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Title: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:00:25
Just an interest check

Imagine CMYK, but with white legends, to fit Dolch, White on Black, and Handarbeit (all upcoming and soon available sets)\
so...CMYW

(http://i1.minus.com/iZgWJgK1toThw.jpg)

(lovely photo credits go to Dianoda)

Let me explain, i just want a place for others to express interest or desire, not trying to claim any original ideas or anything
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"With some help from Ivan, This is very quickly now moving to the GB stage.

The Idea is to take the popular CMYK set and give it white legends. This would much better match Dolch sets and White on Black sets. additionally, it will match the new Dolch and upcoming handarbeit sets sold over at Originative.

Geekhack original IC: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49175.msg1060593#msg1060593

(http://i.imgur.com/ELsxkh4.jpg)

There have been some questions and concerns about the qualities of the set, most can be found in the gh thread, but I'll go over the big ones here.  The first concern that came up was:..

The Yellow
As you can see in the mockup kindly provided by Sifo (with original photo by Dianoda), The contrast is quite high and unpleasant. While it's the same yellow used in CMYK, some people were wondering about using GMK's mustard yellow..which is a little darker and in my opinion not as fitting. Photo of similar white on mustard -thanks Ivan (http://i.imgur.com/w3y2Zlw.jpg)

The final and unofficial consensus on Geekhack was and is to bite the bullet and go with the original and brighter yellow. I agree here, I think the contrast won't be terrible, and it won't be as bad as a full set, it's just two caps. 

Do you agree with using the original, brighter yellow, with the running risk of bad contrast?

The Legends
Now this is pretty much decided already but I want more opinions and thoughts. We are going to stray from the original set here. The shift arrows in the original set were that of ISO taste, they were just the arrows. With CMYW, we will go ahead with more classic Ansi Taste legends. with the arrow and 'shift' legends. that way, it won't look out of place with the classic ansi sets and the with the new originative sets as well. reasoning and thoughts are here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49175.msg1187982#msg1187982) and here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49175.msg1188039#msg1188039). Now I realize that might not be as popular with more ISO users here, so that leads me to a question...should I provide 1x 2.75 shift in ansi legends, AND 1x2.75 in ISO legends? meaning, one (with just the arrow) to match the 1.25 shift (with just the arrow) for ISO users, and one (with arrow and 'shift') to match the 2.25 shift (with arrow and 'shift') for ANSI users? I think it would be better for all users, but add to cost. Please tell me your thoughts. the concern about 'Alt Gr' and whether or not to include it is discussed in the next section despite being a legend problem.

Do you agree with me about using all ANSI Legends (except for 1.25 shift)? Should there be a 2.75 shift using ISO shift legends to match the 1.25 iso shift?

A Profile and B Profile
With the original CMYK set, It was all B. B profile (i.e. the shift row or 'bottom row') is used for bottom row and the spacebar row on more recent cherries, and is what Sherry is doing with his Originative sets as well. Boards before 1996, Before 1.25 and windows keys were introduced, had used A Profile for the Spacebar Row, which is a bit taller then B Profile (11.15 mm versus 7.40 mm). Photo here - thanks Photekq (and credit to Litster) (http://i.imgur.com/Wyi9cpv.jpg). Now, whether or not to include 1.5 caps in A Profile. They are just 4 more caps (or 6 if Alt Gr if is included), so that will add to cost. If we are adding them, then doubling the amount of each shift is ideal, giving the set the ability to fit two keyboards (1.5 A /shifts  & 1.5 B / shifts) being used at one time. This would then add to the size and possible cost. A profile is quite enjoyable, a little harder to find but really nice. The thing is, because B is more common, and the originative sets are all in B, having just 4 keycaps in A while the rest of the board is in B would make for an out-of-place look. It would work fine with a 60% board, because the spacebar row would universally be A profile, but not on TKL or Full-Sized Boards. T

Should A Profile be included at all? Would add to the size and cost of the set, but would be A Profile!  8-)

Size of the Set
Now..the last big problem remaining..the size. Cost is very dependent on size, so while we await a reply from GMK, it's best to get together possible sizes of the set. Now, if you haven't heard, Ivan succeeded in lowering MOQ from 400 to 250.. which is fantastic. we have yet to confirm if that low 250 MOQ applies to other buyers from Deskthority and Geekhack. Ivan said he thinks it will, but let's just wait for a quote and reply. So, because 250 and 400 are two very different numbers, I think planning accordingly is smart. If it will just be 250 MOQ, then it will obviously be a lot easier, and so more variation in the set will be possible, That's just the part of the mind set needed while thinking about what to change, remove or add to the set.

Alt Gr, and whether or not to include it. Personally, I don't think we need it. I know it goes a lot better for ISO, but all and all and for the point of matching, I think it will be fine to just have Alt, and no Alt Gr. factor in including A profile and it all stacks up to a huge massive set. Here are the possibilities:

1. Maximum Caps, double shifts, yes to all the questions asked, everything included, will accommodate most, will be expensive and hard to hit.
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.25 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

2. What I'd Like to do, based on my preferences, will accommodate less, but will make MOQ easier to hit, moderate, good price, least amount of ISO love :?
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg

3. Largest, will accommodate 2 separate keyboards in either ISO or ANSI at the same time, will hurt your wallet's feelings, and will be most expensive and hardest to hit.
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.25 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr B ISO Leg
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A ANSI Leg
1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

4. Smallest, No A profile, easiest to hit and most similar in size to CMYK, also the cheapest
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ANSI ISO
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg

5. Final
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

Schedule & Updates:
1/17/14: Message Sent to GMK
1/23/14: Quotes received
1/24/14: Final set chosen and quote requested, finalizing details with international proxies and paypal


Last Words:
Please, let me know your thoughts and any advice or interest you have about it. If you think I'm wrong about something, or should change something, Please tell me. If you would enter this GB, please post and show it.

All help is appreciated :)

Dubs
Title: Re: [IC] CMYK White Legends
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:01:43
Let's do it!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYK White Legends
Post by: sherryton on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:02:13
White legends FTW
Title: Re: [IC] CMYK White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:06:59
And the idea came from...

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1060501#msg1060501

Just an interest check

 :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYK White Legends
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:14:13
NVM off to the strip joint.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYK White Legends
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:19:24
interested, like white legend more than black legend
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:36:23
interested, like white legend more than black legend
it will be white legends, Dubs forgot to change the K=black with W=white.

Btw Dubs this is what I spoke about, the x1 keys Page and Windows made in the pink Salmon color like in the picture of the Handerbeit that I'm attaching. Its the keys F5-F8, also the + key on the numberpad.

Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:40:46
In if you go with GMK to make them!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:42:25
In if you go with GMK to make them!
it will be GMK, here we go again Dubs put GMK in the topic area....lol

Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:43:02
Show Image
(http://i1.minus.com/iZgWJgK1toThw.jpg)


(lovely photo credits goes to Dianoda)

That looks familiar...   ;D

And I'm in!  Very interested in this.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: quochung1989 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:48:52
Just interested RGB fit Dolch set. Will GMK product they? Dubs
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 30 September 2013, 22:52:25

Just interested RGB fit Dolch set. Will GMK product they? Dubs

It would be GMK
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LONGZILLA on Mon, 30 September 2013, 23:00:13

Just interested RGB fit Dolch set. Will GMK product they? Dubs

It would be GMK

nice
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 30 September 2013, 23:01:57
You have my attention.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ___q on Mon, 30 September 2013, 23:10:43
So much yes, I would be in for this.  Especially if it had all the options for various layouts (1.25x and 1.5x, along with all the crazy sizes of shift).

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) MOQ was hard for CMYK, and I can see CMYW being trickier to pull off MOQ for (I can imagine people not liking white-on-yellow, for instance).

But, this would look _so good_ with dolch.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 01 October 2013, 03:11:52
Interesting!

Are you thinking of a simple 6 Key Set or a big Mod set like IvanIvanovich did?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 01 October 2013, 04:51:39
Sounds great, but I have one question: Will GMK be making these?


;)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 01 October 2013, 07:44:44
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: quochung1989 on Tue, 01 October 2013, 08:09:55
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.

Oh. Will you open & run this GB, Ivan? I hope that ;)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 01 October 2013, 17:34:48
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.

Great to hear!

Please everyone continue to post your interest!  :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: reiuorw on Tue, 01 October 2013, 18:23:01
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.

great!

what about GMK RGB w/ white legend including 1.75x shift?

Redline sells GMK RGB w/ black legend including 1.75x shift, but when originative sold GMK RGB w/ white legend, there isn't 1.75x shift.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:02:57
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.

great!

what about GMK RGB w/ white legend including 1.75x shift?

Redline sells GMK RGB w/ black legend including 1.75x shift, but when originative sold GMK RGB w/ white legend, there isn't 1.75x shift.

there will be IC for Handerbeit and RGBY by originative pretty soon, keep ur eyes open.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:05:43
(http://i.imgur.com/ELsxkh4.jpg)

Yeah I don't know about that white on yellow.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:15:33
It'd be similar to Tai Hao yellow DS caps:

(http://i.imgur.com/vdDAR4x.jpg)
(more orange than they are in person.  no issues with contrast of white on yellow).
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:16:23
Which has a hint of orange to it ;O
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:16:53
Which has a hint of orange to it ;O

I've made a note about it.  It's just how it photographed.

e: just took a new picture.  (yes, the rainbow "yellow" is actually yellow-green)

(http://i.imgur.com/OZ5z7cU.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: moogle on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:58:44
missed CMYK; in for CMYW
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:21:30
yeah..white on yellow  :-X
thnx for the mock up sifo

possibly a darker shade of yellow..or something else entirely..
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: DrugER on Tue, 01 October 2013, 22:30:34
very interested...

plz legending on shift !!!

Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 01 October 2013, 22:54:26
Which has a hint of orange to it ;O

I've made a note about it.  It's just how it photographed.

e: just took a new picture.  (yes, the rainbow "yellow" is actually yellow-green)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OZ5z7cU.jpg)


I'll be interested to compare these to my other yellow keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:23:02
I would so jump on Handarbeit!!!
Already have CMYK but I agree, on Dolch this would look nice.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 October 2013, 17:28:07
The contrast of the white on yellow isn't good. And changing the yellow would not be cool. CMY has a certain yellow.

Also, mating these with Handarbeit wouldn't look good. There is already so much color there, and these colors don't match anything going on in that set.

That being said, if they're GMK, I will buy them.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 03 October 2013, 08:58:14
While the contrast between the white and yellow isn't ideal... it's tolerable I think for 2 keys. I definitely wouldn't want a whole set like that. I have a sample white on yellow key because I was very concerned about that.

The other way to do it, would be to have color legend on black or dark grey key. It would be more subtle style that would still fit in better with white on color and take care of the contrast problem. I was also planning to try an RGB set like that with color legend on beige and/or black keys.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 03 October 2013, 09:04:17
I think the colored legends would be nice on black keys for sure. Darker colors for better contrast. I'd like to see how they look on beige before I pass judgment.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 03 October 2013, 10:26:48
RGB legends on beige was done quite a bit on some Alps boards back in the day like this
(http://escrapohio.com/ebaypictures/1998-1.JPG)

I think it looks pretty good like that.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 03 October 2013, 10:30:41
It does look fairly good. It might actually look better with Cherry legends, being their they're thicker.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: sheknet on Thu, 03 October 2013, 12:00:29
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 03 October 2013, 13:25:24
Of the two readily available GMK yellows, there is a mustard yellow and CMY yellow.
the mustard yellow would look horrible with CMYW, so it shouldn't be used.
The contrast could be bad, but it could turn out fine.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 03 October 2013, 13:35:02
Would the mustard be the one that is on offer at EK? I was wondering if they were the same color as the CMY yellow or not.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: phetto on Thu, 03 October 2013, 13:37:04
I was already thinking to do this in the next GMK buy, along with some other smaller things.

ISO rgb shifts? :D:D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 03 October 2013, 14:02:18
Would the mustard be the one that is on offer at EK? I was wondering if they were the same color as the CMY yellow or not.

I'm not 100% sure
I do have pictures of that mustard but i'll go dig them up
imagine some close to the yellow on the handarbeit spacebar
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 03 October 2013, 16:11:00
The other way to do it, would be to have color legend on black or dark grey key. It would be more subtle style that would still fit in better with white on color and take care of the contrast problem. I was also planning to try an RGB set like that with color legend on beige and/or black keys.

Aha, here is an example of the RGB on beige in Cherry font.

(https://www.originativeco.com/media/com_hikashop/upload/img_0258.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 03 October 2013, 16:12:36
The other way to do it, would be to have color legend on black or dark grey key. It would be more subtle style that would still fit in better with white on color and take care of the contrast problem. I was also planning to try an RGB set like that with color legend on beige and/or black keys.

Aha, here is an example of the RGB on beige in Cherry font.

Show Image
(https://www.originativeco.com/media/com_hikashop/upload/img_0258.jpg)


That actually looks really good. I'd use those.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 03 October 2013, 16:16:42
Personally i would not. not because it's the font, but i much prefer full red, green and blue caps. Easier to tell as well.

