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Title: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:36:12
I will try to keep this as simple as possible.
This is an interest check for Alps DCS profile double shot keycaps to go hand in hand with my ALPS PCB/plate project (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44851.msg932446#msg932446).

Color inspiration
(http://i.imgur.com/1lEZyVL.jpg)

Actual SP color: BFP/GC combo
(http://i.imgur.com/a4jJ559.jpg)


Divided into the following three sets.

(http://i.imgur.com/t7uEJH7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/L8ovbwk.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/L6c9AUW.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/b4Xpkgf.jpg)


Combo stems:
Side stems will be cherry mount only.
(http://i.imgur.com/24ylJkD.jpg)



07-25 update
Looking into stem locations and stab wire options. Any help/pics of your alps board would be appreciated.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:44:23
I would take it in the time you say ALPS.

Considering that this is one of the few (the only) ALPS project, maybe the color combo is a bit weird (ie: dolch replica alps would probably have more success) BUT I like it!

PS: I'm updating right now the keyboard color chooser with calibrated colors! Check it in an hour or so!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:48:27
Here are some other colors combos I did:

(http://i.imgur.com/G59YGyB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fxq8bEC.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:57:55
That second one is sexy.  I might be in for a set depending on pricing and how much money I have at the time.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:14:54
Mmmm tasty alps key caps.  I like all the color combos. Dolch replica would be even better then the space cadet color scheme.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:18:11
I like #2 can we call it batman!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:18:30
I'd buy a set or three probably! And I like the Space Cadet themed one
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:43:49
Did SP fix whatever issue they had with the stabilized keys? Melissa never got back to me about that.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: pasph on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:49:38
in that set there will be also a 1,75 shift?
Will all the stabs be Costar?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:53:27
11 keys Tsangan has 1.75u shift.

My vote for stabs goes to cherry mounts (you can use costar or cherry stabs) very easy to find, but standard alps stabs would be fine too.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: pasph on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:57:41
Then why 89 Keys and not 87?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 07:06:12
Quote from: pasph on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:57:41
Then why 89 Keys and not 87?

two versions of `~ and \| probably (just my guess)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 17 July 2013, 07:18:23
calavera if this GB is related to the mini you should mention that 1.75 shift is included in the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 07:50:49
Consider me in, I have hundreds of vintage Alps switches just waiting for a custom build.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 17 July 2013, 07:57:17
i like this set
More
(http://i.imgur.com/Fxq8bEC.jpg)
i might be in for this since i am going to get ducky alps board soon.
do you have any price range in mind ?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:00:29
Interested!

And another vote for the gray color option, perhaps a smidge darker, not so washed-out?

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:14:28
I actually like the colour combo in your "inspiration" photo, would love to see a mockup with grey alphas and the blue mods.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: boost on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:17:39
I'm down. IIRC SP doesn't have all the molds for a complete TKL..
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:23:23
Quote from: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:14:28
I actually like the colour combo in your "inspiration" photo, would love to see a mockup with grey alphas and the blue mods.

Yes, indeed.  Nice saturated colors.  I'd definitely be in for that color scheme.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:25:58
Quote from: boost on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:17:39
I'm down. IIRC SP doesn't have all the molds for a complete TKL..

they miss tooling for the stems of all keys over 1.75u (just the stems not the whole key)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:45:51
Updated post with mock up pics to show what keys are included in each set.

I asked Melissa about combo stems and she gave me tier pricing quote on the three sets so I think SP is capable of that at least. I'll update when I get a response of whether normal alps stab mount is possible for the full set. Then we move on to the stabilizer compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:50:46
I totally love your color choice... BUT PLEEEEASE make an unbranded winkey! A diamond would be perfect, or add it as an option
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:53:17
Yeah those are just space fillers to give you an idea of what the keys are. Nothing is final.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:53:56
thanks! :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 09:54:16
I like the idea of a combo stem, 4 out of the 5 boards I've stripped have had Cherry stabs. Makes life a lot easier as well considering WASD sell the parts dirt cheap.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:03:21
Picked a few tones of blues, updated thread.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:07:00
I would go for higher contrast (and better retro fidelity)

Recently Krogenar scanned the color ring and we finally have some decently calibrated pictures.

I think BFP is a great choice

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:00
(http://i.imgur.com/ilznabl.jpg)

I think BFK is closest to the inspiration pic. BO comes close in second I think. Not a big fan of all the others.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:37
Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:07:00
I would go for higher contrast (and better retro fidelity)

Recently Krogenar scanned the color ring and we finally have some decently calibrated pictures.

I think BFP is a great choice

(Attachment Link)

Do you have a link to the calibrated scans?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:55
BFK would be my top choice.

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:20:37
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:37
Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:07:00
I would go for higher contrast (and better retro fidelity)

Recently Krogenar scanned the color ring and we finally have some decently calibrated pictures.

I think BFP is a great choice

(Attachment Link)

Do you have a link to the calibrated scans?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293611207/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293611207/)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:29:39
Thanks. Looks like BDH, BFK, or BO are all good choices. Does he have scans on the grey tones too?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:32:36
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:29:39
Thanks. Looks like BDH, BFK, or BO are all good choices. Does he have scans on the grey tones too?

yessir

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293654159/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293654159/in/photostream/)

(hint: just next/prev in the link I gave you to discover a wonderful world of colors :) )
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:51:23
I picked the closest color and narrowed it down to these:

(http://i.imgur.com/a4jJ559.jpg)


Fonts don't have to be white either, could be orange.


EDIT: Going through round 4 and found a similar theme has been done.

http://deskthority.net/resources/image/8196

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-4-t1376-3960.html

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_SPH
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:55:44
check this too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293597827/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/9293597827/in/photostream/)

GTA might be nice
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:55:52
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:37

Do you have a link to the calibrated scans?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.0
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Batmann on Wed, 17 July 2013, 12:05:43
Awesome, I would go BFP on GC
great idea Calavera

and also great mockups  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 17 July 2013, 12:20:18
BDH is an old favorite of mine (it's the blue from my RGBY kits).  Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 17 July 2013, 13:27:25
BDH with that white looks very sharp.  Nice contrast, and a rich color. 
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: UniClown on Wed, 17 July 2013, 13:46:27
GC is much better than GSM. GSM almost seems to have a green/blue coloring in it as well whereas GC is a more pure grey.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 14:05:07
Yeah I'd go BDH/GC, looks sweet.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 17 July 2013, 14:08:14
Quote from: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 14:05:07
Yeah I'd go BDH/GC, looks sweet.

