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Title: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - On Indefinite Hold
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 13 February 2021, 15:10:30
(https://i.imgur.com/9lIpRDu.png)

I wanted a BoW Cherry-like PBT keyset that had Cyrillic only alphas and Russian modifiers. Not much more to it than that. Also please note, while the kitting and design for this set is mostly complete, I will not focus on this set until I am comfortable with where ePBT 6085 is at.

IC FORM (https://forms.gle/SYV64dfSQbbci6LT7)
FEEDBACK FORM FOR NATIVE RUSSIAN SPEAKERS (https://forms.gle/EfnEdtPWRoYMUTEU9)

(https://i.imgur.com/2HUOfBz.png)


Kits:
The kitting for this set is a little different. I wanted to give people the option to pick and choose what alpha/modifier combinations they want while also keeping the kitting intuitive:

Cyrillic Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/2zEdtQD.jpg)
Latin + Cyrillic Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/IJMQRQV.jpg)
RU Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/ykV0tzB.jpg)
Icon Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/KPf6fu9.jpg)
40s Modifiers
(https://i.imgur.com/PRuphxR.jpg)
Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/fgTM8wx.jpg)
Macro
(https://i.imgur.com/2haonTS.jpg)
RU Macro
(https://i.imgur.com/D3bDBS4.jpg)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/s6aSR3G.jpg)
Accent Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/wMBGl6v.jpg)


Renders:

(https://i.imgur.com/0vvFlQQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tmJ6LnY.png)
THRILL by Hoodrow Thrillson
(https://i.imgur.com/aMg7UHW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0J7f1gk.png)
Polo by Marco
(https://i.imgur.com/2HUOfBz.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7EAIa1i.png)
i69 by Illuminati Keyboards / Ion Keyboards


Colors:

This set will be using ePBT's bright white color. Please refer to ai03's ModernJA (https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-epbt-modernja) to get an idea of what it will look like. Legends and accents will use the same black color as ePBT 6085.


Collaborations:
Maybe. It's black and white, not a lot that hasn't already been done. I am open to artisan collabs if they want to do something unique for this set.


General info

UPDATES AVAILABLE IN THE SECOND POST

Vendors:
Worldwide: KBDfans
US:
CA: Keyspresso
MX: Rheset
UK: ProtoTypist
EU: MyKeyboard
OCE: Daily Clack
SEA: iLumkb
KR: Swagkeys

Pricing: TBD

GB Date: TBD - Q3 2022

Oh, I also have a discord: https://discord.gg/9Bx8US7TBR

Honorable Mentions / Credits:
  • T0mb3ry for giving me the go-ahead to use SA Yuri as a reference for the majority of the Russian modifiers.
  • Konstantin for his invaluable feedback and suggestions early on in the design.
  • This (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=17319) Deskthority thread that I used as a reference for some of the modifier keys.
  • Marco - thank you again for the renders. Amazing work as usual. Marco's socials: Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/marfriedrichs/) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/marfriedrichs)

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Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 13 February 2021, 15:11:16
Reserved
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Sat, 13 February 2021, 15:12:04
Clean, GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: noodleman on Sat, 13 February 2021, 15:45:52
very naissss
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 13 February 2021, 15:46:17
sure, why not.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Qarmaa on Sat, 13 February 2021, 16:20:54
ne proper cyrillic legends avail
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 13 February 2021, 16:22:46
ne proper cyrillic legends avail

May I ask what's wrong with the legends? I'm not using OG cherry legends by choice. They are wrong.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:04:27
We ain't posing for no pictures in 2018  :confused:
its ok

i69 render always appreciated
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Qarmaa on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:26:54
ne proper cyrillic legends avail

May I ask what's wrong with the legends? I'm not using OG cherry legends by choice. They are wrong.
I was refering to legends outlined by T0mb3ry, those are correct ones (see GMK Perestroika/GMK Yuri). The thing is your subs using different font than latin legends. That threw me off. In terms of russian mods: they was made for typewriter and make no sense on the modern keyboards at all. It's bad idea to make it from a beginning. They fit SA (cause they are all caps and cause of profile/throwback to era of typewriters stuff) but doesn't fit cherry-ish profile at all.

