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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 14 July 2020, 15:38:04 »
I really love this set. any staggered 40s support avail?

TJ?! Are you back into SA again?!


But also, yes, this set is great. Any updates?


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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 22 July 2020, 08:32:19 »
I like this color!

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 22 July 2020, 21:16:45 »
But also, yes, this set is great. Any updates?

We will have a big one soon with updated kits, colors, and renders.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 24 July 2020, 07:58:45 »
Can we get an R3 "0 /" key for the bottom row in the ortho kit to make it work with only 4u tall ortho layouts like the planck?

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 14:59:47 »
A ton of updates! With the big ones being:
  • Finalizing the colors, especially the blue keycaps (Now Pantone 2392C)
  • Introduced Triump Alphas for a more standard colorway
  • Included an option for a more modern layout for the grey keys that feature the integrated numpad

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:02:58 »
Can we get an R3 "0 /" key for the bottom row in the ortho kit to make it work with only 4u tall ortho layouts like the planck?

We just put out a more modern layout for the grey numpad keys; this may be something we can add. Let us think about it
« Last Edit: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:14:41 by FRANCO »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:24:06 »
Can we get an R3 "0 /" key for the bottom row in the ortho kit to make it work with only 4u tall ortho layouts like the planck?

Updated the Ortho kit with an additional 0 / key in R3 =)

edit: we're thinking of including this in the standalone kit along with some additional keys
« Last Edit: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:48:40 by FRANCO »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:29:17 »
I really love this set. any staggered 40s support avail?

Staggered 40s support is under consideration; but to be honest, we wanted to see how people would take to this initial set first before considering some of the more niche kits

May consider doing a separate poll though to gauge interest in a staggered 40s kit!

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:35:02 »
I really love this set. any staggered 40s support avail?

Staggered 40s support is under consideration; but to be honest, we wanted to see how people would take to this initial set first before considering some of the more niche kits

May consider doing a separate poll though to gauge interest in a staggered 40s kit!

Very cool! SA allows for a little easier 40s coverage I think since the bottom row is same as homerow profile wise. Stop by the 40s discord and we can point you in the right direction if you decide to kit something up

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 15:53:24 »
Very nice changes. I think R3 0 could also be part of the modern numpad kit, but I like the inclusion in Ortho a lot.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 16:17:07 »
I really love this set. any staggered 40s support avail?

Staggered 40s support is under consideration; but to be honest, we wanted to see how people would take to this initial set first before considering some of the more niche kits

May consider doing a separate poll though to gauge interest in a staggered 40s kit!

Very cool! SA allows for a little easier 40s coverage I think since the bottom row is same as homerow profile wise. Stop by the 40s discord and we can point you in the right direction if you decide to kit something up


Appreciate it! Just joined!

Very nice changes. I think R3 0 could also be part of the modern numpad kit, but I like the inclusion in Ortho a lot.

haha we literally just changed that kit to include as well. We went ahead and kept the R3 0 key in the Ortho kit for Planck users.

In case they aren't interested in the modern numpad kit, they still get to use the 0 key if they so choose
« Last Edit: Tue, 28 July 2020, 16:21:40 by FRANCO »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 29 July 2020, 15:45:16 »
Can we get an R3 "0 /" key for the bottom row in the ortho kit to make it work with only 4u tall ortho layouts like the planck?

Updated the Ortho kit with an additional 0 / key in R3 =)

edit: we're thinking of including this in the standalone kit along with some additional keys

Modern numpad layout and bottom 0 makes this incredibly, incredibly exciting

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 02:23:23 »
Please please add the additional UK ISO to the Base or ISO set.  This is a superb retro set but those few additional keys would make a big difference.

p.s. I love the PROG keys, really cool touch and will look superb on a BOCC or Rama Zenith or the upcoming J-01 v2.
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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 11:13:38 »
1.75u space is only used on a few staggered 40% boards and nowhere else. To be exact, the keyboards it's used on are: Vortex Core, JD40/JD45 (the latter requires 2× 1.75u).

If this set isn't going to have staggered 40% support, the 1.75u spacekey can be removed from the Split Spacebars kit. Actually, it should be removed from this kit either way.

I would recommend adding a 1u spacekey instead, which is useful for Alice (2.25u+1u left space configuration) and similar ergo boards.

A second 3u space might also be worth your consideration. There are indications that 3u+1u+3u will be a popular split space setup in the near future.
« Last Edit: Fri, 21 August 2020, 15:48:34 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 12:06:16 »
I really love this set. any staggered 40s support avail?

