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Title: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: KeypressGraphics on Tue, 21 April 2015, 15:46:44
...because owning one makes you shrug your shoulders at other keyboards, making it harder to convince yourself you "need" to buy one?   :cool:


I haven't owned mine that long but this is how I'm starting to feel. Admittedly the Type-S is calling and I'd like to try a RF 87U to feel the difference a plate makes.
If only the HHKB was a better platform for customization. MX key compatibility is one of the few things lacking but the stock caps are awesome anyway.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: epzy on Tue, 21 April 2015, 15:47:22
nope :P
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 21 April 2015, 15:55:27
"regrete" and "hhkb" should not be in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sygaldry on Tue, 21 April 2015, 16:10:22
I regret it very much... because it has made almost every other keyboard feel sub par in comparison.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 21 April 2015, 16:15:06
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Novus on Tue, 21 April 2015, 16:15:23
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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:02:55
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<3 you OP
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: uJalled on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:29:52
I haven't regretted buying anything less since my PS2, 101% worth the money
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: bcredbottle on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:36:38
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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: thefebruaryman on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:40:54
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: bcredbottle on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:46:13
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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: epzy on Tue, 21 April 2015, 18:05:14
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?

feels great, looks great, is g.o.a.t.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 21 April 2015, 18:42:50
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
for $235, hopefully the best plastic known to man
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 21 April 2015, 18:46:29
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?

Why do people think sex is greater than masturbation?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 21 April 2015, 18:46:57
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
for $235, hopefully the best plastic known to man
It's more than plastic, mang. It's all the innocence and love in the world compacted into a 60% keyboard.  :D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: TopreFan333 on Tue, 21 April 2015, 19:27:31
Don't regret it for a minute. I *look forward* to typing at this point, way more than I did with my previous Cherry-based board (which now feels pretty crude and rough by comparison).

And as far as lack of customization options, I'm starting to see that as a plus because I'm not blowing $100 every time some "better" keycaps come along that I will also get tired of, or ****ing around changing little details constantly just because I can.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 21 April 2015, 19:28:13
While I don't regret buying my HHKB, I do regret going with the type-s over the regular. I'm very happy with the board either way though.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: derb2k2 on Tue, 21 April 2015, 19:37:27
ah! Some great replies here.

Basically, the HHKB is worth the price of admission. The only regret I have is not getting the Type-S
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: spiceBar on Tue, 21 April 2015, 19:58:25
Yes I regret purchasing it.

Poor build quality for an excessive price: squeaky case and rattling space bar.

No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.

The default layout is almost unusable for me.

Mine has Hasu's alternate controller, so I can remap it easily to a more usable layout. That's the only reason I keep this keyboard. But still, the price is absolutely unjustifiable.

Well... Actually the price needs a lot of justifications/excuses, and you will find plenty in this thread.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: bcredbottle on Tue, 21 April 2015, 20:39:54
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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 21 April 2015, 20:43:07
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.
I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ludovician on Tue, 21 April 2015, 20:46:53
I regret buying my first HHKB, because I was hasty and bought it from an overpriced ebay vendor, and I bought the standard version instead of the Type-S.

I do not regret buying my Type-S.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Synless on Tue, 21 April 2015, 22:05:09
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

It's really a combination of the default layout, Topre switches, and default PBT Keycaps. If you lose any of those three things the separation from other 60% boards is gone. I definitely recommend giving it a shot if you get a chance. 

Now the question you should really be asking is this: "If the Pok3r came with both a 45g and 55g Topre switch option would the HHKB still be king?"

And that is something I can't really answer.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: spiceBar on Wed, 22 April 2015, 01:06:14
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.
I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place

That's correct. It has taken me a while to come to this conclusion, because I really wanted to use the 60% layout.

And for this reason and for the build quality my opinion is that the FC660C is much better than the HHKB. But it's difficult to find now.

The Cherry MX version however, the FC660M, is available at this time from several places. And it's a good keyboard too.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 22 April 2015, 02:45:11
I definitely think some improvements can be made to the HHKB layout.  The only thing I think would NEED to stay is the backspace position..which is far superior...

If you added another key and used capslock as FN instead of CTRL, that's not a bad choice.and it would free up the easy use of IJKL as arrow keys like with the Poker 3..great way to use that space...barely need to move your hands to use arrow keys now..I think that is great...Some people like the gap in the HHKB layout where it is missing keys...I dunno..looks like...but I'm ok with improvements to the FN layer and utilizing that space...

But it still remains, if you need to use the FN layer a ton, 60%s are just not great for that...for most people they don't so it works out but if they did, it would suck...

So for me, a combination of the Poker 3 + HHKB Backspace position is ideal for me...now, what to do about keycaps...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 22 April 2015, 03:50:13
TYPE-S - 10/10
HHKB - 9/10
FC660C - 8.9/10
RF87U 45g - 8.5/10
NOVATOUCH - 7/10
POKER II - 5.7/10
ORION V2 SOON - idk
Title: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: steve.v on Wed, 22 April 2015, 03:55:03
I regret not getting one sooner. Bought a type-S, sold my ergodox/poker 2. Bought another HHKB (jap version) for work. One is fully programmable, the other will be soon. Mouse keys, Dual modifiers, layer togglebility (new word) == awesomeness. Did I mention I type Colemak?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: BLVCK on Wed, 22 April 2015, 04:15:44
I do not regret getting one. Love to carry some Topre goodness with me to work
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: fknraiden on Wed, 22 April 2015, 04:21:27
wow, the amount of fanboyism is basically a circlejerk.
****, im working on build 2 and 3 might end up being a type s.
the WH is REAL
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 22 April 2015, 05:34:49
I regret not getting one sooner. Bought a type-S, sold my ergodox/poker 2. Bought another HHKB (jap version) for work. One is fully programmable, the other will be soon. Mouse keys, Dual modifiers, layer togglebility (new word) == awesomeness. Did I mention I type Colemak?
Using Hasu's controller for the programmability?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 22 April 2015, 05:37:41
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.
I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I thought the 60% layout would be perfect for programming usage. Am I wrong thinking that?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 22 April 2015, 06:11:40
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.
I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I thought the 60% layout would be perfect for programming usage. Am I wrong thinking that?

It would have been perfect for me 20 years ago, when I was coding on UNIX platforms using vi... but I got used to more modern development environments and heavy use of arrow keys and mouse.

Damn, I feel old now. I was probably coding in vi before some of you VIM lovers were even born. Get off my lawn!

:q!




Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 22 April 2015, 06:12:36
It's really a combination of the default layout, Topre switches, and default PBT Keycaps. If you lose any of those three things the separation from other 60% boards is gone. I definitely recommend giving it a shot if you get a chance. 

Now the question you should really be asking is this: "If the Pok3r came with both a 45g and 55g Topre switch option would the HHKB still be king?"

And that is something I can't really answer.

Welcome to Geekhack!

Now that's an interesting question to ask in a first post!

Given the popularity of the Poker (2 mostly at the moment, but maybe to be supplanted by the 3), if the price was right I think you could have a very valid point!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: osi on Wed, 22 April 2015, 06:53:07
hell no
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sencha on Wed, 22 April 2015, 07:09:37
My only regret was moving from a HHKB standard to Type-S hated. the sound  and feel of that board in comparison to the stock. Sold and got a new standard. All is well in the world and it was bugging me to try one out so nice to be free from that urge.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ludovician on Wed, 22 April 2015, 07:18:31
What did you dislike about it? I can't really feel a difference between my HHKB and my Type-S, but I can understand disliking the sound. Was it the whistling?

I don't mind the clacking of the standard HHKB at home, but I needed a silenced one for uni.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 22 April 2015, 07:21:26
I need to use the arrow keys a bit for work and getting used to the Fn layer was easy for me.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sencha on Wed, 22 April 2015, 07:47:06
What did you dislike about it? I can't really feel a difference between my HHKB and my Type-S, but I can understand disliking the sound. Was it the whistling?

I don't mind the clacking of the standard HHKB at home, but I needed a silenced one for uni.


The tighter tolerances on the switches made them feel a little rougher which never went away on mine. But losing the sound of the stock HHKB was the biggest thing. The Type-S to me is just lifeless without that sound, if was the first time I got the expensive rubber dome comparison. I bet if the Type-S was the cheaper option and the stock was more expensive I'm sure you'd see a lot more people praising the stock for the beautiful way that it sings. By all means go for the Type-S if you need to be quite but if not get the stock and enjoy that amazing song.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: JPG on Wed, 22 April 2015, 08:09:59
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.


Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).


So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it  :p . Model F for life!!!!




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I am ready for the war!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: steve.v on Wed, 22 April 2015, 09:07:49

During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.


Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).


So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it  :p . Model F for life!!!!




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I am ready for the war!
This topic is for people who bought one.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: CaplockJack on Wed, 22 April 2015, 09:30:30
No, I haven't bought one.

Yet.

#hype
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: spiceBar on Wed, 22 April 2015, 16:58:41

During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.


Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).


So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it  :p . Model F for life!!!!




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I am ready for the war!
This topic is for people who bought one.

I guess only people who still have one can post, then? Because the question is about "your" HHKB.

Does it excludes people who didn't like it and have sold it? Because when you sell it it's not yours anymore. :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Axollott on Wed, 22 April 2015, 17:23:13
10 points for a perfectly valid answer.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: steve.v on Wed, 22 April 2015, 18:01:19


During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.


Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).


So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it  :p . Model F for life!!!!




(Attachment Link)


I am ready for the war!
This topic is for people who bought one.

I guess only people who still have one can post, then? Because the question is about "your" HHKB.

Does it excludes people who didn't like it and have sold it? Because when you sell it it's not yours anymore. :)

Keyword: bought
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 23 April 2015, 06:25:11
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.

I'm sure you've read that for many, it takes awhile to really understand and feel the difference between a normal rubber dome keyboard and a Topre....You basically went through what some people do when they buy it..try it for 5 minutes, put it on the classifieds....

But fair enough, whatever you prefer is what you prefer.  Having had more than my fair share of Model F and Model M, I wouldn't dream of using those over Topre....
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Matter on Thu, 23 April 2015, 18:47:36
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: tkim on Sat, 25 April 2015, 05:42:45
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.

I agree with this statement.


Apologies but since there are a few owners in here, Semi-off topic question - Seeing as the FC660C is known for a heavier actuation has anyone gone and tried dome swapping with a HHKB? To get a heavier feel?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 25 April 2015, 06:17:42
Don't post here if you have stolen your hhkb or if it was a present. Neither if your boss has actually purchased an hhkb for you.

Keyword: pedantic op




During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.


Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).


So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it  :p . Model F for life!!!!




(Attachment Link)


I am ready for the war!
This topic is for people who bought one.

I guess only people who still have one can post, then? Because the question is about "your" HHKB.

Does it excludes people who didn't like it and have sold it? Because when you sell it it's not yours anymore. :)

Keyword: bought
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 25 April 2015, 07:35:19

The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 25 April 2015, 13:56:19

The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.

Once I tried it out for a while, I came to love it.  It was the FC660C and the NovaTouch that were uninspiring.  I still have a hard time with the HHKB price tag, but it's my go to board at home.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 26 April 2015, 09:20:13
does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 26 April 2015, 10:02:50
The HHKB Pro 2 is the best keyboard purchase I've made. The layout is perfect for me, so there is no need for reprogramming it. Although I like the HHKB Pro 2 as it is, there were some things I decided to change, so I added Topre silencing rings and 55g domes to a black HHKB and dressed it up a bit with blue alphanumeric keycaps plus red Esc and Fn keys. 60% is my favorite form factor, and I've tried others in this category (including Poker II, Tex Beetle, V60 Matias Quiet, and V60 Matias Click). The V60 Matias Click comes close to being my top pick, but the HHKB Pro 2 still wins.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 27 April 2015, 03:41:24
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.


