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Title: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:10:00: T H I S I S A N I N T E R E S T C H E C K

Ever feel like black switches are too heavy and reds too light?

Then I've got something for you :)

I'm working with Kailh on a medium weight, 62g-ish bottom out, box linear switch. Of course, the stem color will be a dark seductive shade of velvety red (we really like red keyboard stuff over at Desk Candy (https://www.deskcandy.xyz)).

Anyone interested?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:15:29: I'm interested in about 550 of those springs to put into box jades. I love the big tactile bump, but a medium weight spring for modding any box switches would be awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:18:42: Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:15:29
I'm interested in about 550 of those springs to put into box jades. I love the big tactile bump, but a medium weight spring for modding any box switches would be awesome!

I agree with this, I need a slightly heavier spring in my jades for them to be perfect. Hopefully we can get just the springs.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:20:50: :thumb: I think that's probably doable, I will ask Kailh about standalone 62g springs as well for spring swapping
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:23:10: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:20:50
:thumb: I think that's probably doable, I will ask Kailh about standalone 62g springs as well for spring swapping
Fantastic! Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:39:42: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:20:50
:thumb: I think that's probably doable, I will ask Kailh about standalone 62g springs as well for spring swapping

If we can do this, I am totally in.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:57:06: Would you be down to beta test? I am working on getting samples of both the switches and the springs from Kailh ASAP
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Hokabuki on Thu, 15 March 2018, 00:04:46: I’d love to join in. Especially in a beta test!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 00:19:02: Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: . on Thu, 15 March 2018, 00:36:22: :thumb: I'd totally get these!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58: Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23: Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:24:00: Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I still think it would be simpler to find a manufacturer for springs themselves, but hey its not my IC :D
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:27:43: Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:24:00
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I still think it would be simpler to find a manufacturer for springs themselves, but hey its not my IC :D

yeah, i agree, but that's more work than just getting kailh to do it
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:29:15: Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:27:43
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:24:00
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I still think it would be simpler to find a manufacturer for springs themselves, but hey its not my IC :D

yeah, i agree, but that's more work than just getting kailh to do it

Oh for sure. Things are just getting out of hand with all these colors... was easier when the options were blue/red/brown/black/clear/green.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:35:33: Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:29:15
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:27:43
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:24:00
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I still think it would be simpler to find a manufacturer for springs themselves, but hey its not my IC :D

yeah, i agree, but that's more work than just getting kailh to do it

Oh for sure. Things are just getting out of hand with all these colors... was easier when the options were blue/red/brown/black/clear/green.

i still can't keep track of all the types of gaterons

so many more options

i remember even before clear/green were really common options
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:42:37: Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:35:33
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:29:15
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:27:43
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:24:00
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:15:23
Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 15 March 2018, 01:09:58
Am i missing something? Do kailh box switches have a different style spring than cherry mx? I feel like the easiest thing to do would be just swap out springs.

Or is the point to just add one more color of box switches? I havent personally used box switches so am honestly not sure.

they have a different spring

it's closer to an ALPS spring

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I still think it would be simpler to find a manufacturer for springs themselves, but hey its not my IC :D

yeah, i agree, but that's more work than just getting kailh to do it

Oh for sure. Things are just getting out of hand with all these colors... was easier when the options were blue/red/brown/black/clear/green.

i still can't keep track of all the types of gaterons

so many more options

i remember even before clear/green were really common options

Those were the days :P
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 15 March 2018, 02:58:01: Yes pls count me in!

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Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: vegs on Thu, 15 March 2018, 03:45:09: Interested :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 15 March 2018, 06:14:59: Interested. But you know what we really need? PCB mount kailh box bottoms, so we can stop having crooked switches with all the Swiss cheese plates out there.

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Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: TalkingTree on Thu, 15 March 2018, 07:05:06: I'm interest although I'd like to ask whether a silent box linear is planned, if anyone knows.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 15 March 2018, 07:19:59: Nice! I think there is a market for the in between weight.

Just as a heads up, Kailh will not sell just the springs. I have been working with them for the past 6 months or so trying to get them to sell me BOX springs and they wont budge on that.

I am working with a spring manufacturer right now, and just trying to get the details ironed out, but there is no ETA or more info on that at all and I am not trying to hijack your thread.

:)
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Techno Trousers on Thu, 15 March 2018, 07:57:27: Quote from: mgsickler on Thu, 15 March 2018, 07:19:59
Just as a heads up, Kailh will not sell just the springs. I have been working with them for the past 6 months or so trying to get them to sell me BOX springs and they wont budge on that.

I am working with a spring manufacturer right now, and just trying to get the details ironed out, but there is no ETA or more info on that at all and I am not trying to hijack your thread.

:)
Hijack or no, I'm really glad for your update! You're my hero for giving enthusiasts the ultimate tactile Cherry mount switches. More spring options will be the "cherry on top," and I look forward to trying them out when ready.

Chicagoboss, best of luck in your pursuit of an ultimate linear box switch. This is a great time for keyboard enthusiasts!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:22:22: Thanks! Yeah I just heard back from Kailh and they said their tolerance is so wide on spring weight (+/- 10g) that they cannot produce an in-between weight because 62g falls within their tolerance range for box blacks :/

I might just put this to rest then since mgsickler is working on custom springs already though TBH kailh box switches are a PITA to open up so maybe we can also find some way to make that process easier for modders too.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:38:08: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:22:22
Thanks! Yeah I just heard back from Kailh and they said their tolerance is so wide on spring weight (+/- 10g) that they cannot produce an in-between weight because 62g falls within their tolerance range for box blacks :/

I might just put this to rest then since mgsickler is working on custom springs already though TBH kailh box switches are a PITA to open up so maybe we can also find some way to make that process easier for modders too.

