18
Numeric kit ....... $10   11
Function kit ...... $10   16


The only kits which would not happen right now are FR, NL and Dvorak.

UK, AT/DE/SE and Colemak will be a bit more expansive if everybody takes only one set.

For Modifier, Numeric and Function you have to add at least 5 (for myself), so these are quite near the 25 sets minimum.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: lowpoly on Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:50:11
Std + Colemak for me. If Colemak will happen.

I'd prefer the alpha symbols to be a bit smaller.

And a suggestion for an extension pack: the darker keys in the lighter shade.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: sixty on Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:31:08
Dropping this in here too just to be safe.
(http://imgur.com/QPRIO.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:43:15
Quote from: sixty;265717
Dropping this in here too just to be safe.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/QPRIO.jpg)


Thanks for the pic. When we ask SP to do the Leopold-spacebar, we need the exact measures (maybe up to a 10-th of a millimeter; don't know what the tolerances are)

Sixty, could you please take the measures?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:52:31
Quote from: ripster;265667
OOoo.  A money key!

That one has to be green.
Show Image
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/77552/77552,1278885127,1/stock-photo-computer-keyboard-with-money-key-business-background-56955457.jpg)


LOL! That ain't no money key! That's a mathmode-, shell-variable-, end-of-line-, and many more purposes-key!!!

Everybody knows that is the sign for money!

Quote from: ripster;265667

And if they can do Wingdings 0x37....
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14157&stc=1&d=1292769311)


I will keep that 17 or 18-pin connector in mind for the next poll to be inclued to the Toy kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: adamgoldberg on Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:01:44
I'm in for a standard set (at least).

Also, I have all the gear necessary to ship from here, if there's still a need for a US-based shipper.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:20:28
Quote from: adamgoldberg;265760
I'm in for a standard set (at least).

Also, I have all the gear necessary to ship from here, if there's still a need for a US-based shipper.


You own a key caps collation machine? Why didn't you tell us before?

ps: Thanks for offering help, but I think I found at least two GHers to do the job.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: adamgoldberg on Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:37:05
Quote from: 7bit;265766
You own a key caps collation machine? Why didn't you tell us before?

ps: Thanks for offering help, but I think I found at least two GHers to do the job.
Ha!  I meant "I'm equipped to do (general-purpose) shipping from here"...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: AvroArrow on Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:09:06
Before I vote/commit, I just want something clarified.  So does the Standard Kit ($50+S&H) consists of:
- standard 104 keys (w/sterile numpad keys, text cursor keys, super instead of win/apple/other keys)
- stepped Control + Caps Lock
- wide flat Control (to replace std caps lock)
- 2x Geek Hack keys
- standard 4 arrow keys

for a total of 113 key caps?

I ask because the standard arrow keys aren't pictured in the Standard-Layout picture and the other additional 5 are pictured.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: vegaman on Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:19:15
Bit confusing with 2 threads and polls now. Not sure if I should vote on both?
On the other I voted on the POS kit (I gather this includes all the standard keys along with some choices of different sized keys), the gaming kit and the toy kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: gacken on Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:50:03
@twichty and 7bit
thanks for the answers guys.

I checked all the doubleshot replacement threads, but couldn't find anything
is there an option to get some colored blank keys?
Like some red/white/lavendar/orange blanks?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 20 December 2010, 02:16:58
Quote from: AvroArrow;266020
Before I vote/commit, I just want something clarified.  So does the Standard Kit ($50+S&H) consists of:
- standard 104 keys (w/sterile numpad keys, text cursor keys, super instead of win/apple/other keys)
- stepped Control + Caps Lock
- wide flat Control (to replace std caps lock)
- 2x Geek Hack keys
- standard 4 arrow keys

for a total of 113 key caps?

I ask because the standard arrow keys aren't pictured in the Standard-Layout picture and the other additional 5 are pictured.


I've got to update that. Your list is complete, the arrows will be included.



Quote from: vegaman;266024
Bit confusing with 2 threads and polls now. Not sure if I should vote on both?
On the other I voted on the POS kit (I gather this includes all the standard keys along with some choices of different sized keys), the gaming kit and the toy kit.


Please vote in both! These are about disjoint sets of key caps. I will have prices by Tuesday.


Quote from: gacken;266032
@twichty and 7bit
thanks for the answers guys.

I checked all the doubleshot replacement threads, but couldn't find anything
is there an option to get some colored blank keys?
Like some red/white/lavendar/orange blanks?

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 20 December 2010, 04:57:28
Quote from: 7bit;266038
Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.


Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 20 December 2010, 05:11:54
Quote from: 7bit;266038
Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.
Quote from: db_Iodine;266067
Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.
Me too!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: gacken on Mon, 20 December 2010, 06:41:56
Quote from: 7bit;266038

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.


Boy, I'm so in when those are an option.
Colored / Orange blanks. way too yummy!!!

*edit*

Blank ctrl shift, alt, backspace and enter keys would be killer tho...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 20 December 2010, 07:03:39
Quote from: gacken;266086
Boy, I'm so in when those are an option.
Colored / Orange blanks. way too yummy!!!

*edit*

Blank ctrl shift, alt, backspace and enter keys would be killer tho...


In black these are not too much of a problem (ie pricy), because they could be produced along the other black keys with labels on them in one batch. But orange modifiers will need 25 sets to be ordered.

