Double shot replacements ROUND THREE!

[7bit]

OK, valid point. But I've yet to see any UNIX like OS that didn't have meta mapped to alt.

Windows is still super though :-P.

My system is set up such that there are Contol, Meta, Super, Hyper and Alt.
(along with Shift, Num Lock and Caps Lock; makes 8 which is the maximum for X11)

I made Emacs distinguish the left and right versions of those modifiers.

The idea is to avoid pressing 2 or more modifiers at a time.

And yes, I know it's overkill!

Hey, this is GeekHack, isn't it?

PS: This is half of the reason why I started Round THREE.

[theferenc]

I'd be interested in seeing your xmodmad and emacs init files, if you wouldn't mind sharing.

[wuzle]

Thanks for the warm welcome. Quick question, I am assuming that the extra caps lock and control keys are so you can switch them? ie move the the left control key to the left of 'A'. Then move the caps lock to the left-control position.

[7bit]

Thanks for the warm welcome. Quick question, I am assuming that the extra caps lock and control keys are so you can switch them? ie move the the left control key to the left of 'A'. Then move the caps lock to the left-control position.

No.

These alternate Caps and Control keys are for one and the same key position on 2 different styles of keyboards with Cherry-switches.

There exits keyboards (mainly Cherry) which have a stepped Caps Lock key which is mounted to an off-center key stem (ie the switch). Filco and Ducky for instance have a centered key stem and no step in the Caps Lock key.

Furthermore, at the Caps Lock position there is Control on many UNIX keyboards (mainly Sun layout), so people from the UNIX world don't like to have Caps where Control ought to be.

There exist other employments for that key position which you will find in both (stepped and unstepped) versions in the Modifier kit.

 If you own a non-US-layout board (ie ISO-layout) then left shift and bottom-row modifiers are interchangeble (given these have 1 1/4 size of a normal key).

ps: I see now, there is no Caps Lock for bottom row in the Modifier kit.

Does anybody need that?

[theferenc]

I certainly don't need it. But if I could get a control key in the profile of the caps lock key, that would be awesome. Since I'm one of those UNIX beard types, and I ALWAYS remap caps lock to control. So a key there that actually says control would be brilliant.

[porkbone]

I'm not even sure what we're talking about.  But I saw some round 2 thread, and the round 3 thread, then another offshoot round 3 thread, and I see some cool pictures of orange keys and some suggestions for other cool things, and I wanted to be cool too so here I am.  

Actually I really like the multi-color scheme with the old skool centered lettering, etc.. so I answered the poll for a standard set and a gaming set I think.  btw orange is cool and not just on Halloween.

Can someone wake me up when it's actually time to pay for something?

[7bit]

I certainly don't need it. But if I could get a control key in the profile of the caps lock key, that would be awesome. Since I'm one of those UNIX beard types, and I ALWAYS remap caps lock to control. So a key there that actually says control would be brilliant.

Control is part of the Standard set in both versions!

[7bit]

I'm not even sure what we're talking about.  But I saw some round 2 thread, and the round 3 thread, then another offshoot round 3 thread, and I see some cool pictures of orange keys and some suggestions for other cool things, and I wanted to be cool too so here I am.  

Actually I really like the multi-color scheme with the old skool centered lettering, etc.. so I answered the poll for a standard set and a gaming set I think.  btw orange is cool and not just on Halloween.

Can someone wake me up when it's actually time to pay for something?

Tell me your address and I will have you woken up in time.

What do you prefer:

130dB siren or ice-cold water-splash?

[sixty]

Requesting "retro" sized ctrl/alt keys to be included in either the pos or modifier set. This will instantly make the set compatible with all vintage boards without winkeys and also some modern boards that use the wider ctrl/alt keys such as the black widow, ione boards, scorpius m10, etc.

[7bit]

Requesting "retro" sized ctrl/alt keys to be included in either the pos or modifier set. This will instantly make the set compatible with all vintage boards without winkeys and also some modern boards that use the wider ctrl/alt keys such as the black widow, ione boards, scorpius m10, etc.

These are already on my list of questions to nerve-kill Mrs. Signature with.

Edit: Nonsense! I already ask and got a response on these 1 1/2 sized bottom-row keys!

2xCONTROL, 2xALT, SUPER, HYPER, META and CAPS LOCK
will cost $10 per set (25 sets to be produced) maximum.

I will add this as an extra in the next poll.

[wuzle]

These are already on my list of questions to nerve-kill Mrs. Signature with.

Edit: Nonsense! I already ask and got a response on these 1 1/2 sized bottom-row keys!

2xCONTROL, 2xALT, SUPER, HYPER, META and CAPS LOCK
will cost $10 per set (25 sets to be produced) maximum.

