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Offline wholypantalones

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #400 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 20:06:56 »
Can confirm. Springs are **** and they are loud. Vintage black springs and some thick lube make quite a difference.  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #401 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 20:29:49 »
The metallic sound is pretty annoying alright

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #402 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 22:21:16 »
Got mine today.  I don't really hear anything metallic.  They do, however, sound and feel exactly like the silent reds that I just removed from a filco TKL b/c they were the worst MX switch I had ever used.  So... I'll be selling mine. 

I don't think lube would help. I lubed every goddamn inch of my reds and it did nothing.  The springs are just too tight on the stems and they rub (even with lube) causing some serious scritchy scratch.

It's unfortunate, but "c'est la vie." 
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #403 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 22:44:48 »
the well has been poisoned. now i can't unhear the scratchy sounds. i just bought these for the stems, though. has anyone done a complete transplant into zeal housings with gold springs yet?

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« Reply #404 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 23:01:40 »
the well has been poisoned. now i can't unhear the scratchy sounds. i just bought these for the stems, though. has anyone done a complete transplant into zeal housings with gold springs yet?

I just did after you suggested it.  Pretty nice.  Wobble like a gateron, but much less scratchy.  I'd still rather wait and try some silent Gateron blacks before I shell out the cash to harvest Zeal housings.

Also, I got a much improved switch by just lubing and putting in some Sprit springs.  I used 72g, which are pretty light in reality and very close to reds.  I might try to salvage them by converting the rest to sprit springs.  I'm not sure that I even like the silenced switch.  It takes all of the fun out of it.  Ha!

I should add that these are certainly usable switches.  I used switches exactly like this (silent reds) for over a year at work.  We're are very picky around here is all.
« Last Edit: Thu, 14 December 2017, 00:00:35 by reececonrad »
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #405 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 02:46:35 »
Got mine today.  I don't really hear anything metallic.  They do, however, sound and feel exactly like the silent reds that I just removed from a filco TKL b/c they were the worst MX switch I had ever used.  So... I'll be selling mine. 

I don't think lube would help. I lubed every goddamn inch of my reds and it did nothing.  The springs are just too tight on the stems and they rub (even with lube) causing some serious scritchy scratch.

It's unfortunate, but "c'est la vie."

Not sure how you don't hear the metallic sound, anyway if you change the spring (a shorter one suggested) and lube the switches properly, it will be much better.   
Just the stock is extremely bad.

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« Reply #406 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 02:48:13 »
the well has been poisoned. now i can't unhear the scratchy sounds. i just bought these for the stems, though. has anyone done a complete transplant into zeal housings with gold springs yet?

Many did zilents, i tested one only so no full board of them but is probably the best housing you can use.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #407 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 08:42:48 »
Now that the haze has worn off I can concur; the springs are ****. I don't notice too much difference from attached vs detached, but one with a gat yellow spring in it next to one with the detached stock spring makes the latter feel like a linear rubberdome. Looks like I might be making Black Banana switches after all, should have enough gat yellows left over to fill an entire board.

(what was once yellow, and is now black and mushy? a black banana.)

Mmm, I got some 60-ish Gat Yellows that aren't used yet and I'd like to use those springs instead of MX "camo reds". Is Gat Yellows heavier or not really? BTW, "Black banana" switches is a dope nickname.  :thumb:

P.S. Haven't received MX Silent Blacks so that's why I'm asking as I can't check myself yet.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #408 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 09:16:08 »
the well has been poisoned. now i can't unhear the scratchy sounds. i just bought these for the stems, though. has anyone done a complete transplant into zeal housings with gold springs yet?

I just did after you suggested it.  Pretty nice.  Wobble like a gateron, but much less scratchy.  I'd still rather wait and try some silent Gateron blacks before I shell out the cash to harvest Zeal housings.

Also, I got a much improved switch by just lubing and putting in some Sprit springs.  I used 72g, which are pretty light in reality and very close to reds.  I might try to salvage them by converting the rest to sprit springs.  I'm not sure that I even like the silenced switch.  It takes all of the fun out of it.  Ha!

I should add that these are certainly usable switches.  I used switches exactly like this (silent reds) for over a year at work.  We're are very picky around here is all.

68g & 72g sprits are my ideal springs - I plan on using the 72's in these as well.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #409 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 09:34:22 »
Can someone send these switches to haata for testing?

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« Reply #410 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 10:12:04 »
Can someone send these switches to haata for testing?
 

AFAIK switches sent to haata are tested after a lot of time (understandable). So i guess if we send now, the test will be out after months

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« Reply #411 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 10:46:10 »
Can someone send these switches to haata for testing?
 

AFAIK switches sent to haata are tested after a lot of time (understandable). So i guess if we send now, the test will be out after months

Better than nothing! His tests are really precious.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #412 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 11:32:30 »
Now that the haze has worn off I can concur; the springs are ****. I don't notice too much difference from attached vs detached, but one with a gat yellow spring in it next to one with the detached stock spring makes the latter feel like a linear rubberdome. Looks like I might be making Black Banana switches after all, should have enough gat yellows left over to fill an entire board.

