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I've been waiting for this. Hype!
Damn, there goes my chance to say first.
Loved working on this with you man <3
Traditional Chinese should be the base.
Traditional Chinese should be the base.
I second this. Great set though!
Traditional Chinese should be the base.
I second this. Great set though!
While this has no practical use in typing Chinese...
It's gorgeous, and I need it!
Traditional Chinese should be the base.
I second this. Great set though!
I'm interested (in-laws from Guilin) but also ^
Will be clicking on the IC form!
EDIT: Is there a reason why there are so many 火 keys in the cangjie monolegend kit? I count four...
Yesssssss, it's here at last! Looks great, very excited. I've filled in the form; my main request is either to break the numpad out into a separate kit or include the full numpad in the traditional mods kit. I'd like to be able to build a fully monolegend kit, with monolegend cangjie and monolegend financial numerals on the numpad, using traditional Chinese characters, and it's a shame to have to buy the full base kit with its simplified Chinese mods and sublegend alphas just to get at the seven or so number keys I'd be missing.
EDIT: Is there a reason why there are so many 火 keys in the cangjie monolegend kit? I count four...
Looks like we all rushed in like a bunch of nerds to answer this critical question. ;D
We both put a lot of care into these legends, as you can see!
Nice, definitely in! Been waiting for this since Houhai.
I would like to suggest some white keycaps for esc and enter, since there is white spacebar, I think having some accent colors that pop would be nice.
Great set. I applaud how much time you spent to perfectly represent both traditional and simplified Chinese characters.
One niggling comment about the OP: could you revise the large-font "Coming in winter 2021" at the top? This technically could be Q1 or Q4. I found "Available from these vendors for group buy in Q1 2021, aiming for February" lower down, but was initially confused.
Great set. I applaud how much time you spent to perfectly represent both traditional and simplified Chinese characters.
One niggling comment about the OP: could you revise the large-font "Coming in winter 2021" at the top? This technically could be Q1 or Q4. I found "Available from these vendors for group buy in Q1 2021, aiming for February" lower down, but was initially confused.
Finally <3 This set couldnt be more perfect.
Hey bro.
You already know I love these awesome pieces of plastic.
Post the Mats here, they are literally perfect.
Cheers
Something I have noticed is that the traditional mod still uses 《》, but if I'm not mistaken, I think traditional users (mostly Taiwan HK and Macau) do not use these signs? They are specifically for book or article titles, and in traditional Chinese I think they all use 『』instead. I don't know where these two go on a board (for Japanese they are the same keys as the bracket keys), and it is probably better to check with a traditional Chinese typist, but just thought that might be something to be considered in order to be more functional with the traditional set.
Something I have noticed is that the traditional mod still uses 《》, but if I'm not mistaken, I think traditional users (mostly Taiwan HK and Macau) do not use these signs? They are specifically for book or article titles, and in traditional Chinese I think they all use 『』instead. I don't know where these two go on a board (for Japanese they are the same keys as the bracket keys), and it is probably better to check with a traditional Chinese typist, but just thought that might be something to be considered in order to be more functional with the traditional set.
Thanks for pointing that out, and someone in the IC form also told us so. It's only because I'm ignorant of Traditional Chinese punctuation as I learned in the mainland. It's fortunate because these legends are actually set on different keys, so we will plan to update the legends to include them appropriately, among other kit changes we plan to make after collecting feedback. You're the first person to bring it up on the forum, though, so here's a note to anyone wondering! Yes, we will add 「 」TC quotation marks to the [] keys.
And as far as a RAMA for your surname...if you can get MOQ together for a RAMA order, go for it!
I didn't even know I needed more deskmats..
The deskmat renders look dope! Will the deskmat be available for purchase separately from the keyset?
That's great. I'll def join for the novelties kit & the mat.The deskmat renders look dope! Will the deskmat be available for purchase separately from the keyset?
Absolutely, as always!
Just realized: no 40s/ortho kit? I get it may be tough to make MOQ, just wondering if that's the reason.
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Rafts 钓鱼筏 deskmat: An ink painting of traditional fishing rafts afloat on the Li River beneath the leaning phoenix tail bamboo, emblazoned with the Shanshui logo chop at bottom left. Based on artwork by Baoyan.
Finally a GMK changje input keycap...Hope the base kit include TC instead of SC
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Edit for second inpression(?) of the TC kit
It's a little weird to see SC words straightly convert to TC imo since TC's translation words may be different from SC (e.g. Print Screen is better translate into 截圖/擷圖). It would be better to let TC & SC have its own translated words. AFAIK the translation of ins/del/PgUP/Pgdown/Home/End is both correct in TC or SC, and menu may be better translate into 功能 in TC
btw the 「柳」 problem in numpad happened again lol. 6 should be 「陸」.
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Really cool set! Nice homage, and really like the novelties. However, some of the novelties might need a little refinement(?)
The ISO enter, with the tree/branch almost looked like some sort of creature with horns waving....
I think the rendition/drawing of your idea could be better.
