RedScarf III (USA ONLY!)

[blighty]

How many people joined the buy/total orders?  Thanks for doing this!  I wouldn't of had the patience to go through a taobao agent for this...

[iamtootallforthis]

Bummed I missed this, but don't have the money.

[IvanIvanovich]

20 people, one board each. Since there wasn't as many orders as I had guessed, odds are I should be fine to do 10 or so people's assembly.

[iamtootallforthis]

20 people, one board each. Since there wasn't as many orders as I had guessed, odds are I should be fine to do 10 or so people's assembly.

Now I'm really bummed haha

[Bromono]

I ordered one before you started this group buy. but it wont ship till the 10th of feb =(

[sethk_]

20 people, one board each. Since there wasn't as many orders as I had guessed, odds are I should be fine to do 10 or so people's assembly.

To my knowledge the boards already come with smd parts pre-soldered right?

[digi]

To my knowledge the boards already come with smd parts pre-soldered right?

correct

[sethk_]

To my knowledge the boards already come with smd parts pre-soldered right?

correct

Cool, I am not confident enough to do smd parts so that is great that I only have to do leds and switches

[azhdar]

I ordered one before you started this group buy. but it wont ship till the 10th of feb =(

I did the same and since Ivan was US only it's fine . But I go an extra 40 days delay for the lower top part u_u .

[Bromono]

We will also need stabilizers for this. no?

[jdcarpe]

We will also need stabilizers for this. no?

Yes, if you don't already have stabilizers on hand. Cherry PCB mount.

[azhdar]

We will also need stabilizers for this. no?

Yes, if you don't already have stabilizers on hand. Cherry PCB mount.

With the plate aren't we supposed to use Plate mount stabs ?

[Bromono]

sooo... where do I buy those 0.0

[jdcarpe]

We will also need stabilizers for this. no?

Yes, if you don't already have stabilizers on hand. Cherry PCB mount.

With the plate aren't we supposed to use Plate mount stabs ?

Nope, plate is designed with holes for clearance of PCB mounted stabilizers, as are most Korean designs.

Where to buy stabilizers? That's a good question. Look for Cherry part number G99-0224 for 2-unit stabs.

[Bromono]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

[jdcarpe]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

If you use the plate. But that is optional. Otherwise PCB mount are fine with or without a plate.

[digi]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

If you use the plate. But that is optional. Otherwise PCB mount are fine with or without a plate.

JD, so with pcb mount switches, do they still fit snug into the plate but minus the clips that snap into the plate? If they fit just as well, it would almost make more sense to get pcb mount switches for easy removal? thanks

[Bromono]

I did buy the plate. So I'll buy plate mounted then. Do you know if the plate is notched at all?

[feizor]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

Whenever the PCBs have the little holes for the plastic pegs on the PCB mount switches, I would prefer to use PCB mount switches, more stability and stays in place better when assembling.

[digi]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

Whenever the PCBs have the little holes for the plastic pegs on the PCB mount switches, I would prefer to use PCB mount switches, more stability and stays in place better when assembling.

Looks like this pcb does have the holes:

[feizor]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

Whenever the PCBs have the little holes for the plastic pegs on the PCB mount switches, I would prefer to use PCB mount switches, more stability and stays in place better when assembling.

Looks like this pcb does have the holes:

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Picture link doesn't work for me.

[digi]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

Whenever the PCBs have the little holes for the plastic pegs on the PCB mount switches, I would prefer to use PCB mount switches, more stability and stays in place better when assembling.

Looks like this pcb does have the holes:

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Picture link doesn't work for me.

I got the pic from KBDMania so it might be hosted in Korea, are you Country CIDR blocked or something possibly?

EDIT - i uploaded it to imgur for ya just in case =)

[feizor]

Thanks, yep you are right, the two little black holes on each side of the main hole (the ones without the electrical contact pads) are the holes I'm talking about where the pegs of the PCB mount switches fit in.

The little stablising pegs are the only difference between PCB and plate mount switches AFAIK.

Edit: misread your first post.

[jdcarpe]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

If you use the plate. But that is optional. Otherwise PCB mount are fine with or without a plate.

JD, so with pcb mount switches, do they still fit snug into the plate but minus the clips that snap into the plate? If they fit just as well, it would almost make more sense to get pcb mount switches for easy removal? thanks

PCB mount switches snap into the plate exactly the same as plate mount switches do. The only difference at all are the two little plastic pegs on the bottom housing that fit into the holes in the PCB.

You can always use a plate, regardless of whether the PCB supports PCB mount switches or plate mount switches. If the PCB supports plate mount switches only (as in the JD40, or most production PCBs, you would need to clip off the two plastic pegs from the switch to allow a PCB mount switch to be installed. But since the Red Scarf III PCB supports PCB mount switches, you can use either. If you use PCB mount switches, you can use a plate, but it's not required.

Clear as mud? Thought so.

