Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 04:55:32
Hey everyone,
I'm very proud to introduce you a new set I've been working for a long time now.
I always had the desire to offer a set that would be suitable for everyone, but beyond that, a set that is suitable for all uses.
My intention here is to offer some dedicated child kits designed for a specific use.
Most of the time, macro-pad (and even ortho) users don't have the possibility to have a well-designed keycaps set for their uses. The goal of this set is to offer a solution to this issue, in a playful way! Same for MOBA/FPS players, music & various content creators… Endless possibilities to highlight the keys they need!
All the icons have been drawn using the same stroke thickness in order to have an overall cohesion.
Font and icons are my own creation though.
I decided to go for a uniform profile since it offers more possibilities on layouts (than a sculpted one), and since KAM allows overall dye-sub and has a nice glossy finish, I thought that'd be the perfect profile to work with.
Samples have been ordered, Keyreative should already be working on them.
Renders
by Oblotzky
(https://i.imgur.com/ULA5POX.jpg)
Campine
(https://i.imgur.com/xYZ1xZ1.jpg)
Campine
(https://i.imgur.com/qJuJT9e.jpg)
Preonic
(https://i.imgur.com/L9G9YQd.jpg)
Preonic
(https://i.imgur.com/9mjurGe.jpg)
Rama M10-A
(https://i.imgur.com/EouSq9J.jpg)
Rama M10-A
(https://i.imgur.com/aZmYBA1.jpg)
Planck
(https://i.imgur.com/jkypH89.jpg)
Planck
(https://i.imgur.com/T45WZWP.jpg)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/yjEs8Yx.jpg)
Rama M65-A
Kits
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Alphas.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Mods.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Stream.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Audio.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Creation.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Gaming.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Office.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Addons.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Equalizers.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Navigation.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Lisa.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Nomad.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Ergo.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Numpad.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Spacebars.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_ISO-UK.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Mono.jpg)
(https://media.biipmk.com/kam_playground/KAM_Playground-Kit_Typist.jpg)
Technical specifications
1.65mm thick PBT keycaps
Overall Dye sublimation
Pantone Colors:
- 2378 C Dark Grey (to be confirmed)
- 656 C White
- 1785 C Red
- 115 C Yellow
- 2267 C Green
- 292 C Blue
- 2655 C Purple
- 210 C Pink
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Massive thanks to Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/6UHnGqR.png) (https://discord.gg/biipmk)
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Post by: samanth on Tue, 08 September 2020, 04:58:50
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Great set nevertheless
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Post by: Kawamashi on Tue, 08 September 2020, 06:53:35
My wallet just commited suicide.
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Post by: Agilr on Tue, 08 September 2020, 06:59:32
Might be a good time to be one... :'(
Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 07:03:00
Is this the same blue as Dots?
Dots is featuring a less purple RAL 280 30 15 while Playground dark grey color reference is 2378 C :thumb:
Post by: baysic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 07:05:40
still missing 2.25Us and spacebar to populate a full board with only childs kits combined. :P
Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 08 September 2020, 07:09:05
Post by: Ponizu on Tue, 08 September 2020, 07:10:12
Im in.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 08 September 2020, 07:10:49
Pfiou…
My wallet just commited suicide.
It's not GMK. You should be alright.
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Post by: retainerbox on Tue, 08 September 2020, 08:12:33
Posted on the Discord, but my personal greedy wish would be for a solid & outline arrow (InDesign) and a paint bucket.
Post by: Hell-es on Tue, 08 September 2020, 08:29:39
Now i have to do comparison to check what is in overlapping in kit - you should offer a big - all in one symbols - kit for the people that want it all ;)
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 08 September 2020, 08:32:56
Can we get a Homing Kit for us non-QWERTY folks? KAM Superuser has a great one.
Post by: baysic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 08:33:49
Very nice :thumb:
Now i have to do comparison to check what is in overlapping in kit - you should offer a big - all in one symbols - kit for the people that want it all ;)
I dig your idea!!
Post by: timescam on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:13:20
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Post by: ILikeShorts on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:19:17
Additionally, how do you feel about adding a mono legends kit for the special characters, numbers, and shifted characters? Re-reading the description has got all the hairs on my arms standing on end. These feel like the kits that would help me get the legends that I desire on my keyboards.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:23:38
Can we get a Homing Kit for us non-QWERTY folks? KAM Superuser has a great one.
Seems to me that one has homing keys not used in any layout at all. Specifically I and S.
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:24:47
S can be used for gamers to orient to WASD quickly. But I'll admit I don't know what I is for.Can we get a Homing Kit for us non-QWERTY folks? KAM Superuser has a great one.
Seems to me that one has homing keys not used in any layout at all. Specifically I and S.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:27:07
S can be used for gamers to orient to WASD quickly. But I'll admit I don't know what I is for.Can we get a Homing Kit for us non-QWERTY folks? KAM Superuser has a great one.
Seems to me that one has homing keys not used in any layout at all. Specifically I and S.
I actually proposed that in the Discord for the gaming kit. If that's the goal, that's fine then. Just trying to prevent redundant keys from entering these kits and making them more of a reach to get implemented.
Post by: macomac on Tue, 08 September 2020, 09:35:01
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Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:12:03
Oh man freaking awesome do we have confirmation it's going to be slick glossy PBT KAM (a la KAM Starry Night) and not matte PBT KAM (a la KAM Wraith)?
I plan to order samples for both finishes.
I initially thought about going for glossy finish tho since it'd look more classy and modern (IMO) :thumb:
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:26:48
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
But given that Home/End are provided, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete instead?
Post by: Kerasan on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:27:49
Oh man freaking awesome do we have confirmation it's going to be slick glossy PBT KAM (a la KAM Starry Night) and not matte PBT KAM (a la KAM Wraith)?
I plan to order samples for both finishes.
I initially thought about going for glossy finish tho since it'd look more classy and modern (IMO) :thumb:
Yes please biip, i love it
Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:31:45
Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?
(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:36:54
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:39:32
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Then they'd look like 1u Tab and 1u Backspace :))
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:40:16
One kit, 10 keys, just 0-9. I'd buy a dozen myself.
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:50:36
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Then they'd look like 1u Tab and 1u Backspace :))
What about turning the PgUp/PgDn keys ninety degrees?
Post by: biip on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:54:43
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Then they'd look like 1u Tab and 1u Backspace :))
What about turning the PgUp/PgDn keys ninety degrees?
I don't think that'd be intuitive to be honest.
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:59:57
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Then they'd look like 1u Tab and 1u Backspace :))
What about turning the PgUp/PgDn keys ninety degrees?
I don't think that'd be intuitive to be honest.
