I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
for $235, hopefully the best plastic known to manI don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
It's more than plastic, mang. It's all the innocence and love in the world compacted into a 60% keyboard. :Dfor $235, hopefully the best plastic known to manI don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I regret not getting one sooner. Bought a type-S, sold my ergodox/poker 2. Bought another HHKB (jap version) for work. One is fully programmable, the other will be soon. Mouse keys, Dual modifiers, layer togglebility (new word) == awesomeness. Did I mention I type Colemak?Using Hasu's controller for the programmability?
I thought the 60% layout would be perfect for programming usage. Am I wrong thinking that?No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I thought the 60% layout would be perfect for programming usage. Am I wrong thinking that?No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
It's really a combination of the default layout, Topre switches, and default PBT Keycaps. If you lose any of those three things the separation from other 60% boards is gone. I definitely recommend giving it a shot if you get a chance.
Now the question you should really be asking is this: "If the Pok3r came with both a 45g and 55g Topre switch option would the HHKB still be king?"
And that is something I can't really answer.
What did you dislike about it? I can't really feel a difference between my HHKB and my Type-S, but I can understand disliking the sound. Was it the whistling?
I don't mind the clacking of the standard HHKB at home, but I needed a silenced one for uni.
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.This topic is for people who bought one.
Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).
So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it :p . Model F for life!!!!
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I am ready for the war!
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.This topic is for people who bought one.
Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).
So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it :p . Model F for life!!!!
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I am ready for the war!
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.This topic is for people who bought one.
Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).
So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it :p . Model F for life!!!!
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I am ready for the war!
I guess only people who still have one can post, then? Because the question is about "your" HHKB.
Does it excludes people who didn't like it and have sold it? Because when you sell it it's not yours anymore. :)
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
During the Montreal meetup, I was lucky to be able to try many keyboards I had never tried. Among them were Topre. I tried different Topre keyboard there. I am happy that I didn't buy a Topre keyboard. While I agree that the build construction was good for a modern keyboard, the switches were WAY too soft for my personal taste and it was so cushioned when bottoming out that it really felt like an improved version of a rubber dome. Much improved, but still much rubber.This topic is for people who bought one.
Now I don't want to start a war because I can understand how someone that prefer light switches and smooth cushioned feeling would like the Topre keyboards, but it really felt weak compared to my model F. In fact, the only other switch that got my interest was the Hall effect (the ones Dorkvader had restored).
So my answer is NO, I don't regret buying a HHBK because I didn't buy one. If I did, I would regret it :p . Model F for life!!!!
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I am ready for the war!
I guess only people who still have one can post, then? Because the question is about "your" HHKB.
Does it excludes people who didn't like it and have sold it? Because when you sell it it's not yours anymore. :)
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The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.
If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.
Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?
also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.
I agree with this statement.
Apologies but since there are a few owners in here, Semi-off topic question - Seeing as the FC660C is known for a heavier actuation has anyone gone and tried dome swapping with a HHKB? To get a heavier feel?
I have never regretted owning the HHKB.
If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.
Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?
also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.I have never regretted owning the HHKB.
If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.
Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?
also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.
Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.I have never regretted owning the HHKB.
If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.
Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?
also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.
Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
oh wait, i didnt buy mine so no.
i do regret wasting all that money on other crap instead of going straight to it since it's the board i wanted since the beginning.
oh wait, i didnt buy mine so no.
i do regret wasting all that money on other crap instead of going straight to it since it's the board i wanted since the beginning.
Same. My Cherry-based board brings me no joy now and I'll be selling it soon.
What is the best (considering pricing, consumer support, shipment rates, warranty policies) place to get the HHKB? I was thinking in buying a Leopold 660 or backlit Pok3r (whatever I can get my hands on first) but following this thread is messing my head up so badly. D: I haven't ever touched a topre and no way to do it unless I get it online. I'm in México, this place is still pretty uncivilized.
Pure type-s. It feels the same way as my Novatouch did when I silenced modded it but didn't flatten the pads enough. Compared to Stock Topre, you lose way too much tactility IMHO.I have never regretted owning the HHKB.
If you have tried typing on one, you will know that the feeling is so different as compared to typing on the other cherry keys and somehow it just makes you want to type more.
Not only that, my typing accuracy has also improved.
Never tried the Type-S though.
May or may not prefer that over standard.