:( I thought they would have been able to make that switch for you. Thats a bummer.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: base on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:45:38: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:22:22
Thanks! Yeah I just heard back from Kailh and they said their tolerance is so wide on spring weight (+/- 10g) that they cannot produce an in-between weight because 62g falls within their tolerance range for box blacks :/

I might just put this to rest then since mgsickler is working on custom springs already though TBH kailh box switches are a PITA to open up so maybe we can also find some way to make that process easier for modders too.

Interesting. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the box blacks 70g bottom out, and (at least most of) the box heavies 80g bottom out? That’s technically within the +/- 10g I would think. Is it just the 2g difference that is the issue? I wonder if a 60g bottom out as opposed to 62g would make a difference to them?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 15 March 2018, 11:54:16: Yeah go for 60 :D

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Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 15 March 2018, 12:56:54: Very interested to see where this goes.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Techno Trousers on Thu, 15 March 2018, 23:07:45: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:22:22
TBH kailh box switches are a PITA to open up so maybe we can also find some way to make that process easier for modders too.
I was curious about this too. I have some nice homemade levers for opening Cherry switches, but I haven't tried to figure out how to open the Kailh switches yet. Can a tool be produced to make that process easier?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 16 March 2018, 00:06:03: Quote from: finalarcadia on Thu, 15 March 2018, 06:14:59
Interested. But you know what we really need? PCB mount kailh box bottoms, so we can stop having crooked switches with all the Swiss cheese plates out there.

This is one of my new years keyboard wishes.

More on topic, I'm liking the sound of slightly stiffer jades so the spring swap would be glorious.

Also I heart linears, so I'm also in for these (though I never found the reds too light =/ )
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: MeloDet on Fri, 16 March 2018, 21:10:47: I could be mistaken, but isn't Mike from Novelkeys working on custom springs for the BOX switches?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Fri, 16 March 2018, 21:16:47: Quote from: MeloDet on Fri, 16 March 2018, 21:10:47
I could be mistaken, but isn't Mike from Novelkeys working on custom springs for the BOX switches?

He is, he posted in here mentioning that. So hopefully his will fit the need that these may never fill...
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: vegs on Mon, 09 April 2018, 05:58:08: Are there any updates?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Techno Trousers on Mon, 09 April 2018, 07:39:27: Quote from: vegs on Mon, 09 April 2018, 05:58:08
Are there any updates?
Yes.
Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 09:22:22
Thanks! Yeah I just heard back from Kailh and they said their tolerance is so wide on spring weight (+/- 10g) that they cannot produce an in-between weight because 62g falls within their tolerance range for box blacks :/

I might just put this to rest then since mgsickler is working on custom springs already though TBH kailh box switches are a PITA to open up so maybe we can also find some way to make that process easier for modders too.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 09 April 2018, 09:00:19: Comparing the Kailh Box Black to the regular Kailh Black it's apparent that they have roughly the same bottom-out weights, but with much more resistance right at the top of the stroke. I'm not sure if this is because of the springs themselves or some kind of interaction with the plastic tactile nub thing.

Not sure if that makes a difference at all. I'd personally be in the market for a "steeper" Box spring, that starts out much lighter than Box black but gets about as heavy at bottom-out.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: merutz on Mon, 09 April 2018, 09:57:39: Quote from: vegs on Mon, 09 April 2018, 05:58:08
Are there any updates?

I second this beautiful man :p
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: nzhoward on Mon, 09 April 2018, 12:16:33: I think sprit (https://spritdesign.wixsite.com/sprit) made kailh box springs and they are available to order starting just today. they come in 35, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 80, 100g in weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: vegs on Mon, 09 April 2018, 15:18:43: Quote from: nzhoward on Mon, 09 April 2018, 12:16:33
I think sprit (https://spritdesign.wixsite.com/sprit) made kailh box springs and they are available to order starting just today. they come in 35, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 80, 100g in weight.
Ooh, neat. Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: base on Mon, 09 April 2018, 15:45:23: Quote from: nzhoward on Mon, 09 April 2018, 12:16:33
I think sprit (https://spritdesign.wixsite.com/sprit) made kailh box springs and they are available to order starting just today. they come in 35, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 80, 100g in weight.

:eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 24 May 2018, 20:59:15: any updates on this?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 24 May 2018, 21:57:47: Quote from: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:10:00
Ever feel like black switches are too heavy and reds too light?

I'm working with Kailh on a medium weight, 62g-ish bottom out, box linear switch. Of course, the stem color will be a dark seductive shade of velvety red (we really like red keyboard stuff over at Desk Candy).

So, it's the Kailh Box version of Gateron Yellow I take it. The Yellow bottoms out at around 65g.
Though considering how smooth Gateron Yellow is, I guess the benefit here is less wobbling and some degrees of water-resistant?
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 May 2018, 22:55:40: Pff. You call yourself a Chicago boss but you ain't even from Chicago.

Regardless, I'm down. I wasn't keen on pulling the trigger for some Kailh box blacks for my next build, and was going to swap out springs for some SPRiT Kailh Box ones around that weight anyway, so I may as well just wait.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: foxmancore on Fri, 25 May 2018, 02:01:09: would buy 100 to try :)
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: Gati on Fri, 25 May 2018, 06:20:44: Would be in for the springs!
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 25 May 2018, 13:22:18: interested in springs
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: anatworkaccount on Wed, 30 May 2018, 10:00:50: I'd be up for trying some, they'd be nice in my Macro pad.
Title: Re: [IC] Kailh Box Velvet - 62g Box Linear switches
Post by: voight-kampff on Fri, 01 June 2018, 10:59:11: I am in for the switches.
PCB mount would be good