I mean, I get that most of the people would buy this just for looks, they don't care about how accurate legends/font/etc but I just can't bear with it.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: yenel on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:28:50
Please consider adding an additional tab in one of the child kits! An additional tab would allow people to reuse the leftover mods + another alpha kit to fill out another (small, 60-65%) board.
I would suggest adding it to the accent kit, since you also need another Enter key to do that.
Also, light suggestion to consider using OG Icon style mods.

Other than that, beautiful, GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Prestley on Sat, 13 February 2021, 19:16:15
I'm really digging this set.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Chippy on Sat, 13 February 2021, 22:51:21
refreshing to see nice Cyrillic legends
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 13 February 2021, 23:34:37
ne proper cyrillic legends avail

May I ask what's wrong with the legends? I'm not using OG cherry legends by choice. They are wrong.
I was refering to legends outlined by T0mb3ry, those are correct ones (see GMK Perestroika/GMK Yuri). The thing is your subs using different font than latin legends. That threw me off. In terms of russian mods: they was made for typewriter and make no sense on the modern keyboards at all. It's bad idea to make it from a beginning. They fit SA (cause they are all caps and cause of profile/throwback to era of typewriters stuff) but doesn't fit cherry-ish profile at all.

I mean, I get that most of the people would buy this just for looks, they don't care about how accurate legends/font/etc but I just can't bear with it.

So to be clear, the main issue with the legends is the typeface used for some of the Cyrillic characters? I'm guessing the К and Я keys are the main ones that stick out since they don't match the K and R keys? I can go through the legends and attempt to fix them if it's really that off-putting. I can understand why some may not want the Russian modifiers, but it's something I personally wanted. This is why I am offering icon mods as well.

Please consider adding an additional tab in one of the child kits! An additional tab would allow people to reuse the leftover mods + another alpha kit to fill out another (small, 60-65%) board.
I would suggest adding it to the accent kit, since you also need another Enter key to do that.
Also, light suggestion to consider using OG Icon style mods.

Other than that, beautiful, GLWIC

I'll think this over,  but it it'll likely be a no. I don't really want to add duplicate keys if they will only be utilized in some specific use case. I already structured the alphas in such a way so they could be used in combination with modifiers from a completely different set for a 60% or 65% if someone really wanted to. OG icon mods are a no, sorry. I get that some people prefer them, but I'm content with these.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Dunne on Sun, 14 February 2021, 05:49:07
Are you confident EPBT won't have warping issues with this set, since they have with recently sets? (one of my EPBT sets has a spacebar that is basically a banana)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 14 February 2021, 07:38:02
Are you confident EPBT won't have warping issues with this set, since they have with recently sets? (one of my EPBT sets has a spacebar that is basically a banana)

From what I've personally seen, yes: https://imgur.com/a/OMSO0Eh

Of of curiosity, what recent sets have you had/seen warping with?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: yenel on Sun, 14 February 2021, 15:12:36
I'll think this over,  but it it'll likely be a no. I don't really want to add duplicate keys if they will only be utilized in some specific use case.

I know what you mean by it being a specific use case. I don't have any hard statistics to back it up and I'm sorry if this is a slippery slope or some other fallacy, but I think that an additional Tab is no more specific than something like F13, small(er) spacebars in base, 660 2.25u shift, or the Macro column kits.

I already structured the alphas in such a way so they could be used in combination with modifiers from a completely different set for a 60% or 65% if someone really wanted to.
In terms of compatibility, there aren't that many other ePBT keysets that use that color (color-matched WS2 I'm assuming) - modernja, gok bow, & upcoming bow hangul afaik. And even if you used them together with those (or any other) sets, it still wouldn't solve the problem that an additional tab would: making use of all the leftover mods left in the modifier kit(s). You'd just be left with more mods.