I started with the Type-S and I must admit that I don't like it over my Novatouch. The keyboard is perfectly silent but you lose all the tactility. It has no point in using it as a Topre board IMHO. If you want a linear board just go for MX they have a wider choice and better choices. Topre is defined by his tactility IMHO.does anyone actually prefer a regular/non-silent HHKB or self-silenced (modded) over the HHKB Type-S?
also; does the USB hub on the HHKB use power, even when nothing is plugged into either of the slots?
because i've seen people talk about disconnecting the USB hub, so i wondered what the reason to do this is..
I own only and have tried only one HHKB: 55g Type-S. I don't like it. The board is beautiful but the Type-S remove all tactility from the switches which is pointless for me. However it is really quiet. I have a Novatouch which I love. I silence modded it and it is better than the Type-S in terms of feel. The problem with the Type-s is that the foam ring they use are not thin enough on the normal plunger hence it affects the key travel which equals in loss of tactility.
Not sure what type of "Type-S" you have but it should still retain tactility...Did you get a dental mod one or something?
Gotta agree. I didn't like the feel or sound of the type S at all. The stock switches are a joy though. Sold my type-s and bought another stock.
yes.
That's a decent price. I'm considering buying it from Amazon Japan, apparently my country has a commercial treaty with Japan making high tech products free of importing taxes. I'm still thinking / measuring my options.What is the best (considering pricing, consumer support, shipment rates, warranty policies) place to get the HHKB? I was thinking in buying a Leopold 660 or backlit Pok3r (whatever I can get my hands on first) but following this thread is messing my head up so badly. D: I haven't ever touched a topre and no way to do it unless I get it online. I'm in México, this place is still pretty uncivilized.
I would just keep an eye out on the GH classified ads and also reddit.com/r/mechmarket I bought my HHKB for $215 USD shipped and it is the greatest keyboard I have owned. I am new to the community, but I have already had 4 other keyboards in the past month. The only other one I truly loved is my poker ii with mx browns.
No, because I've personally bought only the Lite. It's helped me realize the layout is pretty stupid (or rather completely retarded), except for the backspace location.
ErgoDox on the other hand…
…or even Noppoo Choc Mini for that matter…
I don't regret not buying one... <layout, flexibility, sliding feet, rubber domes, sore fingers, different material spacebar, price = no thanks>
Price - many say you pay for what you get :)Like Monster Audio Cables (http://www.monsterproducts.com/Fiber_Optic_600dfo_High_Performance_Audio_Cable)?
Price - many say you pay for what you get :)Like Monster Audio Cables (http://www.monsterproducts.com/Fiber_Optic_600dfo_High_Performance_Audio_Cable)?
Sorry, I could not resist. Although there is a correlation between quality and price, you cannot apply this reasoning to one particular case. I have nothing against HHKB. The only thing I know about it is that it is not for me since it is not a contoured matrix keyboard. And HHKB's price is dangerously near to Kinesis Advantage (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kinesis-advantage) (which has on-the-fly remap/macro). And if you are willing to swap controller, then you can do it on Kinesis too (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56923.msg1620078#msg1620078).
One could argue that HHKB is more portable. Well, why would I move it around? Some simple staggered keyboard will be available on the spot everywhere. Well, that is me. Some people probably like topre so much that they will haul a keyboard with them everywhere :)
I regret opening this thread.
Bought a HHKB, sold it and got a Realforce 87u 55g instead.
Bought a HHKB, sold it and got a Realforce 87u 55g instead.
I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others. I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though. Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others. I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though. Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues. I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others. I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though. Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues. I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.
How's the build quality on the PLUM? I have a friend who refuses to try my hhkb purely on the fact that there's no lighting option available on it (sigh) and if the PLUM can do justice to electro capacitives I may try to steer him that way.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others. I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though. Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
yeah - I don't have the stomach for finding such issues. I think I'll stick with the PLUM electro capactives instead.
How's the build quality on the PLUM? I have a friend who refuses to try my hhkb purely on the fact that there's no lighting option available on it (sigh) and if the PLUM can do justice to electro capacitives I may try to steer him that way.
I don't know but I was ok with the build quality on my Royal Kludge boards which I think PLUM had a hand in.
I'm only looking at the PLUM mostly because it's 35g and comes in 75% layout. Realforce has yet to sell a 87U 30g uniform board.
