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Title: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 15 January 2019, 11:28:36
Hello everyone, after a considerable IC phase on Reddit, I'm posting a final IC here for people to get on board before the GB begins

For those of you who are finding this for the first time, this is a 60% tray mounted case that I designed as a tribute to the AEK that I harvested all my alps parts from. This was originally just a personal project I embarked on while I had access to a 3D printer – but significant demand for samples from friends, redditors and discord members had prompted me to expand this into a proper group buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/Jt8PLW3_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

I am pleased to be working with the wonderful /u/keyboardbelleprints, who does amazing work on her own cases (keyboardbelle.com) and has shown real promise in helping me deliver an awesome case for the community. Seriously, these are amazing – the production samples I have received are awesome – they look great, sound great, and the translucent one’s handle underglow LEDs like nothing I’ve seen before.

(https://i.imgur.com/5yCxHIB_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

So, lets get down to specs:
Weight: 330g
Material: ABS plastic (depends on the color option, but both are of similar density)
Mount: 6 screw pok3r style mount – compatible with USB-C because that’s a thing now.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/867af1fbe94d5659043a0da4fc546eb5/tumblr_plcx3vtyyw1vpt21o_1280.jpg)

Why 3D printed?
A few reasons:
1. Fast production – I’m expecting the cases to be ready to be distributed no more than a month after GB close.
2. Affordable – I asked a machinist friend of mine what a run of 30 of these in aluminum would cost, and it was upwards of $350 each. These are approximately 1/7th the price.
3. THE SOUND – These cases really bring out the pop and the thock of the alps switches. /u/cankr did a sound test with the sample I sent him, and its really something.

Sound test:

Compatibility:
I designed this for use with alps64 boards with AEK caps (using the hasu plate). With that being said, there is sufficient room for most 60% boards to fit, and I have tested GMK and SA caps, and can confirm that there is no rubbing or incompatibilities with the case.

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/2a91b46cc8c50ba2865e011b618850a9/tumblr_pldvj7hDpf1vpt21o_1280.jpg)

The group buy will run for 2 weeks, then production will start immediately.
The cost is less than $50/case. Final price will be announced in the GB, but it will be between $40-50
Colors:
AEK Beige
Translucent
Glow-in-the-dark

In addition to the main three, I will get info from keyboardbelle if she has any other colours kicking around, so if someone wants a navy blue or lime green or something wild, we can try and make that hapoen. If she, please reply with a non-offered color and I can see if she stocks it before you order.

Finally, there will be an option for a cutout for the apple logo. Just a dab of hot glue and you're set. (apologies for the tiny image, I'm away from my protos right now)

(https://i.imgur.com/0V7XKjk.jpg)

Designed in Canada
Made in the USA
Ships from California

Images: https://imgur.com/a/3OUmql1

IC form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WVlvjTUEbI7-__oo242PtvnfmYf2dZ6oU08EsAaEGns
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: aedin on Tue, 15 January 2019, 14:04:57
This looks great and I'm SO in for an AEK beige case especially at these prices.  I might pick up a glow in the dark on too for the heck of it.


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Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Tue, 15 January 2019, 15:01:51
This looks great and I'm SO in for an AEK beige case especially at these prices.  I might pick up a glow in the dark on too for the heck of it.


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Same the beige looks great, been looking for a nice plastic case for my next alps build
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 15 January 2019, 15:44:33
This looks great and I'm SO in for an AEK beige case especially at these prices.  I might pick up a glow in the dark on too for the heck of it.


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Awesome. I'm getting a sample of the glow in the dark made right now. Also, I forgot to mention, there is the option for a small cutout above the USB on the bezel to mount the apple logo from an AEK. I'll have pictures of that when it's finished.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: airlangga07 on Tue, 15 January 2019, 18:42:37
Wow I am interested!


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Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 18 January 2019, 00:03:17
"Wondering if this will fit and xd75 pcb, can you confirm this? If not it could give me an excuse to build another keyboard."