I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.


does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
 


I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sencha on Mon, 27 April 2015, 07:23:21
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.

I agree with this statement.


Apologies but since there are a few owners in here, Semi-off topic question - Seeing as the FC660C is known for a heavier actuation has anyone gone and tried dome swapping with a HHKB? To get a heavier feel?

My FC660C is lighter then my HHKB. It basically feels in between the HHKB and he 45g Realforce.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 27 April 2015, 09:25:36
I don't regret not buying one...  <layout, flexibility, sliding feet, rubber domes, sore fingers, different material spacebar, price = no thanks>
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 27 April 2015, 09:50:17
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.


I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.


does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
 


I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.

Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 27 April 2015, 10:02:07
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.


I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.


does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
 


I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.

Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: trigun0x2 on Mon, 27 April 2015, 12:22:17
Just got one last week and thought I fully regretted it due to how squishy the switches were (I usually use clears/blues).

After taking it with me for the weekend, all has changed.

That layout is amazing and I'm liking the feel more and more. NO REGRETS  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sencha on Mon, 27 April 2015, 16:32:44
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.


I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.


does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
 


I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.

Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.

Gotta agree. I didn't like the feel or sound of the type S at all. The stock switches are a joy though. Sold my type-s and bought another stock.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Mon, 27 April 2015, 16:44:04
yes.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Mon, 27 April 2015, 16:44:48
oh wait, i didnt buy mine so no.

i do regret wasting all that money on other crap instead of going straight to it since it's the board i wanted since the beginning.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: TopreFan333 on Mon, 27 April 2015, 16:55:26
oh wait, i didnt buy mine so no.

i do regret wasting all that money on other crap instead of going straight to it since it's the board i wanted since the beginning.

Same. My Cherry-based board brings me no joy now and I'll be selling it soon.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Synless on Mon, 27 April 2015, 21:31:07
oh wait, i didnt buy mine so no.

i do regret wasting all that money on other crap instead of going straight to it since it's the board i wanted since the beginning.

Same. My Cherry-based board brings me no joy now and I'll be selling it soon.

Thirded. Bought a Kul with reds as my first MK a few weeks ago and loved it. The Kul is a tank. Mulled over what I was going to get as a work kb and took a shot on the HHKB. I'll probably be buying a second HHKB soon and selling the Kul.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Axollott on Tue, 28 April 2015, 01:50:31
What is the best (considering pricing, consumer support, shipment rates, warranty policies)  place to get the HHKB?  I was thinking in buying a Leopold 660 or backlit Pok3r  (whatever I can get my hands on first)  but following this thread is messing my head up so badly. D:  I haven't ever touched a topre and no way to do it unless I get it online. I'm in México, this place is still pretty uncivilized.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 28 April 2015, 01:58:44
What is the best (considering pricing, consumer support, shipment rates, warranty policies)  place to get the HHKB?  I was thinking in buying a Leopold 660 or backlit Pok3r  (whatever I can get my hands on first)  but following this thread is messing my head up so badly. D:  I haven't ever touched a topre and no way to do it unless I get it online. I'm in México, this place is still pretty uncivilized.

I would just keep an eye out on the GH classified ads and also reddit.com/r/mechmarket I bought my HHKB for $215 USD shipped and it is the greatest keyboard I have owned. I am new to the community, but I have already had 4 other keyboards in the past month. The only other one I truly loved is my poker ii with mx browns.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 28 April 2015, 07:29:17

I have never regretted owning the HHKB.

If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.

Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.


I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.


does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?

also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
 


I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.

Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.

Gotta agree. I didn't like the feel or sound of the type S at all. The stock switches are a joy though. Sold my type-s and bought another stock.
 


The type-s still has some tactility but it is definitely lessen by the landing pads. I don't know if I'll take an HHKB again. The board is beautiful but the lack of programmability annoys me even though you can add Hasu's controller but I don't like the idea of losing the USB port.

yes.


Damn he rose from the dead!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: tribade on Tue, 28 April 2015, 17:59:35
The only thing I regret about buying my HHKB is that it's in Philly right now and I'm not and I have no idea whether it's survived in decent condition  :p  Hopefully I'll have it back soon.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Axollott on Fri, 01 May 2015, 06:12:01
What is the best (considering pricing, consumer support, shipment rates, warranty policies)  place to get the HHKB?  I was thinking in buying a Leopold 660 or backlit Pok3r  (whatever I can get my hands on first)  but following this thread is messing my head up so badly. D:  I haven't ever touched a topre and no way to do it unless I get it online. I'm in México, this place is still pretty uncivilized.

I would just keep an eye out on the GH classified ads and also reddit.com/r/mechmarket I bought my HHKB for $215 USD shipped and it is the greatest keyboard I have owned. I am new to the community, but I have already had 4 other keyboards in the past month. The only other one I truly loved is my poker ii with mx browns.
That's a decent price. I'm considering buying it from Amazon Japan, apparently my country has a commercial treaty with Japan making high tech products free of importing taxes. I'm still thinking / measuring my options.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 01 May 2015, 06:48:10
Since buying a HHKB, I have written 8 New York Times best selling novels because it feels so good to just keep typing. Maybe if I had bought a Korean custom I could have written 10. I regret everything.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 01 May 2015, 18:29:38
No, because I've personally bought only the Lite. It's helped me realize the layout is pretty stupid (or rather completely retarded), except for the backspace location.

ErgoDox on the other hand…
…or even Noppoo Choc Mini for that matter…
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 01 May 2015, 20:25:34
No, because I've personally bought only the Lite. It's helped me realize the layout is pretty stupid (or rather completely retarded), except for the backspace location.

ErgoDox on the other hand…
…or even Noppoo Choc Mini for that matter…


I'm not a big fan of the layout as well.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 03 May 2015, 03:16:01
I don't regret not buying one...  <layout, flexibility, sliding feet, rubber domes, sore fingers, different material spacebar, price = no thanks>

Just to provide a counterpoint for a couple of these:

Layout - what you make of it.

Flexibility - at least it has DIP switches, more than most keyboards, and you can replace the controller for more flexibility

Sliding feet - aftermarket rubber feet (like some other keyboards), or just a layer of drawer liner (which also dampens the bottom out sound to leave just the upstroke thock)

Rubber domes - The Ultimate Rubber Dome keyboard ;)

Sore fingers - 45g too much?  Swap for 30g domes :p

Different material spacebar - GB for PBT space bars (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66623.0)

Price - many say you pay for what you get :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: vvp on Sun, 03 May 2015, 04:48:40
Price - many say you pay for what you get :)
Like Monster Audio Cables (http://www.monsterproducts.com/Fiber_Optic_600dfo_High_Performance_Audio_Cable)?
Sorry, I could not resist. Although there is a correlation between quality and price, you cannot apply this reasoning to one particular case. I have nothing against HHKB. The only thing I know about it is that it is not for me since it is not a contoured matrix keyboard. And HHKB's price is dangerously near to Kinesis Advantage (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kinesis-advantage) (which has on-the-fly remap/macro). And if you are willing to swap controller, then you can do it on Kinesis too (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56923.msg1620078#msg1620078).
One could argue that HHKB is more portable. Well, why would I move it around? Some simple staggered keyboard will be available on the spot everywhere. Well, that is me. Some people probably like topre so much that they will haul a keyboard with them everywhere :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 03 May 2015, 05:55:09
Price - many say you pay for what you get :)
Like Monster Audio Cables (http://www.monsterproducts.com/Fiber_Optic_600dfo_High_Performance_Audio_Cable)?
Sorry, I could not resist. Although there is a correlation between quality and price, you cannot apply this reasoning to one particular case. I have nothing against HHKB. The only thing I know about it is that it is not for me since it is not a contoured matrix keyboard. And HHKB's price is dangerously near to Kinesis Advantage (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kinesis-advantage) (which has on-the-fly remap/macro). And if you are willing to swap controller, then you can do it on Kinesis too (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56923.msg1620078#msg1620078).
One could argue that HHKB is more portable. Well, why would I move it around? Some simple staggered keyboard will be available on the spot everywhere. Well, that is me. Some people probably like topre so much that they will haul a keyboard with them everywhere :)

Yeah, snake oil :))
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Herothereu on Sun, 03 May 2015, 23:10:40
Shoulda bought a Novatouch!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: yuppie on Wed, 20 April 2016, 08:12:10
I recently acquired a HHKB2. It's my first 60% and it's pretty nice. However, I'm coming from a apple fullsized keyboard and I've found I'm more dependent on arrow keys (and tilde being on the top left) than I thought I was. I really like how small the HHKB is but, I'm finding myself contorting my hand into odd shapes to hit home/end and the arrows. I never use my pinkies to type, which is most likely the main issue.

I've got an FC660C in the mail from /r/mechmarket and I hope that'll make me more comfortable. I've been looking at the 87UB as well, although it's not the most aesthetically pleasing board out there.

Do I regret buying it? Nah, it's a good board, just not for me. I should be able to sell it for more than I paid or trade it for something else.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: katzinator on Wed, 20 April 2016, 14:11:45
I'm a couple months into ownership of mine. While I really enjoy the Topre and compact size, the non-standard locations of keys like \ have proven to be a bit annoying when switching back forth between my laptop. I'm sure this will become less of an issue over time.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 April 2016, 14:48:42
I regret opening this thread.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 20 April 2016, 14:49:22
I regret opening this thread.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 20 April 2016, 15:33:35
No.

Nope.

Never.

Bought my first...loved it so much i then went and bought a second.

This has become my endgame board (if such a thing exists)

I'm actually selling off about 85% of my other keyboards because they see little to no use now.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 20 April 2016, 15:40:44
Bought a HHKB, sold it and got a Realforce 87u 55g instead.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 April 2016, 15:44:14
Bought a HHKB, sold it and got a Realforce 87u 55g instead.

55g RF GODLY switch
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 20 April 2016, 15:58:10
Bought a HHKB, sold it and got a Realforce 87u 55g instead.

I did the exact opposite, bought both preferred the HHKB sold the 55G RF 87U to a GH member.

Different "key"strokes for different folks i guess.  I personally found the 55G too fatiguing for long term usage and the case mounted feeling of the HHKB preferable to the plate mounting on the RF when comparing both side by side.  The RF is an excellent board with zero complaints from me but i do prefer the HHKB overall.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: carmenohio on Wed, 20 April 2016, 16:35:40
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 20 April 2016, 16:49:48
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

It may not be popular but it's no less valid.  I learned early on in the keyboard game not every switch is for everyone.  And tastes evolve and change with time as well...had you asked me two years ago would i be using Topre i would have told you that you are insane and MX Switches for life.  There are switches i can not stand and simply do not get them...but obviously someone does or they would not be produced anymore.    Never quite understood those types that belittle someone else for not loving the switch of their own preference.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: itzmeluigi on Wed, 20 April 2016, 16:56:03
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:05:24
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.

As someone who went the opposite route and sold his Realforce and bought a second HHKB.  Mind if i ask out of curiosity why it is you felt that way?  I'm always curious of opinions and what leads to them when someone feels the opposite.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:05:56
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: itzmeluigi on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:32:25
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dante on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:39:20
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.

yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues.  I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: biocalves on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:42:20
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.

yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues.  I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.

How's the build quality on the PLUM? I have a friend who refuses to try my hhkb purely on the fact that there's no lighting option available on it (sigh) and if the PLUM can do justice to electro capacitives I may try to steer him that way.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dante on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:45:35
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.

yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues.  I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.