This concept is common with GMK sets that offer alternate alpha kits and extended compatibility - I'm not sure how it is with ePBT, but I feel like it if it can be done with GMK, then it can be done (maybe even better) with ePBT.

I get that it's kind of complicated since you're offering two styles of mods; there're probably a lot of variables to think about. Maybe I'm overstretching my assumptions.
Whatever happens I'm in. I just hope my ted talk gives some more insight and hopefully influences your decision.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: yoniwolf1202 on Mon, 15 February 2021, 16:18:28
Looks great, can't wait to watch it come into reality. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: _senya on Mon, 15 February 2021, 20:05:46
Not only the font, but also some of the labels used for modifiers are not correct in terms of what they say if you try to mimic old Cyrillic keyboards. For example, Нчл and Кнц (Home and End) on the old keyboards I saw were saying НАЧ and КОН (short from Начало and Конец), Алт should have been АЛФ, etc. But nonetheless - I would prefer you left it as is, I really love how these things look like - all these "Забой", "Ввод", "Регистр", "Заглавные" - are just beautiful (in the exact font you have it in, with infographic where applicable), even though not technically authentic. If on top of that you price it well, I would be definitely buying it.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 15 February 2021, 20:45:49
I'll think this over,  but it it'll likely be a no. I don't really want to add duplicate keys if they will only be utilized in some specific use case.

I know what you mean by it being a specific use case. I don't have any hard statistics to back it up and I'm sorry if this is a slippery slope or some other fallacy, but I think that an additional Tab is no more specific than something like F13, small(er) spacebars in base, 660 2.25u shift, or the Macro column kits.

I already structured the alphas in such a way so they could be used in combination with modifiers from a completely different set for a 60% or 65% if someone really wanted to.
In terms of compatibility, there aren't that many other ePBT keysets that use that color (color-matched WS2 I'm assuming) - modernja, gok bow, & upcoming bow hangul afaik. And even if you used them together with those (or any other) sets, it still wouldn't solve the problem that an additional tab would: making use of all the leftover mods left in the modifier kit(s). You'd just be left with more mods.

This concept is common with GMK sets that offer alternate alpha kits and extended compatibility - I'm not sure how it is with ePBT, but I feel like it if it can be done with GMK, then it can be done (maybe even better) with ePBT.

I get that it's kind of complicated since you're offering two styles of mods; there're probably a lot of variables to think about. Maybe I'm overstretching my assumptions.
Whatever happens I'm in. I just hope my ted talk gives some more insight and hopefully influences your decision.

I understand that adding the extra tab would allow some specific 65% or smaller layouts to be used in conjunction with something like a TKL. If I did add it, it would likely be to the accent kit. I'll continue to think this over.


Not only the font, but also some of the labels used for modifiers are not correct in terms of what they say if you try to mimic old Cyrillic keyboards. For example, Нчл and Кнц (Home and End) on the old keyboards I saw were saying НАЧ and КОН (short from Начало and Конец), Алт should have been АЛФ, etc. But nonetheless - I would prefer you left it as is, I really love how these things look like - all these "Забой", "Ввод", "Регистр", "Заглавные" - are just beautiful (in the exact font you have it in, with infographic where applicable), even though not technically authentic. If on top of that you price it well, I would be definitely buying it.

I used T0mb3ry's SA Yuri Cyrillic kit as a reference for most of my mods. As you pointed out, some of the legends don't match that of Soviet era boards. I trust T0mb3ry on his work, since he is Russian, however, I have other native Russian speakers that have different options on some of the legends. For instance, it was brought up that Забой literally translates to "slaughter" and they don't really like it's usage there, however, another native Russian speaker stated here (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=385176&sid=5301df9dc144f8381bb6bd2e9ab0624b#p385176) that they prefer it to ВШ which was more common on older boards. I'm not necessarily looking to mimic old soviet era boards, I'd actually prefer to produce something more useful to a modern native Russian speaker if that's even possible. I've also had it mentioned to me that since some of the keys are abbreviated, they should be capitalized, and made the point that I should perhaps even make them all abbreviated. On top of that they had some critiques for the Cyrillic alphas characters that I'm currently attempting to fix.