Really? I guess I don't consider Home/End an up/down thing since the actual operation that occurs with that keystroke is to push the cursor to the leftmost (start) or rightmost (end) character within the line.
Post by: baysic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:07:46
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Post by: SirTimmyTimbit on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:14:38
+1 for matte
Would you be interested in adding an accent kit with a few reverse colored mods? Or some novelty designs for enter / shift?
Post by: Daneel_ on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:16:09
I would love to see a set of mods with coloured legends instead of the current white-only option. +1 for matte, and +1 for a few more 1.25u options as well
My gut is saying I want a terminal set as well, however I can't think of many good legends beyond terminal prompts. I use a very similar colour scheme in my terminal to this set's colours, so perhaps I'm just struck by the familiarity.
Post by: tobold on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:34:53
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Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:44:03
The only 40% layouts that uses a 1.75u require two of them, not one (JD45/50, prime_L). Because of this, I recommend adding a second 1.75u spacebar to the 40s kit or removing the one. I realize there is another 1.75u spacebar offered in the spacebars kit, but that's an entire kit that would need to be purchased for the one spacebar. On a 40% no less.
Big fan of the custom font and dots! I hope to see an all dots kit offered!
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 08 September 2020, 11:56:24
I totally missed the difference between raise/lower and home/end. Thanks!Ergo kit has duplicate 1u PgUp/PgDn keys.Maybe swap one set for Home/End instead?
Just realizing you're using stroked up/down to represent Home/End. Which is a little odd, since Home/End is more of a left/right thing.
So given that, maybe swap out the redundant 1u PgUp/PgDn with Insert and Delete?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YXb538M.png)
Though shouldn't home/end really be left and right?
Then they'd look like 1u Tab and 1u Backspace :))
What about turning the PgUp/PgDn keys ninety degrees?
I don't think that'd be intuitive to be honest.
Really? I guess I don't consider Home/End an up/down thing since the actual operation that occurs with that keystroke is to push the cursor to the leftmost (start) or rightmost (end) character within the line.
Consider doing Home, End, PgUp, PgDn like this (ignore the Insert, Delete icons on the left):
(https://i.imgur.com/ZwxfnO0.png)
This style for Home encompasses both operations that the key performs: moving the cursor to the start of the line (left) in editable text, as well as jumping to the beginning of the document (up) when the text isn't editable or when Ctrl+Home is pressed. Similarly for End.
These icons also resemble the standard Home, End symbols as defined by ISO 9995-7 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:ISO_9995-7_symbols), which are: ⇱ ⇲.
Post by: preets on Tue, 08 September 2020, 12:00:11
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 08 September 2020, 12:02:20
One point of feedback I have;
The only 40% layouts that uses a 1.75u require two of them, not one (JD45/50, prime_L). Because of this, I recommend adding a second 1.75u spacebar to the 40s kit or removing the one. I realize there is another 1.75u spacebar offered in the spacebars kit, but that's an entire kit that would need to be purchased for the one spacebar. On a 40% no less.
Big fan of the custom font and dots! I hope to see an all dots kit offered!
I would actually recommend keeping a single 1.75u space and adding a 1.75u Lock key instead. This key needs to be added for Minivan, Dimple and Minila support anyway, and since this set uses the same color for alphas and mods, the 1.75u Lock key can be used as a second spacebar on the keyboards you listed.
I'm going to go through the kits and review them in more detail a bit later, but for now this is the feedback I have for the Nomad kit.
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 08 September 2020, 12:19:49
One point of feedback I have;
The only 40% layouts that uses a 1.75u require two of them, not one (JD45/50, prime_L). Because of this, I recommend adding a second 1.75u spacebar to the 40s kit or removing the one. I realize there is another 1.75u spacebar offered in the spacebars kit, but that's an entire kit that would need to be purchased for the one spacebar. On a 40% no less.
Big fan of the custom font and dots! I hope to see an all dots kit offered!
I would actually recommend keeping a single 1.75u space and adding a 1.75u Lock key instead. This key needs to be added for Minivan, Dimple and Minila support anyway, and since this set uses the same color for alphas and mods, the 1.75u Lock key can be used as a second spacebar on the keyboards you listed.
I'm going to go through the kits and review them in more detail a bit later, but for now this is the feedback I have for the Nomad kit.
That's an even better idea and I agree!
Post by: zoo on Tue, 08 September 2020, 12:27:13
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 13:55:17
How many kits needed to make the first Campine pictured? Looks like I would need audio + equalizers.
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 08 September 2020, 14:08:25
Good thing is that this set is KAM so every set is going to get made.
Bad thing is that this is KAM so I'm going to have to buy all the sets.
Post by: smithbob on Tue, 08 September 2020, 14:21:19
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 08 September 2020, 14:29:01
glossy please. this way when the pbt does get shinny it is shinny all over and doesn't look like ****.
I'm surprised you've managed to shine up a PBT set.
That's one of the whole reasons I like PBT to begin with, it doesn't shine as easily as ABS. 5 years so far on an OEM profile PBT set as my daily and it's still as clean as ever. Matte ABS though? No thanks. I bought the Susuwatari from Drop and I've already got my spacebar glistening.
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 08 September 2020, 14:52:40
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Post by: jimboytacos on Tue, 08 September 2020, 16:02:02
I literally bought all of Wraith kits, cuz damn, good work.
But seriously, I need this too. :(
Rip wallet.
And can you add another 1.5U key for ergodox. Control key.
Post by: bomberstudios on Tue, 08 September 2020, 17:39:01
I want ALL OF THEM, take my money right now.
Now, if you could make a Dots-only kit for us Planck users, so we don’t have to get 8 Addons kits to fill our boards with dots...
Otherwise this is going to be a pretty expensive GB for me 😅
Post by: curious-otter on Tue, 08 September 2020, 18:10:11
Post by: Horgix on Tue, 08 September 2020, 18:24:27
A couple notes/suggestions:
- A couple of macropad recently started including ISO Enter in their small "layout". Would be cool if a couple of novelties icon kits got an ISO Enter key for them :) Even if they're kinda generic.
- More 2.25/2.75u keys in sets please? :D
- +1 for matte ;)
Post by: hhs on Tue, 08 September 2020, 18:35:57
The things I had in mind for the moment are: an instrument of some kind (violin/guitar maybe), a clef (treble or bass), a time signature, a sharp, a flat, and a natural. Also somewhat subjective, but IMO a quarter rest would be more distinctive than the eighth rest. Most everything else that is notation-specific (slurs, key signatures, crescendos, trills, repeats, what have you) can be pretty well approximated with what's there already, which is great.
Post by: Owl on Tue, 08 September 2020, 19:26:08
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Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 08 September 2020, 21:23:02
I am really torn with this set and kam_superuser. This is going to be a tuff decision.