I will add this as an extra in the next poll.

Forgive my newness, I am still learning the geekhack lingo. But, can I switch the caps-lock and left control with this new proposed set?

[7bit]

Forgive my newness, I am still learning the geekhack lingo. But, can I switch the caps-lock and left control with this new proposed set?

Depends on your keybaord. If your bottom-row modifier keys are 1.5 the width of your normal A-Z-keys it will fit. These keys are for older boards without the Windows or Super keys (between Alt and Control).

Currently there is no Caps Lock for bottom-row keys of 1.25 times the width of normal A-Z-keys.

If you need it, I may add it to the modifier kit.

[Senor_Cartmenez]

Heya,

I just voted for the orange Gamer set, very happy u included "more stuff" in it, I will defo order 2 of em.

Now:

I don't intend to cramp your style as you are obviously doing a fine job organizing my good sir. But dare I suggest to make 1 final poll on suggestions (I read about a blank orange set) and then start taking orders? Or at least ask iMav to be so kind and make the polls that belong to this order sticky for a while until we are through with the order. Because already with 2 threads it starts getting confusing. And I understand we need to give it some time so everyone has a chance to read, vote and order. But waiting too long can also have a negative effect. As of now (like I said) I feel you are setting a perfect pace. Just wanna suggest not to get off track and go through with it some time soon.

Cheers,

Senor_Cartmenez

/Edit
also: the wish for an Awesome-Face key was mentioned. Geekhack keys are already in the main set. I remember in the Round Two thread a trollface key was mentioned.

Would a generall novelty key-kit be a feasible thing?

With awesome-face, geekhack, troll-face, the AscII eyes, windings keyboard
we would already have five. I am sure we could come up with 5 more without a problem (I for example would still suggest a "42" key ). Put 2 of each in the kit, makes it a 20 key kit. Possible?

[wuzle]

also: the wish for an Awesome-Face key was mentioned. Geekhack keys are already in the main set. I remember in the Round Two thread a trollface key was mentioned.

Would a generall novelty key-kit be a feasible thing?

With awesome-face, geekhack, troll-face, the AscII eyes, windings keyboard
we would already have five. I am sure we could come up with 5 more without a problem (I for example would still suggest a "42" key ). Put 2 of each in the kit, makes it a 20 key kit. Possible?

A GNU/Linux penguin key (to replace the windows key)? Or am I pushing my luck with these linux requests? :-)

Also, could you put me down for a colemak and dvorak set. I can't re-vote on the poll to add them. I have always wanted to experiment with alternative layouts and this seems like a good chance.

[7bit]

A GNU/Linux penguin key (to replace the windows key)? Or am I pushing my luck with these linux requests? :-)

Also, could you put me down for a colemak and dvorak set. I can't re-vote on the poll to add them. I have always wanted to experiment with alternative layouts and this seems like a good chance.

If you want something like that, then draw it with all measures necessary to make it. I received some requests for those (toy/fun)-keys, but nobody cared to give me some sample or drawing which I could show to Signature Plastics, to ask for prices or to check out if theses are doable at all.

I'm not into these 'picures on keys'. The only thing I can do, is forward your request to SP and include it into the next poll.


Apropos poll:
iMav tried to give me some poll-tools which did not yet work thec way we expected. We will try out, what could be done. I have some solution in mind, but it will take some few days.


ps: the 42 key is the easiest to be done. Also the cheapest. Just choose color, find 25 folks at minimum to order it, and it will cost a few cents.

[steeef]

The more suggestions 7bit considers the longer it'll take to finalize options. This is why round two ended up being a huge thread full of random requests and ideas. I like the options as they are now.

[7bit]

The more suggestions 7bit considers the longer it'll take to finalize options. This is why round two ended up being a huge thread full of random requests and ideas. I like the options as they are now.

Deadline to add to the wish-list is 31 December 2010.

If I did not get all questions answered from SP by then, it will be somewhere 15th Jan.

I plan on starting to take orderes within the 1st week of January. Once there are enough orders got paid, the hole batch will be ordered at SP.

ps: Up to this point, I can still keep track of everything.

No chaos here!!!

ps/2: I'm not a ponderously pondering panda;-)

[HungryPillow]

How about white keys with blue WASD and arrows? Just throwing suggestions out there...

[7bit]

How about white keys with blue WASD and arrows? Just throwing suggestions out there...

At your service!



You did mean that, actually, didn't you?

[Ekaros]

At your service!

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You did mean that, actually, didn't you?

I can't but applaud for this post!

Fiting both arrows and W A S or D might be bit hard...

[Twitchy]

I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.

[7bit]

I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.

Belgian layout?

