GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?

[baldgye]

While I know basically nothing, which all but renders my opinion worthless, it makes more sense (as they are at full capacity anyway) to make our first order with them a single cap at one standard profile that will work on all cherry boards.

[jeroplane]

All for Dolch being the first set made. I guess best to keep it simple and make it the original Dolch set plus Moogle? Or the other way round, Dolch w/ 1.25 mods, center stem, etc. plus separate Tsangan kit a la SP group buys.

[dirge]

I don't slate his group buy - I slate him!!
Seriously though, I think 7bit's biggest problem is simply an excess of optimism and enthusiasm. Or rather, that he hasn't matured enough to realise that yet.

I'd rather have a community with him than without, I agree I don't know where he gets the energy, but look at what he's doing at the moment, round4 isn't even out the door and he's designing 20 keyboard pcbs!  Guess I'm glass half full when it comes to 7bit

While I know basically nothing, which all but renders my opinion worthless, it makes more sense (as they are at full capacity anyway) to make our first order with them a single cap at one standard profile that will work on all cherry boards.

Your opinions not worthless bud, but if your packing hundreds of envelopes to send on with just one keycap in?  Or are you better off putting full keyboard sets in there?  The amount of effort organising collecting money etc is all similar.  So rather do full sets so the efforts worth it.



Just if your going to do an Escape key, get like 40 different colour combinations, go mental, really!  Get it out of geekhacks system so we're finally sick of them run it into the ground and then some

Just when your doing full sets http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4#US_.28US_layout_for_ISO_keyboards.29 do regional keys correctly, not some blank keys and a fat enter.  If your not willing to take on that work yourselves allow someone that will.

[damorgue]

I wonder how popular Graphite would be. Someone needs to make a poll.

[dirge]

All for Dolch being the first set made. I guess best to keep it simple and make it the original Dolch set plus Moogle? Or the other way round, Dolch w/ 1.25 mods, center stem, etc. plus separate Tsangan kit a la SP group buys.

No mate don't keep it simple, make sure that people can access the sets for their country.

[baldgye]

Yeah I was more thinking from there point of view, having to do a small run of something compared to there main orders, it's probablly easier for them to just do one profile key, and ship those out than do runs of full sets etc

[precarious]

I think Dolch is a pretty good candidate for a first run, since it's a pretty well-established set that people like, and there just isn't a complete authentic ANSI set available owing to the layout.

One thing I was really interested in that I don't recall being asked in this thread:  is it going to be possible to have Cherry profile space bars but with center stems to fit modern boards?  How about stepped Cherry caps locks with centered stems?  Those two would be great alongside a Dolch set if it could be done, perhaps have the sets include both the centered and off-centered version; not sure how that would play out exactly or if it's something GMK would be willing to produce.  Maybe that could come later on.

Also, if not Dolch, perhaps something similar but a little darker, more graphite-themed, as others mentioned.

[IvanIvanovich]

Full sets will get everything, all size of modifier, different style of caps lock, etc. We won't be f*cking about with kit this add on that. As for languages I am pretty set on doing it right. There is no reason to do it at all if halfassing it. I have some ideas about rolling most similar language layouts into one kit. This affords both minimize amount of options and avoid some language from possible drop due to too small order.  I already gave an example earlier with the Italian/Portuguese/Spanish/Swiss. Same would go for combine US/GB since there are only a few different key. Combine Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian/Danish probably. Still working on making the smartest groupings. Don't like have the extra key, well too bad. But I look at it like this, all the keys you could need you have it, you change your board you are covered.
Some things will be polled, some things will be decided by executive decision by Dan and I. If leave it 100% to the community nothing will get done and we all know it if being honest about it.

[The_Beast]

Lol, hardass lysol  is right. Everyone wants slightly different sets and sometimes things just need to get done

[dirge]

^ Perfect

[fuus]

Top man Lysol, our hearts are with you and Dan at this point! 

[absyrd]

Full sets will get everything, all size of modifier, different style of caps lock, etc. We won't be f*cking about with kit this add on that. As for languages I am pretty set on doing it right. There is no reason to do it at all if halfassing it. I have some ideas about rolling most similar language layouts into one kit. This affords both minimize amount of options and avoid some language from possible drop due to too small order.  I already gave an example earlier with the Italian/Portuguese/Spanish/Swiss. Same would go for combine US/GB since there are only a few different key. Combine Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian/Danish probably. Still working on making the smartest groupings. Don't like have the extra key, well too bad. But I look at it like this, all the keys you could need you have it, you change your board you are covered.
Some things will be polled, some things will be decided by executive decision by Dan and I. If leave it 100% to the community nothing will get done and we all know it if being honest about it.

I like this no-nonsense, straight-forward approach to a possible GB. A set will actually be a SET rather than a bunch of pieces that just confuse everything.

[aggiejy]

Some things will be polled, some things will be decided by executive decision by Dan and I. If leave it 100% to the community nothing will get done and we all know it if being honest about it.

