Post by: openkeydesign on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:42:38
Less But Better
A cherry profile dyesub keycap set
(https://i.loli.net/2020/11/22/oBhEmTsl8edvMS5.jpg)
Hi, this is Killer from OpenkeyDesign. And we are a group of keyboard enthusiasts. We got a lot of inspirations from Dieter Rams' design so we decide to design our first keycap set as a tribute.
Here are the kits
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We are still working on the renderings with keyboards, so please give us some more time. And we may not have time to reply you all, but your comments and suggestions will make this keycap set better. Thank you very much!
Renderings
Please be noticed that these renderings are just for illustration purposes only. We will put more work on details with EPBT next.
(https://i.loli.net/2020/12/02/DdfJBMjyu1SHcaG.jpg)
(https://i.loli.net/2020/12/03/Z3YjcFJthq5CPyL.jpg)
Thanks to Hineybush, we use most of mx keycap 3D models made by him.
Manufacturer: EPBT
Vendor: kbdfans
GB Date: TBD
History Log:
[2020/11/22]Initial IC was submitted .
[2020/11/29]Manufacturer and Vendor were confirmed.
[2020/12/2]Update renderings.
Post by: hali on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:45:01
Post by: yoot on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:49:17
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:50:01
Post by: Janoma on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:52:10
Looks nice, not really digging the novelties.
Post by: hayt on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:09:50
Post by: nico.psd on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:10:56
Post by: gnho on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:27:53
Post by: mengsicheng on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:36:33
Post by: Fearian on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:15
One problem for me: The R2 Pg Up key for 65 & 75% boards is missing it's corresponding R3 Pg Down! I would like to see a 75% compatible "Home, PgUp, PgDown, End" stack in the extras. Having 3 novelty sets but not supporting 65% feels like this is more concept than function.
Post by: ggggggg on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:42
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:55:09
Post by: Jefff on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:56:35
Post by: packman86 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 11:03:42
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Post by: wolverine92 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:11:05
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Post by: santela on Sun, 22 November 2020, 20:45:58
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Sun, 22 November 2020, 21:03:13
seems like a lot though shrugs
Post by: Dafraz117 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 22:01:42
Id love to see the brown and/or green accents replaced with red or cream or light grey as they are colors he used quite often in his designs. I can only think of the calculator keys being the one time he used brown and a forest green (not a bright green). Red is also quite prominent in his own home office which you can see on YouTube: Maybe I’m wrong though.
One way could be to add mods kit with red or orange legends and a light grey background as light grey is often used in his designs. Not sure if that would look weird or not.
Would love to hear what color the keycaps would be as I think getting the right color would be important for this set. The color chosen reminds me of his 606 universal shelving system which is a nice choice.
Love everything else about the kits great work. I’ll be in for all kits no matter what you decide.
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Post by: EURA on Mon, 23 November 2020, 00:52:25
Post by: santela on Mon, 23 November 2020, 02:42:12
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 23 November 2020, 02:44:42
Would love to see a kit for icon mods or text mods at least, otherwise beautiful work on the set man.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:00:44
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Post by: kohalified on Tue, 24 November 2020, 20:27:14
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Tue, 24 November 2020, 21:22:09
Wonderful looking set, getting all the things the others didn't- and for that I am absolutely looking forward to this set!
Great job and hope to hear more from this thread!
Post by: juice_pouch on Tue, 24 November 2020, 23:22:41
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 November 2020, 04:48:16
Post by: openkeydesign on Sun, 29 November 2020, 09:09:08
This looks pretty good. Any info on manufacturer?
Thank you. We just confirmed the manufacturer.
Post by: openkeydesign on Sun, 29 November 2020, 09:13:43
Really nice design. I do dig the novelties, but I think you will have to show them in situ to sell people on it.
One problem for me: The R2 Pg Up key for 65 & 75% boards is missing it's corresponding R3 Pg Down! I would like to see a 75% compatible "Home, PgUp, PgDown, End" stack in the extras. Having 3 novelty sets but not supporting 65% feels like this is more concept than function.
We will try to improve that next. Thank you for your suggestion.
Post by: openkeydesign on Mon, 30 November 2020, 07:34:43
Extra B for Alice / em7 like layouts pls.
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Extra B will be added.