How's the build quality on the PLUM? I have a friend who refuses to try my hhkb purely on the fact that there's no lighting option available on it (sigh) and if the PLUM can do justice to electro capacitives I may try to steer him that way.

I don't know but I was ok with the build quality on my Royal Kludge boards which I think PLUM had a hand in.

I'm only looking at the PLUM mostly because it's 35g and comes in 75% layout.  Realforce has yet to sell a 87U 30g uniform board.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: biocalves on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:50:50
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.

yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues.  I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.

How's the build quality on the PLUM? I have a friend who refuses to try my hhkb purely on the fact that there's no lighting option available on it (sigh) and if the PLUM can do justice to electro capacitives I may try to steer him that way.

I don't know but I was ok with the build quality on my Royal Kludge boards which I think PLUM had a hand in.

I'm only looking at the PLUM mostly because it's 35g and comes in 75% layout.  Realforce has yet to sell a 87U 30g uniform board.

I'm interested in the PLUM for myself because of the 75% layout as well. The HHKB is my first 60% and I'm finding that I used all of my TKL layout before. BTW, as ridiculous as this is to gripe about I have 3 artisan topre caps and it already feels totally cluttered on my HHKB, so yeah I regret having a compact form factor that's easy to carry but doesn't consider my bling needs.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 20 April 2016, 18:06:56
Heard very mixed reviews on those PLUM boards, never have i heard anyone say they are an identical substitute for Topre though be it HHKB or RF or otherwise.  Seems opinions vary on them greatly, but personally not sure i would want to trust such a lesser known brand with such a niche based switch to begin with.  Same goes for the Royal Kludge keyboards hear so many mixed opinions on them it's hard to invest that kind of coin (especially should something go wrong it would be very hard to get warranty service or even a replacement dealing with anyone but Massdrop)

Those of you who have used both Topre and one of the knock off clones what are your thoughts comparing the two? (If anyone here even has owned one of each that is?)  I have yet to get to try one in person all i can say for certain watching some reviews of them is the sound profile is most definitely different (They sound more like popping bubbles in sauce than normal Topre).  I'd love to hear a direct comparison if anyone here has owned both before. 

I know it's a bit off topic of the original thread but i am none the less curious :p  I would not mind buying one as a backup beater as to keep my HHKB's safe but i have heard such varying thoughts on them.




Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 April 2016, 18:15:41
I regret buying mine.  Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches.  Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.

I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??

Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others.  I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though.  Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.

well you know what to do with it
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: vegs on Thu, 21 April 2016, 02:15:29
Getting a second HHKB in a couple of months



so no
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: gain on Thu, 21 April 2016, 02:20:02
I went straight to a JP Pro Type-S and at first I was unaware of the concept of anything other than the standard ANSI layout, once the head-scratching was done I've come to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately, I like the feel and sound of silenced 45g so much that everything else in the Topre lineup feels like arse to me, I'm curious about the hi-pro keyboards though.

Not interested in the normal HHKB at all though, don't like the lack of an arrow cluster.

That said, I have no regrets  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 21 April 2016, 02:41:51
Had HHKB for three days now. Still getting used to the layout and everything. This is my first 60% so I need to get used to that too. At first I didn't like the layout but Topre feels wonderful. At first I thought that maybe I've made a mistake but now I'm getting better and I like it. Would be better if it was programmable though.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 21 April 2016, 02:47:28
Nope.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Khers on Thu, 21 April 2016, 06:53:51
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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:33:54
First rule of keyboard real estate: Layout, layout, layout! For me, the HHKB layout is perfect. I also like the form factor, Topre switches, keycaps, and overall design/aesthetics of the board. I keep others in my rotation (including a custom 60% with brown Alps, V60MTS-C, IBM XT, RF87UB45, and RF87UB55), but I keep coming back to my (silenced and lubed) HHKB Pro 2.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dante on Thu, 21 April 2016, 11:42:52
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?

This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Tangtawan on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:28:05
Seeing many people defending their purchases here.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:47:34
Seeing many people defending their purchases here.

Not really defending honestly, the original question was do you regret buying your HHKB?  And while some definitely do i would say most do not either opinion is just as valid since it's subjective. Having owned/still owned.
Cherry MX Clears
Cherry MX Greens
Cherry MX Blues
Cherry MX Reds
Cherry MX Browns
Kailh Browns
Kailh Blues

And those are just ones i owned or still own not counting ones i have borrowed/tried the HHKB has been my personal favorite board(Enough so i am selling most of my other boards)....but that is my own opinion it's not for everyone and i totally respect that.

It's hardly "defending" Though if you are just stating your own opinion of the board in question.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:50:16
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?

This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.

that's one thing ive hated about the hhkb. the inconsistency of it when it comes to crooked keys. my type s is perfect tho.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: gohono3 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 15:55:10
My only regret going with the HHKB is that now I want to buy the Type-S, when I initially couldn't justify the $300 price tag.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 22 April 2016, 15:58:49
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?

This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.

Thanks for pointing this out, jerk.

I never even thought to look.

My "1" key is cocked off to the right a bit. Rest are good, though.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: n3ro on Fri, 22 April 2016, 18:52:51
My only regret going with the HHKB is that now I want to buy the Type-S, when I initially couldn't justify the $300 price tag.

If you add Hypersphere's silencing rings to your regular HHKB, that should basically make it a Type-S since both have same type of sliders.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:05:14
If you add Hypersphere's silencing rings to your regular HHKB, that should basically make it a Type-S since both have same type of sliders.

Is hypersphere's just a flat rubber ring/spacer? What material is it?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:17:19
I do not regret buying my HHKB. It's one of the best purchases I have made. I must admit though that quality is lower than I expected: some keycaps are on the stem with a slight twist and the spacing is a little of. That, plus the rubber feet are too slippery.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: alexjd99 on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:41:46
Why would I regret buying the best keyboard?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:49:48
I do not regret buying my HHKB. It's one of the best purchases I have made. I must admit though that quality is lower than I expected: some keycaps are on the stem with a slight twist and the spacing is a little of. That, plus the rubber feet are too slippery.

I have not had any of the twisted keycap/crooked cap issues on either of my HHKB's that i can see anyway that several seem to mention...

However i do agree the Feet suck..were it not for the fact my wrist rest keeps it from slipping i would be making my own for the board.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: appleonama on Sat, 23 April 2016, 10:51:35
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: mason on Sat, 23 April 2016, 11:17:05
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 23 April 2016, 11:20:27
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.

Maybe they regret not buying one sooner. :P
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: mason on Sat, 23 April 2016, 11:51:04
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:14:21
I do not regret buying my HHKB. It's one of the best purchases I have made. I must admit though that quality is lower than I expected: some keycaps are on the stem with a slight twist and the spacing is a little of. That, plus the rubber feet are too slippery.

I have not had any of the twisted keycap/crooked cap issues on either of my HHKB's that i can see anyway that several seem to mention...

However i do agree the Feet suck..were it not for the fact my wrist rest keeps it from slipping i would be making my own for the board.

The feet are easy to fix. The caps as well... I just swapped some on the homerow. But still, if you spend like 200$ on what must be the supreme ultra 2000 kb of them all (or at least that is what people make you believe), you expect it to be flawless. And although the HHKB is near perfect, I do not expect crappy feet on a 200$ keyboard.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:15:04
Honestly... are there people here around who truly DO regret the HHKB? There must be some.. Feel free to speak up. Topre is not endgame for everybody.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: derb2k2 on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:20:57
HHKB reigns supreme.

Definitely my favorite keycaps too. I transplanted them onto my FC660 since the stock PBT lack a nice texture.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 23 April 2016, 14:04:11
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 14:17:17
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.

You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 23 April 2016, 14:22:12
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.

You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.

The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 14:24:06
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.

You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.

The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.

Hmm... good to know. Gonna try the dental bands mod myself but first time to buy a spare HHKB. Will be difficult to get the bands from the Netherlands. I've tried once but shipping costs were really insane.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: derb2k2 on Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:05:16
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.

You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.

The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.


this is where Hypersphere's rings took over for me. The bands do indeed alter the stroke so much. In contrast, the key travel is minutely affected by Hyp's rings and the thock is ever more pronounced. Add a PBT spacebar and it's magic. I did swap with NT sliders though so I have different keycaps on it but I'm thinking about putting back the stock caps. eheh
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:49:29
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock

After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.

You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.

The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.

Hmm... good to know. Gonna try the dental bands mod myself but first time to buy a spare HHKB. Will be difficult to get the bands from the Netherlands. I've tried once but shipping costs were really insane.

PM me about the dental bands. I could maybe hook you up with them goodies. ;)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:51:59
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.

I agree with you on this one. This is getting a bit like "HHKB Pro 2 love" thread #2. :D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Sat, 23 April 2016, 16:13:06
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.

I agree with you on this one. This is getting a bit like "HHKB Pro 2 love" thread #2. :D

I support this message
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 16:58:14
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.

I agree with you on this one. This is getting a bit like "HHKB Pro 2 love" thread #2. :D

There MUST be people who don't like Topre and/or HHKB.. Even if it is only the 0.0001%. Or am I wrong?

Topre is love, I know. But it can't be for everybody.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:03:06
This thread is about a year old, just look at the old posts.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: appleonama on Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:53:41
Everyone who posts their regret should be banned.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:39:53
My only regret is not owning two of them. And I only have one computer...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 24 April 2016, 04:25:52
Everyone who posts their regret should be banned.
Because that's how you deal with different opinions.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Keycap on Sun, 24 April 2016, 08:17:39
I can't regret buying something that I haven't even bought yet ;D but I still want one badly...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: MasterZebra on Sun, 24 April 2016, 09:18:10
My only regret is that it has lead me to look more into spending money on mods and trying other topre boards. I do find it difficult to find as many artisans but that seems to be changing with time. No real regrets here.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: TopreFan333 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 09:31:23
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.
I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place

I use the arrow keys a LOT just in the course of writing, and honestly it's not a big deal at all -- after the second week or so, I didn't have to look down anymore. Right hand stays way closer to the home row this way.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 24 April 2016, 12:18:30
That's the problem with the thread. Most people are just talking about ANSI HHKB Pro [2].

Meanwhile, Lite and JIS Pro have physical arrow keys and a pair of Fn keys.

If you add the hasu's converter, you can even get rid of the PFU's default Fn layer.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 24 April 2016, 21:57:58
I have a HHKB JIS Type-S that I just got a few days ago. So far I am totally digging it, no regrets. I own a RealForce 87U 55G as well. I see this little HHKB as a great companion for my iPad, as well as for my laptops. I can't (yet) say that it stands up versus a good TKL board for sustained, desktop PC use. Just my opinion, but I don't see a need to bury the arrow keys under an Fn layer. Just because you can get used to something over time doesn't mean it's necessarily advantageous to do so. I would think it could be a good thing for one's hands to stretch out and reach a distant key once in awhile.

That being said, my keyboard views are evolving, and these days I have found myself getting quite fond of these Topre switches.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: feralfoo on Sun, 24 April 2016, 22:15:00
I'm on the HHKB Pro JIS train as well, currently tmk'ed with most of the ISO layout changed back to ANSI.

I regret buying the Pro 2 a little, as its gathering dust, but it did highlight how much I depend on an arrow cluster.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 24 April 2016, 22:31:03
I'm on the HHKB Pro JIS train as well, currently tmk'ed with most of the ISO layout changed back to ANSI.

I regret buying the Pro 2 a little, as its gathering dust, but it did highlight how much I depend on an arrow cluster.