Staggered 40s support is under consideration; but to be honest, we wanted to see how people would take to this initial set first before considering some of the more niche kits

May consider doing a separate poll though to gauge interest in a staggered 40s kit!

Very cool! SA allows for a little easier 40s coverage I think since the bottom row is same as homerow profile wise. Stop by the 40s discord and we can point you in the right direction if you decide to kit something up


Let me just take some time to address staggered 40s support...

Franco and I will investigate what will be needed for a comfortable level of support. TBH however, I am not inclined to offer it due to the downtrend in popularity of SA ever since SA Carbon R2. Recently, we saw SA Sunday Morning's Ortho/40s kit fail to reach MOQ, and my own set, SA SAIL's 40 Extension kit had to be bought out with over 50% of its MOQ coming from vendor extras. This is not a burden I would want to place on vendors moving forward.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 12:47:48 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.
« Last Edit: Fri, 31 July 2020, 12:50:03 by tominabox1 »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 13:42:36 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 15:54:46 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:

1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:14:55 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:
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1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

How many layouts would this cover though and how many more layouts would it cover with a R2 1.75u Backspace?

TBH, I'm not a fan of breaking up the kits like this. I would rather add the needed keys to the Extension kit (1.25u Shift and 1.75u Backspace) and keep the ISO kit as is.
« Last Edit: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:19:45 by Fredington »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:25:26 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:
Show Image


1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

How many layouts would this cover though and how many more layouts would it cover with a R2 1.75u Backspace?

TBH, I'm not a fan of breaking up the kits like this. I would rather add the needed keys to the Extension kit (1.25u Shift and 1.75u Backspace) and keep the ISO kit as is.

This would cover the most popular staggered 40% layouts, and adding the backspace would allow you to cover Minivan which there's thousands of in the wild. 

So in summary you're considering adding the 1.25u shift, 1.75u backspace to the Extension kit? I think that would be OK I guess.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:30:51 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:
Show Image


1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

How many layouts would this cover though and how many more layouts would it cover with a R2 1.75u Backspace?

TBH, I'm not a fan of breaking up the kits like this. I would rather add the needed keys to the Extension kit (1.25u Shift and 1.75u Backspace) and keep the ISO kit as is.

This would cover the most popular staggered 40% layouts, and adding the backspace would allow you to cover Minivan which there's thousands of in the wild. 

So in summary you're considering adding the 1.25u shift, 1.75u backspace to the Extension kit? I think that would be OK I guess.

I suppose they could also be added to the Split Spacebars kit if it's only 2 keys. I did something similar with SA SAIL.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:32:32 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:
Show Image


1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

How many layouts would this cover though and how many more layouts would it cover with a R2 1.75u Backspace?

TBH, I'm not a fan of breaking up the kits like this. I would rather add the needed keys to the Extension kit (1.25u Shift and 1.75u Backspace) and keep the ISO kit as is.

This would cover the most popular staggered 40% layouts, and adding the backspace would allow you to cover Minivan which there's thousands of in the wild. 

So in summary you're considering adding the 1.25u shift, 1.75u backspace to the Extension kit? I think that would be OK I guess.

I suppose they could also be added to the Split Spacebars kit if it's only 2 keys. I did something similar with SA SAIL.

You'd need 2 r3 1.5u keys for Minivan support as well if you did that with your current kitting.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 31 July 2020, 19:39:46 »
I looked over the kits again and I think with the non-standard legends, you could easily piece together a staggered 40s compat set with the extras and space bar kits, and wouldn't even look out of place, really the only thing I'd think would really put it over the top is if you added 1.75u r2 backspace somewhere.

On second thought, if you move the 1.75u "lower shift" key from extension to the base kit, it would be pretty good coverage without needing to buy that whole set for one key.

Can you elaborate? Are you saying there's already physical 40s support in the existing kits and one or two keys just need to be moved around to optimize support?

Here's an example:
Show Image


1.75u shift from Extension kit (outlined red), and  1.25u shift from ISO (magenta) and the split bars (green).  Those are the only 3 keys needed. For the size of the kit, I would think it would be nothing to put the shift and the whole ISO kit in the base. Then all we'd have to buy as staggered 40s users would be the split bars.

How many layouts would this cover though and how many more layouts would it cover with a R2 1.75u Backspace?

TBH, I'm not a fan of breaking up the kits like this. I would rather add the needed keys to the Extension kit (1.25u Shift and 1.75u Backspace) and keep the ISO kit as is.

