Mionix NAOS 7000.....

[Elrick]

Just received this baby from Fedex a few minutes ago....

Have connected it to the PC and not using anything accept the rudimentary NAOS 7000 Software Version 1.19.

Of course the main reason why I bought this beggar (my 3rd from this company) was to find a mouse model with a decent optical sensor.  It has an ADNS-3310 gaming grade optical sensor which is perfect.  Plus the same old scroll wheel which is the most sublime I've ever used in any input device.

The shape of the mouse is unchanged because it's brilliant finish and outright sturdiness is something to be admired compared to the horrible, noisy, crackling cheapness of the current DA2013.  It's braided cable is still manufactured as flexible as some strands of hair without it being stiff or harsh when you move your fingers along it, good one Mionix.  Amazing how certain company's still adhere to a high quality standard throughout their model ranges, while others have gotten worse like Razer and sometimes Logitech and Microsoft have joined that brigade of greedy, price gouging parasites. The lure of easy money and using fake propaganda released unto the gullible, just to keep on ripping people off with tacky, input devices that now break down all to frequently.

This would be the absolute first time that I don't have any problems using this current model mouse, within Windows 8.1  .

All I can say is that this baby is a keeper, if you want right hand relaxation.

[daerid]

Ooooooooo that baby looks sweet. Where'd you pick that up from?

[Elrick]

Ooooooooo that baby looks sweet. Where'd you pick that up from?

Easy, off Mionix's Shop (http://mionix.net/mionix-store/) on the net.  I know I got scalped with Fedex Shipping but I wanted to try this baby out when the new sensor was confirmed for this.

I use to have extreme difficulties with their previous laser sensors in the 5000 and 8200 series but now I've found the "Goldilock's" mouse which is simply 'perfect' for me.

There is no extra weight placement for this model but I can confirm she isn't exactly anorexic like the Rival or DA2013 rodents.

[All The Fire]

Did you cheeck PCCG? They've been stocking Mionix mice for a few years now.

Ah, they're still in preorder for this model. If the sensor is good I might try the Avior 7000 one day, the size and shape looks better for me. But I'm still liking the Savu a lot.

[damorgue]

Mionix are swedish and all my local stores carry their products. I could proxy if need be.

[Elrick]

Did you cheeck PCCG? They've been stocking Mionix mice for a few years now.

Ah, they're still in preorder for this model. If the sensor is good I might try the Avior 7000 one day, the size and shape looks better for me. But I'm still liking the Savu a lot.

I placed my order a couple of weeks before PCCG posted their response.  I nearly buy all my stuff from PCCG, but some items still elude them and hence my choice of buying from overseas.

I have a couple of Roccats (XTD and KONE Optical), very fine mice  .

[Oobly]

This looks to be a great one. Potential to become a classic, IMHO if the software, etc proves good.

Good scroll wheel, comfortable shape, good sensor. I like.

[daerid]

Yeah I'm thinking I might have to pick one up.

[vun]

This looks to be a great one. Potential to become a classic, IMHO if the software, etc proves good.

Good scroll wheel, comfortable shape, good sensor. I like.

My experience with Mionix software hasn't been very impressive. It's not outright terrible, but it is unnecessarily overdesigned and clunky, and certainly not a good point.

To OP:
How is the build quality compared to the 5k? Because to be worth the price, the 7k better be miles ahead of the 5k in terms of build quality.

[Elrick]

To OP:
How is the build quality compared to the 5k? Because to be worth the price, the 7k better be miles ahead of the 5k in terms of build quality.

Since I have the both the NAOS 5000 and 8200 series (both with added weights), they were surprising well designed when it came to the housing and switches.  Both stood up to my handling and extreme pressures without squealing.  For me the only problems I had were with their use of fundamentally flawed laser sensors, which they tried to repair with numerous firmware updates (failed miserably).

The current NAOS 7000 has no weights but it seems to have the exact same heaviness as the previous models (which I personally love).  All Mionix have done is use the exact same plastic injection mould for this mouse model as previous models that have been released already.  The good thing is that they still have that VOLVO added quality to it.  No matter how hard you press the switches or press hard on the scroll wheel, it still continues to work without faults.

You vun seem to have some trouble with the build quality of your NAOS 5000 series yet for me that exact same model has continued to work flawlessly within Windows 7 only (win 8.1 is a problem).  The NAOS 7000 works perfectly within Win 7 and Win 8.1 without needing any firmware updates (not that there is one available).  The only way I could possibly kill the NAOS 7000 is throw into the brick wall and see if it still works when re-connected with the PC - but not yet.

Overall the price is correct for the hardware that it's using ADNS-3310 gaming grade optical sensor and a 32MHz ARM processor bundled inside the housing.  The 4 layers of soft touch rubber coating which is quite good compared to most other coatings on mice, except the current Roccat range (they still rule). Seems to be a durable surface ensuring maximum grip/soft touch feel.