I'm just wondering what tmk'ed means. Sounds very interesting to me...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: klennkellon on Sun, 24 April 2016, 22:39:10
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?

This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.

On a semi related note, my Model M has the straightest keys I've ever seen on a keyboard.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: feralfoo on Mon, 25 April 2016, 00:57:55
I'm just wondering what tmk'ed means. Sounds very interesting to me...

Hasu's custom controller boards and firmware - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 05:21:07
I'm on the HHKB Pro JIS train as well, currently tmk'ed with most of the ISO layout changed back to ANSI.

I regret buying the Pro 2 a little, as its gathering dust, but it did highlight how much I depend on an arrow cluster.

So you really didn't get used to the diamond arrow keys on the HHKB?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: feralfoo on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:34:20
So you really didn't get used to the diamond arrow keys on the HHKB?

Yeah gave it a good shot over a few months. Had more success using wasd keys, likely due to many years gaming ;D The biggest problem I had was using other peoples keyboards.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:37:36
So you really didn't get used to the diamond arrow keys on the HHKB?

Yeah gave it a good shot over a few months. Had more success using wasd keys, likely due to many years gaming ;D The biggest problem I had was using other peoples keyboards.

Ahhh makes sense. I must say, in OSX it is more difficult to use arrow keys because a lot of functions to go to the beginning/end of words / lines also rely on painful shortcuts (like stock emacs). So I had to learn to combine the diamond keys AND the OSX built-in keystrokes. Was difficult to adjust the first 2-3 weeks working with Word I must admit.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: feralfoo on Mon, 25 April 2016, 07:47:45
Ahhh makes sense. I must say, in OSX it is more difficult to use arrow keys because a lot of functions to go to the beginning/end of words / lines also rely on painful shortcuts (like stock emacs). So I had to learn to combine the diamond keys AND the OSX built-in keystrokes. Was difficult to adjust the first 2-3 weeks working with Word I must admit.

This 1000 times!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 25 April 2016, 09:38:42
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: losing_ctrl on Mon, 25 April 2016, 12:13:38
I'm just wondering what tmk'ed means. Sounds very interesting to me...

Hasu's custom controller boards and firmware - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0)

Cool, thanks for clearing that up for me.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ktkr on Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:23:32
Yes I kind of do regret buying my HHKB. Two of them.

No other keyboard cuts it anymore. It's like crack, once you thock you can't stop. Realforce is in the closet and majority of my other keyboards are long gone.

HHKB isn't perfect by any means but it's still easily the most fun keyboard I have ever used.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:59:21
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.

I move it around ALL THE TIME. Often when I hit the spacebar, it moves like 0.5mm. So I put my own feet on it and now it is perfectly stable.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 14:00:01
Yes I kind of do regret buying my HHKB. Two of them.

No other keyboard cuts it anymore. It's like crack, once you thock you can't stop. Realforce is in the closet and majority of my other keyboards are long gone.

HHKB isn't perfect by any means but it's still easily the most fun keyboard I have ever used.

So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ktkr on Mon, 25 April 2016, 14:09:22
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?

Yep, at least for the foreseeable future. My second HHKB was my first keyboard purchase within last few years.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:12:21
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?

Yep, at least for the foreseeable future. My second HHKB was my first keyboard purchase within last few years.

Have you tried MX Clears already? Those are the only Cherry switches I occasionally prefer OVER Topre.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ktkr on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:19:35
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?

Yep, at least for the foreseeable future. My second HHKB was my first keyboard purchase within last few years.

Have you tried MX Clears already? Those are the only Cherry switches I occasionally prefer OVER Topre.

I haven't had the chance to try Clears but from what I've read they're said to be heavier Browns which I personally hate. I have owned Reds, Blacks, Blues and Browns. Blues are the only ones I really like and I'm actually using them at work. Since I love Blues and buckling springs, I would like to try Greens but I'm not going to buy them if I can't test them first.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:41:14
I haven't had the chance to try Clears but from what I've read they're said to be heavier Browns
Then it's said wrong. Why would ergo clears (or purple zealios) even exist, if clears were just heavier browns? For that matter, heavier browns (aka tactoblacks) feel like ****.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: digi on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:42:44
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:54:47
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D

But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: digi on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:59:19
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D

But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.

Ooo, yea I can't hate on that, that would be fun to try.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Macsmasher on Mon, 25 April 2016, 22:10:54
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.

I just bought cabinet door bumpers similar to this for the bottom of my HHKB...

http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 25 April 2016, 22:39:28
no

i traded it for a much better board so it's all good
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 25 April 2016, 22:53:10
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.

I bought some of these (http://www.amazon.com/Bluelounge-Design-Protective-Tablets-KS-GR/dp/B005J6SRY6) for mine a while back. It comes in a four pack, and I've only put them on my HHKB. They work great, and my board doesn't slip at all now. Still saving the other three in case I need them for something. I was able to find them cheaper on some other semi sketchy looking German site for $8, but I figured linking to amazon would seem less sketchy :))
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Mon, 25 April 2016, 23:10:53
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D

But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.

ABS STOP HAVING ***** FINGER TIPS AND MAN UP SON.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: zoomwalt on Mon, 25 April 2016, 23:24:55
You guys who run with the HHKB clearly don't work in finance or accounting. How anyone could go without arrows, F key row, and numpad while in MS excel blows my mind.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Dongulator on Mon, 25 April 2016, 23:29:36
The only thing I regret about my hhkb's is that I didn't buy them first, I spent a ton of money on mx boards and caps. Oh well, you live and you learn.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LunarisDream on Mon, 25 April 2016, 23:51:35
I regret the invention of the HHKB
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 26 April 2016, 00:25:04
I regret the invention of the HHKB

Save some of that edge for reddit, son.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Rad on Tue, 26 April 2016, 01:27:48
You guys who run with the HHKB clearly don't work in finance or accounting. How anyone could go without arrows, F key row, and numpad while in MS excel blows my mind.
Function layer. And they make stand alone numpads.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 04:00:37
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D

But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.

You could do a swap of course... put em 55g realforce topres in your beloved hhkb!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 04:01:18
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.

I just bought cabinet door bumpers similar to this for the bottom of my HHKB...

http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers

Do these actually work? They still seem a bit small..
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Crossfire on Tue, 26 April 2016, 04:11:13
The only thing I regret about my hhkb's is that I didn't buy them first, I spent a ton of money on mx boards and caps. Oh well, you live and you learn.
Yeah, but you've probably already sold the cherry caps and boards and in the end didn't lose that much money...sets go the same if not higher than in GB/retail, boards are different story, but if you bought used you're actually even :)
I really like hhkb's, probably the cutest board in existence, had three sold, one's on the way but buttery vintage blacks in alu case are just on another level imho  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:30:27
The only thing I regret about my hhkb's is that I didn't buy them first, I spent a ton of money on mx boards and caps. Oh well, you live and you learn.
Yeah, but you've probably already sold the cherry caps and boards and in the end didn't lose that much money...sets go the same if not higher than in GB/retail, boards are different story, but if you bought used you're actually even :)
I really like hhkb's, probably the cutest board in existence, had three sold, one's on the way but buttery vintage blacks in alu case are just on another level imho  :rolleyes:

How they feel compared to Topres?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Crossfire on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:37:20
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:39:47
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)

You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:42:17
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)

You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.

Mmm... once I build my supreme gaming rig probably after WWDC time to get me one of them lubed black boards.. probably not as smooth as vintage blacks but still smooth. O and o-rings.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:45:50
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)

You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.

Mmm... once I build my supreme gaming rig probably after WWDC time to get me one of them lubed black boards.. probably not as smooth as vintage blacks but still smooth. O and o-rings.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

pls no o rings
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Crossfire on Tue, 26 April 2016, 05:48:51
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)

You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.

Totally! Topres are great boards, no doubt about it, hhkb's are sugar for our daddies but on the other hand I can't get enought of these buttery-vintage-aluminium-doubleshot experiences... soooooo noice! :) 

Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)

You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.

Mmm... once I build my supreme gaming rig probably after WWDC time to get me one of them lubed black boards.. probably not as smooth as vintage blacks but still smooth. O and o-rings.

I have some blacks available + some vintages for taste...let me know -> pm ;) 
...yeah man, no o-rings needed on buttery blacks...you'll be dying to bottom these babies down  :))


Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 26 April 2016, 16:36:52
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.

So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.

I just bought cabinet door bumpers similar to this for the bottom of my HHKB...

http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers (http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers)

Do these actually work? They still seem a bit small..


Of course they work. Small isn't the issue. It's contact with your desk surface that matters. Sometimes smaller is better!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rurushu on Wed, 27 April 2016, 09:54:27
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 27 April 2016, 10:15:28

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
I thought you had one?
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 27 April 2016, 10:19:14
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rurushu on Wed, 27 April 2016, 10:22:24

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
I thought you had one?
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.

Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches  :-X

the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.

then demik, did you mod your HHKB to 55g? Since then you can have the best of both worlds!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 27 April 2016, 10:22:32
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.

pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: demik on Wed, 27 April 2016, 11:40:47

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
I thought you had one?
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.

Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches  :-X

the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.

then demik, did you mod your HHKB to 55g? Since then you can have the best of both worlds!


Nope. Plate mounted is way better than case mounted. And I don't want to risk it and hate both when combined (hhkb and 55g)

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.

pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not

You like mx blacks and fall for the vintage tag. You know nothing
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 27 April 2016, 12:40:06
I would never regret buying my HHKB... 6 years ago.
It was so much cheaper back then!

pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not

+1
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sneaky Potato on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:13:06
No matter what board I buy, I always end up going back to my HHKBs after a short time, for both work and home.


The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.

It was the FC660C and the NovaTouch that were uninspiring.

Completely agree here...uninspiring is the perfect word. I started with a HHKB, which was exactly what I had been searching for in terms of feeling. Then I tried the FC660C and the NovaTouch when I was hoping the plate would be an upgrade, but I was pretty disappointed.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:15:37
I would never regret buying my HHKB... 6 years ago.

I'm curious if you've noticed any changes in the feel over that time?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:28:04
Every waking moment
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:31:17
I would never regret buying my HHKB... 6 years ago.

I'm curious if you've noticed any changes in the feel over that time?

Yes a couple.
Most obvious was the spacebar stabilizer grease going dry and that annoying clack developing.
Next, the domes did stiffen up a bit (I think) but not by much.
I bought a new 87u 55g in Jan 2016 and it is still noticeably heavier than the 6 year old HHKB 45g domes.
Too bad I do not have a new HHKB to compare it with.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 28 April 2016, 04:53:31

Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
I thought you had one?
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.

Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches  :-X

the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....

wow, you are truly missing out! I don't think anyone here who tried a HHKB has bad things to say about it. There's thousands of Love thread for HHKB. Go get one nao, try the Bluetooth version!  :eek:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 28 April 2016, 04:58:21
Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches  :-X

the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....

Worst comes to worst, you can always sell it on here or mechmarket, or even offer in trades towards keycaps.

IMO it's worth experiencing at least once. It's definitely the best keyboard I've used, and the layout isn't too bad to get used to.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:01:38
Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:15:29
Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P

You have the black printed keycaps already? I'm seeing that you have a HHKB with white (printed?) key set. Would be interested in trading blacks in for whites IF you don't have the black ones. :D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:23:29
Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P

You have the black printed keycaps already? I'm seeing that you have a HHKB with white (printed?) key set. Would be interested in trading blacks in for whites IF you don't have the black ones. :D
When I bought my HHKB, it was black printed. I have also bought the white printed and white blanks keys. I interchange them once a while.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:26:44
Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P

You have the black printed keycaps already? I'm seeing that you have a HHKB with white (printed?) key set. Would be interested in trading blacks in for whites IF you don't have the black ones. :D
When I bought my HHKB, it was black printed. I have also bought the white printed and white blanks keys. I interchange them once a while.