Post by: mengsicheng on Mon, 30 November 2020, 08:02:17
Post by: LeoZ on Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:04:44
Post by: openkeydesign on Wed, 02 December 2020, 01:52:34
Post by: bansheetango on Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:08:15
Post by: GentooSG on Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:34:38
Personally not the biggest fan of grey on white, but I get the look. I'd go for a different typeface and pick either all symbols or all text for mods.
Post by: Charks! on Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:51:12
Post by: openkeydesign on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:35:33
I think there's some jumble up on the R1,R2 etc indicator in Base kit picture...can you double confirm?
Yes. Thank you. We will make it right in the next version.
Post by: Techlet on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:41:06
Is this an issue with the renders or are the keys meant to be like this?
Post by: openkeydesign on Wed, 02 December 2020, 23:06:37
No EU vendors? :(
Kbdfans could accept orders from EU I think.
Post by: bansheetango on Thu, 03 December 2020, 04:05:00
Post by: spamnyams on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:02:04
Post by: Prestley on Thu, 03 December 2020, 22:29:35
Post by: Convergence on Fri, 04 December 2020, 20:06:40
I do share the sentiment that an EU vendor would be much appreciated, importing can be a nightmare.
Post by: whirlwind on Fri, 04 December 2020, 23:47:08
No EU vendors? :(
Kbdfans could accept orders from EU I think.
What do you mean "you think"?
Did you not try to find any EU vendors for us and by assuming that we can order from KBDfans that will magically solve your problem? Are you aware we pay import tax from vendors such as KBDfans?
If that's the case, I'm voting with my wallet and I will not buy this set I think.
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Post by: PHYLO on Wed, 16 December 2020, 10:07:00
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:28:54
I had some other thoughts last night. Very excited with the idea and a lot of good stuff here. But a few more ideas...Dieter rams was very against using anything that was not needed aka less is more. One of his ten design principles is that it uses as little design as possible. I understand the novelties and less kits are inspired by his other designs but are they betraying his design ethos? For example I don’t think putting a speaker design on a key would be something he would do because it does not involve the function. I also think it would be very unlikely that he would put a quote like “less is more on keys”. I think the idea of novelties in general to dieter would be frowned upon. So I think the less and novelties kits are not in line with his design philosophies if that is your aim. But I see what you were doing by taking his design ideas for things like speakers and putting them on keys. So it depends on what direction you want to go. Finally if you get rid of the novelties(less/novelties) then I think with the other kits capital alphas would seem quite strange as the mods are lower case and I love the the lower case look very cool. Just some more ideas... really excited for this.
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I love the intention of this set as a fellow Dieter fan, but I agree that this could use improvements in terms of aligning with his 10 principles.
I'll offer some thoughts once I grab some coffee..
Post by: nettik on Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:59:09
Do you really need capitalized alphas if everything else is lowercase? I get some people might want all caps, but if literally all the mods are lowercase, the contrast is not going to look nice.
The novelty with six lines (I'm assuming that's a speaker grill or something?) is way too heavy in comparison to the rest of the set. Best example of what I mean is that first picture in your post - if you look at it from a glance, everything else looks the same uniform and pleasing weight except for those caps. It draws too much of your attention. Also the fact that I can't tell what it is tells you it's not a good idea for a novelty. I'm also not personally into the novelties (I keep misreading the 'but better' keycap as butter for some reason) but that might change with more renders.
Are you sure EPBT is the best choice for this set? EPBT caps can be blurry and I don't think it will work well for this font.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:32:36
I do want to preface that I understand this is your interpretation of Dieter Ram's design principles -- it's your creative direction to do it however way you like. There's no right answer, so only take what I say as suggestions. His principles are guidelines, not rules. Great designers break them every day. Design would be boring as hell if there was only one way to do things.
But let's get get to the feedback.
1. Legibility
I think this is the biggest issue with your set right now. I understand the intent to use what I am guessing is Helvetica Neue Light (or even Ultralight) in your legends. But the legibility is incredibly low, even after I expand the image. I'm not a fan of lower case fonts for legends. If you look at the Magic Keyboard from Apple (which is heavily inspired by Rams' work, and also a keyboard I own), they use all-caps + centered legends for alphas. The font weight is also higher, although not as thick as default GMK fonts.
While Helvetica Neue Light/UL is a very aesthetically pleasing weight, it was never intended for great legibility. You'll rarely see it used in places where readability matters (and in legends, it matters). It's often used as an accent font, or in large illustrations.
Suggestion: Capitalize the legends (to increase consistency of legibility) + increase the font weight.