Already??I regret buying mine. Not a popular opinion around here, but I found out that I do not like Topre switches. Luckily, they go for quite a bit on the resale market so I didn't lose out on much.
I regret buying mine also, my Realforce is one of the best keyboards ive ever used, my HHKB though not so much at all.
Yeah, i think it might have been a dud HHKB with low QC or something though since a ton of the keycaps on it were crooked, the stems were visible clear as day through the top of the keycaps (my Realforce doesnt have any of those issues) and the Topre switches in that HHKB felt non consistent and rough, some keys felt much better than others though, it was impossible to comfortably type on it though since some keys really did feel heavier than others. I read that Topre domes can dry out though over time and make the switches feel rough and not as responsive, My HHKB is a 2010 model so i think that could very well be it. So i opened it up and found a few of switches had a good amount of lube applied on them while others were completely dry without it, i took note of the switches that had lube applied and put it back together and those were the switches that felt much better and smooth. Still not sure why some feel heavier than others though. Ill probably buy a brand new HHKB one day to give it another chance since i got mine used and i really think its just one that got by with low QC.
Seeing many people defending their purchases here.
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?
This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?
This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.
My only regret going with the HHKB is that now I want to buy the Type-S, when I initially couldn't justify the $300 price tag.
If you add Hypersphere's silencing rings to your regular HHKB, that should basically make it a Type-S since both have same type of sliders.
I do not regret buying my HHKB. It's one of the best purchases I have made. I must admit though that quality is lower than I expected: some keycaps are on the stem with a slight twist and the spacing is a little of. That, plus the rubber feet are too slippery.
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
I do not regret buying my HHKB. It's one of the best purchases I have made. I must admit though that quality is lower than I expected: some keycaps are on the stem with a slight twist and the spacing is a little of. That, plus the rubber feet are too slippery.
I have not had any of the twisted keycap/crooked cap issues on either of my HHKB's that i can see anyway that several seem to mention...
However i do agree the Feet suck..were it not for the fact my wrist rest keeps it from slipping i would be making my own for the board.
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.
The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.
The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.
I just bought a second hhkb so I can try stock
After having a lubed and dental banded 45g and 55g then type-s I've settled on stock 45g with pbt spacebar.
You didn't like lubed and dental bands? What didn't you like about the experience? 45g HHKB is already extremely smooth though.
The lube was probably ok but not worth the time to do it again, as far as the dental bands they just took away too much from the keystroke.
Hmm... good to know. Gonna try the dental bands mod myself but first time to buy a spare HHKB. Will be difficult to get the bands from the Netherlands. I've tried once but shipping costs were really insane.
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
I agree with you on this one. This is getting a bit like "HHKB Pro 2 love" thread #2. :D
can mods lock this thread please? no one regrets it.
I agree with you on this one. This is getting a bit like "HHKB Pro 2 love" thread #2. :D
Everyone who posts their regret should be banned.Because that's how you deal with different opinions.
No arrow keys. Depending on your use, you end up spending the whole day pressing Fn with your pinky: sure way to get RSI after a few months or years.I mean in the HHKB's defense, if you need to use arrow keys often you really shouldn't be even looking at 60% or happy layouts in the first place
I'm on the HHKB Pro JIS train as well, currently tmk'ed with most of the ISO layout changed back to ANSI.
I regret buying the Pro 2 a little, as its gathering dust, but it did highlight how much I depend on an arrow cluster.
How crooked are all your HHKB keys?
This is something expected from Unicomp; not a $200+ Made in Japan product.
I'm just wondering what tmk'ed means. Sounds very interesting to me...
I'm on the HHKB Pro JIS train as well, currently tmk'ed with most of the ISO layout changed back to ANSI.
I regret buying the Pro 2 a little, as its gathering dust, but it did highlight how much I depend on an arrow cluster.
So you really didn't get used to the diamond arrow keys on the HHKB?
So you really didn't get used to the diamond arrow keys on the HHKB?
Yeah gave it a good shot over a few months. Had more success using wasd keys, likely due to many years gaming ;D The biggest problem I had was using other peoples keyboards.
Ahhh makes sense. I must say, in OSX it is more difficult to use arrow keys because a lot of functions to go to the beginning/end of words / lines also rely on painful shortcuts (like stock emacs). So I had to learn to combine the diamond keys AND the OSX built-in keystrokes. Was difficult to adjust the first 2-3 weeks working with Word I must admit.
