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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #400 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 11:40:45 »
Not done yet.  komar is doing a prototype board.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #401 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 11:46:51 »
I think I'll make a separate thread for the GB. I can't collect money yet, because I don't know how much it'll cost to produce this kit.
I'm currently finalizing the pcb (finally), and when I have it, I'll contact the prototyping company and the assembly house. Then I may have some estimates.
So far I can tell you that the pricing from the first post is totally doable.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #402 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 12:51:46 »
I don't think the interest list matters anymore, as we have enough people already. But just in case, I expressed interest a couple pages back, my name was missed in the OP

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #403 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 13:36:10 »
I am also willing to build boards for those who dont want to or cant build it themselves.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #404 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 13:38:25 »
I wouldn't mind soldering some switches (I can't do surface mount stuff), but I'm not looking to do a ton of them
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #405 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 13:55:11 »
May be saving my Clears for this, instead of swapping them onto my Filco.  Or I've got a donor board ready to have the Blacks desoldered.  Haven't decided yet. 


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #406 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 16:17:11 »
Quick question: when the right shift is 1.75u instead of 2.75u, it doesn't need a stabilizer, right?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #407 on: Mon, 15 October 2012, 16:18:05 »
Quick question: when the right shift is 1.75u instead of 2.75u, it doesn't need a stabilizer, right?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #408 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 00:59:42 »
Interested! I would love a small form factor KB... and probably shell out for a WASD V2 later this year. Gonna need to sell my old boards soon to save my wallet!
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #409 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 08:44:56 »
Ok, so the PCB is nearly done now.
I decided to recess the USB connector a bit, because I didn't want to copy the poker's protruding part of pcb. It's about 0.8mm more towards the inside of the case compared to the poker, so it should be fine.

A little teaser for those of you waiting and waiting;)
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The image presents the bottom layer with the top layer just slightly visible and the bottom silkscreen. The view is from the top of the board, so labels are mirrored.
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This is also one of the last moments to find bugs and inform me about them;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #410 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 08:53:18 »
Bardzo ładne.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #411 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 09:27:27 »
I'm very interested!!!! OMG, it is one of my dream boards.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #412 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 09:36:43 »
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #413 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 09:40:55 »
My spoken Polish is much better then my written so I wasn't sure if that came out ok; I'm waiting for my daughter to start Polish school so she can teach me properly :D.

Anyway, on topic, sick board, can't wait for prototypes etc.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #414 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 10:03:12 »
Looks excellent so far...can't wait!
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #415 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 10:04:10 »
FYI, if your name didn't make it into the interest list in the OP, don't feel bad. I have a lot going on right now, and wading through this thread to update the interest list is not high on the priority list.

It doesn't really matter, anyway, since we definitely have enough interest to proceed with the group buy. We will open a thread in the Group Buy subforum once we have a prototype tested and ready to go with the full orders. This thread was just to get things moving, so that we could gauge what everyone wanted, and make this happen.

I would like to thank everyone for their interest and support. Hopefully, this will be a huge success, and people will get the keyboard they have been hoping for, e.g. first ever ISO-layout 60% keyboard.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #416 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 11:03:15 »
FYI, if your name didn't make it into the interest list in the OP, don't feel bad. I have a lot going on right now, and wading through this thread to update the interest list is not high on the priority list.

It doesn't really matter, anyway, since we definitely have enough interest to proceed with the group buy. We will open a thread in the Group Buy subforum once we have a prototype tested and ready to go with the full orders. This thread was just to get things moving, so that we could gauge what everyone wanted, and make this happen.

I would like to thank everyone for their interest and support. Hopefully, this will be a huge success, and people will get the keyboard they have been hoping for, e.g. first ever ISO-layout 60% keyboard.


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #417 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 12:19:44 »
We will open a thread in the Group Buy subforum once we have a prototype tested and ready to go with the full orders.
I hope this takes at least a month or I am forced to sell stuff to get money for this :/

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #418 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 12:36:46 »
I'm interested. Just want something programmable so I can have my Colemak layout on the go without any fuss. :)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #419 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 12:39:40 »
I hope this takes at least a month or I am forced to sell stuff to get money for this :/

komar007 has to get a prototype PCB made, The_Beast will get a prototype plate made, and we have to test everything to make sure there are no issues before we can even start the group buy. So yeah, looking at another month probably, at the least, before we start taking orders for anything.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #420 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 12:40:35 »
I'm interested. Just want something programmable so I can have my Colemak layout on the go without any fuss. :)

In a oneproduct aluminum case, naturally. :P
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #421 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 12:51:52 »
Will there be a run of cases to go with these boards?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #422 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 13:17:55 »
Will there be a run of cases to go with these boards?

