Am currently budgeting $2k USD for various refunds. Money is not going to go out until I get a better picture of what has been sent and who got what. Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
GhostofHarry,
I have treated you like a friend and supported your endeavor all the way, even though I did not need the keycaps. I have given you emotional and financial and spiritual support.
Like Dorkvader, you have given me nothing in return. I have volunteered to be the last person to receive your keycaps, and I have NOT received them while it seems others have.
Now after 14 months you have ignored all my PMs and I still have no keycaps nor refund (assuming you sold my keycaps which I said you could do). I have confirmed my address and paypal with you already.
If this is how you treat people who have been good to you, you can never hope to gain allies in work or life.
A good many mistakes were made in the shipping out rush. Wife had to send over 80 packages within a few days and she’s not familiar with the descriptions. (And quite fed up too, so she just stuffed packages with whatever seemed right or approximately the same value.)
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Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used. If I choose to escalate your complaint to a Return, you are going to have to pay a lot of money to ship stuff back to Singapore before you get refunded. We have shipping invoices that say 5kg and 10kg of ‘keyboards’ and ‘keyboard parts’, so sending me a postcard with a tracking number is going to get you hit with a buyer fraud charge.
I've tried many times.
[He] will do whatever he feels like, when he feels like it, and if he feels like it.
How else can one solve this issue without incurring additional obscene cost? Shipping costs had sucked up most of the payment made to him. To refund would mean digging much deeper into his pockets. Don't forget he already made losses selling those keyboards. It's so much easier to just close up shop and disappear. I thought the fact that he's willing to fork out $2K to refund is the best he could have done under the circumstances. I hope people would try and work it out together and not take advantage of the situation.
wasn't shipping supposed to be paid for by buyers?Yeah, which also means what money he received from this sale is probably paltry. No way he could even turn any profit. And now, to incur additional costs. This is a very stressful situation to be in.
wasn't shipping supposed to be paid for by buyers?Yeah, which also means what money he received from this sale is probably paltry. No way he could even turn any profit. And now, to incur additional costs. This is a very stressful situation to be in.
money received from buyer: 25+40= $65
money spend: 60+15=$75that's already $10 loss.
How else can one solve this issue without incurring additional obscene cost? Shipping costs had sucked up most of the payment made to him. To refund would mean digging much deeper into his pockets. Don't forget he already made losses selling those keyboards. It's so much easier to just close up shop and disappear. I thought the fact that he's willing to fork out $2K to refund is the best he could have done under the circumstances. I hope people would try and work it out together and not take advantage of the situation.
Am currently budgeting $2k USD for various refunds. Money is not going to go out until I get a better picture of what has been sent and who got what. Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
4.3 Risk of Reversals, Chargebacks and Claims. When you receive a payment, you are liable to PayPal for the full amount of the payment sent to you plus any Fees if the payment is later invalidated for any reason. This means that, in addition to any other liability, you will be responsible for the amount of the payment sent by the sender, plus the applicable Fees listed in Section 8 (Fees) of this Agreement if you lose a Claim or a Chargeback or if there is a Reversal of the payment. You agree to allow PayPal to recover any amounts due to PayPal by debiting your Balance. If there are insufficient funds in your Balance to cover your liability, you agree to reimburse PayPal through other means. If a sender of a payment files a Chargeback, the credit card issuer, not PayPal, will determine who wins the Chargeback.
4.4 Refund and Reversal Currencies. All refunds and reversals will be made in the same currency as the original transaction. If your transaction must be refunded or reversed and you do not have the correct currency available in your Balance, a currency conversion will be performed.
4.5 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
At least 1 box went out totally wrong because I earmarked a box for that person’s stuff in March. He changed his orders several times so I procrastinated with packing, took out his granite keycaps, white and green switches, and eventually forgot that box hadn’t been packed. This guy had a big order, and he got 0% of his order. Instead he got only the keyboard kit which had occupied the box all along. He got very low value. Now I have no idea how to send him what he ordered.
Joe Blow
123 Candy Land
The Moon
Paid for:
J.06
A.12
D.14
If you paid before 22 April, most packages should go out 27 or 29 April. If you paid after 22 April, I will still try to get your stuff out in the same batch, but shipping may take place May 3.
You will be given the tracking number. Please follow the instructions on my shipping post https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78531.msg2071707#msg2071707, and use the tracking number on either the Singpost.com or Speedpost.com.sg website. Once tracking says ‘accepted at the post office’, it’s out of my hands.
Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used.
I find it hard to understand how the shipping got messed up. Berserk had a .Doc with all the items he was selling WITH a simple item number (ex J.06). Why was that .Doc not just referenced with a list of item numbers sold to a certain person and his address? I mean even the shipping weights were on that document.
Example:QuoteJoe Blow
123 Candy Land
The Moon
Paid for:
J.06
A.12
D.14
As far as double selling, your Paypal excuse makes no sense because I paid before anyone else (for my item on 4/20) with MONEYGRAM! I have not received any tracking or even confirmation that the item was shipped other than in the sale thread when you said:If you paid before 22 April, most packages should go out 27 or 29 April. If you paid after 22 April, I will still try to get your stuff out in the same batch, but shipping may take place May 3.
You will be given the tracking number. Please follow the instructions on my shipping post https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78531.msg2071707#msg2071707, and use the tracking number on either the Singpost.com or Speedpost.com.sg website. Once tracking says ‘accepted at the post office’, it’s out of my hands.
Regardless of my item being double sold and possibly not even shipped to me, you still picked up my Moneygram on May 9th!
You claim this,Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used.
Yet I have no package, tracking, or even confirmation that anything was shipped to me. I understand that some people are getting something, but if/when nothing shows up to my door, what happens to my money?
In the same situation.
In the same situation.
Good luck, duder.
wasn't shipping supposed to be paid for by buyers?Yeah, which also means what money he received from this sale is probably paltry. No way he could even turn any profit. And now, to incur additional costs. This is a very stressful situation to be in.
it's logical. remember that basically it's his wife's messy job that has gotten us in this.
let me give you an example.
gutz's position are from Singapore
there's A, from Australia, buying a 5kg box
there's B, from US, buying a 2kg box
assume that the shipping price from singapore to:
- Aus (5kg) is $25
- Aus (2kg) is $15
- US (5kg) is $60
- US(2kg) is $40
IF his wife are THAT messed up, to send a 5kg box to US and 2kg box to AUS,
so the calculation will beQuotemoney received from buyer: 25+40= $65Quotemoney spend: 60+15=$75that's already $10 loss.
this is really messed up, i hope we can solve this puzzle altogether..
and remind me not to get a wife.
by the way, my approach for this problem is;
can you identify what packet (we can raw-calculate the thing by size)was sent to who? at least you still have the shipping receipt, right?
He does hoff that's why he's willing to use 2k of his own money to try set things right, or did I misunderstand you?How else can one solve this issue without incurring additional obscene cost? Shipping costs had sucked up most of the payment made to him. To refund would mean digging much deeper into his pockets. Don't forget he already made losses selling those keyboards. It's so much easier to just close up shop and disappear. I thought the fact that he's willing to fork out $2K to refund is the best he could have done under the circumstances. I hope people would try and work it out together and not take advantage of the situation.
One would hope he has a conscience.
And I can't say this enough... I wouldn't try to manually correct things just because you can locate who has your package.add people's honesty into it. and boom.
- Some packages don't seem to be a complete order, at least from evidence so far
- It reduces your chances of having a successful dispute
- There are people not on this forum, or this was there first exposure to the forum.[/i]
I've PM'd who I think my package belongs to. But he has not responded, and indeed has not been active on the forum. The assumptions in the users correcting this is that everyone can just get their packages. This is not the case because of this reason, and the double selling.
- Some people will go down in relative package value. Some people have the potential to go way up.[/i]
He does hoff that's why he's willing to use 2k of his own money to try set things right, or did I misunderstand you?How else can one solve this issue without incurring additional obscene cost? Shipping costs had sucked up most of the payment made to him. To refund would mean digging much deeper into his pockets. Don't forget he already made losses selling those keyboards. It's so much easier to just close up shop and disappear. I thought the fact that he's willing to fork out $2K to refund is the best he could have done under the circumstances. I hope people would try and work it out together and not take advantage of the situation.
One would hope he has a conscience.
He does hoff that's why he's willing to use 2k of his own money to try set things right, or did I misunderstand you?How else can one solve this issue without incurring additional obscene cost? Shipping costs had sucked up most of the payment made to him. To refund would mean digging much deeper into his pockets. Don't forget he already made losses selling those keyboards. It's so much easier to just close up shop and disappear. I thought the fact that he's willing to fork out $2K to refund is the best he could have done under the circumstances. I hope people would try and work it out together and not take advantage of the situation.
One would hope he has a conscience.
On a different matter as with what gutz says I wouldn't trust anyone now saying they got the wrong order or less as I feel like a load of people will just straight defraud him for more money now, unfortunate situation for both party's to be in
I have (been) compiling(ed) a semi-thorough list of pm's of you confirming orders, payment details and comparing it to what was received by users. I have done it from a very bottoms up approach, with limited resources of knowing who even bought stuff from you.
You who stood at the top, the control center, the financial hub of your sales and logistics operation, should have been able to manage everything better. What you have essentially done is walk into the room, and announce "hey guys, I'm an important guy who works way too hard so you guys should all feel sorry for me, and not be angry that I screwed you all over."
There is a very big difference between a mistake, and negligence. This is the latter. Get off your high horse and admit that you've basically done whatever the hell you wanted with stuff because you had no respect for anybody else's transactions. You set a mutual agreement between buyer (you) and seller (us) and simply not carry through. It is a lack of responsibility in carrying out the sale, and a lack of accountability in following through.
The problem here isn't the sale. The problem here is your attitude and approach to taking responsibility.
You're a saint, Beserkerfan. I'm such a terrible person. I apologize greatly for the issues I have caused. Really, everyone should understand your side of the story. Please, you don't make mistakes.
One would hope he has a conscience.He does hoff that's why he's willing to use 2k of his own money to try set things right, or did I misunderstand you?
On a different matter as with what gutz says I wouldn't trust anyone now saying they got the wrong order or less as I feel like a load of people will just straight defraud him for more money now, unfortunate situation for both party's to be in
You're a saint, Beserkerfan. I'm such a terrible person. I apologize greatly for the issues I have caused. Really, everyone should understand your side of the story. Please, you don't make mistakes.
Can we try to keep conversation above this level?
wew lordy I am continuously impressed by the number of memes generated by a simple close-out sale. keep 'em coming folks
You're a saint, Beserkerfan. I'm such a terrible person. I apologize greatly for the issues I have caused. Really, everyone should understand your side of the story. Please, you don't make mistakes.
Can we try to keep conversation above this level?
Ya know, it's hard not to feel personally annoyed with someone who scapegoats you for no good reason and then tries to whitewash all the mix-ups they've had with orders they've sent out, right? Sounds a little bit like some double standards there, right?
Anyway, I'll step away from this thread. These orders and whatever has to be sorted in that vein does not concern me. Good luck to all who had their orders screwed up by Beserkerfan. I wish the best for you--the recipients.
Hopefully things get sorted.
I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
This is possibly the most poorly handled event I've ever seen on Geekhack, with the exception of intentional scams and GH60/Phantom.
Let’s be realistic about this.
After getting a bunch of unconstructive demands from irate buyers... I’ll tell you all the unvarnished truth.
This is possibly the most poorly handled event I've ever seen on Geekhack, with the exception of intentional scams and GH60/Phantom.
I thought it was just some random girl :))This is possibly the most poorly handled event I've ever seen on Geekhack, with the exception of intentional scams and GH60/Phantom.
off topic from this thread.. but seeing your profile picture of a japanese porn actress makes me oddly uncomfortable lol
off topic from this thread.. but seeing your profile picture of a japanese porn actress makes me oddly uncomfortable lol0/10 lewd, 10/10 qt my man
alh84001 wrote:I've posted this on 29 march on DT where the same user has shown his attitude towards a potential buyers. A big red flag for me and I'm really hoping you guys solve/refund your money and stuff with this guy.
Which one in the pics is Cooler Master Quickfire Rapid TKL?
berserkfan wrote:
My God, please, browse my albums. Surely you cannot fail to recognize a CM QFR? I believe I even pictured it with a box and it had its stock keycaps
My answer
Sectors C, J, B, M and P are a complete anarchy...It's the attitude you've got that discourages many of us from buying anything from you in the first place.
GLWS, I had my money ready but you won't see a single penny from me.
Crossfire▼
Post29 Mar 2016, 09:22
This is possibly the most poorly handled event I've ever seen on Geekhack, with the exception of intentional scams and GH60/Phantom.
off topic from this thread.. but seeing your profile picture of a japanese porn actress makes me oddly uncomfortable lol
I had a terrible selling experience in April. I wish to just walk away from it all.
Wife is angry at me. I deserve the punishment.
I believe it's actually his responsibility to make shipping arrangements to get his stuff back if he sent you the wrong items, so technically you can get your money back and let him figure out how to get his stuff back.
I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
I'm 100% sure that this will work out perfectly for you, run away and the problems will basically just fade.
does anyone know if paypal buyer protection refunds you money even if seller is completely broke?PayPal will refund the buyer, if they determine the seller is at fault. They will then seek funds from the seller to cover the costs that PayPal refunded. The seller isn't directly refunding the money but in the end they are losing the money.
Often times the seller has no chance to prove that he didn't make any mistakes at all,Fortunately I think there is more than enough evidence for PP to side with the the buyers if they choose to submit disputes. Hopefully it doesn't come that and things can be properly sorted though.
so paypal will side with the buyer preemptively. I have a feeling the same will happen here.
Often times the seller has no chance to prove that he didn't make any mistakes at all,Fortunately I think there is more than enough evidence for PP to side with the the buyers if they choose to submit disputes. Hopefully it doesn't come that and things can be properly sorted though.
so paypal will side with the buyer preemptively. I have a feeling the same will happen here.
Hello Everyone who bought stuff from me
Sorry for the delay. I am working very long hours now. Looks like I cannot retire peacefully from geekhack as planned.
A good many mistakes were made in the shipping out rush. Wife had to send over 80 packages within a few days and she’s not familiar with the descriptions. (And quite fed up too, so she just stuffed packages with whatever seemed right or approximately the same value.)
At least 1 box went out totally wrong because I earmarked a box for that person’s stuff in March. He changed his orders several times so I procrastinated with packing, took out his granite keycaps, white and green switches, and eventually forgot that box hadn’t been packed. This guy had a big order, and he got 0% of his order. Instead he got only the keyboard kit which had occupied the box all along. He got very low value. Now I have no idea how to send him what he ordered.
I do not know what was sent/ mis-sent to any particular person, and am currently unable to trace where the items he/she purchased were sent. It was a great rush to deal with so many complex and changing orders and I was not the one doing it but unfortunate family members. At least 5 people were still changing their orders on May 3; 3 people hadn’t paid and E3E outright refused to pay last minute after trolling me for a week. Several people threw me their addresses but never paid shipping nor responded to reminders.
There were a number of double-sold items. These tended to be cheap items that I didn’t take heed of, had dubious buyers inquiring about them and taking too long to pay, or which had complications like paypal refunds screwing up my records. The most expensive items like scarface keycaps, 87 key zinc blanks and Model M SSK were never double sold. For the double sold items, wife was supposed to just stuff buyers with unsold things because so many things were marked pending but actually unsold thanks to the usual sleazy dibs callers never coming through with payment.
A number of missent items had the correct buyer labelled. I believe the most constructive solution is to contact the intended recipient and send him/her the stuff. Several people I talked to on PM refused this solution, insisting that I refund them fully + pay for the shipping before they would even contemplate sending the legit buyer his property.
Let’s be realistic about this.
I am now very busy and work 7 days a week. I did not expect to be so ultra busy or I would not have planned my sale at this time. I sold things in a great rush and was under pressure to clear my house as planned. Until now I still have uncollected payments!
I do not have money to refund everyone fully. Nor do I have the desire to. I sold many things at literally pennies on the dollar. I gave away many things. I had a terrible selling experience in April. I wish to just walk away from it all.
Wife is angry at me. I deserve the punishment. And I have long vowed to family that I will stay away from geekhack until house is fixed. With my current skills, house won’t be fixed anytime soon.
My paypal account is currently depleted because I had to pull money asap to pay for shipping. There is no money left. See this negative amount? You can squeeze blood from a stone?
(Attachment Link)
After getting a bunch of unconstructive demands from irate buyers, I’m going to be my usual GutzGrouch self. I’ll tell you all the unvarnished truth.
Most of the costs involved shipping. That gives me little room to refund people for wrongly shipped things.
I do not live hand to mouth, and I certainly can put some money back into paypal account to refund dissatisfied people. But I can’t give everyone a full refund. Simple as that. And we won’t know what everyone got until all sea mail packages arrive. Obviously the people who got the least relative to what they were supposed to get, should get priority.
My original goal to clean out my house has been attained. All remaining keyboard items total less than 1 cubic meter. When I have time I can still go through my remaining stuff to see if there was unsent stuff that people paid for. Some personal stuff and lots of never-sold stuff got sent anyway so some people will get things they did not pay for. Lots of keycaps were used as filler in big boxes. This is especially in the case of my massdrop granite keycaps, which looked very ugly, old and shabby to my wife so she thought they had no value.
Laugh all you want. I am keeping no granites for myself. I even put out a review criticizing them, and directed most prospective buyers to the same review because I didn’t want dissatisfied buyers.
Am currently budgeting $2k USD for various refunds. Money is not going to go out until I get a better picture of what has been sent and who got what. Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
I have good reason to suspect that some people got more, and are either keeping quiet, or else are claiming they got less since it is easier to join the chorus of Gutz-haters.
Some geekhackers are already showing their less attractive side here. 1 guy filed complaint without trying to contact me.
Turns out he received someone’s very substantial shipment. It was wrong, but it wasn’t low value stuff like a keyboard kit. It was almost certainly more than what he paid.
Then he claimed to paypal that I sent him damaged goods. (And admitted in the same complaint that they weren’t damaged, just someone else’s stuff.)
Then tried to sell the expensive keycaps sent to him by mistake, to someone else. That someone else told me. This guy had hidden the fact that wife sent him valuable keycaps.
Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used. If I choose to escalate your complaint to a Return, you are going to have to pay a lot of money to ship stuff back to Singapore before you get refunded. We have shipping invoices that say 5kg and 10kg of ‘keyboards’ and ‘keyboard parts’, so sending me a postcard with a tracking number is going to get you hit with a buyer fraud charge.
What this means is that as soon as one of you file a claim, nobody else is going to be making any transactions with berserkfan for a while.
No need to quote it, it has already been archived on archive.org.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160514171401/https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82065
Oh, and no beserkfan didn't send what he said to me. He sent nothing at all. My last PM from him was May 13th
Here is a message I wrote to ****wyrm. I haven’t sent it because it is too long to fit into a paypal dispute reply form.
I'd like to ask for this thread to be locked for roughly two more days because le ledditors and MD apologists(thinking about three people in particular, you know who you are) are talking a lot about this right now and will pour oil into fire to make community-ran GB's look worse. Just look at some of the comments to this thread outside of GH to see that already being done. The topic needs calm and civil discussion, not drama escalators, and most people that aren't actually affected will forget by then.1. This isn't a groupbuy (I know a lot of people are misunderstanding that though)
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
I'd like to ask for this thread to be locked for roughly two more days because le ledditors and MD apologists(thinking about three people in particular, you know who you are) are talking a lot about this right now and will pour oil into fire to make community-ran GB's look worse. Just look at some of the comments to this thread outside of GH to see that already being done. The topic needs calm and civil discussion, not drama escalators, and most people that aren't actually affected will forget by then.1. This isn't a groupbuy (I know a lot of people are misunderstanding that though)
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it.
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
can i get a tl;dr. this dude always writes so damn much.
This is my last geekhack post. My selling experience in March/April was super unpleasant. I am tired of the many unreasonable, sleazy and selfish people on geekhack. Offering people a reasonable compromise doesn’t work. Everyone is all about ME FIRST and F YOU.
I ask the simple question: How are we going to correct the situation?
can i get a tl;dr. this dude always writes so damn much.
he got himself in too deep and isn't going to deliver to a bunch of people who bought **** from him. basically using his "cheap prices" as an excuse for why he shouldn't be held accountable because he was "so generous".
can i get a tl;dr. this dude always writes so damn much.
he got himself in too deep and isn't going to deliver to a bunch of people who bought **** from him. basically using his "cheap prices" as an excuse for why he shouldn't be held accountable because he was "so generous".
I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?
I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
lol aint this the same dude constantly making posts about ****ty sellers?
QFT.
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
well... if you have to ask..
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
well... if you have to ask..
Did you feel the air as the point went right over your head?
Did you feel the air as the point went right over your head?
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
well... if you have to ask..
Did you feel the air as the point went right over your head?
ah, so you're one of those that can't tell when people are joking.
can i get a tl;dr. this dude always writes so damn much.
he got himself in too deep and isn't going to deliver to a bunch of people who bought **** from him. basically using his "cheap prices" as an excuse for why he shouldn't be held accountable because he was "so generous".
In fairness, he delivered. Just uniformly the wrong thing. And even though many of us actually paid him money, he expects us just to be satisfied with whatever we received.
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
well... if you have to ask..
Did you feel the air as the point went right over your head?
ah, so you're one of those that can't tell when people are joking.
It's a little difficult to tell when there are people here who actually believe basically what you posted.
but gh is cooler.2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
I participate in both communities. Am I "toxic slime"?I mostly a DT user...
Am I "toxic slime"?
well... if you have to ask..
Did you feel the air as the point went right over your head?
ah, so you're one of those that can't tell when people are joking.
It's a little difficult to tell when there are people here who actually believe basically what you posted.
speak for yourselfyou're even more lame af. Every nerd on this website tries to gag on you.
speak for yourselfyou're even more lame af. Every nerd on this website tries to gag on you.
this is truespeak for yourselfyou're even more lame af. Every nerd on this website tries to gag on you.
I am going to quote this post in case he tries to edit it.
Any further off-topic posts or attacks will be grounds for warnings.
Here is a message I wrote to ****wyrm. I haven’t sent it because it is too long to fit into a paypal dispute reply form.
I find that I have been painted into a corner.
I sold everything cheap to clear my house as quickly as possible.
I have not much left because even things that were not paid for, were often just shipped anyway for free.
To refund everyone is impossible. I cannot afford it, and the shipping alone for everyone was $2.8k USD.
So I have to pay $2.8k shipping to lose all my property before everyone is satisfied?
All complainants to date have admitted to paypal that we DID NOT send you garbage or useless things. They were wrong, not rubbish or empty boxes. ****sis's scarface keycaps alone are worth $48-$300 depending on what was put into the box that was sent to you, which I haven't seen.
You paid $162 for keyboards. The keyboard which you have admitted to receiving, cost me over $250 to buy and customize. And you got scarface keycaps also.