Thus far it works beautifully, maybe need to use it for 3 months or more to see what it's really like before giving it any thumbs up praise, but considering what's been released already out there, I think this baby is a winner for the right-handers.

[Hyde]

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

If they can re-release their mouse 15% smaller than it would be perfect.

[Elrick]

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

You're wrong, they only release the average hand width + length hence they're absolutely suitable for 70% of the human population on Earth.

You should start using growth serum or wait till you're a little older (presuming you are still a schoolie).

[vun]

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

If they can re-release their mouse 15% smaller than it would be perfect.

I wouldn't say they're made for giants, my hands aren't huge, but I'd still like the Naos shape to be slightly bigger.

[Hyde]

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

You're wrong, they only release the average hand width + length hence they're absolutely suitable for 70% of the human population on Earth.

You should start using growth serum or wait till you're a little older (presuming you are still a schoolie).

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

If they can re-release their mouse 15% smaller than it would be perfect.

I wouldn't say they're made for giants, my hands aren't huge, but I'd still like the Naos shape to be slightly bigger.

lol ok maybe saying they're made for giants is a bit exaggeration.  But they're definitely not suitable for 70% of the human population.

Let's look at some number, I'll only do length for simplicity's sake:

Larger Mouse:

135 mm - Roccat Kone XTD
131 mm - Logitech G400
130 mm - Mionix Naos
127 mm - Razer Deathadder
125 mm - Mionix Avior
125 mm - SteelSeries Sensei
124 mm - Razer Taipan


Smaller Mouse:

120 mm - Roccat Kone Pure
117 mm - SteelSeries Kinzu
115 mm - Razer Abyssus
108 mm - Logitech G9X
107 mm - CM Storm Spawn/Xornet

So all the Mionix mouse definitely belongs to the larger group.  Also doesn't help that I claw/fingertip grip.  At the moment Mionix has nothing in the mouse lineup that cator towards the smaller hand claw/fingertip grip group.

And I'm pretty sure telling their customer to buy growth serum won't help sell their products.

[Elrick]

And I'm pretty sure telling their customer to buy growth serum won't help sell their products.

Sorry bud, stupid joke from a stupid person  .

Mionix is 'propbably' just catering for their own population.  70% of their population are related to ancient Nordish races hence they're physical dimensions are far greater than most others from the southern hemisphere.  As usual their grasp of ergonomics is only suitable to their own specifications and that maybe their reasoning for only releasing limited sized input products.

I'm not saying they designed their product range solely for their own use, but it clearly says on the bottom label that the product is "Designed and Engineered in Sweden" but assembled in P.R.C.

I suspect that Mionix isn't some huge corporation like Logitech or Razer and hence having multiple sized moulds for plastic injection would be facilitated.  They only have just two different moulds to which all of their current range of mice are produced.  If more people buy their product range maybe down the track they'll release new sized input devices.

[Hyde]

lol no worries, but yeah hopefully one day they'll expand their product line.

Otherwise at the moment I really like the shape of Mionix Avior and Razer Taipan, just wish it was smaller.  One can only dream. 

[Novus]

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

You're wrong, they only release the average hand width + length hence they're absolutely suitable for 70% of the human population on Earth.

You should start using growth serum or wait till you're a little older (presuming you are still a schoolie).

Mionix need to release all their mice in smaller versions, I like the shape and everything but they're all just made for giants.

If they can re-release their mouse 15% smaller than it would be perfect.

I wouldn't say they're made for giants, my hands aren't huge, but I'd still like the Naos shape to be slightly bigger.

lol ok maybe saying they're made for giants is a bit exaggeration.  But they're definitely not suitable for 70% of the human population.

Let's look at some number, I'll only do length for simplicity's sake:

Larger Mouse:

135 mm - Roccat Kone XTD
131 mm - Logitech G400
130 mm - Mionix Naos
127 mm - Razer Deathadder
125 mm - Mionix Avior
125 mm - SteelSeries Sensei
124 mm - Razer Taipan


Smaller Mouse:

120 mm - Roccat Kone Pure
117 mm - SteelSeries Kinzu
115 mm - Razer Abyssus
108 mm - Logitech G9X
107 mm - CM Storm Spawn/Xornet

So all the Mionix mouse definitely belongs to the larger group.  Also doesn't help that I claw/fingertip grip.  At the moment Mionix has nothing in the mouse lineup that cator towards the smaller hand claw/fingertip grip group.

And I'm pretty sure telling their customer to buy growth serum won't help sell their products.

Personally I've always found the majority of mice in the market to be too small, that is until recently where we've had a refresh of ergonomic style IME-3 like devices.

My somewhat biased impression is that gamers tend to small, lanky nerds with tiny hands. Sorry had to throw that in there =P, since we are capping on shorties, I could not resist.
Sweden also falls on the higher distribution of human height, there's no correlation between height and hand size correlation, but I surmise that might have something to do with it.