[digi]

Just to verify. Plate mount switches. Correct?

If you use the plate. But that is optional. Otherwise PCB mount are fine with or without a plate.

JD, so with pcb mount switches, do they still fit snug into the plate but minus the clips that snap into the plate? If they fit just as well, it would almost make more sense to get pcb mount switches for easy removal? thanks

PCB mount switches snap into the plate exactly the same as plate mount switches do. The only difference at all are the two little plastic pegs on the bottom housing that fit into the holes in the PCB.

You can always use a plate, regardless of whether the PCB supports PCB mount switches or plate mount switches. If the PCB supports plate mount switches only (as in the JD40, or most production PCBs, you would need to clip off the two plastic pegs from the switch to allow a PCB mount switch to be installed. But since the Red Scarf III PCB supports PCB mount switches, you can use either. If you use PCB mount switches, you can use a plate, but it's not required.

Clear as mud? Thought so.

good to go, thanks mang.

[byker]

Thanks for clarifying it all JD! 

[azhdar]

Damn so I just bought Plate mounted for nothing .
Gon has PCB mounted.

[taylordcraig]

Clarified further:

All PCBs will work with EITHER PCB or Plate mount switches.
If you PCB only "supports" Plate mount you'll have to cut the legs on your PCB mount switches to get them to fit.
You can always use a plate on any kb so long as the case allows room.

Edit: If someone decides they don't have time to build this, or want to sell theirs kit or built, Hit Me UP (HMU)
Please.

[Bromono]

I am going plate mounted. I don't plan on switching out springs any time soon. 62g Ergos will have to do. But what I would like to know if the plate is notched. I would like to do a SIP socket mod on it.

[SpAmRaY]

I am going plate mounted. I don't plan on switching out springs any time soon. 62g Ergos will have to do. But what I would like to know if the plate is notched. I would like to do a SIP socket mod on it.

There is a photo of the plate in the OP and it looks like it is not notched.

[jdcarpe]

I know this keyboard isn't Korean, it's Chinese, but it seems to follow Korean keyboard design philosophy.

- Plate optional. All switches and stabilizers can be PCB mounted.
- Plate uses large holes for stabilizers, to allow for clearance of the PCB mounted stabilizers, but not for plate mounting stabilizers.
- Plate uses standard square Cherry MX switch holes, with no openings for switch cover removal.

[IvanIvanovich]

Yes, PCB mount stabs only for sure. The plate clearly doesn't support plate mount types. As for switch, unless you already have plate mount on hand to use up, I would strongly recommend to choose PCB mount. Even with plate, PCB mount type will add extra help to ensure they are installed in proper alignment which may be important in some areas where the plate won't hold all 4 side of switch.

[Bromono]

Yes, PCB mount stabs only for sure. The plate clearly doesn't support plate mount types. As for switch, unless you already have plate mount on hand to use up, I would strongly recommend to choose PCB mount. Even with plate, PCB mount type will add extra help to ensure they are installed in proper alignment which may be important in some areas where the plate won't hold all 4 side of switch.

I am going to have Thechemist do a lot of the work on the keyboard since he did such an amazing job on my poker. this is what he said.

"Well plate and pcb are the same, the only thing they differ is two legs on the pcb mount switch. If your keyboard supports both, the pcb mount will be more sturdy since the two legs insert into the pcb and also get supported by the plate. The only drawback is pcb / plate design / precision, if your plate is offset just a bit the plate mount can compensate for the difference but if you use the pcb mount switches they insert very tightly into the pcb and may cause clearance problems / alignment issues, just an fyi."

[jdcarpe]

Yes, PCB mount stabs only for sure. The plate clearly doesn't support plate mount types. As for switch, unless you already have plate mount on hand to use up, I would strongly recommend to choose PCB mount. Even with plate, PCB mount type will add extra help to ensure they are installed in proper alignment which may be important in some areas where the plate won't hold all 4 side of switch.

I am going to have Thechemist do a lot of the work on the keyboard since he did such an amazing job on my poker. this is what he said.

"Well plate and pcb are the same, the only thing they differ is two legs on the pcb mount switch. If your keyboard supports both, the pcb mount will be more sturdy since the two legs insert into the pcb and also get supported by the plate. The only drawback is pcb / plate design / precision, if your plate is offset just a bit the plate mount can compensate for the difference but if you use the pcb mount switches they insert very tightly into the pcb and may cause clearance problems / alignment issues, just an fyi."

Yep, he knows. That's exactly right.

[digi]

Yes, PCB mount stabs only for sure. The plate clearly doesn't support plate mount types. As for switch, unless you already have plate mount on hand to use up, I would strongly recommend to choose PCB mount. Even with plate, PCB mount type will add extra help to ensure they are installed in proper alignment which may be important in some areas where the plate won't hold all 4 side of switch.

I am going to have Thechemist do a lot of the work on the keyboard since he did such an amazing job on my poker. this is what he said.