Normally the correct way to file complaint is ‘significantly not as described’ but you insisted on telling paypal ‘item is damaged’ instead. Why? Let me guess: you don’t think you can win a complaint if you admitted to getting more than what you paid.
You wanted a full refund without so much as return shipment to my CONUS-located proxy shipper , and you even encouraged ****sis to file a clearly fake complaint.
****sis claims he had no intention to do anything dishonest with his fake complaint that has been dismissed already by paypal. Unfortunately he went on to say that one of the keycaps he paid for, which was supposed to be Row 2, wasn’t Row 2. He kept pressing me for a Row 2 scarface keycap. (I don’t have any scarface anymore, btw.)
Now how would ****sis know with such certainty that he didn’t get a correct Row 2 keycap? I can’t tell by looking at a photo. I could only tell by laying them out in a row and looking at the entire row with one eye closed. That’s how I sorted out my scarface originally.
Obviously ****sis now has scarface in his possession, and he obviously is able to compare. So this guy got his order ok, except for one keycap wrong. And you encouraged him to tell paypal that his credit card got stolen. Do you really work for Wells Fargo as you claim?
Everything is a screwup caused by me asking someone else to help with the packing at a time when I could not do it myself. If you wanted to wait for me to pack personally it would take MONTHS and I didn't want to make people wait. Hell, if I had done the regular geekhack thing like how Dorkvader or Nubbinator does it, I could make people wait 2 years for their stuff. But I couldn't have done this because I long ago promised wife to clear my house by May. I can’t have so many boxes in my house for months, so everything had to go out fast.
Now paypal account is negative $1285.56. I repeat, NEGATIVE. I will not be adding money to this account, end of story.
I reiterate my offer. Send domestically in the same packaging to my US proxy shipper, and they will bulk ship back to me at a far better rate than USPS. That will save you a lot in shipping costs, and I can even warehouse the stuff at their place for months FOC. That warehousing function is very valuable to me because I really cannot host stuff in my house anymore.
Thanks to lack of time off from work during office hours, I haven’t even collected the payments for about half the people who paid by moneygram. The moneygram office will probably think I’m mad, but I’ll just pickup the cash and redirect some to you. I have your name and country, which is all I need for making a moneygram payment.
Alternatively you can continue pursuing your currently destructive route:
1) You file paypal complaint
2) Paypal reviews my entire account which is their custom. Most complainants including you have multipart orders, and all orders are for keyboards, keycaps, and keyboard parts.
3) Paypal rep goes crazy trying to figure out who owes what who is missing what who has gotten what for who. Yeah, same experience as what we had trying to ship out stuff.
4) Paypal complaints are the tip of the iceberg. Some orders made by bank transfer had 20+ components. Another dozen had at least 10 components. More than half of all orders were made off paypal. If Paypal rep already goes crazy with just reconciling 10 complaints, I could make them extra crazy by sending them my 465MB of photos, records, shipping label printouts, etc. Maybe I’ll print out a few dozen PMs as well, showing how some people changed their orders repeatedly, backed out, came back, changed modes of payment, etc.
5) Even a buyer-biased company like paypal cannot but help figure that these customers are impossible to satisfy. After reading 3 or 4 complaints Paypal rep decides he has had enough.
6) Paypal rep decides this is no scam, so he hits paypal’s default button. Everyone must return ship to me, tracked, in order to qualify for refund.
7) So, just incur the shipping cost, ship everything internationally back to my home. You asked for it. This is also really destructive to me as well, because I will get into severe trouble when packages start showing up in the mail filled with keyboards and parts that were supposed to be forever banished from my house.
8) By this point I am never going to put money back into my paypal account. It’s a black hole. I would rather conserve my $2k USD for refunding the people who paid via bank transfer/ moneygram and therefore have no easy recourse if they got substantially lower value than what they paid.
9) So I get a black mark on my credit statement put there by paypal. That’s unpleasant but tolerable. I’m not going to take out another housing loan in the next 50 years, and I’m never going to buy a car.
10) And you? You might even get into trouble for buyer fraud. If you choose to send me some feces marked as ‘keyboard’, customs will intercept and I will have official proof to show Paypal that you attempted to keep the keyboard and send me feces.
This is my last geekhack post. My selling experience in March/April was super unpleasant. I am tired of the many unreasonable, sleazy and selfish people on geekhack. Offering people a reasonable compromise doesn’t work. Everyone is all about ME FIRST and F YOU.
The F You attitude I'm seeing so much, is like the ridiculous people who came to me during April, with zero posts and some newly created account, and just said in some curt PM: "You are giving away Model Ms/ Multimeters/ Model F-122s? Here's my address."
As expected, it is the paypal people who are most unreasonable because they know pp is on their side.
Years ago I said I would never do a GB because of the terrible people. I never expected to be doing the equivalent of one myself.
I’m locking this thread so people can see this is intended as a definitive reply.
I know the mods well enough that they can exercise mod powers to reopen this thread if they so wish. But I am 100% sick and tired of geekhack and all the people, so don’t expect me to show up here again. I strongly recommend creating a new Hate On Gutz thread so that all of you can rant.
Last but not least, if you are ever planning a group buy, let me repeat the same advice I've always said: DON'T.
I have removed several off-topic posts from this thread, and issued warnings to everyone involved. Please don't make it necessary for me to do so a second time.
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
Also, someone literally got a pack of cigarettes haha what the ****
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4j7g49/wife_thrown_under_the_keyboard_busanother_gh_deal/d353nv9I remember that he had Cigarettes in his free stuff post and I guess he just threw them in.
****ing top kek mateQuoteAlso, someone literally got a pack of cigarettes haha what the ****
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4j7g49/wife_thrown_under_the_keyboard_busanother_gh_deal/d353nv9
****ing top kek mateQuoteAlso, someone literally got a pack of cigarettes haha what the ****
Here is a message I wrote to ****wyrm. I haven’t sent it because it is too long to fit into a paypal dispute reply form.
I find that I have been painted into a corner.
I sold everything cheap to clear my house as quickly as possible.
I have not much left because even things that were not paid for, were often just shipped anyway for free.
To refund everyone is impossible. I cannot afford it, and the shipping alone for everyone was $2.8k USD.
So I have to pay $2.8k shipping to lose all my property before everyone is satisfied?
All complainants to date have admitted to paypal that we DID NOT send you garbage or useless things. They were wrong, not rubbish or empty boxes. ****sis's scarface keycaps alone are worth $48-$300 depending on what was put into the box that was sent to you, which I haven't seen.
You paid $162 for keyboards. The keyboard which you have admitted to receiving, cost me over $250 to buy and customize. And you got scarface keycaps also.
Normally the correct way to file complaint is ‘significantly not as described’ but you insisted on telling paypal ‘item is damaged’ instead. Why? Let me guess: you don’t think you can win a complaint if you admitted to getting more than what you paid.
You wanted a full refund without so much as return shipment to my CONUS-located proxy shipper , and you even encouraged ****sis to file a clearly fake complaint.
****sis claims he had no intention to do anything dishonest with his fake complaint that has been dismissed already by paypal. Unfortunately he went on to say that one of the keycaps he paid for, which was supposed to be Row 2, wasn’t Row 2. He kept pressing me for a Row 2 scarface keycap. (I don’t have any scarface anymore, btw.)
Now how would ****sis know with such certainty that he didn’t get a correct Row 2 keycap? I can’t tell by looking at a photo. I could only tell by laying them out in a row and looking at the entire row with one eye closed. That’s how I sorted out my scarface originally.
Obviously ****sis now has scarface in his possession, and he obviously is able to compare. So this guy got his order ok, except for one keycap wrong. And you encouraged him to tell paypal that his credit card got stolen. Do you really work for Wells Fargo as you claim?
Everything is a screwup caused by me asking someone else to help with the packing at a time when I could not do it myself. If you wanted to wait for me to pack personally it would take MONTHS and I didn't want to make people wait. Hell, if I had done the regular geekhack thing like how Dorkvader or Nubbinator does it, I could make people wait 2 years for their stuff. But I couldn't have done this because I long ago promised wife to clear my house by May. I can’t have so many boxes in my house for months, so everything had to go out fast.
Now paypal account is negative $1285.56. I repeat, NEGATIVE. I will not be adding money to this account, end of story.
I reiterate my offer. Send domestically in the same packaging to my US proxy shipper, and they will bulk ship back to me at a far better rate than USPS. That will save you a lot in shipping costs, and I can even warehouse the stuff at their place for months FOC. That warehousing function is very valuable to me because I really cannot host stuff in my house anymore.
Thanks to lack of time off from work during office hours, I haven’t even collected the payments for about half the people who paid by moneygram. The moneygram office will probably think I’m mad, but I’ll just pickup the cash and redirect some to you. I have your name and country, which is all I need for making a moneygram payment.
Alternatively you can continue pursuing your currently destructive route:
1) You file paypal complaint
2) Paypal reviews my entire account which is their custom. Most complainants including you have multipart orders, and all orders are for keyboards, keycaps, and keyboard parts.
3) Paypal rep goes crazy trying to figure out who owes what who is missing what who has gotten what for who. Yeah, same experience as what we had trying to ship out stuff.
4) Paypal complaints are the tip of the iceberg. Some orders made by bank transfer had 20+ components. Another dozen had at least 10 components. More than half of all orders were made off paypal. If Paypal rep already goes crazy with just reconciling 10 complaints, I could make them extra crazy by sending them my 465MB of photos, records, shipping label printouts, etc. Maybe I’ll print out a few dozen PMs as well, showing how some people changed their orders repeatedly, backed out, came back, changed modes of payment, etc.
5) Even a buyer-biased company like paypal cannot but help figure that these customers are impossible to satisfy. After reading 3 or 4 complaints Paypal rep decides he has had enough.
6) Paypal rep decides this is no scam, so he hits paypal’s default button. Everyone must return ship to me, tracked, in order to qualify for refund.
7) So, just incur the shipping cost, ship everything internationally back to my home. You asked for it. This is also really destructive to me as well, because I will get into severe trouble when packages start showing up in the mail filled with keyboards and parts that were supposed to be forever banished from my house.
8) By this point I am never going to put money back into my paypal account. It’s a black hole. I would rather conserve my $2k USD for refunding the people who paid via bank transfer/ moneygram and therefore have no easy recourse if they got substantially lower value than what they paid.
9) So I get a black mark on my credit statement put there by paypal. That’s unpleasant but tolerable. I’m not going to take out another housing loan in the next 50 years, and I’m never going to buy a car.
10) And you? You might even get into trouble for buyer fraud. If you choose to send me some feces marked as ‘keyboard’, customs will intercept and I will have official proof to show Paypal that you attempted to keep the keyboard and send me feces.
This is my last geekhack post. My selling experience in March/April was super unpleasant. I am tired of the many unreasonable, sleazy and selfish people on geekhack. Offering people a reasonable compromise doesn’t work. Everyone is all about ME FIRST and F YOU.
The F You attitude I'm seeing so much, is like the ridiculous people who came to me during April, with zero posts and some newly created account, and just said in some curt PM: "You are giving away Model Ms/ Multimeters/ Model F-122s? Here's my address."
As expected, it is the paypal people who are most unreasonable because they know pp is on their side.
Years ago I said I would never do a GB because of the terrible people. I never expected to be doing the equivalent of one myself.
I’m locking this thread so people can see this is intended as a definitive reply.
I know the mods well enough that they can exercise mod powers to reopen this thread if they so wish. But I am 100% sick and tired of geekhack and all the people, so don’t expect me to show up here again. I strongly recommend creating a new Hate On Gutz thread so that all of you can rant.
Last but not least, if you are ever planning a group buy, let me repeat the same advice I've always said: DON'T.
Hi gtx,
Here is a message I wrote to ****wyrm. I haven’t sent it because it is too long to fit into a paypal dispute reply form.
I find that I have been painted into a corner.
I sold everything cheap to clear my house as quickly as possible.
I have not much left because even things that were not paid for, were often just shipped anyway for free.
To refund everyone is impossible. I cannot afford it, and the shipping alone for everyone was $2.8k USD.
So I have to pay $2.8k shipping to lose all my property before everyone is satisfied?
All complainants to date have admitted to paypal that we DID NOT send you garbage or useless things. They were wrong, not rubbish or empty boxes. ****sis's scarface keycaps alone are worth $48-$300 depending on what was put into the box that was sent to you, which I haven't seen.
You paid $162 for keyboards. The keyboard which you have admitted to receiving, cost me over $250 to buy and customize. And you got scarface keycaps also.
Normally the correct way to file complaint is ‘significantly not as described’ but you insisted on telling paypal ‘item is damaged’ instead. Why? Let me guess: you don’t think you can win a complaint if you admitted to getting more than what you paid.
You wanted a full refund without so much as return shipment to my CONUS-located proxy shipper , and you even encouraged ****sis to file a clearly fake complaint.
****sis claims he had no intention to do anything dishonest with his fake complaint that has been dismissed already by paypal. Unfortunately he went on to say that one of the keycaps he paid for, which was supposed to be Row 2, wasn’t Row 2. He kept pressing me for a Row 2 scarface keycap. (I don’t have any scarface anymore, btw.)
Now how would ****sis know with such certainty that he didn’t get a correct Row 2 keycap? I can’t tell by looking at a photo. I could only tell by laying them out in a row and looking at the entire row with one eye closed. That’s how I sorted out my scarface originally.
Obviously ****sis now has scarface in his possession, and he obviously is able to compare. So this guy got his order ok, except for one keycap wrong. And you encouraged him to tell paypal that his credit card got stolen. Do you really work for Wells Fargo as you claim?
Everything is a screwup caused by me asking someone else to help with the packing at a time when I could not do it myself. If you wanted to wait for me to pack personally it would take MONTHS and I didn't want to make people wait. Hell, if I had done the regular geekhack thing like how Dorkvader or Nubbinator does it, I could make people wait 2 years for their stuff. But I couldn't have done this because I long ago promised wife to clear my house by May. I can’t have so many boxes in my house for months, so everything had to go out fast.
Now paypal account is negative $1285.56. I repeat, NEGATIVE. I will not be adding money to this account, end of story.
I reiterate my offer. Send domestically in the same packaging to my US proxy shipper, and they will bulk ship back to me at a far better rate than USPS. That will save you a lot in shipping costs, and I can even warehouse the stuff at their place for months FOC. That warehousing function is very valuable to me because I really cannot host stuff in my house anymore.
Thanks to lack of time off from work during office hours, I haven’t even collected the payments for about half the people who paid by moneygram. The moneygram office will probably think I’m mad, but I’ll just pickup the cash and redirect some to you. I have your name and country, which is all I need for making a moneygram payment.
Alternatively you can continue pursuing your currently destructive route:
1) You file paypal complaint
2) Paypal reviews my entire account which is their custom. Most complainants including you have multipart orders, and all orders are for keyboards, keycaps, and keyboard parts.
3) Paypal rep goes crazy trying to figure out who owes what who is missing what who has gotten what for who. Yeah, same experience as what we had trying to ship out stuff.
4) Paypal complaints are the tip of the iceberg. Some orders made by bank transfer had 20+ components. Another dozen had at least 10 components. More than half of all orders were made off paypal. If Paypal rep already goes crazy with just reconciling 10 complaints, I could make them extra crazy by sending them my 465MB of photos, records, shipping label printouts, etc. Maybe I’ll print out a few dozen PMs as well, showing how some people changed their orders repeatedly, backed out, came back, changed modes of payment, etc.
5) Even a buyer-biased company like paypal cannot but help figure that these customers are impossible to satisfy. After reading 3 or 4 complaints Paypal rep decides he has had enough.
6) Paypal rep decides this is no scam, so he hits paypal’s default button. Everyone must return ship to me, tracked, in order to qualify for refund.
7) So, just incur the shipping cost, ship everything internationally back to my home. You asked for it. This is also really destructive to me as well, because I will get into severe trouble when packages start showing up in the mail filled with keyboards and parts that were supposed to be forever banished from my house.
8) By this point I am never going to put money back into my paypal account. It’s a black hole. I would rather conserve my $2k USD for refunding the people who paid via bank transfer/ moneygram and therefore have no easy recourse if they got substantially lower value than what they paid.
9) So I get a black mark on my credit statement put there by paypal. That’s unpleasant but tolerable. I’m not going to take out another housing loan in the next 50 years, and I’m never going to buy a car.
10) And you? You might even get into trouble for buyer fraud. If you choose to send me some feces marked as ‘keyboard’, customs will intercept and I will have official proof to show Paypal that you attempted to keep the keyboard and send me feces.
This is my last geekhack post. My selling experience in March/April was super unpleasant. I am tired of the many unreasonable, sleazy and selfish people on geekhack. Offering people a reasonable compromise doesn’t work. Everyone is all about ME FIRST and F YOU.
The F You attitude I'm seeing so much, is like the ridiculous people who came to me during April, with zero posts and some newly created account, and just said in some curt PM: "You are giving away Model Ms/ Multimeters/ Model F-122s? Here's my address."
As expected, it is the paypal people who are most unreasonable because they know pp is on their side.
Years ago I said I would never do a GB because of the terrible people. I never expected to be doing the equivalent of one myself.
I’m locking this thread so people can see this is intended as a definitive reply.
I know the mods well enough that they can exercise mod powers to reopen this thread if they so wish. But I am 100% sick and tired of geekhack and all the people, so don’t expect me to show up here again. I strongly recommend creating a new Hate On Gutz thread so that all of you can rant.
Last but not least, if you are ever planning a group buy, let me repeat the same advice I've always said: DON'T.
The whole topic never mentioned about anything about bank transfer...... so the money will never refund at all?
I have paid $470, for a useless thing worth $20, and never get a formal feedback, Even I have send out servel PMs to berserk.
Let me guess why, because there is "NO" avenue to file a dispute at all.
If I don't have feedback from YOU-Berserkfan before 23th May, I will authorize anyone who have paid to berserk $10 each for a dispute even they got the right thing.
I am not sure if paypal accept this, but at least it worth a try.
I can provide every single evidence and proof I have.
And being a honest and responsible man, I will collect all dispute info, and make it no more the $470, which I have paid before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4j7g49/wife_thrown_under_the_keyboard_busanother_gh_deal/d353nv9
****ing top kek mateQuoteAlso, someone literally got a pack of cigarettes haha what the ****
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4j7g49/wife_thrown_under_the_keyboard_busanother_gh_deal/d353nv9
****ing top kek mateQuoteAlso, someone literally got a pack of cigarettes haha what the ****
Mod's where is my warning? Too much inequality on this forum. Its cause I'm Mexican, huh?
Anyways, in an attempt to stay on topic, what are the chances of user getting their money back? Many paypal claims on one account is just going to freeze it up and refunds are going to be withheld. Is there a safety net in place on paypals part for a large amount of refunds?
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
QFT.
Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it. Because that's the kind of people they are. They're the kind of people that GH has already banned for being bad excuses for human beings. Hell, being banned from GH is basically a requirement to be a mod.
And people want us to invite the toxic slime the mods already got rid of once, back into the community? No freaking way. It's not bloody happening. Want to watch people quit en masse? Just let them back in. The mods can deal with the ones that sneak past - and I'm sure they will.
What the retardit hivemind says has exactly as much value as their worth as people - none.
The mods removed posts they deemed "off-topic." Since this is up I'm going to assume it's somehow on topic. Which means I should be able to respond to tell this guy what a monumental ******* he's being without addressing the situation at hand, right? Cool.
The irony here is incredible. This is easily the most spiteful, inflammatory and absolutely ridiculous post I've read on either site and yet you're saying it while talking about how much better you are as a person. Bravo, sir. That is some next level hypocrisy.
Also, you know the guy who made that spreadsheet, asked for PM's of proof and has taken it upon himself to try to give everyone the clearest picture possible of where their stuff ended up so that this cluster**** might end a little better?
http://www.reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/comments/4j7g49/wife_thrown_under_the_keyboard_busanother_gh_deal_gone_south/d34hp7k
"I am first and foremost a redditor," he says. One of those dirty "jagoffs" who would never "make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for."
Is that against the rules? But really why did I get a warning for being off topic on an off topic thread? that seems contradicting.
Mod's where is my warning? Too much inequality on this forum. Its cause I'm Mexican, huh?
Is that against the rules? But really why did I get a warning for being off topic on an off topic thread? that seems contradicting.
The off topic section is merely a section for topics that are not better suited for other areas of the site. While the moderation team tends to allow more leeway in the off topic section, each individual thread still has a topic of conversation. In this case, there had been multiple posts requesting that this thread stay on topic, seeing as this is a particularly serious thread, despite it being in the off topic section.
Also, you quite literally asked for a warning:Mod's where is my warning? Too much inequality on this forum. Its cause I'm Mexican, huh?
Now, let's keep this thread for discussion of berserkfan's sale and the results thereof.
You threatened to send out warnings and so I was wondering as to why you didn't stick to your word. I was calling you out for not actually sending one, but apparently you did. or is this a race thing?
Guys don't file for a claim yet, berserk needs time to sort through the massive amount of PM's he got. I can give more reasoning soon into this.
Seriously by filing claim you hurt the situation. You have 180 days to do so, give him a couple days. Please at least try to let berserk fix the issue.
Hello everyone,
Been a lurker and still quite new to the keyboard scene but decided to jump on the sale when I saw that berserkfan is a Singaporean for cheap shipping. I ordered the following from him:
C08. KBT Pure, unlubed 78g clears, blue theme aluminum casing and cable, SIP modded RGB LEDs w extra translucent keycaps, $100
Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80
Tai Hao sets red and black $8 x2 = $16
Teensy 2.0 no pins $14
and received the following:
SA row 3 1u legends and blanks
SA row 2/4 legends and blanks
R4 and R5 black blanks
hyperfuse DCS purple on gray 1x teal on dark gray mods
small bag of SA blank keycaps
small bags of 3-5 keycaps of variety
2 Teensy 2.0
14 bags of white on black keycaps (some are labeled traditional cherry WOB)
I see that there is an excel spreadsheet that is being collated but proof of purchase etc is needed hence I'm posting to ask who should I be PMing for I havent really been following the thread. Unfortunately I paid via local money transfer so I don't think there's any avenue to file a dispute for me so hopefully I can still get a refund.
Hello, I quote my post from the other thread that has since been locked.
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Anyone can give me a quick estimate of how much these are worth? Thank you
It could be for his claim, as I know gutz is using the value in his defense.Hello, I quote my post from the other thread that has since been locked.
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Anyone can give me a quick estimate of how much these are worth? Thank you
Please don't come in here looking for valuation. Right now, we're trying to figure how who has what and how to get the right things to the right people. Deciding to resell what you got would be a poor idea this early, I think.
Guys don't file for a claim yet, berserk needs time to sort through the massive amount of PM's he got. I can give more reasoning soon into this.How so? Filing a claim further puts pressure on him, locks down his account so he can't parcel out money as he wants, makes him unable to receive or make payments from anyone, reinforces our aims as Paypal sees how massive the effort is. What is your counter to the points made above?
Seriously by filing claim you hurt the situation. You have 180 days to do so, give him a couple days. Please at least try to let berserk fix the issue.