Ok, I understand. Worth a shot, though. :D Do you have any photos with white printed caps on? Just wondering how it looks.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:54:27
I regret selling mine  :'(
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 28 April 2016, 06:14:46
@funderburker
It's beautiful with white printed.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/7be74b1c93949026509556b0e06f1a83.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 28 April 2016, 06:35:57
Yeah. That looks better than black case with blank white caps. I like how it ties it all together with the legends.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 28 April 2016, 09:42:51
I regret selling mine  :'(

Haven't you bought and sold one like 3 times already?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 28 April 2016, 09:50:09
I regret selling mine  :'(

Haven't you bought and sold one like 3 times already?
no mane I only habe 1 hhkb
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 28 April 2016, 09:51:44
I regret selling mine  :'(
rekt'd
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: breaker9691 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 10:24:46
I have HHKB Pro2, and now gonna buy HHKB Pro2 Type-S, but in my opinion, HHKB it's not the best options for you

the better point in Topre with CherryMX IS Topre never get double click, and CherryMX do, but if you press to keyboard too fast then the HHKB won't recieve that button, but that speed it's not easy to reach so
HHKB Still are one of my best choice til now (and make your own custom, HHKB is the final gate to you to come to custom keyboard)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: olieatstofu on Thu, 28 April 2016, 10:35:59
I recently got a lubed type-s and HATED IT.

Put it back in the box, got out my other cherry clear board and thought something did not feel right.

Got back the HHKB and realised that I was supposed to be a believer in the Church of Topreology!

Fantastic board, need to buy another type s for home now
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Macsmasher on Thu, 28 April 2016, 15:32:10
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?

Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.

The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.

Is it really that amazing?

On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.

De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.

But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.

pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not


I currently own a RF 55g and a RF variable silent. The variable silent IS buttery smooth and I prefer it to the RF 55g.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: eohmiller on Fri, 13 May 2016, 16:23:20
I'm actually a little worried about this too. Same with buckling spring:/ I guess we'll find out. If it feels nice it feels nice.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 May 2016, 02:45:51
I'm actually a little worried about this too. Same with buckling spring:/ I guess we'll find out. If it feels nice it feels nice.

And if it doesn't, and you look after it, you can resell it for almost what you paid for it and chalk the difference up to experience.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ander on Sun, 15 May 2016, 03:04:35
I don't regret mine one bit. I used to type on a Realforce. Then I found out I could get a tiny board with only 60 keys that would require me to use multi-key combinations for the simplest things. "Wow," I thought, "why have I been saving all this effort?" Now I delight in tying my fingers into knots to do something like moving a cursor.

In fact, I'm so jazzed by this miniaturization trend, I've almost decided to dump my PC and do all of my writing and Internet usage from my phone, which is even smaller and harder to use.

When you think about it, true technological progress has a natural arc: Things get easier and easier; then, for one reason or another, they get harder and harder, until eventually it's almost impossible to do anything. Don't ask me why. It's just a phenomenon of nature.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: pab on Sun, 15 May 2016, 04:49:01
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)

Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dannrawr on Sun, 15 May 2016, 12:13:39
@funderburker
It's beautiful with white printed.
Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/7be74b1c93949026509556b0e06f1a83.jpg)

poisoned :-[
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Rad on Sun, 15 May 2016, 13:26:05
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)

Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: yomammary on Sun, 15 May 2016, 14:37:39
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)

Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.
I always bottom out switches, Topre 55g, Cherry MX Clears or BS.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: QuincyJones on Sun, 15 May 2016, 15:53:38
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!

I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: losing_ctrl on Sun, 15 May 2016, 18:45:10
I don't regret mine one bit. I used to type on a Realforce. Then I found out I could get a tiny board with only 60 keys that would require me to use multi-key combinations for the simplest things. "Wow," I thought, "why have I been saving all this effort?" Now I delight in tying my fingers into knots to do something like moving a cursor.

In fact, I'm so jazzed by this miniaturization trend, I've almost decided to dump my PC and do all of my writing and Internet usage from my phone, which is even smaller and harder to use.

When you think about it, true technological progress has a natural arc: Things get easier and easier; then, for one reason or another, they get harder and harder, until eventually it's almost impossible to do anything. Don't ask me why. It's just a phenomenon of nature.

Great!!!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 16 May 2016, 03:32:54
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!

I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
Not every user interface requires function keys, and you ought to know that as a programmer.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: supamesican on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:24:17
Nope, love them best work/office board I've ever used. I do wish I could have gotten 55g on it though. I love the heavier switches.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:59:47
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!

I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
Not every user interface requires function keys, and you ought to know that as a programmer.

+1 for this statement. Would be a bit uncomfortable to have number row in a second layer though but even if you need the F keys occasionally, it's now that hard to press a two-key combination. I'm using several editors/IDEs & some of them uses F key shortcuts but well, it's not a bit deal & doesn't make my work uncomfortable in any way.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: epzy on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:07:54
no. hhkb >
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: pab on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:48:37
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)

Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.

I don't understand how it couldn't be a bottom-out switch. All the resistance is up-front before the dome collapses.

I bottom out, yes :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 17 May 2016, 17:40:30
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!

I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!

I was thinking about that today actually. I hooked up my HHKB at the office and instantly realized the lack of easy accessible F-keys that I apparently mapped to stuff in vim. Now of course I just remapped everything coz vim, but I can see that being annoying.

Plus.. Hitting F5 to run a program in visual studio and then see it actually run did some positive reinforcement conditioning with me. Every time I hit F5 I think "this gonna be good."

I completely forgot about those keys but Windows apps (like VS and Word) use them a lot.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Tue, 17 May 2016, 19:20:13
Only thing i regret about buying my HHKB i will say though that comes to mind is that i do not enjoy collecting Keycaps/other boards as much as i used to (Though i still do just not as much)  Working on 60% #8 soon.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dante on Tue, 17 May 2016, 19:52:33
Outside of Oracle SQL Developer I spend time in Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio; I know in there you can use ALT-X instead of F5 by default if so desired.

Or use your right thumb to hold down FN while hitting 5.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: dante on Tue, 17 May 2016, 20:50:37
I don't use the word dope very often ...

But this is totally dope: https://imgur.com/a/HRkRA#6uMGane
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 02:10:14
no. hhkb >

The fact that epzy came out of hiding to answer you should tell you all you need to know. The truth is HHKBs are really great and a good many people really like them. Of course they are a little hyped :)  I have two and don't regret buying either, the layout takes a little getting used to but it really isn't so bad and doesn't take too long. As many have said if you are this far along you should probably get one and try it out, if you really unhappy you could always sell it. From that point of view I would get the bluetooth one, it's new many people want it and if you don't like it, it will sell really easily.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: pab on Thu, 19 May 2016, 01:26:38
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!

I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!

This really depends on what sort of programmer you are. Are you on Unix-y system? Probably don't need to touch an f-key until the day you die. Visual Studio? I can't imagine not having my f-keys.

IMO the HHKB layout is the perfect layout for good ol' fashioned unix hacking and emacs editing (which makes sense, Eiiti Wada is a old unix hacker who uses emacs).
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 May 2016, 03:40:57
I don't use the word dope very often ...

But this is totally dope: https://imgur.com/a/HRkRA#6uMGane

The most colourful HHKB I've ever seen, although it does have a defective space bar.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: yuppie on Sun, 05 February 2017, 01:57:59
I've been thinking about getting a Type-S, I had a white, printed HHKB for a couple weeks but the tilde on the top right, along with the lack of arrows was just too hard to re-learn. Years of muscle memory has me on the arrow keys alot and when I type '~/', i expect that tilde the be on the left.

I'm loving the FC660C layout and have been thinking about building a clueboard with some zealios or something like that, but i love the topre feel still. idk what i'll do, IDK.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Sun, 05 February 2017, 02:33:22
Even as a constant F key user I love my HHKB more than most board, probably all boards I own. Next step is Type-s!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: s0nia on Sun, 05 February 2017, 16:44:18
I only regret paying so much for it because I didn't know that I'd be going to Japan so soon.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Sun, 05 February 2017, 16:51:24
I only regret paying so much for it because I didn't know that I'd be going to Japan so soon.

Ah, yeah this is reasonable.

IF anyone sees my Pro non-2 go for sale it's cause i am funding a type s. Gonna hasu it up too
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 05 February 2017, 17:43:01
No ragrets here. I love my HHKB. I haven't done anything to it so far. for me, this keyboard provides the perfect canvas for artisans.

(http://i.imgur.com/6JY0lt7.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: kosm3 on Sun, 05 February 2017, 19:38:30
No hhkb is the strand of a downfull life :-*
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Dyaems on Sun, 05 February 2017, 19:46:42
i regretted buying an HHKB... after modding* it. now that it is back to stock, everything is all good  ;D


modding* includes:
- novatouch stems
- lubing  with the incorrect amount of lube then "washing" it to unlube it, use cotton buds they said...
- enjoypbt, gmk/jtk, etc
- i ALMOST painted it good thing that i did not lol
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: iceman2733 on Sun, 05 February 2017, 20:22:27
I recently purchased an HHKB Pro 2 and after giving it two weeks it went back.  The switches felt heavy and the USB ports are useless I have over 9 flash drives none would work without showing windows errors of low power.  I tried on USB 2.0 and 3.0 on my MB.  I came from a custom 1upkeyboard ljd61up with gateron red switches.  I just found the switches to be heavy and the USB issues were enough for me.  Considering the price and the quality this keyboard is quite expensive.  I do like the layout but I ended up just making my ljd61up the same minus the custom does have more actual keys.  I think all of this is just a personal preference plain and simple and what works best.  Also the angle of the key caps kind of messed with me fps gaming.  Also forgot the spacebar had quite a squeak to it. 

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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: OfTheWild on Mon, 06 February 2017, 03:35:33
I love my hhkb type-s. I did however change some things on it that made it more lovable... the biggest being the Hasu Bluetooth controller. That is a must for any hhkb in my opinion.

Now i just need to find a black one :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Mon, 06 February 2017, 03:47:39
I love my hhkb type-s. I did however change some things on it that made it more lovable... the biggest being the Hasu Bluetooth controller. That is a must for any hhkb in my opinion.

Now i just need to find a black one :)

If you want a black Pro non-2 then you could help me fund my first Type S  ;D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Mon, 06 February 2017, 12:47:47
In a way, yes, I do. I rushed to the endgame without trying anything else out first. It was very hard for me to justify the $230 purchase at the time, given I'd never typed on a mechanical keyboard before. I wish that I used that money to try other switches first. I got around to purchasing a Pok3r with MX Blues, and it's safe to say that I much prefer Topre.

I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me. Eventually I'll get around to trying one out, but at a loss.

Don't get me wrong, HHKB is the best keyboard I've ever owned or used, however, I think that I got lucky that I liked Topre. That's probably because I spent the last ~7 years typing on an HP 5187.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: OfTheWild on Mon, 06 February 2017, 18:07:32
I love my hhkb type-s. I did however change some things on it that made it more lovable... the biggest being the Hasu Bluetooth controller. That is a must for any hhkb in my opinion.

Now i just need to find a black one :)

If you want a black Pro non-2 then you could help me fund my first Type S  ;D

 like the v1 with the oldschool logo? I think i need pro2 for the hasu controller but i'll check. I cant live without the bluetooth and TMK.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 07 February 2017, 00:03:29
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.