"Well plate and pcb are the same, the only thing they differ is two legs on the pcb mount switch. If your keyboard supports both, the pcb mount will be more sturdy since the two legs insert into the pcb and also get supported by the plate. The only drawback is pcb / plate design / precision, if your plate is offset just a bit the plate mount can compensate for the difference but if you use the pcb mount switches they insert very tightly into the pcb and may cause clearance problems / alignment issues, just an fyi."

Good to know. I guess we'll have to wait and see how close the plate lines up to the pcb before buying switches, huh.

[Bromono]

Yes, PCB mount stabs only for sure. The plate clearly doesn't support plate mount types. As for switch, unless you already have plate mount on hand to use up, I would strongly recommend to choose PCB mount. Even with plate, PCB mount type will add extra help to ensure they are installed in proper alignment which may be important in some areas where the plate won't hold all 4 side of switch.

I am going to have Thechemist do a lot of the work on the keyboard since he did such an amazing job on my poker. this is what he said.

"Well plate and pcb are the same, the only thing they differ is two legs on the pcb mount switch. If your keyboard supports both, the pcb mount will be more sturdy since the two legs insert into the pcb and also get supported by the plate. The only drawback is pcb / plate design / precision, if your plate is offset just a bit the plate mount can compensate for the difference but if you use the pcb mount switches they insert very tightly into the pcb and may cause clearance problems / alignment issues, just an fyi."

Good to know. I guess we'll have to wait and see how close the plate lines up to the pcb before buying switches, huh.

Ivan is right that PCB are more sturdy. So you can wait to see if in lines up if you want, but I want all my stuff made asap. So I just ordered the plate mounted ones.

[jdcarpe]

Ivan is right that PCB are more sturdy. So you can wait to see if in lines up if you want, but I want all my stuff made asap. So I just ordered the plate mounted ones.

Sort of.

I've never noticed any lack of stability or sturdiness with switches mounted to a plate and soldered into a PCB.

[digi]

Ivan is right that PCB are more sturdy. So you can wait to see if in lines up if you want, but I want all my stuff made asap. So I just ordered the plate mounted ones.

Sort of.

I've never noticed any lack of stability or sturdiness with switches mounted to a plate and soldered into a PCB.

That's a good point. I would prefer to use PCB switches if I know that the plate lines up perfectly but TheChemist really brought up a great point. If it's off slightly, pcb mounted switches might cause more pain than it's worth.

[Bromono]

How close is this keyboard in size comparison to a normal TKL? asking because Noko is making a wrist rest soon and I need to tell her the size.

[digi]

How close is this keyboard in size comparison to a normal TKL? asking because Noko is making a wrist rest soon and I need to tell her the size.

If its near the same size of a Lightsaver (which I believe it is), a TKL wrist rest should work fine. I used a Filco TKL wrist rest with my Lightsaver V2 and it was perfect.

[Joey Quinn]

How close is this keyboard in size comparison to a normal TKL? asking because Noko is making a wrist rest soon and I need to tell her the size.

Back when I had a Code my Lightsaver was only about .5in longer.

[ApocalypseMaow]

If anyone needs to sell their order, I'm your guy!!! xD

[taylordcraig]

If anyone needs to sell their order, I'm your guy!!! xD

NO I AM!

[IvanIvanovich]

I have one extra... if someone wants to pick this up it would be great. Please post here so everyone knows it's been claimed. First come, first serve with immediate payment.
1 8mm kit silver, no plate, grey feet.

[taylordcraig]

Got it!

[Sygaldry]

Got it!

Lol that was pretty quick.

Gone before I even saw Ivan had an extra 

[Shanghaied]

Anyone know if the manual for this has been posted anywhere yet? Bought this through a Taobao proxy and have been twiddling my thumbs waiting for it to arrive.

[azhdar]

Anyone know if the manual for this has been posted anywhere yet? Bought this through a Taobao proxy and have been twiddling my thumbs waiting for it to arrive.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31260

Hopefully he'll come back with a manual soon

I mailed him about it .

[Shanghaied]

Anyone know if the manual for this has been posted anywhere yet? Bought this through a Taobao proxy and have been twiddling my thumbs waiting for it to arrive.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31260

Hopefully he'll come back with a manual soon

I mailed him about it .

Yeah I saw that, but just wanted to start planning before the board arrives. Though I guess I'll have plenty of time since it will ship on the 10th of February, awaiting the arrival of the bezel. Fingers crossed that this won't get caught up and delayed by the the huge logistical mess that is the Chinese New Year.

Also, I didn't see this mentioned anywhere else on the English-speaking internet, but the seller says on enjoyclick (Chinese mech board) that the PCB is compatible with what I assumed to be lightsaver II case (duck96 he called it), except for the location of one screw. Should be interesting.

[minh278]

Kinda early but, any chance of a round 2 soon? or anyone got a spare?