Jokes aside, many people prefer, light and small mouse devices because they find them easier to maneuver in games. I do understand that, but most people with regular hands would cramp up after using those tiny devices. I don't think the Mionix Avior can be considered a "mouse for giants" though. I think it's a somewhat standard size mouse suitable for most hand sizes.

There's also an issue with how the mouse is actually measured. Length isn't a good way to describe how large a mouse is because many mouse devices, like the XTD, have uneven lengths throughout.
I know you only used length for simplicity's sake though.
 

 

[Hyde]

lol yeah that's why I say the length is just for simplicity.  For example out of the "small list" I find Razer Abyssus actually feel the biggest out of the bunch and Roccat Kone Pure feel smallest.

As for the preferred mouse size I think it depends on game and grip style, I know for Starcraft players tend to prefer smaller mouse.  For me I think I'm just used to claw/fingertip so those size seems to work better.

The Ninox Gaming Mouse is a good example of gamer wanting small mouse.  Too bad that project is kind of going nowhere at the moment.  =______=

[Novus]

lol yeah that's why I say the length is just for simplicity.  For example out of the "small list" I find Razer Abyssus actually feel the biggest out of the bunch and Roccat Kone Pure feel smallest.

As for the preferred mouse size I think it depends on game and grip style, I know for Starcraft players tend to prefer smaller mouse.  For me I think I'm just used to claw/fingertip so those size seems to work better.

The Ninox Gaming Mouse is a good example of gamer wanting small mouse.  Too bad that project is kind of going nowhere at the moment.  =______=

Get a zowie FK 
(disclaimer, I've never used it before =P)

[Elrick]

The Ninox Gaming Mouse is a good example of gamer wanting small mouse.  Too bad that project is kind of going nowhere at the moment.  =______=

I think it has been mishandled from the get go.  You'll have lots of so-called gamers suggesting changes to the mouse all the time hence the poor organizers are forced to make re-adjustments in the design and internal components.  Not easy to make a mouse from scratch, probably harder than making any customized keyboard here on Geekhack.

I suspect that the Ninox will finally get released this year but who knows.........

[damorgue]

Not easy to make a mouse from scratch, probably harder than making any customized keyboard here on Geekhack.

Not many people seem willing to try and make their own though.

[Novus]

I tried the naos 3200 at fry's.
I wish the mouse was a few mm taller but I really like the ring finger rest.

[vun]

I tried the naos 3200 at fry's.
I wish the mouse was a few mm taller but I really like the ring finger rest.

If you like the rest then I'd recommend both the Func MS-3 and Razer Naga with wide grip over the Naos 3200 and 5000. I can't say much about the newer Naos models, but the 3200 and 5000 aren't very impressive in terms of build quality and feel. I would only get the 3200 if an optical sensor is important to you.

[daerid]

PSSSSSSSSSST

It's up on MassDrop

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/mionix-naos-7000?mode=guest_open

[Novus]

Olde to JOY!
*gosh it's still quite expensive after tax and shipping
Amazon prime spoils me so much.

[daerid]

Yeah, but still it's $20 cheaper than Amazon prime (assuming the drop hits its target)

[Cafiend]

Thanks for the post elrick. You are fortifying my purchase this pay day!

[MsYutai]

You say the scroll wheel is sublime... I'm listening! What's it like? Butter smooth?

[Novus]

Yeah, but still it's $20 cheaper than Amazon prime (assuming the drop hits its target)

Yea that's true!
I'm going to commit to this since I've been wanting this for a while!

[katushkin]

Eugh. I told myself I wouldn't buy anything off GH next month... Looks like I'm going to have to add this mouse to my new build...

[zig_ziglar]

All I can say is sadface. The abyssus is the right size mouse for me to use palm grip on, assuming they made a right hand ergonomic version. The Naos is way too big for me to use with any grip. That being said, my hand size probably represents the minority on the other end of the spectrum.

[katushkin]

I'm very torn between this and a White RAT5 for my new build...

Does it come in white?

[damorgue]

It is available at 45USD today at cdon.com for any Swedes who might be interested.

[vun]

It is available at 45USD today at cdon.com for any Swedes who might be interested.

Same goes for Norwegians, Danes and Finns, as cdon operates in all those countries.

[damorgue]

It is available at 45USD today at cdon.com for any Swedes who might be interested.

Same goes for Norwegians, Danes and Finns, as cdon operates in all those countries.

Forgot about that. It also goes to anyone who wants to have it proxied.

The mouse is fairly popular and it is a notable discount for those who might want one. It is even cheaper than the massdrop I believe.

[Novus]

That is a good price!
I'd jump on that!

Although I think after proxy fees + shipping, it'll be the same price as massdrop

[Cafiend]

I got the Avior 7000. I decided on this one due to the fact that I claw grip. This thing is a beast.

It fits very nicely in my hand. I can see how those with smaller hands might have trouble but for me it's perfect. It is light but with a sturdy feel to it.