That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..

Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to  It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant. 
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace.  You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...

It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense. 
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Dyaems on Tue, 07 February 2017, 02:09:42
the shifted alphanumeric keys on the bottom row does not bug me at all, or maybe i'm already used to it? was using JIS keyboards waaaay back, Pro JP at home, and a Novatouch at office.

i find the Pro2 hard to use in my office though, specially when dealing with excel sheets. or maybe i am having a hard time hitting the FN key with my right pinky and using its arrow keys
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: atlas3686 on Tue, 07 February 2017, 04:33:11
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.

That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..

Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to  It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant. 
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace.  You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...

It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense. 


Can confirm this, better off just getting used to it. It also has the pro of keeping your hands in the typing position which can actually be more efficient once you get used to it.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 07 February 2017, 06:36:56
the shifted alphanumeric keys on the bottom row does not bug me at all, or maybe i'm already used to it? was using JIS keyboards waaaay back, Pro JP at home, and a Novatouch at office.

i find the Pro2 hard to use in my office though, specially when dealing with excel sheets. or maybe i am having a hard time hitting the FN key with my right pinky and using its arrow keys

I'm sure you can get used to it...but to me it seems much more difficult and detrimental to speed...not to mention all of the other things which don't seem like a good idea..

Simply to get some dedicated arrow keys...You DO get used to the diamond arrow configuration on the HHKB but really, if I couldn't stand it I'd go to a 660c which is a good middle ground between TKL and a HHKB..
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 07 February 2017, 08:40:06
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.

That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..

Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to  It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant. 
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace.  You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...

It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense.
I agree! Before I actually tried the HHKB, people kept urging me to try it but I continually put if off, thinking that I could never get accustomed to the seemingly weird layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. When I finally got my first HHKB, I was amazed at how quickly I adjusted to the positions of the Backspace and Ctrl keys. At first, using remapping software, I tried various non-default positions for the arrow keys, but I soon found that the default cursor diamond was the best location for me.

Being a keyboard enthusiast, I like to use a variety of keyboards, but since using the HHKB, I remap all others to a HHKB-like layout. This works well on many keyboards, but it usually fails on those in the twilight zone between 60% and TKL -- now I find that squeezing arrow keys into the configuration just gets in the way.

Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Tue, 07 February 2017, 08:46:48
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.

That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..

Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to  It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant. 
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace.  You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...

It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense.
I agree! Before I actually tried the HHKB, people kept urging me to try it but I continually put if off, thinking that I could never get accustomed to the seemingly weird layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. When I finally got my first HHKB, I was amazed at how quickly I adjusted to the positions of the Backspace and Ctrl keys. At first, using remapping software, I tried various non-default positions for the arrow keys, but I soon found that the default cursor diamond was the best location for me.

Being a keyboard enthusiast, I like to use a variety of keyboards, but since using the HHKB, I remap all others to a HHKB-like layout. This works well on many keyboards, but it usually fails on those in the twilight zone between 60% and TKL -- now I find that squeezing arrow keys into the configuration just gets in the way.
Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?


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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 07 February 2017, 15:51:20

<snip> ... <snip>

Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?
No, I haven't tried the JP variant of the HHKB. The original just makes much more sense to me, and so I have not seen the need to try the JP model.

Although I use my HHKB most of the time, I like to rotate through my collection. For the most part, my favorite form factors are 60%, TKL, and full-size. I've tried various boards that occupy the twilight zone between 60% and TKL, such as the Leopold FC660C. The problem is that these intermediate designs try to squeeze arrow keys into the lower right portion of the board, where they tend to interfere with my preferred placement of the Fn key and modifiers.

Because my favorite layout is HHKB, I can remap non-HHKB boards to something like the HHKB configuration if their form factor is 60%, TKL, or full-size, but this becomes problematic with the in-between boards.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: epzy on Tue, 07 February 2017, 16:05:07
been using mx blues for a couple weeks... well now I'm typing on my HHKB again and holy smokes it feels so soft and nice to type on. hhkb >
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Tue, 07 February 2017, 18:11:19

<snip> ... <snip>

Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?
No, I haven't tried the JP variant of the HHKB. The original just makes much more sense to me, and so I have not seen the need to try the JP model.

Although I use my HHKB most of the time, I like to rotate through my collection. For the most part, my favorite form factors are 60%, TKL, and full-size. I've tried various boards that occupy the twilight zone between 60% and TKL, such as the Leopold FC660C. The problem is that these intermediate designs try to squeeze arrow keys into the lower right portion of the board, where they tend to interfere with my preferred placement of the Fn key and modifiers.

Because my favorite layout is HHKB, I can remap non-HHKB boards to something like the HHKB configuration if their form factor is 60%, TKL, or full-size, but this becomes problematic with the in-between boards.
I might switch to a JP version, just because it may be more beneficial in the long run. I use my keyboard for typing papers and coding, so I think the addition of arrow keys in such a compact board wouldn't be overly necessary. However, the extra keys and improved functionality makes a little more sense. I see potential issues with the JP version because the keys by the "Enter" key aren't supposed to be there on ANSI, so I have no clue what they'd map to. Also, finding keycaps for those mappings may be difficult as well. Thoughts?


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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 07 February 2017, 20:25:53
I think you're overstating the benefits you get..most people that have tried the JP version get rid of it...although there are some that like it..

Imagine your right shift all the way over to the right hand side...now look where you currently hit your right shift...you're likely really far off...now type like that..it's a pain...

The backspace may or may not be an issue for you but I'd personally hate it...

It puts those keys in spots where it makes no sense to put them given their importance...you said it yourself, you're typing/coding, do you really want to deal with that?

Or better yet...if you need arrow keys why are you trying to make the square peg fit the round hole?  Get a 660c instead...almost as compact but you have dedicated arrow keys...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Wed, 08 February 2017, 00:30:27
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 08 February 2017, 00:37:03
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?

As far as I know there isn't a stock HHKB BT type-s only the std. HHKB BT.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Wed, 08 February 2017, 12:16:55
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards.  That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches.  The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: OfTheWild on Thu, 09 February 2017, 02:51:23
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?

Regardless, that giant battery bulge on the factory BT model is a major turnoff for me.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Thu, 09 February 2017, 03:07:04
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?

Regardless, that giant battery bulge on the factory BT model is a major turnoff for me.

I don't mind it if it means vastly superior battery life to the Hasu model. If it doesn't, then, well, lol.

So hype to get a type s now.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Thu, 09 February 2017, 09:45:42
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards.  That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches.  The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).
Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 09 February 2017, 09:51:58
nah
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Thu, 09 February 2017, 10:23:47
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards.  That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches.  The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).
Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!

Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy many faithful years of your HHKB Pro 2.

They really among the Topre boards are easily my favorite without question.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Thu, 09 February 2017, 10:36:11
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards.  That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches.  The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).
Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!

Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy many faithful years of your HHKB Pro 2.

They really among the Topre boards are easily my favorite without question.
Sure thing! When are you planning on uploading again?


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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: LiquidEvilGaming on Thu, 09 February 2017, 10:59:07
Soon hopefully, have been playing housemaid to my wife as she had quite a severe foot injury and has been on bedrest for the last two months.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: 9fiftyfive_ on Thu, 09 February 2017, 11:03:00
Soon hopefully, have been playing housemaid to my wife as she had quite a severe foot injury and has been on bedrest for the last two months.
Hope everything works out well!


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Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:16:22
i regret it everyday i breathe
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:18:02
i regret it everyday i breathe
ytho
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:54:20
i regret it everyday i breathe
RemBestGirl


i regret it everyday i breathe
ytho

You can't trust a Remilia fan. Flan is the better scarlet. :eek:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: robbles on Fri, 10 February 2017, 15:58:38
I think it is understated how easy the HHKB is to take apart and lube. Compared to an MX board, depending on how your switches are mounted, you have to open each switch individually with a special tool. And you may even have to desolder every single switch first. With the HHKB all you need is a screw driver. If you want to be lazy about it, you don't even have to take the keycaps or sliders off. The way it is built also makes it incredibly easy to clean thoroughly. Easily swapping springs on Topre isn't possible but you can harvest 55g domes if you really want. For these reasons, I think it is a board everyone should at least try. Sure it is an expensive initial investment, but you can always sell it back for close to cost if you don't like it. You'll also save money on other crap boards you would have bought if you never experienced the HHKB love  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 10 February 2017, 17:02:16
I think it is understated how easy the HHKB is to take apart and lube. Compared to an MX board, depending on how your switches are mounted, you have to open each switch individually with a special tool. And you may even have to desolder every single switch first. With the HHKB all you need is a screw driver. If you want to be lazy about it, you don't even have to take the keycaps or sliders off. The way it is built also makes it incredibly easy to clean thoroughly. Easily swapping springs on Topre isn't possible but you can harvest 55g domes if you really want. For these reasons, I think it is a board everyone should at least try. Sure it is an expensive initial investment, but you can always sell it back for close to cost if you don't like it. You'll also save money on other crap boards you would have bought if you never experienced the HHKB love  :thumb:
Good point. Another easy-open board is the Realforce RF87U -- no tools at all are needed to open the case and no seal to break to void the warranty. This is in stark contrast to the CM Novatouch, which can be a challenge to open up.

I'm typing this on my HHKB (lubed and silenced) after some frustrating times with several vintage Alps-switch boards that had unresponsive and chattering keys. This makes me appreciate another fine attribute of the HHKB, which is its reliability. I've been typing on it for several years, and it hasn't given me any problems whatsoever.

Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 10 February 2017, 17:03:57
Glad I read this. I am going to order some Hypersheres soon and I already have my lube. Was a little nervous on opening the case up.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: robbles on Fri, 10 February 2017, 18:27:47
Glad I read this. I am going to order some Hypersheres soon and I already have my lube. Was a little nervous on opening the case up.

Hypersphere's rings are great. Definitely worth trying out. But if you are mostly looking for a change in feel, I suggest trying lubing before installing rings just to see how you like it. If having a dead silent board isn't a requirement for you, lubing will dampen the sound a bit as well as smooth out the feel. Some people really like the change in feel the rings provide. I personally switch the rings in and out once a year or so when I do my cleaning just to change things up.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:47:27
I regret every keyboard I ever bought.. with TWO exception..


2x ERGODOX     // Best Keyboards.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Sat, 11 February 2017, 00:08:54
And how many HHKB have tp4 bought...?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: lildragonbuns on Sun, 12 February 2017, 05:02:44
i regret it everyday i breathe
ytho


Hhkb good at collecting dust
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 12 February 2017, 05:24:37
i regret it everyday i breathe
ytho


Hhkb good at collecting dust

You can send it to me. I'll give it a good home and use it every day.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 12 February 2017, 05:30:11
i regret it everyday i breathe
Sell it? To me? For cheaps? Then you will feel much better, I promise.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: laaurora on Sun, 12 February 2017, 11:12:16
Been using mine for few days now. And the truth is, after using Apple's chicklets for past 10 years, even a much cheaper 60-75% would feel like a huge improvement. I love HHKB, but I kind of take it for granted without trying any options in-between.

That's not a regret though. I would still go for it if I had to make this choice again. I know that buying something I can be content with from the start tends to save me a lot of time and money in the long run. It worked for headphones and a lot of other things for me.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rustywok on Sun, 12 February 2017, 12:41:02
After reading a few million HHKB threads and reviews, I went straight for a black HHKB Pro2. Bought it off eBay. The seller only had it for a week according to his receipt. It cost me $190.00 with shipping included, not bad I guess. It quickly became my dedicated writing board. (I have a separate desk and computer for my writing.) Something about topre switches just seem to connect with my right brain. I'm so glad I decided to go for it. I was all set to lube and silence it too, but after using it "stock" for a few weeks, I realized I liked it as-is. At least for now.