It could be for his claim, as I know gutz is using the value in his defenseHello, I quote my post from the other thread that has since been locked.
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Anyone can give me a quick estimate of how much these are worth? Thank you
Please don't come in here looking for valuation. Right now, we're trying to figure how who has what and how to get the right things to the right people. Deciding to resell what you got would be a poor idea this early, I think.
Guys don't file for a claim yet, berserk needs time to sort through the massive amount of PM's he got. I can give more reasoning soon into this.How so? Filing a claim further puts pressure on him, locks down his account so he can't parcel out money as he wants, makes him unable to receive or make payments from anyone, reinforces our aims as Paypal sees how massive the effort is. What is your counter to the points made above?
Seriously by filing claim you hurt the situation. You have 180 days to do so, give him a couple days. Please at least try to let berserk fix the issue.
A little late on this, but I'm pretty sure reddit is just mostly noobies afraid to post over here, not some forum equivalent of Australia where rulebreakers get sentenced to.
(Ripster aside, obviously)
(even drawing in completely irrelevant vendettas, like v reddit)
You can say about Reddit what you want, threads like these are why I'm mostly there and not here.(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png)
You can say about Reddit what you want, threads like these are why I'm mostly there and not here. I feel for Berzerkfan, I really do. You could tell he was on the edge before and this whole thing has turned into a huge ****-show. But I don't see how screaming and being abusive (even drawing in completely irrelevant vendettas, like v reddit) is going to solve any of this.
Instead lets be positive: a lot of stuff obviously went out and so might be recoverable among ourselves and if cooler heads prevail maybe at least we can keep a dialog going to resolve things if not to everyone's satisfaction then at least to where people are in a better situation than they find themselves in now. Because I hate to break it to folks, but if Paypal's your last hope you're already ****ed.
How so? They've been responsive to my queries, and are deciding... it's just taking a while. And if settled to my satisfaction (which I think it will be- the items are clearly not what I ordered), then that's a better outcome for me, as my item was pretty surely oversold.
Srsly tho, if you mess up a sale, it's your responsibility. Of course Bezerkfan is in a tough spot, but you have to be organized to make such a big sale, and he clearly wasn't. He brought all this upon himself and I can see how people are mad over not getting promised items.
How so? They've been responsive to my queries, and are deciding... it's just taking a while. And if settled to my satisfaction (which I think it will be- the items are clearly not what I ordered), then that's a better outcome for me, as my item was pretty surely oversold.
Paypal are not exactly known for their support of the little guy i disputed transactions. Since we're talking about a sale between two persons, as opposed to businesses, there's a limit to what can be done. There's no right of return, what's actually in the boxes being shipped to and fro is being taken on faith (from Paypal's perspective), etc. What's more they already have their money and can only lose by arbitrating between individuals. I hope it works for you, but I wouldn't expect too much.
13.1 Types of Problems Covered. PayPal Purchase Protection (also known as PayPal Buyer Protection) helps you if you encounter either of these problems:
You did not receive the item you paid for with PayPal – “Item Not Received” (INR), or
You received an item you paid for with PayPal but it is “Significantly Not as Described” (SNAD) (as described below)
If your problem is a transaction that you did not authorize, please use this form to report the unauthorized transaction.
An item is “Significantly Not as Described” if it is materially different from what the Seller described in the item listing. Here are some examples:
- You received a completely different item. For example, you purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
- The condition of the item was misrepresented. For example, the description when you bought the item said “new” and the item was used.
- The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
- The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in its description when you bought the item.
- You purchased three items from a Seller but only received two.
- The item was damaged during shipment.
An item is not Significantly Not as Described if it is materially similar to the Seller’s item listing description. Here are some examples:
- The defect in the item was correctly described by the Seller.
- The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
- The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
- The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.
13.2 Eligibility Requirements.
To be eligible for PayPal Purchase Protection you must meet all of the following requirements:
- Have an Account in good standing.
- Pay for the eligible item from your Account.
- Pay for the full amount of the item with one payment. Items purchased with multiple payments – like a deposit followed by a final payment – are not eligible.
- Open a Dispute within 180 Days of the date you sent the payment, then follow the online dispute resolution process described below under Dispute Resolution. For Pay After Delivery transactions you must open your Dispute within 180 Days of the date of your transaction.
- You have not received a recovery related to such purchase from another source.
13.3 Ineligible Items. Payments for the following are not eligible for reimbursement under PayPal Purchase Protection:Even if your payment is not eligible for PayPal Purchase Protection, you can file a Dispute and try to resolve the issue directly with the Seller; however, PayPal will generally not find in your favor if you escalate a Dispute to a Claim for an item which is not eligible for PayPal Purchase Protection.
- Real estate, including residential property
- Businesses
- Vehicles, including motor vehicles, motorcycles, caravans, aircraft and boats
- Significantly Not As Described issues for Custom-made items
- Items prohibited by the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
- For INR claims, items which you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf, including items bought through In-Store Checkout at the retail point of sale
- Industrial machinery used in manufacturing
- Items equivalent to cash, including prepaid or gift cards
- PayPal Direct Payments
- Virtual Terminal Payments
- Personal Payments
13.4 Coverage Amount. If you are eligible for PayPal Purchase Protection and PayPal finds in your favor on your Claim, PayPal will reimburse you for the full purchase price of the item and original shipping costs – with no cap on coverage.
PayPal will not reimburse you for the return shipping costs that you incur to return a Significantly Not As Described item to the Seller or other party specified by PayPal. If the Seller presents evidence that they delivered the goods to your address, PayPal may find in favor of the Seller for an Item Not Received claim even if you did not receive the goods.
Paypal are not exactly known for their support of the little guy i disputed transactions. Since we're talking about a sale between two persons, as opposed to businesses, there's a limit to what can be done. There's no right of return, what's actually in the boxes being shipped to and fro is being taken on faith (from Paypal's perspective), etc. What's more they already have their money and can only lose by arbitrating between individuals. I hope it works for you, but I wouldn't expect too much.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82065.msg2171031#msg2171031
Let's address this latest bull****, and explain why I've now escalated to Paypal and I am absolutely not going to return the keyboard or keycaps to beserkfan under any circumstances.
One, I got in touch with Meiosis after he pinged me believing they were possibly his keycaps. I found his name labeled on the bag. I took photos so that he could see I had his keycaps. I then told him that I would pay out of my pocket to ship them to him, because it was CONUS and a very small package. In other words, me being the nice guy that I am, covering beserkfan's ass on this one. I said nothing more than that he should consider filing a claim.
Meiosis' Keycaps: https://imgur.com/a/xcjgX
Why did I offer to do this? Because beserkfan asked me to ship this to a proxy at my expense, at which point he stated he would not send Scarpia his keyboard or a refund. Because he felt, and I quote, "he got too much stuff." Well no **** he got a ton of stuff - he paid a lot of money for it and the shipping. Returning the keyboard to the seller with the knowledge that he is defrauding the purchaser? Especially when I know who the purchaser is? That makes me a party to the fraud. I could be charged criminally.
Here's Scarpia's keyboard, and the keycaps, and somebody's rubber feet: https://imgur.com/a/GV8Vm
What I wanted, simply, is to know where my keyboards that I paid for were and how we would handle Scarpia's issue in a LEGITIMATE, LEGAL fashion. Simple as that. I did not bring up Meiosis because frankly, I don't trust beserkfan would ship those keycaps out either. So again, being the nice guy that I am and as you all saw, I said I would ensure those keycaps got delivered to their proper, legal owner as soon as possible.
If I ship out all of these items, what am I left with? Absolutely nothing. I will not be keeping one single part I received, because none of them are mine. No matter how far you stretch the wording, these items belong to other people. Period. Not only that, but I do not want zinc keycaps or a 60% board. I hate 60%. Do you know what beserkfan wanted me to do in exchange for nothing?
Pay out of my pocket for shipping to an unverified proxy in the US. Where he would not ship the items to the purchasers, nor would he refund the purchasers. And if I didn't do that, he threatened to insist I ship it to Singapore - at a cost of more than $100. Out of pocket. So yes, he was demanding I pay $100 for the princely reward of absolutely ****ing nothing!!
That's not how it works. And yes, I see now that Paypal ****ed up and marked it as Damaged. That is not how I filed it. I filed it as "WRONG ITEM" but apparently the site didn't take. Since I had no visibility into that, I had no idea. I've asked Paypal to correct it as part of the escalation. Nothing in the package was damaged, everything was well packed, and everything is still safe.
As it is, even if I reverse the charges, this is going to cost me money. Period. I have keycaps that need to go to their legal owner. I have a keyboard that somehow has to go to ****ing Sweden. This is not how I want to spend my weekend. It is not even in the same universe as what I want to be doing. Dealing with the angsty ragequitting BS from someone who refuses to accept responsibility for errors he already admitted he made? I do that enough at work. I have not one single desire to do it here.
Oh, and no beserkfan didn't send what he said to me. He sent nothing at all. My last PM from him was May 13th; my last Paypal communication was me telling him that expecting me to eat $100 in shipping and be a party to fraud was not an acceptable solution. All I wanted was for him to do something so very, stupidly, ridiculously reasonable: find out who has my keyboards and arrange correct shipping to me (which will cost less than I paid STILL), and arrange a way for me to get Scarpia and Meiosis their stuff.
Which speaks untold volumes about how he is handling this and how he intends to handle it. So now tomorrow, I'm going to have to bloody call Paypal, make sure they fixed the filing, and explain to them that the seller is being completely uncooperative, making absurd demands in violation of Paypal TOS, knows and has already admitted he screwed up, and has publicly stated that not only did he screw up he has no intention of issuing refunds or honoring his financial obligations.
There is literally no word for what he is doing other than criminal fraud. That's what it is, plain and simple. Don't even think of calling it anything else.
And I am now going to drink too much whiskey and go to bed. There are no words for how pissed off and utterly disappointed I am with Gutz. None at all.
I'd like to ask for this thread to be locked for roughly two more days because le ledditors and MD apologists(thinking about three people in particular, you know who you are) are talking a lot about this right now and will pour oil into fire to make community-ran GB's look worse. Just look at some of the comments to this thread outside of GH to see that already being done. The topic needs calm and civil discussion, not drama escalators, and most people that aren't actually affected will forget by then.1. This isn't a groupbuy (I know a lot of people are misunderstanding that though)
2. Who the **** cares what reddit and massdrop think? I don't. If they want something bad enough, they can join a groupbuy. If they don't want to, nobody's forcing them. We shouldn't like change and mold our community to make it look good for people that aren't even part of it.
I agree. This is a thread for this issue, and you're not going to please everyone all the time trying to minimize it.
What I'd personally like is for this thread to be retitled something more appropriate, so those affected can come here to find out what happened, and communicate with each other. There are those that are affected that don't even have any idea of what's going on, and the thread title doesn't give any indication. Berserkfan/Gutz has said he's abandoning thread, and to a large extent, the problem he created. Handle our problems through official channels, and then communicate about what's been done/what can be done, and come together as a community is what I'd like and advocate for.Do you think the jagoffs on reddit would make the least effort to ensure people got the order they paid for? Hell no. Absolutely not. They'd run around gloating about it and keep it.
This part is part of what is making the two so divisive, and I personally don't buy into it. Air_tree was on this board mostly, and mind_funeral on reddit. But mind_funeral went out of his way to help air_tree. Doesn't that say that enthusiasts are just people- and there are good ones and bad ones?
got a set of thin pbt iso caps and some random sa caps. i thought maybe i was lucky and got excluded from the massive ****up, but nope lol.
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Hey I ordered white on black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps as well, but I paid $87 total. Was he selling more than one black M13? I paid through PayPal gift like a schmuck. 😢
not sure if he was selling more than 1. did you get the wrong item too? he had the set listed at $50, it was prob the last day of his sale when I contacted him. I did the pp goods option because I wanted the tracking that was available with airmail. here's screenshot of message:also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Hey I ordered white on black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps as well, but I paid $87 total. Was he selling more than one black M13? I paid through PayPal gift like a schmuck. 😢
not sure if he was selling more than 1. did you get the wrong item too? he had the set listed at $50, it was prob the last day of his sale when I contacted him. I did the pp goods option because I wanted the tracking that was available with airmail. here's screenshot of message:also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Hey I ordered white on black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps as well, but I paid $87 total. Was he selling more than one black M13? I paid through PayPal gift like a schmuck. 😢Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/97Zzt6t.png)
hope you can get it resolved dude.. hopefully he sent you the right caps and it'll come any day nownot sure if he was selling more than 1. did you get the wrong item too? he had the set listed at $50, it was prob the last day of his sale when I contacted him. I did the pp goods option because I wanted the tracking that was available with airmail. here's screenshot of message:also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Hey I ordered white on black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps as well, but I paid $87 total. Was he selling more than one black M13? I paid through PayPal gift like a schmuck. 😢Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/97Zzt6t.png)
Damn you got a better deal than me! Paid on the 29th. Haven't gotten anything yet and he never confirmed with me that they actually shipped. I pm'ed him two days ago on DT but no response. I've been extremely understanding and polite to him.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OmPqVZS.jpg)
"PayPal will want me to upgrade to a seller account and that's more paperwork for me."
Literally the only difference between basic, seller, and business accounts are the tools you can use. I don't "own" a business but I use PayPal Business and it's almost exactly the same as regular PayPal.
"PayPal will want me to upgrade to a seller account and that's more paperwork for me."
Literally the only difference between basic, seller, and business accounts are the tools you can use. I don't "own" a business but I use PayPal Business and it's almost exactly the same as regular PayPal.
Looks like a scam from the beginning...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hdp5VngkejeTHM_U8G2JFJUCGYrsgH_-GX1EmXfHx5g/edit?usp=sharing
updated doc a bit, will continue after dinner. Working on received next - once again, as packages come in please please please please speak up to say what you got.
Finally, let's not continue to bash beserkfan or each other. Instead just work things out because clearly he's not going to. So get what you can back from him, file complaints, file everything. His whining only hurts his case, and by being the better person holding a better posture, you'll find that the scales will tip towards you in claims. For others, lets see what we can work with on Moneygram or other methods. BUT KEEP OUR SOLUTIONS LEGAL, LEGITIMATE, AND CIVIL. I urge, I can't force, but I urge everyone be forthcoming and honest. I will be pm'ing more and following up with some others that might have been involved, and some of the folks that I am missing details to.
I am also going to be looking into possibly straight up fraud (selling items he didn't have) as there seems to be a pretty big coincidence on "themed" keyboards - which so happened to have been unlisted.
"PayPal will want me to upgrade to a seller account and that's more paperwork for me."
Literally the only difference between basic, seller, and business accounts are the tools you can use. I don't "own" a business but I use PayPal Business and it's almost exactly the same as regular PayPal.
Looks like a scam from the beginning...
This was definitely NOT a scam. A scam would be sending out nothing at all. This was negligence/pressure from wife/massive stress/take your pick.
Beserkfan: You've kind of incited the curiosity of what is essentially a bored guy. You sparked my interest. Captured my attention - you've got it now. So I'm going to do what I can to help these people, and spite you along the way. Because I can.
I have been known to be persistent.Just wanted to say that this was my fault, and to lay the blame at my feet. Sorry to all affected- this is definitely a learning experience that I wish I didn't have to have
Just wanted to say that this was my fault, and to lay the blame at my feet.
he thought he could get a good deal, but that obviously didn't happen
Just wanted to say that this was my fault, and to lay the blame at my feet.
You're the one who convinced Berserk's wife to move to a new house? Why'd ya do it?
did somebody srsly get a pack of cigs?He posted them on the freebies thread
Not exactly what I meant- but that's certainly what G implied, so why not go there?he thought he could get a good deal, but that obviously didn't happen
Just wanted to say that this was my fault, and to lay the blame at my feet.
You're the one who convinced Berserk's wife to move to a new house? Why'd ya do it?
Not that I expect my box for another month, but all that MX minutiae is over my head.
Are Filco key caps especially desirable?
Not that I expect my box for another month, but all that MX minutiae is over my head.
Are Filco key caps especially desirable?
I believe it's mostly just Filco sphericals that most are interested in, as they are a SA profile set, and that's popular right now. I suppose there might also be special interest in the front-print caps, as there aren't very many sources for those either (at least not that I'm aware of).
Not that I expect my box for another month, but all that MX minutiae is over my head.
Are Filco key caps especially desirable?
I believe it's mostly just Filco sphericals that most are interested in, as they are a SA profile set, and that's popular right now. I suppose there might also be special interest in the front-print caps, as there aren't very many sources for those either (at least not that I'm aware of).
Are Filco key caps especially desirable?
Mine are already there, but possibly update them to say Massdrop Granite in each description to make things clearer.
All keycaps and IBM keyboards from chuckdee's PDFs have been imported into the spreadsheet to ease tracking. (And helpfully illustrates that it is not all that hard to track if an item is sold or not. Get a message, put the name in.) Still looking for the other keyboard list.
However, you can still file a report online through the Internet Crime Complaint Center, or IC3.
The IC3 was established as a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) to serve as a means to receive Internet related criminal complaints.
The IC3 accepts online Internet crime complaints from either the actual victim or from a third party to the complainant. They will process your complaint if they receive accurate and complete information from you. When filing a complaint, provide the following information:
Your name
Your mailing address
Your telephone number
The name, address, telephone number, and Web address, if available, of the individual or organization you believe defrauded you.
Specific details on how, why, and when you believe you were defrauded.
Any other relevant information you believe is necessary to support your complaint.
You can file a complaint with the IC3 at www.ic3.gov.
What do others (affected and non-affected) think about this recourse?
What do others (affected and non-affected) think about this recourse?
Be my guest, but it seems awfully...silly. This is waaaaay below the threshhold of what the FBI is interested in. Not to mention the fact that items were shipped from Singapore, where the FBI has no jurisdiction.
What do others (affected and non-affected) think about this recourse?
Be my guest, but it seems awfully...silly. This is waaaaay below the threshhold of what the FBI is interested in. Not to mention the fact that items were shipped from Singapore, where the FBI has no jurisdiction.
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
The shipping complaints, are, though annoying, apparently just erroneous and negligent, rather than fraud.
But based on the fact that no orders are complete and/or correct from the information that we have, and the double selling, this is looking more and more like fraud. And with his response, it makes it a bit harder to swallow. But, even with that, I still hesitate to file this kind of complaint.
What do others (affected and non-affected) think about this recourse?
so at what point do we file a claim for fraud? If we never receive anything and we don't have a tracking number, we can never prove that the items were never sent out and are just stuck in some shipping facility halfway across the world.
I'm going to check whether moneygram shows if your money has been received once my internet gets fixed tonight.
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
You've convinced me. In fact, we've not gone far enough. I've just filed fraud reports with MI6, Interpol, the Better Business Bureau, the ATF, the CIA, CSI, IBM and IFTTT. Who wants to write him a bad review on Yelp?
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
You've convinced me. In fact, we've not gone far enough. I've just filed fraud reports with MI6, Interpol, the Better Business Bureau, the ATF, the CIA, CSI, IBM and IFTTT. Who wants to write him a bad review on Yelp?
Do we really need to get condescending and sarcastic in this thread? There's no harm in reporting this to anyone. Sure, it might be in vain, but in that case perhaps a polite reminder or heads up of that fact is more appropriate.
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
You've convinced me. In fact, we've not gone far enough. I've just filed fraud reports with MI6, Interpol, the Better Business Bureau, the ATF, the CIA, CSI, IBM and IFTTT. Who wants to write him a bad review on Yelp?
Do we really need to get condescending and sarcastic in this thread? There's no harm in reporting this to anyone. Sure, it might be in vain, but in that case perhaps a polite reminder or heads up of that fact is more appropriate.
Okay - in all fairness, I thought I did give him a polite heads-up. The first time he suggested the IC3.
But you are also correct that it was rude of me to be patronizing just because he didn't immediately come around to my way of thinking. Apologies, all - and to chuckdee in particular. And if you do manage to get berserkfan a bad Yelp review, you have my mad respect.
If the FBI was only interested in domestic, then they wouldn't be doing internet at all, IMO. And why do you think it's below what they are interested in? Do you see a limit somewhere? And just as an FYI, this was suggested by Paypal as they were looking into my claim, so not sure why they'd suggest it if it wasn't appropriate.
You've convinced me. In fact, we've not gone far enough. I've just filed fraud reports with MI6, Interpol, the Better Business Bureau, the ATF, the CIA, CSI, IBM and IFTTT. Who wants to write him a bad review on Yelp?
Do we really need to get condescending and sarcastic in this thread? There's no harm in reporting this to anyone. Sure, it might be in vain, but in that case perhaps a polite reminder or heads up of that fact is more appropriate.
Okay - in all fairness, I thought I did give him a polite heads-up. The first time he suggested the IC3.
But you are also correct that it was inappropriate of me to be patronizing just because he didn't immediately come around to my way of thinking. Apologies, all - and to chuckdee in particular. And if you do manage to get berserkfan a bad Yelp review, you have my mad respect.
Regardless, to make the strongest possible case for ALL customers, we need to know exactly what was ordered, paid for, and roughly how much. That is the information we need from you, that we are assembling for everyone to use.
I did think it was strange that he asked for a bank transfer for most of the money. LUL.Well, after his problems with PayPal, I didn't think that was automatically bad, it's just that I wasn't going to do that no matter what. But it wasn't automatically a red flag for that reason I think.
I did think it was strange that he asked for a bank transfer for most of the money. LUL.Well, after his problems with PayPal, I didn't think that was automatically bad, it's just that I wasn't going to do that no matter what. But it wasn't automatically a red flag for that reason I think.
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I did think it was strange that he asked for a bank transfer for most of the money. LUL.Well, after his problems with PayPal, I didn't think that was automatically bad, it's just that I wasn't going to do that no matter what. But it wasn't automatically a red flag for that reason I think.
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I still think it is. There are plenty of other more secure ways to send money to people that gives you some sort of protection instead of throwing your money into a big hole hoping to get something back.
That's not how it works. And yes, I see now that Paypal ****ed up and marked it as Damaged. That is not how I filed it. I filed it as "WRONG ITEM" but apparently the site didn't take. Since I had no visibility into that, I had no idea. I've asked Paypal to correct it as part of the escalation. Nothing in the package was damaged, everything was well packed, and everything is still safe.
As it is, even if I reverse the charges, this is going to cost me money. Period. I have keycaps that need to go to their legal owner. I have a keyboard that somehow has to go to ****ing Sweden. This is not how I want to spend my weekend. It is not even in the same universe as what I want to be doing. Dealing with the angsty ragequitting BS from someone who refuses to accept responsibility for errors he already admitted he made? I do that enough at work. I have not one single desire to do it here.
Type paypal.com/il/uploaddoc in your url. You should be able to send documentation that way. Be sure to reference your case number and name.
I just checked, and find that I still have some things that were paid for by other people and never sent to them.
These are:
1) keyboard that I owe Mike52787. Already agreed that I would paint the board for him over the next few weeks before sending
2) Box of white on black Ducky Side Print keycaps. I was damned sure I sold these, and I still have them???!!!