I'll put it into the next poll. Could be added to the FR-kit.

[Twitchy]

I'd like a couple of 42 keys. Belgium man, if I sign up for any more keys this'll get expensive.

Belgian layout?

I'll put it into the next poll. Could be added to the FR-kit.

No, don't!

"42" triggers deeply ingrained pavlovian responses in the form of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references. For example "What? I don't understand." will almost always be followed by "Where's the tea?", as (according to Zaphod Beeblebrox) these phrases are all you'd have to program an electronic replacement for Arthur Dent's brain to say. "Who'd know the difference?". Anyway:

   Belgium - see Censorship

[7bit]

No, don't!

"42" triggers deeply ingrained pavlovian responses in the form of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references. For example "What? I don't understand." will almost always be followed by "Where's the tea?", as (according to Zaphod Beeblebrox) these phrases are all you'd have to program an electronic replacement for Arthur Dent's brain to say. "Who'd know the difference?". Anyway:

   Belgium - see Censorship

Now I get it. I knew you didn't mean Belgium actually, but I didn't know that book and the story behind.

Thanks for the info!


ps: do you want that WASD-4-arrows-key included by any chance?

[porkbone]

Tell me your address and I will have you woken up in time.

What do you prefer:

130dB siren or ice-cold water-splash?

I think the siren would work.  Ice cold water just pisses me off.

[7bit]

I think the siren would work.  Ice cold water just pisses me off.

OK, will be arranged!

PS: Bet he thinks of siren as in Greek mythology, and takes 130dB as a cup size.

[wap32]

Not sure if it has been suggested, but I'd be interested in a modifier kit compatible with an MX-11800.
This would be a backspace-sized right Shift, Tab-sized Ctrl/Alt and bigger space bar.

[7bit]

Not sure if it has been suggested, but I'd be interested in a modifier kit compatible with an MX-11800.
This would be a backspace-sized right Shift, Tab-sized Ctrl/Alt and bigger space bar.

Could you please measure your spacebar and the distance of the key mounts?

Please be careful when removing it and don't blame me if you break something!

A double sized shift will most presumably be possible and I will include it along with the 1 1/2 sized modifiers.

Any need in a PT-layout?

[shakudan]

I commit to the standard key set and the addtional gamer (orange) set on the other thread. (Note: this is for the filco keyboards)

[iMav]

I commit to the standard key set and the addtional gamer (orange) set on the other thread. (Note: this is for the filco keyboards)

Me too.  Plus any toy set that may be offered...and perhaps some other goodies, depending on what else is, ultimately, offered.  (for the Leopold)

[HungryPillow]

At your service!

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You did mean that, actually, didn't you?

Hmm, not exactly what I had in mind but props to you if you do that... :biggrin:

Was thinking something more like this:

[Senor_Cartmenez]

regarding the novelty keys:

what to do, I can't draw worth ****...

Didn't we have some paint, I mean photoshop wonderboys/girls in the other replacemen order thread?

Where are they now?

I guess 42 ...

[wuzle]

regarding the novelty keys:

what to do, I can't draw worth ****...

Didn't we have some paint, I mean photoshop wonderboys/girls in the other replacemen order thread?

Where are they now?

I guess 42 ...

Yeah, I can't either. I would be afraid what I came up with wouldn't turn out right. BTW, are there plans to add the diamond key that was in Round One? From the pictures in the Round One thread, it looks like a decent windows-key replacement. Although the 'Super' key is not a bad idea either.

[Hofy]

Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:

[7bit_vote]

Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:

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[7bit]

Hmmm, a 42 keycap?    Yellow with blue numbers? :biggrin:

The problem with these different colors are, that it is quite costly, because the must be done in a separate batch. It is no problem to have 42 or FORTYTWO on a key in one of those 3 colors so far.

I will set up a new poll and will add these requests.

Please don't be too much disappointed, if these end up like FR or NL kit.

[JBert]

I'm looking for a Colemak ISO layout. I guess that would mean I'd have to take the standard edition + UK and Colemak kits?

[7bit]

I'm looking for a Colemak ISO layout. I guess that would mean I'd have to take the standard edition + UK and Colemak kits?

Would be very appreciated by all those few UK-users!!!

The J-shape enter is the one which makes UK-layout pricy:

> J-shape Enter, black color: 25 keys @ 3.91/each

This is nearly $4 for the enter key. Then comes that shorter shift and an additional key for that gap.

A separate Colemak-ISO-kit would save you $2, at the expense of loosing all UK-GeekHack-members as friends, just because you refuse to support their layout!

If you think of the extra keys as a waste, then think of your next girlfriend!

She will appreciate it, if you would make her ear rings out of them.

Or use them for yourself as cuff links.