Good route, but polls are quick and easy too.  As much as reasonable, you should try to put things to vote.  Would be different if it were a normal group buy, but in this case you're specifically asking people not to contact them so that makes what you're doing the only option.  You don't want paralysis by analysis for certain.

[IvanIvanovich]

We want as many people to get what they want as possible for sure so of course things like color options will be put to vote. I'm just saying things need to be kept in a firm grip, so everything remains clear and easy to understand. Also keep in mind this is going to be hopefully the first of many buy with GMK. We just want to keep it limited and as simple as possible for the first buy with them. So if a favorite color option is not picked the first time, there is no need to get upset, just need to be patient.

[Acetrak]

Thanks for taking the lead on this Lysol, any idea what the timeline might look like? (IC, polling, GB dates etc)

[IvanIvanovich]

As soon as we know more detail from GMK we will take the next steps into IC/voting mode.

[MMB]

I wouldn't go crazy with tons of different sets and configurations and end up like another 'round 4'.

[damorgue]

Excellent thoughts lysol.

[snoopy]

*hoping for german iso stuff*

[precarious]

lysol/dan 2016

[dirge]

*hoping for german iso stuff*

Think Lysol more or less confirmed it so yes mate

[IvanIvanovich]

No we aren't going to go crazy with ton of stuff. As outline before we are planning on doing a few smaller thing and then few full set. Full set will have maybe 3-4 language group option encompass as many as possible in as few sets as possible and thats it. Not everything will be attempt to be covered in this first buy. If things are too much option with little interest after votings things will be cut down to achive focus.

[DanGWanG]

^What lysol said =)

For now, we need to wait on some more specific details from GMK and that likely won't come until early next week at the earliest...

[GMC]

@aggiejy   GMK are asking people not to contact, not Lysol and Dan.

Completely behind Lysol's view here. A set to keep that will cover me if I switch boards.  Perfect

[IvanIvanovich]

Right, GMK made that request as they were being overwhelmed with request for info. They only have so much staff and time to answer questions. Especially when many of them are the same questions. So instead they will answer Dan, and Dan will answer you for now.

[The_Beast]

for now.

dun dun dunnnnnnnnn

[aggiejy]

Right, GMK made that request as they were being overwhelmed with request for info. They only have so much staff and time to answer questions. Especially when many of them are the same questions. So instead they will answer Dan, and Dan will answer you for now.

Right, that's what I meant, but same result.  I think your plan is great! I'm not complaining at all, just making sure there's an effort to include public input which it sounds like there is.  Awesome blossom.

[guilleguillaume]

I don't care about receiving extra keycaps with a set as long as the kit includes my layout.

My hope is that people realize that is selfish to kick out some regional layouts just because they want to have only the keycaps they need. The only GB that I remember that didn't forget about any layout is Round 3 and Round 4 and I think it is the way to go this time with GMK.

We have this fantastic and unique chance of pruchasing original Cherry keycaps and I think we all have to make sacrifices so that everyone has their own layout even if we have to receive extra keycaps we don't need. This is my thought and I guess some may agree with that.

Don't ruin this chance by kicking out minority layouts. All the layouts need some love

[rowdy]

I've always thought that including the extra keys is a good idea as it increases the resale value for people who do not have exactly the same layout as you did when you originally bought the keycaps.

[Peter]

May I suggest that we create a 'standard' language-pack for all the non-English users needs
and always offer it as an option, provided it meets minimum order ?
Like in the 'Dolch'-buys from SP .. I think it was 37 extra caps, covering most European needs ..

(I'm willing to pay real money for those caps, other non-English natives are probably also.
It would be nice to be able to just re-key, instead of having a danish, english and german keyboard)

[rayuki]

im just curious has any contact been made with these guys other then email? also why did they choose Dan? as a German company you think it would be easier to communicate with someone from Germany or Europe but i guess being a big company it doesn't really matter to them just curious is all.

im guessing Dan was the only one that didn't send an email like

"ZOMFG U HAZ CHERRY CAPZ CAN I HAS THEM PLZ!!!, HOW MANIES CAN I BUYZ RIGHT NOWSZZZ@!"

[alaricljs]

If I understand, Dan was the first drop of rain in the hurricane.  Early bird gets worms?

[OrangeJewce]

I've always thought that including the extra keys is a good idea as it increases the resale value for people who do not have exactly the same layout as you did when you originally bought the keycaps.

I really don't think increased resale value is something we should be thinking/worried about...

Cheers,

[fuus]

I've always thought that including the extra keys is a good idea as it increases the resale value for people who do not have exactly the same layout as you did when you originally bought the keycaps.

I really don't think increased resale value is something we should be thinking/worried about...

Cheers,

Resale value isn't just in a monetary sense!