(what was once yellow, and is now black and mushy? a black banana.)

Mmm, I got some 60-ish Gat Yellows that aren't used yet and I'd like to use those springs instead of MX "camo reds". Is Gat Yellows heavier or not really? BTW, "Black banana" switches is a dope nickname.  :thumb:

P.S. Haven't received MX Silent Blacks so that's why I'm asking as I can't check myself yet.

They're a bit heavier, just enough to notice clearly. I'd say about a third to half of the step from (camo) red to a regular black.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #413 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 12:06:11 »
the well has been poisoned. now i can't unhear the scratchy sounds. i just bought these for the stems, though. has anyone done a complete transplant into zeal housings with gold springs yet?

I just did after you suggested it.  Pretty nice.  Wobble like a gateron, but much less scratchy.  I'd still rather wait and try some silent Gateron blacks before I shell out the cash to harvest Zeal housings.

Also, I got a much improved switch by just lubing and putting in some Sprit springs.  I used 72g, which are pretty light in reality and very close to reds.  I might try to salvage them by converting the rest to sprit springs.  I'm not sure that I even like the silenced switch.  It takes all of the fun out of it.  Ha!

I should add that these are certainly usable switches.  I used switches exactly like this (silent reds) for over a year at work.  We're are very picky around here is all.

68g & 72g sprits are my ideal springs - I plan on using the 72's in these as well.

72g springs are going in mine as well.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #414 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 13:35:27 »
I was going to replace the springs before this GB was even a thing. I have 72g right now in my tactile grays and so 68g will be going in these.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #415 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 14:01:39 »
Todays update from the distributor

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Morning George,
 
The product manager has chased Cherry again this morning.
 
He said he will continue to put the pressure on.

Will update again as I have info.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #416 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 23:58:51 »
I find these switches to be INCREDIBLY scratchy. Maybe I'm spoiled. I did open up the switch and apply lube (I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RGZHFA), making sure to detach the spring as someone else suggested, but found little to no improvement. Have you guys had any success making the switch smoother? I don't want to buy a whole 'nother set of springs if the sliders are scratchy beyond repair.

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« Reply #417 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 00:33:22 »
All these reports about scratchiness have me worried since that is definitely not the experience I have with the plate mount silent blacks from the Sennin GB. I guess I'll have to wait until I actually have them in hand to tell the difference but I had planned to put these in a LSv3 and now I'm not so sure.

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« Reply #418 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 02:17:37 »
FWIW I find these about as smooth as the silent reds I got from sennin; in isolation they feel ok, but they are no match for any of my vintage blacks or nixies. I haven't tried lubing or spring swapping them yet, but as is they're not going into a keyboard. Otoh, I wasn't really expecting them to be as good as vintage blacks either and neither was I expecting to use them stock. In fact, most of mine will find use as non-corroded switch bottoms for vintage blacks ;)

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #419 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 02:56:31 »
I think they feel as smooth as the gat yellows I have here, minus the spring of course
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #420 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 06:06:51 »
Package has arrived in my mailbox but I won't be home until Sunday. Really hoping mine aren't that bad as almost everyone here is writing. If they are I'll be really sad... Well, at least I'll HAVE to lube and change springs so I can use them. There's always a first.
« Last Edit: Fri, 15 December 2017, 06:16:21 by funderburker »
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #421 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 09:07:45 »

Yea I got mine in and would not use them stock. Spring ping/crunch is crazy and they're not nearly as smooth as I expected.

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« Reply #422 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 14:10:55 »
Mmm, so PCB Mount MX Silent Blacks are crap but Plate Mount ones (at least those from Sennin GB) are the smooth ones, right?

I must say though that George is a great GB organizer and the bad taste from this GB is ALL FROM CHERRY. They suck ass and I'll definitely not get any more switches from them.
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« Reply #423 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 14:55:52 »
Mmm, so PCB Mount MX Silent Blacks are crap but Plate Mount ones (at least those from Sennin GB) are the smooth ones, right?

I must say though that George is a great GB organizer and the bad taste from this GB is ALL FROM CHERRY. They suck ass and I'll definitely not get any more switches from them.

No, the STOCK switch isn't that good on both, but our is ****tier cuz of this this spring (talking about non-rgb vs non-rgb), but apart the spring they are the same. 

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #424 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 15:58:58 »
Just got my switches in too! I can agree that the switches I received are as light as reds. I also have crunchy springs like an old, cheap, well worn spring mattress kind of sound. As far as smoothness goes, I feel like they're the same as sennins. Idc much for the springs since I was planning on spring swapping since the beginning. Plus pcb mount is nice compared to plate.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #425 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 19:46:45 »
I find these switches to be INCREDIBLY scratchy. Maybe I'm spoiled. I did open up the switch and apply lube (I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RGZHFA), making sure to detach the spring as someone else suggested, but found little to no improvement. Have you guys had any success making the switch smoother? I don't want to buy a whole 'nother set of springs if the sliders are scratchy beyond repair.