[Ekaros]

Would be very appreciated by all those few UK-users!!!

The J-shape enter is the one which makes UK-layout pricy:

> J-shape Enter, black color: 25 keys @ 3.91/each

This is nearly $4 for the enter key. Then comes that shorter shift and an additional key for that gap.

A separate Colemak-ISO-kit would save you $2, at the expense of loosing all UK-GeekHack-members as friends, just because you refuse to support their layout!

If you think of the extra keys as a waste, then think of your next girlfriend!

She will appreciate it, if you would make her ear rings out of them.

Or use them for yourself as cuff links.

Or put them on sale in year for triple price

[Hofy]

The problem with these different colors are, that it is quite costly, because the must be done in a separate batch. It is no problem to have 42 or FORTYTWO on a key in one of those 3 colors so far.

I will set up a new poll and will add these requests.

Please don't be too much disappointed, if these end up like FR or NL kit.

I was actually just kidding about a 42 key. If I put every 'special' key on a keyboard there would be no room left for the regular keys.

[7bit_vote]

I was actually just kidding about a 42 key. If I put every 'special' key on a keyboard there would be no room left for the regular keys.

Also, you would have even more sets to collate.

@ everybody:

I set up a new thread where everybody can specify quantities for any kit on the list, by sending me (7bit_vote) a personal message.

See How to vote for more details.

You can change these quantities at any time, which would not be possible in a conventional poll.

[Ekaros]

Also, you would have even more sets to collate.

@ everybody:

I set up a new thread where everybody can specify quantities for any kit on the list, by sending me (7bit_vote) a personal message.

See How to vote for more details.

You can change these quantities at any time, which would not be possible in a conventional poll.

Could ask iMav to sticky that one... Also how often or at all are you going to update listing?

[theferenc]

7bit, you need to change that vote thread. You have

Black blank keys ............ $25 / 25 (ORANGEBLANK)

Which I assume should actually be

Black blank keys ............ $25 / 25 (BLACKBLANK)

or something similar. Just a heads up on that. I didn't want to clutter up that other thread, but I'm worried people will just copy/paste your Order-IDs, and end up with orange rather than black.

[7bit]

Could ask iMav to sticky that one... Also how often or at all are you going to update listing?

I will update as often as possible. The poll-software iMav gave me access to, doesn't do the trick and I don't have the time to find out how to manipulate that PHP-stuff to work as needed.

It would be much better to load my less than 100 lines script to a website. But then I would have to deal with a login-system....

I will see waht I can do. As for now it is the only way to collect the actual quantities of sets to potentially ordered.


Good night!

[theferenc]

So long as everyone follows directions, it should be nice and easy to hack together a python/perl/php/whatever script to parse them and dump out a nice CSV file or something similar. Hell, if you're a windows user, you can even do it directly in powershell, and have an excel spreadsheet pop out.

[Kairxa]

Hey, will the orange blank single sized keys have all F1 ~ F12 row key or only half of them?

Like in this pic below.



Also, when will you order em?

If january, damn, I'll have to hesitate in buying a topre :|

[dewaere]

The orange kit is what you can see on the pic (white caps).

Check here

[Kairxa]

Lol sorry I didn't mean orange kit, I mean orange blank single sized keys (damn it's long).

Will edit the original post now.

[7bit]

So long as everyone follows directions, it should be nice and easy to hack together a python/perl/php/whatever script to parse them and dump out a nice CSV file or something similar.

Would be great to have a tool to automatically post the stuff. I will see what I can do to automatically upload the results to my own webspace.

Hell, if you're a windows user, you can even do it directly in powershell, and have an excel   pop out.

Nope I'm not a Windows user!!!
powershell  excel spreadsheet Uhhhh.

Stop throwing those buzzwords at me!!!

To parse and evaluate a hacked together 2 little quick and dirty, less than 100 lines scripts.

The data base looks like this (I use a comma as separator, because it's not allowed in usernames):

7bit,BLACKBLANK,2
7bit,BLACKBLANKMOD,5
7bit,BLACKBLANKRET,2
7bit,FUNCTION,5
7bit,MODIFIER,5
7bit,NORDIC,1
7bit,NUMERIC,5
7bit,ORANGE,9
7bit,POS,3
7bit,STANDARD,5

These values where only for testing.

[7bit]

Hey, will the orange blank single sized keys have all F1 ~ F12 row key or only half of them?

Like in this pic below.

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Also, when will you order em?

If january, damn, I'll have to hesitate in buying a topre :|

Delivery will be around early February.

That orange kit contains only keys where there are those white frames are around. All othees are not included and show only a potential color-scheme.

You can have orange single sized keys and orange modifiers separately. Same for blank blanks.