I think RGB sets should never touch Dolch, (all preference), so i believe that CMYW would be perfect

I really fell in love with dianoda's photo..

the reason why i don't just pick up a normal CMYK set is because

1) Black legends on dolch
2) I think CMYK looks like shieeeet on beige

that's just my opinion
RGB looks great on beige however...

Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 03 October 2013, 17:26:13
The other way to do it, would be to have color legend on black or dark grey key. It would be more subtle style that would still fit in better with white on color and take care of the contrast problem. I was also planning to try an RGB set like that with color legend on beige and/or black keys.

Aha, here is an example of the RGB on beige in Cherry font.

Show Image
(https://www.originativeco.com/media/com_hikashop/upload/img_0258.jpg)


That actually looks really good. I'd use those.

Don't they!

My Model M has a couple of modifiers coloured like that - it works.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: r3dx on Thu, 03 October 2013, 17:36:31
Interested! I'm loving all of the GMK stuff coming out recently.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 October 2013, 06:16:28
ISO stuff will always be available in my buys when possible. At least the modifiers are not so difficult... alpha sets remains to be seen.
There are a lot of different tastes. The tricky thing is coming up with things that have a broad enough appeal that are interesting which will make the MOQ.

I just got a GMK stock color ring in (it's actually a few dozen keycaps with lasered color codes on them), don't have a camera though :(
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 05 October 2013, 14:56:32
Interest.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Forever on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:37:34
looks really nice
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: aj-kun on Wed, 09 October 2013, 09:13:47
want
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: xFuz on Wed, 09 October 2013, 17:37:24
Can we do blue legends? :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: sprit on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:22:36
RGB legends on beige was done quite a bit on some Alps boards back in the day like this
Show Image
(http://escrapohio.com/ebaypictures/1998-1.JPG)


I think it looks pretty good like that.   
Good to see the Omnikey.     i prefer White Legends on Colours . 
[attach=1]        But these RGB Legends On Greys are cute aren't  they ?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: amasokin on Thu, 10 October 2013, 14:30:33
VERY interested!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 10 October 2013, 21:28:46
I think the colored legends would be nice on black keys for sure. Darker colors for better contrast. I'd like to see how they look on beige before I pass judgment.

Here is a picture of the RGB set from my Focus.
(http://i.imgur.com/0Yv4OKj.jpg)
I definitely think this would be cool if the keycaps were white and the legends CMYK.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Nojo on Fri, 11 October 2013, 02:23:22
Interested!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: sprit on Fri, 11 October 2013, 04:41:54
I Love this Idea,  I've tried some combo. Need More White Legends on Colors !

What about including Caps and Enters?  if Possible, IMHO                         덥스님 거기 덥습니까? ^^
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: sprit on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:03:44
very interested...
plz legending on shift !!!

Put white letters on Both Shifts plz, Dubs!   :thumb:  "  To fulfil the Mission! "
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 11 October 2013, 12:15:28
very interested...
plz legending on shift !!!

Put white letters on Both Shifts plz, Dubs!   :thumb:  "  To fulfil the Mission! "

that would be the plan!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: snoopy on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:42:29
any news on this?

I just bought a dolch pac and this would be the perfect addition. :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: korrelate on Tue, 05 November 2013, 02:04:53
ISO stuff will always be available in my buys when possible. At least the modifiers are not so difficult... alpha sets remains to be seen.
There are a lot of different tastes. The tricky thing is coming up with things that have a broad enough appeal that are interesting which will make the MOQ.

I just got a GMK stock color ring in (it's actually a few dozen keycaps with lasered color codes on them), don't have a camera though :(

^^^ Please, Please, Please Post Pics Ivan!!! ^^^^


Also... 100% Interested in this. RGB or CM**, whatever... I really need a White On Whatever, particularly if it's GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: naokira on Tue, 05 November 2013, 02:30:23
add 1x1 windowed keys for row B please :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Vintage on Tue, 05 November 2013, 15:55:35
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: digi on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:27:15
Think there is and will be plenty interest in this. It's just gonna be up to you to get the GB going and if you do, thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Wildcard on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:49:12
In
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: NyanCat on Tue, 19 November 2013, 08:08:40
must in haha
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: archer on Tue, 19 November 2013, 10:29:36
I'd be in for a set! (especially if GMK)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 19 November 2013, 10:34:04
I'd be in for a set! (especially if GMK)

It will be GMK, and have classic cherry legends, so not just the arrows on the shifts.

This will move to GB at some point, this wasn't just a hopeless IC :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 19 November 2013, 23:11:04
I love my black on CMY, but will there be enough contrast with white, especially on the yellow?  If this has already been addressed, I'm sorry, just wondering since I do love the current CMY sets.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Tue, 19 November 2013, 23:17:42
Vote for color legends on black.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 20 November 2013, 00:27:49
I'm in for white on CMY just the way it appears in the original post. Almost because of the low contrast btw the white on yellow.

The way it stands now (thanks dianoda for that awesome pic) certainly complements dolch very well but I suspect it would work well on any WoX keyset (X any dark color).

Also... The low contrast on yellow screams enthusiast at me in a way that makes me want to listen. Because... It still looks elegant as hell and let's face it: if you're using this on any WoX set (which I suspect would be the primary use case here) how much contrast do you need? You aren't going to have ANY other yellow keys in this usage scenario so the fact that you doubleshot its legends in white is just "more sauce for the goose" in a way that only an enthusiast would appreciate.

And what's more: to my eyes at least, these aren't just uber enthusiast, they are uber elegant and some how more serious and deliberate looking than WoRGB (which I also love).

Of course GMK only though: goes w/o saying, I suppose.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 November 2013, 00:31:35
GMK really rocks, its keys have the exact shape to fit very well against each other and their square corners look just right. I have some SP's and they leave wider gaps in between and floats over the edge of the board. They just don't like as nice as GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: piraterice on Wed, 20 November 2013, 05:35:08
looks good and good to do it!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 November 2013, 07:07:05
looks good and good to do it!

so much good!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: aj-kun on Wed, 20 November 2013, 20:42:14
I WOULD LIKE SOME CMYW TOO
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 21 November 2013, 13:30:56
Still interested

Gib updates
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: FRQ on Fri, 22 November 2013, 18:17:20
I'd be interested in at least one set of these, perhaps a few!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 22 November 2013, 18:20:42
Things are being planned guys...

Input on the mustardy or the cmyk yellow would be nice, it's a big decision

I'd be interested in at least one set of these, perhaps a few!

Welcome to GH!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: FRQ on Fri, 22 November 2013, 18:26:36
Things are being planned guys...