+1
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 17 July 2013, 14:36:19
I'm on board for at least one set. And I like the the colorway of the OP., but open to the others as well.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: phetto on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:09:34
Will these have those too-short-shifts like in R4?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: cgbuen on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:16:54
In. This pretty much gets rid of my fear of sourcing caps when thinking about building ALPS boards.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: agodinhost on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:33:48
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:48:27
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Fxq8bEC.jpg)

Ahhhhhhhhh
I want this one
How much it will cost?
One eye? One arm?
Goshhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:38:44
BDH/GC mock up.

(http://i.imgur.com/BWCaOgq.jpg)

Gonna work on a dolch theme now.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 17 July 2013, 16:40:46
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:38:44
BDH/GC mock up.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BWCaOgq.jpg)


Gonna work on a dolch theme now.

Yep..........count me in big time. Gotta have tsangan and num pad.

dolch would be nice, but like your BDH/GC mock up as well ;D
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:12:45
enough dolch, go for something original :)

what do you think of...

(http://www.asciilifeform.com/bolix/bolix.png)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:19:47
Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:12:45
enough dolch, go for something original :)

what do you think of...

Show Image
(http://www.asciilifeform.com/bolix/bolix.png)


bad ass!!!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:20:46
here you have it... lovely!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:46:26
Needs more space bar.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: phetto on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:47:10
But still, these would have those off size long key right?

Haven't been around much but would the GON mx mini case work with the alps pcb?

If it does, I don't think that the off size keycaps matter much, since the case is open. 

Anyway, I would like to get in on this if keycaps for the mx mini layout will be provided, and doesn't have to use weird caps on the right side, like people have been using the numpad keycaps and whatnot.

Why not make these keycaps, to the right say something else, as a addon for mx minis.

Would appreciate if you would look in to it, Calavera.


Edit: didn't see that it was DCS profile, thought it was SPH for some reason. :(
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bupsthename on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:48:02
Always interested in alps.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:52:38
Quote from: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 14:05:07
Yeah I'd go BDH/GC, looks sweet.

+1 for me in this color combo, too. Darn it, just when I thought I'd slow down on kbd-related spending,  temptation strikes again.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:55:29
Cherry MX plates do not work with alps switches.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:56:33
I'm new to multicolored sets GBs. Would the function keys be all one color like the Mock-up, or would it go blue-gray-blue in groups, or would it come with both colors? I'm partial to the traditional alternating F key colors myself.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: UniClown on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:58:49
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 15:38:44
BDH/GC mock up.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BWCaOgq.jpg)


Gonna work on a dolch theme now.

I would like grey alphas and blue mods better.

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#GC,WA,BDH,WA
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:48:48
Man I'm having too much fun with this. Here are two more.

(http://i.imgur.com/TMNAJpn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/68RDRYf.jpg)


Anyways, we are moving forward with combo stabs. As it turns out, SP cannot do alps stab mounts.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:53:18
OMG! OMG!

I take 100 of GTF+GC!!!!!!

C'mon guys there's no game that combo kicks serious asses
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Sai on Thu, 18 July 2013, 02:02:04
Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:53:18
OMG! OMG!

I take 100 of GTF+GC!!!!!!

C'mon guys there's no game that combo kicks serious asses

+1
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 02:56:48
reverse dolch with yellow fonts

(http://i.imgur.com/PqbZ4aS.jpg)

Alright I'm gonna stop here. I think we have some very good choices already lol
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Sai on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:00:08
i would like to see orange on charcoal set.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:01:48
Stop prototyping, we already picked GTF+GC :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:02:29
While I was messing around in illustrator I realized I was just using the capslock and backspace logo from the raindrop set. Not sure if people want just the logos (which would mean eliminating the word 'shift' on the shift keys) or actual wording?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:03:07
Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:01:48
Stop prototyping, we already picked GTF+GC :)

lol by 'we' you mean you and Sai.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:04:22
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:03:07
Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:01:48
Stop prototyping, we already picked GTF+GC :)

lol by 'we' you mean you and Sai.

we (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural), of course :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:14:17
Quote from: phetto on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:47:10
But still, these would have those off size long key right?

Haven't been around much but would the GON mx mini case work with the alps pcb?

If it does, I don't think that the off size keycaps matter much, since the case is open. 

Anyway, I would like to get in on this if keycaps for the mx mini layout will be provided, and doesn't have to use weird caps on the right side, like people have been using the numpad keycaps and whatnot.

Why not make these keycaps, to the right say something else, as a addon for mx minis.

Would appreciate if you would look in to it, Calavera.


Edit: didn't see that it was DCS profile, thought it was SPH for some reason. :(

I'm planning on including 4 keys for the MX mini layout and will probably be included in the tsangan kit.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:57:12
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 02:56:48
reverse dolch with yellow fonts

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PqbZ4aS.jpg)


Alright I'm gonna stop here. I think we have some very good choices already lol

As someone who doesn't even own and alps board, I want these so bad!! ;)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: bueller on Thu, 18 July 2013, 04:56:13
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:48:48
Man I'm having too much fun with this. Here are two more.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TMNAJpn.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/68RDRYf.jpg)



Anyways, we are moving forward with combo stabs. As it turns out, SP cannot do alps stab mounts.

Only thing that worries me about these designs is that the text may be a little bit too low contrast to stand out. Don't want to have it be a repeat of Round 4 Retro, there's a heated discussion going on over at DT about it now.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Batmann on Thu, 18 July 2013, 05:02:45
GTF/GC is really nice

As for BDH/GC I find BDH too dark, almost as strong as GC which kills the contrast between the 2 tones and makes for a rather "heavy set".
A lighter blue like BFP would be neat.