I'm just wondering what tmk'ed means. Sounds very interesting to me...
Hasu's custom controller boards and firmware - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71517.0)
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.
So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
Yes I kind of do regret buying my HHKB. Two of them.
No other keyboard cuts it anymore. It's like crack, once you thock you can't stop. Realforce is in the closet and majority of my other keyboards are long gone.
HHKB isn't perfect by any means but it's still easily the most fun keyboard I have ever used.
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?
Yep, at least for the foreseeable future. My second HHKB was my first keyboard purchase within last few years.
So basically what you are saying is: HHBK ruined keyboarding for you and HHKB is endgame?
Yep, at least for the foreseeable future. My second HHKB was my first keyboard purchase within last few years.
Have you tried MX Clears already? Those are the only Cherry switches I occasionally prefer OVER Topre.
I haven't had the chance to try Clears but from what I've read they're said to be heavier BrownsThen it's said wrong. Why would ergo clears (or purple zealios) even exist, if clears were just heavier browns? For that matter, heavier browns (aka tactoblacks) feel like ****.
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D
But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.
So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.
So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D
But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.
I regret the invention of the HHKB
You guys who run with the HHKB clearly don't work in finance or accounting. How anyone could go without arrows, F key row, and numpad while in MS excel blows my mind.Function layer. And they make stand alone numpads.
The HHKB would be awesome if it was a TKL, oh wait...that's a Realforce :D
But that has a hard-ass plate. Gimme plastic case mounted 55g tkl and I'd consider regretting having 2 HHKB in the house.
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.
So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
I just bought cabinet door bumpers similar to this for the bottom of my HHKB...
http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers
The only thing I regret about my hhkb's is that I didn't buy them first, I spent a ton of money on mx boards and caps. Oh well, you live and you learn.Yeah, but you've probably already sold the cherry caps and boards and in the end didn't lose that much money...sets go the same if not higher than in GB/retail, boards are different story, but if you bought used you're actually even :)
The only thing I regret about my hhkb's is that I didn't buy them first, I spent a ton of money on mx boards and caps. Oh well, you live and you learn.Yeah, but you've probably already sold the cherry caps and boards and in the end didn't lose that much money...sets go the same if not higher than in GB/retail, boards are different story, but if you bought used you're actually even :)
I really like hhkb's, probably the cutest board in existence, had three sold, one's on the way but buttery vintage blacks in alu case are just on another level imho :rolleyes:
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.
Mmm... once I build my supreme gaming rig probably after WWDC time to get me one of them lubed black boards.. probably not as smooth as vintage blacks but still smooth. O and o-rings.
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.
Different, they're linear so it's not really relevant to compare...but to me the vintage 55g blacks feel more refined, lighter, smoother... I'm neither a fan of topre or cherry or BS, I just like what feels good and vintages are probably the best keyboard experience -> in combination with other factors too of course :)
You're right about vintage blacks. I'm still a huge fan of topre, but mmm love me some buttereh smooth blacks.
Mmm... once I build my supreme gaming rig probably after WWDC time to get me one of them lubed black boards.. probably not as smooth as vintage blacks but still smooth. O and o-rings.
As I understand this thread is now turned into a discussion about what we love & hate/would want to change in HHKB.
So I just wanted to ask - do you move your HHKB around that much while you're typing? I thought that owning a HHKB is like owning a drift car but really I haven't had any issues with it sliding around much. But then again my wpm is ~50 so I'm not that fast.
I just bought cabinet door bumpers similar to this for the bottom of my HHKB...
http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers (http://www.amazon.com/Bumpers-Small-Diameter-Thick-Sheet/dp/B003F092P6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1461640136&sr=8-7&keywords=cabinet+door+bumpers)
Do these actually work? They still seem a bit small..
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?I thought you had one?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?I thought you had one?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.
But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.
But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?I thought you had one?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.
Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches :-X
the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.
But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
then demik, did you mod your HHKB to 55g? Since then you can have the best of both worlds!
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.
But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not
pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not
The only thing I regret about my HHKB is buying other boards first.Just came across this thread and first thing I find odd is what you said nubbs - thought you thought HHKB was just ok. This statement speaks of HUGE love for HHKB.
It was the FC660C and the NovaTouch that were uninspiring.