Time to go spank some kids on Battlefield.

Thanks for the post Elrick 

[MsYutai]

Got my Mionix Naos 7000 from Massdrop yesterday.

First impressions:

• The mouse buttons have a really nice click, I think maybe the travel distance is a bit farther than the Omrons on my Kana v2?
• The shape is really nice, and it feels pretty comfortable for me even though I have small hands-- I wasn't able to reach the Forward mouse button without shifting my hand on the mouse though.
• The scroll wheel isn't that nice in my opinion. I prefer a smoother scroll wheel

I think I'm going to be selling/trading this mouse as it doesn't really work for my hand. I am interested in trying the Logitech G500 next, haha.


Here's a pic of it next to my Zowie FK:

[Novus]

Just plugged this baby in
Quick question.
Does the the left click feel different from the right click?
On my mouse.
The right click is smooth for me like an omron but the left click has this pop, more travel distance and is much louder when I depress it (it's kind of a huano actually).
Is this normal?

[MsYutai]

Just plugged this baby in
Quick question.
Does the the left click feel different from the right click?
On my mouse.
The right click is smooth for me like an omron but the left click has this pop, more travel distance and is much louder when I depress it (it's kind of a huano actually).
Is this normal?

Yeah actually mine feels the same way. Although I would say that the left click is more like a Huano and the right click is like an Omron.
I say this because I think Omrons are a little harder to click at least that's what I noticed when comparing my Zowie FK and my Kana v2.

[Novus]

Just plugged this baby in
Quick question.
Does the the left click feel different from the right click?
On my mouse.
The right click is smooth for me like an omron but the left click has this pop, more travel distance and is much louder when I depress it (it's kind of a huano actually).
Is this normal?

Yeah actually mine feels the same way. Although I would say that the left click is more like a Huano and the right click is like an Omron.
I say this because I think Omrons are a little harder to click at least that's what I noticed when comparing my Zowie FK and my Kana v2.

Isn't that what I said?
Lol 

I'm not used to the different right and left clicks.
I'm loving this thumb rest though.

[nobee]

Arrgghh so tempted to get the one on Massdrop right now.

[lunr]

I wish they do a three side buttons instead of two. I would buy it instantly to replace my G700.

[MsYutai]

I wish they do a three side buttons instead of two. I would buy it instantly to replace my G700.

Indeed it seems most mice only come with 2 side buttons. In this case you could remap the DPI switch button, but that's not in an ideal location.

[Novus]

Ugh.
I've got a squeaky scroll wheel sometimes when i move this mouse too fast.
Really terrible 

[nobee]

I just got the Mionix Avior 7000 which is supposed to be the "smaller" ambidextrous version of the NAOS 7000 and it was still slightly big for my tiny girly hands. I was first torn between this and the Avior because I really liked the feel of the Logitech Performance MX and the NAOS shape was similar to the MX, but now I'm glad I didn't get the NAOS because I think it would've been HUGE for my small hands.

[MsYutai]

I just got the Mionix Avior 7000 which is supposed to be the "smaller" ambidextrous version of the NAOS 7000 and it was still slightly big for my tiny girly hands. I was first torn between this and the Avior because I really liked the feel of the Logitech Performance MX and the NAOS shape was similar to the MX, but now I'm glad I didn't get the NAOS because I think it would've been HUGE for my small hands.

Definitely. I also have small hands and the Naos was just slightly too large in that I couldn't reach the forward side button.

I like the Roccat Kone Pure if you want something that's good for palm gripping and still ergonomically shaped.

[nobee]

I just got the Mionix Avior 7000 which is supposed to be the "smaller" ambidextrous version of the NAOS 7000 and it was still slightly big for my tiny girly hands. I was first torn between this and the Avior because I really liked the feel of the Logitech Performance MX and the NAOS shape was similar to the MX, but now I'm glad I didn't get the NAOS because I think it would've been HUGE for my small hands.

Definitely. I also have small hands and the Naos was just slightly too large in that I couldn't reach the forward side button.

I like the Roccat Kone Pure if you want something that's good for palm gripping and still ergonomically shaped.

Yeah, even the Avior 7000 is a tad too big for palm gripping (for small hands). It's perfect for somebody with larger hands though. Even average-size is fine for palm gripping with the Avior. I just have really, really, really tiny hands! To give you a reference, my ring size is 3 3/4! 

[MsYutai]

I just got the Mionix Avior 7000 which is supposed to be the "smaller" ambidextrous version of the NAOS 7000 and it was still slightly big for my tiny girly hands. I was first torn between this and the Avior because I really liked the feel of the Logitech Performance MX and the NAOS shape was similar to the MX, but now I'm glad I didn't get the NAOS because I think it would've been HUGE for my small hands.

Definitely. I also have small hands and the Naos was just slightly too large in that I couldn't reach the forward side button.

I like the Roccat Kone Pure if you want something that's good for palm gripping and still ergonomically shaped.