Well at least judging by the mockups, real keyset might look different
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 05:16:57
The mock up pictures will never be accurate. I'm doing color pick from the calibrated scanned samples but that's the best I can do.
Here are the colors I used. They look better this way than the mock up pics.

(http://i.imgur.com/B2wYoNb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/a4jJ559.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: DamnDan on Thu, 18 July 2013, 05:46:17
OMG! These look awesome! Will they fit AT101W? If yes then depending on price i might be interested O,o Wow...just Wow. Finally! :P
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Batmann on Thu, 18 July 2013, 06:15:06
Krogenar did an awesome job with these HD scans
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 18 July 2013, 07:46:48
gtf/gc............where do i sign?

let's do this

finally some love for us alps folks :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:02:14
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:02:29
While I was messing around in illustrator I realized I was just using the capslock and backspace logo from the raindrop set. Not sure if people want just the logos (which would mean eliminating the word 'shift' on the shift keys) or actual wording?

yes...............to the "capslock" and "backspace" logo :p
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:14:27
In case you still need it, this should be the list of ABS colors after calibration:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg963937#msg963937 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg963937#msg963937)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:14:43
Quote from: terrpn on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:02:14
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 03:02:29
While I was messing around in illustrator I realized I was just using the capslock and backspace logo from the raindrop set. Not sure if people want just the logos (which would mean eliminating the word 'shift' on the shift keys) or actual wording?

yes...............to the "capslock" and "backspace" logo :p

My vote is for logos.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Batmann on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:58:54
I like text better
I guess I like it classic!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 10:48:43
Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 08:14:27
In case you still need it, this should be the list of ABS colors after calibration:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg963937#msg963937 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg963937#msg963937)

Thanks, hopefully we can get the mock up pics as close as possible to the real thing...
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 18 July 2013, 11:46:44
just curious..............a lot of us have many of the old alps boards with the big honking enter key, short back space :-\

whats the chance of maybe getting something like that made...............even blank if nothing else?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 12:39:36
1x back space and 1x \| key shouldn't be a problem, but I doubt a big ass enter key is possible. I don't think I've ever seen SP make them.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 18 July 2013, 13:21:20
Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 12:39:36
1x back space and 1x \| key shouldn't be a problem, but I doubt a big ass enter key is possible. I don't think I've ever seen SP make them.

that's cool............just those would be great if nothing else
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 18 July 2013, 15:31:51

Quote from: calavera on Thu, 18 July 2013, 12:39:36
I don't think I've ever seen SP make them.

they should have them available in DCS with cherry mounts, don't know about ALPS.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Nick Lee on Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:13:40
interested
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 08:26:38
Are all big ass enter stems standardized with alps? Don't they have a total of 6 stems and two stabilizers?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 19 July 2013, 09:13:50
standardized? Alps? :))
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 19 July 2013, 10:18:34
so what are your thoughts in trying to get this moving forward?

are you or most people considering this buy for newer tkl alps boards "and/or" the older 101/104 boards like dell 101's and then i am guessing the majority, the rest with the big honking enter key, 1x backspace, etc.?

we have kicked around an alps GB quite a few times, so am hopeful.......... :D

kudo's for grabbing the bull by the horns and trying to gather interest and hopefully a GB.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 11:39:24
Currently waiting for SP to get back to me regarding the big ass Enter key. But I'm kind of leaning towards just a standard ANSI set as proposed originally. Once it is determined exactly what key caps are offered in the three sets, we will move to GB/ordering stage.

Meanwhile I'm just trying different color combinations to find the right balance for best readability.

I think people who are interested in this GB will get in on it no matter what color is chosen. :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 19 July 2013, 11:58:30
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:16:37
Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 11:07:00
I would go for higher contrast (and better retro fidelity)

Recently Krogenar scanned the color ring and we finally have some decently calibrated pictures.

I think BFP is a great choice

(Attachment Link)

Do you have a link to the calibrated scans?

I don't think links are available to the calibrated scans (those are Matt's) but the raw scans (TIFF files) and JPEGs can be found here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg958898#msg958898

Looks like a great potential GB -- ALPS deserved some attention.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:00:31
Quote from: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 11:39:24
Currently waiting for SP to get back to me regarding the big ass Enter key. But I'm kind of leaning towards just a standard ANSI set as proposed originally. Once it is determined exactly what key caps are offered in the three sets, we will move to GB/ordering stage.

Meanwhile I'm just trying different color combinations to find the right balance for best readability.

I think people who are interested in this GB will get in on it no matter what color is chosen. :)

sounds like a plan.

thanks for checking on the big enter key..........

regardless i am excited to see this taking off and finally us alps people get some love!

thanks for doing this!

colors are looking :cool:

watch alps board start getting sucked up after this thing happens :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:07:19
There's at least 2 custom Alps projects going on right now. And I thought I knew of a third one. Calavera has his MX Mini layout Alps project and JD/Myself/Photekq/TheFlyingRaccoon are working on a TKL design. I believe Calavera started this buy for his project but I think this will be good for the TKL design. More info can be found in mine and Calavera's signature.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:21:49
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:07:19
There's at least 2 custom Alps projects going on right now. And I thought I knew of a third one. Calavera has his MX Mini layout Alps project and JD/Myself/Photekq/TheFlyingRaccoon are working on a TKL design. I believe Calavera started this buy for his project but I think this will be good for the TKL design. More info can be found in mine and Calavera's signature.

right and thanks for the heads-up........... maybe i discounted this buy somewhat as to be directly related with his new tkl board :-[

on another note those of us that are fond of some of the old alps boards would sure like to hop along for the ride and maybe help punch this thing through. i would love to pimp my old dell at101 and based on those that i see that have one i would think should the opportunity present itself they would also.

larger audience too.......

is this a "first" for alps?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:31:43
The biggest difficulty with "vintage" Alps boards is the wide range of variation in layout and stabilizer stem type.  It's part of why there has been no full Alps GB before.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:44:34
 :-\
Quote from: alaricljs on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:31:43
The biggest difficulty with "vintage" Alps boards is the wide range of variation in layout and stabilizer stem type.  It's part of why there has been no full Alps GB before.

i would agree............mine are all over the place :-\

so sticking with the "ansi" layout will still enable say a vintage dell 101 owner to do a full spread- providing there will be a tsangan and num pad to be available?

not sure about the space bar though?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:53:34
Quote from: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 11:39:24
I think people who are interested in this GB will get in on it no matter what color is chosen. :)

not really :P .... oooh okay, you are right!

the Symbolics combo is still the best :) and pleeeease unbranded winkey :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:23:49
Quote from: alaricljs on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:31:43
The biggest difficulty with "vintage" Alps boards is the wide range of variation in layout and stabilizer stem type.  It's part of why there has been no full Alps GB before.