2. Attention to detail
From my cursory look into all your individual sets, I found a few instances where legends aren't properly horizontally and vertically centered. This is something you must fix. For a set inspired by Rams, you really shouldn't be violating "design is thorough down to the last detail".
3. Novelties
I can see you spent a lot of time on the novelties and they look beautiful.
However, I'm personally not a fan of novelties. One of Dieter's design principles (of the 10) is that "design makes a product useful", "design makes a product understandable", and "is unobtrusive". I see that you are borrowing details from some of his most popular products as an homage to his iconic designs, but in doing so, violates those principles because they don't add anything to the design other than as an aesthetic homage. Rams aims not to add design for just the sake of design (such as purely aesthetic choices). There's few reasons to have those design details in the novelties.
Suggestion: Dig deeper into the 10 design principles, and really explore what would make sense as novelties.
4. Color dots
As an opposite, I think the color dots makes sense - they are both aesthetically pleasing and useful. The dots will replace keys that have axillary uses that aren't labeled. They let the user define the utility. It's both aesthetically pleasing and serves as a function. I love them. Good work here.
5. less
This is the one group that I am really not a fan of. The text "less, but better" serves as a complete anti-thesis to what the text itself is trying to say. By adding that text, you aren't introducing less, nor are you adding anything better to the design. Dieter himself would never add text like this into his designs. Never.
Suggestion: Remove this.
6. Manufacturing
Let's say you do choose to go ahead with manufacturing (and it seems like you have, considering you've already chose ePBT), the legibility will be my biggest concern. ePBT is quite flexible when it comes to the type of designs + fonts, so it'll be better for you, but I would order samples of the Helvetica Neue Thin/Ultrathin to make sure the print does not bleed, and/or is legible.
Suggestion: Order samples and make sure readability is emphasized.
7. IC post suggestion
Due to the small font weight + lots of whitespace in your renders -- I found it quite hard to get a read of your keycap set in general. I would reduce the whitespace in your renders more, so people don't have to zoom into each picture as much.
Your hero shot (the first image with all the renders at once) is essentially unreadable even while the image is expanded.
I would personally also take out the "less, but better" in every render. I understand this is the name of your keycap set, but it's a little redundant and even stretches into corniness when overused.
I would also start both a Discord and Instagram account. The former helps you build your community and provide instant updates to your supporters. Instagram helps you build an audience for your set. A design language like this will get you quite a good number of followers if you keep your posts consistent.
Suggestions: Reduce the white space in your renders so us readers can quickly scan your IC post with minimal interaction. Start a community via Discord and IG.
All in all, I think your IC is very very polished. My feedback does not take away the effort + heart you put into this design.
I actually tend to write a lot when I see something that has a lot of potential but can use a bit of a push to become even better. I especially love the small Rams details you included in the IC such as the radio dial-type design details that is signature to his style.
Rams' design principles are like he says.. principles. They're not rules. Some of the best design in the world may not even follow close to Rams' work. It is up to you, the designer, to make these design choices. But since you said you are designing something inspired by Rams, I applied my feedback through the lens of his principles.
Really looking forward to what you do moving forward and any further updates.
GLWIC.
loop @ esc lab
Post by: Jefff on Wed, 16 December 2020, 21:06:26
First of all, kudos for all the effort you put into both the keycap set design + the IC. Lots of attention to detail and illustration efforts.
I do want to preface by me understanding this is your interpretation of Dieter Ram's design principles -- it's your creative direction to do it however way you like. There's no right answer, so only take what I say as suggestions.
1. Legibility
I think this is the biggest issue with your set right now. I understand the intent to use what I am guessing is Helvetica Neue Light (or even Ultralight) in your legends. But the legibility is incredibly low, even after I expand the image. I'm not a fan of lower case fonts for legends. If you look at the Magic Keyboard from Apple (which is heavily inspired by Rams' work, and also a keyboard I own), they use all-caps + centered legends for alphas. The font weight is also higher, although not as thick as default GMK fonts.
While Helvetica Neue Light/UL is a very aesthetically pleasing weight, it was never intended for great legibility. You'll rarely see it used in places where readability matters (and in legends, it matters). It's often used as an accent font, or in large illustrations.
Suggestion: Capitalize the legends (to increase consistency of legibility) + increase the font weight.
2. Attention to detail
From my cursory look into all your individual sets, I found a few instances where legends aren't properly horizontally and vertically centered. This is something you must fix. For a set inspired by Rams, you really shouldn't be violating "design is thorough down to the last detail".