3) Brand new NIB sealed light green set of gateron thick PBT blank keycaps. Also damned sure I sold these already.
4) 100 brand new white PBT blank keycaps. I mistakenly double sold my 80 colored PBT grab bag, so I promised someone he would get these 100 brand new whites instead to do his own dyejobs. But who did I promise?
5) I have a box of newish Ducky thick PBT keycaps. This was never listed for sale/ is a personal set. If you got screwed by an insufficient shipment please let me know and this can be sent to you.
6) I have a set of new gray switches and new stems/springs I’m pretty sure were sold very early on. I can’t remember to whom I sold these.
7) I still have a set of cherry PCB mounted stabilizers. Not sure if anyone is still owed one set. I’m convinced I sold all my Cherry stabs.
8) I have a brand new orange silicon skin for Ducky Shine 3 Fullsize keyboards. Originally not listed for sale; meant to give to rootwyrm as a surprise freebie, but was left out of the Ducky Shines shipped to him via untracked sea mail. Since rootwyrm has filed paypal complaint, he will not get this.
9) Am holding on to an empty G80-1950 box with the accessories (keycaps and cable) inside! Two people bought G80-1950s from me and they were supposed to be shipped in the boxes, but now I don’t have any G80-1950 and I have one empty box instead. I think the keyboard itself must have been stuffed in someone’s 10kg box or thrown away by accident.
10) I still have a bunch of Model M and F cables. I thought I over promised them to anyone who wanted, and I still have these things!
11) I remember a legit buyer wanted some of my Cherry keyboard trackball/ trackpad assemblies. I still have these!
12) I don’t remember if I ever sold my Filco Fullsize kit. Do I owe anyone this kit?
13) If I can still find things that have been sold/ promised to be given and were not shipped out I’ll post them.
14) No more Big Items.
If you are owed any of these things, please contact me by PM. Just give your address; shipping is on me. Not going through my notes anymore which are a mess and not reliable. I’ll read PMs in a week.
Shipping:
I will ship by early June. Shipping by sea mail, untracked. May take 2-3 months. Don’t pester me to rush ship things or else mistakes may recur. The April-May period was horrible and the consequences are still reverberating.
I will take photos of the postal receipts, packaging and postmarks to prove that they were handed off at the post office.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82224.0
I just checked, and find that I still have some things that were paid for by other people and never sent to them.
These are:
1) keyboard that I owe Mike52787. Already agreed that I would paint the board for him over the next few weeks before sending
2) Box of white on black Ducky Side Print keycaps. I was damned sure I sold these, and I still have them???!!!
3) Brand new NIB sealed light green set of gateron thick PBT blank keycaps. Also damned sure I sold these already.
4) 100 brand new white PBT blank keycaps. I mistakenly double sold my 80 colored PBT grab bag, so I promised someone he would get these 100 brand new whites instead to do his own dyejobs. But who did I promise?
5) I have a box of newish Ducky thick PBT keycaps. This was never listed for sale/ is a personal set. If you got screwed by an insufficient shipment please let me know and this can be sent to you.
6) I have a set of new gray switches and new stems/springs I’m pretty sure were sold very early on. I can’t remember to whom I sold these.
7) I still have a set of cherry PCB mounted stabilizers. Not sure if anyone is still owed one set. I’m convinced I sold all my Cherry stabs.
8) I have a brand new orange silicon skin for Ducky Shine 3 Fullsize keyboards. Originally not listed for sale; meant to give to rootwyrm as a surprise freebie, but was left out of the Ducky Shines shipped to him via untracked sea mail. Since rootwyrm has filed paypal complaint, he will not get this.
9) Am holding on to an empty G80-1950 box with the accessories (keycaps and cable) inside! Two people bought G80-1950s from me and they were supposed to be shipped in the boxes, but now I don’t have any G80-1950 and I have one empty box instead. I think the keyboard itself must have been stuffed in someone’s 10kg box or thrown away by accident.
10) I still have a bunch of Model M and F cables. I thought I over promised them to anyone who wanted, and I still have these things!
11) I remember a legit buyer wanted some of my Cherry keyboard trackball/ trackpad assemblies. I still have these!
12) I don’t remember if I ever sold my Filco Fullsize kit. Do I owe anyone this kit?
13) If I can still find things that have been sold/ promised to be given and were not shipped out I’ll post them.
14) No more Big Items.
If you are owed any of these things, please contact me by PM. Just give your address; shipping is on me. Not going through my notes anymore which are a mess and not reliable. I’ll read PMs in a week.
Shipping:
I will ship by early June. Shipping by sea mail, untracked. May take 2-3 months. Don’t pester me to rush ship things or else mistakes may recur. The April-May period was horrible and the consequences are still reverberating.
I will take photos of the postal receipts, packaging and postmarks to prove that they were handed off at the post office.
Cross posting this, as he closed the other thread and erased the OP.
I just checked, and find that I still have some things that were paid for by other people and never sent to them.
These are:
1) keyboard that I owe Mike52787. Already agreed that I would paint the board for him over the next few weeks before sending
2) Box of white on black Ducky Side Print keycaps. I was damned sure I sold these, and I still have them???!!!
3) Brand new NIB sealed light green set of gateron thick PBT blank keycaps. Also damned sure I sold these already.
4) 100 brand new white PBT blank keycaps. I mistakenly double sold my 80 colored PBT grab bag, so I promised someone he would get these 100 brand new whites instead to do his own dyejobs. But who did I promise?
5) I have a box of newish Ducky thick PBT keycaps. This was never listed for sale/ is a personal set. If you got screwed by an insufficient shipment please let me know and this can be sent to you.
6) I have a set of new gray switches and new stems/springs I’m pretty sure were sold very early on. I can’t remember to whom I sold these.
7) I still have a set of cherry PCB mounted stabilizers. Not sure if anyone is still owed one set. I’m convinced I sold all my Cherry stabs.
8) I have a brand new orange silicon skin for Ducky Shine 3 Fullsize keyboards. Originally not listed for sale; meant to give to rootwyrm as a surprise freebie, but was left out of the Ducky Shines shipped to him via untracked sea mail. Since rootwyrm has filed paypal complaint, he will not get this.
9) Am holding on to an empty G80-1950 box with the accessories (keycaps and cable) inside! Two people bought G80-1950s from me and they were supposed to be shipped in the boxes, but now I don’t have any G80-1950 and I have one empty box instead. I think the keyboard itself must have been stuffed in someone’s 10kg box or thrown away by accident.
10) I still have a bunch of Model M and F cables. I thought I over promised them to anyone who wanted, and I still have these things!
11) I remember a legit buyer wanted some of my Cherry keyboard trackball/ trackpad assemblies. I still have these!
12) I don’t remember if I ever sold my Filco Fullsize kit. Do I owe anyone this kit?
13) If I can still find things that have been sold/ promised to be given and were not shipped out I’ll post them.
14) No more Big Items.
If you are owed any of these things, please contact me by PM. Just give your address; shipping is on me. Not going through my notes anymore which are a mess and not reliable. I’ll read PMs in a week.
Shipping:
I will ship by early June. Shipping by sea mail, untracked. May take 2-3 months. Don’t pester me to rush ship things or else mistakes may recur. The April-May period was horrible and the consequences are still reverberating.
I will take photos of the postal receipts, packaging and postmarks to prove that they were handed off at the post office.
Cross posting this, as he closed the other thread and erased the OP.
I will merge the threads.
I think it's obvious, but just in case, I'd advise people to not fall for this. So he miraculously finds stuff again, offers to send items to people who were wronged without saying who is eligible and who shall get what (so everything would be negociated in MP, behind closed doors), and finally warns that it would take 2 to 3 months for the goods to reach people: he's merely buying time hoping that people will stop making paypal claims or retract them, adding to the overall confusion, hoping that after those 3 months it will be too late for people to dispute the initial transaction.
Or maybe he's truthful, but the method does not seem to differ significantly than that which led to the current clusterduck, so I can't see how it should work this time. I'd like to say "it's nice to see him try to correct what went wrong" but it doesn't even seem to be the right way to do it (more shady transactions aren't the way to go).
One thing to add to rootwyrm's excellent bit above- once you do open a dispute, you do have a potentially shorter timeframe to escalate to a claim. So keep that deadline in mind also- they're pretty up front about it.
One thing to add to rootwyrm's excellent bit above- once you do open a dispute, you do have a potentially shorter timeframe to escalate to a claim. So keep that deadline in mind also- they're pretty up front about it.
You have 20 days after a dispute is opened to file a claim. My claim has been open for 5 days now with no response (other than him telling me to escalate the dispute). Unfortunately, I think I (and anyone else that opens a claim) have to wait until the claim "times out" so to speak and have PayPal rule in my favor, because Gutz can't actually authorize refunds with his account like it is.
Edit: This info is for PayPal. I don't know about any other payment methods.
He can reply and say "It's my fault. I just can't do anything about it." Maybe that's what he's doing, but he's also not responding and saying that to us, which hurts perception.
I just checked, and find that I still have some things that were paid for by other people and never sent to them.
These are:
1) keyboard that I owe Mike52787. Already agreed that I would paint the board for him over the next few weeks before sending
2) Box of white on black Ducky Side Print keycaps. I was damned sure I sold these, and I still have them???!!!
3) Brand new NIB sealed light green set of gateron thick PBT blank keycaps. Also damned sure I sold these already.
4) 100 brand new white PBT blank keycaps. I mistakenly double sold my 80 colored PBT grab bag, so I promised someone he would get these 100 brand new whites instead to do his own dyejobs. But who did I promise?
5) I have a box of newish Ducky thick PBT keycaps. This was never listed for sale/ is a personal set. If you got screwed by an insufficient shipment please let me know and this can be sent to you.
6) I have a set of new gray switches and new stems/springs I’m pretty sure were sold very early on. I can’t remember to whom I sold these.
7) I still have a set of cherry PCB mounted stabilizers. Not sure if anyone is still owed one set. I’m convinced I sold all my Cherry stabs.
8) I have a brand new orange silicon skin for Ducky Shine 3 Fullsize keyboards. Originally not listed for sale; meant to give to rootwyrm as a surprise freebie, but was left out of the Ducky Shines shipped to him via untracked sea mail. Since rootwyrm has filed paypal complaint, he will not get this.
9) Am holding on to an empty G80-1950 box with the accessories (keycaps and cable) inside! Two people bought G80-1950s from me and they were supposed to be shipped in the boxes, but now I don’t have any G80-1950 and I have one empty box instead. I think the keyboard itself must have been stuffed in someone’s 10kg box or thrown away by accident.
10) I still have a bunch of Model M and F cables. I thought I over promised them to anyone who wanted, and I still have these things!
11) I remember a legit buyer wanted some of my Cherry keyboard trackball/ trackpad assemblies. I still have these!
12) I don’t remember if I ever sold my Filco Fullsize kit. Do I owe anyone this kit?
13) If I can still find things that have been sold/ promised to be given and were not shipped out I’ll post them.
14) No more Big Items.
If you are owed any of these things, please contact me by PM. Just give your address; shipping is on me. Not going through my notes anymore which are a mess and not reliable. I’ll read PMs in a week.
Shipping:
I will ship by early June. Shipping by sea mail, untracked. May take 2-3 months. Don’t pester me to rush ship things or else mistakes may recur. The April-May period was horrible and the consequences are still reverberating.
I will take photos of the postal receipts, packaging and postmarks to prove that they were handed off at the post office.
Cross posting this, as he closed the other thread and erased the OP.
Well. At least one set of the keycaps is not on the way to me now.
I feel like I need to file a dispute but I made a payment via Western Union.
Not sure what should be my next move on this.
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Well. At least one set of the keycaps is not on the way to me now.
I feel like I need to file a dispute but I made a payment via Western Union.
Not sure what should be my next move on this.
Has he picked it up?
https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html
Doesn't look good, unless you get lucky and he didn't pick it up.
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Finally got a reply from berserkfan saying that he had more than two M13 WOB buckling spring sets to sell, and that he specifically remembered packing mine in a Zeal LLC box and shipped it through sea mail untracked. This is actually the shipping option we agreed upon. Hopefully it comes through.
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Finally got a reply from berserkfan saying that he had more than two M13 WOB buckling spring sets to sell, and that he specifically remembered packing mine in a Zeal LLC box and shipped it through sea mail untracked. This is actually the shipping option we agreed upon. Hopefully it comes through.
I remain skeptical. Especially with the increasingly questionable nature of things every time Gutz provides an update. At no point did he indicate a second set of M13 WOB in any of the sheets I've reviewed - but I don't see any other sales either. So I suppose it's possible. It'd certainly be a first for this fiasco.
If that fails, ping me - I usually save the GHB clusters, so I might have some WOBs. (Yeah, I'm still M13 obsessed.)
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Finally got a reply from berserkfan saying that he had more than two M13 WOB buckling spring sets to sell, and that he specifically remembered packing mine in a Zeal LLC box and shipped it through sea mail untracked. This is actually the shipping option we agreed upon. Hopefully it comes through.
also got boned. paid Gutz $68 for White on Black IBM M13 buckling spring keycaps and got some random set of garbage stock MX keycaps off what looks like a Mionix keyboard.
filing for a paypal refund now.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vWxPEbV.jpg)
Finally got a reply from berserkfan saying that he had more than two M13 WOB buckling spring sets to sell, and that he specifically remembered packing mine in a Zeal LLC box and shipped it through sea mail untracked. This is actually the shipping option we agreed upon. Hopefully it comes through.
When did you received a reply? I did send him several PM about my order But to response
Does anyone have those word documents describing what each item is or know where it's located? When I pmd him I just used the names like J6 and M7 and unfortunately can't remember which thread has which documents.There are links earlier in the thread. If you can't find it, let me know, and I'll link it when I get to my computer
Well. At least one set of the keycaps is not on the way to me now.
I feel like I need to file a dispute but I made a payment via Western Union.
Not sure what should be my next move on this.
Has he picked it up?
https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html
Doesn't look good, unless you get lucky and he didn't pick it up.
He already picked up the money 11 days ago. :(
If the receiver has already picked up the funds, this money is gone and we won’t be able to refund your money.
Read more at https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html#mVyQ5jCKaUEWvZdY.99
Master sublists of everything that Gutz put together - this is not an exhaustive list, however it is also the best documentation that we have that can confirm what, according to Gutz, was on hand at the time.
Well. At least one set of the keycaps is not on the way to me now.
I feel like I need to file a dispute but I made a payment via Western Union.
Not sure what should be my next move on this.
Has he picked it up?
https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html
Doesn't look good, unless you get lucky and he didn't pick it up.
He already picked up the money 11 days ago. :(
more than "it doesn't look good - it seems to be impossible for us to get our money back.QuoteIf the receiver has already picked up the funds, this money is gone and we won’t be able to refund your money.
Read more at https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html#mVyQ5jCKaUEWvZdY.99
im sadWell. At least one set of the keycaps is not on the way to me now.
I feel like I need to file a dispute but I made a payment via Western Union.
Not sure what should be my next move on this.
Has he picked it up?
https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html
Doesn't look good, unless you get lucky and he didn't pick it up.
He already picked up the money 11 days ago. :(
more than "it doesn't look good - it seems to be impossible for us to get our money back.QuoteIf the receiver has already picked up the funds, this money is gone and we won’t be able to refund your money.
Read more at https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/fraudawareness/fraud-question-and-answer.html#mVyQ5jCKaUEWvZdY.99
Doesn't look good, i.e. unless he didn't pick it up. I didn't know the status of that question when I posted the quoted bit.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zhUKx9Wx4kQElgKDjVE_lHHnNhhWAhSIMXsq9mJMAqo/edit?usp=sharing
Master sublists of everything that Gutz put together - this is not an exhaustive list, however it is also the best documentation that we have that can confirm what, according to Gutz, was on hand at the time.
It's a large file, and it isn't ideal for viewing due to formatting but it's a list. Rootwyrm has been going through them and making comparisons.
Finally, I am aware of a few people that have acted as proxies - I encourage them to come out and show what was bought by your proxies. Please do not let this become multi-level, it is difficult enough to keep track.
You’re eligible for a refund of $135.00 USD once you return the items listed below before May 31, 2016. Before you do so, please read our instructions carefully.
Well, got good news today:QuoteYou’re eligible for a refund of $135.00 USD once you return the items listed below before May 31, 2016. Before you do so, please read our instructions carefully.
I'll send it Monday and be on the way to being done with this nightmare. I might even go out once the rain is stopped- just not sure how late the post office is open. This unfortunately means that Eiji (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39178) is going to have to deal with G directly. But he hasn't responded to PM's, and indeed hasn't been on since the 11th. It's unfortunate, but that's what paypal requires.
Well, got good news today:QuoteYou’re eligible for a refund of $135.00 USD once you return the items listed below before May 31, 2016. Before you do so, please read our instructions carefully.
I'll send it Monday and be on the way to being done with this nightmare. I might even go out once the rain is stopped- just not sure how late the post office is open. This unfortunately means that Eiji (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39178) is going to have to deal with G directly. But he hasn't responded to PM's, and indeed hasn't been on since the 11th. It's unfortunate, but that's what paypal requires.
Read what Paypal wants - they want you to eat the $100+ shipping because Gutz is defrauding them as well. And of course, as he has previously stated, anything returned will disappear along with the money that people paid for it. If you get that response, immediately call Paypal. IMMEDIATELY. Do NOT return goods to Goh - this makes you a party to willful fraud. Call Paypal immediately and raise hell. I'm on hold now and absolutely livid. I am not eating $110 in shipping no matter what.
We'll cover up to $30 of return shipping costs for up to 11 eligible PayPal purchases worldwide until 12/31/16.
Well, got good news today:QuoteYou’re eligible for a refund of $135.00 USD once you return the items listed below before May 31, 2016. Before you do so, please read our instructions carefully.
I'll send it Monday and be on the way to being done with this nightmare. I might even go out once the rain is stopped- just not sure how late the post office is open. This unfortunately means that Eiji (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39178) is going to have to deal with G directly. But he hasn't responded to PM's, and indeed hasn't been on since the 11th. It's unfortunate, but that's what paypal requires.
Read what Paypal wants - they want you to eat the $100+ shipping because Gutz is defrauding them as well. And of course, as he has previously stated, anything returned will disappear along with the money that people paid for it. If you get that response, immediately call Paypal. IMMEDIATELY. Do NOT return goods to Goh - this makes you a party to willful fraud. Call Paypal immediately and raise hell. I'm on hold now and absolutely livid. I am not eating $110 in shipping no matter what.
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/returnsQuoteWe'll cover up to $30 of return shipping costs for up to 11 eligible PayPal purchases worldwide until 12/31/16.
The item is eligible for return shipping refund. And mine was only $17 to ship here, $8 of that was included in the what I paid, so will be refunded.
And as far as being a party to willful fraud... how do you figure that? They want the items returned to him in order to give me my refund. That seems reasonable to me.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
I can't just ship it to the address that paypal told me to ship it to in the claim? I know I can ship it via usps priority mail international for $45 which includes tracking. Also what happened to the thing that said I was covered for return shipping costs?
"We'll cover up to $30 of return shipping costs for up to 11 eligible PayPal purchases worldwide until 12/31/16."
Well, got good news today:QuoteYou’re eligible for a refund of $135.00 USD once you return the items listed below before May 31, 2016. Before you do so, please read our instructions carefully.
I'll send it Monday and be on the way to being done with this nightmare. I might even go out once the rain is stopped- just not sure how late the post office is open. This unfortunately means that Eiji (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39178) is going to have to deal with G directly. But he hasn't responded to PM's, and indeed hasn't been on since the 11th. It's unfortunate, but that's what paypal requires.
Read what Paypal wants - they want you to eat the $100+ shipping because Gutz is defrauding them as well. And of course, as he has previously stated, anything returned will disappear along with the money that people paid for it. If you get that response, immediately call Paypal. IMMEDIATELY. Do NOT return goods to Goh - this makes you a party to willful fraud. Call Paypal immediately and raise hell. I'm on hold now and absolutely livid. I am not eating $110 in shipping no matter what.
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/returnsQuoteWe'll cover up to $30 of return shipping costs for up to 11 eligible PayPal purchases worldwide until 12/31/16.
The item is eligible for return shipping refund. And mine was only $17 to ship here, $8 of that was included in the what I paid, so will be refunded.
And as far as being a party to willful fraud... how do you figure that? They want the items returned to him in order to give me my refund. That seems reasonable to me.
Check the address.
He's not there any more. He said so himself. Part of the reason for the sale was moving - well if he was moving, he's no longer at the same address. Not only that, but you have to ship it door to door tracked - so it's not $17. It's $60-100+. And if he doesn't pick it up or it isn't delivered, you don't get any refund - at all.
And if he didn't refund the other person? That makes it fraud. He's not shipping out the items he mis-shipped. He's keeping or trashing them. If I ship back Scarpia's board, Scarpia will never see it - Gutz already said that point blank. There's no reason to believe he'll ship anyone else's stuff out or issue their refunds either. Of course, what he foolishly forgot is that some of us have credit cards that will reverse Paypal charges in cases like this. And Paypal will come after him if that happens, because that's what the issuers require.
Like I said; had he proposed something reasonable and not said he intended to defraud people, it likely wouldn't have gotten to where it's at. But he decided that he was going to keep the money, keep the items, and disappear with both.
To receive your refund, you need to:
Return the item(s) listed below to the seller address we provide.
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Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
I can't just ship it to the address that paypal told me to ship it to in the claim? I know I can ship it via usps priority mail international for $45 which includes tracking. Also what happened to the thing that said I was covered for return shipping costs?
"We'll cover up to $30 of return shipping costs for up to 11 eligible PayPal purchases worldwide until 12/31/16."
owait I'm dumb, I didn't know I had to sign up for the refund. I will do that
But whats the catch for this refund activation?
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Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
Uhhhhh.... :confused:
I know that emotions are high. But as we decided earlier, we're not going to get into victim blaming or shaming. Those were your exact words, so please stop spreading fear and doubt to influence people to do things the way you want them to. I know that if I ship it to him, and he's not there or he refuses, it will be sent back to me, and I will keep the item and get my refund. How do I know this? Experience. So... I know you're either misinformed, or... I'm just going to assume misinformed. I bought an LCD that the HDMI input didn't work on. That's the primary input I was going to use on it. I disputed it, and sent it back to him. It was returned. Paypal then refunded me, and I had a good LCD that just didn't work on HDMI.
As far as shipping, especially for the size of the package that he was talking about... that part is also incorrect. Gutz shipped it to me in a form that was good enough for paypal for less than $20.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
Uhhhhh.... :confused:
That's straight from Paypal's mouth - it must be tracked door to door, period. Because they don't want the seller saying they didn't get it back. SingPost's "to destination country" isn't sufficient.
So your choices are GXG, FedEx, UPS, or DHL. I priced it out already. GXG was the cheapest by far to Singapore.