Both. Definitely both. And mix n match too. :cool:
Post by: preets on Tue, 08 September 2020, 22:59:27
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Post by: biip on Wed, 09 September 2020, 10:24:30
Will there be a Canadian vendor? Plenty of time to start planning that, I think.
Yup :thumb:
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 09 September 2020, 12:18:23
Another winner of a design. :thumb:
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Post by: tectonicplate on Thu, 10 September 2020, 00:26:46
+1 for glossy
There is a typo in the Spacebar kit, are we getting (2) 1u keys or (1) 1u & (1) 1.25u?
Post by: geekit on Thu, 10 September 2020, 01:47:08
If yes then we can mix & match. The novelties look great!
Post by: biip on Thu, 10 September 2020, 02:30:58
Is base color the same with KAM Wraith?
Wraith is 5405 C
Playground is 2378 C
Post by: NorthTidal on Thu, 10 September 2020, 11:40:01
Edit: OK, maybe not all the mods but still. ^-^
Post by: wynects on Thu, 10 September 2020, 13:57:51
Post by: holtenc on Thu, 10 September 2020, 14:00:44
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 10 September 2020, 21:42:18
I thought I would join some others in requesting a small homing kit for the alt layout crowd:
(https://i.postimg.cc/rqKrkcdH/Homing-Kit200910.png)
Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.
More
X - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
Edit: saw others have already requested a homing kit.
Post by: mr1sunshine on Fri, 11 September 2020, 02:13:24
BTW, I might mislooked but any pricing and estimated timings for GB to begin?
Post by: biip on Fri, 11 September 2020, 03:11:18
Looks like another winner!
I thought I would join some others in requesting a small homing kit for the alt layout crowd:Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/rqKrkcdH/Homing-Kit200910.png)
Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.MoreX - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
Edit: saw others have already requested a homing kit.
Thanks for your suggestion.
Will definitely work on that :thumb:
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 11 September 2020, 03:13:26
Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.
X - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
This trend worries me.
The argument for second B is for typists on Alice layouts who type "incorrect" and also don't know how to customize their layout.
I'd say anyone who would switch to an alternative layouts would also take the time to type each key with the correct finger, or at least choose one side. Additionally, since the default layout is usually QWERTY, they probably also know how to put the key in that position key in whichever place they want it.
The beauty of this kit is that there's so many novelties and macro keys that you could literally put any on the spot which you are not using to type B.
I will absolutely concede this point to anyone who uses an optimized typing layout and still would like to have this key for both index fingers. For the time being, I'd say the whole extra B key is a bad trend and we shouldn't compound it.
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 11 September 2020, 10:15:13
+1. I don't own an Alice, so chafes me that I have a gazillion extra B keys sitting around while also being told "you use a weird layout (Colemak), which I'm not supporting" by many designers. I don't want to see even more useless keys added to cater to the Alice crowd (Sorry not sorry).Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.
X - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
This trend worries me.
The argument for second B is for typists on Alice layouts who type "incorrect" and also don't know how to customize their layout.
I don't have TAB or ESC in R3, so I use a novelty for R3; Alice users that use non QWERTY layouts can use a novelty for their not-a-B key.
Post by: phxrbn on Fri, 11 September 2020, 12:20:57
Post by: JonoColwell on Sat, 12 September 2020, 03:36:46
+1. I don't own an Alice, so chafes me that I have a gazillion extra B keys sitting around while also being told "you use a weird layout (Colemak), which I'm not supporting" by many designers. I don't want to see even more useless keys added to cater to the Alice crowd (Sorry not sorry).Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.
X - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
This trend worries me.
The argument for second B is for typists on Alice layouts who type "incorrect" and also don't know how to customize their layout.
I don't have TAB or ESC in R3, so I use a novelty for R3; Alice users that use non QWERTY layouts can use a novelty for their not-a-B key.
In sculpted sets it's one additional B for alice and a whole load of additional keys for colemak though
With non sculpted it's pretty easy though
Post by: harlekein on Sat, 12 September 2020, 07:35:04
+1. I don't own an Alice, so chafes me that I have a gazillion extra B keys sitting around while also being told "you use a weird layout (Colemak), which I'm not supporting" by many designers. I don't want to see even more useless keys added to cater to the Alice crowd (Sorry not sorry).Also, adding non-homing X, V, and J would serve the same purpose as the additional B in the Spacebars kit.
X - for Dvorak
V - for Colemak DH, Colemak DHm, and Workman
J - for QGMLWY
B remains in the QWERTY location for Colemak, Norman, and QWPR.
This trend worries me.
The argument for second B is for typists on Alice layouts who type "incorrect" and also don't know how to customize their layout.
I don't have TAB or ESC in R3, so I use a novelty for R3; Alice users that use non QWERTY layouts can use a novelty for their not-a-B key.
In sculpted sets it's one additional B for alice and a whole load of additional keys for colemak though
With non sculpted it's pretty easy though
No, it's the same amount of additional keys for extra B/not-B. Sculpted or uniform makes no difference.
Post by: Pylon on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:37:25
Post by: MIXO Cables on Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:12:47
Post by: pandaman97 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 02:59:44
Post by: biip on Wed, 16 September 2020, 04:38:20
Can you made alpha kit be more special? Like KAT Milkshake or enjoy pbt cool kids or maybe japanese.
No.
Post by: Kawamashi on Wed, 16 September 2020, 06:59:49
No.
You're violating Zambumon's IP.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 16 September 2020, 07:02:46
You're violating Zambumon's IP.
lmao what
Post by: ssdt on Wed, 16 September 2020, 07:02:56
You're violating Zambumon's IP.In terms of what exactly?
Post by: Kawamashi on Wed, 16 September 2020, 10:13:18
I edited my previous message not to confuse anybody else.
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:24:19
Can you made alpha kit be more special? Like KAT Milkshake or enjoy pbt cool kids or maybe japanese.
No.
You're violating Zambumon's IP.
lmao what
You're violating Zambumon's IP.In terms of what exactly?
The joke is that someone will ask Zambumon something and Z will often simply respond with "No" with no further explanation or justification. K wasn't saying KAM Playground itself is violating Z's IP.
Post by: Kawamashi on Wed, 16 September 2020, 13:03:11
Post by: Mistah on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:45:40
Post by: soombody on Sat, 26 September 2020, 13:33:53
Post by: paperassgasket on Sat, 26 September 2020, 13:47:22
Post by: kapowaz on Sat, 26 September 2020, 17:54:14
I don’t know if it’s too late to incorporate into this release, but I’d love to see the range of gaming icons expanded upon, perhaps with additional thematic sets in future? I’m thinking a variety of different symbols representing different types of weapon (shield, axe, bow and arrow, dagger etc.) as well as different ‘sci-fi’ weapons, to make it possible to tailor a keyset to specific games.