So no. No regrets. And I still love my MX boards as much as ever. My tastes are pretty eclectic I guess. 
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Geroximo on Sun, 12 February 2017, 13:14:40
It took me years and a ton of money to collect all the premium parts for my dream 60% build.
Meanwhile I bought a Pro2 and a Type-S.
They made me sell all the parts again instead of building the keyboard.
No regrets.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Kilonzi on Wed, 15 February 2017, 10:04:33
I definitely do not regret having bought an HHKB Pro2 Type-S!

I recently bought an Leopold FC750R keyboard, to give TKL a try. At work I'm switching constantly between these two keyboards. I like them both but I prefer my HHKB.

As I will start commuting by bike again soon, I just ordered another Type-S. I don't want to carry my HHKB everyday in my bike bag.

But the Leopold FC750R will stay. I want to mod it to ergo clears and get an GMK keycap set for it. I want to see if I like ergo clear switches.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 06 June 2017, 22:25:15
I still don't regret buying mine, even if I have never connected it to my server, which was the main reason why I got it in the first place.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: DaBubbs on Tue, 06 June 2017, 23:03:13
I don't regret buying my Pro 2. That said, I will be putting my Pro 2 up for sale soon. I used my Pro 2 as a daily driver for two months and while I liked it, I am just so much more productive on my RF 87U. I really missed the arrow cluster and the Delete and End keys. I could work the HHKB fairly well but in the second month, I started missing my RF 87U more and more. I switched back to my RF 87U for one day and it was that "ahhhh, I missed you" feeling.

I admit that I liked the placement of Backspace over Enter on the HHKB but after a few weeks, I started getting a little bit of pain in my right little / pinky finger, especially when I was reaching with my pinky to hit Backspace. I figured that my pinky just needed to get used to being used in that way (I use my ring finger for Backspace on a regular layout). Over the next month, the nagging little bit of pain did not get worse, but it did not go away either. So that was another reason for thinking that the HHKB was not for me.

So I don't regret buying and trying my HHKB. It is a solid board, fun to type on, and I am glad I tried it. I just ended up liking my RF87U better.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: OnTheBrink on Wed, 07 June 2017, 08:35:29
My Type-S will always be the board I compare new boards to. Every time I try a new switch, I have to ask myself if it's better than my HHKB.

Although, my custom made Zealios 67g has now become my favorite board/switch.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: avid on Wed, 07 June 2017, 14:36:02
I had one but sold it. I kept my realforce 87 which i enjoy much more, both in terms of feeling and layout. However, hhkb was the first +200 board, which at the time i felt crazy. Now, spending 200-250 on a board seems normal.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: s0nia on Wed, 07 June 2017, 18:57:11
Not even. In fact, I actively appreciate it each and every single use.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: futurecrime on Thu, 08 June 2017, 17:32:21
Have had a 55g hypersphered HHKB for a couple of weeks. I completely love it.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ander on Thu, 08 June 2017, 17:40:28
[grouchy "I don't get the whole mini-KB thing" post deleted]
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shadowku on Thu, 08 June 2017, 23:30:37
I think one of the biggest problem people have with the HHKB is just the lack of an arrow cluster. I do sometimes wish that the original layout would have arrow keys, but its creator didn't need them for his work, and his original version didn't even have a fn layer for arrow keys.

I bought my HHKB off someone who had replaced it as his daily driver with a WhiteFox partly because he found it cumbersome to not have an arrow cluster. It then took me some time to adjust, which also included me having to install VIM mode on my XCode, which I now use everyday. But I'm not fully adjusted when I use Windows, so I got a Novatouch for home.

I really think it depends on what kind of typing you do and the environment you use, but if it weren't for the arrow cluster, I could see the HHKB becoming more common.

As for regrets, I have absolutely none. I appreciate it everyday and I do enjoy that I have been forced to become a more proficient VIM user, which, is a bigger challenge than getting used to the layout. The quality is great, and the sound and feel of it (it's lubed and 'sphered) brings joy to my fingers and ears. After I got it, I purged all my MX boards because I couldn't quite bear them anymore, so that could be a potential negative I suppose.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ComandaPanda on Fri, 09 June 2017, 11:59:21
Nope, best keyboard purchase ever.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 June 2017, 12:42:40
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: keebwarrior on Fri, 09 June 2017, 12:59:46
I would buy one if they had a split version
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: f32h80fsd08h34r5 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 00:36:53
Not in the slightest! In fact, it was one of the best decisions I ever made!

Only.. I thought that after I bought it, that I would stop buying keyboards all together because it was so great and why would I ever need another one.. but still the collection grows.

oh well, it's all a part of the cycle of clicks and clacks.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: czarek on Tue, 20 June 2017, 04:39:05
I already have second HHKB, as my previous one was very worn out. I use it a lot and it's one of my favourite keyboards, although it's definitely not the best keyboard of all times and depending on needs it might even be useless (normal MS Windows use is nasty, hitting Alt+F4 for example sucks, hitting Ctrl + Shift + F9 in Visual Studio hurts), but it's an iconinc keyboard nonetheless, and every collector should have at least one.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Marutks on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:40:43
I don't regret buying mine.  I love HHKB layout and topre switches.   I use it at work where I am mostly typing code in emacs.
It took me a while to get used to HHKB because I was using full size keyboards before.  Now I prefer 60% size.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 June 2017, 13:41:16
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.


Hahahahaha...

Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE,  is buyer's remorse rationalization..


There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..


Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Altis on Wed, 21 June 2017, 14:05:01
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.


Hahahahaha...

Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE,  is buyer's remorse rationalization..


There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..

Maybe, but then that can be said of most keyboards/switches.

Part of what I love about Topre switches is that they're extremely easy to live with. I can use them at work without disturbing anyone and still get a great typing experience.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Lazylewis on Thu, 22 June 2017, 16:15:45
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.


Hahahahaha...

Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE,  is buyer's remorse rationalization..


There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..

So one guy bought topre and his buyer's remorse rationalisation excited the next guy and so on until we reached the current state where topre is popular and loved based on only buyers remorse rationalisation? What about all the other expensive crap on this hobby ? The list is endless, so why does buyer's remorse rationalisation only apply to topre?

And what's so special about all the other switches? Nothing.


What's funny is my topre boards are among some of my most affordable keyboards, as usually they come with awesome keycaps. For example my filco with gmk penumbra costs more than my 660c...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 22 June 2017, 17:11:05
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.


Hahahahaha...

Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE,  is buyer's remorse rationalization..


There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..

So one guy bought topre and his buyer's remorse rationalisation excited the next guy and so on until we reached the current state where topre is popular and loved based on only buyers remorse rationalisation? What about all the other expensive crap on this hobby ? The list is endless, so why does buyer's remorse rationalisation only apply to topre?

And what's so special about all the other switches? Nothing.


What's funny is my topre boards are among some of my most affordable keyboards, as usually they come with awesome keycaps. For example my filco with gmk penumbra costs more than my 660c...


The phenomenon is called group thinking, that tends to be self feeding because the Topre community is one of the most vocal sub-communities within keyboard aficionado´s groups. At the same time, this community is full of people that actually like their Topre boards. The strange thing is the need to be reinforcing their preference, that makes rationalization a common place within this group. In all fairness, the same behavoir, maybe just a bit less evident, is sort of common in communities like ours, because value vs price paid for mechanical keyboard stuff is not self evident, so people tend to elaborate arguments that compensate for it. Think for example in Artisan stuff, which is a extreme example of a very weak value vs price paid relation.


The reason why your Topres appears to be more affordable is because they are less modable than for example how MX´s are.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Lazylewis on Fri, 23 June 2017, 16:31:55
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.


Hahahahaha...

Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE,  is buyer's remorse rationalization..


There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..

So one guy bought topre and his buyer's remorse rationalisation excited the next guy and so on until we reached the current state where topre is popular and loved based on only buyers remorse rationalisation? What about all the other expensive crap on this hobby ? The list is endless, so why does buyer's remorse rationalisation only apply to topre?

And what's so special about all the other switches? Nothing.


What's funny is my topre boards are among some of my most affordable keyboards, as usually they come with awesome keycaps. For example my filco with gmk penumbra costs more than my 660c...

The reason why your Topres appears to be more affordable is because they are less modable than for example how MX´s are.

Which is basically what I said. Topre boards don't need the keys replaced because most of them come with extremely high quality keycaps. My HHKB and 660c keycaps are some of the nicest I have. The filcos I buy must have their caps replaced because they are garbage. Not only are MX boards more moddable, but they usually require modding to be any good. Hence why I think topre boards aren't as expensive as people make out.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Auslander on Fri, 23 June 2017, 20:04:30
I'm really happy with my HHKB, since MX blues started to annoy me after a while, and MX browns didnt feel that great to me. I wish Type-S HHKB was available in black so i bought a silenced Realforce to make my own :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: pab on Sat, 24 June 2017, 17:33:01
The only thing I regret is not modding my HHKB to 55g sooner.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 25 June 2017, 16:02:07
My HHKB Pro 2 is still my go-to board for getting my work done. One of the best purchases I ever made. I like experimenting with other form factors, layouts, switches, etc., but thus far I've always come back to the HHKB.

I've ordered an Ellipse F62. It will be interesting to see if it will displace the HHKB from the top spot in my rotation.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 25 June 2017, 22:21:02
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.

:thumb:

:))
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: TopreFan333 on Mon, 26 June 2017, 17:05:10
Which is basically what I said. Topre boards don't need the keys replaced because most of them come with extremely high quality keycaps. My HHKB and 660c keycaps are some of the nicest I have. The filcos I buy must have their caps replaced because they are garbage. Not only are MX boards more moddable, but they usually require modding to be any good. Hence why I think topre boards aren't as expensive as people make out.

Exactly. And because my HHKB great looking, thick PBT caps from the get-go, and aside from the odd different-colored modifier key and a PBT spacebar I got, I'm not chasing every group buy to somehow "perfect" the look of my keyboard. It looked great out of the box and continues to look* and feel great several years of daily use later.

*as long as I Polident the caps from time to time.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: happylacquer on Tue, 27 June 2017, 09:53:52
****, I don't sign in for months and this is here still. Well, for what it's worth, I haven't had a HHKB for months and I hate it. I need to get a HHKB again  :'(
(I was about to Hasu a Pro1 and then couldn't bring myself to do it, so I sold it to get a Pro2, and hadn't got that Pro2 yet...)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shekki on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:20:33
Went from a Filco with mx blues to the HHKB. There was a time where I thought it was a complete joke (expensive, niche, and I thought it was ugly) Now after owning one for about three months, it has quickly become my favorite thing like ever. Some say it takes them a couple days/weeks to fall in love with the keypress, but for me it was love at first thock...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:55:43
No regrets but kinda upset that the media keys (Volume Up/Down/Mute) does not work in Windows; Mac only.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shekki on Thu, 29 June 2017, 00:34:48
No regrets but kinda upset that the media keys (Volume Up/Down/Mute) does not work in Windows; Mac only.

I have a hasu controller and my media keys work on Windows, not sure if this is well known
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shadowku on Thu, 29 June 2017, 11:46:32
No regrets but kinda upset that the media keys (Volume Up/Down/Mute) does not work in Windows; Mac only.