Yeah, even the Avior 7000 is a tad too big for palm gripping (for small hands). It's perfect for somebody with larger hands though. Even average-size is fine for palm gripping with the Avior. I just have really, really, really tiny hands! To give you a reference, my ring size is 3 3/4! 

Oh wow yeah that is small!! My ring size is 7.

Have you tried the Cooler Master Spawn mouse? I found it too small for me using a palm grip-- can get it for $15 on sale

[nobee]

I just got the Mionix Avior 7000 which is supposed to be the "smaller" ambidextrous version of the NAOS 7000 and it was still slightly big for my tiny girly hands. I was first torn between this and the Avior because I really liked the feel of the Logitech Performance MX and the NAOS shape was similar to the MX, but now I'm glad I didn't get the NAOS because I think it would've been HUGE for my small hands.

Definitely. I also have small hands and the Naos was just slightly too large in that I couldn't reach the forward side button.

I like the Roccat Kone Pure if you want something that's good for palm gripping and still ergonomically shaped.

Yeah, even the Avior 7000 is a tad too big for palm gripping (for small hands). It's perfect for somebody with larger hands though. Even average-size is fine for palm gripping with the Avior. I just have really, really, really tiny hands! To give you a reference, my ring size is 3 3/4! 

Oh wow yeah that is small!! My ring size is 7.

Have you tried the Cooler Master Spawn mouse? I found it too small for me using a palm grip-- can get it for $15 on sale

Nope, haven't tried that one. I might take your suggestion and look at the Roccat Kone Pure though. It looks like a really nice mouse.

[iLLucionist]

Does it have a memory to store settings on? Alas, as a mac user, i would have to use windows in a vm or bootcamp to set settings. So would it be usable on OS X without the software?

Also, how's that scroll wheel in terms of squeek etc.?

[JackCY]

Does it have a memory to store settings on? Alas, as a mac user, i would have to use windows in a vm or bootcamp to set settings. So would it be usable on OS X without the software?

Also, how's that scroll wheel in terms of squeek etc.?

Mine had memory, I uninstalled the software, settings were kept.
Scroll wheel was good I liked it, nice and sharp. Not muddy like Zowie.
Well defined steps, good click, good size.

Just plugged this baby in
Quick question.
Does the the left click feel different from the right click?
On my mouse.
The right click is smooth for me like an omron but the left click has this pop, more travel distance and is much louder when I depress it (it's kind of a huano actually).
Is this normal?

Yes first thing I also noticed, the buttons all feel different.
As you said, right is kind of good, left sucks, long travel, loud, it is because they made a cut up top between the buttons and the left one has too free and not down to the button enough.
Left one is crazy loud.

Soft coating is soft and wears off like no time, don't scratch it, it is very easy.

Side buttons had good travel distance but again, different feel.

[iLLucionist]

So.. how is the construction of the body? Do more of you notice that the soft surface wears of quickly? And what about those left / right buttons? Do you like 'em or hate 'em?

[JackCY]

So.. how is the construction of the body? Do more of you notice that the soft surface wears of quickly? And what about those left / right buttons? Do you like 'em or hate 'em?

I think that if you claw it with a nail or wear a ring, it will scratch off the soft coating easily. I think I may have scratched it a bit when measuring it :/
Left/right buttons? Side buttons were fine by me, nice placement, good short travel, nothing to complain about.

It's just made for average hands, hence I am returning it, going into post tomorrow. Would not recommend for large hands unless you have a lot of meat on them. This ergonomic shape has to fit your hand, if it doesn't it's a no go, you can't just place fingers elsewhere easily.

[samuelspark]

Just got this mouse today. Love it. Doesn't track that well on some surfaces though and its S.Q.A.T proclaimed my wrist rest to be my best mouse pad over my QCK and several other generic mouse pads.

[iLLucionist]

Hmm... I'm hesitating between the Naos 7000 and the Avior 7000. Those gliding pads on the Avior seem way better.. I'm also not sure about which grip I prefer. Pff. Have to order them both I guess

[Elrick]

Have to order them both I guess

Nothing wrong with that at all  .  Always get every model a company makes before you find the right mouse for your grip, then sell the rest off in the classifieds if you like.

[iLLucionist]

Have to order them both I guess

Nothing wrong with that at all  .  Always get every model a company makes before you find the right mouse for your grip, then sell the rest off in the classifieds if you like.

Thanks, good idea. Awesome idea, in fact.

[JackCY]

Just got this mouse today. Love it. Doesn't track that well on some surfaces though and its S.Q.A.T proclaimed my wrist rest to be my best mouse pad over my QCK and several other generic mouse pads.

True. The Naos 7000 I had here had big issues with surfaces, I hope the FK1 that I may get won't have these with the same sensor.
It was kind of random too, maybe related to the software that helped to remove it or the firmware is moody.