3. Novelties
I can see you spent a lot of time on the novelties and they look beautiful.
However, I'm personally not a fan of novelties. One of Dieter's design principles (of the 10) is that "design makes a product useful", "design makes a product understandable", and "is unobtrusive". I see that you are borrowing details from some of his most popular products as an homage to his iconic designs, but in doing so, violates those principles because they don't add anything to the design other than as an aesthetic homage. Rams aims not to add design for just the sake of design (such as purely aesthetic choices). There's few reasons to have those design details in the novelties.
Suggestion: Dig deeper into the 10 design principles, and really explore what would make sense as novelties.
4. Color dots
As an opposite, I think the color dots makes sense - they are both aesthetically pleasing and useful. The dots will replace keys that have axillary uses that aren't labeled. They let the user define the utility. It's both aesthetically pleasing and serves as a function. I love them. Good work here.
5. less
This is the one group that I am really not a fan of. The text "less, but better" serves as a complete anti-thesis to what the text itself is trying to say. By adding that text, you aren't introducing less, nor are you adding anything better to the design. Dieter himself would never add text like this into his designs. Never.
Suggestion: Remove this.
6. Manufacturing
Let's say you do choose to go ahead with manufacturing (and it seems like you have, considering you've already chose ePBT), the legibility will be my biggest concern. ePBT is quite flexible when it comes to the type of designs + fonts, so it'll be better for you, but I would order samples of the Helvetica Neue Thin/Ultrathin to make sure the print does not bleed, and/or is legible.
Suggestion: Order samples and make sure readability is emphasized.
7. IC post suggestion
Due to the small font weight + lots of whitespace in your renders -- I found it quite hard to get a read of your keycap set in general. I would reduce the whitespace in your renders more, so people don't have to zoom into each picture as much.
Your hero shot (the first image with all the renders at once) is essentially unreadable even while the image is expanded.
I would personally also take out the "less, but better" in every render. I understand this is the name of your keycap set, but it's a little redundant and even stretches into corniness when overused.
I would also start both a Discord and Instagram account. The former helps you build your community and provide instant updates to your supporters. Instagram helps you build an audience for your set. A design language like this will get you quite a good number of followers if you keep your posts consistent.
Suggestions: Reduce the white space in your renders so us readers can quickly scan your IC post with minimal interaction. Start a community via Discord and IG.
All in all, I think your IC is very very polished. My feedback does not take away the effort + heart you put into this design.
I actually tend to write a lot when I see something that has a lot of potential but can use a bit of a push to become even better. I especially love the small Rams details you included in the IC such as the radio dial-type design details that is signature to his style.
Rams' design principles are like he says.. principles. They're not rules. Some of the best design in the world may not even follow close to Rams' work. It is up to you, the designer, to make these design choices. But since you said you are designing something inspired by Rams, I applied my feedback through the lens of his principles.
Really looking forward to what you do moving forward and any further updates.
GLWIC.
loop @ esc lab
Great feedback!
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 16 December 2020, 22:25:37
Post by: ryukomatoi on Mon, 21 December 2020, 15:08:19
I will agree that it may not be easy for ePBT to implement the thin fonts. If it can be executed, then great. If not, I honestly wouldn't mind the legends to be bolder.
I do appreciate the "less but better" concept, however I feel that the design aesthetic doesn't completely follow. My only gripe is the modifiers. When modifiers have both symbols and legends, it just looks too busy in my opinion. To respect the less-but-better concept, I feel that it should only have one or the other, not both. A nice example would be to take a look at ePBT's GoK x BoW keycap set.
Regardless, I look forward to see new renders and sample keycaps. Having mentioned the GoK x BoW set, you can already tell that I'm a sucker for a WS2 white keycaps with CR legends, especially made by ePBT.
Post by: Jacki on Mon, 21 December 2020, 15:12:19
Post by: mrvco on Sun, 27 December 2020, 14:57:18
Post by: geveent on Sun, 27 December 2020, 19:19:01
Post by: Casserole on Sun, 27 December 2020, 21:13:09
Post by: PerforatedBinderPaper on Sun, 27 December 2020, 22:10:00
Post by: Sandy on Wed, 30 December 2020, 22:00:33
Post by: santela on Thu, 31 December 2020, 00:59:22
I have to say, I am still concerned by the thin legends. I am not sure if ePBT will be able to do this level of detail considering their previous issues with regular thickness legends. Regardless, I will be pleasantly surprised if it does actually come out properly. good luck!