So there's quite a bit I need to address, I'd like to get more feedback on the modifiers, though.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: _senya on Mon, 15 February 2021, 22:17:26
I wouldn't worry about "Забой" - this word has multiple meanings, and slaughter (of animals is not the first that comes to mind). ВШ definitely sounds worse than "Забой". Please don't change it. :) And even though some labels are abbreviations, the non-capitalized style makes it looks prettier, so this set is quite unique in that sense. I am a native Russian speaker and I love it with these styles. I am afraid that if you address all those "concerns" the set will lose its charm. I can assess that the way it is now (with respects to fonts and wordings) it is very useful.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 18 February 2021, 05:24:00
Why Cyrillic not red?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 18 February 2021, 06:46:31
The 40s/ortho kit needs arrows, not everyone wants accent nav.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 20 February 2021, 15:15:18
Why Cyrillic not red?

I wanted a simple black on white set.

The 40s/ortho kit needs arrows, not everyone wants accent nav.

40s users would still need a modifier kit.

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On another note, I've revised the Cyrillic alphas to fix some of the issues Qarmaa had with the original typeface. I will be updating the main template soon with these changes. Also, I posted this google form (https://forms.gle/EfnEdtPWRoYMUTEU9) to the MechCult community to get feedback from native Russian speakers. I'm sharing it here too just in case. Please consider filling out this form if you speak Russian as a first language - it is very important to me that the Russian modifier keys are practical, rather than just pretty modifiers in a different language.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 28 April 2021, 09:34:53
your epbt 6085 set looks great, and now i'm looking forward to this set coming back to life!

as an occasional numpad user i appreciate that you included "=" key. i'm also digging the macro keys and i'm hopeful you might add R4 M3/Φ3 - would be great to use in top row above nav cluster. (as is, i appreciate the option for single and double column macro keys.)


edit: nm, i will use Φ-row from modifiers, i missed that. nice kitting  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: see on Thu, 29 April 2021, 13:32:40
so lit

take my ****ing money
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Iksion on Thu, 29 April 2021, 14:52:22
Interested :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: HappyB0T on Fri, 30 April 2021, 08:41:59
I find my expect the additional kits. I’ll be good for a couple of the different smaller kits.  GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 30 April 2021, 09:08:59
it's a little thing: macro kits have duplicate R4 keys for M1/Φ1.

i suppose this could potentially be a positive to provide coverage for 2 boards, however i haven't seen this in the few other sets that offered dual column macro kits.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Engedi_ on Sat, 01 May 2021, 15:31:43
Loooove this classic design
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: hiddensong on Tue, 18 May 2021, 16:49:28
yeaz pleez
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 22 May 2021, 14:28:06
How do people feel about making the sublegends grey instead of black in the Latin + Cyrillic alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: xanserkx on Sat, 22 May 2021, 14:45:39
I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 22 May 2021, 15:18:42
How do people feel about making the sublegends grey instead of black in the Latin + Cyrillic alphas?

Mr Nu types, there are many kinds of gray. It would be helpful if you provided a color to show the little Treeleaf what you are thinking of.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 24 May 2021, 13:23:22
How do people feel about making the sublegends grey instead of black in the Latin + Cyrillic alphas?

Mr Nu types, there are many kinds of gray. It would be helpful if you provided a color to show the little Treeleaf what you are thinking of.

I made a google form and provided sample images for reference: https://forms.gle/xjPVWXskUiiasGSQ9

Please take a moment to fill it out if you have a preference!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 25 May 2021, 23:53:27
I wasn't happy with the the grey sublegends, I made them lighter. I updated the google form to reflect this.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: saam on Wed, 26 May 2021, 00:41:15
Classic combination. Would buy!
Awesome and simple product. :)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Zetina on Wed, 26 May 2021, 09:09:24
Cyrillic is lit on most sets and this isnīt the exception
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: gordonderp on Thu, 23 September 2021, 06:48:14
Is this set still gonna be run?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 24 September 2021, 09:34:55
Is this set still gonna be run?