Yup. What I've been doing in the meantime:

(http://i.imgur.com/uBFCJPC.jpg)


Comparing stem locations and compatibility.
(Dell 101 winkey, SGI Granite and some other alps sets) I wish I had more to compare but from what I have:


Going to wait for SP to respond about the extra stems. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: ___q on Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:56:41
Quote from: Matt3o on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:53:34
Quote from: calavera on Fri, 19 July 2013, 11:39:24
I think people who are interested in this GB will get in on it no matter what color is chosen. :)

not really :P .... oooh okay, you are right!

the Symbolics combo is still the best :) and pleeeease unbranded winkey :)

Completely agreed, that color scheme is great.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Binge on Fri, 19 July 2013, 18:21:47
I support this +1,000%
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 19 July 2013, 19:24:52
I'd argue that we should target the Ducky XM boards, the Filco Zero, and possibly the Solidtek ASK-6600 and Matias boards

Why?  They're the "modern" boards.   They're most likely to be consistent and no surprises.  For example, I think the Focus 2001 comes in three layouts-- backslash in bottom row, backslash by right shift, and Winkey+backslash by right shift.

They're also the ones most likely available for people who want to pick up an ALPS board to play.  For them, a default board-- that the set is designed to work with-- is a desirable thing.

Also, do note that some of the newer ALPS boards-- the Ducky and the Solidtek-- use a different stabilization than older ALPS boards-- it's Costar-style stabilizers.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: DUENAH on Sat, 20 July 2013, 04:58:55
Expectations.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 20 July 2013, 09:55:02
Quote from: Hak Foo on Fri, 19 July 2013, 19:24:52
I'd argue that we should target the Ducky XM boards, the Filco Zero, and possibly the Solidtek ASK-6600 and Matias boards

Why?  They're the "modern" boards.   They're most likely to be consistent and no surprises.  For example, I think the Focus 2001 comes in three layouts-- backslash in bottom row, backslash by right shift, and Winkey+backslash by right shift.

They're also the ones most likely available for people who want to pick up an ALPS board to play.  For them, a default board-- that the set is designed to work with-- is a desirable thing.

Also, do note that some of the newer ALPS boards-- the Ducky and the Solidtek-- use a different stabilization than older ALPS boards-- it's Costar-style stabilizers.

understand your reasoning- stems are all over the place and appreciate calavera taking the time to check [the stems]

just food for thought and "if" SP can do the "extra" stems...............i would think at least you open the door for a higher quantity of people getting in, placing an order by those who have an older board (to help bring the price down)-- be it a dell 101 or whatever.

i'm betting there are more of us who have older alps boards than those who have modern alps and then what percentage of those who own modern alps boards are wanting to spend the $ to get in on this GB?

if the general consensus is to stay modern, increased pricing than that is cool............it is what the majority and calavera want.

i'm in regardless based on the color schemes i have seen and are you kidding me..........finally an ALPS GB :eek:

am just hopeful if it is narrowed down to a modern layout, SP cannot do extra stems that there will be enough people who pay to bring the price in somewhat reasonable
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 20 July 2013, 10:10:46
It was my understanding that SP can't do Alps stabilizer stems.  So the only valid choices are for KBs that have Costar style stabs.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Tarzan on Sat, 20 July 2013, 10:20:56
I'd like to have a set that will work on FK-2001 boards, both winkey and winkeyless. 

I'm not really interested in newer Filcos or Matias boards, but vintage Focus/Magitronic boards are cheap enough to try several, it would be cool to have custom caps to update their looks.

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 21 July 2013, 17:10:57
I suspect the WIRES might be reusable on a Costar-style stabilizer, but you'd have to supply it yourself.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Mon, 22 July 2013, 11:18:04
I'm beginning to see why all past attempts have failed. When it comes to Alps, everything comes down to side stem locations.

It would help tremendously if I could gather info on the various boards and their stem locations.

Backspace, enter, left shift side stems are only 1/16"~1/8" off so my guess is most stabilizers will work fine.
Space bar and right shift is the most problematic.

So if you could post your keyboard, distance between side stem and center stem (center to center), kind of stabilizer..etc. It would help a lot.
Pics are even better.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Mon, 22 July 2013, 11:33:55
Quote from: calavera on Mon, 22 July 2013, 11:18:04
I'm beginning to see why all past attempts have failed. When it comes to Alps, everything comes down to side stem locations.

It would help tremendously if I could gather info on the various boards and their stem locations.

Backspace, enter, left shift side stems are only 1/16"~1/8" off so my guess is most stabilizers will work fine.
Space bar and right shift is the most problematic.

So if you could post your keyboard, distance between side stem and center stem (center to center), kind of stabilizer..etc. It would help a lot.
Pics are even better.

i would be happy just to do my dell 101 :cool:

i thought i saw where you had the dimensions on it- if not let me know

my other alps boards (stems) are all over the place as Hak Foo says............
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Mon, 22 July 2013, 11:56:59
I saw one with stem distances on desthority's wiki but I can't find it anymore. It had measurements in mm's from center to side stem. But they were also just MX I think.

Now's the time to contribute your info!
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: Grimey on Mon, 22 July 2013, 14:47:16
Is interested, many an alps switch sitting around with little to do.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: terrpn on Mon, 22 July 2013, 16:36:18
Quote from: calavera on Mon, 22 July 2013, 11:56:59
I saw one with stem distances on desthority's wiki but I can't find it anymore. It had measurements in mm's from center to side stem. But they were also just MX I think.