Hi guys, anyone know what is the cheapest shipping method to Singapore that includes tracking? I'm in NY US btw. The package is .22 lbs and the dimensions are 6in x 4in x 3in.
There is no cheap way. You must ship it door to door tracked. That's a Paypal requirement and absolute. Plus you'll be shipping it to an address he's no longer at.
You MUST ship Global Express Guaranteed. This is a MINIMUM cost of this is at least $90 for even a SMALL package. Which must be padded to minimum size requirements.
Uhhhhh.... :confused:
That's straight from Paypal's mouth - it must be tracked door to door, period. Because they don't want the seller saying they didn't get it back. SingPost's "to destination country" isn't sufficient.
So your choices are GXG, FedEx, UPS, or DHL. I priced it out already. GXG was the cheapest by far to Singapore.
And it sure isn't emotions to state the fact that anything shipped back has no guarantee of going out to the buyer, and almost certainly won't. Not when Gutz has explicitly said such, and thrown his little tantrums saying that over and over. He's already said he's not going to make good. So I am more than a little displeased with Paypal right now because they clearly didn't actually investigate the situation. They clearly think this is just a few isolated complaints and 'similar but not quite right' shipments. And they don't want to address that they're dealing with a problem seller.
Not true. The cheapest for me by far was DHL. It was a bit more than I expected, but still within the realm of possibilities- $31.85. Where did you get this door to door bit, if I may ask? It just says online tracking. I did, out of curiosity, ask paypal about the shipping costs. They are submitting a request for the extra small bit to the supervisor and will let me know in a couple of days. I also asked them about his threats... they said to upload an image of the package, and that would be good enough. She also said I can send it Priority Mail Express International if I want to- she was going to get authorization for up to $40 additional, just in case I wanted to do so. I also asked her about your door-to-door bit, and she said as long as it was online trackable and could serve as proof of delivery it would work, and Priority Mail Express International was good enough, as was DHL.
That is not our responsibility. Each of these were individual transactions. It's not our responsibility, or even in our aegis to ship it to the correct person, or to make sure they get their shipment. If we can- i.e. we have no recourse or we get to keep the item- then it's a good thing. But in many cases, that will be impossible.
I see the references that you give... and thanks for that! But in the end, you're assuming that your interpretations of that information is indeed correct (he is not a company, nor entity, so that it applies is in question), and assuming that your Paypal correspondence is correct, and mine is incorrect. Which I totally get. I'm assuming the same thing on my end.
In the end, after looking at everything, I'm going with what I feel, rather than what someone else told me. My rep got me the shipping UP FRONT. She escalated to her boss, and got me CASH MONEY. No matter what, I'm not footing the shipping. She also saw the dispute, and where it was going to. I even asked to make sure. She said that DHL or Priority Express Mail (my two choices) were enough for shipping. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps I'm right. Time will tell. But if it all goes tits up, I'd rather say it was my choice from what I felt and researched rather than something I did because someone else said something or heard something. I'm providing my experiences so that others can learn from them- not to tell them what to do, nor advise them. In the end, that hold money talk, bull**** walks saying is speaking to me. I'm doing me. And I'll report what happens. And I advise all to do what their conscience, gut, reasoning and research tell them after considering all evidence.
So take anything Paypal tells you with a truckload of salt too.
In the face of the potentially huge influx of information, I just want to chime in and say that you're better off calling paypal and figure things out with a specialist.
Steps you can take.
1. Call paypal
2. Reference the escalated dispute/dispute number/case
3. Talk about potential solutions, what can be done, and explain that there have been many orders that were wrong. Make sure that they understand that the reason why the dispute is rather unique is because of
a) HUGE SALES OF EVERYTHING
b) Multiple double/triple selling
c) Multiple methods of payment by other people.
d) Shipping from overseas and the seller has changed addresses - this is important. EMPHASIZE that you may not be able to get it back to him unless beserkfan responds in the disputes
4. Talk about shipping and how it affects you - ask about options, ask about the costs. Again, make the case that he is overseas, in a new address, and his negligence is the cause of everything. Quote, and provide evidence if you must (offer to have a follow up email) and show beserkfan's quotations about how he is not willing to refund people if they got more than they ordered etc etc. That post is quoted somewhere.
5. If paypal is adamant on you shipping, once again push back. Say how there will be many others who will get screwed over, many of them also paying through paypal. How will paypal reconcile with the others? How will paypal ensure that you, the buyer, will not get screwed out of the shipping bill, and at the end of the day, how many others part of the sales will be screwed over if you ship back
6. Have the representative EMAIL YOU A SUMMARY OF YOUR DISCUSSION. DO NOT GET OFF THE PHONE before you get an email stating what you discussed about, and your options and actions carrying onwards. HAVE IT IN WRITING.
7. Escalate to a higher representative if they will not do this for you.
Idk how to properly quote on GH but when chuckdee said this
She also said I can send it Priority Mail Express International if I want to- she was going to get authorization for up to $40 additional, just in case I wanted to do so. I also asked her about your door-to-door bit, and she said as long as it was online trackable and could serve as proof of delivery it would work, and Priority Mail Express International was good enough, as was DHL.
Does that mean I can use Priority Mail International with USPS instead of Priority Mail EXPRESS International when shipping back the item so I can get my refund?
I'm not sure if Priority Mail International is enough.
Idk how to properly quote on GH but when chuckdee said this
She also said I can send it Priority Mail Express International if I want to- she was going to get authorization for up to $40 additional, just in case I wanted to do so. I also asked her about your door-to-door bit, and she said as long as it was online trackable and could serve as proof of delivery it would work, and Priority Mail Express International was good enough, as was DHL.
Does that mean I can use Priority Mail International with USPS instead of Priority Mail EXPRESS International when shipping back the item so I can get my refund?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yg5WH0b.png)
The third option. I was able to get there by going to https://ircalc.usps.com/ and entering my details. I'm not sure if Priority Mail International is enough. I didn't ask. You should call for yourself and ask.
I'm not sure if Priority Mail International is enough.
My experience is that Priority Mail International tracking stops once the package gets to the destination country.
I'm not sure if Priority Mail International is enough.
My experience is that Priority Mail International tracking stops once the package gets to the destination country.
This is correct. There is no proof of delivery, period. If you ship this method, you are risking getting no refund at all.
I'm not sure if Priority Mail International is enough.
My experience is that Priority Mail International tracking stops once the package gets to the destination country.
This is correct. There is no proof of delivery, period. If you ship this method, you are risking getting no refund at all.
Sorry to intervene here but the tracking stops on the seller's country carrier website, and then passes on to the buyers country carrier website. please take this into account as most people simply assume the tracking stops once it leaves their country and this is not true. Just though I would share since I've had this experience.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hdp5VngkejeTHM_U8G2JFJUCGYrsgH_-GX1EmXfHx5g/edit?usp=sharing
Updated
Has anyone from the west coast of the US received their packages from the "sea" mail? I don't have a clue when to expect a package and it's been 3 weeks since he supposedly shipped my goods.
Has anyone from the west coast of the US received their packages from the "sea" mail? I don't have a clue when to expect a package and it's been 3 weeks since he supposedly shipped my goods.
I'm in the exact same position as you. He confirmed to me that it shipped, but provided no tracking. Nothing has arrived (I live in CA). I'll be sure to update this thread if/when I get anything.
Has anyone from the west coast of the US received their packages from the "sea" mail? I don't have a clue when to expect a package and it's been 3 weeks since he supposedly shipped my goods.
I'm in the exact same position as you. He confirmed to me that it shipped, but provided no tracking. Nothing has arrived (I live in CA). I'll be sure to update this thread if/when I get anything.
I got my package on the 14th, which was supposedly sea mail. Also received no tracking, but according to the customs label it was shipped on the 1st.
But I only ordered small things. A keycap set, LEDs, SIP sockets and stabs. Only the keyset and some LEDs I didn't ask for came, though.
I expect it to take a few days to get to the harbor, a week or 2 sitting on the dock, 2 weeks to cross the ocean, another week or 2 sitting on the dock on the West Coast, and another week to cross the country.
Has anyone from the west coast of the US received their packages from the "sea" mail? I don't have a clue when to expect a package and it's been 3 weeks since he supposedly shipped my goods.
All the PayPal disputes are for guys who paid through an invoice right? AFAIK idiots like me who went through gift have no recourse?
now I always send through G&S. If the seller refuses to pay the fees, pony up and pay the 3-4% (whatever it is) yourself.
Well, I still haven't received a package so I guess I'm ****ed. **** you berserk.
Well, I still haven't received a package so I guess I'm ****ed. **** you berserk.
The vast majority of us are still waiting. Singapore Posts gives the average transit time for the sea shipping to my country as 8-15 weeks. So...
Mine says 5-7 weeks, but I don't know exactly when (or if) it was actually posted.
Mine says 5-7 weeks, but I don't know exactly when (or if) it was actually posted.
I think all packages were posted around the same time in the Great Cleanse. Mine was handed over 30/04 and shipped 04/05. Sucks if you don't have tracking though.
A final update from me:
I contacted Paypal about the item being unable to be delivered. The address returned to was the only one Paypal has on file. They told me to just inform USPS to have it returned to me, keep my proof of postage, and they were going to close it in my favor, and I would get a full refund. As I said, I've already received a full refund (from PP and the rebate program) for the postage, so I consider this a win. Hopefully, others will have similar success.
A final update from me:
I contacted Paypal about the item being unable to be delivered. The address returned to was the only one Paypal has on file. They told me to just inform USPS to have it returned to me, keep my proof of postage, and they were going to close it in my favor, and I would get a full refund. As I said, I've already received a full refund (from PP and the rebate program) for the postage, so I consider this a win. Hopefully, others will have similar success.
I also did some quick napkin math to show you all just how massive the fraud is, and how desperately we need good data to get the spreadsheet updated with.
Bezerkfan stole and made away with more than $6,170.50 USD. If we presume an average shipping cost of $30 and the number of received items by box, and 16 received shipments to date, he has spent the grand sum of $480 USD on shipping to unload perhaps $200 of "unk". This means his profitable take based on the evidence at hand is at least $4,690.50 US
There is no proof whatsoever that the Seamail labels he's posted anywhere are not fraudulent or for unrelated shipments. There is nothing whatsoever tying them to a buyer, an item, or even a vague destination. They just say "yep, you shipped something from here."
- Ducky Side Printed keycaps $10 http://imgur.com/Quza3Ec
- Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80 http://imgur.com/5VEWavu PENDING
- WYSE thick keycaps $8-15 http://imgur.com/48oAkGi [/s] PENDING
- 1 x Filco stock keycaps $5 http://imgur.com/5a0mIss
- Grab bags of at least 100 DSA keycaps, mostly red and white blanks but also numpads and novelties $20 http://imgur.com/D73gNWM PENDING
- Cherry Thin PBT – you get 1 set
- Chinese doubleshot keycaps $5 http://imgur.com/DCJITpH http://imgur.com/89xywVB
- 2 x transparent keycaps are $10 for a bag of 40 1u keycaps
- SP DCS random blanks, grab bags of over 250 each. Free.
- C07. Corsair K95, lubed 60g clears, SIP mod Old Glory Theme, $70 http://imgur.com/73pYdb9 http://imgur.com/C1N9OlJ http://imgur.com/Na4yyKE
- C10. Filco MJ1 fullsize, stock clears with new PBT doubleshot keycaps, $70 http://imgur.com/eV9FD6j
Take it with its original (worn) Filco keycaps and no PBT doubleshots, only $50.
And F22. Model M M5-2 with top right hand trackball. FREE http://imgur.com/Xhy0qpr
- New key caps for model M $20
But the REST OF IT, --Rootwyrm,, you did it to your damn self.. and the maliciousness with which you've perpetuated, has TOOK DOWN the numerous better outcomes possible within this deal for Other people..
This whole thing turned out as badly as it did due largely in part to -Rootwyrm's- actions..
And this entire thread has been him throwing fud that Berserk was a scammer..
WHICH HE CLEARLY is NOT...
We all agree Berserk made mistakes, and his attitude about it wasn't the best..
But through most of it, he was still in contact and made attempts to fix things..
--ROOTWYRM-- is the person which ultimately prevented actions on part of Berserk..
By being a belligerent Oaf..
IN SUMMARY, Yes, Berserk fan screwed up..
But the REST OF IT, --Rootwyrm,, you did it to your damn self.. and the maliciousness with which you've perpetuated, has TOOK DOWN the numerous better outcomes possible within this deal for Other people..
By selfishly only looking to preserve your own interests, You diverted other buyer's course and Mobbed up other users unecessarily
You are crummy person.. to say the least.. as terrible as Berserk's attitude..
I would've preferred a more gentile approach, more dialogue and at least for the packages to arrive before the pitchforks came out. But this isn't helping either. Rootwyrm and chuckdee have done a lot to organize the data of who ordered what and provide an overview of the situation and to inform others, they deserve credit for that. Everyone's making the best of a lousy situation the best they know how.
Hello Everyone who bought stuff from me
Sorry for the delay. I am working very long hours now. Looks like I cannot retire peacefully from geekhack as planned.
A good many mistakes were made in the shipping out rush. Wife had to send over 80 packages within a few days and she’s not familiar with the descriptions. (And quite fed up too, so she just stuffed packages with whatever seemed right or approximately the same value.)
At least 1 box went out totally wrong because I earmarked a box for that person’s stuff in March. He changed his orders several times so I procrastinated with packing, took out his granite keycaps, white and green switches, and eventually forgot that box hadn’t been packed. This guy had a big order, and he got 0% of his order. Instead he got only the keyboard kit which had occupied the box all along. He got very low value. Now I have no idea how to send him what he ordered.
I do not know what was sent/ mis-sent to any particular person, and am currently unable to trace where the items he/she purchased were sent. It was a great rush to deal with so many complex and changing orders and I was not the one doing it but unfortunate family members. At least 5 people were still changing their orders on May 3; 3 people hadn’t paid and E3E outright refused to pay last minute after trolling me for a week. Several people threw me their addresses but never paid shipping nor responded to reminders.
There were a number of double-sold items. These tended to be cheap items that I didn’t take heed of, had dubious buyers inquiring about them and taking too long to pay, or which had complications like paypal refunds screwing up my records. The most expensive items like scarface keycaps, 87 key zinc blanks and Model M SSK were never double sold. For the double sold items, wife was supposed to just stuff buyers with unsold things because so many things were marked pending but actually unsold thanks to the usual sleazy dibs callers never coming through with payment.
A number of missent items had the correct buyer labelled. I believe the most constructive solution is to contact the intended recipient and send him/her the stuff. Several people I talked to on PM refused this solution, insisting that I refund them fully + pay for the shipping before they would even contemplate sending the legit buyer his property.
Let’s be realistic about this.
I am now very busy and work 7 days a week. I did not expect to be so ultra busy or I would not have planned my sale at this time. I sold things in a great rush and was under pressure to clear my house as planned. Until now I still have uncollected payments!
I do not have money to refund everyone fully. Nor do I have the desire to. I sold many things at literally pennies on the dollar. I gave away many things. I had a terrible selling experience in April. I wish to just walk away from it all.
Wife is angry at me. I deserve the punishment. And I have long vowed to family that I will stay away from geekhack until house is fixed. With my current skills, house won’t be fixed anytime soon.
My paypal account is currently depleted because I had to pull money asap to pay for shipping. There is no money left. See this negative amount? You can squeeze blood from a stone?
After getting a bunch of unconstructive demands from irate buyers, I’m going to be my usual GutzGrouch self. I’ll tell you all the unvarnished truth.
Most of the costs involved shipping. That gives me little room to refund people for wrongly shipped things.
I do not live hand to mouth, and I certainly can put some money back into paypal account to refund dissatisfied people. But I can’t give everyone a full refund. Simple as that. And we won’t know what everyone got until all sea mail packages arrive. Obviously the people who got the least relative to what they were supposed to get, should get priority.
My original goal to clean out my house has been attained. All remaining keyboard items total less than 1 cubic meter. When I have time I can still go through my remaining stuff to see if there was unsent stuff that people paid for. Some personal stuff and lots of never-sold stuff got sent anyway so some people will get things they did not pay for. Lots of keycaps were used as filler in big boxes. This is especially in the case of my massdrop granite keycaps, which looked very ugly, old and shabby to my wife so she thought they had no value.
Laugh all you want. I am keeping no granites for myself. I even put out a review criticizing them, and directed most prospective buyers to the same review because I didn’t want dissatisfied buyers.
Am currently budgeting $2k USD for various refunds. Money is not going to go out until I get a better picture of what has been sent and who got what. Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
I have good reason to suspect that some people got more, and are either keeping quiet, or else are claiming they got less since it is easier to join the chorus of Gutz-haters.
Some geekhackers are already showing their less attractive side here. 1 guy filed complaint without trying to contact me.
Turns out he received someone’s very substantial shipment. It was wrong, but it wasn’t low value stuff like a keyboard kit. It was almost certainly more than what he paid.
Then he claimed to paypal that I sent him damaged goods. (And admitted in the same complaint that they weren’t damaged, just someone else’s stuff.)
Then tried to sell the expensive keycaps sent to him by mistake, to someone else. That someone else told me. This guy had hidden the fact that wife sent him valuable keycaps.
Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used. If I choose to escalate your complaint to a Return, you are going to have to pay a lot of money to ship stuff back to Singapore before you get refunded. We have shipping invoices that say 5kg and 10kg of ‘keyboards’ and ‘keyboard parts’, so sending me a postcard with a tracking number is going to get you hit with a buyer fraud charge.
I would've preferred a more gentile approach, more dialogue and at least for the packages to arrive before the pitchforks came out. But this isn't helping either. Rootwyrm and chuckdee have done a lot to organize the data of who ordered what and provide an overview of the situation and to inform others, they deserve credit for that. Everyone's making the best of a lousy situation the best they know how.
I'm not going to respond to the slanderous, libelous accusations of a teenage troll. He's not worth my time, and frankly, if his abusive counter-productive ****posting isn't removed, I'm more than happy to walk away from helping anyone. I cannot understand why the mods continue to allow such an obnoxious troll here, but I digress.
But apparently some people are complete morons who refuse to accept the fact that from day one beserkfan made it quite clear that he had absolutely no intention of working with anyone or making the least effort to make things right. Before a single claim was filed. Here's the original post that started this thread as a reminder for those morons.
Okay. After wait for the 2 days for the response from Berserkfan.I almost flipped myself and hoping that what you had received is not mine when you said that you received 2 IBM boards
I got the package on 30th May.
Here is what I ordered.Quote- Ducky Side Printed keycaps $10 http://imgur.com/Quza3Ec
- Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80 http://imgur.com/5VEWavu PENDING
- WYSE thick keycaps $8-15 http://imgur.com/48oAkGi [/s] PENDING
- 1 x Filco stock keycaps $5 http://imgur.com/5a0mIss
- Grab bags of at least 100 DSA keycaps, mostly red and white blanks but also numpads and novelties $20 http://imgur.com/D73gNWM PENDING
- Cherry Thin PBT – you get 1 set
- Chinese doubleshot keycaps $5 http://imgur.com/DCJITpH http://imgur.com/89xywVB
- 2 x transparent keycaps are $10 for a bag of 40 1u keycaps
- SP DCS random blanks, grab bags of over 250 each. Free.
- C07. Corsair K95, lubed 60g clears, SIP mod Old Glory Theme, $70 http://imgur.com/73pYdb9 http://imgur.com/C1N9OlJ http://imgur.com/Na4yyKE
- C10. Filco MJ1 fullsize, stock clears with new PBT doubleshot keycaps, $70 http://imgur.com/eV9FD6j
Take it with its original (worn) Filco keycaps and no PBT doubleshots, only $50.
And F22. Model M M5-2 with top right hand trackball. FREE http://imgur.com/Xhy0qpr
- New key caps for model M $20
Just to be honest. At first I was very excited since the package I got is around 9kgs and when I was talk to berserkfan
He said my package would weight around 10 so I actually though I will get what I really order.
But just like others. Not a single one is correct.
I got 2 ibm keyboards, 1 frame for the keyboard, and 2 bags of keycaps.
I tried contact him right away after I got the package. But no respond since.
Here are the pic
http://imgur.com/a/JezD5
But apparently some people are complete morons who refuse to accept the fact that from day one beserkfan made it quite clear that he had absolutely no intention of working with anyone or making the least effort to make things right. Before a single claim was filed. Here's the original post that started this thread as a reminder for those morons.
Though I mean every word of it..
Better still, go join Gutz in whatever hidey-hole he's gone to that apparently lacks any internet access whatsoever.
And Sky was a big part of helping too. So thanks to him and Root. Do I disagree with some of what was said? Yes. But I'm more willing to give allowances to them for putting in the work to at least try to get SOMETHING out of this ****show.
And regarding your personal case --chuckdee-- .. WTF, what the heck are you expecting, when ONLY very few packages have arrived..
How much could Berserk really organize at the point you all filed against him, when there was so little information in the chain about what went where...
And regarding your personal case --chuckdee-- .. WTF, what the heck are you expecting, when ONLY very few packages have arrived..
How much could Berserk really organize at the point you all filed against him, when there was so little information in the chain about what went where...
I expected him to man the **** up. That's not too much to ask. You don't even know the intricacies of what was done. I filed. After he didn't respond. Then I escalated. After he didn't respond. I could post the whole transcript, and that would shut you up. Because it clearly shows that I treated him like a mistake had been made, and made reasonable claims. And never yelled at him. What I quoted before? That was the whole of my question. Do you see any yelling?
Again, are you a claimant? If not, then quit victim blaming and covering.
A simple, "I ****ed up", not blaming anyone else, would have gone quite far. How much does it take to say, my bad, my fault, and take blame? Can you answer that?
How good of a negotiator do you have to be to say, "I ****ed up"?A simple, "I ****ed up", not blaming anyone else, would have gone quite far. How much does it take to say, my bad, my fault, and take blame? Can you answer that?Look chuck, you have to understand, some people are very poor-negotiators..
I'm not saying you personally yelled at him through your private conversations.But you did say exactly that. Words mean things. And I never said that he started out as a scammer. Just that he ****ed up. And he's never owned that. Owning that it was entirely his fault would mitigate a lot of this.
But much of this thread is clearly very insulting and imprecise as to where the faults are.
That possibility was thwarted by the over-reaction which took place beginning with rootwyrm and the rest of the mob..
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There is no dispute that mistakes were made..
But statements such as Berserk is a scammer is untrue.. along with -Rootwyrm's- napkin math about how much money Berserk has made off with.. Berserk has made NO money in this, and Now he's also most likely lost much of the inventory
Berserk was indeed planning for a fix, why else was he budgeting the $2000 while he was already negative $900..
The fact is, you guys jumped the gun.
Berserk was merely not responding to all the fud that was happening.. because anything he responds to would've been pointless at that point anyway, when not all the packages arrived..
The timing makes a huge difference.... You are faulting him for scamming, while he was merely holding back on Pointless - Communication..
In retrospect, Possibly better talk would've calmed the alarmists, but he could not have known the reaction would be so irreparable..