Same. Given how thin these lines are, I am pretty doubtful.
Post by: Corruto on Thu, 14 January 2021, 04:36:57
Post by: apophene on Thu, 25 February 2021, 08:59:33
Post by: Capone1423 on Sun, 28 February 2021, 12:52:34
Post by: Extra Fox on Sun, 28 February 2021, 16:14:13
I think Loop did a great job with his suggestions. So the only suggestion I have would be to echo others and say I'd like the letters to be center-center on the keys.
Personally, while I fully appreciate Dieter Rams principles, I do like the novelties.
Post by: kchlam on Sun, 28 February 2021, 19:16:18
Post by: apophene on Fri, 05 March 2021, 13:28:03
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Fri, 05 March 2021, 20:12:07
Post by: yotasan on Fri, 05 March 2021, 20:49:53
Post by: -Jerry- on Sun, 07 March 2021, 16:14:38
Post by: elmo on Mon, 08 March 2021, 07:32:29
Will continue to update renderings
can you perhaps use a decent image hoster?
this right here is a bit weird...
(https://i.imgur.com/tQaBTUt.png)
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 10 March 2021, 03:26:36
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 10 March 2021, 15:46:11
Post by: LordHaveMercy on Wed, 10 March 2021, 19:22:49
My thoughts as well. If you don't want your customers opinions, don't bother to ask.
I got a feeling that Killer is not exactly the one in charge of this layout. That might be why they're not too responsive at this point. Also, I have this general 'feeling' that there might be a slight language barrier with OP, too.
Post by: lewisflude on Thu, 11 March 2021, 06:59:37
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Mon, 15 March 2021, 15:36:47
I was originally quite intrigued by the set but I'll be voting with my wallet that this isn't good behavior.
Good luck with GB nonetheless.
EDIT:
I'm confused. Looking at the non-render layout photos in the GB pages, the legends look like they're not using the Helvetica Light Neue weight, while the renders look like they are.
So which one is it?
Additionally, have you checked if you're allowed to use the "Less, but better" quote without needing to consult Dieter Rams? Not sure if this is trademarked or not.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 17 March 2021, 00:52:13
This one is all but guaranteed to run way behind schedule and/or deliver a sub-par product in the end.
Great idea, but unfortunately I am not willing to tie up anhy more money in risky GBs. Good luck to anyone who wants to join.
Post by: RickHoen on Wed, 17 March 2021, 07:44:07
Not sure why this is not mentioned anywhere: https://candykeys.com/group-buys/epbt-lessbutbetter
Post by: DwieDave on Fri, 19 March 2021, 11:47:38
Now that the Group buy has started:
Is there an official [GB] Thread?
Post by: glibber on Wed, 31 March 2021, 04:30:36
The labelling on the international kit isn't entirely correct in the renders, not sure if it's going into production like that. See my original post here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111989.0).
I have tried to contact the OP about this, but haven't received an answer yet (and don't think I will).
Really sad to see how this thread went in general, I think it's a great looking set.
Post by: gh_pp on Tue, 13 April 2021, 23:56:41
Quote
5. less
This is the one group that I am really not a fan of. The text "less, but better" serves as a complete anti-thesis to what the text itself is trying to say. By adding that text, you aren't introducing less, nor are you adding anything better to the design. Dieter himself would never add text like this into his designs. Never.
I agreed with this 100%.
I think the "less" set with the color accent is essential to make a unique and stand out look to any board, but the "less, but better" text is just completely anti "less, but better". I do like the black novelty included in the "less" set, it is a great addition to complement any design.
Initially I have base + extra + novelty + dots + space bar in my cart.
But I already have a lot of black on white pbt sets, so in the end I just pre-ordered the novelty + dots. (would love the black novelty but can't justify having all the colored keys with text that I won't be using)
I think these two sets are super flexible and can complement any BoW set, I especially like the 2.75 + 2.25 novelty, super useful for split spacebar user !
Looking forward to production and hopefully epbt can overcome the thin font concerns mentioned by others.
Post by: ClerklyTexas on Thu, 22 April 2021, 09:34:28
Post by: Extra Fox on Thu, 22 April 2021, 10:54:03
I can't be certain, but I'm not hopeful there will be updates.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Thu, 22 April 2021, 11:51:07
Post by: LordLootus on Fri, 03 September 2021, 12:19:49
Post by: phxrbn on Fri, 03 September 2021, 12:38:10
EPBT Less But Better
These are in production and should be finishing in the next month or so, then will take about a month and a half of transit.