I have a hasu controller and my media keys work on Windows, not sure if this is well known

I have a hasu but I've been too lazy to set it up. Is it possible to make the same media keys work for both Mac and Windows? I don't want to use diff media keys depending on which OS I'm using.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shekki on Thu, 29 June 2017, 12:41:46
I have a hasu but I've been too lazy to set it up. Is it possible to make the same media keys work for both Mac and Windows? I don't want to use diff media keys depending on which OS I'm using.

Not sure about mac, hopefully someone else can help. I do highly recommend trying out the hasu, full programmability is quite a luxury. And it's dumb easy to use too
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 29 June 2017, 13:06:29
pretty sure they use different codes for the media keys. the media keys of the stock hhkb apparently do not work on windows, so i've read.
i don't think it would be too hard to set up a toggle, to quickly switch between windows and mac compatibility.

hm, actually. maybe you can simply create fn keys that just send both codes? i assume that windows would simply ignore the mac commands, and vice versa.

edit: in keycode.h i don't actually see two sets of media keys..
edit: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/332 looks like it should just work. i really wonder why the media keys of the stock hhkb don't work on windows, did they actually do that on purpose? it's weird.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: shadowku on Thu, 29 June 2017, 13:59:40
pretty sure they use different codes for the media keys. the media keys of the stock hhkb apparently do not work on windows, so i've read.
i don't think it would be too hard to set up a toggle, to quickly switch between windows and mac compatibility.

hm, actually. maybe you can simply create fn keys that just send both codes? i assume that windows would simply ignore the mac commands, and vice versa.

edit: in keycode.h i don't actually see two sets of media keys..
edit: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/332 looks like it should just work. i really wonder why the media keys of the stock hhkb don't work on windows, did they actually do that on purpose? it's weird.

That's awesome. Thanks a lot for that info.
Knowing that, I'll likely do the mod sooner and I'll probably hasu my FC660C too.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Darksair on Fri, 30 June 2017, 17:02:59
Well if you don’t use Emacs, don’t need caps lock, don’t need arrow keys, and don’t need numpad, …… it’s a pretty good board.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: robbles on Fri, 30 June 2017, 17:12:41
Well if you don’t use Emacs, don’t need caps lock, don’t need arrow keys, and don’t need numpad, …… it’s a pretty good board.

I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing and it is just fine :thumb: Nice try though. Its a really versatile 60%.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Darksair on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:01:11
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing and it is just fine :thumb: Nice try though. Its a really versatile 60%.

Writing Javascript is probably fine, I don’t think the js community has the convention of using uppercase for constants, so it’s safe to map ctrl on caps lock.  But still, caps lock is super useful when you want to shout at people. :))
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:52:10
Going through this feeling now. I bought mine, and it didn't "ruin" my other boards, but I definitely haven't had any desire to use them since my hhkb came in.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: robbles on Fri, 30 June 2017, 21:40:01
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing and it is just fine :thumb: Nice try though. Its a really versatile 60%.

Writing Javascript is probably fine, I don’t think the js community has the convention of using uppercase for constants, so it’s safe to map ctrl on caps lock.  But still, caps lock is super useful when you want to shout at people. :))

Caps Lock is mapped to Fn+Tab by default. It's not like the key doesn't exist. Uppercase is used in patterns like flux and redux for actions. Once you learn to type while holding shift, the caps lock becomes pretty useless.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: antquinonez on Fri, 30 June 2017, 22:03:18
Caps Lock is mapped to Fn+Tab by default. It's not like the key doesn't exist. Uppercase is used in patterns like flux and redux for actions. Once you learn to type while holding shift, the caps lock becomes pretty useless.

Keyboard short-cuts for first order commands? Now, if the HHKB was a standard, the way of the future, something with some serious ROI, well why not? But why? I'm just mentally lazy, I guess (I know).
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 01 July 2017, 05:54:10
Well, double keyboards for typing lower-case and upper-case letters without Shift have been gone for a century or so already. Are you going to complain about that too, or is just the familiarity with IBM Model M layout to blame?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: antquinonez on Sat, 01 July 2017, 12:47:52
Well, double keyboards for typing lower-case and upper-case letters without Shift have been gone for a century or so already. Are you going to complain about that too, or is just the familiarity with IBM Model M layout to blame?

Is the burden of learning a new keyboard system worth it? Can I take this knowledge and apply it to another company's products? Is it a standard? What's the point?

Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 02 July 2017, 05:25:39
No, most things about keyboards haven't been "worth it" for almost 50 years, because computers have enabled automation.

It takes a while, though. After all, progress happens only after old rigid people die.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: clasicks on Sun, 02 July 2017, 07:55:00
Not at all, i love my hhkb!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: brianjking on Sun, 02 July 2017, 15:03:42
Not at all. My only HHKB related regret would be not getting a Type-S when I purchased my JIS layout board.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 02 July 2017, 15:28:52
When I first got it.. I did regret a little. But now, after I modded, I LOVE IT

-55g RF Domes
-Lubed sliders Purple RF silent sliders
-PBT space bar.
-Lubed stabs and put bumpons underneath bar to help dampen the sound.
-Bumpons on the bottom to replace crappy factory ones.



The spacebar rattle was the hardest for me to over come at first.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 03 January 2019, 21:40:36
Two years in and I still do not regret...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 03 January 2019, 21:55:17
My dad's a Topre man. He mainly uses a Realforce 104UB w/ all black blanks like a badass, but has a HHKB in all-white w/ blanks he uses for travel. I told him using blanks makes him cooler, which I think no one can deny.

As an MX man it's my fault for recommending Topre after evaluating his needs, but he seems to love them. Hell, he's written three books with them over the years (damn has it really been that long already?)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 03 January 2019, 21:56:30
My dad's a Topre man. He mainly uses a Realforce 104UB w/ all black blanks like a badass, but has a HHKB in all-white w/ blanks he uses for travel. I told him using blanks makes him cooler, which I think no one can deny.

As an MX man it's my fault for recommending Topre after evaluating his needs, but he seems to love them. Hell, he's written three books with them over the years (damn has it really been that long already?)

I love my MX board and hhkb.. I think my "favorite" changes with my mood haha
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 03 January 2019, 22:02:49
I had a negative experience because my one and only Topre board was a high profile model and I hated it. MAYBE someday I'll give the HHKB a real shot.

I'm not gonna lie, lubed Pandas can only keep me hard for so many years, but my go-to daily driver is just so much better than anything else I have.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 03 January 2019, 22:07:06
I had a negative experience because my one and only Topre board was a high profile model and I hated it. MAYBE someday I'll give the HHKB a real shot.

I'm not gonna lie, lubed Pandas can only keep me hard for so many years, but my go-to daily driver is just so much better than anything else I have.

I am not a huge fan of stock hhkb but I love it lubed, silenced (properly, with Type S or Purple Sliders) and with 55g domes.

It is for sure one of my favorite typing experiences
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 03 January 2019, 22:15:57
I had a negative experience because my one and only Topre board was a high profile model and I hated it. MAYBE someday I'll give the HHKB a real shot.

I'm not gonna lie, lubed Pandas can only keep me hard for so many years, but my go-to daily driver is just so much better than anything else I have.

i've never tried the high profile topre caps, but i imagine they're like SA profile caps.  cool retro look but absolute trash to type with.

try HHKB.  it's a beautiful little board that's great for plopping on your laptop while on the couch.  plus clacks look great on them. :)
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ollir_ on Fri, 04 January 2019, 16:52:10
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?

Why do people think sex is greater than masturbation?

Because of the layout?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 04 January 2019, 17:06:46
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?

Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.

Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?

Why do people think sex is greater than masturbation?

Because of the layout?

Because of the feeeeeeeeellllls
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Sup on Fri, 04 January 2019, 22:25:56
I do not regret buying a HHKB Pro 2 or a Pro 1,Realforce 89u,Realforce 87u,Realforce 104UG. But i had to sell those off because linears are my life. I spend way to much cash on Topre but i found out a while back that linear is the switch i love the most. If Topre manages to make a linear dome keyboard i will buy it even though it will probably never happen anyway.  :(
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 04 January 2019, 22:40:36
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: naasfu on Fri, 04 January 2019, 23:17:32
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!

i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs.  i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 05 January 2019, 18:21:25
Finally found a use for my hhkb.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/ce6cc738921a342d8f055798739fd857.jpg)

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: atlas3686 on Thu, 10 January 2019, 02:39:52
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!

i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs.  i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.


Also want a HHKB BT now but don't want to lose the Type-s feels. Have considered a hasu controller a few times but haven't heard the best things. What's your battery life like? and do you have connection troubles?
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 10 January 2019, 03:41:38
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!

i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs.  i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.


Also want a HHKB BT now but don't want to lose the Type-s feels. Have considered a hasu controller a few times but haven't heard the best things. What's your battery life like? and do you have connection troubles?

battery life has been fine for me.  i haven't kept track of exactly how long, but i can do maybe a couple of hours per night for a week without having to charge.

connection wise, they've been fine with my macbooks, but i haven't been able to pair them with my windows desktop machine.  i don't know whether the problem is with my old PC's bluetooth support (i've had issues connecting a PS4 controller before), or if it's user error because i don't really understand how to get the hasu controller to pair with more than one device at a time.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: atlas3686 on Thu, 10 January 2019, 06:05:17
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!

i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs.  i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.


Also want a HHKB BT now but don't want to lose the Type-s feels. Have considered a hasu controller a few times but haven't heard the best things. What's your battery life like? and do you have connection troubles?

battery life has been fine for me.  i haven't kept track of exactly how long, but i can do maybe a couple of hours per night for a week without having to charge.

connection wise, they've been fine with my macbooks, but i haven't been able to pair them with my windows desktop machine.  i don't know whether the problem is with my old PC's bluetooth support (i've had issues connecting a PS4 controller before), or if it's user error because i don't really understand how to get the hasu controller to pair with more than one device at a time.

Thanks, doesn't sound too bad. Getting BT devices to pair with more than one device at a time seems to be an issue for everyone, just got a set of Sony WH1000X headphones and even they seem to struggle when changing devices...
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: no, the other guy on Thu, 10 January 2019, 06:24:39
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing

You can never have enough punishment for writing JS.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ian13 on Mon, 14 January 2019, 19:29:10
Regret it? At first, when it was stock. I just can't stand the spacebar sound. And the spacebar stabilizer rattle? Ugghh!!

And then I lubed it. I lubed it pretty good. Now I don't use my other boards as often as I use my HHKB. It's that good.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 14 January 2019, 20:16:05
Regret it? At first, when it was stock. I just can't stand the spacebar sound. And the spacebar stabilizer rattle? Ugghh!!

And then I lubed it. I lubed it pretty good. Now I don't use my other boards as often as I use my HHKB. It's that good.

I FINALLY have my SB silencing down. I put slightly larger bumpons next to the stock ones (under the SB), I put o-rings on the stabs on the SB and I looked the crap out of it
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: naasfu on Wed, 16 January 2019, 15:44:59
speaking of regret. is there any info about v3?  i’m guessing that’ll be a disappointment.

hhkb2 too good.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 February 2019, 20:02:57
Ongoing lack of regret here, except for the fact that I have lost mine.

It will turn up eventually - a house move or two does that to things.
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: Applet on Thu, 14 February 2019, 03:12:08
My only regret with the HHKB is that I lost some of my interest of building customs. Why build a new pretty keyboard when I'm going to end up using the HHKB anyway?  ;D
Title: Re: Do you regret buying your HHKB?
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 14 February 2019, 06:30:21
Not really. It's nice, but not a stand-out among my other boards. I think it would tower above everything if I didn't have boards with partial and polycarb plates though. Topre is very comfortable, especially when it's case-mounted.