I would never regret buying my HHKB... 6 years ago.
I would never regret buying my HHKB... 6 years ago.
I'm curious if you've noticed any changes in the feel over that time?
wow, you are truly missing out! I don't think anyone here who tried a HHKB has bad things to say about it. There's thousands of Love thread for HHKB. Go get one nao, try the Bluetooth version! :eek:Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?I thought you had one?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
But yes, its the ultimate Topre experience.
Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches :-X
the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....
Not yet, am still a little intimidated by the thought of buying a $200+ board with unfamiliar layout and unfamiliar switches :-X
the irony is I would not hesitate to spend that kind of money on artisan keycaps... the world is funny sometimes....
Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P
When I bought my HHKB, it was black printed. I have also bought the white printed and white blanks keys. I interchange them once a while.Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P
You have the black printed keycaps already? I'm seeing that you have a HHKB with white (printed?) key set. Would be interested in trading blacks in for whites IF you don't have the black ones. :D
When I bought my HHKB, it was black printed. I have also bought the white printed and white blanks keys. I interchange them once a while.Once I have time to switch my caps back to the default black printed, I will put mine on classified. I want to buy the Bluetooth HHKB! :P :P
You have the black printed keycaps already? I'm seeing that you have a HHKB with white (printed?) key set. Would be interested in trading blacks in for whites IF you don't have the black ones. :D
I regret selling mine :'(
no mane I only habe 1 hhkbI regret selling mine :'(
Haven't you bought and sold one like 3 times already?
I regret selling mine :'(rekt'd
Guys, are really HHKB the de facto of Topre?
Sorry if I sound like a MX peasant but I am still slowly at the researching phase, trying to find my way into the World of Cup Rubber.
The more I read about HHKB in GH, the more I felt like it is being glorified to an extend that it is like one of those cults or some sort.
Is it really that amazing?
On a second note, I think will try to go the 45g route compared to the 55g route as my weakling fingers cant stand that extra 10g of weights.
De facto topre? No. That would be 55g RF. It's just a buttery smooth switch right out the box it's ridiculous.
But, I'm not a fan of tkl. Hhkb size and layout is op.
pls don't call 55g RF buttery smooth cuz its not
I'm actually a little worried about this too. Same with buckling spring:/ I guess we'll find out. If it feels nice it feels nice.
@funderburkerpoisoned :-[
It's beautiful with white printed.Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160428/7be74b1c93949026509556b0e06f1a83.jpg)
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.
Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
I always bottom out switches, Topre 55g, Cherry MX Clears or BS.At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.
Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
I don't regret mine one bit. I used to type on a Realforce. Then I found out I could get a tiny board with only 60 keys that would require me to use multi-key combinations for the simplest things. "Wow," I thought, "why have I been saving all this effort?" Now I delight in tying my fingers into knots to do something like moving a cursor.
In fact, I'm so jazzed by this miniaturization trend, I've almost decided to dump my PC and do all of my writing and Internet usage from my phone, which is even smaller and harder to use.
When you think about it, true technological progress has a natural arc: Things get easier and easier; then, for one reason or another, they get harder and harder, until eventually it's almost impossible to do anything. Don't ask me why. It's just a phenomenon of nature.
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!Not every user interface requires function keys, and you ought to know that as a programmer.
I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!Not every user interface requires function keys, and you ought to know that as a programmer.
I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
At first I regretted my purchase, only because I wasn't a fan of the 45g Topre (far too light). However, I fell so in love with the layout (I'm a big Emacs + Unix user) that I swapped in 55g domes from my Realforce. Now I have no regrets. :)Do you bottom out on 55g? I've read on here that Topre isn't supposed to be a bottom out switch, but it feels impossible to not bottom out by design.
Speaking of which, if anyone is looking for a Realforce 87UB with a mixture of 45 and 55g switches, I'm willing to part with it for pretty cheap. :)
As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!
I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
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As a programmer - the HHKB is completely useless without the F keys. They're used to commence compile, step around the program etc. Though, I'll concede F keys are useless to most web developers who deal with HTML and javascript! Damn, even for using MS Word, F keys are useful!
I know, I know, you can press this key down with one hand and then another key to get F key functionality but changing a one-hand operation to a two-hand operation is bad. The point of a keyboard is to work with you, not against you, so as someone who has used a keyboard without F keys, I'd actually question why you haven't looked to other keyboards!