Estimated shipping date is Q4 2021.
Post by: LordLootus on Fri, 03 September 2021, 14:11:46
Per Kono's update page.
EPBT Less But Better
These are in production and should be finishing in the next month or so, then will take about a month and a half of transit.
Estimated shipping date is Q4 2021.
Ah nice, thanks for sharing that with me buddy.
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Wed, 15 December 2021, 20:05:02
Post by: linneverstops on Wed, 15 December 2021, 23:53:35
Has there been any word on updates and estimated completion dates?
According to updates on Kono Store, it was Q4 2021 delivered. They changed it to Mid Q1 2022 delivered.
Full text:
"Estimated production completion is early January, with about a month and a half of transit. Mid Q1 2022 arrival and shipping to customers."
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Thu, 20 January 2022, 16:50:15
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg) (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Post by: whee74 on Fri, 21 January 2022, 14:09:30
Post by: bosmuis on Fri, 21 January 2022, 16:52:48
The set looks fantastic! Any doubts I had about the thin legends/designs paired with dye-sublimation is no more. Super satisfied with the end product and the novelties are very versatile!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Could you provide a picture in a brighter light? I am thinking of preordering a Mammoth75 from Wuque Studio. I want to use it with the Less But Better set (I already purchased) but I can't choose between the black and e-white variant of the board. I'm worried that if I choose e-white, the color of white of the keycaps is too much off in comparison with the board. Do you possibly have any reference material between e-white and the GMK L9 color of the caps? Thank you in advance!
Post by: nickthaskater on Fri, 21 January 2022, 19:50:34
Post by: DaaDaa on Fri, 21 January 2022, 21:16:16
unfortunately now the shipping has been revised to early Q2. ePBT is really committed to absolutely topping GMK when it comes to covering their customers with feces :D
Post by: dtywill on Fri, 21 January 2022, 22:00:31
I have a mammoth and I put KAT Alpha on it and the whites are indeed a bit different so def worth seeing if this will match. It’s not bad but def differentThe set looks fantastic! Any doubts I had about the thin legends/designs paired with dye-sublimation is no more. Super satisfied with the end product and the novelties are very versatile!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Could you provide a picture in a brighter light? I am thinking of preordering a Mammoth75 from Wuque Studio. I want to use it with the Less But Better set (I already purchased) but I can't choose between the black and e-white variant of the board. I'm worried that if I choose e-white, the color of white of the keycaps is too much off in comparison with the board. Do you possibly have any reference material between e-white and the GMK L9 color of the caps? Thank you in advance!
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Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Sat, 22 January 2022, 09:04:10
The set looks fantastic! Any doubts I had about the thin legends/designs paired with dye-sublimation is no more. Super satisfied with the end product and the novelties are very versatile!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Could you provide a picture in a brighter light? I am thinking of preordering a Mammoth75 from Wuque Studio. I want to use it with the Less But Better set (I already purchased) but I can't choose between the black and e-white variant of the board. I'm worried that if I choose e-white, the color of white of the keycaps is too much off in comparison with the board. Do you possibly have any reference material between e-white and the GMK L9 color of the caps? Thank you in advance!
Unfortunately i’ve got no sets with stock GMK whites nor a board that has an e-white finish. I’ve taken a photo of the Escape keycap from LBB (right) side by side with what I had such as GMK Apollo (left), some apple products, and various switches with white/opaque/cream housings (cream, mauve, HP, U4T).
Hope it’s of some use!
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778112842141925426/934463304829640774/IMG_1716.jpg)
I’ve thrown the set on a matte black board from SwitchCouture temporarily, and intend to pair it with a white/cream board as well or possibly navy!
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778112842141925426/934463861053075506/IMG_1657.jpg)
Post by: bosmuis on Sat, 22 January 2022, 10:44:30
I have a mammoth and I put KAT Alpha on it and the whites are indeed a bit different so def worth seeing if this will match. It’s not bad but def differentThe set looks fantastic! Any doubts I had about the thin legends/designs paired with dye-sublimation is no more. Super satisfied with the end product and the novelties are very versatile!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Could you provide a picture in a brighter light? I am thinking of preordering a Mammoth75 from Wuque Studio. I want to use it with the Less But Better set (I already purchased) but I can't choose between the black and e-white variant of the board. I'm worried that if I choose e-white, the color of white of the keycaps is too much off in comparison with the board. Do you possibly have any reference material between e-white and the GMK L9 color of the caps? Thank you in advance!