Anyway, can’t wait to see this one released!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 26 September 2020, 22:57:19
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Post by: metakirby5 on Sun, 27 September 2020, 05:04:52
In for stream, addons, and probably more!
Post by: harlekein on Sun, 27 September 2020, 06:53:34
This set and the typeface you’ve custom designed for it are just beautiful. I can see me wanting to get almost all the various sets. Bravo!
I don’t know if it’s too late to incorporate into this release, but I’d love to see the range of gaming icons expanded upon, perhaps with additional thematic sets in future? I’m thinking a variety of different symbols representing different types of weapon (shield, axe, bow and arrow, dagger etc.) as well as different ‘sci-fi’ weapons, to make it possible to tailor a keyset to specific games.
Anyway, can’t wait to see this one released!
I really like this idea.
Post by: Lysol_ on Sun, 27 September 2020, 07:08:02
Post by: biip on Mon, 28 September 2020, 03:23:47
This set and the typeface you’ve custom designed for it are just beautiful. I can see me wanting to get almost all the various sets. Bravo!
I don’t know if it’s too late to incorporate into this release, but I’d love to see the range of gaming icons expanded upon, perhaps with additional thematic sets in future? I’m thinking a variety of different symbols representing different types of weapon (shield, axe, bow and arrow, dagger etc.) as well as different ‘sci-fi’ weapons, to make it possible to tailor a keyset to specific games.
Anyway, can’t wait to see this one released!
I like that suggestion. I'm currently working on other projects which will be in group buy phase before that one (since I'm actually waiting for a prototype being made [this week]).
I already planned to make a massive update with some nice additions :thumb:
As usual, I keep you posted :D
Post by: peachie on Thu, 01 October 2020, 08:55:35
GB just cannot come soon enough >:0
Post by: Grog on Thu, 01 October 2020, 09:06:16
I NEED this for my humble little macro pad I use while drawing digital art, wow.
GB just cannot come soon enough >:0
Same here. It is going straight onto my gherkin for a variety of tasks.
Post by: biip on Thu, 01 October 2020, 09:08:33
I NEED this for my humble little macro pad I use while drawing digital art, wow.
GB just cannot come soon enough >:0
Same here. It is going straight onto my gherkin for a variety of tasks.
First things first.
Currently waiting for samples to be done :thumb:
But expect a potential group buy on Q1-Q2 2021.
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 01 October 2020, 09:24:21
Post by: pRoDeeD on Thu, 01 October 2020, 10:35:59
Post by: Argan12345 on Thu, 01 October 2020, 15:54:12
Post by: biip on Fri, 02 October 2020, 06:37:15
Please confirm slick KAM and not matte!!!
The ordered prototype will feature shinny (default) finish.
:thumb:
but nothing is written in stone yet
Post by: pluskid on Mon, 05 October 2020, 19:04:45
Post by: baobaozi on Thu, 08 October 2020, 00:30:29
Post by: oziii on Thu, 08 October 2020, 19:17:50
Post by: Narf on Tue, 13 October 2020, 01:10:26
Ergo
NoPunIn10Did has a great guide for kitting Ergo on KAT (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105714.0). I have also surveyed over 140 ergo users for keymapping preferences (I plan to post the result eventually when I clean up stuff graphically. I am happy to share the data with you directly though). I think the Ergo kit is already pretty good especially considering KAM has greater compatibility due to being uniform profile. I know you probably don’t want to add too many extra keys to the kits and drive up the price, but I would recommend adding the following 1.5u keys (roughly in order of importance):
- Quote/Apostrophe (Most commonly used on right hand home row)
- Vertical Brace/Brackets (Most common after layer/function for vertical keys.)
- Another Control, and Alt, or the three stacked line (Layer?) key for boards that have 1.5u on bottom row.
- Minus/Underscore (Very common on top right of right hand)
- Grave (`~) (Somewhat common replacement for Escape in top left of left hand)
- Equals/Plus (Somewhat common as one of the top corner mods)
Also, it looks like the layouts pictures in the Boardwalk renders would not actually be possible as those cool audio meter level keys in the Equalizer kit picture are 2u, not 1.5u. It would be cool to see those in 1.5u too.
It would also be pretty nice if you included three 1.25u keys (most likely Control, GUI, and Alt/Layer/another Control) for The Boardwalk 65% layout with 6.25u spacebar and arrow cluster.
Spacebars
Thank you for including two 2u spacebars in the Spacebars kit and the Nomad kit. Many designers only include one 2u or one of each color and people have to buy additional kits just for another 2u spacebar. (I don't understand why, considering how common 2u x2 spacebar layouts are in ortho boards.) Also, I am assuming the “1.25” label on the second 1u spacekey is supposed to read “1.00”? Or is there one 1u and one 1.25u? (I hope it is two 1u keys.) It would also be nice to be able to get a 7u spacebar without buying the modifier kit. I don't know if adding it to the Alphas kit would make pricing difficult, but I seem to me that most people would buy Alphas + Modifiers, Nomad, or Ergo. Nomad users might not benefit from getting a 7u in the Alphas, but it would make no difference to regular Modifier user and it would benefit Boardwalk users for the Ergo kit.
Icon Designs for Tab, Backspace, Delete
In the current design the Tab and Backspace icons are basically mirrors, which doesn’t really make sense since they do completely different and unrelated things. The delete key is just an “x”, which I think is ok, but I always sort of think of Delete as the mirror of Backspace. My suggestions would be to remove the vertical line before the Backspace arrow and instead put an “x” or dash or something through the line (<-x-) and then make the Delete key the mirror of that. I tried to draw what I am talking about below. Alternatively you could use the Tab icon with the two arrows and use the current Tab icon for Delete. It might also be fun to include a 1u Trash icon in the Office kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/jPzXOng.png)
Post by: makenova on Thu, 15 October 2020, 23:22:09
Post by: prangano on Fri, 16 October 2020, 03:48:30
Post by: blaqbern on Fri, 16 October 2020, 14:17:52
Any chance for debugging icons? Next, step in, step out, that sort of thing.Nice idea! I love that!
Post by: biip on Mon, 19 October 2020, 03:29:34
Any chance for debugging icons? Next, step in, step out, that sort of thing.Nice idea! I love that!
I like that idea as well :thumb:
Post by: psxndc on Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:04:07
Biip, did you decide on if you're adding a homing kit?Any chance for debugging icons? Next, step in, step out, that sort of thing.Nice idea! I love that!
