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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #750 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 21:55:16 »
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #751 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 22:02:13 »
Thanks bros~

but i cant receive your kiss,MMB. XD
i`ll consider if you wear lipstick.


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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #752 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 22:05:08 »

Thanks bros~


but i cant receive your kiss,MMB. XD
i`ll consider if you wear lipstick.


This will have to do, then:


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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #753 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 22:07:33 »
puhahahahahahaha


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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #754 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 00:50:13 »
Would it be possible to find out if they can make caps lock stylized like on the G80 2550? That with a center stem would be the greatest key ever.

If you just want the lock symbol, it is easy to get as it is standard on French keyboards:



and modding the cap to center stem is no big issue:





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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #755 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 02:55:36 »
^ That's neatly done.
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #756 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:04:11 »
MOQ for our sets have been delivered by GMK.  I'll be writing an essay later to include all the details necessary (moq, price, keycap sets, color polling, etc.)

But just to give everyone an idea of what individual keys cost.  Roughly the MOQ for individual keys is 500 pieces at just under $2 a piece.  So assuming EK bought 1-2k pieces, they likely got a little better pricing tier.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #757 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:11:47 »
Nice markup... :)


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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #758 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:13:24 »
500 sets... oof. Well I know I'll buy one!

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« Reply #759 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:16:47 »
Sounds good. Assuming some kind of groupbuy like lysols replica, which would be at least 20000 pieces, it should be possible to come down to $0,5 per key.

MOQ of 500 individual keys, i understand doesnt mean 500 sets which would be 50000 individual keys.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #760 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:23:18 »
500 MOQ per key, so the duplicate keys would be half the set count... if that makes sense. i.e. We would need only 250 sets of Windows, Control, and Alt in 1.25 and 1.5 to achieve the MOQ there, but if everything was as one pack we would need to have 500 sets total, thus having a different price tier (potentially) for the Windows, Control, and Alt keys, due to having 1000 of each of those.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #761 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:24:23 »
Pricing may be different for full sets as he said individual keys

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #762 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:24:51 »
That is no spacebars right? Really want a beige spacebar to match my other doubleshot keys.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #763 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:24:53 »
MOQ and pricing for individual keys doesn't necessarily carry over to larger sets.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #764 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:25:03 »
I'll have an indepth analysis of what key sets cost as well (what hash just said), so no need to speculate yet.  I just haven't time to break it all down yet, which is why a detailed post will have to come later

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #765 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:26:09 »
* SmallFry speculates anyways... :P Have fun digesting the info Dan!

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #766 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:29:16 »
They are a business and their only objective is to make money. So thats what they do or leverage/risk everything they have trying too anyways. Problem?

Nice markup... :)



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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #767 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:34:41 »
Even though the MOQ is somewhat high, the prices seem fairly low. Can't wait for the details.

MOQ of 400pcs at 20€ each can be considered to be MOQ 200pcs at 40€ each, and everyone gets two sets :P

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #768 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:36:44 »
250% is a good starting spot for an indeterminate market. 
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #769 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:38:25 »
They are a business and their only objective is to make money. So thats what they do or leverage/risk everything they have trying too anyways. Problem?

Nice markup... :)



No problems with that from this guy. You front the money, you're entitled to make a profit. Normal retail markup is from 1.3-1.6 times cost, but the keycap market is a bit different, I think.
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #770 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 11:52:55 »
Nice markup... :)

Cost*2.5?  Pretty standard universally.  It's designer brands that have the horrific markups, six, seven fold, sometimes more!

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« Reply #771 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 12:09:01 »
Ah, sorry, I think that might've come out a bit wrong. I meant it more like "we could've gotten it this much cheaper had we run a group buy instead". I bought three myself (and I guessed they had a relatively high markup) just to not have to wait like three months, so I'm perfectly fine with it! I probably would've done the same myself if I'd been a retailer. :>

Although I don't think you can say that 250% is neither low nor high markup, since that depends on what you're comparing it to. For example I don't think EK's markup on the Topre sets is anything near 250%, but I think that's perfectly reasonable. Compared to what asura said above though, 250% is pretty low. For example I bought a fake leather phone case a few days back, and the markup on that one is probably at least eight times the cost of manufacturing + research and development. ;)

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #772 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 13:04:24 »
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #773 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 13:12:00 »
500?  That might rule GMK out for one or two single novelty key GBs, unless they are really popular keycaps (like the Cherry red Esc).

