yes
yes
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I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo
sorry to be a combo breaker
I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo
sorry to be a combo breaker
I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.
Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?
75%/1800 support would complicate matters - r0 versions of nav cluster etc. that said, i'd be down for that.I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo
sorry to be a combo breaker
I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.
Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?
Personally, I do think that adding the R5 1.25u keys (2x Ctrl, 2x Super, 2x Alt, 1x Fn) and the 1u keys (2x Super) would be smart. It gives these classic sets immense compatibility in R5 bottom row -- with 65%/75%/1800-CP, etc.
Note: no need to add a spacebar.Genuine question, why not? :o
Note: no need to add a spacebar.Genuine question, why not? :o
75%/1800 support would complicate matters - r0 versions of nav cluster etc. that said, i'd be down for that.I'd be interested if more compat was added - WKL TKL may be too limited to hit MOQ imo
sorry to be a combo breaker
I contacted GMK, just waiting for a response. I could run a 1u "super" key like carbon- but I don't want to add too much to run up the price of the set.
Are people going to want to have an R5 6.25 bottom row?
Personally, I do think that adding the R5 1.25u keys (2x Ctrl, 2x Super, 2x Alt, 1x Fn) and the 1u keys (2x Super) would be smart. It gives these classic sets immense compatibility in R5 bottom row -- with 65%/75%/1800-CP, etc.Note: no need to add a spacebar.Genuine question, why not? :o
yes
N9 and CC would be nice too.
Didn't even think about 65-75% boards! Adding that compatibility would mean I'd be adding 30ish (?) keys total For the 1800 top row and the 1.25 R5 keys effectively bringing this kit to around 100 keys.
I might just consider adding R5 keys instead of worrying about 1800 R0 compatibility.
Spacebars are the same
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cbsRAeH.jpg)
Here's an edited version of the Umka Modifiers I grabbed from GMK Carbon R2 for guidance to the OP for what keys may be relevant.
And two keys that I forgot: 1u 0 key, and 1u 00 key.
Interested,
I also will be that guy, knowing full well it is WKL TKL support only, but what are the chances to include the 3 nav keys for 1800 as well?
Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.
Please change that Alt Gr to Alt. There are plenty of R5 beige Alt Gr's out there :))
Could also consider using the old Windows logos for 1.25 keys if you want a really classic look.Show Image(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/668/20291772604_b254b8e067_h.jpg)
Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.good change, niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wq6Gq7I.jpg)
Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.
Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.good change, niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wq6Gq7I.jpg)
I don't really have an opinion on alt vs alt gr
to confirm, are both colourways one kit or are they separate?
Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.
Pls no diamond keys, they look terrible in contrast to the other text legends. They belong in an icon modifier pack imo.
Liking the additions so far, especially the 1.5 fn.
Are those Alt Gr's doubleshot or dyesub?There are tonnes of dyesub and doubleshot OG Cherry boards in German layout, all of which have R5 1.5 Alt Gr.
I'm still trying to get in contact with GMK, but I wouldn't want new molds made to keep prices low. I know Carbon ran a 1.25 "Alt" and not "Alt Gr" so I know those molds are already created. If GMK confirms that they already have that mold, then I'd much rather have that as well. :thumb:
Are those Alt Gr's doubleshot or dyesub?There are tonnes of dyesub and doubleshot OG Cherry boards in German layout, all of which have R5 1.5 Alt Gr.
I'm still trying to get in contact with GMK, but I wouldn't want new molds made to keep prices low. I know Carbon ran a 1.25 "Alt" and not "Alt Gr" so I know those molds are already created. If GMK confirms that they already have that mold, then I'd much rather have that as well. :thumb:
Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.good change, niceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wq6Gq7I.jpg)
I don't really have an opinion on alt vs alt gr
to confirm, are both colourways one kit or are they separate?
They'll be in one kit. Might be difficult hitting MOQ if split. And I'm assuming most people who are interested in this own or would want to own these colorways :)Add two 1u diamond-legend keys in R5 and the kit in the first post is perfect imo. I've read there are no molds for 1.25u in R5, but I can be wrong.
Pls no diamond keys, they look terrible in contrast to the other text legends. They belong in an icon modifier pack imo.
Liking the additions so far, especially the 1.5 fn.
Lol, no diamond icons.