Input on the mustardy or the cmyk yellow would be nice, it's a big decision

I found this thread because I'm specifically after a CMYK set with white legends.

Quote
Welcome to GH!

Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: korrelate on Fri, 22 November 2013, 19:39:38
Things are being planned guys...

Input on the mustardy or the cmyk yellow would be nice, it's a big decision

I'd be interested in at least one set of these, perhaps a few!

Welcome to GH!


I need to see some pics of "mustardy" yellow to compare with "cmyk" yellow ... just to be sure.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 22 November 2013, 22:03:09
(http://i.imgur.com/w3y2Zlw.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: SlithyDash on Fri, 22 November 2013, 22:43:50
Interested in a set!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 23 November 2013, 01:35:57
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/w3y2Zlw.jpg)


Rawrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: korrelate on Sat, 23 November 2013, 02:30:24
Is Ivan's Esc pic mustardy yellow or cmyw yellow?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 23 November 2013, 02:39:50
Is Ivan's Esc pic mustardy yellow or cmyw yellow?

Close enough!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 23 November 2013, 11:03:24
That Esc is the darker yellow it's more orangey than the one used in CMYK pack.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: korrelate on Sat, 23 November 2013, 12:32:50
And how's about a pic of a cmyw yellow? Anybody have a an actual picture of that color??
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: FRQ on Sat, 23 November 2013, 16:54:19
There are plenty of pictures in the CMYK GB thread, I'm assuming it would be the same, for instance: click (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017.msg940794#msg940794)

I prefer the true CMYK yellow, but honestly the so called "mustard" yellow isn't nearly as dark as I imagined, I had forgotten American mustard is a strange, artificial yellow. :D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: SlithyDash on Sun, 24 November 2013, 00:25:54
Is it possible to also add the purple mods that came with the CMYK GB into this?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 24 November 2013, 00:46:39
WoP Windows/Menu logo would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Poi on Sun, 24 November 2013, 09:29:51
very interested in this.

when would this go?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 09 January 2014, 02:53:43
If we went this way with a windows/Apple/Menu key in both 1.5x 1.25x and 1x I would be so in. The big decision would be colour though. Probably just black with a white logo.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 January 2014, 07:08:12
Why is this not a thing yet?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 07:09:40
I'm still very interested in this (and hope it has iso left shift)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 09 January 2014, 07:25:49
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 09 January 2014, 07:31:26
I'm also very interested in this. I believe Ivan mentioned recently that he was thinking of running CMYK R2, maybe he could be convinced of CMYW instead?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 January 2014, 08:48:01
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.

Don't forget AltGr.

2x WoC 1.00 AltGr
2x WoC 1.25 AltGr
2x WoC 1.50 Altgr

Total 26 keys

:thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 09:51:29
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.

Don't forget AltGr.

2x WoC 1.00 AltGr
2x WoC 1.25 AltGr
2x WoC 1.50 Altgr

Total 26 keys

:thumb:

I think it needs only one of each (Alt Gr). Or do I forget something?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:22:41
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.

Don't forget AltGr.

2x WoC 1.00 AltGr
2x WoC 1.25 AltGr
2x WoC 1.50 Altgr

Total 26 keys

:thumb:

I think it needs only one of each (Alt Gr). Or do I forget something?

The 2x thing is to try and reduce MOQ
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:23:22
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.

Don't forget AltGr.

2x WoC 1.00 AltGr
2x WoC 1.25 AltGr
2x WoC 1.50 Altgr

Total 26 keys

:thumb:

I think it needs only one of each (Alt Gr). Or do I forget something?

True, but if they are sold in pairs, we only have to meet half the MOQ. :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Vintage on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:26:14
Yeah this would definitely be cool. Even if we have to pay for extra keys to meet MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:41:10
To tackle the GMK MOQ, I would recommend a set containing:
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl
2x WoC 1.00 Alt
2x WoC 1.25 Alt
2x WoC 1.50 Alt
2x WoY 1.25 Shift
2x WoY 1.75 Shift
2x WoY 2.25 Shift
2x WoY 2.75 Shift

Total 20 keys

I know there a number of extras, however it also means we only need to hit 200 MOQ as everything is in even numbers.

Don't forget AltGr.

2x WoC 1.00 AltGr
2x WoC 1.25 AltGr
2x WoC 1.50 Altgr

Total 26 keys

 :thumb:

I think it needs only one of each (Alt Gr). Or do I forget something?


Such a teaser...
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 09 January 2014, 12:49:37
It would only need 1x Alt Gr to make it traditional, but moq is the challenge here.

the big question, the white on yellow. we need opinions, about the expected and extremely high contrast. would people be ok with that? I believe sifo (? or someone) kindly gave me a render/photoshop of what it would it would look like. That's in the OP.

Jd did suggest blanks in irc sometime back....personally I prefer white over blanks for a mod set like this.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 09 January 2014, 13:26:47
I think WoY might not have a strong enough contrast, however the WoC and WoM look really good, so when the three are used together it would look very nice. On blanks, personally I am not really fond of blanks.

I forgot to check the EK yellow and the CMYK yellow when I got them (Go damn it!), however IIRC they were the same (Don't quote me on this :P).
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Thu, 09 January 2014, 13:52:43
Personally, I'd prefer RGB legends on black or beige, subtle but way more stylish. CMYW are more an industrial keyboard design. White on yellow just do not look good. If the interested parties decide to go for the CMYW, I think white on yellow should be better blank keys instead. Just I grain of salt.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 09 January 2014, 13:56:30
Just an FYI guys, The Shift Caps will actually feature 'shift' and the arrow, as opposed to the original CMYK gb, with just the arrow.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 14:57:54
I think WoY might not have a strong enough contrast, however the WoC and WoM look really good, so when the three are used together it would look very nice. On blanks, personally I am not really fond of blanks.

I forgot to check the EK yellow and the CMYK yellow when I got them (Go damn it!), however IIRC they were the same (Don't quote me on this :P).

Tai Hao has white on yellow - it is reasonably legible.

Although if the yellow are Shift with only the arrow on it - would it really matter?  Also Shifts are generally amongst the largest keys on the keyboard, so it would be kinda obvious what they are.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 09 January 2014, 15:09:48
I'd prefer white on the CMY yellow. Contrast won't be great, but it will look fine and will be way more consistent. Blank shifts would stand out a lot more and aren't appealing to me at all.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:50:38
Although if the yellow are Shift with only the arrow on it - would it really matter?  Also Shifts are generally amongst the largest keys on the keyboard, so it would be kinda obvious what they are.

Rowdy - It's more about looks really, not identifying that it is the shift cap.
as you can see in the pics, ANSI shifts have the arrow and 'shift', while the ISO shifts have just the arrows.
It's really personal preference, and about appearance, and honestly I don't like seeing the ISO shift legends on ANSI shifts ( just arrows on ansi sized shifts, like the CMYK buy) . I just much prefer the text being there, it matches classic ansi sets.
(http://pds.egloos.com/pds/1/200508/26/06/c0025306_345222.jpg)
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/0/0b/G80-1000HFD_001.jpg)

I'd prefer white on the CMY yellow. Contrast won't be great, but it will look fine and will be way more consistent. Blank shifts would stand out a lot more and aren't appealing to me at all.

I don't think it was ever just blank shifts, if we went with 'blanks', it would be every cap..and I think the majority prefers the white legends. the contrast might be a little bad on the shifts, but won't be unbearable.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:57:38
Since the whole point of this is to match the white legends on many sets (Dolch, WoB) I think it's better suited to keep the legend color White even on the Yellow shifts.  Yes, there may be contrast issues, but the whole point is to get consistent legends colors, so if we do something else with it we will just mess up that continuity that we're actually aiming for here.

So I vote for White legends on Yellow.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Vintage on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:06:20
^^ Agreed. I think white legends is better than blanks. (imo)

And I like having the text and the arrow on the shift.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:34:26
I also vote for white on yellow.  The legend will still be visible, and it's more about the overall look, which will be matching.  Black on yellow looks dramatically different.  Just look at the EK GMK modifiers--the yellow ones really stand out with the black-toned legends.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:41:29
Since the whole point of this is to match the white legends on many sets (Dolch, WoB) I think it's better suited to keep the legend color White even on the Yellow shifts.  Yes, there may be contrast issues, but the whole point is to get consistent legends colors, so if we do something else with it we will just mess up that continuity that we're actually aiming for here.

So I vote for White legends on Yellow.

I vote thusly too!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:45:02
I third that suggestion

Legends on everything pls
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 10 January 2014, 00:57:17
Looks more or less unanimous. Go team WoY!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: n0rvig on Fri, 10 January 2014, 01:05:29
Just an FYI guys, The Shift Caps will actually feature 'shift' and the arrow, as opposed to the original CMYK gb, with just the arrow.

Too bad. I much prefer the more minimal look without the text.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LONGZILLA on Fri, 10 January 2014, 11:57:55
Just an FYI guys, The Shift Caps will actually feature 'shift' and the arrow, as opposed to the original CMYK gb, with just the arrow.

Too bad. I much prefer the more minimal look without the text.

Textless makes sense when there's other textless modifiers, e.g. caps, tab, return... but when it's just the shifts, it just seems out of place.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 10 January 2014, 12:00:59
This looks like quorum to me ;). TAKE MY MONEY.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 10 January 2014, 12:28:25
Just an FYI guys, The Shift Caps will actually feature 'shift' and the arrow, as opposed to the original CMYK gb, with just the arrow.

Too bad. I much prefer the more minimal look without the text.

Textless makes sense when there's other textless modifiers, e.g. caps, tab, return... but when it's just the shifts, it just seems out of place.

That's the idea n0r :)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 10 January 2014, 12:55:49
(http://i.imgur.com/qiPYESi.jpg)

this is an example of where it would look right and not 'out-of-place'. The Tab, shifts, enter and backspace, all have 'iso' legends on ansi-sized mods. there it's fitting, but with the number of gmk/cherry sets out with that specific legend set, it doesn't make a lot of sense and a lot of of classic sets wouldn't match.
A lot of the new sets like with Sherry have both the classic legends for ansi as well as the iso legends on ansi...so handarbeit, and cryllic and the recent dolch sets come with this add on pack.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7399/10318992043_6f47b27baa_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/99760972@N03/10318992043/)

there is the full recent dolch set (minus my enter and \ caps) and the add on pack is on the right. as you can see, it could work and match this specific set if you chose to...but not most older cherry sets.
Ivan's current and full set/international buy has these 'iso legends' in 'ansi size' as the only option, so if you like then, place an order (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48798.0). it's a nice large set in a dolch-ish grey color for a great price.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: n0rvig on Fri, 10 January 2014, 14:19:58
Gotcha, I see what you're up to.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: phoenix1234 on Wed, 15 January 2014, 16:30:58
I'm interested in the set.
I was convinced by both white on Magenta and Cyan.  :thumb:

However, I'm not so sure about white on pure Yellow.
Here are 2 samples that I tried to generate, one with 100% Yellow and the other mixed with 20% Magenta (a bit more Orange as Sifo and other GHers highlighted before me)

100% Yellow
[attachimg=1]

100% Yellow + 20% Magenta => Orange tendency
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:06:02
In light of recent events, official organization of the group buy is underway

If you have interest in A profile versus B profile, please post here

will be doing white on that original yellow
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:08:08
In light of recent events, official organization of the group buy is underway

If you have interest in A profile versus B profile, please post here

will be doing white on that original yellow

So excited! This GB is the first thing I thought of when I saw 250 MOQ doubleshots…
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LONGZILLA on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:15:30
In light of recent events, official organization of the group buy is underway

If you have interest in A profile versus B profile, please post here

will be doing white on that original yellow

What's the difference between the profiles? What have the other GMK set's modifiers been?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:17:21
(http://i.imgur.com/Wyi9cpv.jpg)

Short ones = B profile
Tall ones = A profile

Personally, I find A profile so, so much better.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:20:04
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Wyi9cpv.jpg)


Short ones = B profile
Tall ones = A profile

Personally, I find A profile so, so much better.

Isn't B profile compatible with the newer sets coming from GMK, though? It would look odd to have only a few A profile caps…
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:21:20
Isn't B profile compatible with the newer sets coming from GMK, though? It would look odd to have only a few A profile caps…
Look at old Cherry sets. They use A-profile bottom rows, while the rest of the set is the same as new GMK sets. A profile matches just as well as B profile. It just gives a slightly different look and feel.

Sherry's BSP beige two tone sets have A-profile bottom rows. His BSP RGB modifiers have B-profile bottom rows. His GMK sets have B-profile bottom rows.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:27:31
Isn't B profile compatible with the newer sets coming from GMK, though? It would look odd to have only a few A profile caps…
Look at old Cherry sets. They use A-profile bottom rows, while the rest of the set is the same as new GMK sets. A profile matches just as well as B profile. It just gives a slightly different look and feel.

Sherry's BSP beige two tone sets have A-profile bottom rows. His BSP RGB modifiers have B-profile bottom rows. His GMK sets have B-profile bottom rows.

I'm aware that A profile matches in that sense. One of the original thoughts behind this IC though was matching CMYW with Dolch. Seems like a fair number of people will be using Sherry's GMK Dolch, which means the bottom row would be a mix of A and B profiles. Seems like a bummer.

There's not really a perfect solution to this though. Would it be possible to include A and B profile bottom rows in the kit? Creating separate kits doesn't seem to be the solution at all since MOQ is still a challenge.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 January 2014, 11:32:18
I'm aware that A profile matches in that sense. One of the original thoughts behind this IC though was matching CMYW with Dolch. Seems like a fair number of people will be using Sherry's GMK Dolch, which means the bottom row would be a mix of A and B profiles. Seems like a bummer.

There's not really a perfect solution to this though. Would it be possible to include A and B profile bottom rows in the kit? Creating separate kits doesn't seem to be the solution at all since MOQ is still a challenge.


Ah, sorry.
(http://i.imgur.com/WmaYo5d.png)

I guess it would be best to go for B-profile since GMK sets are more popular than OG cherry sets. . It just sucks for people like myself who swear by a-profile.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 16 January 2014, 12:27:24
It's extremely uncommon white on Xcolor set come with A profile, so it wouldn't really match up with any rest of currently existing set... though I suppose it is fine in case of 60%. If going to do A profile, I think solution is to do both A and B, not only A.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 16 January 2014, 13:51:46
I'd like A but for compatible I would go with profile B.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:29:55
If you are using 60%, A profile would work perfect, but factor in all the boards that won't be just 60%, and A profile wont really match well. I think I'd prefer A, for form and because I'm using a 60%, but for the whole group I think it's better for B profile, just for the sake of matching. I wish everyone could have the chance to try A! Maybe then everyone would jump for A.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:31:44
If you are using 60%, A profile would work perfect, but factor in all the boards that won't be just 60%, and A profile wont really match well. I think I'd prefer A, for form and because I'm using a 60%, but for the whole group I think it's better for B profile, just for the sake of matching. I wish everyone could have the chance to try A! Maybe then everyone would jump for A.

Might be worth checking how much more it would cost to include both profiles.  I'd be willing to pay for both to have the options.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:37:48
Might be worth checking how much more it would cost to include both profiles.  I'd be willing to pay for both to have the options.

That's a good idea, but then you have to think about factoring in 1.25 AND 1.5 mods...would probably jack up the price a bit.

It would be..

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl A
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A
2x WoC 1.25 Alt A
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B

then..alt gr possibly, and then one unit blanks... I think it might be too much
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:43:31
Might be worth checking how much more it would cost to include both profiles.  I'd be willing to pay for both to have the options.

That's a good idea, but then you have to think about factoring in 1.25 AND 1.5 mods...would probably jack up the price a bit.

It would be..

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B
2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl A
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl A
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl A
2x WoC 1.00 Alt A
2x WoC 1.25 Alt A
2x WoC 1.50 Alt A
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B

then..alt gr possibly, and then one unit blanks... I think it might be too much

Hmm, that's very true...I wonder if there could be any support for doing one size (1.25 or 1.5) in both profiles and the other sizes in only one?  I know that might be controversial but I'm just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:48:56
Hmm, that's very true...I wonder if there could be any support for doing one size (1.25 or 1.5) in both profiles and the other sizes in only one?  I know that might be controversial but I'm just throwing it out there.

That's what I was thinking too...1.5 in A & B, and just 1.25 in B...(cant imagine 1.25 in A lol)

--

another thing to think about, the 'doubles for half moq' thing versus the new official 250 moq...maybe now we can shoot for 250 and not have so many duplicate shifts and 1x with legends...

unless people wanted the extras, but that would just add to the price. need more thoughts and opinions  ^-^

looks like theres been enough interest, this will move along very shortly
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 17 January 2014, 01:13:42
With the double for half MOQ we should most certainly meet MOQ (Only need 125 sets), even without the doubles, we might hit 250, but you can't be too sure, since Ivan's recent GB only got around 90-130 for all the sets except Esc and Spacebar.

This colorway is more popular, so we should do better numbers, but you can't be sure until we get the actual orders in. Maybe get quotes on both options, one with doubles and one without, see how many orders we get and then go from there.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 17 January 2014, 07:14:24
I'd prefer to buy just one set, but I'd be in for two in a heartbeat if it was necessary to hit MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 17 January 2014, 14:37:14
I would have to go back and look, but I think there is not even such a thing as 1.25 A profile, only 1, 1.5 and 2. A profile I've only seen on older winkeyless and Cherry switched to B on bottom row widely long before winkey was common.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 18 January 2014, 02:09:19
I'd prefer to buy just one set, but I'd be in for two in a heartbeat if it was necessary to hit MOQ.

What he said ;)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Vintage on Sat, 18 January 2014, 10:16:52
Same ^^
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 19 January 2014, 18:43:21
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cmyw-gmk-group-buy-t7282.html#p144068

IC better laid out at DT. Will update the OP to the same as that. please post interest there if you have an existing account.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Pac Caps on Sun, 19 January 2014, 18:54:48
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cmyw-gmk-group-buy-t7282.html#p144068

IC better laid out at DT. Will update the OP to the same as that. please post interest there if you have an existing account.

Sexy :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:06:48
The Yellow: Original

The Legends: ANSI Legends

A Profile and B Profile: Include both of them

Size of the Set: Set 2.

Suggestion: Make a form :P
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 19 January 2014, 19:08:42
+1 on the form. ;)

I'm interested
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 19 January 2014, 20:50:40
No form needed, don't need that much information from people

added #4, forgot about that one totally  :))
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 21 January 2014, 08:08:26
Interested, option 2 and 4 are both OK with me.

Easiest to get to the MOQ is important I believe.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Tue, 21 January 2014, 08:46:50
I ain't sure but I think most of the vintage WoB are B profile, and BoB are A profile. I have one set each and have those profiles.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: ideus on Tue, 21 January 2014, 08:52:34
Interested in #4. Yeah I know that's the cheap. Reason is MOQ-wise.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 21 January 2014, 10:30:15
interest
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:20:15
IC for this has started in Korea so, should be easy to meet the new lower MOQ I suppose :D can't wait
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:24:28
IC for this has started in Korea so

Should be easy to meet MOQ I suppose

yeah I posted it over there a few days ago and have been talking with some people.
I think they can help with about 100-150 orders for MOQ
Was it posted at OTD? I didn't there because of the american-telephone-sign-up problems haha
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sai on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:27:10
IC for this has started in Korea so

Should be easy to meet MOQ I suppose

yeah I posted it over there a few days ago and have been talking with some people.
I think they can help with about 100-150 orders for MOQ
Was it posted at OTD? I didn't there because of the american-telephone-sign-up problems haha
if only i had the required post counts, i could help you to post there.  :(

may be sifo or meosis can help ?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:27:15
Can't seem to find it on otd either :'(

Probably because JackAss posted it on kbd... I guess someone could cross post it to otd with no harm done.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:32:39
if only i had the required post counts, i could help you to post there.  :(

may be sifo or meosis can help ?
Can't seem to find it on otd either :'(

Probably because JackAss posted it on kbd... I guess someone could cross post it to otd with no harm done.