Yes, but I have a few adjustments to make first.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: ardor on Mon, 15 November 2021, 10:36:01
Very nice set. Really looking forward to getting this one. Sent you some thoughts through the feedback form.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: FootFingers on Mon, 15 November 2021, 16:10:22
Very interested - big fan of the Cyrillic alpha's. Nice work
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: Cebrilung on Sun, 28 November 2021, 11:29:35
I'm so freaking hyped about this, the GB can't come soon enough! I love the kitting, selling the black accent kits separate allows me to buy a few extras to use with my other ePBT WoB keysets. Great job, major kudos!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - New Renders, Final Kitting
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 05 December 2021, 08:11:47
Updates:
- New renders
- Final kitting
- The majority of people who responded to my sublegend color survey chose gray. I personally think it looks better than all black, it helps the alphas look less cluttered/busy.
- Cyrillic legends have been updated to the ones used for 6085, I've also tweaked the RU modifiers a bit.
- I've requested samples from KBDfans, as I'd like to get them prior to GB if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 05 December 2021, 08:24:03
I'm so freaking hyped about this, the GB can't come soon enough! I love the kitting, selling the black accent kits separate allows me to buy a few extras to use with my other ePBT WoB keysets. Great job, major kudos!

Sorry, I moved the accents into the modifiers kits when I added the extra tabs. It made more sense to give people the flexibility to use one modifier kit to cover two boards if they get two alpha kits.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - New Renders, Final Kitting
Post by: jivex5k on Wed, 15 December 2021, 15:45:45
Мне это интересно.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - New Renders, Final Kitting
Post by: blur410 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 11:48:13
Keeping my eye on this one. Hoping it matches the xerox crp colorway somewhat close, as I'd like to blend the two sets. I have a thing for monolegends aside from latin. :P
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - New Renders, Final Kitting
Post by: nu_types on Thu, 23 December 2021, 19:10:47
Updates:

- After further feedback, I've updated the RU mod backspace to Возврат from Забой.
- This set is likely not going to go into GB until Q3, as I'd like to have samples made prior to GB. I'm doing this because ePBT sample times have increased drastically (likely due to the increase in number of ePBT GBs over the past year). I think this is the best way to move forward, as it will reduce the turn around time after the GB with the added bonus of having something real to show before taking peoples money. I'm going to do this for all my future projects when possible.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: blaqbern on Thu, 23 December 2021, 21:54:08
Updates:

- After further feedback, I've updated the RU mod backspace to Возврат from Забой.
- This set is likely not going to go into GB until Q3, as I'd like to have samples made prior to GB. I'm doing this because ePBT sample times have increased drastically (likely due to the increase in number of ePBT GBs over the past year). I think this is the best way to move forward, as it will reduce the turn around time after the GB with the added bonus of having something real to show before taking peoples money. I'm going to do this for all my future projects when possible.
This approach makes a lot of sense. I hope others will follow your lead on this. Kudos!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Neely_12 on Fri, 14 January 2022, 12:49:49
I personally don't see why the extra tab is in the mods, because you could buy an alphas kit to put on another epbt set with the same white color and use the extra tab, but if you just buy one mod kit and one alphas kit, there is no use for the extra tab. The way I see it is that more people are going to buy a separate alphas kit to go with their mods from another set than somebody buying a mods kit for a random set of extra alphas that most people wouldn't have in the first place. If this could change, would deffo be in for a Cyrillic alphas kit.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: steveshing on Sat, 15 January 2022, 12:28:57
 i want WOB ;D please make it after this  :D
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Mikhail on Sat, 15 January 2022, 16:40:16
Would be good to see latin subletters with Cyrillic main!
Why nobody make Capslocks (1.5, 1.25) for left Control position? Not onle HHKB users uses that =)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Evasive on Sun, 16 January 2022, 10:28:16
Would be good to see latin subletters with Cyrillic main!
Why nobody make Capslocks (1.5, 1.25) for left Control position? Not onle HHKB users uses that =)