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Thank you for your answer. This is what I initially thought. I am a bit of a perfectionist, so I made up my mind and bought the black version of the Mammoth75.
Post by: bosmuis on Sat, 22 January 2022, 11:00:03
The set looks fantastic! Any doubts I had about the thin legends/designs paired with dye-sublimation is no more. Super satisfied with the end product and the novelties are very versatile!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346134220890/IMG_1653.jpg)Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/719985144219303937/933840346650124398/IMG_1654.jpg)
Could you provide a picture in a brighter light? I am thinking of preordering a Mammoth75 from Wuque Studio. I want to use it with the Less But Better set (I already purchased) but I can't choose between the black and e-white variant of the board. I'm worried that if I choose e-white, the color of white of the keycaps is too much off in comparison with the board. Do you possibly have any reference material between e-white and the GMK L9 color of the caps? Thank you in advance!
Unfortunately i’ve got no sets with stock GMK whites nor a board that has an e-white finish. I’ve taken a photo of the Escape keycap from LBB (right) side by side with what I had such as GMK Apollo (left), some apple products, and various switches with white/opaque/cream housings (cream, mauve, HP, U4T).
Hope it’s of some use!Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778112842141925426/934463304829640774/IMG_1716.jpg)
I’ve thrown the set on a matte black board from SwitchCouture temporarily, and intend to pair it with a white/cream board as well or possibly navy!Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778112842141925426/934463861053075506/IMG_1657.jpg)
Thank you so much! This is perfect. The comparison with the Airpods case made my day. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I don't think I would like the 'brighter' or 'cooler' white of the e-white board with the warmer tone of the caps. I ordered the black one. But, the thought of using such a keycap set/color with a navy board isn't a bad one! I will search for the combination for my next board for sure.
Again, thank you for the detailed photo's!
Post by: DaaDaa on Sun, 27 February 2022, 01:27:20
Post by: Caspid on Mon, 28 February 2022, 18:05:09
Not sure how I feel about backspace, tab, and enter not ending in arrows. I think they could still have arrows and maintain the aesthetic.
Icon-only mods would complement the minimalist style very well.
Will this be ABS or PBT?
I'd love a dark version in PBT.
The whole "07. less" novelty section could be done without. It's the opposite of minimal, and much too loud. Same with the color dots; perhaps just a black dot, black square, black diamond, and outline versions.
The novelties are way too busy for me ; disrupts the minimalism.
I guess this was already made and shipped. Oops.
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 28 February 2022, 20:07:56
I like the base set.
Not sure how I feel about backspace, tab, and enter not ending in arrows. I think they could still have arrows and maintain the aesthetic.
Icon-only mods would complement the minimalist style very well.
Will this be ABS or PBT?
I'd love a dark version in PBT.
The whole "07. less" novelty section could be done without. It's the opposite of minimal, and much too loud. Same with the color dots; perhaps just a black dot, black square, black diamond, and outline versions.
The novelties are way too busy for me ; disrupts the minimalism.
I guess this was already made and shipped. Oops.
lol it is indeed a little too late to feedback on the design but you can still buy the base kit on kono, they have a few left.
I am very curious to see how many base kits was produced.
Post by: ShaunnyBoy on Wed, 02 March 2022, 14:02:08
Post by: stomaha on Sat, 05 March 2022, 08:52:20
Post by: modeseven on Sun, 06 March 2022, 00:14:13
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Some kits of these keycaps set have not arrived at our warehouse, so we have not shipped the GB orders. Please be patient, it will not take long. We will email you after shipped your order.
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 06 June 2022, 17:19:12
Post by: Jung on Thu, 21 July 2022, 20:58:59
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These keycaps had production issues and while it was produced earlier in the year, there were issues with keycaps and specific kits that needed to be replaced and remade.
This extended the delivery time for a few vendors, including Daily Clack, by many months.
From what I understand, the fix kits are finished and are being sent to us with the main kits in the coming months.
Looks like it'll be a while, folks.
Post by: TekNiq on Fri, 22 July 2022, 00:00:36
Post by: Yung Thelonious on Fri, 22 July 2022, 00:49:05
Post by: Jung on Wed, 28 September 2022, 23:42:00