Could someone like i3oiler, for example, justify buying that many of a single keycap?  No need to respond, i3oiler, just speculating :)
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #774 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 13:16:11 »
* SmallFry speculates anyways... :P Have fun digesting the info Dan!

Does that mean when he tells us what it's all about that it'll be like him pooping?  Cause that's just weird.

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« Reply #775 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 13:38:28 »
* SmallFry speculates anyways... :P Have fun digesting the info Dan!

Does that mean when he tells us what it's all about that it'll be like him pooping?  Cause that's just weird.
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« Reply #776 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:05:24 »
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« Reply #777 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:10:50 »
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #778 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:27:22 »
GB won't happen till after our colors interest poll passes.  The interest check comes up tonight, sorry for any confusion

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« Reply #779 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:33:41 »
I am confuse, Dan.....very confuse

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #780 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:34:16 »
Can't wait for the IC! :D
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #781 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 14:56:50 »
Just as long as any keycaps are not digested first.
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« Reply #782 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 21:24:35 »
Can we still speculate about things or is that over
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« Reply #783 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 21:28:37 »
Really hoping for the unicorn colours.
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« Reply #784 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 21:50:30 »
Really hoping for the unicorn colours.

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« Reply #785 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:08:00 »
Dan, when will you finish your book?

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #786 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:14:05 »
Really hoping for the unicorn colours.

Yup, I want to arrange a rainbow upon GH

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #787 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:14:28 »
I will put the book up in a few 45 minutes
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« Reply #788 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:16:33 »
Really hoping for the unicorn colours.

Yup, I want to arrange a rainbow upon GH

How is it that I'm seeing you mean rainbow as if it's a plague?


Hope that worked, never posted YouTube from my phone.
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« Reply #789 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:18:24 »
It didn't.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #790 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:25:15 »
Now?

It is now a clickable link.  I don't click youtube links because my roommate and his fiancee have ruined surprise youtube links for me.  Sorry.

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« Reply #791 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:28:03 »
Now?

It is now a clickable link.  I don't click youtube links because my roommate and his fiancee have ruined surprise youtube links for me.  Sorry.

FFS you difficult man! I'll have it fixed within 2 minutes....*rabblerabble*

Fixed
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #792 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:32:20 »
Now?

It is now a clickable link.  I don't click youtube links because my roommate and his fiancee have ruined surprise youtube links for me.  Sorry.

FFS you difficult man! I'll have it fixed within 2 minutes....*rabblerabble*

Fixed

You made it worse, I'm not clicking that face.  Would you click that face?  I didn't think so.

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« Reply #793 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:33:46 »
Now?

It is now a clickable link.  I don't click youtube links because my roommate and his fiancee have ruined surprise youtube links for me.  Sorry.

FFS you difficult man! I'll have it fixed within 2 minutes....*rabblerabble*

Fixed

You made it worse, I'm not clicking that face.  Would you click that face?  I didn't think so.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #794 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 23:43:05 »
Now?

It is now a clickable link.  I don't click youtube links because my roommate and his fiancee have ruined surprise youtube links for me.  Sorry.

FFS you difficult man! I'll have it fixed within 2 minutes....*rabblerabble*

Fixed

You made it worse, I'm not clicking that face.  Would you click that face?  I didn't think so.

Its from a kids show! CMON! It is exactly what I want to say to you right now!

This has certainly been an interesting night.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #795 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 00:40:16 »
I clicked it.

Not sure I'd let my daughter watch that.
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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #796 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 00:42:15 »
I clicked it.

Not sure I'd let my daughter watch that.

Haha it's a pretty messed up show. But I think it's fine for kids. And messed up enough for adults to enjoy some laughs.

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« Reply #797 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 00:55:17 »
So is South Park.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #798 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 00:58:41 »
So is South Park.

I wouldn't let kids watch south park. I wouldn't compare those two shows at all.

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Re: GMK-electronic make cherry keycap ?
« Reply #799 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 01:29:20 »
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