I have a brand new Roccat Taito and in normal position it would track fine, if I rotate the mouse 90 degrees left it would sometimes track sometimes not, if I rotate it 90 degrees right it would often not track and just jump around and barely move. Rotated 180 degrees was fine again. I uninstalled the software and then the problems returned I think. The soft. rated the new pad at 80%. Old QCK rated 50% and it would not track on it almost under any circumstance, ridiculous, my nearly decade old IME3.0 tracks on it no problem at all. Also won't track on white paper and so on. I think the IR-LED is shining too strong and it blinds the sensor. You may have issues with light colored surfaces or reflective surfaces.
It was disappointing in these terms for what the mouse costs.

IME3.0 also tracks on skin, Naos 7000 wouldn't. I think they should add a led power adjustment or make the surface thingy actually calibrate the mouse for the surface you use.

[iLLucionist]

Just got this mouse today. Love it. Doesn't track that well on some surfaces though and its S.Q.A.T proclaimed my wrist rest to be my best mouse pad over my QCK and several other generic mouse pads.

True. The Naos 7000 I had here had big issues with surfaces, I hope the FK1 that I may get won't have these with the same sensor.
It was kind of random too, maybe related to the software that helped to remove it or the firmware is moody.

I have a brand new Roccat Taito and in normal position it would track fine, if I rotate the mouse 90 degrees left it would sometimes track sometimes not, if I rotate it 90 degrees right it would often not track and just jump around and barely move. Rotated 180 degrees was fine again. I uninstalled the software and then the problems returned I think. The soft. rated the new pad at 80%. Old QCK rated 50% and it would not track on it almost under any circumstance, ridiculous, my nearly decade old IME3.0 tracks on it no problem at all. Also won't track on white paper and so on. I think the IR-LED is shining too strong and it blinds the sensor. You may have issues with light colored surfaces or reflective surfaces.
It was disappointing in these terms for what the mouse costs.

IME3.0 also tracks on skin, Naos 7000 wouldn't. I think they should add a led power adjustment or make the surface thingy actually calibrate the mouse for the surface you use.

So, in that sense, the SQAT helps Mionix argue that it's not the mouse, but it's your surface. The mouse is fine, you need a surface with better ratings

[Elrick]

Has anyone seen this one yet;

http://mionix.net/sk-by-mionix/avior-sk/

Looks neat so I happened to have purchased it just now and will look forward to seeing if it's better than a Naos.

Never bought an Avior before so it will determine whether it will get used or tossed into the bottom drawer of my desk.  Hope it's better in some respects to other wmo wannabes.

[JackCY]

So, in that sense, the SQAT helps Mionix argue that it's not the mouse, but it's your surface. The mouse is fine, you need a surface with better ratings

No Mionix has to fix their firmware or even hardware.

[iLLucionist]

Hmm... hope mine is ok... just ordered the Avior 7000. But will use it on a mousepad.

[Kraksx]

I'm looking at getting this mouse and a large mouse pad. Probably going to pull the trigger today

[iLLucionist]

I'm looking at getting this mouse and a large mouse pad. Probably going to pull the trigger today

I bought a roccat hiro in the hope it will not fray and it will feel awesome. It does! But my Avior is not here yet... using it with my g400s now (works perfect)

[D01]

This is my favorite mouse to date.  I've used both the Naos 7000 and the Avior 7000, greatly prefer the Naos.  Love that fully supported palm grip.  The multicolored led whatever and software you don't have to keep running make it just about perfect.

[iLLucionist]

This is my favorite mouse to date.  I've used both the Naos 7000 and the Avior 7000, greatly prefer the Naos.  Love that fully supported palm grip.  The multicolored led whatever and software you don't have to keep running make it just about perfect.

Can you do some sort of claw grip on the Naos? I like palm for relaxed / casual 'mousing', but when I'm designing in illustrator / photoshop or fps I always find myself claw-gripping the mouse.

[D01]

This is my favorite mouse to date.  I've used both the Naos 7000 and the Avior 7000, greatly prefer the Naos.  Love that fully supported palm grip.  The multicolored led whatever and software you don't have to keep running make it just about perfect.

Can you do some sort of claw grip on the Naos? I like palm for relaxed / casual 'mousing', but when I'm designing in illustrator / photoshop or fps I always find myself claw-gripping the mouse.

Idk.  Haven't really tried since I rarely claw grip.  I will try later when I get home though and report back.

Edit:  No....not good for claw.  Feels weird.  Pinky is all stretched out to the right.

[Elrick]

Mionix Avior SK.  http://mionix.net/sk-by-mionix/avior-sk/

Have just received it in it's nice Black & White Graphics Box and plugged it into the PC and had to update the firmware from (original) 1.63 to the current version 2.34 and have used their Avior SK Software Version 1.22 to configure the mouse straight away.

