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Offline AlexAtPanc

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[IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« on: Fri, 10 August 2018, 10:42:02 »
Hi everyone! Alex_at_panc here! Shensmobile and a few other folks have been kicking the tires on a new ortholinear layout in a 60% form factor. We've been posting pics of it around as much as we can without making people people sick of seeing it, and have been experimenting with layouts and designs, and Shens has landed on what he thinks is the winning combination.

Now, we are looking for some feedback from the community to see how best we can get these out to the community. There was a lot of R&D that went into this layout and accompanying options, so we’d like to get your opinions of what you’d like to see in a prospective group buy.

The PCB: Boardwalk - Formerly Known as Ergo60

The original name for the PCB was chosen because of the usage of Ergodox mods and its ability to fit into the 60% cases. However, split ergonomic keyboards tend to use the name Ergo##.  Rather than cause any confusion with the name and getting mixed up with other ergonomic keyboards, we settled on the name "Boardwalk." It's a more distinct name, and will hopefully make it stand out a bit!

The design hasn't changed much as people seem to be happy using the existing layouts, but there were a few pieces of criticism that we were able to address. The first issue was that while the Boardwalk uses *most* of an Ergodox keycap set, the center column (in the default layout) is not supported with most Ergodox keycap sets.  The Ergodox uses an inner column of 1.5u caps, not 1u.  The solution? Add Ergodox inner column support. This allows the keyboard to be completely coverable with base + Ergodox kit alone. If you prefer 1u instead of 1.5u on the inner column for more buttons or for aesthetics, it’s still an option, but both are available now.

Another 1.5u position was also added on the bottom row so that no 1.25u mods are required at all in the arrow layout. While 1.25u will still be necessary to use a 6.25u spacebar, you can now use 1.5u/1u/2u for the bottom row with arrows.  Either for compatibility, or for reducing the amount of keycap staggering, I think this will be a welcome change.

See new layouts here. (I've also tried to make the diagram easier to follow).

Things left to do:

* By popular demand, switch to USB-C
* Remove the through-hole diode holes as everything will be pre-assembled SMT
* Reroute traces
* Decide on black or white silkscreen
* Order release candidate PCB's for testing prior to GB

Extra PCBs can be purchased independent of a full-kit purchase.


The Case - Campine mk.IV - Built around the new PCB

The case is going to be a milled aluminum top-mount frame design with a middle acrylic diffuser and a milled aluminum angled base. The full build should be around 3.5 lbs fully assembled. As with the Campine mk.III, the case can be assembled with or without the diffuser, and the aluminum parts will be powdercoated. There will not be a flat-base option for this GB due to price concerns. There will be options for both HHKB-style blocker layout, and a standard layout.

Design assets:
* Case
* Base

Note that unlike the Campine mk.III floorplate, the milled angled base here will not have exposed mountpoints for the plate/PCB. since that feature is not necessary with this design. The plate will mount to the top at eight points, and there will be two mount points in the approximate center. Both will be threaded. One will be in the correct location for the standard 60% layouts, and the other will be in a neutral location for the Boardwalk PCB. The points will be threaded so a standoff can be screwed into either. One will allow standard 60% PCBs to be secured in the middle and provide stability, the other provide the same function to the Boardwalk, but will not be screwed through the PCB.


The Extras - A keyset to support the layout

Shensmobile and I have been discussing the possibility of including a keyset as a group buy option. Currently, GMK Space Cadet’s Assembly kit supports the default layout very well, but for those that don’t want to go in on that GB, or people that prefer a different colorway, we wanted to give them the ability to pick up caps that would support the layout right out of the box. We have been toying with a kit like this, in a simple WoB colorway. We want to make sure we can get the keyset quickly, so we are looking at DSA/DCS/OEM. Any keyset that would be provided would be an increase in price.

The proposed kit is still in flux, if you can see yourself using the Boardwalk, let us know if the legends we’re using will apply to you.  We’re not opposed to adding some blanks to cover positions that have high variation (such as the center column for the split layout).  Legended mods aren’t the most flexible but 90% of prototype testers have used very similar layouts and (Shensmobile believes) this kit will work well for the majority of users.

I’m testing out custom powder coat color combinations so that I can offer 3 custom options for this group buy. I’ll be working on and posting possible custom options as I develop them. If you have an idea, throw it out! I’d love to try out suggestions.


The Details


We are still working on getting exact pricing, but if you’re familiar with my method, I try to hit the most economical pricepoint that I can. We’re trying to get the entire kit at $400 (case + plate + PCB). We're talking about a custom fully assembled PCB, custom metal plate, and custom milled case, with all associated hardware.

We are extremely enthusiastic about making this layout and case combo the best it can be. We are targetting a Q4 start date for the GB round. If you have any questions or input, please let us know.

Here's a short survey to gauge interest and decide on other details.


« Last Edit: Fri, 10 August 2018, 13:39:44 by AlexAtPanc »

Offline Al41

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 10 August 2018, 12:21:39 »
Interested. I've been wanting something like this. Nice job  :thumb:

Offline Al41

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 10 August 2018, 12:27:05 »
Just curious. What is the angle on the base? And do you have any idea of what the colors will be?

Offline Zilleon

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 10 August 2018, 23:24:54 »
Based on the first background posts by Shensmobile on Reddit, I thought that plates compatible with multiple 60% cases would be available, is that still the case or the plate will only be compatible with the Campine?

If that is the case I think it would be a huge missed opportunity, I would be so sad  :( This project is literally the most exciting thing for me since I got into keyboards. I thought it would be the way to finally be able to meet my layout requirements in many different awesome cases out there.

This final scope presented feels so much bigger and harder to achieve, I would be absolutely happy (literally buying like 5+) sets of plates and PCBs that I could use in other cases. Also that would feel like a much better MVP IMHO.

After that goes well it would be much easier for you guys to then increase scope and go for a full package with case, keysets, etc, and I would get that 100% as well.

Please, please, let us get plates compatible with other 60% cases!

Offline shensmobile

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 09:50:08 »
First, plates and PCBs will be available during the GB, and afterwards will be regularly stocked at Alex's store.

Second, don't forget that Alex has been doing this for a long time! The Campine MK IV is actually further along than the Boardwalk, especially with all the last minute requests. I'm working my butt off to get the design revamped and tested in time for the Campine GB.

The keyset is a bit of a stretch. If there was demand for it, it could have been a fun addition, but I'm happy to let that go for the sake of keeping things simple. However, if people have feedback on what would be a good matching set for this keyboard, I'd love to hear it for future endeavours :)

The spirit of the Ergo60 lives on in the Boardwalk for sure! Alex has been working on the new Campine for a while and the timelines matched up, so it made sense for us to collaborate, especially with how much I love my Campine MK III.

Offline Zilleon

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 10:03:05 »
First, plates and PCBs will be available during the GB, and afterwards will be regularly stocked at Alex's store.

Second, don't forget that Alex has been doing this for a long time! The Campine MK IV is actually further along than the Boardwalk, especially with all the last minute requests. I'm working my butt off to get the design revamped and tested in time for the Campine GB.

The keyset is a bit of a stretch. If there was demand for it, it could have been a fun addition, but I'm happy to let that go for the sake of keeping things simple. However, if people have feedback on what would be a good matching set for this keyboard, I'd love to hear it for future endeavours :)

The spirit of the Ergo60 lives on in the Boardwalk for sure! Alex has been working on the new Campine for a while and the timelines matched up, so it made sense for us to collaborate, especially with how much I love my Campine MK III.

Awesome! Thank you so much for the context :)

And thank you for bringing this project to the community, you guys rock! Can't wait to throw money at you guys!

Offline AlexAtPanc

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 14:15:16 »
Just curious. What is the angle on the base? And do you have any idea of what the colors will be?

The base angle is 3 degrees.

I'm going to offer my standard range of "stock" colors, along with some custom ones. I haven't landed on the custom mixes, but I'll be sharing the experiments as I go through them.

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 15:43:10 »
One thing is not yet clear to me. The PCB will fit 60% cases as far as I understood. But are you offering also a plate which will support normal (aka tray mounted) 60% cases? Or just the top mounted one for the Compine mk IV?
I have enough 60% cases and would love to buy steel or brass plates with the PCB if 60% cases are supported.

Offline shensmobile

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 16:55:59 »
One thing is not yet clear to me. The PCB will fit 60% cases as far as I understood. But are you offering also a plate which will support normal (aka tray mounted) 60% cases? Or just the top mounted one for the Compine mk IV?
I have enough 60% cases and would love to buy steel or brass plates with the PCB if 60% cases are supported.

For those who want to use the Boardwalk with a GH60 case, a tray-mount plate will be available with PCBs. These will eventually be regular stock at Alex's store as well!

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 11 August 2018, 17:39:43 »
One thing is not yet clear to me. The PCB will fit 60% cases as far as I understood. But are you offering also a plate which will support normal (aka tray mounted) 60% cases? Or just the top mounted one for the Compine mk IV?
I have enough 60% cases and would love to buy steel or brass plates with the PCB if 60% cases are supported.

For those who want to use the Boardwalk with a GH60 case, a tray-mount plate will be available with PCBs. These will eventually be regular stock at Alex's store as well!

Excellent news!

Offline beekey

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 12 August 2018, 01:53:26 »
One thing is not yet clear to me. The PCB will fit 60% cases as far as I understood. But are you offering also a plate which will support normal (aka tray mounted) 60% cases? Or just the top mounted one for the Compine mk IV?
I have enough 60% cases and would love to buy steel or brass plates with the PCB if 60% cases are supported.

For those who want to use the Boardwalk with a GH60 case, a tray-mount plate will be available with PCBs. These will eventually be regular stock at Alex's store as well!

YEZZZZ, very cool. Will get at least one.

Offline shensmobile

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 12 August 2018, 13:19:14 »
Damn, I just noticed that the Keyset link wasn't included in the OP.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d9abdc5b2cd2b12d03dfd479f20c47a1

This is the set that I've been playing around with.  If we were to push this keyset to accompany a Boardwalk GB, would people be interested if we could push this out at a reasonable cost?

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 12 August 2018, 13:36:23 »
Damn, I just noticed that the Keyset link wasn't included in the OP.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d9abdc5b2cd2b12d03dfd479f20c47a1

This is the set that I've been playing around with.  If we were to push this keyset to accompany a Boardwalk GB, would people be interested if we could push this out at a reasonable cost?
I'm personally more interested in plate and PCB than anything else by far.

Although not 100% sure I would probably get a case.

But the keycaps I'm personally not interested at all.

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 09 October 2018, 15:14:25 »
I’m a bit new to some of this, but I presume that this board won’t have hot-swappable sockets? And that in turn it’ll require soldering to put together?

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Re: [IC] Boardwalk PCB X Campine mk.IV
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 09 October 2018, 18:26:16 »
I would normally be interested in keycaps, but I bought the Space Cadet ergo kit several weeks back so I'm covered in that regard.

Keep up the good work on this!