As for the fix, AT NO POINT was he saying NOTHING-AT-ALL will be done.. he was saying in his way that a fix will come, it is happening, but it will likely not please everyone, because some parts of the logistics is untrack-able..
Every post he's made, he has mentioned only that SOME people will be screwed regardless, because due to that logistics problem.. and that he will fix as much as he could..
That language has been completely altered into, Berserk has abandoned us completely, and nothing will be done.. WHICH WAS NOT the case..
I see that you didn't read my post at all. I received my rectification. So having this conversation with someone who clearly has his heels dug in, no matter what he doesn't know, and no matter that he has no involvement serves no purpose.
I'll repeat one last time. I got my package early. I had a timetable that I had to file in. He was completely non-responsive. There were no threads, and nothing about a mass wrong being done at the time I sent him the question. There is also the idea of the multiple selling of the same item. He never said it was his fault. He even threw his wife under the bus. What would he do to me? Especially when he wasn't answering. I don't care the reasons. I made an individual transaction with him. And he was not prepared to even answer anything about a plan.
And he said that he had no intent of refunding or repairing all of the damage- in his own words, posted without alteration above.
I didn't jump the gun, but you're welcome to believe what you will. You still haven't even answered where you're getting your counter claims from.
Oh well, whatever. I'm done giving mindshare to this mess. Be well, and have a nice day.
I see that you didn't read my post at all. I received my rectification. So having this conversation with someone who clearly has his heels dug in, no matter what he doesn't know, and no matter that he has no involvement serves no purpose.
I'll repeat one last time. I got my package early. I had a timetable that I had to file in. He was completely non-responsive. There were no threads, and nothing about a mass wrong being done at the time I sent him the question. There is also the idea of the multiple selling of the same item. He never said it was his fault. He even threw his wife under the bus. What would he do to me? Especially when he wasn't answering. I don't care the reasons. I made an individual transaction with him. And he was not prepared to even answer anything about a plan.
And he said that he had no intent of refunding or repairing all of the damage- in his own words, posted without alteration above.
I didn't jump the gun, but you're welcome to believe what you will. You still haven't even answered where you're getting your counter claims from.
Oh well, whatever. I'm done giving mindshare to this mess. Be well, and have a nice day.
Berserk was going for a fix, he said so..
He only alluded to the fact that, he couldn't fix ALL OF IT.. because not everyone who got a better deal from the mistake will step forward..
THAT was the fact.. At the point when you received your package , nothing could be done , regardless of what he said.. because he doesn't know where your stuff was..
He could not have begun the refund process at that point, because again, there's a limit on the budget (generous $2000) for the refund process.. He's not a millionaire who could wave money at problems.
You and many others jumped the gun by filing... which gave him little wiggle room to recoup at least some transactions between buyers and settle things amicably..
At this point, it's been over a month since the payment was made. I had no more time. Just wanted to make sure I cleared up your misconceptions. And something could have been done. He could have said that it was his fault and he was going to make it right. Again, you gloss over posts to make your own points. And 2k isn't generous when he cleared more than that. Did he ever contact ANYONE to say that his shipping estimate was wrong? Can you answer that?
But apparently some people are complete morons who refuse to accept the fact that from day one beserkfan made it quite clear that he had absolutely no intention of working with anyone or making the least effort to make things right. Before a single claim was filed. Here's the original post that started this thread as a reminder for those morons.
Yes all true. But someone posting a rant in a stressful situation isn't necessarily how they will feel forever.
I have on occasion been called hopelessly naive though, so there's that. :))
Oh well, could be another month or longer before mysecret santaorder arrives. :rolleyes:
tp4tissue, you're making this worse. Please stop crapping the thread. This is between the customers and berserkfan. If people want to file claims, let PayPal (or other money transfer service) decide if the refund is warranted. The fact is items were double sold, incorrect items were shipped, and money was not refunded. End of story.
--rootwyrm-- and various others bent the words to suit their paypal defense claim..
--rootwyrm-- and various others bent the words to suit their paypal defense claim..
They had no reason to. All I showed them was that I had not received what I ordered. That was enough.
So why would they do that?
And calling people liars? Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing us of?
Things that make you go "hmmm..."
Everything tp4tissue has complained about has been addressed in my post. Ignore him, just get off of GH for the day and do something else.
As far as I'm concerned, he's similar to the individual which started the mess: All talk, zero action. He's not been a part of the whole affair, nor is he affected. Most importantly, however, is that somehow he's gone out of his way to use the most ridiculous style of formatting he can find with different sized fonts and stylised highlights which is a moderate eye-sore... But that's a different issue altogether.
Will check in later on in the week, and touch base with the happenings in Singapore.
You guys can pat yourself on the back all you like, that is fine..
But if any of you decide to lie and falsely accuse another geekhack member of an intentional scam..
Tp4 will defend that person..
You guys can pat yourself on the back all you like, that is fine..
But if any of you decide to lie and falsely accuse another geekhack member of an intentional scam..
Tp4 will defend that person..
Well, defend us. From YOU! Because you're lying and falsely accusing us of having any motive other than getting our money back. So I wait to hear your defense arguments to defend us from you. :))
You guys can pat yourself on the back all you like, that is fine..
But if any of you decide to lie and falsely accuse another geekhack member of an intentional scam..
Tp4 will defend that person..
Well, defend us. From YOU! Because you're lying and falsely accusing us of having any motive other than getting our money back. So I wait to hear your defense arguments to defend us from you. :))
I have said nothing to impede you guys from getting your money back.
That money you have a title to.
You DO NOT have the right to throw insults, to chastise, to belittle, to condemn..
Together many of you have chosen the worst of ways to express your discontent....
Berserkfan has done some-things, but NOT others..
I am speaking on behalf of the Other.. Your lies.
Still calling me a liar. Tsk. Tsk. First you say that I yelled at him. Then you said that I didn't. Then you said that what I said was truth. Now you say that I'm a liar. Why not just stop, instead of digging your hole for someone else?
Still calling me a liar. Tsk. Tsk. First you say that I yelled at him. Then you said that I didn't. Then you said that what I said was truth. Now you say that I'm a liar. Why not just stop, instead of digging your hole for someone else?
My posts were about the situation in general. If you did not say some of the things, then sections of my comment may not apply to you personally.
Taking them as personal was your prerogative.
That does not alter the malevolent tone and direction of this thread's content thus far..
That direction and inaccurate information is the problem..
Still calling me a liar. Tsk. Tsk. First you say that I yelled at him. Then you said that I didn't. Then you said that what I said was truth. Now you say that I'm a liar. Why not just stop, instead of digging your hole for someone else?
My posts were about the situation in general. If you did not say some of the things, then sections of my comment may not apply to you personally.
Taking them as personal was your prerogative.
That does not alter the malevolent tone and direction of this thread's content thus far..
That direction and inaccurate information is the problem..
Maybe you don't understand how articles work, since you refer to yourself in different persons. If you say you lied, when responding to me, then you're talking to me. If you say, and I quote, You DO NOT have the right to throw insults, to chastise, to belittle, to condemn.. when talking to me, then you're saying it to me. You've done both of those. Perhaps you need to rephrase, if you don't want it to be taken that way. Or better yet, stop thread crapping. I've done the same in effect, trying to respond to you. So, for that, I apologize, and I'm done.
Still calling me a liar. Tsk. Tsk. First you say that I yelled at him. Then you said that I didn't. Then you said that what I said was truth. Now you say that I'm a liar. Why not just stop, instead of digging your hole for someone else?
My posts were about the situation in general. If you did not say some of the things, then sections of my comment may not apply to you personally.
Taking them as personal was your prerogative.
That does not alter the malevolent tone and direction of this thread's content thus far..
That direction and inaccurate information is the problem..
Maybe you don't understand how articles work, since you refer to yourself in different persons. If you say you lied, when responding to me, then you're talking to me. If you say, and I quote, You DO NOT have the right to throw insults, to chastise, to belittle, to condemn.. when talking to me, then you're saying it to me. You've done both of those. Perhaps you need to rephrase, if you don't want it to be taken that way. Or better yet, stop thread crapping. I've done the same in effect, trying to respond to you. So, for that, I apologize, and I'm done.
Why are you arguing grammar with me..
I am merely pointing out and making clear of the situation for those involved..
That there is hope of resolution, that this was NOT a scam, and that they can patiently wait for their packages with peace of mind if they have not received it.
You've taken my words as personal insults, again if they do not apply to you personally, move on..
I did not know who you were until today.. But Berserk fan has been around the forum for a long time.. and he has had numerous sales and deals go through fine.. he is NOT a scammer... I am making sure people know that..
That is the purpose of my continued defense..
The crew you're currently rolling with are generating false information, scaring people.
You are indirectly part of the problem..
The "mob" is just people trying to sort out the huge mess that was the result of Berserkfan's carelessness. And playing the obnoxious white knight won't exactly be helpful in this regard.
Ivannovich was another guy with good reputation and a very long standing at GH that, at the end, was involved in a huge fraud; therefore, good reputation alone is not enough to support an statement in favor of Berserkfan; also, this thread is about sharing information in look for favorable resolutions for most of the people involved in the problem. If you want to defend the OP open your own thread.
I think everyone gets your point tp. you're just sounding like a broken record now.
Ivannovich was another guy with good reputation and a very long standing at GH that, at the end, was involved in a huge fraud; therefore, good reputation alone is not enough to support an statement in favor of Berserkfan; also, this thread is about sharing information in look for favorable resolutions for most of the people involved in the problem. If you want to defend the OP open your own thread.
This situation is completely different from Ivan, Ivan bolted with NOTHING delivered..
Berserkfan was PUSHED OUT before he could properly tune and fix the situation.. In the end, He did ship all of the stuff promised, though yes, to the wrong addresses...
My defense for Berserkfan Has to go in this thread..
There are still people waiting for packages.. and if anything, the aim of making sure the correct information is in place is as much for Berserk as those people who may be fearful that they won't get anything at all, and have been intentionally tricked..
That is not the case.. There were mistakes made, but no trick...
I think everyone gets your point tp. you're just sounding like a broken record now.
Tp4 is right. You guys have torn into Gutz alot sooner and alot more than was necessary. Only about 20% of the packages have been delivered, yes, sure he ****ed up. But so did the angry mob. He is already out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, and He stated that he was prepared to use 2000$ of his OWN money to make this right. no scammer would do this. I have chosen to reserve judgement until I recieve my package, But Gutz is anything but a scammer. Im 300$ into this and I really want to get what I ordered, but if I dont, I would choose to settle it civilly with other members and try to get everyone what they ordered, not start a ****storm. Come on guys, Im 16 and handling this more maturely than many of you. I believe Gutz went into this with the best of intentions and it just ****ed up. He is under a huge amount of stress. Cut him a break and quit rousing the mob.
Ultimatum, if folks want to ****post and make accusations or twist our intentions, I'll gladly delete everything and someone else can start from scratch.
Ultimatum, if folks want to ****post and make accusations or twist our intentions, I'll gladly delete everything and someone else can start from scratch.
Please don't do that.
Your spreadsheet is the only road map available to whoever might try to put part of the jigsaw puzzle back together during the next couple of months.
Ivannovich was another guy with good reputation and a very long standing at GH that, at the end, was involved in a huge fraud; therefore, good reputation alone is not enough to support an statement in favor of Berserkfan; also, this thread is about sharing information in look for favorable resolutions for most of the people involved in the problem. If you want to defend the OP open your own thread.
This situation is completely different from Ivan, Ivan bolted with NOTHING delivered..
Berserkfan was PUSHED OUT before he could properly tune and fix the situation.. In the end, He did ship all of the stuff promised, though yes, to the wrong addresses...
My defense for Berserkfan Has to go in this thread..
There are still people waiting for packages.. and if anything, the aim of making sure the correct information is in place is as much for Berserk as those people who may be fearful that they won't get anything at all, and have been intentionally tricked..
That is not the case.. There were mistakes made, but no trick...
Then, as I said: take it up with the moderation team who has decided they will permit and essentially endorse the behavior leading us to this decision, by leaving the abusive and deliberately misleading posts up and declining to take action against the people who posted them.
The moderation team is fully aware that we are more than prepared to walk away due to their decisions, and they are fully aware of the problems they have created. All responsibility lays with them at this point.
Then, as I said: take it up with the moderation team who has decided they will permit and essentially endorse the behavior leading us to this decision, by leaving the abusive and deliberately misleading posts up and declining to take action against the people who posted them.
The moderation team is fully aware that we are more than prepared to walk away due to their decisions, and they are fully aware of the problems they have created. All responsibility lays with them at this point.
The mods muted tp4tissue, but they should take action against berserkfan, too.
Then, as I said: take it up with the moderation team who has decided they will permit and essentially endorse the behavior leading us to this decision, by leaving the abusive and deliberately misleading posts up and declining to take action against the people who posted them.
The moderation team is fully aware that we are more than prepared to walk away due to their decisions, and they are fully aware of the problems they have created. All responsibility lays with them at this point.
The mods muted tp4tissue, but they should take action against berserkfan, too.
I hope they leave berserkfan's account alone, as I would love for him to speak up here when and if he ever chose to do so.
Ultimatum, if folks want to ****post and make accusations or twist our intentions, I'll gladly delete everything and someone else can start from scratch.
Please don't do that.
Your spreadsheet is the only road map available to whoever might try to put part of the jigsaw puzzle back together during the next couple of months.
A little late on this, but I'm pretty sure reddit is just mostly noobies afraid to post over here, not some forum equivalent of Australia where rulebreakers get sentenced to.
(Ripster aside, obviously)
You can say about Reddit what you want, threads like these are why I'm mostly there and not here.
A little late on this, but I'm pretty sure reddit is just mostly noobies afraid to post over here, not some forum equivalent of Australia where rulebreakers get sentenced to.
(Ripster aside, obviously)You can say about Reddit what you want, threads like these are why I'm mostly there and not here.
This mythical Reddit place you speak of - I landed there once upon a time by accident.
Some guy had bought a stock Pok3r, slapped some Vortex shinethrough PBTs on it, posted pics and called it his endgame. Several others came in to congratulate him.
I never went back.
This mythical Reddit place you speak of - I landed there once upon a time by accident.
Some guy had bought a stock Pok3r, slapped some Vortex shinethrough PBTs on it, posted pics and called it his endgame. Several others came in to congratulate him.
I never went back.
I'm located in Belgium aswell. Good to know mine will (hopefully) arrive soon aswell. As far as BE customs go after the attack, my HHKB from japan was out of customs in 1 day but some keycaps from NA were held for 2 weeks.
damn, i got lucky my massdrop realforce didn't even get stopped by customs. How much customs did you have to pay for that plank?
Yeah i just got an update. My package is being held by Belgian customs aswell.
Keep me posted. Come July I'll be making another sheet for redistribution.
1. Cherry WOB Doubleshot Grab Bags $30
2. Tai Hao sets yellow and red, $16
3. Filco stock keycaps 1 set $5
4. DSA Keycaps - everything for $20 (i see this in your docs. pls don't sold out lol if this are sold out i need to make changes again)
+ a SP bumblebee (i've found this item, just waiting for poog to ship it to me
my package arrived. it's wrong item, as expected :-XIf I remember correctly no one picked up any of the ortholinear stuff except me but that isn't mine.
what i ordered: bunch of keycapsQuote1. Cherry WOB Doubleshot Grab Bags $30
2. Tai Hao sets yellow and red, $16
3. Filco stock keycaps 1 set $5
4. DSA Keycaps - everything for $20 (i see this in your docs. pls don't sold out lol if this are sold out i need to make changes again)
+ a SP bumblebee (i've found this item, just waiting for poog to ship it to me
what i got:
a Cherry G80 - 1950. majority of the keys have no stem and switch for it. the other have cherry MX brown switch. and a few of relegendable keycaps for it, but without its transparent plastic (really gutz????)
well.. is there anyone who ordered this?
*pic later, uploadingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GH444wJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzDnbCk.jpg)
*edit: uploaded
if you were right, so this is one of those randomly sent things then...my package arrived. it's wrong item, as expected :-XIf I remember correctly no one picked up any of the ortholinear stuff except me but that isn't mine.
what i ordered: bunch of keycapsQuote1. Cherry WOB Doubleshot Grab Bags $30
2. Tai Hao sets yellow and red, $16
3. Filco stock keycaps 1 set $5
4. DSA Keycaps - everything for $20 (i see this in your docs. pls don't sold out lol if this are sold out i need to make changes again)
+ a SP bumblebee (i've found this item, just waiting for poog to ship it to me
what i got:
a Cherry G80 - 1950. majority of the keys have no stem and switch for it. the other have cherry MX brown switch. and a few of relegendable keycaps for it, but without its transparent plastic (really gutz????)
well.. is there anyone who ordered this?
*pic later, uploadingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GH444wJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzDnbCk.jpg)
*edit: uploaded
my package arrived. it's wrong item, as expected :-XIf I remember correctly no one picked up any of the ortholinear stuff except me but that isn't mine.
what i ordered: bunch of keycapsQuote1. Cherry WOB Doubleshot Grab Bags $30
2. Tai Hao sets yellow and red, $16
3. Filco stock keycaps 1 set $5
4. DSA Keycaps - everything for $20 (i see this in your docs. pls don't sold out lol if this are sold out i need to make changes again)
+ a SP bumblebee (i've found this item, just waiting for poog to ship it to me
what i got:
a Cherry G80 - 1950. majority of the keys have no stem and switch for it. the other have cherry MX brown switch. and a few of relegendable keycaps for it, but without its transparent plastic (really gutz????)
well.. is there anyone who ordered this?
*pic later, uploadingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GH444wJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzDnbCk.jpg)
*edit: uploaded
update: i think what happened was that instead of doing in a 10kg box like i thought he would, he shipped the xt portable and keycaps separately, so i am still waiting for one last board. will upload pics for documentation later
What ortholinear stuff did you pick up? I got a bunch of things back in Singapore, I can confirm it after the 25th when my family flies in.
What ortholinear stuff did you pick up? I got a bunch of things back in Singapore, I can confirm it after the 25th when my family flies in.
I got both Cherry RC128BM's. One was sip modded and plate modded without switches. The other was stock.
I'll consider that a good sign. Hopefully they can provide screenshots
I'll consider that a good sign. Hopefully they can provide screenshots
I think July will be a good cut off date - by then most things would have had over 6 weeks to ship. Anything else that hasn't turned up probably wont. Furthermore, if in the cases where it's held by customs, hopefully your country is civilised enough to send you a message. Come July I will be uploading a new matrix and try to get folks connected with each other for potential shipping.
album for proof
https://sli.mg/a/CPBcx0
Still nothing here.
Although if packages have started arriving in NSW and if they were all posted around the same time then maybe soon.
Still nothing here.
Although if packages have started arriving in NSW and if they were all posted around the same time then maybe soon.
Where is NSW?
Where is NSW?
Where is NSW?
Nothing of the ordered stuff was received.
I'm still missing a teensied IBM keypad, a teensy, solder tin, green dyed Buckling Spring caps and Green on White Buckling spring caps...
Just in case someone stumbled upon anything of this. :c
Tp got muted??
Tp got muted??
what happened this time?
what happened this time?
tp got muted apparently
Nothing to do with the case, but just so you know Seamail is expected to take 1-3 months in my use of such a shipping option just to give you all some sort of perspective on how long it might take to arrive.
F18 IBM 6112883 SKCC Green Alps T-mount (Japanese) Free
F37 Model M13 Trackpoint black. Keycaps mint! $80
P09 Filco MJ1 TKL kit. $30
Cyan on White thick PBT dyesubs $20
Filco TKL ANSI set $5
Teensy 2.0 no pins $14
1 Costar Stabilizers set $10 per set.
Sorry I had to post this in a hurry, but can someone post me the google docs or sheet of these purchases? I think I got someone else's package arrived.
Sorry I had to post this in a hurry, but can someone post me the google docs or sheet of these purchases? I think I got someone else's package arrived.
here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hdp5VngkejeTHM_U8G2JFJUCGYrsgH_-GX1EmXfHx5g/edit#gid=1625914025). What did you get ?
So finally got my box.
after doing some research on the spreadsheet, i just found something interesting.
it seems that the thing i received earlier are Geniekid's . he's the only one who ordered that 1950 from that thread..
genie, if you're reading this, YGPM.
Crap on a crutch, I can't even match that one to the sheet. It is definitly not any of the other XTs he listed or that were sold. F01-F03 were portable, two were Teensied with USB. F04-F07 were all teensied as well. The only one not teensied was the F08 "project and parts" board with a listed value of $0.
Sorry I had to post this in a hurry, but can someone post me the google docs or sheet of these purchases? I think I got someone else's package arrived.
here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hdp5VngkejeTHM_U8G2JFJUCGYrsgH_-GX1EmXfHx5g/edit#gid=1625914025). What did you get ?
Thanks. but I can't found anyone who ordered these packages. Here is what I have:
1. Deck Keyboard with keycaps
2. Deko Keyboard
3. MX8100 case and pcb
4. G80-3000 case and pcb
5. Tipro keyboards
Completely random. I figured I'd at least get the IBM 6112883 SKCC Green Alps he was giving away as a freeby, but nope. Still can't figure out how one can ship out random stuff like that.
If you're in the US and haven't been contacted directly by customs and you haven't received your order?
If you're in the US and haven't been contacted directly by customs and you haven't received your order?
I am in the US and I have never been contacted directly by customs in my life.
Do they send you a post card or something?
If you're in the US and haven't been contacted directly by customs and you haven't received your order?
I am in the US and I have never been contacted directly by customs in my life.
Do they send you a post card or something?
just got a letter from BE customs i have to tell them the value of the package lol. Too bad i have no idea what it is worth since i've seen the keycaps i've bought pop up in other peoples posts.
I have received a package. Not what I was expecting, but then what was I really expecting, the way this has turned out?
By the note that was included, looks like it was supposed to go to someone on DT called Broadmonkey in Denmark. Can't get much further off the mark, berserkfan.
I ordered and paid for: a set of black on yellow PBT Ducky keycaps.
I received: a programmable numeric keypad (with Cherry MX brown switches) and a small assortment of relegendable keycaps, presumably to suit the numpad.
it is impossible to believe that ANY of the 'high dollar' items shipped at all.
I have received a package. Not what I was expecting, but then what was I really expecting, the way this has turned out?
By the note that was included, looks like it was supposed to go to someone on DT called Broadmonkey in Denmark. Can't get much further off the mark, berserkfan.
I ordered and paid for: a set of black on yellow PBT Ducky keycaps.
I received: a programmable numeric keypad (with Cherry MX brown switches) and a small assortment of relegendable keycaps, presumably to suit the numpad.
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The "last seen" date on Berserkfan's profile page keeps updating, so I assume he's still around but lurking not posting. I wish if there is an explanation he would join the conversation.
Hello Everyone who bought stuff from me
Sorry for the delay. I am working very long hours now. Looks like I cannot retire peacefully from geekhack as planned.