Just get a OEM poker case, oneproduct, treble or imsto case. They should all work with this
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #423 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 14:11:44 »
Beast, isnt your plate for this going to be compatible for the pure aswell?


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #424 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 14:14:04 »
Beast, isnt your plate for this going to be compatible for the pure aswell?

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FYI the first pic wouldn't work with a pure since the pure has 4 1.25 mods on the left. That pic as only 3 mods on the left

Nope, the one I'm running currently is just for the poker. You could modify it to fit the pure, but it's not designed for the pure
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #425 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 14:44:06 »
Will there be a run of cases to go with these boards?

Just get a OEM poker case, oneproduct, treble or imsto case. They should all work with this

Easier said that done. imsto only runs the GB at certain times and in rounds. The last round is over, and we're not even sure if he'll do additional rounds in the future. treble is still MIA, not sure when his CNC machines will be up running again. And lastly, to use an OEM poker/pure case, we're expected to spend $100+ for the whole keyboard just for the case?

Maybe I can design one for CNC out of aluminum, thick and with brass plates to add even more weight to it. Something like this:





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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #426 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:41:32 »
That's a handsome case.  In red would be perfect for a red alert set.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #427 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:47:15 »
Beast, isnt your plate for this going to be compatible for the pure aswell?

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FYI the first pic wouldn't work with a pure since the pure has 4 1.25 mods on the left. That pic as only 3 mods on the left

Nope, the one I'm running currently is just for the poker. You could modify it to fit the pure, but it's not designed for the pure

NOt sure you understood me.

You are going to make a plate for this GH60 board, yes?

The GH60 schematic is the one in my post.

Beneath it is a KBT Pure.

THey are the same?

SO this plate of yours will fit not only GH60, but also Pure?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #428 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:49:09 »
No, the plate will not fit a pure without modification, it is designed for the poker which has a different switch layout. And as far as I'm aware, there isn't any design plans for a plate for the baby phantom.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #429 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:57:53 »
Will there be a run of cases to go with these boards?

Just get a OEM poker case, oneproduct, treble or imsto case. They should all work with this

Easier said that done. imsto only runs the GB at certain times and in rounds. The last round is over, and we're not even sure if he'll do additional rounds in the future. treble is still MIA, not sure when his CNC machines will be up running again. And lastly, to use an OEM poker/pure case, we're expected to spend $100+ for the whole keyboard just for the case?

Maybe I can design one for CNC out of aluminum, thick and with brass plates to add even more weight to it. Something like this:


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From treble's thread, he's saying that they hope to be back going by November.  I doubt this will be completed by then so why add another thing to the process right now?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #430 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:59:13 »
Honestly I don't see the point of a metal case for a plateless keyboard...

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #431 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 17:03:41 »
Beast, isnt your plate for this going to be compatible for the pure aswell?
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FYI the first pic wouldn't work with a pure since the pure has 4 1.25 mods on the left. That pic as only 3 mods on the left

Nope, the one I'm running currently is just for the poker. You could modify it to fit the pure, but it's not designed for the pure

NOt sure you understood me.

You are going to make a plate for this GH60 board, yes?

The GH60 schematic is the one in my post.

Beneath it is a KBT Pure.

THey are the same?

SO this plate of yours will fit not only GH60, but also Pure?

As far as I know, I'm running a GB for the plates for the GH60

I see both of those pictures. The plate will NOT fit a pure, look at the bottom mods. There are 4 1.25 mods on the pure, there are only 3 on that plate so it won't work.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #432 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 17:33:24 »
There is going to be a plate in the GH60 its already bee talked about, actuallly there will probably have to be a few different ones to cater to the different layouts. I vote for a metal case for this thing, I wasnt able to get one for my Phantom because of the 7bit layout (not that im not happy with my phantom, i am its just that I would be happier if I had a metal case ;) )

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #433 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 18:00:00 »
Oh, cool.  Guess I misunderstood.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #434 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 19:03:19 »
O and a note for me the heavier the better for the case I like me stuff to fell SOLID!

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #435 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 19:04:35 »
Maybe design a case using plates and have the bottom few layers be brass
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #436 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 20:31:24 »
If someone wants to step up and design a new Poker/Pure/GH60 aluminum case, feel free. You don't even have to wait for this GB to do it. If you want to run the GB at the same time as this one, that would also be fine, and we could link to your case GB from the GH60 GB. But I don't feel we need to include a case with this, as that is the whole point of making it compatible with the Poker/Pure cases, already extant from either those stock keyboards, or from previous/ongoing group buys.

As far as the plates go, that is really up to The_Beast how many options he wants to include. But I think we should try to keep it to about four options, like the Phantom GB was, in order to lessen confusion and to make things easier for everyone. I was thinking ANSI winkey (Poker replica), ANSI winkeyless, ISO winkey, and ISO winkeyless. Anyone wanting another layout, such as the 1.75 right shift, or the lysol bottom row, could either just do it with PCB mount switches, or they could order a specific plate on a case-by-case basis after the GB is completed.