I don't use the word dope very often ...
But this is totally dope: https://imgur.com/a/HRkRA#6uMGane
I only regret paying so much for it because I didn't know that I'd be going to Japan so soon.
I love my hhkb type-s. I did however change some things on it that made it more lovable... the biggest being the Hasu Bluetooth controller. That is a must for any hhkb in my opinion.
Now i just need to find a black one :)
I love my hhkb type-s. I did however change some things on it that made it more lovable... the biggest being the Hasu Bluetooth controller. That is a must for any hhkb in my opinion.
Now i just need to find a black one :)
If you want a black Pro non-2 then you could help me fund my first Type S ;D
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.
I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.
That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..
Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant.
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace. You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...
It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense.
the shifted alphanumeric keys on the bottom row does not bug me at all, or maybe i'm already used to it? was using JIS keyboards waaaay back, Pro JP at home, and a Novatouch at office.
i find the Pro2 hard to use in my office though, specially when dealing with excel sheets. or maybe i am having a hard time hitting the FN key with my right pinky and using its arrow keys
I agree! Before I actually tried the HHKB, people kept urging me to try it but I continually put if off, thinking that I could never get accustomed to the seemingly weird layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. When I finally got my first HHKB, I was amazed at how quickly I adjusted to the positions of the Backspace and Ctrl keys. At first, using remapping software, I tried various non-default positions for the arrow keys, but I soon found that the default cursor diamond was the best location for me.I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.
That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..
Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant.
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace. You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...
It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense.
Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?I agree! Before I actually tried the HHKB, people kept urging me to try it but I continually put if off, thinking that I could never get accustomed to the seemingly weird layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys. When I finally got my first HHKB, I was amazed at how quickly I adjusted to the positions of the Backspace and Ctrl keys. At first, using remapping software, I tried various non-default positions for the arrow keys, but I soon found that the default cursor diamond was the best location for me.I do wish that I considered purchasing the HHKB JP instead of the regular HHKB. I know the regular HHKB has a great layout, however, the JP with the arrow keys seems more preferable to me.
That seems logical at first....but what seems like a good idea (dedicated arrow keys) ends up being worse in the long run..
Here's what you have to get used to as a trade off..
shifted bottom alpha numerics...they're not in a normal place which means your normal typing needs to adjust to the new layout.
Right shift is in a different spot which takes time to get used to It is 1.75 (or so) over from where it might normally be which is very significant.
ISO type return which is ok if you're used to that, not so if you're not.
1U backspace. You also give up the \ position of the backspace on the US layout...
It just ends up being a bad idea overall...you're better off just getting used to using the arrows on the US layout..after while it is easy..just use your right pinky for fn and it starts making sense.
Being a keyboard enthusiast, I like to use a variety of keyboards, but since using the HHKB, I remap all others to a HHKB-like layout. This works well on many keyboards, but it usually fails on those in the twilight zone between 60% and TKL -- now I find that squeezing arrow keys into the configuration just gets in the way.
No, I haven't tried the JP variant of the HHKB. The original just makes much more sense to me, and so I have not seen the need to try the JP model.
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Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?
I might switch to a JP version, just because it may be more beneficial in the long run. I use my keyboard for typing papers and coding, so I think the addition of arrow keys in such a compact board wouldn't be overly necessary. However, the extra keys and improved functionality makes a little more sense. I see potential issues with the JP version because the keys by the "Enter" key aren't supposed to be there on ANSI, so I have no clue what they'd map to. Also, finding keycaps for those mappings may be difficult as well. Thoughts?No, I haven't tried the JP variant of the HHKB. The original just makes much more sense to me, and so I have not seen the need to try the JP model.
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Agreed! I find the HHKB layout to make so much sense! Have you tried a JP yet?
Although I use my HHKB most of the time, I like to rotate through my collection. For the most part, my favorite form factors are 60%, TKL, and full-size. I've tried various boards that occupy the twilight zone between 60% and TKL, such as the Leopold FC660C. The problem is that these intermediate designs try to squeeze arrow keys into the lower right portion of the board, where they tend to interfere with my preferred placement of the Fn key and modifiers.
Because my favorite layout is HHKB, I can remap non-HHKB boards to something like the HHKB configuration if their form factor is 60%, TKL, or full-size, but this becomes problematic with the in-between boards.