Yes, I used thick lube from teckkeys and they're fine. That silicone **** is, well.. ****.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #426 on: Tue, 26 December 2017, 08:59:25 »
Any updates?

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #427 on: Tue, 26 December 2017, 15:05:28 »
Any updates?

None yet.

I have sent follow up emails but I think they are away over Christmas. I am hoping they'll be back to work tomorrow.

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I have just sent another update request and received an automatic reply stating that they will be back in office January 2nd.
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« Reply #428 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 12:45:39 »
I have had two replies from the distributor today.

The first assured me that she had pushed the Product Manager to put more pressure on Cherry.

The second has asked if I am able to return some of the switches. In order for them to start the formal returns process with Cherry.

I have agreed to return what switches I have left which is about 5000 switches. I am hoping that by sending these back Cherry will be forced to test them and see that the weight is not correct.

IF you guys have any advice let me know!

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #429 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 12:51:08 »
If that 5000 isn't enough for some reason, I have 480 untouched that I'd be happy to return for testing.

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« Reply #430 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 12:59:36 »
If that 5000 isn't enough for some reason, I have 480 untouched that I'd be happy to return for testing.

I'll update when I have a reply in the morning, but I reckon the 5% I have left should be enough for them to return to Cherry and then for Cherry to test and confirm the incorrect spring weighting.  That *should* allow partial refund(compensation) to trickle down the supplier chain. That's what I'm pushing for at least.


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« Reply #431 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 13:02:53 »
If that 5000 isn't enough for some reason, I have 480 untouched that I'd be happy to return for testing.

I'll update when I have a reply in the morning, but I reckon the 5% I have left should be enough for them to return to Cherry and then for Cherry to test and confirm the incorrect spring weighting.  That *should* allow partial refund(compensation) to trickle down the supplier chain. That's what I'm pushing for at least.

Hopefully they do that at least.

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« Reply #432 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 13:33:12 »

I am hoping that by sending these back Cherry will be forced to test them and see that the weight is not correct.


Hopefully yeah, that's probably the hard part of this whole thing, curious what Cherry will do since we clearly can't send switches back to them.   

IF you guys have any advice let me know!

My advice is to keep a part of your batch, let's say 1000, you never know... 
 
Also you should send a photo of our faces when we found out we got reds, basically this: 




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #433 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 14:09:16 »
I have had two replies from the distributor today.

The first assured me that she had pushed the Product Manager to put more pressure on Cherry.

The second has asked if I am able to return some of the switches. In order for them to start the formal returns process with Cherry.

I have agreed to return what switches I have left which is about 5000 switches. I am hoping that by sending these back Cherry will be forced to test them and see that the weight is not correct.

IF you guys have any advice let me know!
What would happen for switches that I have on hold from an order through Novelkeys, the US proxy?

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #434 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 14:31:23 »
I have had two replies from the distributor today.

The first assured me that she had pushed the Product Manager to put more pressure on Cherry.

The second has asked if I am able to return some of the switches. In order for them to start the formal returns process with Cherry.

I have agreed to return what switches I have left which is about 5000 switches. I am hoping that by sending these back Cherry will be forced to test them and see that the weight is not correct.

IF you guys have any advice let me know!
What would happen for switches that I have on hold from an order through Novelkeys, the US proxy?

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That would need to be answered by Mike. I'll drop him a message so he can see the thread and give an answer.

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« Reply #435 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 14:45:23 »

What would happen for switches that I have on hold from an order through Novelkeys, the US proxy?

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I really can’t do anything at this time as there hasn’t been an actual proposed solution from Cherry or the distributor.

Once we have a solution offered from Cherry or the distributor we can go from there.

I won’t be able to return my switches, as the shipping cost would be way too high for me to do that.
« Last Edit: Tue, 02 January 2018, 14:47:58 by mgsickler »

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #436 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 15:09:39 »
Thanks for the updates VicareyG and mgsickler, really hoping we all get some positive resolution for this.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #437 on: Tue, 02 January 2018, 18:02:07 »
Thank you for the updates. Given the holiday season, I forgot about the issue but it's nice to see it's still actively investigated. I've already ordered springs for the switches I have but any kind of compensation is always welcome. Hopefully testing happens and they'll do the right thing and offer to resolve this matter in a way that all group buyers benefit.

P.S. Happy New Year everyone and good luck with keyboard-related and life-related happenings!

P.P.S. Anyone got a build to show using these (either stock or modded) switches? Always enjoy a good buildlog or just nice keyboard photos.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #438 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 05:10:11 »
P.P.S. Anyone got a build to show using these (either stock or modded) switches? Always enjoy a good buildlog or just nice keyboard photos.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #439 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 13:00:32 »
Had a response today, the supplier will arrange collection from myself and delivery to Cherry for the switches that I have left. This will allow Cherry to fully test the switches and hopefully prove what we are all saying.

I'll update again as/when collection is booked.

Thanks for staying patient!

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #440 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 13:41:57 »
Thanks for staying patient!
Thanks to you for everything you're doing.