I like that idea as well :thumb:
Post by: sevenseacat on Tue, 20 October 2020, 04:22:22
Post by: biip on Tue, 20 October 2020, 04:28:27
Biip, did you decide on if you're adding a homing kit?Any chance for debugging icons? Next, step in, step out, that sort of thing.Nice idea! I love that!
I like that idea as well :thumb:
Yup, I'll do it.
I'm actually waiting for the samples that's why the project is kinda on hold :thumb:
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 20 October 2020, 10:38:39
Post by: xwind on Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:12:26
Post by: fluxlab on Tue, 20 October 2020, 12:33:11
Post by: hkhawk on Tue, 20 October 2020, 13:05:07
Is there any chance of text mods?
I feel like that kind of defeats the entire purpose of this set
Post by: flyinggbuddha on Tue, 20 October 2020, 13:46:03
Post by: kohalified on Tue, 20 October 2020, 19:20:46
Post by: bronnn on Tue, 27 October 2020, 03:22:07
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 27 October 2020, 04:36:27
I really like it, count on me!
Post by: Water Bottles on Fri, 30 October 2020, 10:51:09
Just a suggestion; would it be possible to have a dedicated set to regular ortho modifiers?
Could we have a poll as to whether the keycaps are glossy are matte?
Post by: GSPADE on Wed, 04 November 2020, 18:38:45
Post by: smshark on Thu, 05 November 2020, 15:11:35
Post by: upstairscoffee5 on Thu, 05 November 2020, 23:14:05
Post by: Mortis03 on Sun, 08 November 2020, 13:22:53
Post by: zeronova on Sat, 14 November 2020, 14:12:23
Post by: v683 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 13:58:45
Post by: biip on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:03:14
I'm considering all the suggestions and will offer a massive update in the future!
Post by: Drewbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 17:13:11
Post by: ideus on Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:50:35
Sorry for the lack of updates, I'm currently waiting for the v1 samples :thumb:
I'm considering all the suggestions and will offer a massive update in the future!
Have you considered to add a Norde set?—Even a mininimal version would do good to the set.
Post by: Yilk81 on Tue, 15 December 2020, 02:55:26
Post by: MadBinton on Thu, 24 December 2020, 06:31:00
And on top of this set there's GMK Awaken, the Boop board, I might as well wire my end of year bonuses to Biip. Is there a way to just become a subscribed customer?
Post by: Frayne on Thu, 07 January 2021, 20:04:30
Post by: biip on Fri, 08 January 2021, 02:12:35
I see a a few missing green icons for the creation set, may I suggest the brush, eraser, and lasso tool for them? they are the most common keys I use on Photoshop, clip studio paint and etc.
Obviously :thumb:
Nothing is set in stone yet. I'm currently waiting for some samples in order to see if KAM is viable for this set.
Post by: sejin.kim on Thu, 04 February 2021, 12:56:36
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 09 February 2021, 13:39:51
Post by: Vibex on Wed, 10 February 2021, 07:18:53
(https://i.imgur.com/wnKSfdb.png)
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Wed, 10 February 2021, 08:04:29
Post by: eljudio42 on Wed, 10 February 2021, 22:11:43
Post by: biip on Thu, 11 February 2021, 03:43:05
is there a google form to get notified when this will be live? :D
Discord (http://discord.biipmk.com/) or Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/biipmk/)
Post by: Toriaki on Fri, 12 February 2021, 09:31:26
Post by: WillyWortel on Sat, 13 February 2021, 14:45:16
I second on the debugging symbols.
Post by: vladimir108 on Tue, 16 February 2021, 11:50:18
What about blank alphas and blank mods kits to highlight a little bit more the other keys ?
I like idea of a few blank keycaps. It would be perfect set for macropad as is KAM SuperUser:
(https://i.imgur.com/Rjw4NbS.jpg)
Post by: vladimir108 on Tue, 16 February 2021, 12:06:39
- white (Alphas in GMK Dots) and
- light grey (Fn keycaps in GMK Dots) colors,
... another 2 columns of keycaps?
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 16 February 2021, 13:29:48
silly question: dots in "Addons" kit are from "GMK Dots" ... is it possible also add+1
- white (Alphas in GMK Dots) and
- light grey (Fn keycaps in GMK Dots) colors,
... another 2 columns of keycaps?
Post by: Arila on Tue, 16 February 2021, 13:35:08
Post by: yoboard on Wed, 17 February 2021, 09:26:48
Post by: vidoardes on Wed, 17 February 2021, 14:33:52
Just a thought, not sure how set in stone these are but I wondered if you might consider adding some 2u keys to each subset? Lots of people use external numpads as macro pads and they have 3 2u keys. Food for thought.
I'm on board either way.
Post by: Extra Fox on Tue, 02 March 2021, 17:23:33
Post by: HappyB0T on Wed, 03 March 2021, 12:52:43
Post by: balsa0 on Wed, 10 March 2021, 14:31:45
Post by: to1ne on Thu, 11 March 2021, 08:13:20
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
Post by: vladimir108 on Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:24:56
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
Like+
Post by: Extra-Cwispy on Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:53:21
Post by: elmo on Thu, 11 March 2021, 15:14:13
Dark blue is so hard to match with keyboards and especially macropads... :(
Post by: balsa0 on Fri, 12 March 2021, 02:25:05
I wished this came in a more neutral color like black or dark grey.
Dark blue is so hard to match with keyboards and especially macropads... :(
It would be a perfect match to my GMK Dots....
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 12 March 2021, 03:11:23
I wished this came in a more neutral color like black or dark grey.
Dark blue is so hard to match with keyboards and especially macropads... :(
Here you go: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110569.0
Post by: elmo on Fri, 12 March 2021, 04:34:11
It would be a perfect match to my GMK Dots....
mixing profiles? nah dude...
also these caps (the icon ones) are far more interesting for macropads etc.
not for use on a normal keyboard
Here you go: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110569.0
I'm already in for those. But they are certainly not the same level like the macro icon ones in this set...
Post by: biip on Fri, 12 March 2021, 04:53:37
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
will do :thumb:
still waiting for updates from the manufacturer.
At this point, I'm starting to also consider DSA.
Post by: ILikeShorts on Fri, 12 March 2021, 11:32:29
Post by: vladimir108 on Fri, 12 March 2021, 13:14:06
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
will do :thumb:
still waiting for updates from the manufacturer.
At this point, I'm starting to also consider DSA.
Cool! Something for programmers ... and admins ;-)
Post by: Vibex on Fri, 12 March 2021, 17:05:41
At this point, I'm starting to also consider DSA.I don't hate DSA, but it would definitely make me less excited for this set. Would still probably pick up a couple kits though.
Post by: Andrew_Debbie on Mon, 15 March 2021, 10:42:29
Post by: andred on Mon, 15 March 2021, 19:45:58
Oh man freaking awesome do we have confirmation it's going to be slick glossy PBT KAM (a la KAM Starry Night) and not matte PBT KAM (a la KAM Wraith)?