Now's the time to contribute your info!

never have pulled the stabilizers out of a dell board that has ALPS.............good grief :eek:

did not see how they came out and took a while to figure which way (murphy's law) they go back

dell (at101) "back space" from center out.....stems are 13-14mm off center

can you see how that fares with what you are looking at before i go any farther?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: pasph on Mon, 22 July 2013, 16:47:35
Make a pool and narrow down the old alps kbs interested
Or make a new SP standard alps stabilizers and feed old kbs with just the not stabilized Keys
Don't try to do what can't be done
Focus 2001, AEK, AT101, omnikey, SIIG just to name a few have at least different enter key or space bar stabilizers, then there are the compatibles like monterey, kpt or Omron, then the "new" duckys, Filco zero, Leopold lite, matias.
I have a number of those old kbs, even an IBM 5954339, and wish but really don't think anyone can cover all those variances
(http://thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/oneflewoverthecuckoosnest1.jpg)
Veteran Alps experts discussing Clones (Credits to Webit)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Tue, 23 July 2013, 11:01:46
I'm still in the process of working out the details of stem locations with SP but it looks like vintage alps boards won't be 100% compatible. Best I can do is split the sets up accordingly so that everyone with an alps board can buy something.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-17 update)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 25 July 2013, 17:02:34
UPDATE 07-25

6.25x spacebar: stem positions are fixed. So chances are it won't fit your board in most cases. (If your alps spacebar uses stock cherry mount and positions it will. I've seen some old alps boards with big enter keys use these)

7x spacebar: Additional stems can be done for a one time tooling fee of $1000. Moving the stems will cost $500. The former would mean greater compatibility for various boards. (I've seen some old alps boards with big enter keys use stock cherry mount and positions)

For 2.75x shift, the stems can only be moved by a small amount but I think it's enough for the stab wires.
2x keycaps are fixed but stems are close enough so they should fit as well.


As you can see the spacebar is the biggest obstacle. I'll update the thread in a few to reflect final so we can move on to GB stage.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 26 July 2013, 09:33:49
worth a stab............ ;D

thanks for the hard work

like you and others have said for older boards will just try and place what will fit

will probably, eventually get a modern alps boards depending on how the caps, colors, options turn out.

to be honest..........i'm a bolt turner, not the best with wiring, soldering- so as much as i like the alps plate, board you are offering i doubt if i would try putting one together

if it was a big block chevy-- no problem :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:35:18
I'm considering including big enter keys. If you have pictures of yours and stem locations that would help.
Otherwise I'm throwing this out and moving on with ANSI only.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:24:45
I need dimensions for 7x and 6.25x spacebar stab wires from alps boards please.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:37:17
Ducky 1087XM - identical to Cherry
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:57:07
What kind of stabs, dimensions of the wires? I don't have cherry 6.25 to confirm.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 26 July 2013, 17:01:45
Costar ripoff, cherry stems, C-C stem distance is 3 15/16"
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 17:31:08
Isn't costar thicker than regular alps wires? Does the stab wire bend in like or spread out and is the shorter side about 0.5"?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 26 July 2013, 18:50:36
I know nothing about "regular alps" anything.  outside-outside measurement of the bent end is 11/32" so nowhere near .5"
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 18:53:01
(http://i.imgur.com/KL1684k.jpg)

So its like the one on top (except shorter)? The bottom is from a Dell 101 6.25x spacebar I think.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 26 July 2013, 19:02:37
Yup, like the one on top, shorter lengthwise.  Also it has the multi-bend jog in the middle to go around the switch.  But really... why does the wire matter?  It should all be about stem position.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 19:22:23
I'm looking at custom wires as an alternative to moving stems and paying tooling costs.

A custom wire could mean a spacebar that fits not only filco zero and ducky, but also dell at101w.

For the 7x spacebar a universal custom wire would allow older alps (SGI, dell at101, chicony, northgate omnikey..etc) compatibility without having to move the stems at all.

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:49:25
sorry...........just checked in.

did you get dimensions?

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 22:08:33
Quote from: terrpn on Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:49:25
sorry...........just checked in.

did you get dimensions?



Not exact dimensions but I think the ducky one seems to be compatible as it is now.

You seem to have a few chicony alps, could you check your stabs and wire dimensions? Pictures would help. I'm also trying to cover big enter layouts as well so if you had pics of those that'd be great. I think the least I can do is include the extra 1x keys so the alphas are consistent at least on most older alps boards.

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 26 July 2013, 23:09:17
chicony 5181 big you know what.......
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Fri, 26 July 2013, 23:12:38
Thanks. That looks like cherry stems for stabs? I actually need the shorter side length on the wires too.

Looks like this would pretty much cover most big enter key layouts:

(http://i.imgur.com/b4Xpkgf.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 26 July 2013, 23:20:09
cherry stems :D

inside (short)on wire dimensions

28-29mm

15mm
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 27 July 2013, 11:31:54
here are a couple more shots if it will help........

would be great if this is a possibility depending on cost?

did you get enough dimensions for a dell 101?

would be be awesome to grab a dell board, switch out with matias switches whenever they come out and the possibility, outfitting mostly with new caps

of course i hear and see many that want to keep modern- ducky, zero, ansi, etc. which i understand, but to be able in some form to have the opportunity to at least partially outfit some older boards you would have to think would get more people in the GB?

especially being this will be a first if it comes to form :cool:

if not then it is what it is..........
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sat, 27 July 2013, 13:14:00
Thanks!
So far all the alps boards I'm looking into are:

Dell 101, 101W, SGI Granite/Duck mini v2, Filco Zero, Ducky 1087XM, Chicony 5181, Wang724.

