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Offline Fire Brand

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1400 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 14:33:30 »
Techkeys will be carrying some GirlDC in the near future.
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1401 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:13:54 »
Techkeys will be carrying some GirlDC in the near future.

That's awesome!
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1402 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:29:44 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1403 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 21:15:55 »
Techkeys will be carrying some GirlDC in the near future.

NOICE!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1404 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 21:32:54 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

Imagine how I feel.... T_T
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1405 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 21:35:35 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

Imagine how I feel.... T_T

Have you tried messaging GirlDC and asking if there is a chance to get you one? He's a pretty awesome guy.

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1406 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:49:06 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

Imagine how I feel.... T_T

Have you tried messaging GirlDC and asking if there is a chance to get you one? He's a pretty awesome guy.

He said it's too late :( GB was over a long time ago
I do have the old metal trooper in black though (Suppose to have two but one got lost in the mail)

but I thought there will be new colors coming (camo), which I'm pretty sure there will be.... and it interest me...
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1407 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:50:42 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

Imagine how I feel.... T_T

Have you tried messaging GirlDC and asking if there is a chance to get you one? He's a pretty awesome guy.

He said it's too late :( GB was over a long time ago
I do have the old metal trooper in black though (Suppose to have two but one got lost in the mail)

but I thought there will be new colors coming (camo), which I'm pretty sure there will be.... and it interest me...

Awe, that sucks!

girlDC, would you do a GB again on GH if you're allowed?

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1408 on: Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:52:38 »
I have 3 silver troopers I would sell - PM me if interested.

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1409 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 00:33:36 »
Bummed I didn't get in on the trooper group buy

Imagine how I feel.... T_T

Have you tried messaging GirlDC and asking if there is a chance to get you one? He's a pretty awesome guy.

He said it's too late :( GB was over a long time ago
I do have the old metal trooper in black though (Suppose to have two but one got lost in the mail)

but I thought there will be new colors coming (camo), which I'm pretty sure there will be.... and it interest me...

Awe, that sucks!

girlDC, would you do a GB again on GH if you're allowed?

Sure!
That is my most pleasure^^
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1410 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 00:45:24 »
Got some pretties today! Very beautiful caps! The white cap was a gift from a very generous creator :D

Sadly the flower didn't survive his first press, one stem fell off :( luckily he still sits fine :)

These pics are not great, will take better soon. I cannot truly show off how great they look on led caps.

Thanks so much for selling me these caps GirlDC, always looking forward to what you'll create in the future!





That is so pitty that one stem is out of flower...
In next your order, please mention this, friend.
I will put one surprise for you.
Thank you^^
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1411 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:07:53 »

Got some pretties today! Very beautiful caps! The white cap was a gift from a very generous creator :D

Sadly the flower didn't survive his first press, one stem fell off :( luckily he still sits fine :)

These pics are not great, will take better soon. I cannot truly show off how great they look on led caps.

Thanks so much for selling me these caps GirlDC, always looking forward to what you'll create in the future!





That is so pitty that one stem is out of flower...
In next your order, please mention this, friend.
I will put one surprise for you.
Thank you^^

Thanks man :)


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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1412 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 05:50:03 »
 ;D
Oh, yeah!!
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1413 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 05:51:15 »
Long time no see, Iron Man?
Here it is! ;D
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1414 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 08:50:59 »

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1415 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 12:26:57 »
Long time no see, Iron Man?
Here it is! ;D

Wow, he looks so classy in those colors ;)

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1416 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 23:17:12 »
:eek:
PEZ!! reminds me of my childhood.
Is that a dispenser with a cherry switch?!

Yep!  'have dremel, will mod! :cool:


A PEZ mod, first time seeing one.
Its ingenious  :thumb:

Got some pretties today! Very beautiful caps! The white cap was a gift from a very generous creator :D

Sadly the flower didn't survive his first press, one stem fell off :( luckily he still sits fine :)

These pics are not great, will take better soon. I cannot truly show off how great they look on led caps.

Thanks so much for selling me these caps GirlDC, always looking forward to what you'll create in the future!




