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Offline Phillip_J_Fry

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Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« on: Sat, 26 April 2014, 15:02:44 »
So I've decided to create a separate topic to see as many opinions as possible :)
I have Filco TKL with Brown switches. And want to buy second keyboard for home (or work =) ).

Can you help me decide which one is the best (what pros and cons)
Maybe pros for code is Clears (I haven't tried it before)
and pros for Ducky is Lightning modes (don't think I will use it  ;D) and that mechanicalkeyboards has free delivery

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 09:41:37 »
Have a Ducky Shine II, love the quality.  Lightning effects are not for me, I usually leave them OFF, but do admit that Ducky's are quite nice indeed.

Brown vs Clear take with my roommates phone (my camera is busted!)
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Browns begin their bump close to 1/3 of the way down, vs clears begin the bump immediately. Clears are MUCH more tactile.  But they are so tactile that they stick on the lighter springs (such as 45 used in browns).  I imagine this is why browns exist in the light spring group but not clears.

Stock clears require more force the more you press down.  Spring comparison:
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 09:48:47 »
One big difference is ducky will have cherry stabilizers versus costar in the code.

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 11:35:07 »
Have a Ducky Shine II, love the quality.  Lightning effects are not for me, I usually leave them OFF, but do admit that Ducky's are quite nice indeed.

Brown vs Clear take with my roommates phone (my camera is busted!)
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Browns begin their bump close to 1/3 of the way down, vs clears begin the bump immediately. Clears are MUCH more tactile.  But they are so tactile that they stick on the lighter springs (such as 45 used in browns).  I imagine this is why browns exist in the light spring group but not clears.

Stock clears require more force the more you press down.  Spring comparison:
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Hope this helps.  Sorry if spam.

Thank you! You've made a lot of work! And wich switches do you prefer more? Are they both quite? (I use o-ring in mine)

One big difference is ducky will have cherry stabilizers versus costar in the code.


Can I use o-ring with keyboards that have backlight?

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 13:10:41 »

Thank you! You've made a lot of work! And wich switches do you prefer more? Are they both quite? (I use o-ring in mine)


Browns and clears are both quiet.  I prefer clears.  The only thing I like about browns is that the bump starts a little bit after the key press, vs clears the bump is very high at the top of the key press.  But the bump in the clears is way more pronounced, and with lube + spring swaps I think it's even better.  On some days I love my stock clears, too.  They really help if you have trouble with frequent bottom outs.  Honestly I don't know why these were rare for so long, they're probably tied with blacks as my favorite stock cherry switch.

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 13:52:29 »
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Can I use o-ring with keyboards that have backlight?

yes, you can use o-rings on backlit keyboards~ it won't affect the LEDs in any way
and code boards in clears are pretty hard to come by these days? I've only seen codes with green switches
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 14:02:28 »
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Can I use o-ring with keyboards that have backlight?

yes, you can use o-rings on backlit keyboards~ it won't affect the LEDs in any way
and code boards in clears are pretty hard to come by these days? I've only seen codes with green switches
I'm sure they stick out a little bit and affect the LED...which is why there are clear ones on ebay

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 14:17:05 »
So everyone prefers Code with clears, right? =))

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 14:23:35 »
So everyone prefers Code with clears, right? =))

I greatly prefer my ducky shine 2 with clears to the code with clears, but I also didn't try the code with double shot abs caps like I have on my ducky. I prefer cherry stabilizers to costar also.

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 15:36:05 »
So everyone prefers Code with clears, right? =))

I greatly prefer my ducky shine 2 with clears to the code with clears, but I also didn't try the code with double shot abs caps like I have on my ducky. I prefer cherry stabilizers to costar also.

Shine 3 doesn't have Clear option =(
"double shot abs caps" -- so there is difference between keycaps on Code and Shine?

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 15:39:36 »
I'll suggest clears until the death. Personally, I like a heavier switch, and since I've been using clears, I'll never look back. I hate the feeling of browns, because they just feel scratchy to me. Clears have a nice bump and the added weight makes it a little more difficult to bottom out which is nice and gives you a nice, quiet experience.
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 16:44:13 »
So everyone prefers Code with clears, right? =))

I greatly prefer my ducky shine 2 with clears to the code with clears, but I also didn't try the code with double shot abs caps like I have on my ducky. I prefer cherry stabilizers to costar also.

Shine 3 doesn't have Clear option =(
"double shot abs caps" -- so there is difference between keycaps on Code and Shine?

I'm using aftermarket caps on my ducky, GMK Dolch which are abs doubleshot.

But if you want clears it is pretty much the code or mod another board or buy an older one, not very many options at least not in 'new' boards with clears.

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 16:53:24 »
So everyone prefers Code with clears, right? =))

I greatly prefer my ducky shine 2 with clears to the code with clears, but I also didn't try the code with double shot abs caps like I have on my ducky. I prefer cherry stabilizers to costar also.

Shine 3 doesn't have Clear option =(
"double shot abs caps" -- so there is difference between keycaps on Code and Shine?

I'm using aftermarket caps on my ducky, GMK Dolch which are abs doubleshot.