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?
Is there any reason to regret buying a stock BT type s as opposed to normal type s and hasu kit?
Regardless, that giant battery bulge on the factory BT model is a major turnoff for me.
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards. That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches. The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!
After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards. That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches. The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!
Sure thing! When are you planning on uploading again?After having owned and sold two HHKB's pro 2's I definitely do not regret the experience and they are really nice boards. That being said however in the long run I discovered I truly just prefer Cherry MX or Cherry style switches. The HHKB really was a nice keyboard and the feeling of Cup Rubber was nice and all but in the long run it just didn't feel very "mechanical", it was insanely comfortable and unique but I ended up missing that true mechanical feel so these days I stick to Matias clicky,Outemu Blacks and MX Browns which was my favorite switch when I started getting into the hobby to begin with (Talk about going full circle).Hey Liquid! Your review of the HHKB is what convinced me to buy one, so thanks!
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy many faithful years of your HHKB Pro 2.
They really among the Topre boards are easily my favorite without question.
Soon hopefully, have been playing housemaid to my wife as she had quite a severe foot injury and has been on bedrest for the last two months.Hope everything works out well!
i regret it everyday i breatheytho
i regret it everyday i breathe
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i regret it everyday i breatheytho
I think it is understated how easy the HHKB is to take apart and lube. Compared to an MX board, depending on how your switches are mounted, you have to open each switch individually with a special tool. And you may even have to desolder every single switch first. With the HHKB all you need is a screw driver. If you want to be lazy about it, you don't even have to take the keycaps or sliders off. The way it is built also makes it incredibly easy to clean thoroughly. Easily swapping springs on Topre isn't possible but you can harvest 55g domes if you really want. For these reasons, I think it is a board everyone should at least try. Sure it is an expensive initial investment, but you can always sell it back for close to cost if you don't like it. You'll also save money on other crap boards you would have bought if you never experienced the HHKB love :thumb:Good point. Another easy-open board is the Realforce RF87U -- no tools at all are needed to open the case and no seal to break to void the warranty. This is in stark contrast to the CM Novatouch, which can be a challenge to open up.
Glad I read this. I am going to order some Hypersheres soon and I already have my lube. Was a little nervous on opening the case up.
i regret it everyday i breatheytho
i regret it everyday i breatheytho
Hhkb good at collecting dust
i regret it everyday i breatheSell it? To me? For cheaps? Then you will feel much better, I promise.
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Hahahahaha...
Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE, is buyer's remorse rationalization..
There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Hahahahaha...
Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE, is buyer's remorse rationalization..
There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Hahahahaha...
Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE, is buyer's remorse rationalization..
There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..
So one guy bought topre and his buyer's remorse rationalisation excited the next guy and so on until we reached the current state where topre is popular and loved based on only buyers remorse rationalisation? What about all the other expensive crap on this hobby ? The list is endless, so why does buyer's remorse rationalisation only apply to topre?
And what's so special about all the other switches? Nothing.
What's funny is my topre boards are among some of my most affordable keyboards, as usually they come with awesome keycaps. For example my filco with gmk penumbra costs more than my 660c...
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Hahahahaha...
Pretty much everything that's positive that's ever been said about TOPRE, is buyer's remorse rationalization..
There really is nothing so extraordinary about rubber dome with smoother sliders..
So one guy bought topre and his buyer's remorse rationalisation excited the next guy and so on until we reached the current state where topre is popular and loved based on only buyers remorse rationalisation? What about all the other expensive crap on this hobby ? The list is endless, so why does buyer's remorse rationalisation only apply to topre?
And what's so special about all the other switches? Nothing.
What's funny is my topre boards are among some of my most affordable keyboards, as usually they come with awesome keycaps. For example my filco with gmk penumbra costs more than my 660c...
The reason why your Topres appears to be more affordable is because they are less modable than for example how MX´s are.
Some of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of buyer's remorse rationalization. Awesome.
Which is basically what I said. Topre boards don't need the keys replaced because most of them come with extremely high quality keycaps. My HHKB and 660c keycaps are some of the nicest I have. The filcos I buy must have their caps replaced because they are garbage. Not only are MX boards more moddable, but they usually require modding to be any good. Hence why I think topre boards aren't as expensive as people make out.
No regrets but kinda upset that the media keys (Volume Up/Down/Mute) does not work in Windows; Mac only.