A good many mistakes were made in the shipping out rush. Wife had to send over 80 packages within a few days and she’s not familiar with the descriptions. (And quite fed up too, so she just stuffed packages with whatever seemed right or approximately the same value.)
At least 1 box went out totally wrong because I earmarked a box for that person’s stuff in March. He changed his orders several times so I procrastinated with packing, took out his granite keycaps, white and green switches, and eventually forgot that box hadn’t been packed. This guy had a big order, and he got 0% of his order. Instead he got only the keyboard kit which had occupied the box all along. He got very low value. Now I have no idea how to send him what he ordered.
I do not know what was sent/ mis-sent to any particular person, and am currently unable to trace where the items he/she purchased were sent. It was a great rush to deal with so many complex and changing orders and I was not the one doing it but unfortunate family members. At least 5 people were still changing their orders on May 3; 3 people hadn’t paid and E3E outright refused to pay last minute after trolling me for a week. Several people threw me their addresses but never paid shipping nor responded to reminders.
There were a number of double-sold items. These tended to be cheap items that I didn’t take heed of, had dubious buyers inquiring about them and taking too long to pay, or which had complications like paypal refunds screwing up my records. The most expensive items like scarface keycaps, 87 key zinc blanks and Model M SSK were never double sold. For the double sold items, wife was supposed to just stuff buyers with unsold things because so many things were marked pending but actually unsold thanks to the usual sleazy dibs callers never coming through with payment.
A number of missent items had the correct buyer labelled. I believe the most constructive solution is to contact the intended recipient and send him/her the stuff. Several people I talked to on PM refused this solution, insisting that I refund them fully + pay for the shipping before they would even contemplate sending the legit buyer his property.
Let’s be realistic about this.
I am now very busy and work 7 days a week. I did not expect to be so ultra busy or I would not have planned my sale at this time. I sold things in a great rush and was under pressure to clear my house as planned. Until now I still have uncollected payments!
I do not have money to refund everyone fully. Nor do I have the desire to. I sold many things at literally pennies on the dollar. I gave away many things. I had a terrible selling experience in April. I wish to just walk away from it all.
Wife is angry at me. I deserve the punishment. And I have long vowed to family that I will stay away from geekhack until house is fixed. With my current skills, house won’t be fixed anytime soon.
My paypal account is currently depleted because I had to pull money asap to pay for shipping. There is no money left. See this negative amount? You can squeeze blood from a stone?
After getting a bunch of unconstructive demands from irate buyers, I’m going to be my usual GutzGrouch self. I’ll tell you all the unvarnished truth.
Most of the costs involved shipping. That gives me little room to refund people for wrongly shipped things.
I do not live hand to mouth, and I certainly can put some money back into paypal account to refund dissatisfied people. But I can’t give everyone a full refund. Simple as that. And we won’t know what everyone got until all sea mail packages arrive. Obviously the people who got the least relative to what they were supposed to get, should get priority.
My original goal to clean out my house has been attained. All remaining keyboard items total less than 1 cubic meter. When I have time I can still go through my remaining stuff to see if there was unsent stuff that people paid for. Some personal stuff and lots of never-sold stuff got sent anyway so some people will get things they did not pay for. Lots of keycaps were used as filler in big boxes. This is especially in the case of my massdrop granite keycaps, which looked very ugly, old and shabby to my wife so she thought they had no value.
Laugh all you want. I am keeping no granites for myself. I even put out a review criticizing them, and directed most prospective buyers to the same review because I didn’t want dissatisfied buyers.
Am currently budgeting $2k USD for various refunds. Money is not going to go out until I get a better picture of what has been sent and who got what. Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.
I have good reason to suspect that some people got more, and are either keeping quiet, or else are claiming they got less since it is easier to join the chorus of Gutz-haters.
Some geekhackers are already showing their less attractive side here. 1 guy filed complaint without trying to contact me.
Turns out he received someone’s very substantial shipment. It was wrong, but it wasn’t low value stuff like a keyboard kit. It was almost certainly more than what he paid.
Then he claimed to paypal that I sent him damaged goods. (And admitted in the same complaint that they weren’t damaged, just someone else’s stuff.)
Then tried to sell the expensive keycaps sent to him by mistake, to someone else. That someone else told me. This guy had hidden the fact that wife sent him valuable keycaps.
Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used. If I choose to escalate your complaint to a Return, you are going to have to pay a lot of money to ship stuff back to Singapore before you get refunded. We have shipping invoices that say 5kg and 10kg of ‘keyboards’ and ‘keyboard parts’, so sending me a postcard with a tracking number is going to get you hit with a buyer fraud charge.
I have received a package. Not what I was expecting, but then what was I really expecting, the way this has turned out?
By the note that was included, looks like it was supposed to go to someone on DT called Broadmonkey in Denmark. Can't get much further off the mark, berserkfan.
I ordered and paid for: a set of black on yellow PBT Ducky keycaps.
I received: a programmable numeric keypad (with Cherry MX brown switches) and a small assortment of relegendable keycaps, presumably to suit the numpad.
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I have to show the customs proof of my payment. Which was 150 euro. The tax in BE is 32 euro standard + 21% of what was paid. I'm just going to leave the package at the customs. Don't feel like paying an extra 63 euro for probably some cheap keycaps and diodes. I'll take this as a 150 euro lesson to be more careful when buying online next time. Pce out.
I have to show the customs proof of my payment. Which was 150 euro. The tax in BE is 32 euro standard + 21% of what was paid. I'm just going to leave the package at the customs. Don't feel like paying an extra 63 euro for probably some cheap keycaps and diodes. I'll take this as a 150 euro lesson to be more careful when buying online next time. Pce out.
the receipt probably needs to have the date and location where it was paid to
I'm just going to leave the package at the customs.
I have received a package. Not what I was expecting, but then what was I really expecting, the way this has turned out?
By the note that was included, looks like it was supposed to go to someone on DT called Broadmonkey in Denmark. Can't get much further off the mark, berserkfan.
I ordered and paid for: a set of black on yellow PBT Ducky keycaps.
I received: a programmable numeric keypad (with Cherry MX brown switches) and a small assortment of relegendable keycaps, presumably to suit the numpad.
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The interesting thing about this is the paypal refund on the note. That tells me the package was sent after everything went to ****.
I have to show the customs proof of my payment.
I have received a package. Not what I was expecting, but then what was I really expecting, the way this has turned out?
By the note that was included, looks like it was supposed to go to someone on DT called Broadmonkey in Denmark. Can't get much further off the mark, berserkfan.
I ordered and paid for: a set of black on yellow PBT Ducky keycaps.
I received: a programmable numeric keypad (with Cherry MX brown switches) and a small assortment of relegendable keycaps, presumably to suit the numpad.
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The interesting thing about this is the paypal refund on the note. That tells me the package was sent after everything went to ****.
I should probably clear up my interaction with berserkfan.
Back in February, I bought a DSA Granite numpad keycaps from him. The set was damaged when I got it, because the package had been too tight around the keycaps (PBT does not like that at all, it shatters!).
Berserkfan had a spare set he would send me. I agreed I could wait until he had sold more of his items, so he could ship it in one go.
Later I also bought a Goldtouch numpad from him, which he refunded when he refunded everyone.
I told him I still wanted to buy it, he sent me the new details on payment, but I never got around to pay it before the deadline (the day he told me he would ship everything). I didn't pay because fees this time was much higher, so I had to mull it over... and then I totally forgot about it untill about ten days after the deadline.
I asked him about the status, and if he had shipped everything. Hoping he had either shipped my replacement Granite numpad set, or that I could still pay for the numpad and have both shipped to me.
I guess he did ship it to me, although nothing of what I can see Rowdy got, is what I had initially paid for.
I had nothing but good communication with him, and I still think he is an honest man... Something just went completely fubar for him I guess.
I have to show the customs proof of my payment. Which was 150 euro. The tax in BE is 32 euro standard + 21% of what was paid. I'm just going to leave the package at the customs. Don't feel like paying an extra 63 euro for probably some cheap keycaps and diodes. I'll take this as a 150 euro lesson to be more careful when buying online next time. Pce out.
My apologies if it offends you but do you really think my data will be this significant for you? I paid shipping for a small package. The package will have small stuff in it. The previous posts have shown that small stuff will most likely be rubbish and the keycaps i paid for have been received by other people. What are you expecting to find in my package that will change your view on this situation? I won't find what i paid for so being able to add one correct order to you data sheet is not going happen. I don't have a large package so getting a valuable item is most likely not going to happen. I already lost 150 euro i don't feel like losing another 60 just to lay another piece of your 200 piece puzzle that has 100 pieces missing and will never be found again. We won't even be able to make half of the puzzle so me not laying my one piece for the price of 63 euro is more than reasonable imo.
Have... you seen the past 9 pages?
"I had nothing but good communication with him, and I still think he is an honest man... "
Anecdotal evidence is a horrible way to measure a situation. A single patch of unburned grass in a forest ravaged by fire doesn't make the fire starter innocent.
I already lost 150 euro i don't feel like losing another 60 just to lay another piece of your 200 piece puzzle that has 100 pieces missing and will never be found again. We won't even be able to make half of the puzzle so me not laying my one piece for the price of 63 euro is more than reasonable imo.
What are we doing about getting packages to the rightful owners?
I'm not holding out much hope for what I ordered - I know at least one other person bought the same set :rolleyes:
I'll consider that a good sign. Hopefully they can provide screenshots
I think July will be a good cut off date - by then most things would have had over 6 weeks to ship. Anything else that hasn't turned up probably wont. Furthermore, if in the cases where it's held by customs, hopefully your country is civilised enough to send you a message. Come July I will be uploading a new matrix and try to get folks connected with each other for potential shipping.
What are we doing about getting packages to the rightful owners?
I'm not holding out much hope for what I ordered - I know at least one other person bought the same set :rolleyes:I'll consider that a good sign. Hopefully they can provide screenshots
I think July will be a good cut off date - by then most things would have had over 6 weeks to ship. Anything else that hasn't turned up probably wont. Furthermore, if in the cases where it's held by customs, hopefully your country is civilised enough to send you a message. Come July I will be uploading a new matrix and try to get folks connected with each other for potential shipping.
What are we doing about getting packages to the rightful owners?
I'm not holding out much hope for what I ordered - I know at least one other person bought the same set :rolleyes:
But since it's painfully obvious there's no possible way even half the items paid for shipped - and no evidence they ever existed at this point - a lot of folks probably weren't getting anything of value anyway.
But since it's painfully obvious there's no possible way even half the items paid for shipped - and no evidence they ever existed at this point - a lot of folks probably weren't getting anything of value anyway.
My opinion is that the jury is still out on that for a little longer. Gotta recheck the dates and shipping times, but since the very beginning, I haven't really been expecting anything before at least next week.
Concerning the existence of the items, the ownership albums were quite complete and most pictures had handwritten notes in them.
"My" cutoff date before really considering this a loss is mid to late July. (It's not as though I have much recourse anyway since payment was made by Moneygram.)
In the meantime, please report any sightings of an ISO-modded Model F AT to me.
The interesting thing about this is the paypal refund on the note. That tells me the package was sent after everything went to ****.
What are we doing about getting packages to the rightful owners?
I'm not holding out much hope for what I ordered - I know at least one other person bought the same set :rolleyes:
That's between the recipient and the person who paid for it. It's outside the scope of your transaction with Gutz, and it's outside the scope of GH. Some of us were hopeful that folks would be honest, and constructively work together to help as many people as possible get what they paid for. Yes, there would have been yet more costs because of having to ship things around, but folks also should have all gotten a shipping refund at minimum. But since it's painfully obvious there's no possible way even half the items paid for shipped - and no evidence they ever existed at this point - a lot of folks probably weren't getting anything of value anyway.
And pretty much any hope of people being decent is long gone. Technically if someone is selling stuff you paid for, it might be possible to charge them with receipt of stolen property. (Certainly wouldn't be unprecedented.) But it's pretty clear that a lot of people only came by to point, laugh, and stir up ****. And a fair chunk of the others are either just walking away and screw everyone else, or hoping they get a high dollar item they can immediately turn around and sell.
If packages are just now making the east coast of Australia I think that any cutoff before mid-late-July is probably premature.
Berserk/Gutz was a compulsive buyer who kept multiple projects going, so I would not be at all surprised if there were multiples of quite a few of those things.
If people were thoughtful about keeping the tally up to date regarding what was ordered and what was received, it would be extremely helpful as a "community service" even if it did not get any particular item of yours re-routed properly. And, in particular, it might be gratifying to see when things had actually made it to their destinations, maybe change that font to bright bold blue or something.
If packages are just now making the east coast of Australia I think that any cutoff before mid-late-July is probably premature.
Berserk/Gutz was a compulsive buyer who kept multiple projects going, so I would not be at all surprised if there were multiples of quite a few of those things.
If people were thoughtful about keeping the tally up to date regarding what was ordered and what was received, it would be extremely helpful as a "community service" even if it did not get any particular item of yours re-routed properly. And, in particular, it might be gratifying to see when things had actually made it to their destinations, maybe change that font to bright bold blue or something.
They're keeping track of this in the spreadsheet, aren't they? That's how I found out that my Granite had been oversold.
1. Matching users to each other via OKcupid
If packages are just now making the east coast of Australia I think that any cutoff before mid-late-July is probably premature.
Berserk/Gutz was a compulsive buyer who kept multiple projects going, so I would not be at all surprised if there were multiples of quite a few of those things.
If people were thoughtful about keeping the tally up to date regarding what was ordered and what was received, it would be extremely helpful as a "community service" even if it did not get any particular item of yours re-routed properly. And, in particular, it might be gratifying to see when things had actually made it to their destinations, maybe change that font to bright bold blue or something.
I got my package today. Have been rather curious to see what I'd receive. This is what was inside the package:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TbzpAto.jpg)
From top-left to bottom-right, you're looking at: IBM M122 case with a note that says alh84001, IBM AT cable with a note that mysteriously has three user names on it: idollar, Wodan and 3K, IBM XT lacking a spacebar with a plate (as well as parts of the case) (badly) painted off-white, IBM 3178 terminal keyboard, some kind of wrist rest and a bunch of model F flippers and some barrels that have been painted the same kind of off-white as the plate in the XT.
What I ordered was: One IBM 5251 Bigfoot keyboard, one set of premium WoB Cherry MX keycaps and one Orihalcon SDL to USB cable. The XT is rather close to the Bigfoot I'd ordered as I originally wasn't asking for a Bigfoot, instead my initial enquiry was for a cheap F to use as a spares keyboard for my FSSK build. Berserk didn't quite get the other stuff correct.
Honestly I don't know what to do at this point, besides asking the people who's names appear in my package if they want their stuff. The issue with that is that shipping large things outside of Sweden is the opposite of cheap and I'm already $140 out of pocket for stuff that didn't show up and I'm not overly keen on torching even more.
I've been in contact with both Wodan (nothing in the package is his) and alh84001 (almost everything in the package is his).
I opened the keyboard up to see whether it would contain a Teensy (there's a label on the back which says it does). It doesn't. There are just four leads running from the controller pin out to the outside of the case. Also, opening it up, I realized that the right foot is bent and broken. The spacebar is only absent, not modded from what I can tell (maybe Gutz has bent the stab wire a bit to decrease the actuation force, but I can't test that).
The 3178 arrived in a bag as if it was NIB or the like. However, the case has multiple scratch marks and the surface texture has been lost at the corners.
I got my package today. Have been rather curious to see what I'd receive. This is what was inside the package:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TbzpAto.jpg)
From top-left to bottom-right, you're looking at: IBM M122 case with a note that says alh84001, IBM AT cable with a note that mysteriously has three user names on it: idollar, Wodan and 3K, IBM XT lacking a spacebar with a plate (as well as parts of the case) (badly) painted off-white, IBM 3178 terminal keyboard, some kind of wrist rest and a bunch of model F flippers and some barrels that have been painted the same kind of off-white as the plate in the XT.
What I ordered was: One IBM 5251 Bigfoot keyboard, one set of premium WoB Cherry MX keycaps and one Orihalcon SDL to USB cable. The XT is rather close to the Bigfoot I'd ordered as I originally wasn't asking for a Bigfoot, instead my initial enquiry was for a cheap F to use as a spares keyboard for my FSSK build. Berserk didn't quite get the other stuff correct.
Honestly I don't know what to do at this point, besides asking the people who's names appear in my package if they want their stuff. The issue with that is that shipping large things outside of Sweden is the opposite of cheap and I'm already $140 out of pocket for stuff that didn't show up and I'm not overly keen on torching even more.
I got my package today. Have been rather curious to see what I'd receive. This is what was inside the package:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TbzpAto.jpg)
From top-left to bottom-right, you're looking at: IBM M122 case with a note that says alh84001, IBM AT cable with a note that mysteriously has three user names on it: idollar, Wodan and 3K, IBM XT lacking a spacebar with a plate (as well as parts of the case) (badly) painted off-white, IBM 3178 terminal keyboard, some kind of wrist rest and a bunch of model F flippers and some barrels that have been painted the same kind of off-white as the plate in the XT.
What I ordered was: One IBM 5251 Bigfoot keyboard, one set of premium WoB Cherry MX keycaps and one Orihalcon SDL to USB cable. The XT is rather close to the Bigfoot I'd ordered as I originally wasn't asking for a Bigfoot, instead my initial enquiry was for a cheap F to use as a spares keyboard for my FSSK build. Berserk didn't quite get the other stuff correct.
Honestly I don't know what to do at this point, besides asking the people who's names appear in my package if they want their stuff. The issue with that is that shipping large things outside of Sweden is the opposite of cheap and I'm already $140 out of pocket for stuff that didn't show up and I'm not overly keen on torching even more.
Anyone get packages in the US yet?
Anyone get packages in the US yet?
...but is SeaMail all untracked?
C08. KBT Pure, unlubed 78g clears, blue theme aluminum casing and cable, SIP modded RGB LEDs w extra translucent keycaps, $100
Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80
Tai Hao sets red and black $8 x2 = $16
Teensy 2.0 no pins $14
Hi, seems like the items I ordered haven't been reflected in the excel. I've already sent PMs to both sky and rootwrym long ago. If I'm lacking anything please let me know.QuoteC08. KBT Pure, unlubed 78g clears, blue theme aluminum casing and cable, SIP modded RGB LEDs w extra translucent keycaps, $100
Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80
Tai Hao sets red and black $8 x2 = $16
Teensy 2.0 no pins $14
I received 2 teensys tho.
@nocturalowl
I received your PM and seems like I may have your cherry WOB sets. I don't really know which bags are the ones you ordered tho and will be overseas until August. If you are willing to wait, I am willing to ship it to you at cost. I'm from Singapore so expect shipping prices to be somewhere along the lines of what you paid beserkfan. Anyway I believe we will start allocating shipping and what not around July when most items are expected to have reached their destinations aye?
Hi, seems like the items I ordered haven't been reflected in the excel. I've already sent PMs to both sky and rootwrym long ago. If I'm lacking anything please let me know.@YJLQuoteC08. KBT Pure, unlubed 78g clears, blue theme aluminum casing and cable, SIP modded RGB LEDs w extra translucent keycaps, $100
Thick PBT colored grab bag $10 for 80
Tai Hao sets red and black $8 x2 = $16
Teensy 2.0 no pins $14
I received 2 teensys tho.
@nocturalowl
I received your PM and seems like I may have your cherry WOB sets. I don't really know which bags are the ones you ordered tho and will be overseas until August. If you are willing to wait, I am willing to ship it to you at cost. I'm from Singapore so expect shipping prices to be somewhere along the lines of what you paid beserkfan. Anyway I believe we will start allocating shipping and what not around July when most items are expected to have reached their destinations aye?
- 5x Massdrop Granite Core Set UKC2 - 3 listed, 5 sold, ZERO have shown up to date.
Hi, as mentioned in pm by rootwyrm. I post the item I received from berserkfan in here. I willing to ship this to anyone who ordered it. But pls cover the shipping cost yourself ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ki1ngKG.jpg)
Whoops I forgot. The Grassvalley board is the only item that I ordered I have send the proof of my transaction to roowyrm. Other item in the photo are not mine feel free to contact me if some of those are belong to you.
It is almost July. I am reverting my decisions - come Mid July I will be pairing up/matching up/connecting people/swiping right on the behalf of you guys so you can work out potential shipping/meet ups/favors to get your stuff. Once posted, I will cease to mediate who gets what, that's for you guys to decide.
And of course... none of my stuff has shown up ;Q_Q
That photo are all item that I receive from berserk that just empty box below grassvalleyHi, as mentioned in pm by rootwyrm. I post the item I received from berserkfan in here. I willing to ship this to anyone who ordered it. But pls cover the shipping cost yourself ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ki1ngKG.jpg)
Whoops I forgot. The Grassvalley board is the only item that I ordered I have send the proof of my transaction to roowyrm. Other item in the photo are not mine feel free to contact me if some of those are belong to you.
Ooh I ordered one of these IBM keypads! Could you list what is in the other bags?
Hi, as mentioned in pm by rootwyrm. I post the item I received from berserkfan in here. I willing to ship this to anyone who ordered it. But pls cover the shipping cost yourself ;)
Whoops I forgot. The Grassvalley board is the only item that I ordered I have send the proof of my transaction to roowyrm. Other item in the photo are not mine feel free to contact me if some of those are belong to you.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ki1ngKG.jpg)
It's not Model F. I can confirm it is a model M I seen the sticker in the back. Maybe tomorrow I take the pict. And the last is grass Valley mx black. Suppose to be only pcb. But arrived to me only missing the keycap. And that grass Valley is the only right item that shipped to me :'(Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ki1ngKG.jpg)
I need a hand identifying what we have here. I'm out of my depth on some of it.
- IBM Model F 50 - supposed to have internal Teensy controller
- IBM Model F 50 - supposed to have internal Teensy controller
- P03 Cherry G80-11801?? - I'm not sure on this one.
- Unknown Cherry PCB??
- Unknown Cherry PCB??
- B02 Deko Keyboard - I presume this is the one marked VPE187?
- Green Valley keyboard - both of these were described as BNIB or in original box. Clearly it is not.
It's not Model F. I can confirm it is a model M I seen the sticker in the back.
It's not Model F. I can confirm it is a model M I seen the sticker in the back. Maybe tomorrow I take the pict. And the last is grass Valley mx black. Suppose to be only pcb. But arrived to me only missing the keycap. And that grass Valley is the only right item that shipped to me :'(Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ki1ngKG.jpg)
I need a hand identifying what we have here. I'm out of my depth on some of it.
- IBM Model F 50 - supposed to have internal Teensy controller
- IBM Model F 50 - supposed to have internal Teensy controller
- P03 Cherry G80-11801?? - I'm not sure on this one.
- Unknown Cherry PCB??
- Unknown Cherry PCB??
- B02 Deko Keyboard - I presume this is the one marked VPE187?
- Green Valley keyboard - both of these were described as BNIB or in original box. Clearly it is not.
Hey y'all;
I just got a nicely packed IBM Model F XT from a 5155 Portable Computer (PN-6450300). It came with no keycaps, cable or Teensy as they're "shipped seperatly to meet weight req's". Which means I have a useless lump of good looking metal. I think this was one of the free items as I cant see anyone in desperate need for a yellowed non-working box of springs. (how are we even meant to find keycaps for this!?)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WYTynqq.jpg)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/AtKNS3b.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bGCunUd.jpg)
Just a heads up if anyone ordered the 5155's Model F keyboard or has the cable/keycaps/teensy that it was supposed to come with. On the front of the package it said my name and GH name, BUT on the customs form it said "Non-working keyboard for hobbyist". There's no hobbyist on DT (?) and I dont know how to search names on here :-[Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UFgJh4c.jpg)
(unless he just meant "for a hobbyist", to make it seem more likely to pass as a gift)
This is, of course, not what I ordered. Far from it, I'd like it to be a Silver/Chrome rapped Filco MJT2 ...but hey, I didnt have to pay import duties on this.
Hey y'all;
I just got a nicely packed IBM Model F XT from a 5155 Portable Computer (PN-6450300). It came with no keycaps, cable or Teensy as they're "shipped seperatly to meet weight req's". Which means I have a useless lump of good looking metal. I think this was one of the free items as I cant see anyone in desperate need for a yellowed non-working box of springs. (how are we even meant to find keycaps for this!?)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WYTynqq.jpg)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/AtKNS3b.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bGCunUd.jpg)
Just a heads up if anyone ordered the 5155's Model F keyboard or has the cable/keycaps/teensy that it was supposed to come with. On the front of the package it said my name and GH name, BUT on the customs form it said "Non-working keyboard for hobbyist". There's no hobbyist on DT (?) and I dont know how to search names on here :-[Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UFgJh4c.jpg)
(unless he just meant "for a hobbyist", to make it seem more likely to pass as a gift)
This is, of course, not what I ordered. Far from it, I'd like it to be a Silver/Chrome rapped Filco MJT2 ...but hey, I didnt have to pay import duties on this.
People actually do have use for this, so someone probably ordered it. BUT, in case no one claims this, or if that someone is far from EU and doesn't find it practical to ship it to them, please let me know as I do have a real need for this.
Also, quick update - my second package arrived to customs today, and if it doesn't get held up I should have it early next week.
~snip~
i ordered an xt, and received it. however, it is not teensied (i paid 20 extra for teensy) and the caps came in a separate box but arrived together. pictures posted above in this thread
Bull****. He pulled all the Teensies because those are easier to sell and harder to track. And he did not have to pull it for weight. It's flat out lying; it's explicit fraud. Period. The end. It's right there on the box - 1.8kg. A Teensy would not put that over weight. (I will concede a standard F cable would put it over 2kg, but given the general quality of items delivered to date? It was probably a $0.30 Chinese made USB cable.)
I don't show anyone having bought that particular board, but he was asking $88 for it. Think about that a moment. Yeah. He wanted nearly $90 for that thing, claiming it was in very good condition and would come with a Teensy and removable cable. Exactly how many of those statements is true? That's right - zero. But this definitely is not a freebie, and we have NO idea who bought it.
if my purchase doesn't arrive and nobody has proof of purchase then I may try and fix it up it my self.
This things made like something out of WW1, it's starting to grow on me.
if my purchase doesn't arrive and nobody has proof of purchase then I may try and fix it up it my self.
This things made like something out of WW1, it's starting to grow on me.
If it really is metal, the top case shell, then it is a very nice and unusual piece. I am in the US or I would make you an offer.
If it would accommodate XTant internals, it might be particularly desirable.
Almost, you might not want to take it apart so fast. Chloe documented the disassembly process over here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5492.0). Those boards get.. messy.
Almost, you might not want to take it apart so fast. Chloe documented the disassembly process over here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5492.0). Those boards get.. messy.
Yeah I had a little gander on DT and here, I'm 100% NOT going to open it up. I'm hardly clumsy but it looks like a pain to open up without doing damage, I'll gladly clean it for when somebody reports it's theirs, but I dont want to break it!
It's back in the box for now... tempting as it is to buy her some caps and have a test drive.
Unrelated to this particular occasion, but in general; at what point do we give up and accpet a package is lost to some unknown desination?
Almost, you might not want to take it apart so fast. Chloe documented the disassembly process over here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5492.0). Those boards get.. messy.
Yeah I had a little gander on DT and here, I'm 100% NOT going to open it up. I'm hardly clumsy but it looks like a pain to open up without doing damage, I'll gladly clean it for when somebody reports it's theirs, but I dont want to break it!
It's back in the box for now... tempting as it is to buy her some caps and have a test drive.
Unrelated to this particular occasion, but in general; at what point do we give up and accpet a package is lost to some unknown desination?
Not so much without doing damage, as having to repair the age damage that's already there. And clean up eleven billion tiny pieces of foam. Yuck. See people? That right there is why I don't like F's. That! But honestly, if you had a set of keycaps, I don't think anyone here would give you grief for taking it for a spin. (Seriously, a large part of it is sharing the keyboards we like with others.) But none of us want people to be accusing others of breaking their stuff.
Right now the cutoff is mid-July (Skysophrenic is handling that side of the house.) If you got a box, didn't get what you ordered, and what you ordered hasn't appeared yet? Chances are that it's missing. And quite obviously a fairly large number of boards either never shipped or never existed. The difference is purely academic, since either way you're left holding the bag. Either way you should open a dispute or contact your bank or whatever is appropriate.
As an aside, I'm just waiting to get the word in writing from my credit card issuer at this point. Not surprisingly, they found 100% in my favor on the charge reversal, and Paypal basically said they weren't willing to pay shipping anywhere on a possibly broken keyboard and a handful of keycaps.
having to repair the age damage that's already there. And clean up eleven billion tiny pieces of foam. Yuck. See people? That right there is why I don't like F's.
It appears as if the OP were shipping stuff from a junk yard for old PC components.
To report a positive thing in this thread... last week I received the wristrest I ordered! However it was not white though, rather a little golden. Also it took an indirect route over sweden.
To report a positive thing in this thread... last week I received the wristrest I ordered! However it was not white though, rather a little golden. Also it took an indirect route over sweden.
Is this the first recorded evidence of someone actually getting what they paid for?
To report a positive thing in this thread... last week I received the wristrest I ordered! However it was not white though, rather a little golden. Also it took an indirect route over sweden.
Is this the first recorded evidence of someone actually getting what they paid for?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DO2HLen.jpg)
Here's what Wodan got. He's not on GH. The one at the top is an IBM 6112883 according to the label. There is only one of those, described as:
"IBM 6112883 SKCC Green Alps T-Mount (Japanese), NIB stock"
Well, it's a 6112883. It's Japanese. It's sure not NIB and sure not stock. It's beat to death, and yes, the case is broken too.
The M122 is with slowfi (he and Wodan combined shipping) but I have no idea which board it is. It's not the one sold twice since it's not painted red - or maybe it is and the description lied. The F122, also unsure, but we only have one sold as "stock" to 122Obessed (typo?)
My order just arrived today, and it actually looks 100% correct: WoB M13 keycaps. Haven't checked every key yet, but at cursory glance it's at least the correct order.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DO2HLen.jpg)
Here's what Wodan got. He's not on GH. The one at the top is an IBM 6112883 according to the label. There is only one of those, described as:
"IBM 6112883 SKCC Green Alps T-Mount (Japanese), NIB stock"
Well, it's a 6112883. It's Japanese. It's sure not NIB and sure not stock. It's beat to death, and yes, the case is broken too.
The M122 is with slowfi (he and Wodan combined shipping) but I have no idea which board it is. It's not the one sold twice since it's not painted red - or maybe it is and the description lied. The F122, also unsure, but we only have one sold as "stock" to 122Obessed (typo?)
It's likely then that the F122 is mine.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DO2HLen.jpg)
Here's what Wodan got. He's not on GH. The one at the top is an IBM 6112883 according to the label. There is only one of those, described as:
"IBM 6112883 SKCC Green Alps T-Mount (Japanese), NIB stock"
Well, it's a 6112883. It's Japanese. It's sure not NIB and sure not stock. It's beat to death, and yes, the case is broken too.
The M122 is with slowfi (he and Wodan combined shipping) but I have no idea which board it is. It's not the one sold twice since it's not painted red - or maybe it is and the description lied. The F122, also unsure, but we only have one sold as "stock" to 122Obessed (typo?)
It's likely then that the F122 is mine.
There is also a chance that this is also my F122.
How many other Canadians are awaiting their packages? There's a high risk of a postal strike starting this Saturday, and Friday July 1st is Canada Day (i.e. a federal holiday, no mail delivery). Three days left to get our boxes, then ????
Hey Hey Hey I finally got a package!!!!!
http://imgur.com/vfSptfJ
So this is what I ordered:
DSA Grab Bag - $20
Vortex White on White Doubleshot PBT for Backlit - $22
J05. KBT Race 75% - $50
Cyan on White Thick PBT - $20
I received:
Red and White Blank DSA Keys
Blank Grey DCS Keys
White on Blue DCS Mods (Partial)
Some printed DCS Alphas
So yeah no sign of Doubleshot PBTs, KBT Race, and Cyan on White Thick PBT.
Berserkfan if you are reading this, I don't think you can look at me in the face and tell me that this is equal or similar value buddy. I paid you via Paypal gift through my bank account so you have my money, and it's not, but this is still too much...
Guys, I guess I have some DCS I can ship to you that wasn't part of my order, but honestly I don't even think it's worth the postage. However, let me know who ordered it and I'll see what I can do about getting it in your hands.
And people who think they're going to just sell someone else's items to recoup their losses... you will get caught. We're watching.
Well this is what I got... Gutz you ****ing ass.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6M647YA.jpg)
Some ****ty BOW cherry profile grab bag bull**** and some ****ty WOB that look like they have cherry MY stabs. I doubt anyone actually bought this garbage...
Well this is what I got... Gutz you ****ing ass.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6M647YA.jpg)
Some ****ty BOW cherry profile grab bag bull**** and some ****ty WOB that look like they have cherry MY stabs. I doubt anyone actually bought this garbage...
This is the first time, that I see a worn off double shot cap, down up to its legends layer, wow!
Well this is what I got... Gutz you ****ing ass.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6M647YA.jpg)
Some ****ty BOW cherry profile grab bag bull**** and some ****ty WOB that look like they have cherry MY stabs. I doubt anyone actually bought this garbage...
This is the first time, that I see a worn off double shot cap, down up to its legends layer, wow!
Could've been a misprint. I have a few of those from SP.
It's not. It's most definitely not. Look at the other keycaps. Specifically the arrow. That's not misprint - that's straight up wear-through on two keys. Look at the keycaps next to it - there's excessive wear, clearly visible. Even if it was a misprint, it was never disclosed anywhere in any of the lists. At this point, it's beyond naive to think the majority of items shipped were not outright lied about in multiple regards.
Well ****. Just got my box today, and I recieved someone else's order entirely. Not that I expected to get my stuff mind you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/67I792w.jpg)`Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XdNe5S4.jpg)
I will get on DT and message the user that I recieved's order. What a ****ing mess.
WHAT I ORDERED:
Ibm Model F122 ansi modded plate painted teensied
Ibm Model F 50 keypad, teensied
Reuters G80-9009
PLU-87 tkl
WHAT I RECIEVED:
m13 missing keycaps and trackpoint
f50 unmodded
a few model f cables
colorful BS keycaps
I'm divided between happiness and disappointment.
EDIT : ok I understand, I hoped to have the original caps.
Normally there were several M13 for sale.
He's watching ...
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I checked my conversations with Bersekfan and I have noticed this informations :Well atleast your order was close to right, It just got sent to me :)) still missing keycaps on the m13 though.
https://goo.gl/photos/n6AjLFVpFjDbzXsj7
I checked my conversations with Bersekfan and I have noticed this informations :
https://goo.gl/photos/n6AjLFVpFjDbzXsj7
As a complete outsider, just glancing down this thread looks like some Woody Allen tragic comedy.
The seller should be glad this didn't happen on Ebay.
And, as far as I understand, paypal will refund unquestionably if what you received was significantly not as described, and then seek the money from the seller. I'm pretty sure it's part of their VISA / money license thing. Then, they themselves would chase the seller through bailiffs / the courts if necessary.
As a complete outsider, just glancing down this thread looks like some Woody Allen tragic comedy.
The seller should be glad this didn't happen on Ebay.
And, as far as I understand, paypal will refund unquestionably if what you received was significantly not as described, and then seek the money from the seller. I'm pretty sure it's part of their VISA / money license thing. Then, they themselves would chase the seller through bailiffs / the courts if necessary.
would that be as effective since he lives in Malaysia, or wherever?
they make huge profit from feckups like this
they make huge profit from feckups like this
Absolutely no one is going to make a huge profit from this one.
At best someone might get a nice keyboard intended for someone else and make a few hundred dollars off of selling it.
You can't squeeze blood from a stone. The entirety of this event was <$5K
Most law enforcement agencies would scoff at a $5K case, spread thinly around the world with no viable paper trail.
As I didn't follow conversation here, I just want to state that I ordered one of IBM keypads. Just a reminder, as I saw some of them recieved by people, while not being contacted by any of them.
For the love of... people, stop cluttering up the thread with crap that's already been hashed out.
For the love of... people, stop cluttering up the thread with crap that's already been hashed out.
uhm, nothing's been hashed out from what I can see apart from some usernames (the same person?) telling people not to do anything because your name is in a "spreadsheet". Big whoop! I call it, big red flashing lights all over this thread.
Unless money is refunded back into your account, nothing's been hashed out. And that's what chargebacks are for. The people who are holding on thinking they're going to be sorted are playing right into the scammers hands. "People" posting here stating not to do anything are saying exactly what the scammers want you to do. Coincidence?
You as a "customer" may have a max time limit to get this sorted with paypal before the scammer gets away with it and you can no longer claim with paypal. So don't delay and don't think it'll be sorted at all, let alone soon.
To stop the bickering, here's a small update. I tried plugging in one of those dirty, keycapless, cableless model M with rusty springs, and of course that the membrane has broken traces. Of course it has :)
I opened her up and there is one broken trace where ribbon cable is bent. That is not unusual, but here's the pic of the second broken traceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fKg8C56.jpg)
How? Just how? :))
PayPal has no control over whether someone appeals a chargeback or not. In fact, they are following the law in this dispute and they will give you the money one they get proof of its non-working condition. PayPal isn't out to get you.
PayPal has no control over whether someone appeals a chargeback or not. In fact, they are following the law in this dispute and they will give you the money one they get proof of its non-working condition. PayPal isn't out to get you.
PayPal has no control over whether someone appeals a chargeback or not. In fact, they are following the law in this dispute and they will give you the money one they get proof of its non-working condition. PayPal isn't out to get you.
This is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Paypal is the ONLY entity that can challenge a chargeback through Visa Arbitration procedures. PERIOD. The seller has NO legal standing to contest a chargeback. Any more than you know what the hell you're talking about.
it's sad there seems to be only one person taking steps to recover their money.
it's sad there seems to be only one person taking steps to recover their money.
Not sure why there is so much ill sentiment towards rootwyrm taking action against berserkfan,
And there's some ppl like me who paid by other way than paypal (wu,moneygram) that are not getting their money back, and will (at least i will) use any ways necessary to get their things correct (or at least, part of it.)
And there's some ppl like me who paid by other way than paypal (wu,moneygram) that are not getting their money back, and will (at least i will) use any ways necessary to get their things correct (or at least, part of it.)
it looks like no one got anything even remotely as described between all of you so you'll never get their correct things. So, stop being so náive! Police / If you're in the same country, sue. As it's on a large scale, go to the police. If the police tell you it's a civil case, remind them how many of you have been defauded of money and the crimes committed.
Everyone talks big like that but look at how many tens of thousands of dollars ivan ran off with in the usa and nothing came of it.And there's some ppl like me who paid by other way than paypal (wu,moneygram) that are not getting their money back, and will (at least i will) use any ways necessary to get their things correct (or at least, part of it.)
it looks like no one got anything even remotely as described between all of you so you'll never get their correct things. So, stop being so náive! Police / If you're in the same country, sue. As it's on a large scale, go to the police. If the police tell you it's a civil case, remind them how many of you have been defauded of money and the crimes committed.
Different country. If i were in the same country with him i'd self collect instead..
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So, stop being sonáivenaïve!
Everyone talks big like that but look at how many tens of thousands of dollars ivan ran off with in the usa and nothing came of it.And there's some ppl like me who paid by other way than paypal (wu,moneygram) that are not getting their money back, and will (at least i will) use any ways necessary to get their things correct (or at least, part of it.)
it looks like no one got anything even remotely as described between all of you so you'll never get their correct things. So, stop being so náive! Police / If you're in the same country, sue. As it's on a large scale, go to the police. If the police tell you it's a civil case, remind them how many of you have been defauded of money and the crimes committed.
Different country. If i were in the same country with him i'd self collect instead..
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Everyone talks big like that but look at how many tens of thousands of dollars ivan ran off with in the usa and nothing came of it.
I *think* there's some insane *f yeah murica" law or mandate or whatever that if something like this happens (regardless of where around the world it is), if the amount is > $5000, then the FBI want to know about it. Banks (in England) have a legal duty to report certain transactions to the FBI so I'm fairly-reliably told.
Everyone talks big like that but look at how many tens of thousands of dollars ivan ran off with in the usa and nothing came of it.
I *think* there's some insane *f yeah murica" law or mandate or whatever that if something like this happens (regardless of where around the world it is), if the amount is > $5000, then the FBI want to know about it. Banks (in England) have a legal duty to report certain transactions to the FBI so I'm fairly-reliably told.
My understanding is that the total of this operation was something <$4K (not including my $100 which was actually outside of it, more or less).
Everyone talks big like that but look at how many tens of thousands of dollars ivan ran off with in the usa and nothing came of it.And there's some ppl like me who paid by other way than paypal (wu,moneygram) that are not getting their money back, and will (at least i will) use any ways necessary to get their things correct (or at least, part of it.)
it looks like no one got anything even remotely as described between all of you so you'll never get their correct things. So, stop being so náive! Police / If you're in the same country, sue. As it's on a large scale, go to the police. If the police tell you it's a civil case, remind them how many of you have been defauded of money and the crimes committed.
Different country. If i were in the same country with him i'd self collect instead..
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The utter cesspool of anger, stupidity, and utter condescending entitlement or ignorance isn't worth my time.
I haven't posted recently, but I've been following. I don't find it worth while to post anymore. The utter cesspool of anger, stupidity, and utter condescending entitlement or ignorance isn't worth my time.
4 days. Soon (tm). Friday cut off. Submit proof by then.
1. Original orders (PM's with confirmation from gutz)
2. Pics of anything you received (and list out, timestamp as well)
3. Any tracking info (heh, hopeful wish)
4. payment details (black out/blank out personal ones. this is a confirmation of payment. )
Last update will happen then. After Friday/saturday (depending on trimezone) I will disregard any other submissions. Following week, new database that will match up user(s) of Ordered vs Received. Think... match.com. You're all going on dates. You guys can then sort out who gets what if anything, and how you will arrange your shipping to each other. I will not mediate, I will not care if you personally get screwed over - I can't punish nor reward behavior.
I haven't posted recently, but I've been following. I don't find it worth while to post anymore. The utter cesspool of anger, stupidity, and utter condescending entitlement or ignorance isn't worth my time.
And quite frankly I don't care about people here enough. Mostly the latter. I'm just following through with the job I set out to do.
Those of you guys who have cooperated, thanks for your help. To the other individuals who have given me/others a hard time, sincerely, **** you.
That's all for now.
4 days. Soon (tm). Friday cut off. Submit proof by then.
1. Original orders (PM's with confirmation from gutz)
2. Pics of anything you received (and list out, timestamp as well)
3. Any tracking info (heh, hopeful wish)
4. payment details (black out/blank out personal ones. this is a confirmation of payment. )
Last update will happen then. After Friday/saturday (depending on trimezone) I will disregard any other submissions. Following week, new database that will match up user(s) of Ordered vs Received. Think... match.com. You're all going on dates. You guys can then sort out who gets what if anything, and how you will arrange your shipping to each other. I will not mediate, I will not care if you personally get screwed over - I can't punish nor reward behavior.
I haven't posted recently, but I've been following. I don't find it worth while to post anymore. The utter cesspool of anger, stupidity, and utter condescending entitlement or ignorance isn't worth my time.
And quite frankly I don't care about people here enough. Mostly the latter. I'm just following through with the job I set out to do.
Those of you guys who have cooperated, thanks for your help. To the other individuals who have given me/others a hard time, sincerely, **** you.
That's all for now.
I'm sure that most of the people who have been involved in this issue are very grateful for the effort that you've put into this.
I'm sure that most of the people who have been involved in this issue are very grateful for the effort that you've put into this.
Anyway, the stuff I did receive has been forwarded to and received by the respective buyers.
I'm extending deadline by a few days.
I need to go have one last drink with my Grandfather.
If you are saying that your grandfather is nearing the end of life, take a little recorder and squeeze a few stories out of him. I have a direct oral family history dating back to 1796 and it is important to carry real flesh experiences forward as we move rapidly into the digital age.
I am no longer accepting any more submissions.
Certainly have chronicles of his letters, stacks calligraphy, poems, paintings, artwork, stories and letters he's written to family, friends, and for leisure exists within his bar/wardrobe. Binders, folders and scrolls even of things.
I am no longer accepting any more submissions.
It will be 11 weeks tomorrow. I went to the PO today and asked them to root around in the back to see if I had a box from Singapore that had been overlooked, but no. Now I suppose that I will have to start accepting the fact that I am probably going to be left empty-handed, but I won't give up completely for another couple of weeks.
I am no longer accepting any more submissions.
It will be 11 weeks tomorrow. I went to the PO today and asked them to root around in the back to see if I had a box from Singapore that had been overlooked, but no. Now I suppose that I will have to start accepting the fact that I am probably going to be left empty-handed, but I won't give up completely for another couple of weeks.
Sometimes I think it would be better to remain empty-handed than receive some of the crap that has been mailed out.
Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
I'm new around here, does this sort of thing happen often?Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
The worst part is that we continue to give people the benefit of the doubt.
I'm new around here, does this sort of thing happen often?Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
The worst part is that we continue to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Just went through the thread. That is rough.I'm new around here, does this sort of thing happen often?Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
The worst part is that we continue to give people the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think so, but if you search up "Ivan GB scam" you should find a few results on google
I'm new around here, does this sort of thing happen often?Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
The worst part is that we continue to give people the benefit of the doubt.
That is of course terrible. I hope to not run in to those people, but I guess if you spend enough time (and money :p ) on here you will eventually.I'm new around here, does this sort of thing happen often?Unfortunately, it appears, this will be another example of people scamming people with no consequences at all, at GH. The worst part is that we do not learn our lessons.
The worst part is that we continue to give people the benefit of the doubt.
No, fortunately.
There have been a few high-profile long-term members who have disappeared with a lot of money and/or a lot of keyboard stuff belonging to the community.
See new thread.