Right now I'm considering splitting set 1 into alpha and mods separately. This way ALL alps board owners can participate.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 27 July 2013, 14:04:45
terrpn, those two pictures of dimensions you posted, are those exact numbers from datasheets or are those your own measured numbers?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sat, 27 July 2013, 14:21:08
I'm pretty sure he measured it himself. Why?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 27 July 2013, 19:21:31
 :eek:
Quote from: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 27 July 2013, 14:04:45
terrpn, those two pictures of dimensions you posted, are those exact numbers from datasheets or are those your own measured numbers?

those are what i one-eyed :eek:

i tried to provide something IAW what calavera was asking for

the metric is more accurate.

the stab wires are inside dimensions- not outside.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 27 July 2013, 19:32:58
just to clarify......

i measured center out...........to the center of stab

not outside in
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 28 July 2013, 01:58:25
calavera do you still need help with stabs?

I have a focus fk2001 and next week I'll get an sgi granite.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 28 July 2013, 11:55:24
Yes it would definitely help. The more people chip in the better.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: pasph on Sun, 28 July 2013, 14:02:16
Ordered a digital caliper
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: simkev on Wed, 31 July 2013, 09:01:16
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 17 July 2013, 02:36:12
I will try to keep this as simple as possible.
This is an interest check for Alps DCS profile double shot keycaps to go hand in hand with my ALPS PCB/plate project (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44851.msg932446#msg932446).

Color inspiration
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1lEZyVL.jpg)


Actual SP color: BFP/GC combo
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/a4jJ559.jpg)



Divided into the following three sets.

  • Set 1: 89 keys (TKL)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/t7uEJH7.jpg)


  • Set 2: 17 keys (Numpad)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/L8ovbwk.jpg)


  • Set 3: 11 keys (Mod kit)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/L6c9AUW.jpg)


  • Set 4: Vintage set (Mod kit)
  • May or may not be in the final order
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/b4Xpkgf.jpg)



Combo stems:
Side stems will be cherry mount only.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/24ylJkD.jpg)




07-25 update
Looking into stem locations and stab wire options. Any help/pics of your alps board would be appreciated.
I think that you should swap the colors so that the base set would be grey and the modifiers blue.
Like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/PbihgWo.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 31 July 2013, 15:02:37
I thought about it but I think I'm gonna keep it the way it is.

Chances are the mods won't fit on most older alps boards and the only common keys are the alphas. So even with only swapping out the alphas you get similar effect of what the whole set looks like since most alps boards have grey mods already.

Quick dirty photoshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/lIdil55.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 31 July 2013, 16:05:34
no complaints here.........

did you say which font already?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: simkev on Wed, 31 July 2013, 16:27:36
Quote from: calavera on Wed, 31 July 2013, 15:02:37
I thought about it but I think I'm gonna keep it the way it is.

Chances are the mods won't fit on most older alps boards and the only common keys are the alphas. So even with only swapping out the alphas you get similar effect of what the whole set looks like since most alps boards have grey mods already.

Quick dirty photoshop:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lIdil55.jpg)

Ok, didn't know that about Alps.
Btw, how are you making the keycap mockups that are in your first post in this thread?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 31 July 2013, 18:49:10
I like everything about this set.  Love that teal-ish blue.  I will most likely be getting one, as I'd love to build / modify an Alps keyboard in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 07 August 2013, 21:27:33
Just posting to let people know I'm still on top of things, I've just been too busy to sort out stab wire situation yet.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: kaotikb on Sun, 25 August 2013, 16:58:04
I like how this set looks. I was looking for a set for my ducky green alps board.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Nask on Mon, 26 August 2013, 07:53:37
Yum, yum, yum, I will need some keycaps with the coming ALPS/MX mini keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: bueller on Tue, 03 September 2013, 02:50:39
Definitely in.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 03 September 2013, 04:32:05
The orange/grey is yummy.
Grey/green would also look amazing. In regardless.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 September 2013, 08:01:08
We need some keycaps to go with this

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48078.0
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Wed, 04 September 2013, 10:41:08
The problem with the 1800 is that you don't have a plate for the alps stabilizer mounts. what people have done in the past is use a combination of both alps and cherry switches for it because of that. Alps in 1x size (alphas, numbers..etc) and cherry in other sizes (enter, backspace, spacebar..etc) This also solves having to source alps keycaps that fit since 1x sizes are easier to find.

Anyways, the three sets I organized already cover everything for the 1800 layout. Some keys might not be the right height (like page down, delete, end keys.) Spacebar is yet to be determined.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 04 September 2013, 10:45:32
Plates we can get, no problem. The_Beast is our man. :)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 September 2013, 11:02:28
Actually looking at the exploded drawing that was posted I believe there is an acrylic plate as part of the case.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: MTManiac on Wed, 04 September 2013, 14:35:41
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 July 2013, 06:18:11
I like #2 can we call it batman!
only if they throw a couple batman keys up
I would have to buy multiple sets
heck I'm still going to probably buy multiple sets
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: abdulmuhsee on Sun, 29 September 2013, 17:51:48
Wondering if this is going to happen or not, but I'm definitely interested.

There are two reasons that a more "normal" color scheme might be a bit better:

1.  There is literally no way (currently) to purchase new ALPS keycaps apart from buying a new-old-stock board with pad-printed ones.  If there were already many options, blue might be nice, but it seems strange as the only option.

2.  ALPS boards are not created equal, especially in the spacebar department.  I use 101 layouts, which have a longer spacebar than those with Windows keys, and with the spacebar provided (with the cherry stuff going on), I would have no way to stabilize it.  In other words, I would be using a stock white spacebar which would stick out like a sore thumb among the blue and grey.

No matter what happens, I would have to use at least a few keys from a different board, whether it be the spacebar, slightly different caps lock, or even the alt and ctrl keys; the ALPS diaspora will make it very difficult for many to match such a specific color scheme.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 29 September 2013, 18:46:57
Currently on hold since I'm extremely busy with life and won't have free time for a month or two.

1. I might go with the alternative color choice instead. Nothing's set in stone.

2. main obstacle and currently working for a partial solution in providing custom stab wires that should work with most stabilizer positions on the space bar. This might take awhile.