Overall will be following, also glad you cleared up new years day as Jan 1. not sometime in February ;D
One of the many changes we're making based on your IC feedback: BoW accent keys.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698705403827060766/763171009929936926/ShanShui.592.png)
Stay tuned for more.
quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats? Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?
https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450
https://elinali.com/ink-1
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats? Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?
https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450
https://elinali.com/ink-1
So that’s an interesting way to frame a question. I purchased the artwork from them, and I purchased it with an enhanced license that allows commercial reuse and merchandising.
I'm sorry I sounded accusatory. I re-read my post and it sounded pretty bad. But you gave me the answer I wanted to know. You're doing things right :thumb:quick question, are the artists you took the artwork from involved in these deskmats? Are they aware of the changes you've made to their art?
https://www.art.com/products/p48208011469-sa-i10827985/baoyan-chinese-landscape-watercolor-painting.htm?upi=Q1AMEO20&PODConfigID=4986602&sOrigID=965450
https://elinali.com/ink-1
So that’s an interesting way to frame a question. I purchased the artwork from them, and I purchased it with an enhanced license that allows commercial reuse and merchandising.
Out of curiosity, what's the 、-looking legend on the backslash keys for?
Edit: Oh (and I believe I've seen this asked before somewhere in the Houhai thread, but I can't remember the answer), what's the R2 1u Home (行首) key for?
That punctuation mark is the Chinese equivalent of a serial comma. Modern Chinese uses western commas too, but this one is particularly used to separate items or actions in a series.
The R2 home key is total personal preference. Those of us who do a lot of text editing may prefer to have their delete key across from backspace, and their home/end keys on r2 and r3 below it. I tend to use a lot more home/end than pg up/dn, so I have the latter on a layer. 65s are sort of the most common form factor at the moment, and the nav cluster is small so the keys you choose matter most. It’s just an option I don’t see often enough and because I’m the designer and it’s my preference, I’ve included it.
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Finally a GMK changje input keycap...Hope the base kit include TC instead of SC
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Edit for second inpression(?) of the TC kit
It's a little weird to see SC words straightly convert to TC imo since TC's translation words may be different from SC (e.g. Print Screen is better translate into 截圖/擷圖). It would be better to let TC & SC have its own translated words. AFAIK the translation of ins/del/PgUP/Pgdown/Home/End is both correct in TC or SC, and menu may be better translate into 功能 in TC
btw the 「柳」 problem in numpad happened again lol. 6 should be 「陸」.
Thanks friend, we’ll get these legends fixed. If you have any other translation fixes for TC, please share them with me at grundlemere#1126 on Discord and we will run them through a couple of our partners. Want to make sure they are right.
Ugh sorry about the numpad, not sure how that one slipped by us again but you’re the first person to notice it. I even know that character means “willow.” We’ll add both these points to the kit changes for next round.
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!
According to our IC responses and market insights from our partners in Asia, there's strong demand for both, and we expect for there to be strong demand for both in future GBs.
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)
Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)
Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.
I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.
On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!
According to our IC responses and market insights from our partners in Asia, there's strong demand for both, and we expect for there to be strong demand for both in future GBs.
I just asked my GF and she is typing in Pinyin (like myself). She's from Guangdong. There's an even harder version of typing than cangjie which is by strokes instead of radicals. I meanif people are used to write like this okay :D but for me it's hard to think of like writing the word I guess, instead of just typing the pinyin and picking the right word. But it still looks cool :D Can't imagine writing latin letters by strokes xD Then we could make 30% keyboards with all functions I suppose.
Would be curious what the average age is of the people "demanding it". I guess the young are more used to pinyin now due to mobile phones.
Hey dude, both of the deskmats look sooooooo sick! Definitely will get them! 等不及了！
Nice set! Excited to see a full Chinese GMK set. But why bother with just a few Simplified Chinese characters in the base mods, especially if there is going to be a Traditional Chinese mods kit? It's costly and inconsistent.
To get the molds made to add to the GMK library for posterity, mostly, and because SC users outnumber TC users about 25:1.
Right of course. So why not make it SC? Why only a few characters in SC? I am just trying to understand since I don't know how to type in Chinese, not being critical of your design. Thanks!
Those wrist rests are amazing!
damn, those wristrests!
Will there be ebony or other dark wood ones?
The quote 「山水甲天下」 on Karst doesn't really make sense linguistically, I get the inspiration behind it but it would just look like a misquote to a native speaker? Not a complete deal breaker and probably won't matter to the western audience anyway.
Big fan of the Rafts deskmat btw
I can't wait for this groupbuy cause I need some Chinese keycaps for another keyboard and these look great! Saving up for them!
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)
Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.
I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.
On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sJVoQe7.jpeg)
Includes non-traditional spacebars and spacekeys, as well as variant WS1 bars for a distinctive touch.
I'm not sure that the inclusion of white 3u and 2u spacekeys is a necessity. Users would probably get more mileage out of a second black 3u space (for split 3u+3u or 3u+1u+3u setups), and the white 2u space can probably be removed outright seeing as ortho support in base is incomplete, and there is already a black 2u space in the kit.