No regrets but kinda upset that the media keys (Volume Up/Down/Mute) does not work in Windows; Mac only.
I have a hasu controller and my media keys work on Windows, not sure if this is well known
I have a hasu but I've been too lazy to set it up. Is it possible to make the same media keys work for both Mac and Windows? I don't want to use diff media keys depending on which OS I'm using.
pretty sure they use different codes for the media keys. the media keys of the stock hhkb apparently do not work on windows, so i've read.
i don't think it would be too hard to set up a toggle, to quickly switch between windows and mac compatibility.
hm, actually. maybe you can simply create fn keys that just send both codes? i assume that windows would simply ignore the mac commands, and vice versa.
edit: in keycode.h i don't actually see two sets of media keys..
edit: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/332 looks like it should just work. i really wonder why the media keys of the stock hhkb don't work on windows, did they actually do that on purpose? it's weird.
Well if you don’t use Emacs, don’t need caps lock, don’t need arrow keys, and don’t need numpad, …… it’s a pretty good board.
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing and it is just fine :thumb: Nice try though. Its a really versatile 60%.
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing and it is just fine :thumb: Nice try though. Its a really versatile 60%.
Writing Javascript is probably fine, I don’t think the js community has the convention of using uppercase for constants, so it’s safe to map ctrl on caps lock. But still, caps lock is super useful when you want to shout at people. :))
Caps Lock is mapped to Fn+Tab by default. It's not like the key doesn't exist. Uppercase is used in patterns like flux and redux for actions. Once you learn to type while holding shift, the caps lock becomes pretty useless.
Well, double keyboards for typing lower-case and upper-case letters without Shift have been gone for a century or so already. Are you going to complain about that too, or is just the familiarity with IBM Model M layout to blame?
My dad's a Topre man. He mainly uses a Realforce 104UB w/ all black blanks like a badass, but has a HHKB in all-white w/ blanks he uses for travel. I told him using blanks makes him cooler, which I think no one can deny.
As an MX man it's my fault for recommending Topre after evaluating his needs, but he seems to love them. Hell, he's written three books with them over the years (damn has it really been that long already?)
I had a negative experience because my one and only Topre board was a high profile model and I hated it. MAYBE someday I'll give the HHKB a real shot.
I'm not gonna lie, lubed Pandas can only keep me hard for so many years, but my go-to daily driver is just so much better than anything else I have.
I had a negative experience because my one and only Topre board was a high profile model and I hated it. MAYBE someday I'll give the HHKB a real shot.
I'm not gonna lie, lubed Pandas can only keep me hard for so many years, but my go-to daily driver is just so much better than anything else I have.
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
Why do people think sex is greater than masturbation?
I don't get it, what separates a HHKB from any other 60% keyboard?
Buy one and never look back. Ordered a second the other day and getting rid of all my other boards.
Yes, I get that people think it's great. But why?
Why do people think sex is greater than masturbation?
Because of the layout?
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!
i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs. i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!
i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs. i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.
Also want a HHKB BT now but don't want to lose the Type-s feels. Have considered a hasu controller a few times but haven't heard the best things. What's your battery life like? and do you have connection troubles?
No regrets. I want a HHKB Bluetooth now. My HHKB feels so ancient in comparison to being cable free!
i have hasu's BT controllers in both of my hhkbs. i think the battery life and maybe connectivity is better with the official ones, but it's important for me to be able to use custom layouts since i like to use spacefn.
Also want a HHKB BT now but don't want to lose the Type-s feels. Have considered a hasu controller a few times but haven't heard the best things. What's your battery life like? and do you have connection troubles?
battery life has been fine for me. i haven't kept track of exactly how long, but i can do maybe a couple of hours per night for a week without having to charge.
connection wise, they've been fine with my macbooks, but i haven't been able to pair them with my windows desktop machine. i don't know whether the problem is with my old PC's bluetooth support (i've had issues connecting a PS4 controller before), or if it's user error because i don't really understand how to get the hasu controller to pair with more than one device at a time.
I write Javascript in Atom all day on this thing
Regret it? At first, when it was stock. I just can't stand the spacebar sound. And the spacebar stabilizer rattle? Ugghh!!
And then I lubed it. I lubed it pretty good. Now I don't use my other boards as often as I use my HHKB. It's that good.