Never meant to cover EVERY alps board in the world. That's the reason why I have this IC thread so people with different alps board can chime in with detailed info. So far only a few helped but I had to do most of the estimates and measuring myself. If you have a funky 10x spacebar with 1x size control and 2.5x caps lock...etc you're **** out of luck, chances are SP doesn't have the molds to make them anyway.

So I'll just try to cover "mainstream" ones only.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 29 September 2013, 21:47:23
Hmmmmmm the color scheme is pretty cool.  I like it !!!

Though judging by the spacebar stabilizer stems and bottom row layout, it seems like it will not work with any of the Matias keyboards.

It's the only ALPS keyboard I have.

:(
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 21 October 2013, 18:10:02
Expressing interest in a set or two.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: nourathar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:16:04
would certainly be interested to buy a set, like the colours !
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: sprit on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:51:00

I am in !  definitely !
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: ovrskeek on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:23:55
In for a set
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: nourathar on Fri, 25 October 2013, 05:19:25
actually,
after some time pondering this, I thought that what is really missing for me from the Alps-universe are blank keycaps. If they exist, I have never seen them, and I would love to have some.

Any chance that could be an extra option ?
For me personally I do not care much if the modifiers and enter and such are blank, it is mostly the alphanumeric keys I care about, so that would effectively be one one-unit key per row, since for the rest they would be all identical...

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sun, 27 October 2013, 01:12:34
So anyone else want black alphas?
Title: _
Post by: moogle on Sun, 27 October 2013, 01:29:53
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Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: nourathar on Sun, 27 October 2013, 16:35:53
Hi calavera,

for the blanks I would prefer the gray from this set, or perhaps the blue, so that is still nicely goes together with the rest of the set. Thanks for considering this option !

ciao,

J.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Mon, 28 October 2013, 14:51:18
Quote from: moogle on Sun, 27 October 2013, 01:29:53
will this key cap set be compatible with a kingsaver?

Yes and no. The Kingsaver has a unique sized Backspace, \, enter, and right shift. They're slightly longer than the standard sizes. They should still fit since the mounting is the same I believe but you'll have some gaps.

Quote from: nourathar on Sun, 27 October 2013, 16:35:53
Hi calavera,

for the blanks I would prefer the gray from this set, or perhaps the blue, so that is still nicely goes together with the rest of the set. Thanks for considering this option !

ciao,

J.


we'll see how it goes. If there isn't enough interest (at least 50 MOQ to make it reasonably priced) I don't think it will happen this time around.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 28 October 2013, 14:52:31
Can we move this to the GB stage now?
Title: _
Post by: moogle on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:50:22
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Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: kaotikb on Fri, 08 November 2013, 22:34:32
I am in for a set if we get to the group buy stage.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: drumflavah on Sat, 04 January 2014, 08:05:22
When do you think this project will be up and running?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Sat, 04 January 2014, 10:30:12
If everyone's okay with spacebar and possibly left shift not fitting, we could just get this thing rolling and explore custom stabilizer options at a later time. I'll have more free time this month so will update when I can.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: codyeatworld on Sat, 04 January 2014, 10:45:00
Either way I will join in, but I'd rather receive a complete set all at once.

Have you looked into tai hao? (I remember reading they do alps, and their legends look exactly like most alps keyboards)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 04 January 2014, 10:46:37
Quote from: calavera on Sat, 04 January 2014, 10:30:12
If everyone's okay with spacebar and possibly left shift not fitting, we could just get this thing rolling and explore custom stabilizer options at a later time. I'll have more free time this month so will update when I can.

beggars are not choosy..........

my vote is to move forward. you have made it clear with all the various alps configurations not all are applicable :-\

whenever you might find time at your convenience...........lets roll :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 04 January 2014, 11:47:57
Let's get this going, please

the legends on my ducky are starting to wear off
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 January 2014, 20:52:42
Quote from: terrpn on Sat, 04 January 2014, 10:46:37
beggars are not choosy..........

my vote is to move forward. you have made it clear with all the various alps configurations not all are applicable :-\


You bet.  I know I should of read everything from the beginning, but this is just a question (if it's been answered yet, sorry to repeat) - Would these double-shot ALPs key-set work within a MATIAS keyboard, especially the TKL version?

Just thought how brilliant this Group Buy would be for any owners of Matias boards (with their 'superior' version of an alps switch)  ;D .
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 04 January 2014, 21:01:10
just make sure that there's a 40% setup ;)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 06 January 2014, 07:58:10
Quote from: Pacifist on Sat, 04 January 2014, 21:01:10
just make sure that there's a 40% setup ;)

You have a 40% ALPS  board?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 13 January 2014, 22:19:59
[comment deleted; I thought this was about DSA caps]
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: megarat on Wed, 05 March 2014, 23:15:19
I just came across this thread, and am interested in joining as well.  Is it still going forward?

Depending on the cost, I would probably be interested in four (yes, four (4)) sets.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: calavera on Mon, 10 March 2014, 09:13:59
Was supposed to move forward earlier beginning this year but stuff came up and I may be leaving the US for good in a few months. Space bar and shift key stabilizer issue is still up in the air and given the length it takes for a group buy and everything that's involved (organizing, payment, ordering/packing..etc) I'm not sure there's enough time to finish this. :(
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: kaotikb on Tue, 18 March 2014, 16:47:30
Quote from: calavera on Mon, 10 March 2014, 09:13:59
Was supposed to move forward earlier beginning this year but stuff came up and I may be leaving the US for good in a few months. Space bar and shift key stabilizer issue is still up in the air and given the length it takes for a group buy and everything that's involved (organizing, payment, ordering/packing..etc) I'm not sure there's enough time to finish this. :(

That is  too bad. I was looking forward to this.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 18 March 2014, 17:05:04
If we use Sp, they can handle a lot of the logistics, with their new setup
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 16:32:27
Does anybody know what kind of stabilizers sprit PCB + plate will accept?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 19 March 2014, 16:40:10
Quote from: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 16:32:27
Does anybody know what kind of stabilizers sprit PCB + plate will accept?

Dell AT101W IIRC.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:03:12
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Wed, 19 March 2014, 16:40:10
Dell AT101W IIRC.