[IvanIvanovich]

After spending some time reviewing various keyboard layouts, I have some good idea of what I think the best groupings are. Assuming it is cost effective we are pretty likely to take this approach of combinations. The only problem is what to do about some of the non alpha keys. Many nationalized layouts also have different legend for some of these like Bloq Mayús, Strg, Echap, Invio, etc. We could take the easy way and simply choose to ignore and omit these using common 'international' legends or US instead. However as one who enjoys collecting different language layout keysets I feel some of these are the most interesting keys in their respective layout. It would be a shame not to include them, though it will make things very difficult and likely much more costly to do so. There is some huge trade off there to consider.
I am thinking the best way to handle these is to include them in the 'modifiers pack' instead of the full sets.

[rindorbrot]

More caps = more better

[tsangan]

After spending some time reviewing various keyboard layouts, I have some good idea of what I think the best groupings are. Assuming it is cost effective we are pretty likely to take this approach of combinations. The only problem is what to do about some of the non alpha keys. Many nationalized layouts also have different legend for some of these like Bloq Mayús, Strg, Echap, Invio, etc. We could take the easy way and simply choose to ignore and omit these using common 'international' legends or US instead. However as one who enjoys collecting different language layout keysets I feel some of these are the most interesting keys in their respective layout. It would be a shame not to include them, though it will make things very difficult and likely much more costly to do so. There is some huge trade off there to consider.
I am thinking the best way to handle these is to include them in the 'modifiers pack' instead of the full sets.

So sorry to say for some of you that will want unusual things for your own special custom layouts, you won't get them so don't even make noise about it.

I hope this stays true for EVERYONE

I've always thought that including the extra keys is a good idea as it increases the resale value for people who do not have exactly the same layout as you did when you originally bought the keycaps.

I really don't think increased resale value is something we should be thinking/worried about...

Cheers,

No price quote has been given out yet still so who knows what the price would be, I hope a full set will run around $80 USD that would be amazingly awesome, as of right now
-brand new beige DS can be found for around $80~
-brand new black DS will run you $60-$70 this is for 1.5x mods, 1.25x mods costs a bit more
-used dolch was around $60-$80

[DanGWanG]

-brand new black DS will run you $60-$70 this is for 1.5x mods, 1.25x mods costs a bit more

Think you got that backwards =)

[tsangan]

-brand new black DS will run you $60-$70 this is for 1.5x mods, 1.25x mods costs a bit more

Think you got that backwards =)

Nah I picked up all my 1.5x sets for $50 give or take, my 1.5x set ran me for $75 iirc

I guess price at this exact moment is a bit different now as there's a influx in wanting 1.5x in every community

[SmallFry]

Black 1.5 mods are impossible to find in original cherry caps isn't it?

[DanGWanG]

Then you have been out of the market for a long time.  The 1.25x mods are still easy to come by...in fact, Reptile just tried to sell me 3x 8113 NIBs for less than $70/each.  I can't even find another set of 1.5x/7x mods lol

[tsangan]

Black 1.5 mods are impossible to find in original cherry caps isn't it?

Then you have been out of the market for a long time.  The 1.25x mods are still easy to come by...in fact, Reptile just tried to sell me 3x 8113 NIBs for less than $70/each.  I can't even find another set of 1.5x/7x mods lol

I can still find 1.5x/7x it's not unheard of

[DanGWanG]

Uh oh!!! we're busting out the pics now....



But in all seriousness, in today's market the black 1.5x mods and 7x spacebars aren't easy enough to come by to evaluate them at a lesser value than the 1.25x mods.

[tsangan]

"impossible" to find was dropped

Just showing its possible

[IvanIvanovich]

Typically it's easiest and cheapest to find black set with 1.25, and beige set with 1.5. Other colorways can vary greatly but most typical 1.5 or something totally odd. People that find the opposite are just lucky/have stupid amount of money to drop, or have some mystery hook up or something. In any case getting new sets made is the easiest way to solve these problems.

[tsangan]

Typically it's easiest and cheapest to find black set with 1.25, and beige set with 1.5. Other colorways can vary greatly but most typical 1.5 or something totally odd. People that find the opposite are just lucky/have stupid amount of money to drop, or have some mystery hook up or something. In any case getting new sets made is the easiest way to solve these problems.

I guess?

Mine was purchased just by searching on google and 2 pages later

http://www.tedss.com/2099001441

3 boards were purchased

[MMB]

Well I guess this won't be a problem anymore, right? I mean, now that every person can have everything they ever wanted *chuckle*

[IvanIvanovich]

I would call finding some random place that happened to have some old stock lucky. I got that same model NIB awhile back for really cheap as well from a different place. Most of time I find something on a random site that appears to be good, it turns out it was out of stock since 2006 and they forgot to update the page or something like this. On the other hand I seem to have quite good luck on ebay and taobao with used vintage stuff so...

In any case I am much more excited about the prospect of getting some hard to find or new colorways done.

[tsangan]

Oh definitely, those white on brown in the sample pic looks quite nice I have to say

[IvanIvanovich]

Indeed, I would love a mods set in that colors to go with this alphas...

would be one of few 2tone style colorway I would really want.