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Offline merlin64

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[IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - Decisions Made
« on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 08:44:38 »
This is an interest check to gather information and gauge interest for a Duck Black Bird weight insert.

Special thanks to Jeu for pictures of the recess: https://imgur.com/a/U3Qqx

Special thanks to Duck for providing me the CAD file

Special thanks to alveeno for allow me to test fit on his black bird

Current Issues:
We do not have an engraving, we currently have three proposals

154425-0
Proposed by Gaiden

153447-1

Proposed by seblove

154377-2
Proposed by Wodan, designed by aaron6301


Status

12/22/2016 - Decisions made
12/02/2016 - I need some questions answered, made a google poll. Please fill it out.
11/28/2016 - Prototype test fitted on alveeno's black bird.
« Last Edit: Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:29:10 by merlin64 »
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:08:50 »
I'm in.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:17:40 »
As I said in the BB thread, once I get mine I'll get measurements for you.

I'm in for one for sure.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:44:53 »
I'd be interested in one


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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:03:07 »
Oh hell yes
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:11:42 »
Correct me if im wrong anyone but from the engraving look of last insert for Octagon v2 the plate would look much like the one on the bottom. :)

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:24:02 »
Yes Yes Yes I need it!! I like the second design better. Not feeling the all black.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:32:39 »
Will be interested in one
However need to justify the price on the engraving

Blackbird insert is different from Octagon, it's only on the inside so nothing can be seen from the outside unlike octagon

So it serves solely to add weight not aesthetic from outside the case
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:37:24 »
Correct me if im wrong anyone but from the engraving look of last insert for Octagon v2 the plate would look much like the one on the bottom. :)

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:38:25 »
Will be interested in one
However need to justify the price on the engraving

Blackbird insert is different from Octagon, it's only on the inside so nothing can be seen from the outside unlike octagon

So it serves solely to add weight not aesthetic from outside the case

actually the insert style for Octagon V2 and Blackbird is the same. both on the inside and not underneath.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:48:42 »
Can someone who currently owns a black bird post a photo of the cavity here please? 2-3 angles would be great. Thank you.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:52:34 »
I'm in, probably non-engraved.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:04:21 »
In for engraved.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:27:18 »
Ill get one for sure

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:29:47 »
probably in for engraved
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 13:01:09 »
I'd be interested in a non-engraved plate.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 13:13:16 »
I got a brass plate for my Octagon V2, and it is awesome, so I am definitely in for Black Bird version! I'd be fine with non-engraved.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 14:24:12 »
Likely in for either. Thanks for getting this together for us.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 14:35:25 »
+1 for Stainless with engraving!

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 14:46:12 »
I PMed Duck0113 to see if he had any files for me, hopefully he'll be willing to give them out =).

If not, the other option would be for someone to send me their Black Bird and I can have my manufacturer take the measurements they need.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 19:02:12 »
I love you merlin  :-* :-* :-*
Definitely in again  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 21:53:22 »
I'm in for one as well! I don't know about you guys, but I personally would prefer something a little more distinguished? Something like these quick mockups would be awesome imo.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 22:36:01 »
I'm in for one as well! I don't know about you guys, but I personally would prefer something a little more distinguished? Something like these quick mockups would be awesome imo.
when I think of blackbird:
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:02:09 »
Interested

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:12:04 »
I'm in for one as well! I don't know about you guys, but I personally would prefer something a little more distinguished? Something like these quick mockups would be awesome imo.
when I think of blackbird:
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i think of the same thing  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:15:04 »
Here are the potato photos I could take, no better camera  :-[
My crude measurements of the weight recess is 11 13/16" x 2 3/16" x 1/8", don't trust myself to get exact enough screw placement measurements.
https://imgur.com/a/U3Qqx

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 23:54:59 »
I'm in for one as well! I don't know about you guys, but I personally would prefer something a little more distinguished? Something like these quick mockups would be awesome imo.
when I think of blackbird:
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i think of the same thing  :thumb:

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  :eek:
whoaaaa :eek:
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 02:49:20 »
Here are the potato photos I could take, no better camera  :-[
My crude measurements of the weight recess is 11 13/16" x 2 3/16" x 1/8", don't trust myself to get exact enough screw placement measurements.
https://imgur.com/a/U3Qqx

I think you'd need to measure in metric to be more accurate. I'd wager that the depth is 3mm like the octagon.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 02:49:55 »
i'm in. either, but prefer engraved.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 06:34:01 »
I'm in for one as well! I don't know about you guys, but I personally would prefer something a little more distinguished? Something like these quick mockups would be awesome imo.
when I think of blackbird:
Show Image


100% agree. The SR71 is the ONLY Blackbird!


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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 10:21:41 »
Interested. Will there be a brass?

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 10:33:08 »
Here are the potato photos I could take, no better camera  :-[
My crude measurements of the weight recess is 11 13/16" x 2 3/16" x 1/8", don't trust myself to get exact enough screw placement measurements.
https://imgur.com/a/U3Qqx

I think you'd need to measure in metric to be more accurate. I'd wager that the depth is 3mm like the octagon.
Yeah I mean 1/8" is 3.1 mm so your probably right. I did say crude ;) not exact but should give a ballpark. Don't have anything precise enough to help much more. Trusty tape measure.


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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 11:44:50 »
Thanks Jeu, I've posted your estimates and photos in the OP. Would be great if someone could verify it.

I wasn't aware of the 6 screw holes.

Can anyone with an Octagon V2 confirm that the screws used to affix the Octagon V2 weight, are the same screws for the Black Bird weight, if I know that we can atleast know the size of the hole.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 13:47:04 »
No further responses regarding CAD files, but many offers of measuring their crevices were PMed this weekend.

I do have a CAD files for the Duck Orion keyboard though, so if this falls through, I might just do that instead lol.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 18:41:53 »
No further responses regarding CAD files, but many offers of measuring their crevices were PMed this weekend.

I do have a CAD files for the Duck Orion keyboard though, so if this falls through, I might just do that instead lol.

How long would you need the board for? I'm in class until Thanksgiving but live in South sound

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 18:48:24 »
1-2 weeks minimum. We would still have to do the mockup, but I think if my manufacturer has to do the legwork, it might be more expensive for everyone. So really a CAD file is ideal.

I really have no clue how to measure the crevice (I also don't have a black bird), so I don't know what measurements are needed to come up with a good mock up.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 18:53:33 »
Hey there. I'd be down for a weight insert, also I live in WA and am in Round 2, wouldn't mind testing fits. Once my BB comes I can try to measure as well.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 18:56:01 »
1-2 weeks minimum. We would still have to do the mockup, but I think if my manufacturer has to do the legwork, it might be more expensive for everyone. So really a CAD file is ideal.

I really have no clue how to measure the crevice (I also don't have a black bird), so I don't know what measurements are needed to come up with a good mock up.

Ah, OK. I'd be a little nervous leaving it with a machine shop and I don't know how to make a CAD file either. See where things stand when it comes time.

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 06:50:49 »
Have yet to receive my Octagon insert but I'm definitely interested in this one as well.
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 19 November 2016, 00:31:06 »
i am 100 percent down for one. just tell me how to pay you lol!

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 19 November 2016, 11:04:31 »
i could try and make a cad file but i dont have experience on the screw fitment parts and i dont know how precise i will get the measurements in general

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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 09:37:31 »
UPDATE

I got a reply from Duck last night asking for my email address. Let's hope that's for sending me a CAD file. =).
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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - Made contact with Duck!!!
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:40:29 »
i could try and make a cad file but i dont have experience on the screw fitment parts and i dont know how precise i will get the measurements in general
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Re: [IC] Weight Insert for Duck Black Bird
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 11:23:53 »
UPDATE

I got a reply from Duck last night asking for my email address. Let's hope that's for sending me a CAD file. =).

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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 20:51:39 »
UPDATE

.dwg file received from Duck. It's basically just a plain plate, so I'll still have to deal with putting the design on it. Either way, that is PROGRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next step is to make prototype and test fit.
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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 01:23:11 »
UPDATE

.dwg file received from Duck. It's basically just a plain plate, so I'll still have to deal with putting the design on it. Either way, that is PROGRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next step is to make prototype and test fit.
Good to hear about the update! Did you get the link i sent earlier? Hioe everything works. Will be keeping an eye out for progress :)

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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 11:04:53 »
I'm looking for volunteers to help me test fit. Ideally you would be in WA state in the United States and my next door neighbor. =). lol.

I live in Seattle, so if you are close by and have a black bird, and don't mind taking photos and meeting up, I'd love to have you PM me. I don't expect anything on my end for at least two weeks, given the holidays and all, and I don't expect anyone to give that up for me either.

If people are close by enough we could even do a mini black bird meetup lol. I'd be the only odd one out.
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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 11:55:53 »
I'm looking for volunteers to help me test fit. Ideally you would be in WA state in the United States and my next door neighbor. =). lol.

I live in Seattle, so if you are close by and have a black bird, and don't mind taking photos and meeting up, I'd love to have you PM me. I don't expect anything on my end for at least two weeks, given the holidays and all, and I don't expect anyone to give that up for me either.

If people are close by enough we could even do a mini black bird meetup lol. I'd be the only odd one out.


If you cant find anyone, im in CO and willing to cover shipping if you want

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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 12:21:26 »
I'm looking for volunteers to help me test fit. Ideally you would be in WA state in the United States and my next door neighbor. =). lol.

I live in Seattle, so if you are close by and have a black bird, and don't mind taking photos and meeting up, I'd love to have you PM me. I don't expect anything on my end for at least two weeks, given the holidays and all, and I don't expect anyone to give that up for me either.

If people are close by enough we could even do a mini black bird meetup lol. I'd be the only odd one out.

In class until the 16th, then again starting on Jan. 8th. My BB will be with me in the South Sound and available for meet up otherwise.

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Re: [IC] Duck Black Bird Weight Insert - CAD file received from Duck
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 09:08:38 »
Will be looking forward for this!
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