It will fit in the case, but you will get less than 5 mounting points, as it shares some with the gh60, but not all. So, it all depends on how much that will bother you. I think if you are to cut a few pieces of plastic to size and glue them strategically to support the PCB, it should be just fine. But if you're looking for perfect compatibility, I'm gonna have to say go build a staggered 60%. With alps ;)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: crd on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:33:06
Loving this and looking forward to putting my alps64 in one. I have some other cases from keyboardbelle and they’re really cool and am excellent value.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:09:52
Interested since I have extra parts laying aroud.

How many stand offs are being used? Would prefer at least no center post
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: crd on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:23:40
Interested since I have extra parts laying aroud.

How many stand offs are being used? Would prefer at least no center post

Makes sense because the AEK plate that most folks will be using with this case doesn't use the center stand off
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:53:05
Interested since I have extra parts laying aroud.

How many stand offs are being used? Would prefer at least no center post

Im using the standard 6 right now, but if you'd like (and I can put a place to specify on the GB form) I can easily remove the center post. 2 minutes in CAD and add another order option. No problem :)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: fireworm on Fri, 18 January 2019, 23:50:15
I'd be curious if you could offer a sanded down version too; I'm not a fan of the layers showing....
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 19 January 2019, 00:45:53
neat
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 19 January 2019, 04:53:37
Here are some answers to questions asked in the Google form:

Q: Hi, this could be a dumb question but is this case only for the alps pcb? Or can I use something non alps, like dz60 pcb in this?

A: you can use any standard mount 60% PCB, dz60 is what I am using in one of the pictures in the thread (the one with gmk camping keycaps). I say "for Alps" because the sound produced by Alps in thick plastic is amazing, but that does t mean it isn't compatible or good sounding with MX. I quite like MX black in these as well.

Q: Any way to have the edges sanded down to be flush, and not show the layering?

A: Not from me. But, if you want to do it to your case once you get it, I think it can work. Use very fine grit. Keep in mind that if you take off too much material you may reveal the hollow portions of the print, so go lightly. Also, I'm not sure how it would look on the glow or translucent cases, but I think a solid opaque color would look nice sanded.

Or, you can always take the XTC-3D route, it adds a smoothing effect and makes the prints look spectacular.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: DasGnome on Sat, 19 January 2019, 08:42:36
Interested since I have extra parts laying aroud.

How many stand offs are being used? Would prefer at least no center post

Im using the standard 6 right now, but if you'd like (and I can put a place to specify on the GB form) I can easily remove the center post. 2 minutes in CAD and add another order option. No problem :)

Definitely in then!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: KorbenDallas on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:34:53
Definitely looking forward to this running, my dampened whites need a home!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:10:20
Interested since I have extra parts laying aroud.

How many stand offs are being used? Would prefer at least no center post

Im using the standard 6 right now, but if you'd like (and I can put a place to specify on the GB form) I can easily remove the center post. 2 minutes in CAD and add another order option. No problem :)

Definitely in then!

Awesome! Please fill in the Google form so I can gather a little more info about what colors people are after!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:52:21
Had a few people asking about the apple logo - unfortunately I am not offering them, simply because it comes from the AEK (and m0116) boards themselves (which I only have a few of :/). If you have an AEK, just take off the housing and remove it with a little pin from behind. If you don't have an AEK, I would recommend asking around on mechmarket for someone to send one to you for a few bucks if you want to use it for the case. I know there are a lot of people with alps64 builds that gutted an AEK, but never seen any build use the logo, so many people probably have one sitting in the closet they would be willing to part with for a few dollars.

And finally, a small update: I have enough interest that I am comfortable to start the GB this week, (just waiting on a few pictures of the samples with the final revision) and will be sending everyone on my mailing list an email.