This would cover the most popular staggered 40% layouts, and adding the backspace would allow you to cover Minivan which there's thousands of in the wild. 

So in summary you're considering adding the 1.25u shift, 1.75u backspace to the Extension kit? I think that would be OK I guess.

I suppose they could also be added to the Split Spacebars kit if it's only 2 keys. I did something similar with SA SAIL.

You'd need 2 r3 1.5u keys for Minivan support as well if you did that with your current kitting.

I guess that's the rub. Minivan support would require 5 keys added to the spacebar kit, which I don't know if I'm comfortable with because now it looks like SA SAIL's spacebar kit, which as I mentioned earlier, need more than 50% of its MOQ bought out. I think we could do the 2 shift keys comfortably, though.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 05:20:42 »
Let me just take some time to address staggered 40s support...

Franco and I will investigate what will be needed for a comfortable level of support. TBH however, I am not inclined to offer it due to the downtrend in popularity of SA ever since SA Carbon R2. Recently, we saw SA Sunday Morning's Ortho/40s kit fail to reach MOQ, and my own set, SA SAIL's 40 Extension kit had to be bought out with over 50% of its MOQ coming from vendor extras. This is not a burden I would want to place on vendors moving forward.

I recommend taking a look at SA Skyriter's 40s kit as a reference: it's executed quite well, covering a lot of boards while staying fairly small. For example, it has full support for the most popular staggered 40% layouts when combined with the mods kit, as well as nearly full Minivan support; and it supports ortho boards without needing to buy regular mods. One thing to keep in mind when looking at that kit is that some of the key choices are tied to that set's particular mods kit, but you ought to be able to adapt it to your base kit without too much trouble. As always, I'm available on Discord if you'd like to consult, and I'm sure cijanzen would also be happy to help.
« Last Edit: Sun, 02 August 2020, 05:24:37 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:27:27 »
Let me just take some time to address staggered 40s support...

Franco and I will investigate what will be needed for a comfortable level of support. TBH however, I am not inclined to offer it due to the downtrend in popularity of SA ever since SA Carbon R2. Recently, we saw SA Sunday Morning's Ortho/40s kit fail to reach MOQ, and my own set, SA SAIL's 40 Extension kit had to be bought out with over 50% of its MOQ coming from vendor extras. This is not a burden I would want to place on vendors moving forward.

I recommend taking a look at SA Skyriter's 40s kit as a reference: it's executed quite well, covering a lot of boards while staying fairly small. For example, it has full support for the most popular staggered 40% layouts when combined with the mods kit, as well as nearly full Minivan support; and it supports ortho boards without needing to buy regular mods. One thing to keep in mind when looking at that kit is that some of the key choices are tied to that set's particular mods kit, but you ought to be able to adapt it to your base kit without too much trouble. As always, I'm available on Discord if you'd like to consult, and I'm sure cijanzen would also be happy to help.

The skyrider kit is OK, would suggest an R4 up key though if it were adopted to this set.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 01:13:31 »
Would you consider a 9u spacebar and an upside-down ISO enter with the legends "ERROR RESET" for an OG kit?

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 05:17:41 »
Would you consider a 9u spacebar and an upside-down ISO enter with the legends "ERROR RESET" for an OG kit?
That would be sick but I doubt it would meet MOQ

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 06:08:04 »
solid set  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 22:26:46 »
This is so rad. The source material is so cool.

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 19:22:41 »
Any idea on a GB launch date?



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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:07:03 »
1. GB pls ;_;
2. I really like the Modern Integrated Numpad kit, but I think it needs a white R1 symbol key to replace the R1 '0' key for those who would use the bottom row '0' key like myself

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:49:17 »
very similar to scientific without the yello accent colour tho

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 06:11:58 »
very similar to scientific without the yello accent colour tho

bruh where is this in any way similar to Scientific lol  :confused:

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 27 September 2020, 19:54:46 »
I am so in. 

Offline WhitePlate

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 29 September 2020, 19:45:39 »
I'm in

Offline Muramasa

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 16:32:55 »
I'm 100% in, hope this GB happens!
       

Offline Langelandia

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 11:12:22 »
bump because WTB

<3

Offline Fredington

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Re: [IC] SA 8010 (7/28 Update! Triumph Alphas and Modern Grey Numpad)
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:23:32 »
bump because WTB

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Appreciate the interest! Franco's been slammed with life (new house and renovations), so he's passed this off to me. I'm currently reviewing the kits to make sure they're as GB-friendly as possible. Expect a new IC soon!