One thing you have to keep in mind when you see group buys come up here on Geekhack, for example the imsto/oneproduct/treble318 aluminum cases, you should buy for what you think you will want in the future, not what you currently own.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #437 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 20:42:44 »
As far as the plates go, that is really up to The_Beast how many options he wants to include. But I think we should try to keep it to about four options, like the Phantom GB was, in order to lessen confusion and to make things easier for everyone. I was thinking ANSI winkey (Poker replica), ANSI winkeyless, ISO winkey, and ISO winkeyless. Anyone wanting another layout, such as the 1.75 right shift, or the lysol bottom row, could either just do it with PCB mount switches, or they could order a specific plate on a case-by-case basis after the GB is completed.

As long as:
1. dwg is provided to me
2. You understand that one phantom plate won't net you any discounts vs 70 poker plates

I'll run any plate. BTW I'll be pm'ing lister soon about running phantom plates. I should be able to run this GB after my poker GB wraps up and pick up the plates sometime during my Christmas break (after Dec. 23rd and almost all of January). If I runs later than that, it shouldn't be a huge issue, but that's when it's most convenient to me.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #438 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 20:46:40 »
As long as:
1. dwg is provided to me
2. You understand that one phantom plate won't net you any discounts vs 70 poker plates

I'll run any plate. BTW I'll be pm'ing lister soon about running phantom plates. I should be able to run this GB after my poker GB wraps up and pick up the plates sometime during my Christmas break (after Dec. 23rd and almost all of January). If I runs later than that, it shouldn't be a huge issue, but that's when it's most convenient to me.

I only mentioned Phantom as comparison for having four plate options available. Otherwise someone (not me) is going to have to design plates for every conceivable option that exists on the PCB for mounting. Sorry for the confusion. :P
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #439 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 20:53:50 »
As long as:
1. dwg is provided to me
2. You understand that one phantom plate won't net you any discounts vs 70 poker plates

I'll run any plate. BTW I'll be pm'ing lister soon about running phantom plates. I should be able to run this GB after my poker GB wraps up and pick up the plates sometime during my Christmas break (after Dec. 23rd and almost all of January). If I runs later than that, it shouldn't be a huge issue, but that's when it's most convenient to me.

I only mentioned Phantom as comparison for having four plate options available. Otherwise someone (not me) is going to have to design plates for every conceivable option that exists on the PCB for mounting. Sorry for the confusion. :P

I was planning on doing a mix bag of plate designs, including the phantom (if lister oks it) and pure (if dwg is provided). If the timing it right, I'll do the GH60 plates at the same time.


I think komar said that plate dwg shouldn't take more than 5 minutes because he has the PCB designed/drawn and it would be easy for him to make plated dwgs from that. So it's really up to komar on what plates he wants to draw. Like I said I'll run ANYTHING as long as a dwg is provided (I already had the guy cut a tool to remove the tops to switches ^__^)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #440 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 21:03:05 »
How much for that switch top remover? I need one!
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #441 on: Tue, 16 October 2012, 21:04:54 »
How much for that switch top remover? I need one!

IDK yet, I don't think it will be too much. I was going to buy a couple while I'm doing the poker plates. The one I'll be getting in a few days is just a test to see if it works or if it needs any changes
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #442 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 04:22:46 »
What about the price? 100 USD is way too much for the volume we are looking at.
Plate is less than 20
PCB is less than 20
Controller is less than 20
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #443 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 04:29:33 »
The pricing is not available yet. I'm on the point of contacting assembly and pcb companies.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #444 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 16:44:45 »
Has anyone ever considered two 3x keys rather than a 6x spacebar? I only ever hit space with one thumb, and the other thumb could be used for something more useful than sitting there doing nothing.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #445 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 16:46:47 »
I had that idea a while ago, before phantom even finished, but the problem was that you can't get that custom spacebar. You can let SP, but it'll cost too much. No other standard cap will be a perfect size for 2 space bars.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #446 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 16:49:40 »
Interesting idea there...

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #447 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 16:56:12 »
I want mine to be 2.25/1.75/2.25, 3 is better than 2 ;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #448 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 17:43:42 »
That's doable, but you're ok with sharp corners for your thumb?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #449 on: Wed, 17 October 2012, 18:22:05 »
I know there was talk about changing the pcb so that the backspace key was split in two, a la hhkb. That way there could be a dedicated delete and/or escape key. But your prototype doesn't have that option. I know the object is to offer as many layouts as possible but I also know that it would mean even more plate configurations. I for one would be interested in this idea and would like to see it implemented. Other than that, this project looks awesome!

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