On a separate note, you can probably remove the second R4 1u Ctrl key and R1 1u Backspace from the base kit.
Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards, only ortho 40%. I believe users (especially in China) would get a lot more mileage out of a R4 1u Shift key, which (together with 2u Shift) is used by the GK64 and similar 60% layouts with arrows, which are very popular in the East.
As for 1u Backspace, not very many boards at all use this size. A notable one is Minila, but this set lacks a couple of keys to be able to support that layout (R4 1.75u Control, R4 1u Shift, among others).
Have you had a chance to take a look at this post?
Looking forward to this set and have been for a minute, I wish the novelties we're a little more inspired tho, and I'd love to know what extent "based on the works of" means in the deskmats.
Nowadays, only HK and TW uses 倉頡, I really don’t understand why TC is not the basic set instead of SC. 倉頡 can only type with TCI can't wait for this groupbuy cause I need some Chinese keycaps for another keyboard and these look great! Saving up for them!
Thank you! Just waiting to hear from GMK on pricing and legends. Really excited to bring this to users in China, HK, TW, and everywhere around the world!
Hey everyone, making great progress on adjusting the legends by hand to meet GMK's specs. Should be done this month to include at least one new board render.
Kits are not likely to change at this point, though we are getting a quote for an alt TC base kit to see how that works out. Explanation is that our main goal here is to get all molds made, and with all the interest in TC, SC might not get made at all. Shanshui is both a labor of love and a means to an end to get GMK Houhai produced, as well as kits planned by four other designers who want to use the Chinese legends.
With regards to BoW, I would like to tentatively plan on that happening for r2 of this set if it's a successful GB, but there are no guarantees of that and it's likely a long way off given that I plan to run at least two more GBs before that happens. It would be a fantastic look for sure.
Hey everyone, making great progress on adjusting the legends by hand to meet GMK's specs. Should be done this month to include at least one new board render.
Kits are not likely to change at this point, though we are getting a quote for an alt TC base kit to see how that works out. Explanation is that our main goal here is to get all molds made, and with all the interest in TC, SC might not get made at all. Shanshui is both a labor of love and a means to an end to get GMK Houhai produced, as well as kits planned by four other designers who want to use the Chinese legends.
With regards to BoW, I would like to tentatively plan on that happening for r2 of this set if it's a successful GB, but there are no guarantees of that and it's likely a long way off given that I plan to run at least two more GBs before that happens. It would be a fantastic look for sure.
Since the cangjie inputting method isn't used in mainland, TC actually makes more sense. But right now some of the modifiers and some legends are mostly using mainland translations, which do not make much sense in TC. Examples being 《》 should probably be omitted as they are not really used in regions that use TC. The enter key should also probably be translated to 輸入 instead, as 回车 isn't really used in TC. Like you said you are not planning to change the kit at this point, which means sticking to SC is probably less headache and more accurate.
If money allows, will 100% get this set. It can literally go with any color keeb
Amazing! Really appreciate the work you put in to make cangjie sublegends a reality, can't wait to get this :)
I do have a question - I noticed that both 陸 and 貳 are in simplified rather than traditional on the numpads for the trad set, was that intentional? It seems a bit out of place to me.
Love this set. Personally I think BoW would sell better, and fit the 山水 title better :))
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABAWhy is the numpad enter different from the alpha’s enter? They should be the same right? Kinda weird if you ask me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png]http://link to full-size image)
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABAWhy is the numpad enter different from the alpha’s enter? They should be the same right? Kinda weird if you ask me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png]http://link to full-size image)
Oh my god, it’s perfect
Definitely in for the deskmat at least..in particular because I need something on my desk that reminds me of The Untamed xDD
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABAShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)
link to full-size image (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)
Couple of fixes to the numpad to ensure correct Traditional Chinese financial characters are used, thanks to ABABAShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)
link to full-size image (https://i.imgur.com/ittJurC.png)
I am checking on this thread and ready for the groupbuy! Really want the traditional set!
I noticed that the 難 alpha in the SC base kit is a TC character of 难, but I am not sure if that is intentionally left in or a mistake. Can you please clarify on that?
On another note, this set is looking great. GLWIC :D
Interesting set. I like. Treeleaf approved
pretty excited for this! Might be my first GMK set :)
pretty excited for this! Might be my first GMK set :)
Might be my last :D
take my money
count me in, this set is flawless from base to rama caps
Really, really excited to add a collab artisan from Bludgeoned Caps during the GB period!Both exciting news.
Even more excited to let you know that the hand adjustments to legends has been approved by GMK and this set is feasible! It took about 150 hours of work but they are beautiful and I can't wait to share renders. Everything is coming together very nicely.
Really, really excited to add a collab artisan from Bludgeoned Caps during the GB period!Both exciting news.
Even more excited to let you know that the hand adjustments to legends has been approved by GMK and this set is feasible! It took about 150 hours of work but they are beautiful and I can't wait to share renders. Everything is coming together very nicely.
Blud Kaps has been putting some fire material out lately. Stoked.