Wouldn't a Cherry/Costar combination work? I don't have a Costar board but I have two Alps boards now and by the looks of it, the cap inserts should be compatible with Costar stabs.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:11:33
Quote from: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:03:12
I don't have a Costar board but I have two Alps boards now and by the looks of it, the cap inserts should be compatible with Costar stabs.
Which “Alps” keyboards do you have? There are two styles of stabilizers I’ve seen used on keyboards with Alps switches and other Alps-mount switches. Most common is the “Alps”-style stabilizer, and less common is the “Costar”-style stabilizer.

It sounds from your description like your boards/keycaps use the Costar-style stabilizers. That means Signature Plastics’ Alps keycaps (ignoring problems w/ weird-shaped enter keys, etc.) will work great for you. Unfortunately, most people with Alps keyboards have the Alps-style stabilizer, and SP’s stabilized keycaps are not usable on those boards.

Some keyboards use both. For instance, I believe Matias uses Costar-style stabilizers on the spacebar, but Alps-style stabilizers on other keys. I’ve also seen keyboards with Alps-style stabilizers everywhere but on a “bigass” enter key.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:24:34
Just took a quick pic of it.

[attachimg=1]

I'm sorry I didn't read through the whole thread, what problems are there with enter keys? I want to help getting this thing rolling.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:25:58
Quote from: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:24:34
Just took a quick pic of it.
Ah, okay. Yes, you have the Alps-style stabilizer. It’s not compatible with Costar-style stabilizers or their inserts.

However, it looks like your plate also might have cutouts to fit the little Costar-style stabilizer clips. So you might be able to use either one.

Quote
what problems are there with enter keys?
It seems like every Alps keyboard uses a different shaped enter key. :-)
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:33:30
Quote from: jacobolus on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:25:58
However, it looks like your plate also might have cutouts to fit the little Costar-style stabilizer clips. So you might be able to use either one.

That plate is thin, plastic, broken and overall absolutely terrible :))

Quote from: jacobolus on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:25:58
It seems like every Alps keyboard uses a different shaped enter key. :-)

Ah yeah noticed that. Hmm.

Would it be possible to create an adapter to make them fit Costar stabs? I mean the inserts are tiny, maybe making a mold for an adapter wouldn't cost an insane amount?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 19 March 2014, 21:09:20
Quote from: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 19:33:30
Would it be possible to create an adapter to make them fit Costar stabs? I mean the inserts are tiny, maybe making a mold for an adapter wouldn't cost an insane amount?
I’m also curious about this. What you’d actually want is an Alps-style stabilizer insert which fit into a Cherry MX mount (Costar stabilizer mount), assuming the goal is to use SP caps on existing Alps boards/plates.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Wed, 19 March 2014, 21:37:07
Ok I just measured, the stem of my inserts is 2x3x4mm. Now I need measurements from some Costar inserts (I don't have any) and I can make a 3D model of an adapter that then somebody can print at Shapeways.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS key cap set (ANSI)
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 20 March 2014, 20:23:29
Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 17 July 2013, 17:12:45
enough dolch, go for something original :)

what do you think of...

Show Image
(http://www.asciilifeform.com/bolix/bolix.png)

GOSH!
Awesome colors dude!
Simple but really cool
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Thu, 20 March 2014, 20:33:45
Still need the measurements btw :(
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Magna224 on Fri, 21 March 2014, 05:58:15
Ill take one set if they're done in the color combo in OP. I have ordered sprits case and getting a PCB for my blue alps when he does the Gb for that. My color combo is white+black+blue and that keycaps set would look great on it. 
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: hydrospell on Fri, 21 March 2014, 09:27:12
+1 alps caps ftw 
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Sat, 22 March 2014, 11:55:10
I had another idea: instead of making an adaper insert for Costar stabilizers, we could also make an adapter slider for Cherry stabilizers. It should definately work with PCB mounted stabs, will have to double check with plate mounted stabs.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 22 March 2014, 21:25:02
Quote from: BlueBär on Sat, 22 March 2014, 11:55:10
I had another idea: instead of making an adaper insert for Costar stabilizers, we could also make an adapter slider for Cherry stabilizers. It should definately work with PCB mounted stabs, will have to double check with plate mounted stabs.
Can you explain what you’re trying to do? I thought the goal was to make keycaps with cherry MX shaped stabilizer insert mounts fit on existing Alps keyboards.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: christopher24745 on Sat, 22 March 2014, 22:24:09
I would buy set #1
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: BlueBär on Sun, 23 March 2014, 07:38:27
Quote from: jacobolus on Sat, 22 March 2014, 21:25:02
Can you explain what you’re trying to do? I thought the goal was to make keycaps with cherry MX shaped stabilizer insert mounts fit on existing Alps keyboards.

Yeah sorry, this was more related to PCBs/keyboards I guess. A stabilizer insert adapter is probably more useful.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: terrpn on Sun, 20 April 2014, 15:40:57
i hope this does not die......... :-\

just an 89 ansi set would be great :thumb:

i know is got to be others looking for some alps love :-*

Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Grim Fandango on Mon, 28 July 2014, 17:08:23
I also hope this does not die and we will see the GB stage.

Since there are currently no other options for Alps sets (other than taking them from other keyboards) I think this will appeal to a lot of people. Also, for this same reason I think a more neutral set, like the GTF/GC
More
(http://i.imgur.com/68RDRYf.jpg)
would be the a great option. I will definitely buy more than one set if this gets made (it goes with anything). I love that scheme.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: Heliosphere on Mon, 28 July 2014, 23:33:00
Wow this is an old OP. I'm interested as well.
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 29 July 2014, 00:14:37
Very interested depending on the spacebar stems.

I will be getting the V60 MTS when it comes out, and this is exactly what I'm looking for.

Would you be using Cherry font?
Title: Re: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 06:54:13
Isn't the OP running a getting out of the keyboard game sale?

Quote from: calavera on Tue, 10 June 2014, 21:33:11
More or less getting out of keyboards so decided to start selling off my collection. All items are in near perfect condition unless noted otherwise.