I plan to order samples for both finishes.
I initially thought about going for glossy finish tho since it'd look more classy and modern (IMO) :thumb:
Here's my two cents on glossy, based on my experience with KAM Little Pilot:
- It looks nice, but sometimes the shine highlights imperfections in the plastic. This detail does not come across in renderings.
- Typing on slippery keycaps is not as nice.
- Glossy catches more light reflections, which can detract from the beautiful legends on this set.
Post by: Xury46 on Wed, 31 March 2021, 05:14:34
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Wed, 31 March 2021, 05:55:08
Any possibility of International North/South kits?
Post by: LiTurk on Sun, 04 April 2021, 16:02:48
Post by: baobaozi on Sun, 04 April 2021, 18:50:52
It looks cool though!
Post by: Volny on Sat, 01 May 2021, 06:21:59
Post by: thicthock on Sun, 02 May 2021, 01:52:08
Here I am thinking of buying even more sets.
Post by: jakk on Sun, 02 May 2021, 20:33:21
Post by: hyphonetics on Mon, 03 May 2021, 03:59:53
Post by: Jayhen on Sat, 22 May 2021, 23:45:24
Post by: Entity. on Mon, 21 June 2021, 17:44:06
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 21 June 2021, 17:55:33
Post by: vladimir108 on Tue, 22 June 2021, 02:37:56
Post by: spikedsynapse on Tue, 22 June 2021, 12:56:35
Post by: memnarch1113 on Tue, 22 June 2021, 18:31:04
Post by: Klackygears on Sat, 26 June 2021, 14:47:52
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 30 June 2021, 04:20:15
Post by: Scottw on Tue, 13 July 2021, 18:18:05
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
will do :thumb:
still waiting for updates from the manufacturer.
At this point, I'm starting to also consider DSA.
Cool! Something for programmers ... and admins ;-)
i would love to see some vim navigation keys
Post by: Volny on Sat, 17 July 2021, 05:03:01
This will be such a cool set to get... in the summer of 2022 ^-^ Definitely in!ooh, do you think it'll be ready so soon? Goody! :D
Post by: sevenseacat on Mon, 19 July 2021, 05:07:20
This will be such a cool set to get... in the summer of 2022 ^-^ Definitely in!ooh, do you think it'll be ready so soon? Goody! :D
Maybe the GB will start by then lol
Post by: Voaraq on Tue, 20 July 2021, 05:44:46
Post by: msting on Tue, 20 July 2021, 06:30:19
Post by: biip on Tue, 20 July 2021, 07:06:51
Fingers crossed the GB starts before I die.
Well, still waiting for the samples to be done.
Apparently, Keyreative is working on it atm.
Post by: Volny on Wed, 21 July 2021, 05:24:33
Post by: tothendoftheline on Thu, 29 July 2021, 10:47:41
Post by: 39darkstriker93 on Fri, 06 August 2021, 11:10:48
But if only it was KAT profile instead of KAM... Can't do well in flat profiles :-[
Post by: vladimir108 on Fri, 06 August 2021, 11:48:24
What do you think about colab with RamaWorks and incl. their M6 to GB? They did a few times (GMK Dual shot 2, GMK Dandy, ...)
Or https://treasuretypes.com/ ?
Post by: Volny on Sat, 07 August 2021, 06:33:36
love thee colorways, fonts, novelties, all great.something like this pretty much has to be a uniform profile. Ok, the base kit could be KAT, but pretty as it is, the base kit is not what this is primarily about. It's about all the novelties for all the different programs and work flows. And everyone is going to use them differently. One person will put the Photoshop "brush" key on B, another will put it on the f row, another will put it on a macropad. Unless you make all the keys the same height, you're guaranteed to mess up the majority of people's conceptions for how to fit them in.
But if only it was KAT profile instead of KAM... Can't do well in flat profiles :-[
Post by: biip on Sat, 07 August 2021, 12:15:22
Some colors need obviously some tweaking (especially the base color) but I can say without fear that the project will happen, and that I can finally start to work on the different updates and adjustments regarding the kitting of the set :D
New samples will be submitted soon.
I don't think I'll go for glossy finish though.
As usual, I keep you in touch. Thanks again for supporting this project <3
Please don't mind the quality of the pics below, I did not have the time to shoot with strobes etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/mrrV5hQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VGSd0qG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ePwkUJg.jpg)
Post by: lecorsair on Sat, 07 August 2021, 12:58:06
- A little sad about loss of glossy finish though. Personally, one of the draw about KAM was the glossy finish.
Post by: psxndc on Sat, 07 August 2021, 13:24:59
Post by: biip on Sat, 07 August 2021, 13:26:11
Awesome. Biip, did you get any samples with homing bars? That’s the only area of concern for me (the haloing on KAM Wraith a was a bit a disappointment).
I did receive those, with the hallo issue.
But the manufacturer confirmed me that they'll fix the mold :thumb:
Post by: factoryofidols on Sat, 07 August 2021, 16:31:07
KAM in shiny just looks so nice and unique and to me makes sets pop over the matte finish.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 07 August 2021, 17:57:14
Hey, I finally received the first batch of samples (featuring matte finish) and I'm actually super satisfied by the dye sub quality, the legends being clean and sharp.
Thanks so much for posting these. I think the photos are great for what they are.
From what I can tell, maybe it would be good to adjust some of the colours for better contrast. Especially the blues and maybe the green. Maybe go with slightly thicker legends?*
In any case, this is very interesting. Would be nice to see a few samples in glossy, should they later arrive, just to help.
*Then again, if the base colour becomes more gray as in the renders, I guess maybe the legend colours don't need to be adjusted much at all.
Post by: Volny on Sat, 07 August 2021, 20:30:45
I'm a little worried about the red legends. They're weaker than the rest in terms of contrast and readability, yet they also seem to 'vibrate' a little, as red/blue combinations often do.
If you make the red darker, they'll be even less readable. If you lighten it while retaining saturation, they'll vibrate even more. If you lighten it while decreasing saturation, it'll no longer look red, but pink. I wonder if you'll end up having to decrease the saturation and brightness of the base blue a little.
By the way, the =/+ legend seems weighted a little too low perhaps.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 07 August 2021, 23:19:22
So I think we'd have to see the change in base material colour before fully assessing the legends.
Post by: Marichu on Sat, 07 August 2021, 23:55:19
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Post by: hottrout on Sat, 21 August 2021, 04:41:28
Post by: nihiltres on Tue, 24 August 2021, 23:51:03
I've got one piece of criticism and two requests.