Daaaayuuuuuuum! call me jelly <3

Long time no see, Iron Man?
Here it is! ;D

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1417 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 07:46:00 »
Darth vader and a storm trooper together! ;D

New year just started with new mind.
How are you guys?
I had wonderful lunar calendar new year holiday with work...
From tomorrow I will be in a new office at downtown.
All the Geekhacks are welcomed at any time.

wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1418 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 14:13:34 »
Darth vader and a storm trooper together! ;D

New year just started with new mind.
How are you guys?
I had wonderful lunar calendar new year holiday with work...
From tomorrow I will be in a new office at downtown.
All the Geekhacks are welcomed at any time.



Love it!  Happy New Year friend!
I'm back.

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1419 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 06:58:53 »
 ;D happy new year!

I watched a lot of movies during holiday.
One of them was..ironman1,2.
It is still interesting movie.
What did you guys do now a days?
Special movie?
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1420 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 06:59:35 »
;D happy new year!

I watched a lot of movies during holiday.
One of them was..ironman1,2.
It is still interesting movie.
What did you guys do now a days?
Special movie?

wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1421 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 14:47:32 »
Hope you're enjoying new year. And lots of food :p
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1422 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 15:30:36 »
Darth vader and a storm trooper together! ;D

New year just started with new mind.
How are you guys?
I had wonderful lunar calendar new year holiday with work...
From tomorrow I will be in a new office at downtown.
All the Geekhacks are welcomed at any time.

I need that Storm Trooper .....  NEED

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1423 on: Wed, 04 March 2015, 01:03:12 »
It is cold again in Korea.
Spring is coming late because of winter.
do you remember 'GUNDAM RX-78'?
Here they are!
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1424 on: Wed, 04 March 2015, 01:04:48 »
Gundam!! They're so nice...
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1425 on: Wed, 04 March 2015, 01:24:07 »
 ;D
My little niece read this book from yesterday.
She cannot read it. She is just 10months...
but listen from her mother.
Anyway, this cute picture make my heart warm and cozy.
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1426 on: Tue, 10 March 2015, 09:02:54 »
Hi, guys! ;D
It's been a while...
I was and am busy to work to make a figure.
There will be a party for famouse Japanese DJ
at Itaewon in Seoul.
I was invited to promote my stuff.
Anybody in Korea, are all welcomed.

Spring is not ready but we have flower!
^^
« Last Edit: Wed, 11 March 2015, 19:08:57 by girldc »
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1427 on: Fri, 13 March 2015, 16:54:13 »
Pulled the trigger on a Gold Punisher to match my BB.







Here is his mate.




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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1428 on: Fri, 13 March 2015, 17:00:58 »
That numpad looks damn good!
People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

The dumber the reason the more it must be done

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1429 on: Fri, 13 March 2015, 21:35:09 »
Pulled the trigger on a Gold Punisher to match my BB.

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Here is his mate.

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Very bling ;)

Have you considered swapping the red and orange UMads?
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1430 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 10:25:29 »
rowdy  - I just swapped them after reading your suggestion, much better, thanks.

This is why I usually only wear blacks/greys/dark blues haha

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1431 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 19:46:53 »
Hi, guys! ;D
It's been a while...
I was and am busy to work to make a figure.
There will be a party for famouse Japanese DJ
at Itaewon in Seoul.
I was invited to promote my stuff.
Anybody in Korea, are all welcomed.

Spring is not ready but we have flower!
^^


welcome back!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1432 on: Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:37:56 »
 ;D hey guys!

Lots of good feed back from the party.
You guys can check it in my FB or Instagram.
Working is always good!
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1433 on: Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:23:28 »
;D hey guys!

Lots of good feed back from the party.
You guys can check it in my FB or Instagram.
Working is always good!

OMG BEAUTIFUL NUJABES FIGURE! You got to hang out with Shing02??? Jealous TT
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1434 on: Sun, 19 April 2015, 08:35:55 »
;D hey guys!

Lots of good feed back from the party.
You guys can check it in my FB or Instagram.
Working is always good!

This is so genuine. I love it! My son is actually named after Jun Seba. :D

Jun would've loved to see this. I like your work especially that gold and black Gundam. :thumb:

PS: How was Shing02 like? I've been listening to him for so many years now. He seems like a real down to earth and dope guy.

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1435 on: Sun, 19 April 2015, 10:31:54 »
Got my storm troopers yesterday and my GDC collection is starting to grow!
I was drooling over them ever since Ive seen prototypes on KBDLab and now in my possesion I can honestly say they're better than I thought.


Gotta catch 'em all!!
The black one has a dark grey tone to the color, it would have been better darker for the general mass but just right for my needs.
The white one is a milky white, not too bright of a color, just right for the color scheme.
The red one is misleading... under bright light it looks pink but while shaded it looks like it's dark red.
And the transparent ones resembles gummy bears, transparent red being my personal favorite  :D


He claims he gives each a finishing touch after receiving them from the manufacturer.
And as expected... the detail in GDC's work is apparent even in his plastic line, a solid piece of artwork.


The black trooper is a perfect color match with GMK Dolch(Special thanks to ZEAL) and the casing on the 660c(Nova mod).
Considering MX stems on the Novatouch sliders are a bit looser than original cherry's stems, the troopers give a snug fit.
So I expect the them to be a tight fit on MX switches.

I dont have the OG metallic trooper so its hard to make a comparison between the two, but thats next on my list  ;)
Hopefully more members here can get their hands on these troopers from retailers in the states or GDC's website (coming soon!).

A family shot <3

Wish I can make an army behind Darth Vader  :p
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1436 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 05:26:00 »
Now work.
comming soon.
thx bros~
wanna have it?
can make it!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1437 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 09:05:59 »
Now work.
comming soon.
thx bros~

Damn that looks sick!
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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1438 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 09:36:44 »
Got my storm troopers yesterday and my GDC collection is starting to grow!
I was drooling over them ever since Ive seen prototypes on KBDLab and now in my possesion I can honestly say they're better than I thought.

Show Image

Gotta catch 'em all!!
The black one has a dark grey tone to the color, it would have been better darker for the general mass but just right for my needs.
The white one is a milky white, not too bright of a color, just right for the color scheme.
The red one is misleading... under bright light it looks pink but while shaded it looks like it's dark red.
And the transparent ones resembles gummy bears, transparent red being my personal favorite  :D

Show Image

He claims he gives each a finishing touch after receiving them from the manufacturer.
And as expected... the detail in GDC's work is apparent even in his plastic line, a solid piece of artwork.

Show Image

The black trooper is a perfect color match with GMK Dolch(Special thanks to ZEAL) and the casing on the 660c(Nova mod).
Considering MX stems on the Novatouch sliders are a bit looser than original cherry's stems, the troopers give a snug fit.
So I expect the them to be a tight fit on MX switches.

I dont have the OG metallic trooper so its hard to make a comparison between the two, but thats next on my list  ;)
Hopefully more members here can get their hands on these troopers from retailers in the states or GDC's website (coming soon!).

A family shot <3
Show Image

Wish I can make an army behind Darth Vader  :p

Dat was nice collection bowji :thumb:

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1439 on: Wed, 22 April 2015, 16:27:10 »
Now work.
comming soon.
thx bros~

Awesome! Looks great man!

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1440 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 02:33:46 »
Looks greaaaat! Glad you're back.

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1441 on: Thu, 23 April 2015, 06:15:34 »
Now work.
comming soon.
thx bros~

Darth Homer?

Bwahahahahhahahaha :))
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Offline mylove1431

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1442 on: Tue, 28 April 2015, 23:28:32 »
Look lovely

On waitting your cap release ...... :thumb:
Just A little Bear

Offline beehatch

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1443 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 14:39:01 »




Whalebro!

blub blub blub blub

Offline girldc

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1444 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 16:10:42 »
Show Image


Show Image


Whalebro!

blub blub blub blub

Looks good~!
wanna have it?
can make it!

girldc

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Offline girldc

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1445 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 16:12:22 »
sample~
comming soon
wanna have it?
can make it!

girldc

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Offline hwood34

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1446 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 18:39:58 »
sample~
comming soon
maximum neeeed
IV KWK Info Thread & KBK Info Thread IV (out of date)

Old GBs: Gateron Switches (2015) | CF-LX R1 (2015) | CF-LX R2 (2017) | CF-LXXX (2017) | Gen.s Gem Caps (2015)

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Offline girldc

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1447 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 07:50:30 »
color sample
wanna have it?
can make it!

girldc

www.girldc.com

Offline Halverson

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1448 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 07:53:44 »
color sample

Very cool! Black one is most badass :)

Offline hwood34

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Re: Post your girldc caps!
« Reply #1449 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 09:16:17 »
x-post

IV KWK Info Thread & KBK Info Thread IV (out of date)

Old GBs: Gateron Switches (2015) | CF-LX R1 (2015) | CF-LX R2 (2017) | CF-LXXX (2017) | Gen.s Gem Caps (2015)

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"