First off I had to disable all the side buttons because I hate them immensely.  I only really wanted to use a WMO style of mouse without side buttons because lets be realistic here, purists have always wanted a real mouse with no side buttons because they're unnecessary.  Also disabling the side buttons means when you accidently press them whilst using the mouse, nothing untoward will occur.

This mouse has that familiar Mionix Coating that means no amount of your bodily fluids will damage the use of this mouse under any extreme conditions.  The buttons are so clean and precise with little effort to actuate them.  Some how Mionix have used switches that are almost purely sublime and extremely quiet when pressed it may be the true Swedish Exactness that places this input device into a realm of it's own perfection  .

I only wished they would pay Logitech to construct a "FREE-SCROLL" wheel into it's housing and literally make it the GREATEST mouse currently made in this world.  Alas dreaming that it will gives me hope that one day it may occur.

I'm not a gamer hence all you will get is the pedestrian version of what it's like to use this mouse and it seems to be near enough to being perfect for everyday use.  The size of it makes it great for me because even though I liked the original WMO it use to give me extreme cramps after using it for more than an hour at a time.   Thus far have been using the SK for more than 4 hours and no hand-cramp whatsoever.

Really liked to use an WMO styled mouse that has finally been designed for NORMAL people to use for a great length of time, the Avior-SK delivers  .

[damorgue]

Some how Mionix have used switches that are almost purely sublime and extremely quiet when pressed it may be the true Swedish Exactness that places this input device into a realm of it's own perfection  .

Universal truth.

[munch]

Some how Mionix have used switches that are almost purely sublime and extremely quiet when pressed it may be the true Swedish Exactness that places this input device into a realm of it's own perfection  .

Universal truth.

Yup. can confirm, also from Sweden.

[Elrick]

Yup. can confirm, also from Sweden.

Well it's got that all too familiar quote here;

Designed and Engineered in Sweden
Assembled in P.R.C. 

Like with everything else in this world, but it definitely feels different/better than most input devices from Logitech and Razer at least.

[Novus]

Mionix still has ****ty quality control though.

[Hypersphere]

@Elrick: I realize this is an old thread, but I have been researching mice and spotted this review.

My situation is that I have been happily using a Razer Deathadder Black Edition for years. It is still going strong, but the contact points on the outer shell have become discolored and rough, and this does not seem to clean up with mild detergent or 70% isopropyl alcohol. In addition, in case the mouse should actually fail, I would want to replace it. Unfortunately, Razer no longer makes the Black Edition. It is still possible to find through third-party vendors on Amazon, but at rather high prices. Consequently, I have been looking at newer models of the DA along with some other brands that have caught my eye.

I was dismayed to see that the new versions of the DA all use those horrible knobbly rubber side-grips that I do not like at all. Apart from that, it might turn out that the new DA models would still be my best bet. However, I am also looking at the following:

+ Mionix Naos 7000

+ Mionix Castor

+ Zowie EC1-A 2016 version

+ Ducky Secret Mouse (PBT!)

I would be interested in impressions of these mice along with any other recommendations.

[Ephemeral]

All I can say is that this baby is a keeper, if you want right hand relaxation.

Relaxation at its best. I used a NAOS 3200 for a long time before upgrading to the NAOS 7000. The way my hand rests on it keeps me coming back for more.

[iLLucionist]

@Elrick: I realize this is an old thread, but I have been researching mice and spotted this review.

My situation is that I have been happily using a Razer Deathadder Black Edition for years. It is still going strong, but the contact points on the outer shell have become discolored and rough, and this does not seem to clean up with mild detergent or 70% isopropyl alcohol. In addition, in case the mouse should actually fail, I would want to replace it. Unfortunately, Razer no longer makes the Black Edition. It is still possible to find through third-party vendors on Amazon, but at rather high prices. Consequently, I have been looking at newer models of the DA along with some other brands that have caught my eye.

I was dismayed to see that the new versions of the DA all use those horrible knobbly rubber side-grips that I do not like at all. Apart from that, it might turn out that the new DA models would still be my best bet. However, I am also looking at the following:

+ Mionix Naos 7000

+ Mionix Castor

+ Zowie EC1-A 2016 version

+ Ducky Secret Mouse (PBT!)

I would be interested in impressions of these mice along with any other recommendations.

I have not yet tried out the Mionix Castor because I think I dislike the shape (I'm addicted to Intellimouse-shapes), but a lot of people really like it on this and other forums (hardforum for example).

Personally, I prefer the Avior 7000: great clicks, great shape and great scroll wheel.

I didn't really like the Naos 7000 because of the shape. The bulge on the right where your pinky + ring finger are supposed to be didn't really work for me. In addition, I felt that my pinky was on the mat all the time, which I didn't really like. But perhaps it would work for you.. I'm more of a relaxed claw grip person than palm grip.

[Hypersphere]

Recently, I've had the opportunity to test many different mice. My evaluations are based mainly on the feel, which includes the size, shape, weight, surface finish, switch placement and actuation, and characteristics of the scroll wheel. I like the wheel to be rubberized, notched, and quiet. I use a palm grip, and I favor a large right-handed wired (corded) mouse with no more than 7-8 buttons. Here are my findings thus far, with my brief assessment and reasons for not selecting the mouse in parentheses:

Corsair M65 RGB (too short and low; distracting sniper button); Mionix Castor (a bit too small); Mionix Naos 7000 (too difficult to pick up easily without changing grip); Razer DA Chroma (noisy scroll wheel); Razer Mamba TE (good overall -- keeping this one); Roccat Kone XTD (excellent except for sticky-feeling light stripes and ostentatious logo); Steelseries Rival 300 (good overall -- keeping this one); Zowie EC1-A (good shape, but don't like the smooth finish).

I would still like to test the Cougar 550m and the forthcoming Gigabyte XM300. In addition, the Logitech G502 keeps getting top marks in reviews, but I have never liked Logitech mice; I am especially not a fan of their scroll wheels. The Logitech wireless mice look the most attractive to me, but I prefer to have a corded mouse.

Although I would prefer to have an optical sensor, this is not a must-have for me

For now, I am reasonably pleased with the Razer Mamba TE (although I would prefer to have an optical sensor, but this is not a must-have for me). I also like the Rival 300 much more than I had expected. I prefer the appearance of the Razer, but the Rival feels better and has more definitive switch clicks.

[nubbinator]

You must play at super low sensitivity if you need to pick up the Naos.  I have it and love it.  I just wis that it was a little bit bigger.

[Vittra]

Naos is absolutely a palm grip mouse for higher CPI. It's horrible to try and pick up if you typically run 800 CPI. Castor is smaller and lighter, and it's ring/pinky humps are far more subtle. Decent for both high and low CPI, depending on your grip, as it's better suited for claw, fingertip, and claw/fingertip hybrid grips.

@Hypersphere - you should take a look at the Avior. It's ambidextrous, and sits between the Castor and Naos in size. Same excellent sensor. I really didn't like the G502 mousewheel, stiff braided cable, and stiff rubberized cable guard, as I mentioned in the other mouse thread.

[deductivemonkee]

I use the naos 7000 as my daily driver, at 7000dpi. I started at 2000dpi and kept making it higher. I might need a naos 10000 soon.... )

[Hypersphere]

@Vittra: Thanks for the tip about the Avior. Until now, I had not seriously considered ambidextrous mice, thinking that they were a compromise that might lose some desirable ergonomic characteristics of a right-handed mouse. I am also not keen on having a redundant set of buttons on the right side of the mouse, but unless they are in the way, I suppose they could be ignored or remapped to additional functions. Looking at the specs, the Avior 7000 might be too small for me. I am currently trying out a Zowie EC1-A and SS Rival 300, which are bigger than the Naos 7000 and feel about right.

[nubbinator]

Just wondering, how do you palm the Naos.  I was responding from my laptop earlier, so I didn't have mine in front of me.  I have a palm grip and have no problem at all picking up the Naos without adjusting my grip.  Even when I claw grip it I can pick it up easily.

[Hypersphere]

@nubbinator: I think I used the same palm grip on the Naos 7000 that I use on any mouse, except that the Naos is better sculpted to accommodate the thumb (1) as well as fingers 4 and 5. However, I found the Naos surface too smooth to enable me to pick up the mouse easily. I have already returned it, so I cannot test it again.

I am warming up to the SS Rival 300. Although I don't like the SS logo, I am now using the Rival as my main mouse at home. I still have the old DA Black Edition at work.

[nubbinator]

Huh, that's weird.  Mine is rubberized and I have no problem lifting it up, even with just a thumb and a finger.

[Vittra]

It's texture is fairly smooth compared to some mice that employ aggressive rubberized sides. Actually, the Castor has a section exactly like that on the left side. It's still a pretty good texture overall for people who have sweaty hands though.

Not sure what resolution you are running at nubbinator, but 2560x1440 @ 800 cpi would force a lot of lifting - use of the Naos like that for about a week (including gaming), and it becomes apparent why it's a poor choice. A lot of the repetitive action issues aren't immediately obvious, it can take 3 - 7 days to really be exacerbated... of course if the mouse is a really bad fit, there will be serious pain (well beyond the discomfort of adjustment) in a few hours.

[nubbinator]

I normally run about 1200-1800 (I forget my settings) at 1440p and drop to 800 for precision.  Not really a problem for me.

[KaminKevCrew]

I normally run about 1200-1800 (I forget my settings) at 1440p and drop to 800 for precision.  Not really a problem for me.

I actually run at 400dpi all the time, and that's on a dual 1080p setup. That being said, I also have a pretty big mouse pad, so there's that...

[slickmamba]

I normally run about 1200-1800 (I forget my settings) at 1440p and drop to 800 for precision.  Not really a problem for me.

Will we be seeing you on csgo again anytime soon? 

Also, calling cptbadass