Update 06/07/19: Updated the kit for modern sets, adding support for 65%, some 75% (not including the top R0), and 1800. There are currently 78 keys total. The goal is to keep caps to the minimum while offering maximum compatibility.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wq6Gq7I.jpg)
Icon mods? ;D
Icon mods? ;D
pls no
Icon mods? ;D
pls no
If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way
Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better
Icon mods? ;D
pls no
If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way
Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route :) It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better
I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys :(
Rough estimate on pricing? It might be worthwhile to get some community feedback in advance.
Icon mods? ;D
pls no
If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way
Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route :) It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better
I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys :(
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set
That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set
That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.
I was considering this, but I'm worried that, individually, they won't make MOQ.
Very ready! :thumb:
Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?
Very ready! :thumb:
Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?
Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.
In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.
Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.
In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.
Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.
wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9. It's not L9 vs U9. :eek:
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.
In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.
Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.
wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9. It's not L9 vs U9. :eek:
Pretty sure they mean L9 + U9 vs CR, but even then i'm pretty sure they're wrong. WoB is an incredibly popular colourway, it's essentially standard.
Would be nice to confirm the legend colour for the WoB, since newer sets use WS1 but apparently earlier sets might use something different?
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
Percentage-wise sure, but that's not on the same scale. This is a relatively small set, so the cost will be smaller accordingly.
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.
In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.
Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.
People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.
Very ready! :thumb:
Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?
Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.
It's using custom RGB codes that I personally chose.
Just kidding, L9 and U9 of course LOL
But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior :cool:
Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?basic support, i think it would just need these
R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift
Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter
Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p
Edit.
For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar :p
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But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior :cool:
Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?basic support, i think it would just need these
R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift
Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter
Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p
Edit.
For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar :p
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.
IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!
But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior :cool:
Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?basic support, i think it would just need these
R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift
Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter
Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p
Edit.
For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar :p
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.
IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!
Would love to take 2 kits as well :D
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I rather have it included in in this GB, Trim some keys down to only support WKL / Tsangan layout as it already contains 2x R5 1.5u "ctrl" keys.
Use a accent or reg OG ANSI/ISO Enter ( To keep it minimum ), cross fingers OP thinks its a good idea. :)
Imho, i rather pay the extra $$$ to gain 3 new sets in one go.
If the majority of the buyers only have 1 OG set ( OG WoB / OG beige ). I totally get why this just have to be slimmed down and people can slit the kit etc. :)
Here is a shot where i use the alcatel alphas with 9009 mods. Its a HS60 pcb, locked to 6.25 bottom row. Cry, but aleast i get to use the OG spacebar ^-^
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On my old OG-set from G80-1000 the sys rq on the prt sc key is pad printed green. Will you do this also?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4FDzn0U.jpg)
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.
I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.
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Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.
People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.
I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.
I'm aware almost every kit has extra keys for compatibility. Maybe unfair wasn't the right word but it made most sense to me to have the kits separate. The main reasoning behind that was that most extra keys don't account for half the kit itself.
However, it seems glubazoid has done his research and decided having it in one kit is the best option.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
Basically this ^
My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.
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Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.
People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.
Out of curiosity what is MOQ / price breakdowns if they are separate vs together (from what I've heard GMK is heavily biased towards larger kits compared to SP).
Unfortunately, the main goal of this set is to just have the top and bottom R0 and R5 rows :)
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.
Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.
You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.
I like the idea. Really really dislike the super though. Imo this kit is a reference to the og sets and should have a windows logo. Super feels wrong in every single way.
YES!!!
I still don't get why after GMK brought back the old "R5" and "R0" profiles, not all GBs switchted to using those. Instead most kept going with "R4" for the bottom row and and "R1" for the top/F.
yes
Read through the thread and didn't see this addressed, but it looks like the R5 1u and 2u Numpad 0 keys, as well as the r5 Numpad Delete key aren't the correct color, and should be the color of the F1-F4 instead of the color of the modifiers (unless I'm missing something).
ne updates
But classic retro is still going to happen?
Apart from lack of R0, 9009 R3 also slightly repositioned some mod legends, so even though it provided R5 for classic beige fans, it isn't 100% compatible with pre-existing sets. Maybe for those reasons it is still worthwhile moving forward with classic beige for this. (IMHO)But classic retro is still going to happen?
Hope so, but perhaps not given that 9009 R3 ran last year.
Hope to see WoB R5. Excited to see this move forward eventually.
R5 1u Fn plz
Seeing that WoB has been run, is there any chance of something similar in a 9009 colourway, or is this pretty much dead at this point
Hope to see WoB R5. Excited to see this move forward eventually.
hey, I'm running a gb with wob r5 starting in around a month (took over this with the creator's approval)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0