I will put that into the next poll.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 20 December 2010, 07:12:09
Well, you can count me as 2, since I'd be ordering 2 sets of orange modifiers.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Kairxa on Mon, 20 December 2010, 09:42:28
Quote from: db_Iodine;266067
Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.


Quote from: Twitchy;266072
Me too!


Now this is hot. I'm third-ing.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Soarer on Mon, 20 December 2010, 09:50:50
I'm liking the orange set now it has a lot more than just wasd, so I expect I'd have a set or two as well.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wuzle on Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:11:18
Just ordered myself a tenkeyless filco, so count me in for a set. Some of my preferences would be for an orange WASD, all black Function keys, and arrows on the arrow keys. Plus a non-windows windows keys would be nice since I am a linux user. Looks like the 'Super' and 'Meta' will work perfectly.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:12:52
Meta is alt. Windows is Super. Just for reference.

And welcome to geekhack!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:31:11
Quote from: theferenc;266340
Meta is alt. Windows is Super. Just for reference.


Nope!

Meta is Meta and Alt is Alt and Windows is Crap!!!


To be serious:
I know what you mean: Meta and Alt are usually mapped to one key: Alt.

The reason is, because Emacs employs the Meta key for 'buit-in' functions[1]. On the Symbolics keyboards, there is no Alt key (there is an Alt Lock, however). So there had been no function tied to Alt in Emacs. Not even user-defined. Because of that, it is safe to map Meta and Alt to one key.

PS:
Quote from: theferenc;266340

And welcome to geekhack!

me too!

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[1] there is nothing really 'built-in' in a fully customizable editor like Emacs.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:03:12
OK, valid point. But I've yet to see any UNIX like OS that didn't have meta mapped to alt.

Windows is still super though :-P.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:10:47
Quote from: theferenc;266376
OK, valid point. But I've yet to see any UNIX like OS that didn't have meta mapped to alt.

Windows is still super though :-P.


My system is set up such that there are Contol, Meta, Super, Hyper and Alt.
(along with Shift, Num Lock and Caps Lock; makes 8 which is the maximum for X11)

I made Emacs distinguish the left and right versions of those modifiers.

The idea is to avoid pressing 2 or more modifiers at a time.

And yes, I know it's overkill!

Hey, this is GeekHack, isn't it?

PS: This is half of the reason why I started Round THREE.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:23:58
I'd be interested in seeing your xmodmad and emacs init files, if you wouldn't mind sharing.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wuzle on Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:35:17
Thanks for the warm welcome. Quick question, I am assuming that the extra caps lock and control keys are so you can switch them? ie move the the left control key to the left of 'A'. Then move the caps lock to the left-control position.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:43:25
Quote from: wuzle;266402
Thanks for the warm welcome. Quick question, I am assuming that the extra caps lock and control keys are so you can switch them? ie move the the left control key to the left of 'A'. Then move the caps lock to the left-control position.


No.

These alternate Caps and Control keys are for one and the same key position on 2 different styles of keyboards with Cherry-switches.

There exits keyboards (mainly Cherry) which have a stepped Caps Lock key which is mounted to an off-center key stem (ie the switch). Filco and Ducky for instance have a centered key stem and no step in the Caps Lock key.

Furthermore, at the Caps Lock position there is Control on many UNIX keyboards (mainly Sun layout), so people from the UNIX world don't like to have Caps where Control ought to be.

There exist other employments for that key position which you will find in both (stepped and unstepped) versions in the Modifier kit.

 If you own a non-US-layout board (ie ISO-layout) then left shift and bottom-row modifiers are interchangeble (given these have 1 1/4 size of a normal key).

ps: I see now, there is no Caps Lock for bottom row in the Modifier kit.

Does anybody need that?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 20 December 2010, 18:25:20
I certainly don't need it. But if I could get a control key in the profile of the caps lock key, that would be awesome. Since I'm one of those UNIX beard types, and I ALWAYS remap caps lock to control. So a key there that actually says control would be brilliant.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: porkbone on Mon, 20 December 2010, 18:40:10
I'm not even sure what we're talking about.  But I saw some round 2 thread, and the round 3 thread, then another offshoot round 3 thread, and I see some cool pictures of orange keys and some suggestions for other cool things, and I wanted to be cool too so here I am.  

Actually I really like the multi-color scheme with the old skool centered lettering, etc.. so I answered the poll for a standard set and a gaming set I think.  btw orange is cool and not just on Halloween.

Can someone wake me up when it's actually time to pay for something?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 03:29:33
Quote from: theferenc;266447
I certainly don't need it. But if I could get a control key in the profile of the caps lock key, that would be awesome. Since I'm one of those UNIX beard types, and I ALWAYS remap caps lock to control. So a key there that actually says control would be brilliant.


Control is part of the Standard set in both versions!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 03:34:44
Quote from: porkbone;266452
I'm not even sure what we're talking about.  But I saw some round 2 thread, and the round 3 thread, then another offshoot round 3 thread, and I see some cool pictures of orange keys and some suggestions for other cool things, and I wanted to be cool too so here I am.  

Actually I really like the multi-color scheme with the old skool centered lettering, etc.. so I answered the poll for a standard set and a gaming set I think.  btw orange is cool and not just on Halloween.

Can someone wake me up when it's actually time to pay for something?