First, the criticism. Since I'm getting many sets, I noticed that a group of media keys (icons for {back, play/pause, stop, forward}) is in a whole bunch of kits, including Stream, Audio, Creation, and Lisa. It might make sense to have these in a smaller kit mostly on their own, if only so that I and people like me don't end up with 4 copies of that group! I get that it's a bit of an awkward thing to change, but reduced redundancy is probably worth campaigning for.
Second, two requests: a mono legends kit, and a coding/debugging kit. They've already been asked-for, but I'm echoing the sentiment. Those are basically all I could wish for beyond the beautiful designs you've already presented.
Thanks for reading; keep being awesome.
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 25 August 2021, 06:21:38
I'm dissapointed, but it's not going to deter me.
Post by: biip on Wed, 08 September 2021, 15:39:22
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Post by: Starston3 on Wed, 08 September 2021, 23:29:43
Post by: kidpid on Thu, 09 September 2021, 10:51:19
Very curious to understand why continue to forge ahead with this project with Keyreative seeing all their mishaps, poor communication, poor qc, sending out partial order before designer approved, switching to double shot pbt without consulting with the main vendor previously, etc…
Yeah, there's no chance I'm buying this set as a Keyreative set at this point. They've proven to be completely unreliable.
Post by: Ravenhar on Tue, 14 September 2021, 09:23:07
Would more than likely pick up 2 or more kits though!
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 14 September 2021, 16:54:55
Still wish these were glossy, though. I rarely prefer glossy, but with this set, luxury lickable buttons, it just makes sense.
Post by: vladimir108 on Tue, 21 September 2021, 15:33:51
Oh yes please, add some programming stuff! I'd love to see this on a macropad!
Initially I was like: why? But that's actually not a bad idea.
I image icons for:
- debugging: run, break, step, next
- build, rebuild, execute, test
- (there must be more)
will do :thumb:
still waiting for updates from the manufacturer.
At this point, I'm starting to also consider DSA.
No set for developers/admins? :-(
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 22 September 2021, 00:24:05
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Post by: key_nes on Wed, 22 September 2021, 02:47:05
100% in for the novelties. Loveeeeee the themeeeee :-*agree! its super cute
Post by: nihiltres on Wed, 22 September 2021, 15:24:33
No set for developers/admins? :-(
There are some keys, in Navigation and Creation, that are useful for developers. Navigation has step-into, step-out, step-over, and Creation has a bug key, plus biip has confirmed a "plugin" key via Discord. I agree that a dedicated developer set would be nice, but the keys do exist, and personally I'd be going for the "whole playground" kit that biip has teased that would include a single copy of every novelty.
@biip DSA is fine w/ me!
I'd personally much prefer the initial KAM or a similar smooth profile, as I'm not fond of the "pebbly" texture of DSA. It's no skin off my teeth if DSA is available in addition to KAM or whatever else, but I'd really like a smooth profile.
Post by: Volny on Tue, 19 October 2021, 21:04:19
I'd personally much prefer the initial KAM or a similar smooth profile, as I'm not fond of the "pebbly" texture of DSA. It's no skin off my teeth if DSA is available in addition to KAM or whatever else, but I'd really like a smooth profile.
I can see how texture is going to be largely a personal preference. Though the 'pebbliness' of SP DSA keycaps is partly why they're so matte. Which I think makes them look more attractive and elegant than glossy caps. Though more importantly, this also makes legends stand out more clearly in various lighting conditions. And clarity of legends is obviously of particular importance when talking about macro keys like these.
Though having said that, DSA doesn't necessarily mean 'pebbly' anyway. I have a bunch of different DSA keycaps from different brands, and they all feel quite different. The Signature Plastics standard DSA PBT keycaps feel moderately textured (and, for me, excellent). I have some KPrepublic ones that feel a bit smoother, and some other ones I got on AliExpress that are smooth to the point of almost being slippery. Lastly, I have some novelties from Drop's DSA Astrolokeys set, and those are by far the most pebbly - considerably more so than SP.
Post by: vishydesigns on Tue, 19 October 2021, 21:09:57
Post by: DomaRho on Sun, 07 November 2021, 07:22:51
Post by: biip on Mon, 08 November 2021, 08:41:08
@biip DSA is fine w/ me!
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DSA samples have been ordered.
I keep you posted :thumb:
Post by: William_S_Jones on Mon, 08 November 2021, 11:02:47
Yes.....you rock, main reason you are 1 of my favorite keycap designers!@biip DSA is fine w/ me!
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DSA samples have been ordered.
I keep you posted :thumb:
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Post by: olihaimar on Tue, 09 November 2021, 16:07:33
Post by: Volny on Wed, 10 November 2021, 21:17:34
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Wed, 10 November 2021, 21:43:48
So happy about the DSA :) Will they be from Signature Plastics, or some other manufacturer?
SP does not do reverse dye sub so I’m guessing no?
Post by: Volny on Sun, 14 November 2021, 06:19:09
Post by: sevenseacat on Sun, 14 November 2021, 10:40:53
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 20 November 2021, 02:19:16
Not interested at all if it's DSA, so I'll wait and see...
DSA is GOD TIER!
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Post by: Nothatso on Sat, 20 November 2021, 09:25:01
Post by: phxrbn on Sat, 20 November 2021, 13:00:52
Post by: Volny on Sat, 20 November 2021, 21:00:22
I'm sure that most people who are serious about piecing together a highly customised macropad have naturally found themselves landing on DSA, just as I did. Not because they particularly love the look or feel of the profile (maybe they do, maybe they don't - either way it's a secondary concern here) but because it opens doors to customisability options that none of the other profiles can.
The keycap selection in this set is very good indeed, but it can't cover everyone's needs, because everyone's needs are so varied. For example, as a heavy Photoshop user, I'm happy to see Photoshop-type keycaps in the "creation" kit, but there are still a bunch of Photoshop tools/shortcuts I use daily that aren't represented there. I'm sure most people would find similar gaps in their particular usage scenarios. If this set comes out in KAM, then we're pretty much stuck with those gaps, as KAM keysets are few and far between, and macropad-friendly ones even more so. But if the set comes out as DSA, it'll be a lot easier to supplement with existing options on the market. Sure, we'll have to accept some color differences between Playground and non-Playground keycaps, but at least the profile will be uniformly consistent and will still feel good to use.
Post by: Mr Chrome on Sun, 21 November 2021, 00:17:26
The keycap selection in this set is very good indeed, but it can't cover everyone's needs, because everyone's needs are so varied. For example, as a heavy Photoshop user, I'm happy to see Photoshop-type keycaps in the "creation" kit, but there are still a bunch of Photoshop tools/shortcuts I use daily that aren't represented there. I'm sure most people would find similar gaps in their particular usage scenarios. If this set comes out in KAM, then we're pretty much stuck with those gaps, as KAM keysets are few and far between, and macropad-friendly ones even more so. But if the set comes out as DSA, it'll be a lot easier to supplement with existing options on the market. Sure, we'll have to accept some color differences between Playground and non-Playground keycaps, but at least the profile will be uniformly consistent and will still feel good to use.