But if you want clears it is pretty much the code or mod another board or buy an older one, not very many options at least not in 'new' boards with clears.

I don't know if I realy need Clears... I haven't had chance to try them. I have browns and I got used to them. But I thought I love heavy switches (but not clicky) :)

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 17:02:50 »
I think for me the cap quality would be the deal breaker for me. I have a WASD V2 and the ABS caps are pretty crappy to be honest.

I used browns for a long while, and now I'm using clears at work, and if I'm honest, I think I prefer clears for extended typing, but for general use browsing and things, with occasional posts, I probably prefer browns.

I also like the huge amount of backlight customisation options on the Ducky. So I would say Ducky.
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 02:40:21 »
I think for me the cap quality would be the deal breaker for me. I have a WASD V2 and the ABS caps are pretty crappy to be honest.

I used browns for a long while, and now I'm using clears at work, and if I'm honest, I think I prefer clears for extended typing, but for general use browsing and things, with occasional posts, I probably prefer browns.

I also like the huge amount of backlight customisation options on the Ducky. So I would say Ducky.

Does it mean that quality of keycaps is different?

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 03:34:18 »
I think for me the cap quality would be the deal breaker for me. I have a WASD V2 and the ABS caps are pretty crappy to be honest.

I used browns for a long while, and now I'm using clears at work, and if I'm honest, I think I prefer clears for extended typing, but for general use browsing and things, with occasional posts, I probably prefer browns.

I also like the huge amount of backlight customisation options on the Ducky. So I would say Ducky.

Does it mean that quality of keycaps is different?

Have not used a WASD board, but most Ducky's are also ABS.  I did not really have a problem with the ducky's ABS caps, but I replaced them with thick pbt anyways because for me, POM>ThickPBT>ThinPBT>Else for clear switches.

If modding is out of the question, I would go with the Code board in your situation just because of the switches.  That is all personal preference, though, as I cannot stand brown switches.  I cannot speak to the quality of the CODE, but I will say that Ducky quality has not let me down.  I might have already said that earlier.  Oh well, it's late.

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 04:41:53 »
I'll suggest clears until the death. Personally, I like a heavier switch, and since I've been using clears, I'll never look back. I hate the feeling of browns, because they just feel scratchy to me. Clears have a nice bump and the added weight makes it a little more difficult to bottom out which is nice and gives you a nice, quiet experience.

Do you think that the higher actuation force (vs Browns) makes up for less bottoming out on the Clears (vs Browns)? I have Browns and I'm wondering whether I should give Clears a go.. For me it sounds like less bottoming out but higher actuation force (Clears) vs more bottoming out with lower actuation force (Browns). And I have to admit, I can type lightly on my Browns as to prevent bottoming out, but it is difficult to do so.
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 04:52:51 »
I'll suggest clears until the death. Personally, I like a heavier switch, and since I've been using clears, I'll never look back. I hate the feeling of browns, because they just feel scratchy to me. Clears have a nice bump and the added weight makes it a little more difficult to bottom out which is nice and gives you a nice, quiet experience.

Do you think that the higher actuation force (vs Browns) makes up for less bottoming out on the Clears (vs Browns)? I have Browns and I'm wondering whether I should give Clears a go.. For me it sounds like less bottoming out but higher actuation force (Clears) vs more bottoming out with lower actuation force (Browns). And I have to admit, I can type lightly on my Browns as to prevent bottoming out, but it is difficult to do so.

Clears have a different spring profile which increases the force needed more rapidly as you approach the bottom of the stroke. This, combined with the bigger bump, stronger spring overall and the fact that the bump starts at the beginning of the stroke combine to make it a lot easier to not hit the bottom with Clears vs Browns.

I'd love to try a lighter spring in Clears with the same kind of increasing profile, though. I trampoline mod my switches which helps learn to develop a lighter touch when typing and feels a bit like the increasing pressure profile of stock Clears, just more pronounced. It also reduces shock and noise a lot. I can't go back to unmodded switches or orings any more.
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 15:47:29 »
Code - 150 + 31 (delivery, it's essential to get it before friday)
Ducky - 140 + 16 (delivery)

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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 16:04:12 »
Soldering Iron: $55
Solder sucker/pump: $7
QFR: $70 (average.  Seen much cheaper, seen more expensive)
Bag of clear switches: $40

172 + shipping and you get to keep 87 switches and a soldering iron.

And you get a fun learning experience and the option for modded springs/lube.

Edit: did not see your location or "get it by Friday" requirement.  Just a fun suggestion though.  Given your two choices, I'd look into this one :P but that's just me
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Re: Ducky Shine 3 Brown VS Code Clears
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 16:10:25 »
Soldering Iron: $55
Solder sucker/pump: $7
QFR: $70 (average.  Seen much cheaper, seen more expensive)
Bag of clear switches: $40

172 + shipping and you get to keep 87 switches and a soldering iron.

And you get a fun learning experience and the option for modded springs/lube.

Edit: did not see your location or "get it by Friday" requirement.  Just a fun suggestion though.  Given your two choices, I'd look into this one :P but that's just me

  :)) Unfortunately, this option does not suit me  :)) and I should choose between these two... and I have only 1 hour to decide... =/