Tell me your address and I will have you woken up in time.

What do you prefer:

130dB siren or ice-cold water-splash?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: sixty on Tue, 21 December 2010, 03:52:56
Requesting "retro" sized ctrl/alt keys to be included in either the pos or modifier set. This will instantly make the set compatible with all vintage boards without winkeys and also some modern boards that use the wider ctrl/alt keys such as the black widow, ione boards, scorpius m10, etc.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 04:45:29
Quote from: sixty;266618
Requesting "retro" sized ctrl/alt keys to be included in either the pos or modifier set. This will instantly make the set compatible with all vintage boards without winkeys and also some modern boards that use the wider ctrl/alt keys such as the black widow, ione boards, scorpius m10, etc.


These are already on my list of questions to nerve-kill Mrs. Signature with.

Edit: Nonsense! I already ask and got a response on these 1 1/2 sized bottom-row keys!

2xCONTROL, 2xALT, SUPER, HYPER, META and CAPS LOCK
will cost $10 per set (25 sets to be produced) maximum.

I will add this as an extra in the next poll.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wuzle on Tue, 21 December 2010, 06:35:26
Quote from: 7bit;266627
These are already on my list of questions to nerve-kill Mrs. Signature with.

Edit: Nonsense! I already ask and got a response on these 1 1/2 sized bottom-row keys!

2xCONTROL, 2xALT, SUPER, HYPER, META and CAPS LOCK
will cost $10 per set (25 sets to be produced) maximum.

I will add this as an extra in the next poll.


Forgive my newness, I am still learning the geekhack lingo. But, can I switch the caps-lock and left control with this new proposed set?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 06:53:58
Quote from: wuzle;266640
Forgive my newness, I am still learning the geekhack lingo. But, can I switch the caps-lock and left control with this new proposed set?


Depends on your keybaord. If your bottom-row modifier keys are 1.5 the width of your normal A-Z-keys it will fit. These keys are for older boards without the Windows or Super keys (between Alt and Control).

Currently there is no Caps Lock for bottom-row keys of 1.25 times the width of normal A-Z-keys.

If you need it, I may add it to the modifier kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Tue, 21 December 2010, 07:50:56
Heya,

I just voted for the orange Gamer set, very happy u included "more stuff" in it, I will defo order 2 of em.

Now:

I don't intend to cramp your style as you are obviously doing a fine job organizing my good sir. But dare I suggest to make 1 final poll on suggestions (I read about a blank orange set) and then start taking orders? Or at least ask iMav to be so kind and make the polls that belong to this order sticky for a while until we are through with the order. Because already with 2 threads it starts getting confusing. And I understand we need to give it some time so everyone has a chance to read, vote and order. But waiting too long can also have a negative effect. As of now (like I said) I feel you are setting a perfect pace. Just wanna suggest not to get off track and go through with it some time soon.

Cheers,

Senor_Cartmenez

/Edit
also: the wish for an Awesome-Face key was mentioned. Geekhack keys are already in the main set. I remember in the Round Two thread a trollface key was mentioned.

Would a generall novelty key-kit be a feasible thing?

With awesome-face, geekhack, troll-face, the AscII eyes, windings keyboard
we would already have five. I am sure we could come up with 5 more without a problem (I for example would still suggest a "42" key :p ). Put 2 of each in the kit, makes it a 20 key kit. Possible?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wuzle on Tue, 21 December 2010, 08:39:27
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;266651

also: the wish for an Awesome-Face key was mentioned. Geekhack keys are already in the main set. I remember in the Round Two thread a trollface key was mentioned.

Would a generall novelty key-kit be a feasible thing?

With awesome-face, geekhack, troll-face, the AscII eyes, windings keyboard
we would already have five. I am sure we could come up with 5 more without a problem (I for example would still suggest a "42" key :p ). Put 2 of each in the kit, makes it a 20 key kit. Possible?


A GNU/Linux penguin key (to replace the windows key)? Or am I pushing my luck with these linux requests? :-)

Also, could you put me down for a colemak and dvorak set. I can't re-vote on the poll to add them. I have always wanted to experiment with alternative layouts and this seems like a good chance.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 09:16:45
Quote from: wuzle;266668
A GNU/Linux penguin key (to replace the windows key)? Or am I pushing my luck with these linux requests? :-)

Also, could you put me down for a colemak and dvorak set. I can't re-vote on the poll to add them. I have always wanted to experiment with alternative layouts and this seems like a good chance.


If you want something like that, then draw it with all measures necessary to make it. I received some requests for those (toy/fun)-keys, but nobody cared to give me some sample or drawing which I could show to Signature Plastics, to ask for prices or to check out if theses are doable at all.

I'm not into these 'picures on keys'. The only thing I can do, is forward your request to SP and include it into the next poll.


Apropos poll:
iMav tried to give me some poll-tools which did not yet work thec way we expected. We will try out, what could be done. I have some solution in mind, but it will take some few days.


ps: the 42 key is the easiest to be done. Also the cheapest. Just choose color, find 25 folks at minimum to order it, and it will cost a few cents.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: steeef on Tue, 21 December 2010, 09:17:55
The more suggestions 7bit considers the longer it'll take to finalize options. This is why round two ended up being a huge thread full of random requests and ideas. I like the options as they are now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 09:24:04
Quote from: steeef;266685
The more suggestions 7bit considers the longer it'll take to finalize options. This is why round two ended up being a huge thread full of random requests and ideas. I like the options as they are now.


Deadline to add to the wish-list is 31 December 2010.

If I did not get all questions answered from SP by then, it will be somewhere 15th Jan.

I plan on starting to take orderes within the 1st week of January. Once there are enough orders got paid, the hole batch will be ordered at SP.

ps: Up to this point, I can still keep track of everything.

No chaos here!!!

ps/2: I'm not a ponderously pondering panda;-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: HungryPillow on Tue, 21 December 2010, 09:25:40
How about white keys with blue WASD and arrows? Just throwing suggestions out there...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 09:46:41
Quote from: HungryPillow;266688
How about white keys with blue WASD and arrows? Just throwing suggestions out there...


At your service!

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14182&stc=1&d=1292946323)

You did mean that, actually, didn't you?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Tue, 21 December 2010, 10:32:16
Quote from: 7bit;266696
At your service!

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14182&stc=1&d=1292946323)


You did mean that, actually, didn't you?



I can't but applaud for this post!

Fiting both arrows and W A S or D might be bit hard...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 21 December 2010, 10:55:31
I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 12:25:48
Quote from: Twitchy;266735
I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.


Belgian layout?

I'll put it into the next poll. Could be added to the FR-kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 21 December 2010, 12:58:14
Quote from: Twitchy;266735
I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.
Quote from: 7bit;266778
Belgian layout?

I'll put it into the next poll. Could be added to the FR-kit.


No, don't!

"42" triggers deeply ingrained pavlovian responses in the form of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references. For example "What? I don't understand." will almost always be followed by "Where's the tea?", as (according to Zaphod Beeblebrox) these phrases are all you'd have to program an electronic replacement for Arthur Dent's brain to say. "Who'd know the difference?". Anyway:

   Belgium - see Censorship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_the_Universe_and_Everything#Censorship)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 13:06:54
Quote from: Twitchy;266792
No, don't!

"42" triggers deeply ingrained pavlovian responses in the form of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references. For example "What? I don't understand." will almost always be followed by "Where's the tea?", as (according to Zaphod Beeblebrox) these phrases are all you'd have to program an electronic replacement for Arthur Dent's brain to say. "Who'd know the difference?". Anyway:

   Belgium - see Censorship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_the_Universe_and_Everything#Censorship)


Now I get it. I knew you didn't mean Belgium actually, but I didn't know that book and the story behind.

Thanks for the info!


ps: do you want that WASD-4-arrows-key included by any chance?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: porkbone on Tue, 21 December 2010, 14:43:11
Quote from: 7bit;266617
Tell me your address and I will have you woken up in time.

What do you prefer:

130dB siren or ice-cold water-splash?

I think the siren would work.  Ice cold water just pisses me off.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 15:32:51
Quote from: porkbone;266833
I think the siren would work.  Ice cold water just pisses me off.


OK, will be arranged!

PS: Bet he thinks of siren as in Greek mythology, and takes 130dB as a cup size.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wap32 on Tue, 21 December 2010, 15:36:42
Not sure if it has been suggested, but I'd be interested in a modifier kit compatible with an MX-11800.
This would be a backspace-sized right Shift, Tab-sized Ctrl/Alt and bigger space bar.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 21 December 2010, 16:07:41
Quote from: wap32;266857
Not sure if it has been suggested, but I'd be interested in a modifier kit compatible with an MX-11800.
This would be a backspace-sized right Shift, Tab-sized Ctrl/Alt and bigger space bar.


Could you please measure your spacebar and the distance of the key mounts?

Please be careful when removing it and don't blame me if you break something!

A double sized shift will most presumably be possible and I will include it along with the 1 1/2 sized modifiers.

Any need in a PT-layout?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: shakudan on Tue, 21 December 2010, 20:23:48
I commit to the standard key set and the addtional gamer (orange) set on the other thread. (Note: this is for the filco keyboards)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: iMav on Tue, 21 December 2010, 20:29:45
Quote from: shakudan;267005
I commit to the standard key set and the addtional gamer (orange) set on the other thread. (Note: this is for the filco keyboards)


Me too.  Plus any toy set that may be offered...and perhaps some other goodies, depending on what else is, ultimately, offered.  (for the Leopold)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: HungryPillow on Tue, 21 December 2010, 22:35:02
Quote from: 7bit;266696
At your service!

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14182&stc=1&d=1292946323)


You did mean that, actually, didn't you?


Hmm, not exactly what I had in mind but props to you if you do that... :biggrin:

Was thinking something more like this:

(http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Kinesis-advantage-keyboard-white.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Wed, 22 December 2010, 10:07:33
regarding the novelty keys:

what to do, I can't draw worth ****...

Didn't we have some paint, I mean photoshop wonderboys/girls in the other replacemen order thread?

Where are they now?

I guess 42 ...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: wuzle on Wed, 22 December 2010, 10:27:13
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;267266
regarding the novelty keys:

what to do, I can't draw worth ****...

Didn't we have some paint, I mean photoshop wonderboys/girls in the other replacemen order thread?

Where are they now?

I guess 42 ...


Yeah, I can't either. I would be afraid what I came up with wouldn't turn out right. BTW, are there plans to add the diamond key that was in Round One? From the pictures in the Round One thread, it looks like a decent windows-key replacement. Although the 'Super' key is not a bad idea either.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Wed, 22 December 2010, 13:43:38
Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:
Title: Test
Post by: 7bit_vote on Wed, 22 December 2010, 14:06:06
Quote from: Hofy;267375
Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:


%enter_answer_here%
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 22 December 2010, 14:13:30
Quote from: Hofy;267375
Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:


The problem with these different colors are, that it is quite costly, because the must be done in a separate batch. It is no problem to have 42 or FORTYTWO on a key in one of those 3 colors so far.

I will set up a new poll and will add these requests.

Please don't be too much disappointed, if these end up like FR or NL kit.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: JBert on Wed, 22 December 2010, 14:34:49
I'm looking for a Colemak ISO layout. I guess that would mean I'd have to take the standard edition + UK and Colemak kits?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 22 December 2010, 15:21:59
Quote from: JBert;267399
I'm looking for a Colemak ISO layout. I guess that would mean I'd have to take the standard edition + UK and Colemak kits?


Would be very appreciated by all those few UK-users!!!

The J-shape enter is the one which makes UK-layout pricy:

> J-shape Enter, black color: 25 keys @ 3.91/each

This is nearly $4 for the enter key. Then comes that shorter shift and an additional key for that gap.

A separate Colemak-ISO-kit would save you $2, at the expense of loosing all UK-GeekHack-members as friends, just because you refuse to support their layout!

If you think of the extra keys as a waste, then think of your next girlfriend!

She will appreciate it, if you would make her ear rings out of them.

Or use them for yourself as cuff links.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 22 December 2010, 15:44:32
Quote from: 7bit;267421
Would be very appreciated by all those few UK-users!!!

The J-shape enter is the one which makes UK-layout pricy:

> J-shape Enter, black color: 25 keys @ 3.91/each

This is nearly $4 for the enter key. Then comes that shorter shift and an additional key for that gap.

A separate Colemak-ISO-kit would save you $2, at the expense of loosing all UK-GeekHack-members as friends, just because you refuse to support their layout!

If you think of the extra keys as a waste, then think of your next girlfriend!

She will appreciate it, if you would make her ear rings out of them.

Or use them for yourself as cuff links.


Or put them on sale in year for triple price ;D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Wed, 22 December 2010, 16:02:04
Quote from: 7bit;267389
The problem with these different colors are, that it is quite costly, because the must be done in a separate batch. It is no problem to have 42 or FORTYTWO on a key in one of those 3 colors so far.

I will set up a new poll and will add these requests.

Please don't be too much disappointed, if these end up like FR or NL kit.


I was actually just kidding about a 42 key. If I put every 'special' key on a keyboard there would be no room left for the regular keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit_vote on Wed, 22 December 2010, 17:02:26
Quote from: Hofy;267447
I was actually just kidding about a 42 key. If I put every 'special' key on a keyboard there would be no room left for the regular keys.


Also, you would have even more sets to collate.

@ everybody:

I set up a new thread  (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664) where everybody can specify quantities for any kit on the list, by sending me (7bit_vote) a personal message.

See How to vote (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=267465&postcount=2) for more details.

You can change these quantities at any time, which would not be possible in a conventional poll.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 22 December 2010, 17:20:42
Quote from: 7bit_vote;267472
Also, you would have even more sets to collate.

@ everybody:

I set up a new thread  (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664) where everybody can specify quantities for any kit on the list, by sending me (7bit_vote) a personal message.

See How to vote (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=267465&postcount=2) for more details.

You can change these quantities at any time, which would not be possible in a conventional poll.


Could ask iMav to sticky that one... Also how often or at all are you going to update listing?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Wed, 22 December 2010, 17:30:48
7bit, you need to change that vote thread. You have

Black blank keys ............ $25 / 25 (ORANGEBLANK)

Which I assume should actually be

Black blank keys ............ $25 / 25 (BLACKBLANK)

or something similar. Just a heads up on that. I didn't want to clutter up that other thread, but I'm worried people will just copy/paste your Order-IDs, and end up with orange rather than black.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 22 December 2010, 17:33:01
Quote from: Ekaros;267478
Could ask iMav to sticky that one... Also how often or at all are you going to update listing?


I will update as often as possible. The poll-software iMav gave me access to, doesn't do the trick and I don't have the time to find out how to manipulate that PHP-stuff to work as needed.

It would be much better to load my less than 100 lines script to a website. But then I would have to deal with a login-system....

I will see waht I can do. As for now it is the only way to collect the actual quantities of sets to potentially ordered.


Good night!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Wed, 22 December 2010, 17:38:05
So long as everyone follows directions, it should be nice and easy to hack together a python/perl/php/whatever script to parse them and dump out a nice CSV file or something similar. Hell, if you're a windows user, you can even do it directly in powershell, and have an excel spreadsheet pop out.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Kairxa on Wed, 22 December 2010, 20:45:38
Hey, will the orange blank single sized keys have all F1 ~ F12 row key or only half of them?

Like in this pic below.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14170&stc=1&d=1292799928)

Also, when will you order em?

If january, damn, I'll have to hesitate in buying a topre :|
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: dewaere on Wed, 22 December 2010, 21:04:15
The orange kit is what you can see on the pic (white caps).

Check here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?&do=comments&p=267566#post267566)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Kairxa on Wed, 22 December 2010, 21:14:34
Lol sorry I didn't mean orange kit, I mean orange blank single sized keys (damn it's long).

Will edit the original post now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 23 December 2010, 02:08:34
Quote from: theferenc;267488
So long as everyone follows directions, it should be nice and easy to hack together a python/perl/php/whatever script to parse them and dump out a nice CSV file or something similar.


Would be great to have a tool to automatically post the stuff. I will see what I can do to automatically upload the results to my own webspace.

Quote from: theferenc;267488

Hell, if you're a windows user, you can even do it directly in powershell, and have an excel   pop out.

Nope I'm not a Windows user!!!
powershell  excel spreadsheet Uhhhh.

Stop throwing those buzzwords at me!!!

To parse and evaluate a hacked together 2 little quick and dirty, less than 100 lines scripts.

The data base looks like this (I use a comma as separator, because it's not allowed in usernames):

7bit,BLACKBLANK,2
7bit,BLACKBLANKMOD,5
7bit,BLACKBLANKRET,2
7bit,FUNCTION,5
7bit,MODIFIER,5
7bit,NORDIC,1
7bit,NUMERIC,5
7bit,ORANGE,9
7bit,POS,3
7bit,STANDARD,5

These values where only for testing.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 23 December 2010, 02:11:34
Quote from: Kairxa;267572
Hey, will the orange blank single sized keys have all F1 ~ F12 row key or only half of them?

Like in this pic below.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14170&stc=1&d=1292799928)


Also, when will you order em?

If january, damn, I'll have to hesitate in buying a topre :|


Delivery will be around early February.

That orange kit contains only keys where there are those white frames are around. All othees are not included and show only a potential color-scheme.

You can have orange single sized keys and orange modifiers separately. Same for blank blanks.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: steeef on Thu, 23 December 2010, 10:30:39
Hey 7bit, I just wanted to say thanks for all the work you've put in so far, and for putting up with the dozens of questions.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 23 December 2010, 11:46:44
Quote from: steeef;267792
Hey 7bit, I just wanted to say thanks for all the work you've put in so far, and for putting up with the dozens of questions.


Thank you!!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: chuckading on Fri, 24 December 2010, 04:07:30
7bit,

Sorry if it's too late in the game for suggestions, but would anyone be interested in some media keys?  Since the filco, leopold, ducky and many other keyboards don't have dedicated media keys, I've been remapping keys like print, scroll lock, pause and some of the function keys via software to be media keys for volume up, down, mute, play/pause, previous, and next.  Anybody interested in having a small little set of those 6 keys? adding it to an existing set? Just throwing it out there. Thanks again 7bit.

Edit:
All could be top row, and of the darker/almost black   shade of gray
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 24 December 2010, 04:39:35
Quote from: chuckading;268215
7bit,

Sorry if it's too late in the game for suggestions, but would anyone be interested in some media keys?  Since the filco, leopold, ducky and many other keyboards don't have dedicated media keys, I've been remapping keys like print, scroll lock, pause and some of the function keys via software to be media keys for volume up, down, mute, play/pause, previous, and next.  Anybody interested in having a small little set of those 6 keys? adding it to an existing set? Just throwing it out there. Thanks again 7bit.

Edit:
All could be top row, and of the darker/almost black   shade of gray


Deadline for Round Three is 31 December or maybe a week later. I 'm not sure right now where to put these keys, but they are doable.

POS or Function kit:

VOLUME UP, VOLUME DOWN, MUTE, NEXT TRACK, PREVIOUS TRACK, PLAY,

or just plain:

UP, DOWN, MUTE, NEXT, PREV, PLAY ?

What about RECORD, EJECT, FAST FORWARD, FAST BACKWARD,
NOISE, MONITOR, MONO, STEREO, QUADRO, PHONO, TAPE, ... ?

ps: PAUSE already exists in Standard layout.

Merry Christmas!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Hofy on Fri, 24 December 2010, 06:38:02
How about adding DELETE to the orange set?  Maybe even call it DESTROY  ??
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 24 December 2010, 10:25:15
@ 7bit

You really are doing a fantastic job but there are a couple of things that could be clearer:The first question because I'm a bit hazy on what's supposed to be happening and when. The second question because some parts of my order rely on other parts being available i.e. how much do I want the standard set if I can't get the UK set?  I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's in that situation.

Keep up the good work but take a break for Christmas though please!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit_vote on Fri, 24 December 2010, 12:01:41
Quote from: Twitchy;268296
@ 7bit

You really are doing a fantastic job but there are a couple of things that could be clearer:
  • Is the sticky thread taking orders and if so do payments follow?
  • What's the minimum number of smaller sets (modifier, POS, etc.) that we must reach for an order to be viable?
The first question because I'm a bit hazy on what's supposed to be happening and when. The second question because some parts of my order rely on other parts being available i.e. how much do I want the standard set if I can't get the UK set?  I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's in that situation.

Keep up the good work but take a break for Christmas though please!



No, I don't take orders right now, but I will send everybody a message containg what they voted for and if they want actually to order it. Prices will be re-calculated according to what everybody orders and also what a kit contains. I left room for additional caps in most of these kits.