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/market_info/8032083

there's my post guys...try not to cringe too bad at my ****ty korean translation and english.. :))

I've talked to 2 friends and they said we could get 100-150 from korea and china combined, so add that to Geekhack (unsure) and then add that to DT (unsure but smaller)
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:35:49
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_gb_outside&document_srl=39348

Here's JackAss' presumably well translated and nice looking version.

It's well received.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:39:23
My keyboard will be world famous before we know it.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:42:49
My keyboard will be world famous before we know it.

MY photoshop paintbucket "skills" ._.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 21 January 2014, 21:43:16
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_gb_outside&document_srl=39348

Here's JackAss' presumably well translated and nice looking version.

It's well received.

Indeed, he made that mockup for me and it's not entirely accurate to what's going to actually happen, so i don't want that to give people the wrong idea

regardless, should have a quote soon so all the messiness and speculation will be over

My keyboard will be world famous before we know it.

It's only a matter of time now..
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Wed, 22 January 2014, 06:14:03
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_gb_outside&document_srl=39348

Here's JackAss' presumably well translated and nice looking version.

It's well received.

Indeed, he made that mockup for me and it's not entirely accurate to what's going to actually happen, so i don't want that to give people the wrong idea

regardless, should have a quote soon so all the messiness and speculation will be over

My keyboard will be world famous before we know it.

It's only a matter of time now..
hello sir,

so this upcoming GB will have white fonts only? no black?  :D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LONGZILLA on Wed, 22 January 2014, 10:20:08
hello sir,

so this upcoming GB will have white fonts only? no black?  :D

Black legends is CMYK, done in a previous GB. I think this is for something that hasn't been done before, CMYW
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Wed, 22 January 2014, 10:47:53
hello sir,

so this upcoming GB will have white fonts only? no black?  :D

Black legends is CMYK, done in a previous GB. I think this is for something that hasn't been done before, CMYW
thanks for thge info sir. was looking for that set. guess i have to look in the classifieds for them.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LONGZILLA on Wed, 22 January 2014, 10:53:09
hello sir,

so this upcoming GB will have white fonts only? no black?  :D

Black legends is CMYK, done in a previous GB. I think this is for something that hasn't been done before, CMYW
thanks for thge info sir. was looking for that set. guess i have to look in the classifieds for them.

No worries. Ivan mentioned (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52445#msg1162554) there may be a chance the GB for CMYK may be re-run in spring.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Wed, 22 January 2014, 22:34:05
hello sir,

so this upcoming GB will have white fonts only? no black?  :D

Black legends is CMYK, done in a previous GB. I think this is for something that hasn't been done before, CMYW
thanks for thge info sir. was looking for that set. guess i have to look in the classifieds for them.

No worries. Ivan mentioned (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52445#msg1162554) there may be a chance the GB for CMYK may be re-run in spring.
alright, thanks kind sir. will be watching for that and this one too.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 22 January 2014, 22:42:33
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_gb_outside&document_srl=39348

Here's JackAss' presumably well translated and nice looking version.

It's well received.

"Young prospects are not you in it without moq is unavoidable if you want I'll go bury gikhaek ㅠ ㅠ"

Hahah google translate is hilarious.

Can't wait for this to start!!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Wed, 22 January 2014, 22:59:42
gikhaek?  :))
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:43:56
Ok guys, quotes are in,
it's a $10 Price difference for adding in A profile (kit2)

the question now...do we want A or not?

please review kit 2 versus 1

gikhaek?  :))

Welcome to Gikhaek, ceybords, not 'spoyts
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:49:44
Ok guys, quotes are in,
it's a $10 Price difference for adding in A profile (kit2)

the question now...do we want A or not?

please review kit 2 versus 1

What do you mean? Review "maximum caps" vs "what you'd like"? And could you share the actual quotes next to the actual kits that they're for?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:53:46
Ok guys, quotes are in,
it's a $10 Price difference for adding in A profile (kit2)

the question now...do we want A or not?

please review kit 2 versus 1 4

What do you mean? Review "maximum caps" vs "what you'd like"? And could you share the actual quotes next to the actual kits that they're for?

Basically, are you willing to pay an additional $10 for the A profile caps added from kit 1 4 to kit 2? 

I still vote kit 2.   :thumb:

Edited to fix error.

I wanna try some of that A profile goodness!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:56:16
Ok guys, quotes are in,
it's a $10 Price difference for adding in A profile (kit2)

the question now...do we want A or not?

please review kit 2 versus 1

What do you mean? Review "maximum caps" vs "what you'd like"? And could you share the actual quotes next to the actual kits that they're for?

Basically, are you willing to pay an additional $10 for the A profile caps added from kit 1 to kit 2? 

I still vote kit 2.   :thumb:

Aren't

1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg

the only additional A profile caps from from kit 1 that aren't already in kit 2?

Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious :))
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:58:30
Ok guys, quotes are in,
it's a $10 Price difference for adding in A profile (kit2)

the question now...do we want A or not?

please review kit 2 versus 1

What do you mean? Review "maximum caps" vs "what you'd like"? And could you share the actual quotes next to the actual kits that they're for?

Basically, are you willing to pay an additional $10 for the A profile caps added from kit 1 to kit 2? 

I still vote kit 2.   :thumb:

Aren't

1x WoC 1.00 Alt Gr A ISO Leg
1x WoC 1.50 Alt Gr A ISO Leg

the only additional A profile caps from from kit 1 that aren't already in kit 2?

Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious :))

Dubs made a mistake in his post, it's supposed to be kit 4 (no A profile) vs. kit 2 (reasonable amount of A profile).  :)  Sorry for the confusion!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:59:26
Got it, thanks!

My vote is kit 2. I'm excited to try out A profile.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:52:50
Kit 2. Did you get the quotes based on the double orders orr a standard kit without duplicate shifts? And MOQ?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 23 January 2014, 20:16:29
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cmyw-gmk-group-buy-t7282.html#p144712

After some thought..as much as I'd love A, the price of including it will be too great for some. The Goal of this GB is to hit and test the new MOQ, and so A will be kept out.
thoughts on the final set please..