I think Cyrillic alphas with no sublegends would look cleaner.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Mikhail on Sun, 16 January 2022, 10:53:56
Would be good to see latin subletters with Cyrillic main!
Why nobody make Capslocks (1.5, 1.25) for left Control position? Not onle HHKB users uses that =)

I think Cyrillic alphas with no sublegends would look cleaner.

Then why needs Latin with Cyrillic subs?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Evasive on Sun, 16 January 2022, 11:35:47
Then why needs Latin with Cyrillic subs?

For the degens who can't touch type
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Mikhail on Sun, 16 January 2022, 12:09:23
Then why needs Latin with Cyrillic subs?

For the degens who can't touch type

So, needs cyrillic only + cyrillic with latin subs.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: nu_types on Thu, 20 January 2022, 10:37:43
I personally don't see why the extra tab is in the mods, because you could buy an alphas kit to put on another epbt set with the same white color and use the extra tab, but if you just buy one mod kit and one alphas kit, there is no use for the extra tab. The way I see it is that more people are going to buy a separate alphas kit to go with their mods from another set than somebody buying a mods kit for a random set of extra alphas that most people wouldn't have in the first place. If this could change, would deffo be in for a Cyrillic alphas kit.

The extra tab is included in the mods because if you buy more than one alpha kit you can use one mod kit for two boards (i.e. a tkl and a 60%). The alphas as they currently are will work just fine if you want to mix them with mods from a different set.

Would be good to see latin subletters with Cyrillic main!
Why nobody make Capslocks (1.5, 1.25) for left Control position? Not onle HHKB users uses that =)

Yeah sorry I don't think I'm going to change the Latin + Cyrillic kit at this point. I think its more familiar for people who want sublegends - I also toyed with the idea of Cyrillic primary legends with Latin sublegends and it just didn't aesthetically work for me. As for the bottom row caps locks - I think they're cool and to me make a lot of sense, but it's not very common. I'll consider adding those keys in, but we'll see after I get pricing for the current kitting before I make any further additions.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Neely_12 on Thu, 20 January 2022, 11:30:06
I personally don't see why the extra tab is in the mods, because you could buy an alphas kit to put on another epbt set with the same white color and use the extra tab, but if you just buy one mod kit and one alphas kit, there is no use for the extra tab. The way I see it is that more people are going to buy a separate alphas kit to go with their mods from another set than somebody buying a mods kit for a random set of extra alphas that most people wouldn't have in the first place. If this could change, would deffo be in for a Cyrillic alphas kit.

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The extra tab is included in the mods because if you buy more than one alpha kit you can use one mod kit for two boards (i.e. a tkl and a 60%). The alphas as they currently are will work just fine if you want to mix them with mods from a different set.

This is correct, but adding the extra tab into the alphas works just as well for buying multiple alphas kits. If you had the tab in the alphas, you could buy one mod kit and three alphas kits and have two of the alphas kits working with the mod kit from this set as well as the third alpha kit being able to fit a 60% with extra mods from another keyset.

With the tab being in the mods kit, I can't use the alphas kit with extra mods from another set, which I would be able to do if it was in the alphas.

If other sets started to do this type of kitting with the extra tab being in the mods, then yes it would be just fine, but all of the sets that use this same color white in this set, have not done that.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: nu_types on Thu, 20 January 2022, 11:44:13
I personally don't see why the extra tab is in the mods, because you could buy an alphas kit to put on another epbt set with the same white color and use the extra tab, but if you just buy one mod kit and one alphas kit, there is no use for the extra tab. The way I see it is that more people are going to buy a separate alphas kit to go with their mods from another set than somebody buying a mods kit for a random set of extra alphas that most people wouldn't have in the first place. If this could change, would deffo be in for a Cyrillic alphas kit.

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The extra tab is included in the mods because if you buy more than one alpha kit you can use one mod kit for two boards (i.e. a tkl and a 60%). The alphas as they currently are will work just fine if you want to mix them with mods from a different set.

This is correct, but adding the extra tab into the alphas works just as well for buying multiple alphas kits. If you had the tab in the alphas, you could buy one mod kit and three alphas kits and have two of the alphas kits working with the mod kit from this set as well as the third alpha kit being able to fit a 60% with extra mods from another keyset.

With the tab being in the mods kit, I can't use the alphas kit with extra mods from another set, which I would be able to do if it was in the alphas.

If other sets started to do this type of kitting with the extra tab being in the mods, then yes it would be just fine, but all of the sets that use this same color white in this set, have not done that.

If I added the tabs to the alphas I would have to add two tabs to the alphas (vs one additional key in the modifier kits). I dont think it makes sense to do this on the off chance that someone wants to use the alphas with mods from another set but they're missing the tab key for some reason.

I'm optimizing kitting for my set, the ability to use the alphas with mods from another set is just an added bonus.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: Neely_12 on Thu, 20 January 2022, 11:50:53
I personally don't see why the extra tab is in the mods, because you could buy an alphas kit to put on another epbt set with the same white color and use the extra tab, but if you just buy one mod kit and one alphas kit, there is no use for the extra tab. The way I see it is that more people are going to buy a separate alphas kit to go with their mods from another set than somebody buying a mods kit for a random set of extra alphas that most people wouldn't have in the first place. If this could change, would deffo be in for a Cyrillic alphas kit.

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The extra tab is included in the mods because if you buy more than one alpha kit you can use one mod kit for two boards (i.e. a tkl and a 60%). The alphas as they currently are will work just fine if you want to mix them with mods from a different set.

This is correct, but adding the extra tab into the alphas works just as well for buying multiple alphas kits. If you had the tab in the alphas, you could buy one mod kit and three alphas kits and have two of the alphas kits working with the mod kit from this set as well as the third alpha kit being able to fit a 60% with extra mods from another keyset.

With the tab being in the mods kit, I can't use the alphas kit with extra mods from another set, which I would be able to do if it was in the alphas.

If other sets started to do this type of kitting with the extra tab being in the mods, then yes it would be just fine, but all of the sets that use this same color white in this set, have not done that.

If I added the tabs to the alphas (vs one key in the modifier kits) I would have to add two tabs to the alphas because there are two modifier options. I dont think it makes sense to do this on the off chance that someone wants to use the alphas with mods from another set but they're missing the tab key for some reason.

I'm optimizing kitting for my set, the ability to use the alphas with mods from another set is just an added bonus.

Makes sense. Prob will still pick up the alphas kit anyways. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: whee74 on Fri, 21 January 2022, 14:14:11
very clean and nice. GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - Awaiting Samples Pre-GB
Post by: blur410 on Sat, 19 February 2022, 07:36:32
Kinda hoping this set has its GB delayed, I'll likely be moving around the end of the year but still want a set.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT BoW Cyrillic - On Indefinite Hold
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 29 March 2022, 20:46:00
After some thought, I've decided to put this set on indefinite hold. For full transparency, the reason I'm doing this is because a few weeks prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Funkeys, a Ukrainian vendor agreed to be a proxy for the set. Out of respect for them and the current global situation, I'm holding off on doing anything for this set, and I may rethink it entirely. I spoke with them not long ago just to see if they were ok, but that was it. I feel like the last thing I should be doing is bothering them about running a keyset.

I realize this may disappoint some people, and considering the amount of time I've invested in the legends and kitting, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't, too. But it just doesn't feel right to continue working on this set right now.

Right now I'm just hoping and praying that this war comes to an end, and that everyone at Funkeys and their loved ones remains safe.