Some kits I want for myself. I will take as many sets necessary to fulfill the price stated here. (mainly POS, Function, Modifier, etc.). For those kist which do not reach 25 sets, I will ask everybody if the want to pay that much SP wants for such a small number, or not.

UK kit will happen! maybe at a higher price if there are not enough for 25 sets. Same for the Nordic kit. These others, I'm afraid will be quite costly.

If you want a kit, vote for it. The more want it the cheaper it will get!

Merry Christmas!!!

edit: some typos corrected, which where caused by lack of time!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: chuckading on Fri, 24 December 2010, 13:03:04
Quote from: 7bit;268220

POS or Function kit:

VOLUME UP, VOLUME DOWN, MUTE, NEXT TRACK, PREVIOUS TRACK, PLAY,

or just plain:

UP, DOWN, MUTE, NEXT, PREV, PLAY ?

What about RECORD, EJECT, FAST FORWARD, FAST BACKWARD,
NOISE, MONITOR, MONO, STEREO, QUADRO, PHONO, TAPE, ... ?



Are these standard symbols a possibility? Does SP already have them ready?

Top row in picture, 1st possibility
1. Rewind, (that can also act as previous track, or rewind when held)
2. Play, (can be used via software to act as play/pause)
3. Fast Forward, (that can also act as next track, or ff when held)
4. Mute
5. Volume Down (this one features two sound waves)
6. Volume Up

Middle, Eject Icon

bottom row in picture, 2nd possibility (These look just like the media keys you'll find on macbooks)
I suggest these if going with symbols, as they look the simplest and easy to make.

Botton row in picture 2nd possibility
1. Rewind, (that can also act as previous track, or rewind when held)
2. Play/Pause, (can be used via software to act as play/pause)(I prefer just the play icon as top row)
3. Fast Forward, (that can also act as next track, or ff when held)
4. Mute (Just speaker cone w/ no sound waves)
5. Volume Down (this one features one sound wave)
6. Volume Up

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5288132785_5d1b4f35cb_b.jpg)

I did not include keys such as record, eject, fast backward, noise, monitor, mono, stereo, quadro, phono, or tape, as those are keys that most consumers don't use on a regular basis.  If one wanted fancy keys like that, it'd prob be best to set up a seperate SP order or buy a new KB for things like ProTools, Logic, etc.  I don't particularly care for eject, as disc's are not used as often anymore.

But the average person probably uses those media keys to control music playback from iTunes or any other media player.

If symbols are not an option, then I would think characters could look like...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5288755674_459dd220ac_b.jpg)


Fast Forward looks a little much typed out on a single key, so I think an abbreviation looks best, and to keep things symmetrical, Rewind abbreviated to REW.

Edit: of course, these would be of top row key profile, and in the darker shade gray/black w/ white font, I would imagine putting them in place of function keys on the keyboard. For those using OSX, keys like Print, Num Lock, and Pause are remapped to F13-F15, that's where I currently place volume keys in OSX.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit_vote on Fri, 24 December 2010, 13:50:35
Quote from: chuckading;268335
Are these standard symbols a possibility? Does SP already have them ready?

Top row in picture, 1st possibility
1. Rewind, (that can also act as previous track, or rewind when held)
2. Play, (can be used via software to act as play/pause)
3. Fast Forward, (that can also act as next track, or ff when held)
4. Mute
5. Volume Down (this one features two sound waves)
6. Volume Up

Middle, Eject Icon

bottom row in picture, 2nd possibility (These look just like the media keys you'll find on macbooks)
I suggest these if going with symbols, as they look the simplest and easy to make.

Botton row in picture 2nd possibility
1. Rewind, (that can also act as previous track, or rewind when held)
2. Play/Pause, (can be used via software to act as play/pause)(I prefer just the play icon as top row)
3. Fast Forward, (that can also act as next track, or ff when held)
4. Mute (Just speaker cone w/ no sound waves)
5. Volume Down (this one features one sound wave)
6. Volume Up

Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5288132785_5d1b4f35cb_b.jpg)


I did not include keys such as record, eject, fast backward, noise, monitor, mono, stereo, quadro, phono, or tape, as those are keys that most consumers don't use on a regular basis.  If one wanted fancy keys like that, it'd prob be best to set up a seperate SP order or buy a new KB for things like ProTools, Logic, etc.  I don't particularly care for eject, as disc's are not used as often anymore.

But the average person probably uses those media keys to control music playback from iTunes or any other media player.

If symbols are not an option, then I would think characters could look like...

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Fast Forward looks a little much typed out on a single key, so I think an abbreviation looks best, and to keep things symmetrical, Rewind abbreviated to REW.

Edit: of course, these would be of top row key profile, and in the darker shade gray/black w/ white font, I would imagine putting them in place of function keys on the keyboard. For those using OSX, keys like Print, Num Lock, and Pause are remapped to F13-F15, that's where I currently place volume keys in OSX.


I will ask them about thes symbols.

Those buttons like Mono,Quadro or Noise where meant as a joke.

I can dig out more of that old stuff if you like!

MATRIX, Q-SOUND, DUPLO, ...

But don't aks me what these button do, ...