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

added more support for the ISO legend users. Price before fees and shipping will be $33-45. talk that number with a grain of salts brajs, it's not definite
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 23 January 2014, 20:42:48
The idea of an A profile was tossed around, but I don't think it could reach MOQ
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 24 January 2014, 18:23:34
Set 5 is final, quote inbound..

GB will start soon, finalizing Korean/China proxy & thread, as well as preparing paypal.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 24 January 2014, 18:37:27
Set 5 is final, quote inbound..

GB will start soon, finalizing Korean/China proxy & thread, as well as preparing paypal.

I am in fact, now hype
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 24 January 2014, 19:51:57
Set 5 is final, quote inbound..

GB will start soon, finalizing Korean/China proxy & thread, as well as preparing paypal.

There is no set 5!   :confused:   Is it set 4?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 24 January 2014, 20:04:59
Set 5 is final, quote inbound..

GB will start soon, finalizing Korean/China proxy & thread, as well as preparing paypal.

There is no set 5!   :confused:   Is it set 4?

my fault, set 5:

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 24 January 2014, 20:07:59
Set 5 is final, quote inbound..

GB will start soon, finalizing Korean/China proxy & thread, as well as preparing paypal.

There is no set 5!   :confused:   Is it set 4?

my fault, set 5:

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

Does that added 2.75 shift that's ISO just differ from ANSI by lacking the legend text? 
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 24 January 2014, 20:09:34
Does that added 2.75 shift that's ISO just differ from ANSI by lacking the legend text?
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: phoenix1234 on Fri, 24 January 2014, 20:23:01
I and whoever owned G80-11800 or G80-11900 are curious if GMK has any 2.0 Shift mold?
Please help me to confirm about this.
Appreciate that.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 24 January 2014, 20:25:17
I and whoever owned G80-11800 or G80-11900 are curious if GMK has any 2.0 Shift mold?
Please help me to confirm about this.
Appreciate that.  :D

At this point, it will not be feasible for 2.00 shifts to be included, Sorry Phoenix
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: phoenix1234 on Fri, 24 January 2014, 23:29:15
I and whoever owned G80-11800 or G80-11900 are curious if GMK has any 2.0 Shift mold?
Please help me to confirm about this.
Appreciate that.  :D

At this point, it will not be feasible for 2.00 shifts to be included, Sorry Phoenix

Well noted with thanks.
Anyway, I am very interested in this group buy.
I'm in for 1 set all-in.
 ;D
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 25 January 2014, 06:52:34
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cmyw-gmk-group-buy-t7282.html#p144712

After some thought..as much as I'd love A, the price of including it will be too great for some. The Goal of this GB is to hit and test the new MOQ, and so A will be kept out.
thoughts on the final set please..

2x WoM 1.00 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.25 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoM 1.50 Ctrl B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.00 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.25 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoC 1.50 Alt B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 1.25 Shift B ISO Leg
2x WoY 1.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.25 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ANSI Leg
2x WoY 2.75 Shift B ISO Leg

added more support for the ISO legend users. Price before fees and shipping will be $33-45. talk that number with a grain of salts brajs, it's not definite

Looks good!

Thanks for supporting us ISO folks  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:04:01
Quotes in, color accurate photo in, stock color sample ring in the mail, thread charging.....
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Pac Caps on Mon, 27 January 2014, 22:20:45
What is the difference between ALT GR and ALT?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 January 2014, 22:24:11
What is the difference between ALT GR and ALT?

GR
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Mon, 27 January 2014, 23:24:16
Quotes in, color accurate photo in, stock color sample ring in the mail, thread charging.....
hi dubs,

has the GB started yet?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bueller on Mon, 27 January 2014, 23:25:29
Quotes in, color accurate photo in, stock color sample ring in the mail, thread charging.....
hi dubs,

has the GB started yet?

Is there a GB thread?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: redskull on Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:30:13
Quotes in, color accurate photo in, stock color sample ring in the mail, thread charging.....
hi dubs,

has the GB started yet?

Is there a GB thread?
haven't looked there yet.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 28 January 2014, 03:29:05
I'll be all over all sorts of sizes if you do this.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: BimboBB on Tue, 28 January 2014, 03:39:29
What is the difference between ALT GR and ALT?

ALT GR is not the same as ALT. Its a complete different key with complete different function as ALT. You use this key for the third layer of a key. On ANSI boards you have to press CTRL+ALT to get the function of ALT GR.

Its a pitty everybody thinks its just another ALT with different labeling.


Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bueller on Tue, 28 January 2014, 04:15:39
What is the difference between ALT GR and ALT?

ALT GR is not the same as ALT. Its a complete different key with complete different function as ALT. You use this key for the third layer of a key. On ANSI boards you have to press CTRL+ALT to get the function of ALT GR.

Its a pitty everybody thinks its just another ALT with different labeling.

The problem I have with everyone complaining about it is that the missing Gr doesn't really affect anyone, you still know it's the right hand alt.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: BimboBB on Tue, 28 January 2014, 04:35:38
If it doesnt affect anyone because most people know where the mods are, whats the problem to make it ALT GR? I mean.....you know its the right hand ALT.  :p

Especially with view to the programmable keyboards it might be even a good idea to have an "extra" layer key (which is different labelled than the normal ALT). From my point of view two keys with same function on one keyboard is a bit of waste.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: bueller on Tue, 28 January 2014, 05:29:22
If it doesnt affect anyone because most people know where the mods are, whats the problem to make it ALT GR? I mean.....you know its the right hand ALT.  :p

Especially with view to the programmable keyboards it might be even a good idea to have an "extra" layer key (which is different labelled than the normal ALT). From my point of view two keys with same function on one keyboard is a bit of waste.

Honestly I don't mind either way, a couple of my sets are alt-gr and a couple are without.
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: cphead on Tue, 28 January 2014, 13:54:29
Super excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:07:34
If it doesnt affect anyone because most people know where the mods are, whats the problem to make it ALT GR? I mean.....you know its the right hand ALT.  :p

Especially with view to the programmable keyboards it might be even a good idea to have an "extra" layer key (which is different labelled than the normal ALT). From my point of view two keys with same function on one keyboard is a bit of waste.

Honestly I don't mind either way, a couple of my sets are alt-gr and a couple are without.

Or just blank?
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:28:30
hi dubs,

has the GB started yet?

Is there a GB thread?

GB thread tonight, gotta figure a few last little details and then orders begin
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: n0rvig on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:06:38
GB thread tonight, gotta figure a few last little details and then orders begin

w00t!
Title: Re: [IC] CMYW White Legends
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:14:40
GB thread tonight, gotta figure a few last little details and then orders begin

w00t!

Group buy is live!!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54039.0