Thanks for the interest everyone!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: dimo on Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:04:58
Are alps64 pcb’s still available?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:20:35
Are alps64 pcb’s still available?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0

Right here, these are the best.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Tommicorn on Tue, 22 January 2019, 09:37:27
Looks great! Alps sound much better in plastic cases imo. I look forward to it!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:47:34
I'd definitely be down for 2 of these! One to transplant my existing AEK64 build into & one for a batch of SKCM oranges I've been sitting on for quite awhile now. The sound test video really sold me on these. I'm happy with the way my aluminum case I have my AEK64 in now sounds, but that extra pop you get with these ABS cases is just lovely sounding! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: DasGnome on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:14:07
Had a few people asking about the apple logo - unfortunately I am not offering them, simply because it comes from the AEK (and m0116) boards themselves (which I only have a few of :/). If you have an AEK, just take off the housing and remove it with a little pin from behind. If you don't have an AEK, I would recommend asking around on mechmarket for someone to send one to you for a few bucks if you want to use it for the case. I know there are a lot of people with alps64 builds that gutted an AEK, but never seen any build use the logo, so many people probably have one sitting in the closet they would be willing to part with for a few dollars.

And finally, a small update: I have enough interest that I am comfortable to start the GB this week, (just waiting on a few pictures of the samples with the final revision) and will be sending everyone on my mailing list an email.

Thanks for the interest everyone!

Maybe a sticker pack with a few different colored apples and other AEK inspired designs? I think this would probably get a decent number sold to the greater community too.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 22 January 2019, 11:32:55
Had a few people asking about the apple logo - unfortunately I am not offering them, simply because it comes from the AEK (and m0116) boards themselves (which I only have a few of :/). If you have an AEK, just take off the housing and remove it with a little pin from behind. If you don't have an AEK, I would recommend asking around on mechmarket for someone to send one to you for a few bucks if you want to use it for the case. I know there are a lot of people with alps64 builds that gutted an AEK, but never seen any build use the logo, so many people probably have one sitting in the closet they would be willing to part with for a few dollars.

And finally, a small update: I have enough interest that I am comfortable to start the GB this week, (just waiting on a few pictures of the samples with the final revision) and will be sending everyone on my mailing list an email.

Thanks for the interest everyone!

Maybe a sticker pack with a few different colored apples and other AEK inspired designs? I think this would probably get a decent number sold to the greater community too.

This is a pretty good ideal! It would be pretty awesome to have Apple logo stickers that match popular key set colorways! Also making stickers would be much more feasible & affordable than actual badges. Although honestly I will probably steal a badge from one of my leftover AEKII cases.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:42:12
I'd definitely be down for 2 of these! One to transplant my existing AEK64 build into & one for a batch of SKCM oranges I've been sitting on for quite awhile now. The sound test video really sold me on these. I'm happy with the way my aluminum case I have my AEK64 in now sounds, but that extra pop you get with these ABS cases is just lovely sounding! :thumb:

Glad to hear it! I've got some shots of the glow in the dark prototype here http://imgur.com/gallery/hx99515

It diffuses the LEDs and glows in the dark!

GB starting this week when I have a free hour to write it up, I'll notify everyone by email.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:50:24
Had a few people asking about the apple logo - unfortunately I am not offering them, simply because it comes from the AEK (and m0116) boards themselves (which I only have a few of :/). If you have an AEK, just take off the housing and remove it with a little pin from behind. If you don't have an AEK, I would recommend asking around on mechmarket for someone to send one to you for a few bucks if you want to use it for the case. I know there are a lot of people with alps64 builds that gutted an AEK, but never seen any build use the logo, so many people probably have one sitting in the closet they would be willing to part with for a few dollars.

And finally, a small update: I have enough interest that I am comfortable to start the GB this week, (just waiting on a few pictures of the samples with the final revision) and will be sending everyone on my mailing list an email.

Thanks for the interest everyone!

Maybe a sticker pack with a few different colored apples and other AEK inspired designs? I think this would probably get a decent number sold to the greater community too.

This is a pretty good ideal! It would be pretty awesome to have Apple logo stickers that match popular key set colorways! Also making stickers would be much more feasible & affordable than actual badges. Although honestly I will probably steal a badge from one of my leftover AEKII cases.

This is a good idea... Maybe for a future round. For now, however, it's just for the badge you take from the case. I don't want to dabble in using copyrighted symbols - I am just a lowly case maker :p
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 24 January 2019, 09:13:28
Sample of alternate grey. Thoughts on this compared to the original?

(http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h)

http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 24 January 2019, 09:28:20
Sample of alternate grey. Thoughts on this compared to the original?

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h)


http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h

It's nice, but I like the original better.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: DasGnome on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:24:50
I like the original beige more as well. 
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:27:30
Beige is nicer but gray is also nice
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 24 January 2019, 23:13:54
Beige is nicer but gray is also nice

I like the original beige more as well. 

Sample of alternate grey. Thoughts on this compared to the original?

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h)


http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h

It's nice, but I like the original better.

Okay, seems like most people like the OG beige. Makes my life easy.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: airlangga07 on Fri, 25 January 2019, 00:21:14
Beige is nicer but gray is also nice

I like the original beige more as well. 

Sample of alternate grey. Thoughts on this compared to the original?

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h)


http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h (http://imgur.com/gallery/wBR0p5h)

It's nice, but I like the original better.

Okay, seems like most people like the OG beige. Makes my life easy.


OG Beige yes!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Fri, 25 January 2019, 01:51:05
Was happy that i found the old apple badges ive been saving today. Its gonna look so nice.

This isnt one of the busiest threads ive seen but im super excited about these.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 25 January 2019, 10:30:38
It's a tough call for me.  I love the design and color.  I love plastic cases.  I have 3 AEKIIs sitting around for harvesting caps and stabilizers.  I was going to buy a Lunar 65 board, but I have decided that alps just wouldn't feel right in a metal case with a thick plate.

But, then there's the fact that I have nearly 50 keyboards.  It's hard anymore for me to justify spending money on things that aren't perfect in my eyes.

I have a keyboardbelle case and I like it a lot.  But it's more of a novelty in my collection.  It has my very first board, a Cherry Blue Pok3r that I learned to solder on by putting in LEDs with some WASD custom caps on it.

So that's the conundrum.  I love plastic cases.  I know the 3d printed cases feel good.  I just don't like the way the 3d print lines look and it's going to be hard to convince myself to buy an alps64 board for this case. 

A very cool project, but I'm still deciding.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:23:29
It's a tough call for me.  I love the design and color.  I love plastic cases.  I have 3 AEKIIs sitting around for harvesting caps and stabilizers.  I was going to buy a Lunar 65 board, but I have decided that alps just wouldn't feel right in a metal case with a thick plate.

But, then there's the fact that I have nearly 50 keyboards.  It's hard anymore for me to justify spending money on things that aren't perfect in my eyes.

I have a keyboardbelle case and I like it a lot.  But it's more of a novelty in my collection.  It has my very first board, a Cherry Blue Pok3r that I learned to solder on by putting in LEDs with some WASD custom caps on it.

So that's the conundrum.  I love plastic cases.  I know the 3d printed cases feel good.  I just don't like the way the 3d print lines look and it's going to be hard to convince myself to buy an alps64 board for this case. 

A very cool project, but I'm still deciding.

My suggestion to those who don't like the lines (which is the nature of 3D printing, very small layers being added means that you get the staircase effect until you're dealing with layers in the hundreds of nanometers) is to either lightly sand the curves, or to apply a smoothing coating. They can be had for a few bucks from 3D printing shops online.

However, the little bit you sacrifice in surface finish gets you the ability for patterned infill, which is responsible for the great sound signature of the cases. Also, doing anything custom out of cast plastic involves expensive molds, so this is the best we've got for less than $50 a case.

But yeah, XTC-3D and a little sandpaper and go crazy man.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:26:02
Was happy that i found the old apple badges ive been saving today. Its gonna look so nice.

This isnt one of the busiest threads ive seen but im super excited about these.

Most of the interest and tweaking has been done on reddit, as well as a lot through the discord and PMs with a few guys I sent prototypes to so they could test it out.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: EvvL on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:27:23
The OG Beige is just about perfect IMHO. Definitely looking forward to this case since I first saw it posted on r/mk. Currently typing this on the alp64 that would probably go in it  :)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:48:01
It's a tough call for me.  I love the design and color.  I love plastic cases.  I have 3 AEKIIs sitting around for harvesting caps and stabilizers.  I was going to buy a Lunar 65 board, but I have decided that alps just wouldn't feel right in a metal case with a thick plate.

But, then there's the fact that I have nearly 50 keyboards.  It's hard anymore for me to justify spending money on things that aren't perfect in my eyes.

I have a keyboardbelle case and I like it a lot.  But it's more of a novelty in my collection.  It has my very first board, a Cherry Blue Pok3r that I learned to solder on by putting in LEDs with some WASD custom caps on it.

So that's the conundrum.  I love plastic cases.  I know the 3d printed cases feel good.  I just don't like the way the 3d print lines look and it's going to be hard to convince myself to buy an alps64 board for this case. 

A very cool project, but I'm still deciding.

50 boards...dang. It's hard to justify anything with that many. lol

I'm not super experienced with Alps nor do I even actually like them (though I have a few boards), but I agree that they sound better in plastic cases. The awesome thing about the design of this case is that we are seeing a lot of Apple-inspired MX keysets (Oblique, Kbdfans , Katakana TKC, Qisan, etc..), so this has great synergy for those as well as OG AEK.

I actually appreciate the lines. Plastic is so ubiquitous in other products that it's uninteresting (even if it's not common for customs). I think it gives it a cool DIY, homemade feel. That's my outlook at least.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: crd on Fri, 25 January 2019, 14:32:27
FWIW, I recently relocated my alps64 with matias click switches from an alu tofu to a different keyboardbelle case and I absolutely love the sound. Can’t wait to get one of these cases for it to really complete the aesthetic.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: sam278 on Fri, 25 January 2019, 22:01:11
Do you know if the speakers on the Clueboard 60 PCB will fit inside this case?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 26 January 2019, 16:29:45
Do you know if the speakers on the Clueboard 60 PCB will fit inside this case?

Those speakers are 5mm, and the mounts are 5mm from the bottom of the case, so it'll be close. Since it's 3D printed, you could Dremel out a little divot wherever the speaker is pretty easily if it doesn't fit as is.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Sat, 26 January 2019, 22:39:57
Orange alps build with steel plate and pine case:

[attachimg=1]

The sound isn't great tbh, been looking for a nice plastic case to use with FR-4 plate for next build, I'm expecting a much better sound
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 26 January 2019, 23:16:17
Orange alps build with steel plate and pine case:

(Attachment Link)

The sound isn't great tbh, been looking for a nice plastic case to use with FR-4 plate for next build, I'm expecting a much better sound

Damn! That looks nice. I'd chalk it up to the plate material. I've got orange alps + FR4 + light wood case, and it sounds really nice. I think that the more light material (plastics/poly/substrate) you put in your alps builds the better.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 27 January 2019, 00:19:35
Okay I just stuck my orange alps build in my cassette futura case and it’s pretty amazing how much better it feels and sounds vs the aluminum case it was in previously.

Probably going to have to get one of these. 

Any chance we could convince you to do a 65% down the road? :)

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sun, 27 January 2019, 00:27:13
Okay I just stuck my orange alps build in my cassette futura case and it’s pretty amazing how much better it feels and sounds vs the aluminum case it was in previously.

Probably going to have to get one of these. 

Any chance we could convince you to do a 65% down the road? :)

(Attachment Link)

Shouldn't be hard. I would give me an excuse to redo the CAD for the case in a more organized fashion for sure, which i've learned is very necessary for making changes along the way. Lets see how this GB goes, and I'll have a look at making other sizes. Rumor is everyone's favourite spring scammer is making 75%  alps PCBs, so I might have to make an ADK75 ;)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: temp0321 on Sun, 27 January 2019, 01:52:48
When will this start GB?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:45:23
When will this start GB?

Soon(tm). Just getting a few things ironed out, so anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 29 January 2019, 12:01:03
It's a tough call for me.  I love the design and color.  I love plastic cases.  I have 3 AEKIIs sitting around for harvesting caps and stabilizers.  I was going to buy a Lunar 65 board, but I have decided that alps just wouldn't feel right in a metal case with a thick plate.

But, then there's the fact that I have nearly 50 keyboards.  It's hard anymore for me to justify spending money on things that aren't perfect in my eyes.

I have a keyboardbelle case and I like it a lot.  But it's more of a novelty in my collection.  It has my very first board, a Cherry Blue Pok3r that I learned to solder on by putting in LEDs with some WASD custom caps on it.

So that's the conundrum.  I love plastic cases.  I know the 3d printed cases feel good.  I just don't like the way the 3d print lines look and it's going to be hard to convince myself to buy an alps64 board for this case. 

A very cool project, but I'm still deciding.

My suggestion to those who don't like the lines (which is the nature of 3D printing, very small layers being added means that you get the staircase effect until you're dealing with layers in the hundreds of nanometers) is to either lightly sand the curves, or to apply a smoothing coating. They can be had for a few bucks from 3D printing shops online.

However, the little bit you sacrifice in surface finish gets you the ability for patterned infill, which is responsible for the great sound signature of the cases. Also, doing anything custom out of cast plastic involves expensive molds, so this is the best we've got for less than $50 a case.

But yeah, XTC-3D and a little sandpaper and go crazy man.

How about stickerbombing the whole thing to hide the lines? Just an Idea, and I'm sure one can do that in a more... tasteful way (not too colorful stickers, maybe even retro-looking ones to fit the theme).

(http://i.imgur.com/3WV0lNr.jpg)

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB109T7QVXXXXbIapXXq6xXFXXXQ/Jamie-Note-Printed-Stickers-Blue-American-Airlines-Decorative-Stickers-For-Midori-Travelers-Notebook-Label-Vintage-Retro.jpg_640x640.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 29 January 2019, 13:55:48
I've also seen people use hydrographics on 3d printed stuff.  But you'll still see the lines if you don't sand them.  I think I'll either leave it as-is or try my hand at a light sand + prime/paint
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:26:29
It's a tough call for me.  I love the design and color.  I love plastic cases.  I have 3 AEKIIs sitting around for harvesting caps and stabilizers.  I was going to buy a Lunar 65 board, but I have decided that alps just wouldn't feel right in a metal case with a thick plate.

But, then there's the fact that I have nearly 50 keyboards.  It's hard anymore for me to justify spending money on things that aren't perfect in my eyes.

I have a keyboardbelle case and I like it a lot.  But it's more of a novelty in my collection.  It has my very first board, a Cherry Blue Pok3r that I learned to solder on by putting in LEDs with some WASD custom caps on it.

So that's the conundrum.  I love plastic cases.  I know the 3d printed cases feel good.  I just don't like the way the 3d print lines look and it's going to be hard to convince myself to buy an alps64 board for this case. 

A very cool project, but I'm still deciding.

My suggestion to those who don't like the lines (which is the nature of 3D printing, very small layers being added means that you get the staircase effect until you're dealing with layers in the hundreds of nanometers) is to either lightly sand the curves, or to apply a smoothing coating. They can be had for a few bucks from 3D printing shops online.

However, the little bit you sacrifice in surface finish gets you the ability for patterned infill, which is responsible for the great sound signature of the cases. Also, doing anything custom out of cast plastic involves expensive molds, so this is the best we've got for less than $50 a case.

But yeah, XTC-3D and a little sandpaper and go crazy man.

How about stickerbombing the whole thing to hide the lines? Just an Idea, and I'm sure one can do that in a more... tasteful way (not too colorful stickers, maybe even retro-looking ones to fit the theme).

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3WV0lNr.jpg)


Show Image
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB109T7QVXXXXbIapXXq6xXFXXXQ/Jamie-Note-Printed-Stickers-Blue-American-Airlines-Decorative-Stickers-For-Midori-Travelers-Notebook-Label-Vintage-Retro.jpg_640x640.jpg)


This is a great idea! Could probably do this with B-stock as well since it'll cover up the imperfections. My only concern would be the stickers adhering to the somewhat rough surface caused by the layers... I'd consider a coating before stickering, but then I think it would work great!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:30:03
I seriously have enough stickers from mech keyboard vendors to cover more than one.  Lol
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 01 February 2019, 17:14:42
Small update:

Belle is trying a new nozzle to get the grey to cooperate, so we have just a little more testing to do before I open the GB.

Hang in there!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 04 February 2019, 21:25:24
I've gotten a few requests in the google form to offer plates and PCBs - unfortunately I do not have anything of my own design, but I will point you to Hasu's stuff - he sells an alps PCB + plate (plate is FR4, which is a great material) that is ready for the AEK layout (and a few others) at a reasonable price. Please have a look!

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.1200

He's getting new stock after CNY, but they will be found in this thread when he does.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: gbchk on Mon, 04 February 2019, 22:24:32
What is FR4? Would you say it's better suited for Alps  in terms of sound/feel as opposed to stainless steel (specifically for orange Alps)?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 04 February 2019, 23:31:15
What is FR4? Would you say it's better suited for Alps  in terms of sound/feel as opposed to stainless steel (specifically for orange Alps)?

I have a steel plate on my orange alps board in a wooden case. I really don't think the steel is ideal for the sound, and it's certainly more rigid than I would like. Next build going plastic case with fr4 plate.

edit: fr4 is pcb material
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 05 February 2019, 00:34:20
What is FR4? Would you say it's better suited for Alps  in terms of sound/feel as opposed to stainless steel (specifically for orange Alps)?

As rubbermilitia said, fr4 is PCB material, so a light but strong plate. Hands down the best sound for orange alps.in my opinion... I use fr4 + orange Alps + ADK64 as my daily driver.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: gbchk on Tue, 05 February 2019, 00:41:46
Awesome, sounds like it will be a great combination with this case.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Tue, 05 February 2019, 16:51:24
Have you tried brass as well? I currently have a brass plate on my alps boards and think theyre ok. Considering switching to fr4 after reading the above comments
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Tue, 05 February 2019, 20:16:34
Have you tried brass as well? I currently have a brass plate on my alps boards and think theyre ok. Considering switching to fr4 after reading the above comments

I've only used brass with linear switches, and its just too damn rigid/dense for me. YMMV
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Wed, 06 February 2019, 09:47:40
Eh ordered some fr4s to try. I think theyll sound better than metal
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 February 2019, 00:42:09
So, great news for those who wanted smoother curves! Belle is trying a technique with a smaller layer height for the bezel, which makes it much smoother than it was previously hoped. Check out the pictures. The top half is the old way, and the bottom half of the bezel was printed with the smaller layer height! Mind the rest of the defects on the case, it was set to print quicker on the lower portion to get to the bezel faster, production models will be printed much slower.

(https://i.imgur.com/epjhv5r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ULKnR2j.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 07 February 2019, 00:50:35
Wow, that's a huge difference.  Looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Thu, 07 February 2019, 00:56:09
Looks great! Maybe GB in a week?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 07 February 2019, 02:41:08
Eh ordered some fr4s to try. I think theyll sound better than metal

Where did you get your plates from?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: crd on Thu, 07 February 2019, 08:13:13
Nice improvement!
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Thu, 07 February 2019, 08:22:35

Where did you get your plates from?

The answer is literally on this page of the thread

So, great news for those who wanted smoother curves! Belle is trying a technique with a smaller layer height for the bezel, which makes it much smoother than it was previously hoped. Check out the pictures. The top half is the old way, and the bottom half of the bezel was printed with the smaller layer height! Mind the rest of the defects on the case, it was set to print quicker on the lower portion to get to the bezel faster, production models will be printed much slower.



Looks great! Is acetone vapor bath smoothing a viable option for this case? Has it been attempted? What about sanding? Are there any support materials used in its development like HIPS? Not very knowledgeable about 3d printing, but very curious

Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: gbchk on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:53:19
I'd be interested in the best way to get a perfectly finished (sanded, painted, whatever) product as well. If someone is experienced with finishing and is planning on doing it to their case, it would be a huge help if they did a write-up of the steps they took and the materials used.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:05:53
I'll ask Belle. As I've mentioned before, XTC-3D is an option if you want a glossy finish. I've used it for some models that needed to be really smooth and it did the job.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: Rykno on Thu, 07 February 2019, 14:14:42
I think they refer to the finish texture of the plastic. 3d printing is notoriously -gritty-?

I'm curious as well. I like the idea of the glow in the dark version but I would want a smooth textured case =)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: sadayogi on Sat, 09 February 2019, 17:16:15
Really interested in this case. However I want to use Lunar AEK PCB for the 65% layout.

I don’t really want to use Lunar metal case. I like the sound from heavy plastic more than the metal one. Is there a possibility of 65% ADK case?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 09 February 2019, 20:02:49
I'm going to run the GB for the 60% first, but it shouldn't be too hard to get a 65% made. We would need someone to be able to make an Alps plate for a 65% as well... So I can talk to some acrylic guys around here and see what's possible.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 09 February 2019, 20:07:45
UPDATE

Got some more samples. I'm going to run a space grey as well as a classic beige (in addition to the glow and translucent models). Here are some photos!

(https://i.imgur.com/ekHuJjz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

(https://i.imgur.com/3umoXfa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: EvvL on Sat, 09 February 2019, 20:34:34
wow, those really look nice. Can't wait for the GB
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: crd on Sat, 09 February 2019, 21:43:57
Dang I might have to do a space Grey one. Looking good :)
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 09 February 2019, 21:47:44
Is that new prototype beige or white?  THe beige in your typing demo seems the same color as the keycap, but this one appears much lighter.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 09 February 2019, 21:51:30
Is that new prototype beige or white?  THe beige in your typing demo seems the same color as the keycap, but this one appears much lighter.

The prototype from the typing test wasn't from belle, it was a 3D printer from an old job, so that color isn't available unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: gbchk on Sat, 09 February 2019, 21:51:49
Colors look great! I think I'll get one of each. Nice deskmat by the way, I have the same one.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: mog_genius88 on Sat, 09 February 2019, 22:57:09
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

That gray looks so nice. Gimme.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 09 February 2019, 23:08:51
I like the dark gray of the two color options.  Probably too late, but could we get a top down view?  Just noticing the tolerances around the caps is pretty big.  What does it look like from above?
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: sadayogi on Sat, 09 February 2019, 23:43:12
I'm going to run the GB for the 60% first, but it shouldn't be too hard to get a 65% made. We would need someone to be able to make an Alps plate for a 65% as well... So I can talk to some acrylic guys around here and see what's possible.

Awesome! The current case prototypes are looking great. Looking forward to 65% version GB.
Title: Re: [IC] ADK64 - 3D Printed 60% case for alps64
Post by: sam278 on Sun, 10 February 2019, 00:12:56
Huge fan of the dark grey. I feel a bit weird about getting the version with the apple logo cutout since I exclusively use windows, but it just looks so damn nice.

Also, just saying, I'd love for a version of this sometime in the future that has 1.5u blockers. AEK caps with hhkb blockers would look so dope :) that'd be endgame material, for me at least...