I will post a pic of that 1970ies Qudrophony thing receiver/amplifier.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 26 December 2010, 10:24:41
it's looking pretty bad for my mac-only modifier keys (in the modifier kit) in the vote thread. could we just include the 2x OPTION and 2x COMMAND (and hopefully 1x blank 1 1/4") in the standard set? i don't think i can justify the price of a reduced-quantity modifier kit, and since proper mac modifier keys are the only reason i would order, that would probably lead me to not order any key sets at all...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 27 December 2010, 05:48:08
Quote from: mkawa;269091
it's looking pretty bad for my mac-only modifier keys (in the modifier kit) in the vote thread. could we just include the 2x OPTION and 2x COMMAND (and hopefully 1x blank 1 1/4") in the standard set? i don't think i can justify the price of a reduced-quantity modifier kit, and since proper mac modifier keys are the only reason i would order, that would probably lead me to not order any key sets at all...


I don't want to add too many keys to the Standard set. I need some of these keys from the Modifier kit for myself, so I will take more to make sure that this price ($18/set) will be possible.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 27 December 2010, 07:03:16
7bit, I've been out of touch for a while due to the holidays, but if you want, I can hack up a quick python script that can parse them, and then upload/format/post/whatever, if you like.

I already have a bunch of python scripts that I use to generate my own teaching web pages, so it's pretty straightforward to do. Just let me know.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 27 December 2010, 08:24:18
Quote from: theferenc;269372
7bit, I've been out of touch for a while due to the holidays, but if you want, I can hack up a quick python script that can parse them, and then upload/format/post/whatever, if you like.

I already have a bunch of python scripts that I use to generate my own teaching web pages, so it's pretty straightforward to do. Just let me know.


Thanks for offering help!

If you've got something which auto-edits a post at this website, I would much appreciate that. Anything else had been done in Perl already.

The only help I really need is: People who voted for all those kits in this and the other thread, to vote/order those in the new thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664).

Are you folks all on holly-day, or did the lose interest?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 27 December 2010, 08:26:44
So, I don't have anything that edits on this forum, but what you could do instead is just post a link in the results post, and keep that page up to date.

And yeah, I'm betting lots of people are spending family time. Don't forget, lately the majority of users are teens, I think, and sort of have to go along with family plans.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: British on Fri, 18 February 2011, 08:24:19
Quote from: 7bit;265669
The only kits which would not happen right now are FR, NL and Dvorak.

How many sets do you require so it can "happen" ?

I voted for a FR set today, and could probably use some more...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: British on Mon, 21 February 2011, 09:15:31
Bump !
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Culinia on Mon, 21 February 2011, 13:50:52
Quote from: British;298733
Bump !

You should post it here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664&page=73) dude.
This thread seems the older one of that one anyway.

Quote from: British;297176
How many sets do you require so it can "happen" ?

I voted for a FR set today, and could probably use some more...

And to answer you question: 10 for dvorak (5 current votes according to recent stats email) Not sure if this would be made, if it is/willing to pay then it will probably be much more expensive than the listed price in the first page.

There seems to be only 1 vote for FR so I am not sure if that would be made as UK kit needed 15 for example to be cost effective.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: British on Tue, 22 February 2011, 05:52:18
Quote from: Culinia;298867
You should post it here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664&page=73) dude.
This thread seems the older one of that one anyway.

So, "dude", I did post in this thread because, you know, it's the preparation for the other one, and the set I'm interested in didn't make the cut.

Regarding the cast-away sets, it might indeed be more expensive, and I'd be willing to cough what's needed... to some extent, obviously.
I'm discussing this with 7bit.
Title: Thread closed!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 22 February 2011, 06:16:47
[SIZE=12]Thread closed![/SIZE]

Please visit the new thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664) to order or for leaving comments.
Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: grik on Fri, 12 August 2016, 03:58:21
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If I can get that for my Filco 105 keys, french layout, Im in.

This one was EPIC Journey and i was a part of it too.

i have on of these ROUND3 Standard KIT but i trying to find a spare ENTER key.

Anyone has one to spare/sell ?


Thank you

Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Data on Fri, 12 August 2016, 10:40:10
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If I can get that for my Filco 105 keys, french layout, Im in.

This one was EPIC Journey and i was a part of it too.

i have on of these ROUND3 Standard KIT but i trying to find a spare ENTER key.

Anyone has one to spare/sell ?


Thank you
You'd have MUCH better luck asking in Classifieds or in the Round 5/6 thread over on DT. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 12 August 2016, 11:59:42
How the heck did he even find this thread?  Its like 5 and a half years old!
Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 August 2016, 12:08:38
in the Round 5/6 thread over on DT. Just FYI.

I thought all that was SA caps?? These were DCS caps.
Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: Data on Fri, 12 August 2016, 12:57:45
in the Round 5/6 thread over on DT. Just FYI.

I thought all that was SA caps?? These were DCS caps.

Well I didn't know that, actually (thanks).  That was before my time.  But with 7bit and crew mainly posting at DT I figured the current Round X thread would be the best possibility of running into someone with Round 3 extras.  Don't you think?
Title: Re: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 12 August 2016, 13:20:56
in the Round 5/6 thread over on DT. Just FYI.

I thought all that was SA caps?? These were DCS caps.

Well I didn't know that, actually (thanks).  That was before my time.  But with 7bit and crew mainly posting at DT I figured the current Round X thread would be the best possibility of running into someone with Round 3 extras.  Don't you think?

It would hurt when looking for something like this to ask just about anywhere I suppose. :D

I mean who knows with 7Bit he might still have some or might just order more :eek: