[IC] Aluminum/Stainless Steel Plates for Pokers

[The_Beast]

How much interest is there for a plate to make your poker plate mount? The plates will be lazer/laser cut with a tolerance of +/- .002"



I got a quote a month back for a TKL plate. It was $25 for a single plate, of .063" 5052 aluminum. So I can assume it's going to be cheaper than $25 since it's smaller. The only thing that I'm worried about is it being .063" instead of the .060" that costar stabilizers need to function properly.


Count: ~10

[sth]

whoa is that price including the cuts? color me interested. could also go with costar stabilizers instead and get them from WASD, or just do PCB mounted cherry stabilizers.

[The_Beast]

Yup, TKL sized plate with all the cut for $25. That was a quote for one plate too, he did mention price points where it would drop, but he didn't give exact numbers where they break. I can only assume a poker would be even cheap since there is less machine time and less material.

[Halverson]

I'd be interested in one or two!

[alaricljs]

Just a quick review.... the really tight thickness and hole tolerances are necessary for Costar stabs.  Cherry stabs are a bit more forgiving.  If the PCB is drilled for PCB mount then *nothing* matters.  The switches are very forgiving on tolerance variance and PCB mount is how all the Korean boards go because it's easier to stick with 1 part (and maybe availability) since they do thick acrylic plates, alu plates and no plate.

[The_Beast]

Just a quick review.... the really tight thickness and hole tolerances are necessary for Costar stabs.  Cherry stabs are a bit more forgiving.  If the PCB is drilled for PCB mount then *nothing* matters.  The switches are very forgiving on tolerance variance and PCB mount is how all the Korean boards go because it's easier to stick with 1 part (and maybe availability) since they do thick acrylic plates, alu plates and no plate.

Fixed, I got them mixed up ^___^

[sth]

honestly, while i think it would be really neat to give the option for costar, pokers already come with pcb mounted cherry stabilizers so that might be the best way to go.

[The_Beast]

honestly, while i think it would be really neat to give the option for costar, pokers already come with pcb mounted cherry stabilizers so that might be the best way to go.

Option added. My on concern with that is cherry stabilizers are meant to be stuck into PCB which I'm guessing is a different thickness than .063". So we get a thinner plate or have to drill/counter drill to the right thickness so that the cherry stabilizers will work. Or am I wrong?

[Halverson]

Everything I have is pretty much cherry, so that's my vote

[alaricljs]

eruh?  Cherry PCB stabs are what are on the poker, you give a rectangular clearance around it in the plate and you're done.  It could by acrylic thick enough to go from the PCB all the way up.  I am thousands of miles from home so I can't compare the plate/PCB Cherry stab mounts, but the PCB mount *should* fit through the plate mount hole without issue.  The funky shaped Cherry cutout is only needed for plate mount.

[sth]

oooh i'm not sure. but the stabilizers don't really need to go all the way into the mount on the keycap, just far enough for it to be even.

[The_Beast]

eruh?  Cherry PCB stabs are what are on the poker, you give a rectangular clearance around it in the plate and you're done.  It could by acrylic thick enough to go from the PCB all the way up.  I am thousands of miles from home so I can't compare the plate/PCB Cherry stab mounts, but the PCB mount *should* fit through the plate mount hole without issue.  The funky shaped Cherry cutout is only needed for plate mount.

Gottcha, I didn't think of that

[alixinhzai]

yeah, I like it ... but I can't find 0.063" alu on my city (

[alaricljs]

.060 is spec for Cherry plates, can you find that? 

[The_Beast]

.060 is spec for Cherry plates, can you find that? 

Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of Costar again. So does the plate thickness really matter for Cherry plates?

[alaricljs]

Well, Cherry plate mount stabs and all their switches have a retention mechanism that is designed for .060 plates.  But it's plastic... so there's a whole lot more leeway than they are specifying.  Even with a perfect thickness plate it's not hard to shove a switch out of the plate if you really mean to.  For the ultimate solid build, use PCB mount switches and a plate.  I've tested a Cherry plate mount stab in a Phantom plate and it's pretty tough getting it out since the hole dimensions are spot on.  You need to rotate the stab out the same way it goes in, trying to do it straight will never work.

[Cindori]

I want a Race plate mount! If its possible, im in.

[skeaono]

I'm in if colour anodizing is included.

[Icarium]

I'd take one.

[jdcarpe]

I'm in. Especially if they are sanded and anodized after cutting, like the Phantom plates.

[alixinhzai]

yeah, i like bot phantom and poker alu anod plate

[zyth3x]

I would probably take two.

[Cindori]

I'LL TAKE 10

[kaiserreich]

I am interested depending on the final cost.

But cherry stabs gets my vote

[The_Beast]

I'm in if colour anodizing is included.

Hmm, the only place I know that does anodizing has a $500 setup fee

[sth]

well depending on interest the setup fee can be mitigated pretty easily... 500 is not a lot when you're talking group buy costs.

[The_Beast]

well depending on interest the setup fee can be mitigated pretty easily... 500 is not a lot when you're talking group buy costs.

I only see around 20 plates right now, that's $25 per plate just in setup charges ie not including the plate or the fee to actually anodize

[Cindori]

well depending on interest the setup fee can be mitigated pretty easily... 500 is not a lot when you're talking group buy costs.

I only see around 20 plates right now, that's $25 per plate just in setup charges ie not including the plate or the fee to actually anodize

..I joked about the 10, u knew that right?

Can you really not find another anodizer?  Not that anodizing is a dealbreaker for me though.

If I want a plate for my race, what would you need from me?

[TheProfosist]

If your interested in stainless steel i can get them done though it probably near double the quote for aluminum.

[The_Beast]

If you wanted a race plate, I would need a .dwg file of the plate exactly how you want it.


My guy can do stainless too, but I haven't asked him how much those would be. I'll ask him once I send him the final plate design.

[sth]

hmm i wonder if there's a way to make one that is compatible with both poker and pure? maybe leave the right shift non-platemounted (just leave a hole there)? that's not really a great compromise though...

[TheProfosist]

If you wanted a race plate, I would need a .dwg file of the plate exactly how you want it.


My guy can do stainless too, but I haven't asked him how much those would be. I'll ask him once I send him the final plate design.

i was told deep discount for more orders as last time I just ordered 2

Also just noticed your location... interest in where your ordering from I posted where I got mine in another thread.

[The_Beast]

If you wanted a race plate, I would need a .dwg file of the plate exactly how you want it.


My guy can do stainless too, but I haven't asked him how much those would be. I'll ask him once I send him the final plate design.

i was told deep discount for more orders as last time I just ordered 2

Also just noticed your location... interest in where your ordering from I posted where I got mine in another thread.

I would say but this guy mostly fills orders for companies and doesn't really venture into doing parts for individuals that often (he's doing me a favor). The only reason I know about him is because I work for a company that orders from him and I work with his dad. I don't really want the whole of GH bothering him with questions.

I will say this outright, I will be making a small profit on these plates (on shipping or per plate, idk yet) and I'll tell you guy exact how much I'll be charging extra. I don't think it would be fair if I hid that stuff so I'm not going to

[TheProfosist]

Alright sounds close to how i got my plates but the company i went with will do smaller orders at higher cost if you contact the though the normally contacting route.

[The_Beast]

Alright sounds close to how i got my plates but the company i went with will do smaller orders at higher cost if you contact the though the normally contacting route.

Yea, I think he is doing it at a "friend price" which is good for everyone since it's cheaper for everyone.

[TheProfosist]

Alright sounds close to how i got my plates but the company i went with will do smaller orders at higher cost if you contact the though the normally contacting route.

Yea, I think he is doing it at a "friend price" which is good for everyone since it's cheaper for everyone.

agreeed

[The_Beast]

*le update:

I sent my guy an email asking for a quote, here's what I sent him:
"It's me Ben again. Could you quote me a price for about 20 of the attached drawing (hatched is the plate area is the plate I need) using .063" 5052-h32 aluminum with that +/- .002" tolerance. Could you also tell me how much one plate would be, I want to test one out before buying 20 of them? Lastly, could you quote me on how much that same plate would be in stainless steel with the same thickness (near .060" thick)/tolerances?"


I'll upload the plate DWG when I get home, I don't like uploading stuff in the schools CAD lab

[The_Beast]

Here's a screenshot:


Here's the file:
https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Poker%20Plate.dwg?w=7b1d771f


I think any changes we do need to make to the plate will be at a very minimal increase in price. I'm sure my guy is gone for the weekend by now so I should have a quote price by Monday.

[alixinhzai]

it have issus on spacebar... distance from sw spacebar to PCB only ~3mm T_T and u need flip horizontal this stabilizer

this my file, I will cut it this morning... if it exact, I'll share T_T

[The_Beast]

it have issus on spacebar... distance from sw spacebar to PCB only ~3mm T_T and u need flip horizontal this stabilizer

this my file, I will cut it this morning... if it exact, I'll share T_T

(Attachment Link)

Thanks a ton, like I said I just wanted to get this out to the guy so I can get a quote for price. The difference between your plate and my plate in terms of pricing, I think, would me very minimal.

[DarkShot]

How did I not see this thread.

I'm interested in one, and my vote is going to fitting it with the cherry stabs.

On a side note, do we need plate mount specific switches as well or could we use the switches that are on the board already?

[alaricljs]

The difference between plate and PCB mount is 2 plastic pins sticking out of the bottom of the switch housing.  There is no issue plate mounting a PCB mount switch as long as you either have holes in the PCB to deal with the pins (like KMAC) or cut the pins off (the plastic ones!!).

[The_Beast]

he got back to me about 1/2 hour ago, here it goes:

September 24, 2012

Dear Ben,

Thank you for your request for quote.

Poker Plate .063” Alum.
1-2 pieces are $21.18 each.
20 pieces are $9.78 each.

Poker Plate 16ga SS
1-2 pieces are $22.29 each.
20 pieces are $10.99 each.

Tolerances for these parts are + or – 0.002”

This will be reviewed when an order is placed. Prices as quoted will remain in effect for 14 days. Quantity and or design changes will be reviewed and may require a price revision. Tolerances will be as follows: Holes  +/- .007”, Part geometry +/- .010”.
Again, thank you for this opportunity to quote your parts. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at any time.

The only thing that concerns me is the "Holes  +/- .007”, Part geometry +/- .010”" part

[alaricljs]

I'm thinking that was a cut-n-paste standard form he sent you.  Would have made more sense to erase the conflicting bits tho.

[The_Beast]

I'm thinking that was a cut-n-paste standard form he sent you.  Would have made more sense to erase the conflicting bits tho.

I think so too, but prices are amazing, especially for the stainless steel. I think TheProfosist paid $60 for two stainless plates.

[xavierblak]

This is interesting. I don't have a poker at the moment but I was thinking about getting one to swap out some keys and maybe give the ghetto greens a try.

How much work would it be to install the plate. Would you just have to pop-off the keycaps and put the plate over it? Or is it more involved than that?

[sth]

i am so down for stainless steel AND aluminum, esp. at those prices.

[The_Beast]

I don't mind ordering both, but we might not reach certain price breaks if there is only 3 stainless plates which of course = more expensive

[sth]

well... i am committed to helping at least the aluminum get to the price break. i might still be into a stainless plate at ~$20 though.

[The_Beast]

I think I'll be going with stainless.


What do you guys think is a fair markup for these (% or $ per plate idk)? What would be the best way to ship these? Any other concerns before I start the GB? I'd like to start and have this done so I can ship around thanksgiving since I'll be home and will be able to pick up the plates (the laser shop is close to where I live) and get packing materials ready.


Right now I' thinking of packing them using a hardboard backer and wrapping them in packing paper. I'm also waiting for alixinhzai to send me his plate design. The one I sent for a quote looks right but alixinhzai is going to buy one and test it out (thanks a ton BTW)

[sth]

maybe you should request that this be moved to Group Buys for the IC. you'd get a lot of interest that way - im sure more than enough to get the stainless plates to $10.

[jdcarpe]

Personally, for about the same price, I would rather have the stainless than aluminum. But I'll go with whichever gets the orders.

[The_Beast]

maybe you should request that this be moved to Group Buys for the IC. you'd get a lot of interest that way - im sure more than enough to get the stainless plates to $10.

Everyone should still be able to see this thread even if it isn't in the IC/GB section. Would I have to run the GB in the GB section or in my vendor forum? (I don't think it would make a difference but I'll do whatever)

Personally, for about the same price, I would rather have the stainless than aluminum. But I'll go with whichever gets the orders.

Honestly I think everyone would rather have stainless than aluminum considering it's only ~ $1 more at the 20 plate price bracket.


I asked before but:
What do you guys think is a fair markup for these (% or $ per plate idk)? What would be the best way to ship these? Any other concerns before I start the GB? I'd like to start and have this done so I can ship around thanksgiving since I'll be home and will be able to pick up the plates (the laser shop is close to where I live) and get packing materials ready.

[sth]

well i just think more people probably check GB more than they check your vendor subforum, not including those of us die-hard enough to camp the spy all day. no offense

if feng still does his buys in GB then you should be able to do the same thing more or less.

[DarkShot]

Personally, for about the same price, I would rather have the stainless than aluminum. But I'll go with whichever gets the orders.

I would too and I think a good handful of people would.

Also just to reiterate, they were just gonna be plain, untreated/coloured plates and nothing more? Doesn't bother me either way.

[The_Beast]

well i just think more people probably check GB more than they check your vendor subforum, not including those of us die-hard enough to camp the spy all day.

if feng still does his buys in GB then you should be able to do the same thing more or less.

Then I'll put it in the GB section ^____^

Personally, for about the same price, I would rather have the stainless than aluminum. But I'll go with whichever gets the orders.

I would too and I think a good handful of people would.

Also just to reiterate, they were just gonna be plain, untreated/coloured plates and nothing more? Doesn't bother me either way.

Yup, I'm not even sure what kind of stainless it is or what # polish it has. I'll ask when I send my guy another email

[DarkShot]

Awesome.

Here's hoping things go smoothly.

Gonna vote on who wants Cherry or Costar stabs?

[The_Beast]

Awesome.

Here's hoping things go smoothly.

Gonna vote on who wants Cherry or Costar stabs?

I think everyone decided that since pokers ship with cherry, we're going to go with cherry

[DarkShot]

Allrighty. Figured I'd double check.

[The_Beast]

Stainless will be "2b Finish and T304". 300 series stainless is the most common so we shouldn't have any major concerns about that.

Example of a 2b finish

[The_Beast]

I PM'ed alixinhzai about his tested plate design, once he gets back to me about whether or not it worked, I'll start the GB. I'm thinking a flat rate of $40 mostly to cover gas but also for time to run order, print postage, all that jazz (If I don't get that many orders I'll lower this to just gas money). I'm going to be shipping in a padded flat rate priority envelope for $5.10 plus whatever it needs to ship so it doesn't bend (I'm thinking a mdf or hardboard backer) and I don't know how much international would be since USPS doesn't like do quote prices online for international orders. I want the plates to be done before thanksgiving so I can pick them up while I'm home and ship shortly thereafter.


I'm thinking since the stainless isn't that much more than aluminum and won't require anodizing/powder coating/painting that that's the only option I'm going to run with. If you really want aluminum I can do that too but don't expect a lower price since I'm guessing everyone is going to go with stainless.


Any question or concerns with anything?

[TheProfosist]

Yea i paid $50 each for 2 phantom plates.

[The_Beast]

Phantom plates are bigger but not $40 bigger

[Halverson]

I think shipping to Canada at least would be fairly cheap.

[TheProfosist]

Agreed, i also didnt get friend price...

[sth]

ouch, i definitely can't do two if they're going to be marked up to twice the production cost. maybe one.
i don't get where the extra $10 or so per plate comes in for gas, or why you cant just have the plates shipped to you (heavy, I understand, but should be cheaper than gas if the markup needs to be that high?). Also, if it makes it cheaper for them to ship them to you, I would definitely not say no to an aluminum plate.

I'm not saying you dont have the right to charge what you think is fair, but doubling the cost seems drastic at first and I'm just curious about where that money is going.

[The_Beast]

^^^^ No, $40 total for the whole thing. NOT per plate. Think of it like a legend fee where it's baked into the everyone cost. If we got 20 plates it would be $2 per plate, 40 plates would be $1 per plate......

I think shipping to Canada at least would be fairly cheap.

My guess would be $10 since my rest ship for $14. But those are bigger and weight more. But again this is just a guess.

Agreed, i also didnt get friend price...

True that, you also didn't order in a decent quantity

[TheProfosist]

True that, you also didn't order in a decent quantity

Correct i was told that if i would order more prices would go steadily down.

[alixinhzai]

fit perfect Stainless Steel plate

[sth]

OH




DUH

yeah that makes more sense Thanks for clarifying.

[The_Beast]

^^ sound fair in terms of price? like I said if we only get 5 orders, that isn't much to deal with so I'd just do just gas, no time. But I'm thinking we'll get at least 20 orders


BTW alixinhzai got back to me. He has a design for both cherry or costar stabs. I'm going to run with cherry this time since it require no additional $$$ to buy more stabs. If we want to do a costar one later, I would have no problem running that one also. OR if we want to do costar this time, cherry later...... I could even run both this time but then I don't think we'll get a nice price break like if we just ordered one style.

[DarkShot]

Wonderful.

These shouldn't cost an arm and a leg assuming there's enough interest.

When you open the GB thread tomorrow, definitely count me in.

[sth]

yeah that sounds way fair, like I said I thought the price was going up a lot more across the board

[The_Beast]

Wonderful.

These shouldn't cost an arm and a leg assuming there's enough interest.

When you open the GB thread tomorrow, definitely count me in.

Should be up sometime tomorrow or the next day once I get the dwg, get some rule set up..... BTW how do you setup a google form to take orders? I've only done the PM order system because I was only dealing with a couple orders for wrist rest. I think a google form would save me some time on this one.

yeah that sounds way fair, like I said I thought the price was going up a lot more across the board

KK cool ^___^

[alixinhzai]

it's plate universal stab u can insert  cherry or costa stab what u like.

it's on milimeter T_T if u want to use inchs T_T convert it by scale decrease 25.4 times

 plate poker universal.rar (58.23 kB - downloaded 195 times.)

[The_Beast]

it's plate universal stab u can insert  cherry or costa stab what u like.

it's on milimeter T_T if u want to use inchs T_T convert it by scale decrease 25.4 times

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Shouldn't matter. The guy takes the dwg and just tells the laser to run it, I don't think units matter as long as it's 1:1. But I'll ask just to make sure.

[alixinhzai]

Can u creat a alu anodized one? I don't like steel's surface after laser cut, it have many traces of  burnt :|

[The_Beast]

Can u creat a alu anodized one? I don't like steel's surface after laser cut, it have many traces of  burnt :|

I can get aluminum plates but I'm not sure where I can get them anodized cheaply



edit: I sent a request for a quote to the place with the $500 setup fee. Hopefully that setup fee only applies to the 25' aluminum bars the company I work for sends them and not these plates. I should hear back from them tomorrow.

[alixinhzai]

oh, thank u w8 & w8

[The_Beast]

oh, thank u w8 & w8

Thanks a ton alixinhzai, you saved me some time giving me the final plate design instead of me having to mod other plate designs. Plus it's been tested which is icing on the cake

Congrats on the wedding too ^_____^

[WhiteFireDragon]

Is it too late to maybe throw in some more ideas? Can we please try to make it fit PURE also? Production of pokers are starting to die out and being replaced with PURE, so I would think only old poker owners will be able to take advantage of this. There is only one change that needs to be made for it to fit pure (the right shift). The computer file could be easily modified if it's just this one change.

If there is enough interest in anodizing aluminum, I might be able to do it in my garage. All the steps (without cutting corners) in the anodizing processes is pretty labor intensive, but I'd be willing to step up to the plate to do it for these types of custom projects. Btw, pun was intended there haha.

[alixinhzai]

thank The_Beast

@whitefire, I can help but I don't have any PURE   can make plate for both poker and pure

[The_Beast]

hmm i wonder if there's a way to make one that is compatible with both poker and pure? maybe leave the right shift non-platemounted (just leave a hole there)? that's not really a great compromise though...

Hmmm.... I think we could make a compromise for the pure but I'm not sure it would be worth it. I would have no problem running another GB for a pure plate if someone provided a dwg.

Thanks for offering the anodizing service. I sent out a quote and we'll see what they say. However, I'm thinking stainless will be more popular since it shouldn't require any additional finishing unless you want to polish it yourself. I also did notice that my laser guy offers powder coating, so that may be an option

[Halverson]

I'll be happy with whatever it gets decided on. But if it could be coloured green or purple now....that would be just spectacular.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Just curious, why do you guys want anodizing? Anodizing has 2 purposes: color and prevents surface oxidation. Getting a custom color is a good reason to go with anodized aluminum, but then again, it's just a plate that goes under the cap, and hardly any of the color will show. If you want anodizing to enhance and "harden" the surface, then just go with stainless steel instead.

I want the plate for the feel of the switches. I could care less about color or strength differences between steel vs aluminum.

PS- this thread should be moved to the GB section. I didn't even know it existed until today.

[modulor]

I'm definitely interested in one stainless steel Poker plate...if I understand ali correctly, the example design will accept cherry and costar stabilizers?  It would be awesome to have the option to try costar on a Poker for those that wanted to

[The_Beast]

Just curious, why do you guys want anodizing? Anodizing has 2 purposes: color and prevents surface oxidation. Getting a custom color is a good reason to go with anodized aluminum, but then again, it's just a plate that goes under the cap, and hardly any of the color will show. If you want anodizing to enhance and "harden" the surface, then just go with stainless steel instead.

I want the plate for the feel of the switches. I could care less about color or strength differences between steel vs aluminum.

PS- this thread should be moved to the GB section. I didn't even know it existed until today.

I think most people would want anodizing for color not hardening. However I think it would be hard for everyone to settle on a single color.

I'll be running this GB in the GB section. I always use new post so I see every new post, but I think some people just camp the GB section for new post and miss ones that are posted in a vendor sub-forum.

We have 2 options, run this and have an order submitted on November 1st. This is preferred but it's cutting things close if we do choose anodizing. Or we can wait a bit more and have this done around x-mas.

[alixinhzai]

I can w8

[alaricljs]

Be aware that powder coating will screw with your tolerances since it's usually a pretty thick coat of stuff.

[Cindori]

 alixinhzai, you dont happen to have any Race? :X

[The_Beast]

Be aware that powder coating will screw with your tolerances since it's usually a pretty thick coat of stuff.

Yup, I was thinking he could powder coat before cutting, but I doubt he would do that so I don't think I'm even going to ask


BTW I got a reply back on my anodizing place. They needed a color code to run the quote so I asked if they could do light bronze, black and a nice copper color:

[Anynoupy]

Oh, I didn't see that thread before.
Definitely in for one, I'm not picky, so whatever will be decided is fine with/to me

[The_Beast]

Oh, I didn't see that thread before.
Definitely in for one, I'm not picky, so whatever will be decided is fine with/to me

I had the boss (kawa move it)

I didn't get a reply from the anodizing place yet, I'll send them another email. However I just don't see the point of getting the cheaper aluminum and then having it anodized which I'm sure would raise the price to above what the stainless would be. I think the 2B finish looks fine, but it's also a nice starting point if you wanted to polish it or give it a brush stainless look.


Once I get stuff ironed out and final, I'm hoping to start the GB on Friday, and have the order submitted by November 1st.

[danielucf]

I'd be in for a pure if you have one made. If my current pure in my super thick oneproduct case was plate mounted it would weigh even more and I think it already weighs more than my FC700R TKL which is a pretty solid keyboard in it's own right.

[The_Beast]

I'd be in for a pure if you have one made. If my current pure in my super thick oneproduct case was plate mounted it would weigh even more and I think it already weighs more than my FC700R TKL which is a pretty solid keyboard in it's own right.

I don't have a pure, but if someone were to provide me with a dwg or dimensions, I would have NO problem running another GB for that plate.

[wiredPANDA]

Just ordered my Poker this week from MechanicalKeyboards.com. Count me in for one.

[balanar]

I would be probably be in for one as well.

[The_Beast]

Just ordered my Poker this week from MechanicalKeyboards.com. Count me in for one.

I would be probably be in for one as well.

Sweet, I'd like at least 20 orders, but more never hurts the price ^____^

[sth]

i wonder if it might just be easier to cut away the right shift area and increase the size of the cutout by 1-2mm around the edges? the idea being that the right shift would not be platemounted, and would leave ample room for pure shift+fn. it's not the most elegant solution but honestly 2 keys max out of 63-64 that are not platemounted probably won't make a huge difference.

[The_Beast]

i wonder if it might just be easier to cut away the right shift area and increase the size of the cutout by 1-2mm around the edges? the idea being that the right shift would not be platemounted, and would leave ample room for pure shift+fn. it's not the most elegant solution but honestly 2 keys max out of 63-64 that are not platemounted probably won't make a huge difference.

I think I'm just going to put my foot down and go with a poker only plate. Like I've said before I don't have a pure but if someone were to provide a dwg or some dimensions, I would gladly run a pure, a race, a tkl, a fullsize........ plate GB anytime someone wants one.


Steel isn't easy to cut but maybe someone with a pure could mod the plate to something like you described sth

[WhiteFireDragon]

Would moding the plate to fit PURE after it has already been cut for a poker, even work? The switch would work, but the stabilizer placement of the right shift might be a problem.

[sth]

Would moding the plate to fit PURE after it has already been cut for a poker, even work? The switch would work, but the stabilizer placement of the right shift might be a problem.

if you cut it out it wont matter. the stabilzers that come with your pure/poker are already PCB mounted so the lack of material on the board won't make a difference..

[The_Beast]

Would moding the plate to fit PURE after it has already been cut for a poker, even work? The switch would work, but the stabilizer placement of the right shift might be a problem.

You would basically be making a cut out for the 1x1 key and the smaller shift and because of that they wouldn't be plate mount anymore.


Maybe my guy can cut the all the poker plates, then just make a cutout for the pure's 1x1/shift using a modifed poker plate dwg. But I'm not sure if he would count that as two different parts and not give a quantity discount.

[jdcarpe]

Most Pures that people currently own are the backlit models, correct? I think it would be a huge pain in the ass to have to desolder all the LEDs as well as all the switches to do the plate mod for the Pure. Hence the reason for only going with Poker plates for now.

[The_Beast]

Most Pures that people currently own are the backlit models, correct? I think it would be a huge pain in the ass to have to desolder all the LEDs as well as all the switches to do the plate mod for the Pure. Hence the reason for only going with Poker plates for now.

Didn't think of that but that's another very valid point

[Magna224]

I would probably be in for one. My poker is almost perfect now the plate was the last piece.

[TDub]

At these prices I am definitly in for at least 2! Can you ship internationally?

[The_Beast]

At these prices I am definitly in for at least 2! Can you ship internationally?

I will be but I'm not sure how much shipping will be. I guessing but I think it will be less than $10

[alixinhzai]

if can anod alu, I'm in for 1 silver for poker and 1 silver for filco =))

[The_Beast]

if can anod alu, I'm in for 1 silver for poker and 1 silver for filco =))

I'm not sure if I can or not. The place I emailed about a quote hasn't gotten back to me yet


Plus I'm still thinking stainless is the way to go

[nebo]

if can anod alu, I'm in for 1 silver for poker and 1 silver for filco =))

Is this going to be for filco tkl as well?!? Either way I'd be in for a poker, don't have one yet but want one eventually and this kind of stuff never seems to happen twice.

[The_Beast]

if can anod alu, I'm in for 1 silver for poker and 1 silver for filco =))

Is this going to be for filco tkl as well?!? Either way I'd be in for a poker, don't have one yet but want one eventually and this kind of stuff never seems to happen twice.

No, this current one will not be for a filco. This first one will be for the poker


But like I've said many times before, if you want me to run a plate (race, pure, tkl, fullsize, custom....) I'll run it as long as a dwg file is provided.

[oneproduct]

I'd be in for one for sure and probably two even since I have two pokers. It would be a good excuse to start leaning to solder.

[The_Beast]

I'd be in for one for sure and probably two even since I have two pokers. It would be a good excuse to start leaning to solder.

GGGGOOOOOODDDDD ^___^ more order = cheaper for everybody


The anodizing place got back to me, light bronze and black have a minimum setup fee of $500 and the copper was $600 . If someone really want aluminum I'll order it but you'll need to find someone else to anodize it and you're probably not going as good as a price break since I'm going to lead/focus more on stainless

[Acanthophis]

Will the plate feature those nice cutouts like the Phantom ones? So you can swap switches without desoldering?
If not, is it feasible and affordable?

What price range are we currently facing?
Do you ship internatioanally? If not, to Canada?

Colour me interested, but decision depends on your answers

[alaricljs]

From the look of the prototype it seems that would be a yes (to the top bit, he's already mentioned intl shipping as well... and the price range)

[oneproduct]

The anodizing place that I used for my aluminum poker cases didn't have any setup fees, just MOQs (~$90 per color, with the only selection begin red, blue, gold, silver). If the price of anodizing is a big issue I could check. Only thing is that I'm in Canada, but I don't imagine that shipping all the plates together would be horribly expensive if that was needed. Anodizing was about $12 or so for a poker case, so I imagine these would be similar. Just putting it out there as an option.

[Acanthophis]

From the look of the prototype it seems that would be a yes (to the top bit, he's already mentioned intl shipping as well... and the price range)

Yeah, I just found out about this thread and was too lazy to read it all.
I did now.

Great project! I will buy one plate for sure!
I don't care for anodising. Stainless steel is good enough.
And if it's really universal for stabs, the better!

[The_Beast]

The anodizing place that I used for my aluminum poker cases didn't have any setup fees, just MOQs (~$90 per color, with the only selection begin red, blue, gold, silver). If the price of anodizing is a big issue I could check. Only thing is that I'm in Canada, but I don't imagine that shipping all the plates together would be horribly expensive if that was needed. Anodizing was about $12 or so for a poker case, so I imagine these would be similar. Just putting it out there as an option.

Thanks a ton for the offer, but I still think I'm going to run mainly with stainless because it isn't that much more than the aluminum counterpart (especially considering there would be no finishing charge ie anodizing) and I think it looks pretty darn cool.

I could run an aluminum and stainless plate at the same time but it's going to break up the GB's power making it more expensive for everyone.

[JonDBurnett]

im in for one too!!  that sounds awesome

[dorkvader]

Is there any way I can get one of these in SS but with some bends in it, making a rudimentary (but totally awesome) case? I want to build a DOXkb. If not, can I get a larger plate with the same pattern cut in it (And get my roommate to borrow the press at school for 10 minutes) ?

I notice DOX doesn't have the pictures up anymore, so I downloaded and installed solidworks's viewer and rendered up some:
http://i.imm.io/FRGT.png
http://i.imm.io/FRHf.png
http://i.imm.io/FRHl.png

Just curious, why do you guys want anodizing? Anodizing has 2 purposes: color and prevents surface oxidation. Getting a custom color is a good reason to go with anodized aluminum, but then again, it's just a plate that goes under the cap, and hardly any of the color will show. If you want anodizing to enhance and "harden" the surface, then just go with stainless steel instead.

I want the plate for the feel of the switches. I could care less about color or strength differences between steel vs aluminum.

PS- this thread should be moved to the GB section. I didn't even know it existed until today.

Bytheway, Anodizing increases oxidation, which is a good thing for aluminium, because AlO2 is hard.

[The_Beast]

Is there any way I can get one of these in SS but with some bends in it, making a rudimentary (but totally awesome) case? I want to build a DOXkb. If not, can I get a larger plate with the same pattern cut in it (And get my roommate to borrow the press at school for 10 minutes) ?

I notice DOX doesn't have the pictures up anymore, so I downloaded and installed solidworks's viewer and rendered up some:
http://i.imm.io/FRGT.png
http://i.imm.io/FRHf.png
http://i.imm.io/FRHl.png

Just curious, why do you guys want anodizing? Anodizing has 2 purposes: color and prevents surface oxidation. Getting a custom color is a good reason to go with anodized aluminum, but then again, it's just a plate that goes under the cap, and hardly any of the color will show. If you want anodizing to enhance and "harden" the surface, then just go with stainless steel instead.

I want the plate for the feel of the switches. I could care less about color or strength differences between steel vs aluminum.

PS- this thread should be moved to the GB section. I didn't even know it existed until today.

Bytheway, Anodizing increases oxidation, which is a good thing for aluminium, because AlO2 is hard.

Could I order a larger plate with legs and have it formed, yes. Am I for this GB, no.


I should just put this in my signature ^______^

But like I've said many times before, if you want me to run a plate (race, pure, tkl, fullsize, custom....) I'll run it as long as a dwg file is provided.

I'd even do individual plates as long as you know they're going to be more expensive. I'd rather run them as a GB so I'm not bugging my laser guy all the time (and because I'm away at school) but I'd do single plates as well.

[alixinhzai]

if u want use a larger plate like this T_T u must be design another case  :|

[Doltoid]

I would be interested in at least one plate (probably two). You can ship to Canada, right?

[The_Beast]

if u want use a larger plate like this T_T u must be design another case  :|

I think that dorkvader wants this large plate so it can be bend and used as a case. So plate = case

I would be interested in at least one plate (probably two). You can ship to Canada, right?

Yuppers, but I'm not 100% sure on how much shipping will cost for international



I should have the GB thread up sometime tomorrow

[Halverson]

if u want use a larger plate like this T_T u must be design another case  :|

I think that dorkvader wants this large plate so it can be bend and used as a case. So plate = case

I would be interested in at least one plate (probably two). You can ship to Canada, right?

Yuppers, but I'm not 100% sure on how much shipping will cost for international



I should have the GB thread up sometime tomorrow

Fixed!

[Loligagger]

Interested in a plate as well. Is there a possibility for materials other than aluminum/stainless steel? An acrylic plate would be pretty neat, as you'd still be able to see the PCB underneath.

[The_Beast]

Interested in a plate as well. Is there a possibility for materials other than aluminum/stainless steel? An acrylic plate would be pretty neat, as you'd still be able to see the PCB underneath.

I'm pretty sure my guy can do more materials than just stainless and aluminum. I'm pretty sure he does a wide array of plastics and I think he does wood too.


GB will be up later tonight, I'm at a aerial robotics competition right now

[Doltoid]

Interested in a plate as well. Is there a possibility for materials other than aluminum/stainless steel? An acrylic plate would be pretty neat, as you'd still be able to see the PCB underneath.

I'm pretty sure my guy can do more materials than just stainless and aluminum. I'm pretty sure he does a wide array of plastics and I think he does wood too.


GB will be up later tonight, I'm at a aerial robotics competition right now

Please, please, please tell me you are recording this.

[The_Beast]

Interested in a plate as well. Is there a possibility for materials other than aluminum/stainless steel? An acrylic plate would be pretty neat, as you'd still be able to see the PCB underneath.

I'm pretty sure my guy can do more materials than just stainless and aluminum. I'm pretty sure he does a wide array of plastics and I think he does wood too.


GB will be up later tonight, I'm at a aerial robotics competition right now

Please, please, please tell me you are recording this.

I sure will be bro, but I probably won't have it up online for a few days

[The_Beast]

*Le awaiting approval