Maybe it’s because I’ve always used blanks for macropads so I don’t worry about legends matching function, but I don’t see much reason to change the profile to DSA just because there are more DSA keysets widely available. I think the vague icons of the Addons kit covers for gaps in the other kits pretty well, and is definitely kinder on the eyes than mixing and matching sets. I do agree that the lack of in-stock KAM does mean you have to commit to the kits offered, though. Personally, I wouldn’t mind some base colour blanks to cover for any missing keys, seeing as the navy won’t match any existing sets. But that’s minor.
Not the biggest fan of DSA myself, but still think the change is a good idea if KAM can’t achieve the right colours or has any other issues (which they always do lol). KAT Space Cadet has been... interesting. Might be a good idea to poll the change.
Post by: Volny on Tue, 23 November 2021, 05:40:15
Post by: Mr Chrome on Tue, 23 November 2021, 08:19:45
I've found that my macro needs tend to evolve as my work and/or workflow evolves, and certain macro keys might only have been living in a particular spot for a few days or weeks ...
Ah, that's interesting! Having some keycaps only for days at a time is completely alien to me :L I only have 24 dedicated macro keys, not at all like your 101(!!!), and maybe it's because small orthos have put me in the habit of using layers and ignoring legends anyway, but blanks suit my needs just fine. I suppose even my use of blanks is actually an argument for DSA, with the availability of DSA blanks.
Still, I do think people who use a lot of macro keys end up with very specialised uses for them, and it becomes almost impossible to create a standalone set that works 100% for those users. I think this set is more about fulfilling the needs of the most common macros, and having vague keys which can be used for more niche ones, without being a ubiquitous set. I guess it's a set that can work for every use, but isn't designed for every use. If you were to make that, I suppose you should go for DSA and stock colours, kinda like the way relegendables fit that role, so that it can be mixed and matched for maximum application. But I prefer the aesthetic and uniqueness of this set.
TL;DR if not mixing sets then KAM > DSA for me, but Keyreative has a backlog and reputation from hell so I'm open to manu change.
Post by: Volny on Thu, 25 November 2021, 23:52:30
I've found that my macro needs tend to evolve as my work and/or workflow evolves, and certain macro keys might only have been living in a particular spot for a few days or weeks ...
Ah, that's interesting! Having some keycaps only for days at a time is completely alien to me :L
I never said anything about keycaps being active for days at a time. Only that the overall setup tends to evolve over time as I continue to optimise it, and as my own work evolves. So some macro keys may end up shifting positions to different spots, while new ones will occasionally be added to the setup (on a long-term basis).
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Still, I do think people who use a lot of macro keys end up with very specialised uses for them, and it becomes almost impossible to create a standalone set that works 100% for those users.
This was exactly my point. Since many users will therefore need to supplement this set with keycaps from other sets, it makes sense to use a profile that already has decent baseline options to choose from (ie. DSA) rather than one that has almost none (KAM). Mixing keycaps from different sets isn't aesthetically perfect, but many people who are in the market for a set like this may value function over form, in which case it may be a worthwhile compromise.
Post by: BeardedChow on Mon, 29 November 2021, 00:36:23
Would love a child set for video editing icons.
Drive me nuts there so many different programs for editing with no shortcut Keysets.
Definitely in for this regardless.
Post by: Bub on Mon, 29 November 2021, 07:30:18
Post by: salgiza on Mon, 29 November 2021, 07:44:45
That being said, even the alphas look really nice, and I would also buy them for sure if a South kit was available (although I understand that adding Norde & South kits would make this IC compete for the biggest number of kits ever!).
Post by: bamblerow on Sun, 16 January 2022, 13:12:47
I think KAM Superuser was the only set I remember included redox support for (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/products/ergo_blanks_1512x.png?v=1612533436), not sure if that we because they went with a blank approach. The 5 1.5u side keys feature appropriate legends that other kits don't contain in 1.25u form.
Would it be possible to add the 10 1.25u variants of the 1.5u in the ergo kit to the ergo kit?
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 07 February 2022, 03:00:06
DSA samples have been ordered.
I keep you posted :thumb:
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What's the turnaround time for DSA? Hope it's not 18+ months like SA... :-X
And +1 for the programming/coding stuff! :)
Post by: Yomiiiiii on Wed, 20 April 2022, 07:11:16
Post by: ImaSpacePotato on Wed, 20 April 2022, 11:34:27
Yo, made an account just to talk about this set. Is it still in the works? Or has it been cancelled?
Biip is still waiting in samples, all manufacturers are pretty backed up right now.
Post by: biip on Wed, 20 April 2022, 12:22:51
Yo, made an account just to talk about this set. Is it still in the works? Or has it been cancelled?
Biip is still waiting in samples, all manufacturers are pretty backed up right now.
This. Waiting for the DSA samples atm. Manu is working on it. :thumb:
Post by: Yomiiiiii on Sat, 23 April 2022, 15:42:03
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 15 May 2022, 00:39:44
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Post by: piit79 on Sun, 15 May 2022, 01:03:48
In & even more w/ it being KAM profile thanks @biipDid you mean "with it not being KAM profile"? Looks like it will be DSA...
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Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 15 May 2022, 09:20:12
What ever it is, DSA or KAM, it's a win, I love both uniform profiles!In & even more w/ it being KAM profile thanks @biipDid you mean "with it not being KAM profile"? Looks like it will be DSA...
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Post by: turangaleela on Sat, 16 July 2022, 17:00:40
Big fan btw
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Post by: lecorsair on Tue, 20 June 2023, 12:44:30
Post by: biip on Tue, 20 June 2023, 13:00:38
Doesn't seem Biip is that active on this forum anymore, is there any update anywhere? anyone know if this project is still being worked on?
I have not been quite active there lately indeed 😅
I tend to post more updates on my Discord server (https://discord.com/invite/biipmk).
Latest update regarding this set being DSA samples ordered haha.
I keep you in touch!
Post by: lecorsair on Tue, 20 June 2023, 13:48:15
Doesn't seem Biip is that active on this forum anymore, is there any update anywhere? anyone know if this project is still being worked on?
I have not been quite active there lately indeed 😅
I tend to post more updates on my Discord server (https://discord.com/invite/biipmk).
Latest update regarding this set being DSA samples ordered haha.
I keep you in touch!
Thank you, biip! :thumb: