Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:47:35
コンニチハ!
Introducing GMK Bushidō.
I wanted to realize a dark themed keyset for a while, around Samurai and Japanese history.
I went for a cold and a light gray in order to get a strong but subtle color contrast.
The vivid red is definitely the most important color here.
All the colors come from the RAL book.
Group Buy infos
When?
April 3rd — May 1st
Where?
Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, Dailyclack.
Legends
(https://i.imgur.com/BlKq9aH.png)
You might have noticed, these alphas currently does not exist in GMK, so I decided to offer new Japanese sub-legends (instead of Hiraganas): Katakanas.
Those are definitely more sharpened and "aggressive" than Hiraganas, slicing the alphas like the Wakizashi!
Corners will be rounded on the keycaps in order to fit with the Latin alphas.
Renders
Made by the one and only Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/adSAhNL.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/Gt7C0NZ.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/8HY2tTk.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/5njwaFf.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/crIx4A7.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/R39d1aI.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/oB4VoYS.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/uIXTm3M.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/qChl4dP.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/YaV7Tl0.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/sGQMeFY.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/jijxD6a.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/BGpeKpG.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/jwhqzX0.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/RtpjDgJ.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/UyvDPgc.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/Fxw2ax8.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/8DBNZAK.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/DIoDxzM.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/4RcLoTh.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/1vHrSce.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/shFktBD.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/r10N6R8.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/t3eLLnq.png)
Bullet
old
More
(https://i.imgur.com/Y5ymF2O.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/QuwW8bk.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/hjBKMUs.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/W6E3vu7.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/4w09dmc.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/D3i2ApS.jpg)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/ljDOmQ6.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/cm62ppj.jpg)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/Xw7YOio.jpg)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/BWDCdn6.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/7kFXhFT.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/FsVS7TT.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/S2MYibJ.jpg)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/K3qs8JP.png)
TGR Jane-2
(https://i.imgur.com/6ZF3Gi6.jpg)
TGR Jane-2
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/QuwW8bk.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/hjBKMUs.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/W6E3vu7.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/4w09dmc.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/D3i2ApS.jpg)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/ljDOmQ6.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/cm62ppj.jpg)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/Xw7YOio.jpg)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/BWDCdn6.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/7kFXhFT.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/FsVS7TT.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/S2MYibJ.jpg)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/K3qs8JP.png)
TGR Jane-2
(https://i.imgur.com/6ZF3Gi6.jpg)
TGR Jane-2
Kits
ベースキット Base kit
(https://i.imgur.com/jj0XQi2.png)
サムライキット Samurai kit
aka novelties kit
From left to right: Death / Life (vitality)
Enter: Deliverance
From left to right: Honor / Offense / Samurai / Redemption
(https://i.imgur.com/xCqjFww.png)
ジゴクキット Dishonor kit
Alphas Add-on kit
(https://i.imgur.com/3zU2KWs.png)
ノマドキット Nomad kit
Extension kit for small keyboards
(https://i.imgur.com/qNYIDIy.png)
スペースキーキット Spacebars kit
(https://i.imgur.com/H4lFint.png)
Collabs
Rama x Bushidō
Path of the warrior
PVD brass keycap
(https://i.imgur.com/0HIjAjW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/29eTyOL.png)
Space Cables x Bushidō
The amazing Space Cables (https://spacecables.net) will offer 2 types of cable to match the GMK Bushdiō set:
Bushidō cable
(https://i.imgur.com/6Ag9KR1.png)
White heat shrink on the device side connector, black heat shrink for all other points.
Imperial red cord with black tech flex for the optional coiled device portion.
Black cord with black tech flex for the host portion.
6 FT (2m) long
USB-C, Mini-B and Micro
Detachable aviator connector
Bushidō blood cable
(https://i.imgur.com/NQMiDaf.png)
Red heat shrink on the device side connector, black heat shrink for all other points.
Blood splattered White cord with no tech flex for the optional coiled device portion.
Black cord with no tech flex for the host portion.
6 FT (2m) long
USB-C, Mini-B and Micro
Detachable aviator connector
More pics
More
(https://i.imgur.com/Ax3vjev.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/p0QrOC0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/p0QrOC0.png)
Artkey x Bushidō
(https://i.imgur.com/hQrB086.jpg)
5 types of artisans + 1 random gift artisan.
You just need to join the Group Buy of the keyset to be eligible for the raffle.
You'll have to choose your favorite sculpt (in an incoming form) and put your order number into it in order to enter!
Bushidō Medieval artisans
5 of each available.
(https://i.imgur.com/vIA3qhp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mzxNiRI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1l13yRP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/17jvTMF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I7dYimx.jpg)
Bushidō skull artisan
2 available which will be randomly gifted.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xu5UVkX.jpg)
Special thanks to jeffccy who helped me with the translation and text novelties.
Feel free to let me know what do you think in the comments.
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Post by: zekth on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:47:57
Post by: bisoromi on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:50:47
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:50:53
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:52:11
Post by: txclack on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:53:42
Love the set and theme
Post by: Krelbit on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:53:48
Post by: would? on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:54:55
One thing to consider might be a name change
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:55:59
Post by: rionlion100 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:56:23
I REALLY do not agree with the naming convention of this set.+1 to that
Edit: Other than the name I like the set, the colors are really nice
Post by: maximize on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:56:39
Edit: The more I think about it, the more this actually seems really ****ed up. Belongs on www.reddit.com/r/ATBGE.
Post by: neojonathan on Wed, 23 October 2019, 15:57:20
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:03:31
re: set name
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:03:52
Post by: Abec13 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:08:20
Post by: GarrettSucks on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:12:07
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:15:30
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:16:12
This set makes me sad.
Terrible name.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:18:16
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Post by: fmauNeko on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:19:44
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:20:39
I would suggest changing the stepped R3 control to a stepped caps and adding a regular R3 control. You're forcing people who want stepped caps or regular control to use stepped control.
Fixed, thanks!
Post by: OtherAndrew on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:22:35
Post by: mrkantz on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:23:20
Post by: zekkin on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:24:45
...inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.
I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
Post by: EnjoyMyInSec on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:25:16
Post by: zekkin on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:26:26
The name is fine. It even says in the description that it comes from the practice of upholding honor. It's a real practice with real history. I'd even argue that it's offensive to be offended by the name because that means you completely ignore the honor, history, and meaning behind the ritual and just see it as nothing but suicide.
Perhaps the focus on suicide is the issue. If the set was truly meant to encapsulate the sense of honor, it might be better to research Bushido and base a set around that.
Post by: EnjoyMyInSec on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:29:26
All vegans are probably ofended by GMK Jamon then. You guys are ridiculous.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:31:26
tiring
Post by: justjimmeh on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:32:31
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I wanted to realize a dark themed keyset for a while, around Samurai and Japanese history. Even if the inspiration is definitely not funny (but still part of History), I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
This set does nothing to support the reasoning behind this ritual practiced by samurais. It just seems like someone wanted a bloody samurai set and thought of "hey seppuku."
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I'd even argue that it's offensive to be offended by the name because that means you completely ignore the honor, history, and meaning behind the ritual and just see it as nothing but suicide.
I would argue by supporting this set, you are glorifying this ritual that denoted dishonors/restore honor to the families of samurais.
Post by: itskuroi on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:32:50
Post by: Aevyn on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:35:10
I would suggest changing the stepped R3 control to a stepped caps and adding a regular R3 control. You're forcing people who want stepped caps or regular control to use stepped control.
Fixed, thanks!
I would still keep the stepped ctrl though..
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:35:25
But also
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:36:46
GMK Sudoku
Best suggestion thus far, it'd be hilarious if this were called Sudoku instead since people seem pissed at the current name (for whatever reason).
Post by: maximize on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:37:20
why does every big set have to have some sort of controversy now lmao
tiring
Sorry for having a sense of decency.
Post by: mrkantz on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:37:53
I would still keep the stepped ctrl though..
Agreed.
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:38:14
I would argue by supporting this set, you are glorifying this ritual that denoted dishonors/restore honor to the families of samurais.
Suicide is a suicide is a suicide.
Also, Japan weird. /me out.
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:38:27
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
Inspiration definitely comes not only from this particular ritual but from the entire samurai background/history.
I just didn't wanna create another red samurai or whatever set. I wanted to go deeper.
When I was searching color schemes about the samurai theme and discovered the Seppuku history, I immediately thought it would be an interesting theme to work on.
For me, the set is more a tribute of Japanese history, since this ritual does not exist anymore today.
I do not want to offend anyone and can definitely change the name of the set if it has to.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:38:53
Where do I sign up lol
Post by: Emir on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:41:40
I see colors and base my opinion on that, I don't care about what story someone thought up for it.
In this case, set looks SICK. Would buy if not for a tiny detail - centered icon mods is a no go for me. Traditional positioning and I'd be in!
It'll be a real hit like always Biip, good job! Love the creativity.
Post by: saint_james on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:42:12
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:49:19
So you're putting Wraith off for this? biip, I am disappoint.
But also
I was waiting for new samples with matte finish which I received last week.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:49:36
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
Inspiration definitely comes not only from this particular ritual but from the entire samurai background/history.
I just didn't wanna create another red samurai or whatever set. I wanted to go deeper.
When I was searching color schemes about the samurai theme and discovered the Seppuku history, I immediately thought it would be an interesting theme to work on.
For me, the set is more a tribute of Japanese history, since this ritual does not exist anymore today.
I do not want to offend anyone and can definitely change the name of the set if it has to.
Post by: belgium_waffles on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:50:51
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:52:35
However the name is real suspect. Personally not offended, but I can't see it sitting well with Asian countries where suicide is still very much of a taboo subject and isn't openly discussed like in Western countries.
We know you didn't have ill intentions, but the projection of the name is no bueno.
Source: I'm Chinese -- Free Hong Kong.
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:52:51
I was waiting for new samples with matte finish which I received last week.
I know. Good man! Can't wait. Seppuku not for me, but good luck nonetheless.
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:54:21
Post by: Myoth on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:55:48
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
take a deep breath in, let it all out, you now dont care about someone else selling something because it actually doesn't affect you in any way
: )
Post by: tunadesu on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:58:40
Are we really debating about a name that has a long story behind it ?
All vegans are probably ofended by GMK Jamon then. You guys are ridiculous.
lol, that's pretty goood.
But yeah, just seems we're in a time of behind screen moral warriors. Which is fine, there just tends to be alot of 1 sided-ness viewpoints. Sometimes it's tricky to see the other side, or even remain neutral if you truly have strong opinions.
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 23 October 2019, 16:58:53
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
take a deep breath in, let it all out, you now dont care about someone else selling something because it actually doesn't affect you in any way
: )
Damn and I thought boomers only existed in America. What a time to be alive.
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:01:05
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:01:37
Love the set but #14 in the world suicide rate in Japan is going to disagree with you on "ritual that does not exist anymore today"Are you dense? He said seppuku doesn't exist today, not suicide doesn't exist today. The whole point is that anyone with a sense of culture can understand that suicide and seppuku are different, and that you should just chaulk up a historical ritual of honor as suicide and nothing else.I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
Inspiration definitely comes not only from this particular ritual but from the entire samurai background/history.
I just didn't wanna create another red samurai or whatever set. I wanted to go deeper.
When I was searching color schemes about the samurai theme and discovered the Seppuku history, I immediately thought it would be an interesting theme to work on.
For me, the set is more a tribute of Japanese history, since this ritual does not exist anymore today.
I do not want to offend anyone and can definitely change the name of the set if it has to.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:02:44
Post by: zekkin on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:06:20
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
take a deep breath in, let it all out, you now dont care about someone else selling something because it actually doesn't affect you in any way
: )
If you're trying to say this set makes me upset, you'd be wrong. I actually really like the color theme and the dual-toned legends. I just happen to also share the sentiment of others that the naming and theme inspiration of the set is a little questionable. As I said in another post, if we're trying to encapsulate the honor that would drive a samurai to take their own life (in an extremely brutal and painful way, so painful in fact that another samurai would traditionally take their head out of respect for their dedication to the way of a samurai), I would point you to look into Bushido.
Are you dense? He said seppuku doesn't exist today, not suicide doesn't exist today. The whole point is that anyone with a sense of culture can understand that suicide and seppuku are different, and that you should just chaulk up a historical ritual of honor as suicide and nothing else.
I just think the focus on suicide isn't the right move here. As you said, if this is about honor, Bushido would be a good theme to refocus on.
Post by: justjimmeh on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:09:16
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I just think the focus on suicide isn't the right move here. As you said, if this is about honor, Bushido would be a good theme to refocus on.
To add on here, the novelties says words like "suicide" and "disgrace" and "death." Completely unnecessary. If the set is about seppuku and not suicide, why does a key say suicide?
Post by: Myoth on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:10:03
I'll echo the sentiment that the naming of the set and at least one kit is somewhat questionable....inspired by the Japanese ritual practiced by the Samurais who felt to uphold their honor and wanted to regain it through Seppuku (切腹, "cutting [the] belly").
Drawing inspiration from ritual suicide is...a bit out there.I thought it would be actually a good pretext for duo-tone legends set, which is still quite uncommon yet.
I have to heavily disagree here, this is not good reasoning to simply make a set with legends of two colors. I would actually say it's a very bad reason.
---
All these comments probably feel like westerners getting angry on behalf of a specific culture, but I think it'd be a good idea to take the reasoning behind this theme, the name of the set, as well as the names of the kits back to the drawing board.
take a deep breath in, let it all out, you now dont care about someone else selling something because it actually doesn't affect you in any way
: )
Damn and I thought boomers only existed in America. What a time to be alive.
http://prntscr.com/pna26i
Post by: zekth on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:10:27
I will consider changes. I keep you guys updated!
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
i'd suggest GMK Tom Cruise
(https://cdn.shortpixel.ai/client/q_glossy,ret_img,w_640/https://www.ericdsnider.com/wp-content/uploads/2003/12/samurai-1600x900-c-default-640x360.jpg)
Post by: Helpingly on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:13:50
Personally not a set that I would purchase, but the novelties look great, and I think what you're doing with innovating the colors on the base kits is refreshing. Good luck!
Post by: newbatthis on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:14:20
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:20:03
I will consider changes. I keep you guys updated!I'll preface this with saying that I am Japanese, born there, raised mostly in America. These are strictly my opinion as someone who grew up in Japan for a brief period of time before immigrating to the United States.
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
First off, Biip, you had good intentions with this idea and I can sense that, but I think the execution could have gone better. I'm torn between "this is bad" and "maybe this is a good thing", because suicide (via seppuku) is still something that happens in Japan. Additionally, as some of you are aware, mental illness is very much a taboo in Japan but (to be frank) it's a culture thing.
Second, cool to see more sublegends but you chose Katakana strictly based on aesthetic so I'm again, on the fence about the idea. To add onto this point, some of the Katakana words are either 1) don't need to be katakana or 2) incorrect. (ie: Base kit should be "ベェースキット”. )
Third, a set honoring the history of anything should be focused on the positive things correct? Samurais are still idolized in various TV shows in Japan still (I watched this one particular show with my grandpa where the main character literally just pulled out a gold name tag and people would stop fighting).
Although the understand the thought process and the good intentions of the idea, it's a no from me dog.
Post by: rondg on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:21:46
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:24:36
I will consider changes. I keep you guys updated!
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
i'd suggest GMK Tom CruiseShow Image(https://cdn.shortpixel.ai/client/q_glossy,ret_img,w_640/https://www.ericdsnider.com/wp-content/uploads/2003/12/samurai-1600x900-c-default-640x360.jpg)
LMAO
naming aside, this is a ****ing fire set. That two-tone legend is giga nut. Is the red a vibrant red or something more scarlet?
Post by: Adelscott on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:28:22
-1 because it's a GMK, so no ISO-FR
If I may throw a name (for those who won't sleep until it isn't changed ) : GMK Ronin
Post by: Moridin on Wed, 23 October 2019, 17:55:34
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Post by: TheAutoManCan on Wed, 23 October 2019, 18:07:09
That being said, the set itself looks amazing. Great work as always, biip.
Post by: 002 DC on Wed, 23 October 2019, 18:18:03
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Post by: amuri99 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 19:36:44
Post by: dededecline on Wed, 23 October 2019, 19:38:29
If Biip's hand is (unfairly) forced
The point of an interest check is literally to provide feedback so more people will be interested when it goes on sale
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 23 October 2019, 19:50:46
The point of an interest check is literally to provide feedback so more people will be interested when it goes on sale
oh ok
Post by: CodeMayhem on Wed, 23 October 2019, 19:57:14
I would suggest changing the stepped R3 control to a stepped caps and adding a regular R3 control. You're forcing people who want stepped caps or regular control to use stepped control.
Fixed, thanks!
why not both?
Post by: King4477 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:13:14
Post by: maximize on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:18:52
If Biip's hand is (unfairly) forced it has to be renamed GMK Sudoku. GMK Bushido is such a boring, PC suggestion.
Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
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Post by: mrkantz on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:50:28
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Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:51:22
Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
The debate goes off immediately all the time, doesn't make it any less idiotic. In all seriousness I'm just glad I don't feel as strongly about something as harmless as this set's name offending people as some seem to. Not naming a set of little plastic caps for a mechanical keyboard "Sepukku" because some people find suicide to be a sensitive topic (let's be honest no one here really gives a fk about whether or not it's offensive to "natives") is not a hill I'd wanna die on.
I really don't care what it's called, as do I not care how people feel about it - which is not to say Biip shouldn't, he definitely should despite it being ridiculous, if for no other reason than potential monetary gain.
Post by: Midori on Wed, 23 October 2019, 20:58:47
Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
The debate goes off immediately all the time, doesn't make it any less idiotic. In all seriousness I'm just glad I don't feel as strongly about something as harmless as this set's name offending people as some seem to. Not naming a set of little plastic caps for a mechanical keyboard "Sepukku" because some people find suicide to be a sensitive topic (let's be honest no one here really gives a fk about whether or not it's offensive to "natives") is not a hill I'd wanna die on.
I really don't care what it's called, as do I not care how people feel about it - which is not to say Biip shouldn't, he definitely should despite it being ridiculous, if for no other reason than potential monetary gain.
lol
Post by: slxdegrees on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:08:53
Post by: Mtalbert on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:09:57
This is a good theme.
Hope you can do some changes to make it more unique.
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:11:29
You seem awfully worked up for someone who doesn't care. If you don't feel strongly about it then what is the harm in people discussing their misgivings about the name?Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
The debate goes off immediately all the time, doesn't make it any less idiotic. In all seriousness I'm just glad I don't feel as strongly about something as harmless as this set's name offending people as some seem to. Not naming a set of little plastic caps for a mechanical keyboard "Sepukku" because some people find suicide to be a sensitive topic (let's be honest no one here really gives a fk about whether or not it's offensive to "natives") is not a hill I'd wanna die on.
I really don't care what it's called, as do I not care how people feel about it - which is not to say Biip shouldn't, he definitely should despite it being ridiculous, if for no other reason than potential monetary gain.
Post by: Capsy on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:15:00
That's his MOYou seem awfully worked up for someone who doesn't care. If you don't feel strongly about it then what is the harm in people discussing their misgivings about the name?Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
The debate goes off immediately all the time, doesn't make it any less idiotic. In all seriousness I'm just glad I don't feel as strongly about something as harmless as this set's name offending people as some seem to. Not naming a set of little plastic caps for a mechanical keyboard "Sepukku" because some people find suicide to be a sensitive topic (let's be honest no one here really gives a fk about whether or not it's offensive to "natives") is not a hill I'd wanna die on.
I really don't care what it's called, as do I not care how people feel about it - which is not to say Biip shouldn't, he definitely should despite it being ridiculous, if for no other reason than potential monetary gain.
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:16:26
The name is quite intense though I agree.
Are sets going forward with name controversy going to be supa hot? Find out on the next GMK GB.
Post by: justsomerandomusername on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:22:14
I will consider changes. I keep you guys updated!Nowadays is impossible not to offend someone. I would say that I personally don't have any problems with the set name or inspiration(while having a history of suicide attempts and friends that killed themselves).
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
If changes had to be done every time someone got offended, lots of things would never be done/released. We live in a globalized society, this problem is seen differently from culture to culture and we shouldn't have to give up just because it is seen badly by another.
To give an example: Just look at how the reception and critics for the Joker film was in America vs Europe. If the people that disliked it had such influence, I am pretty sure that the film would never have been released.
I'm going to be eagerly waiting for the GB of this set. It is a really beautiful and interesting design.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:29:47
You seem awfully worked up for someone who doesn't care. If you don't feel strongly about it then what is the harm in people discussing their misgivings about the name?
Nothing I've said indicates I'm worked up, not really sure why you would throw in a little quip that detracts from your point when your question is plenty valid by itself. In response, I just think it's diverting to see what extent people are willing to go to in situations like these - plus I like Biip and the set warrants the added traffic.
Post by: Midori on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:33:31
I will consider changes. I keep you guys updated!Nowadays is impossible not to offend someone. I would say that I personally don't have any problems with the set name or inspiration(while having a history of suicide attempts and friends that killed themselves).
I think we could avoid debating about suicide and stuff.
The set is a tribute to the samurais History, not an apology to anything, and I think we should talk about the set itself, not the name.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
If changes had to be done every time someone got offended, lots of things would never be done/released. We live in a globalized society, this problem is seen differently from culture to culture and we shouldn't have to give up just because it is seen badly by another.
To give an example: Just look at how the reception and critics for the Joker film was in America vs Europe. If the people that disliked it had such influence, I am pretty sure that the film would never have been released.
I'm going to be eagerly waiting for the GB of this set. It is a really beautiful and interesting design.
we live in a society
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:36:20
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 21:43:11
But because suicide upsets me and I know at least one relative whose taken his life and know that countless others are on the edge of doing the same I now get where the DixieMech set outrage came from.
I don’t think the seppuku name has to change, was just venting that I personally find it unnecessary and that it saddens me. If the creator likes it we’ll it is his set after all.
For pluralism to work (people with radically different views living and working together) people need to turn the other check in all but the most important and meaningful cases. Otherwise you just fight all the time because it’s really, really easy to take offense.
TL;DR - the sets name makes me sad, but in the grand scheme I can deal and it doesn’t matter all that much, lol
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Wed, 23 October 2019, 22:08:26
I only say you seem worked up based on the perceived tone of the messages you have left so far; if you aren't then I apologize. I'm the type that believes that this sort of matter can be handled professionally by letting people openly voice their opinions. Neither side is right nor wrong, but it's all a matter of individual perception. Some people have no issue with the name, while others (myself included) find it tasteless or perhaps even insensitive. All we do at this point is voice our concerns or support to biip and let him make the call. Whether the name stays or gets changed, the world won't end and the keycap set will still be awesome. But it's important to walk away knowing that it's not caving to PC pressure if the name changes, and it's not being intentionally offensive if the name stays as Seppuku.You seem awfully worked up for someone who doesn't care. If you don't feel strongly about it then what is the harm in people discussing their misgivings about the name?
Nothing I've said indicates I'm worked up, not really sure why you would throw in a little quip that detracts from your point when your question is plenty valid by itself. In response, I just think it's diverting to see what extent people are willing to go to in situations like these - plus I like Biip and the set warrants the added traffic.
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 23 October 2019, 22:26:00
DixieMech had to drop his Axis power themed set and it didn’t even include a swastika or Star of David or anything that wouldn’t be found on dozens, if not hundreds of WWII board games. I thought it was ridiculous.
But because suicide upsets me and I know at least one relative whose taken his life and know that countless others are on the edge of doing the same I now get where the DixieMech set outrage came from.
I don’t think the seppuku name has to change, was just venting that I personally find it unnecessary and that it saddens me. If the creator likes it we’ll it is his set after all.
For pluralism to work (people with radically different views living and working together) people need to turn the other check in all but the most important and meaningful cases. Otherwise you just fight all the time because it’s really, really easy to take offense.
TL;DR - the sets name makes me sad, but in the grand scheme I can deal and it doesn’t matter all that much, lol
Those novelties literally had Nazi related symbolizes -- you think GMK, a German company, would even think about manufacturing those keycaps?? LMFAO
How about ya'll run the "GMK Seppuku" name by Yushakobo ( https://yushakobo.jp/shop/) and see what kind of response you get? Would love to see what they say. Guarantee it would be along the lines between "no" and "**** no"
Some of you fellow keyboard enthusiasts didn't seem to pay attention to your world history class.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 23 October 2019, 22:29:11
But, I just had a friend commiting suicide for unknown reasons, and it emotionally devastated his family anf friends. Like most bad things in life, you don't care about it until it happens to you. Trust me, knowing your loved ones doing that, it can break you, hard.
Culturally sanctioned or not, Suicide.Is.Not.Good, and while I completely, 110% agree that Seppuku has historical significance, that doesn't mean we should try to glorify it either. Especially when:
- Japan has notorious suicide rate.
- Many suiciders in Japan think of it as a modern form of sepuku, "preserving their honor".
- We know for a fact that seeing/reading about/hearing of/knowing people commiting suicide can lead others to do the same.
- We have historical records that many were forced to commit Seppuku against their wills.
I know "cancel culture" is a thing in the US now. If you go ahead with this IC and eventual GB, it's... fine. It's not very kind to people with unfortunate circumstances like me, but I can just ignore it entirely. I just hope this will give you some perspective on this complex topic.
Post by: digid3ar on Wed, 23 October 2019, 23:26:29
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Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 24 October 2019, 02:36:49
Post by: Tequila_Heineken on Thu, 24 October 2019, 03:41:05
However, it seems needlessly controversial.
For like three dudes from US coastal areas,, I think we'll be fine :-\
Post by: kaisn on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:06:47
It's personally not for me but I hope everyone gets to enjoy this GB
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:09:28
For like three dudes from US coastal areas,, I think we'll be fine :-\
From US Coastal areas? ... Ok. not sure what you're getting at or how their area of residence matters at all, especially considering the first person to raise a concern is from Minnesota, so ...
But back to the set, looks great. I personally don't care about the name, but if those mods do in fact say "suicide" that's ... less than ideal.
Post by: fmauNeko on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:11:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:14:38
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:17:20
I plan to offer deskmats, artisans and maybe some other stuff.
Post by: zekth on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:24:12
Not a fan of another weeb set. But since the name might be too harsh for some folks, it can be renamed to "Niten Ichi Ryu" due to two colors. A blank set of it could be called Zatoichi. Anyway I like Japanese culture but there are too many sets riding it.
I'm really into regular alpha using the red colorscheme for this set, but i don't think it would hit the MOQ. :/
Post by: infinitykw on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:26:07
(https://i.imgur.com/iIm2rTp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ps4n9eu.jpg)
Post by: OtherAndrew on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:31:34
Post by: SenhorHoshino on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:33:52
Censorship is BAD.
Just don't join in.
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:43:06
Post by: zekth on Thu, 24 October 2019, 04:53:07
At least no controversy on the name i guess... :-X
Btw this is getting really boring.
Post by: kronograf on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:08:28
This is why I don't care for what curtain or kitchen sink or bra or napkin-that-you-found-in-your-grandparents-attic your set could be inspired by.
I see colors and base my opinion on that, I don't care about what story someone thought up for it.
In this case, set looks SICK. Would buy if not for a tiny detail - centered icon mods is a no go for me. Traditional positioning and I'd be in!
It'll be a real hit like always Biip, good job! Love the creativity.
as someone who doesn’t care about contextual influences and underlying symbolism and just appreciates *vivid colors*, *dark edgy mature* themes, and foreign sublegends, i wholeheartedly agree
looking forward to the upcoming GMK Rape of Nanking and GMK Holodomor
Post by: softsoph on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:38:35
(https://puu.sh/EwlB9/c0845233cf.png)
Post by: Vireca on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:48:52
Post by: EnjoyMyInSec on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:30:55
Biip worked really hard to do something around that special theme, it’s an hommage... but whatever.
Im waiting for some people to say that GMK White On Black is controversial now lmao.
I guess we can close the debate and apprecieate the beauty of this set, this set deserves a lot of love.
:thumb:
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:32:35
Grow the **** up people.
Post by: ThomasTaiTai on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:37:20
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Post by: ThomasTaiTai on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:49:07
Post by: Rico on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:59:58
'Bushido Code' talks about the eight virtues of a samourai:
https://acelebrationofwomen.org/2017/03/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/
You will see in this text that nothing taks about Seppuku and/or suicide.
Seppuku ritual is a very minor aspect of Bushido Code and not explicitely written in it.
Also I would like to note that commiting suicide is not a ritual, Seppuku is.
For me a keyset inspired by rules of conduits of Samurais is a great idea and I see nothing bad about it.
And to be honest even during our modern days some of these rules should be adopted by us.
Post by: geewiz on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:00:25
Set renamed. I will change the text novelties soon.
I think that's definitely a change for the better. Highlighting the way of the warrior with _all_ its facets makes much more sense to me.
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:06:52
I don't really understand why Bushido name is giving so much trouble.
'Bushido Code' talks about the eight virtues of a samourai:
https://acelebrationofwomen.org/2017/03/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/
You will see in this text that nothing taks about Seppuku and/or suicide.
Seppuku ritual is a very minor aspect of Bushido Code and not explicitely written in it.
Also I would like to note that commiting suicide is not a ritual, Seppuku is.
For me a keyset inspired by rules of conduits of Samurais is a great idea and I see nothing bad about it.
And to be honest even during our modern days some of these rules should be adopted by us.
I initally callled it "Seppuku".
Post by: nasp on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:09:28
I don't really understand why Bushido name is giving so much trouble.
'Bushido Code' talks about the eight virtues of a samourai:
https://acelebrationofwomen.org/2017/03/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/
You will see in this text that nothing taks about Seppuku and/or suicide.
Seppuku ritual is a very minor aspect of Bushido Code and not explicitely written in it.
Also I would like to note that commiting suicide is not a ritual, Seppuku is.
For me a keyset inspired by rules of conduits of Samurais is a great idea and I see nothing bad about it.
And to be honest even during our modern days some of these rules should be adopted by us.
Bushido is the new name. Seppuku was the first
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:10:23
Here's my post on r/mechmarketgonewildwhy are you so funny
[IC] GMK Nazi
GMK Nazi celebrates the war crimes of the Nazi party, disguised in so called "Schutzstaffel and German history". Renders coming later. Who's interested?
Inspiration: GMK Bushidō u/biiperino - a wonderful set centered around "Samurai and Japanese history".
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Post by: zekth on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:15:01
Here's my post on r/mechmarketgonewildwhy are you so funny
[IC] GMK Nazi
GMK Nazi celebrates the war crimes of the Nazi party, disguised in so called "Schutzstaffel and German history". Renders coming later. Who's interested?
Inspiration: GMK Bushidō u/biiperino - a wonderful set centered around "Samurai and Japanese history".
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He deleted his post on reddit. :)) :))
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You are literally creating drama for no good reason.
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Post by: fmauNeko on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:18:50
He edited it here too. But the internet never forgets.Here's my post on r/mechmarketgonewildwhy are you so funny
[IC] GMK Nazi
GMK Nazi celebrates the war crimes of the Nazi party, disguised in so called "Schutzstaffel and German history". Renders coming later. Who's interested?
Inspiration: GMK Bushidō u/biiperino - a wonderful set centered around "Samurai and Japanese history".
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He deleted his post on reddit. :)) :))
Post by: Rico on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:24:29
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I initally callled it "Seppuku".
My bad :D
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:41:07
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Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:42:41
It’s so sad to see that people that aint concerned by that made stupid drama, it’s not the URSS, we have freedom of speech right ? Idk if you guys realise that we came to a point where set’s name are censored.
Biip worked really hard to do something around that special theme, it’s an hommage... but whatever.
Im waiting for some people to say that GMK White On Black is controversial now lmao.
I guess we can close the debate and apprecieate the beauty of this set, this set deserves a lot of love.
:thumb:
You are, without a doubt, one of the most hypocritical people I've ever come across in this hobby.
It's hilarious seeing you complain about outrage when you literally lost your marbles over another keyset.
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 24 October 2019, 08:09:14
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Post by: radam on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:10:46
Post by: pwade3 on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:11:11
No one cares where you got your inspiration from, jesus. Like anybody ever said "Oh that keycaps backstory is so cool even though it looks ugly, that's the only reason I'm joining". This trend has become annoying.
So much aggression over someone explaining their inspiration lmao.
Post by: olsen34 on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:19:28
No one cares where you got your inspiration from, jesus. Like anybody ever said "Oh that keycaps backstory is so cool even though it looks ugly, that's the only reason I'm joining". This trend has become annoying.
So much aggression over someone explaining their inspiration lmao.
Because it's pretentious at best.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:24:30
Makes me want to kill myself!
Post by: maximize on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:40:25
Regardless of intention (and I know biip had no ill intent), it would reflect poorly on our community if this went through unchanged. I mean, come on. The internal debate went off immediately, so try to imagine how outsiders might view it. The current theme is tasteless, even though the keyset looks great (and it really does).
If some people don't mind the name/theme now, why would they mind if it was changed to something less indelicate?
The debate goes off immediately all the time, doesn't make it any less idiotic. In all seriousness I'm just glad I don't feel as strongly about something as harmless as this set's name offending people as some seem to. Not naming a set of little plastic caps for a mechanical keyboard "Sepukku" because some people find suicide to be a sensitive topic (let's be honest no one here really gives a fk about whether or not it's offensive to "natives") is not a hill I'd wanna die on.
I really don't care what it's called, as do I not care how people feel about it - which is not to say Biip shouldn't, he definitely should despite it being ridiculous, if for no other reason than potential monetary gain.
Sometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
Post by: gasp on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:46:09
Post by: ThomasTaiTai on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:02:58
This discussion could go on forever and never be resolved. There will forever be people who think the name is hurtful and should therefore be removed, and those who think that trying to avoid hurting people is dumb. That's not going to magically change in one keyset thread. The good news is it's now a moot point, as the name has been changed, so we can move on to giving feedback about the actual set instead of using this thread to take out our aggression for the day...The name has definitely gotten less hurtful, but I doubt the Chinese and Koreans will approve.
Right now the Chinese community still doesn't know about this set. The drama is unlikely to end until this set runs or gets pressured to be taken down.
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Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:18:35
This discussion could go on forever and never be resolved. There will forever be people who think the name is hurtful and should therefore be removed, and those who think that trying to avoid hurting people is dumb. That's not going to magically change in one keyset thread. The good news is it's now a moot point, as the name has been changed, so we can move on to giving feedback about the actual set instead of using this thread to take out our aggression for the day...The name has definitely gotten less hurtful, but I doubt the Chinese and Koreans will approve.
Right now the Chinese community still doesn't know about this set. The drama is unlikely to end until this set runs or gets pressured to be taken down.
The drama will subside in less than a week if no new updates are posted.
No one had an issue with Red Samurai (China or otherwise), but you might as well call it GMK Japanese Shadow (the Edgehog) if you're worried about evoking Japanese stereotypes.
Post by: Coumbaya on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:20:02
Are you some kind of Chinese/Korean embassador of some sort now ?This discussion could go on forever and never be resolved. There will forever be people who think the name is hurtful and should therefore be removed, and those who think that trying to avoid hurting people is dumb. That's not going to magically change in one keyset thread. The good news is it's now a moot point, as the name has been changed, so we can move on to giving feedback about the actual set instead of using this thread to take out our aggression for the day...The name has definitely gotten less hurtful, but I doubt the Chinese and Koreans will approve.
Right now the Chinese community still doesn't know about this set. The drama is unlikely to end until this set runs or gets pressured to be taken down.
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Post by: Tonkatonk on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:21:58
the sublegend design is almost as atrocious as the set's original nameThis guy has taste
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Post by: x86ect on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:23:06
Then
- the name doesn't remind anyone of lost loved ones
- there is no questioning of the relationship of the themes to the bushido code
- the blood splatter makes even more sense.
In the same vein (yikes), what do you think of offering an all white legend kit, so that people can create their own mix of white and red like the splatter in your banner (rather than straight across)?
Then again... if you named it GMK Nukitsuke, you could keep your horizontal white line.
Post by: zekth on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:27:06
the sublegend design is almost as atrocious as the set's original nameThis guy has taste
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It would be cool, Bento has just hit the MOQ for the hiragana only legends. It's not an easy MOQ kit.
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:29:39
Yeah, I still have two sets of Bento Kobe, nobody wants them (I should have sold them bundled with the base kits I had, but now I'm stuck with them)the sublegend design is almost as atrocious as the set's original nameThis guy has taste
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It would be cool, Bento has just hit the MOQ for the hiragana only legends. It's not an easy MOQ kit.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:30:47
Sometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 10:51:39
Post by: Tonkatonk on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:07:09
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a productSometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
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Post by: senryo on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:07:56
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a productSometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
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Post by: maximize on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:12:56
Sometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
Having a fundamental sense of propriety is a weak argument for changing the theme? Ha! Ok buddy.
You can't say that only 10 people would disagree with the previous theme. Half of all the people here took issue with the naming, and it's possible that more did, but didn't say anything. Scale that up to the size of the community, and you have to realize something is wrong. Otherwise, you're just delusional.
But look at you, projecting again from behind the safety of your screen. I never said we should "pretend bad **** never happened". That's not the point. Remembering the bad **** that happened needs to be done, but carefully and in the right context. Nobody in their right mind would make a Lego concentration camp set. Similarly, plastic keycaps would not have been the place to bring up a Japanese suicide ritual.
Biip decided to change the name. The set still looks fire. The end.
Post by: x86ect on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:19:36
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a productSometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
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If the Japanese themselves can "celebrate" this aspect of their history through cinema and literal legend, and hollywood can "celebrate" the same thing (and even pervert it), why can't someone make a keycap set related to it, especially since so many in this hobby are also tied to that same Japanese cinema?
Post by: hansikhouse on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:24:36
Btw biip, as a Korean-American designer, I find this set to be a pretty ingenious inspiration-to-product example of thinking in the keyboard space. Regardless of whether or not people find the precedent to be distasteful (as they have a right to express that opinion), the thinking behind this set is very unique and I'd like to see more colorways explore this type of creativity.
GLWS!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:28:57
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a product
Imagine thinking this set celebrates suicide.
Having a fundamental sense of propriety is a weak argument for changing the theme? Ha! Ok buddy.
You can't say that only 10 people would disagree with the previous theme. Half of all the people here took issue with the naming, and it's possible that more did, but didn't say anything. Scale that up to the size of the community, and you have to realize something is wrong. Otherwise, you're just delusional.
But look at you, projecting again from behind the safety of your screen. I never said we should "pretend bad **** never happened". That's not the point. Remembering the bad **** that happened needs to be done, but carefully and in the right context. Nobody in their right mind would make a Lego concentration camp set. Similarly, plastic keycaps would not have been the place to bring up a Japanese suicide ritual.
Biip decided to change the name. The set still looks fire. The end.
What do you mean the end? You just spouted like 10 lines of armchair psychology - I didn't mean to upset you, I figured we were just having a reasonable discussion and me calling out your argument as weak (which it still is) is hardly personal - the fact you clearly cannot keep a level head is pretty disappointing. How come you're mad that I'm voicing my opinion behind a screen? Are you hinting toward the fact you would like to get physically violent or that someone else would if that weren't the case? Little concerning.
Post by: zurbo on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:36:33
As I said somewhere else, I understood that the old name (GMK seppuku) may be offensive since the seppuku was used to advocate for kamikazes suicide in the Japanese army in WWII which is close history which hurt a lot of people.
I also supported the idea of a name change to Biip yesterday for this reason.
But here it seems like the problem is the samurai iconography. And the samurai wars against China or Korea which are 400 years old.
I think it's a problem since this iconography is widely present in the pop culture in general (films, toys, etc).
If you are offended by this set (with the new name), why ?
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:39:50
So,The set's name has been changed. The discussion should die or be about the actual set now. But people
As I said somewhere else, I understood that the old name (GMK seppuku) may be offensive since the seppuku was used to advocate for kamikazes suicide in the Japanese army in WWII which is close history which hurt a lot of people.
I also supported the idea of a name change to Biip yesterday for this reason.
But here it seems like the problem is the samurai iconography. And the samurai wars against China or Korea which are 400 years old.
I think it's a problem since this iconography is widely present in the pop culture in general (films, toys, etc).
If you are offended by this set (with the new name), why ?
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:42:46
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a productSometimes, arguments get idiotic, but this is not one of them. Other people have feelings, and they are just as valid as yours. So, why would it be a good idea to bring the theme of Seppuku to a bunch of plastic caps? Who needs a set that makes them think, "Oh yeah, that red line totally reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts!" Why does anyone need that? It's not even necessarily offensive, but it's 100% tactless. There is a time and a place for everything. This ain't it. And yeah, actually some of us actually do care that some themes or topics are sensitive to other people around the world. You don't need to project your completely unsympathetic nature on the rest of us.
They don't. Your argument is weak, not every set has to appeal to everyone and not everyone has to want to own a set that reminds me of where a samurai would have spilled their guts. Others might, or might just not care. Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie.
Why should seppuku as a theme be banned from keycap sets because it reminds 10 people of people they knew that killed themselves? Or why should there not be (alluded) Nazi symbolism in a set that's themed after a TV series that tries to depict what modern day would look like if the Axis won WWII? Rpiguy9907's reply last page is fantastic, about as objective and sensible as it's gonna get, really the only argument that can be made in favour of potentially considering the name to be positive. Or we can all continue to pretend bad **** never happened and that even the slightest mention of it should be silenced which seems perfectly reasonable.
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If the Japanese themselves can "celebrate" this aspect of their history through cinema and literal legend, and hollywood can "celebrate" the same thing (and even pervert it), why can't someone make a keycap set related to it, especially since so many in this hobby are also tied to that same Japanese cinema?
Hey man, I'd like to point you towards this post from earlier in the thread, which I think really captures the major pain points with the set:
OK first I'm not offended (at least as I understand the meaning of the word). I'm not from US and don't really care for your political talk points.
But, I just had a friend commiting suicide for unknown reasons, and it emotionally devastated his family anf friends. Like most bad things in life, you don't care about it until it happens to you. Trust me, knowing your loved ones doing that, it can break you, hard.
Culturally sanctioned or not, Suicide.Is.Not.Good, and while I completely, 110% agree that Seppuku has historical significance, that doesn't mean we should try to glorify it either. Especially when:
- Japan has notorious suicide rate.
- Many suiciders in Japan think of it as a modern form of sepuku, "preserving their honor".
- We know for a fact that seeing/reading about/hearing of/knowing people commiting suicide can lead others to do the same.
- We have historical records that many were forced to commit Seppuku against their wills.
I know "cancel culture" is a thing in the US now. If you go ahead with this IC and eventual GB, it's... fine. It's not very kind to people with unfortunate circumstances like me, but I can just ignore it entirely. I just hope this will give you some perspective on this complex topic.
These four bullet points are describe very real, very modern (i.e. happening in 2019) things.
In contrast to the heavy focus on individuality in the West, many Asian countries subscribe to a lifestyle that puts group harmony above individual happiness. In the West, we have what's known as a guilt-based culture; we make mistakes and whatever consequences, if any, are placed upon you and you alone. In the East, there is what's known as a shame-based culture; someone makes a mistake and the consequences fall on not just the one who made the mistake, but your family, your friends, your neighborhood, your city, etc.
In modern times, this sense of honor still remains, and people are still taking their own lives in response to or to save themselves from the great shame they may bring upon themselves and those around them.
The third point is especially poignant here as this is also something that is very real and can be seen happening today, most notably in the case of survivors of great trauma; one survivor simply cannot bear the pain any longer and other that were hanging on may decide it's what they want as well.
In regards to your point about Japanese people "celebrating" this part of their history in various forms of media, I'm almost positive very little to no major works focus solely on the act of seppuku, but more so on the various tales of individuals from something like the Sengoku period (also known as the Warring States period). The focus is on the people and the tales of heroism or resilience in the face of impossible odds, not on the taking of one's own life.
All that being said, the set has been renamed and we should try to get this thread back on track.
Post by: zurbo on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:45:14
So,The set's name has been changed. The discussion should die or be about the actual set now. But people
As I said somewhere else, I understood that the old name (GMK seppuku) may be offensive since the seppuku was used to advocate for kamikazes suicide in the Japanese army in WWII which is close history which hurt a lot of people.
I also supported the idea of a name change to Biip yesterday for this reason.
But here it seems like the problem is the samurai iconography. And the samurai wars against China or Korea which are 400 years old.
I think it's a problem since this iconography is widely present in the pop culture in general (films, toys, etc).
If you are offended by this set (with the new name), why ?
I know, but some people seems offended even with the new name... So I want to understand ?
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:48:10
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Post by: Holicalis on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:53:11
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 24 October 2019, 11:56:27
People have been drawing parallels to Nazis here. Would you also make the same argument against a US Air Force set (a set that has been produced), because the US military has committed some fairly heinous acts in its history? Likely not. Nazis, on the other hand, have a very distinct and clear black mark on their history and it's generally agreed upon that their imagery is "off limits" (right or wrong, that is not the discussion at this point).
In similar fashion, a "rising sun" themed set was shut down a few years ago. In my opinion, the broad categorization of "samurai" does not evoke a similar emotion to the other two glaring examples. Again, feel free to disagree, and I'd personally appreciate some context if relevant (my Japanese history is admittedly not great, as an American).
[Edit: In fact, I just realized that I have a reference to samurais in a quote in my signature! How fitting. Serious question, do people find that sort of reference to samurais offensive?]
Lastly, I want to comment on some reports of this thread to clear some things up. Threads posted to the IC subforum do not require approval, unlike the GB subforum. This means that an offensive or inappropriate thread in the IC forum should be reported to make the mods aware of it - it does not mean that the mods are racist, enacting double standards, or encouraging such threads.
Post by: maximize on Thu, 24 October 2019, 12:08:54
Imagine not understanding the difference between acknowledging something happened and celebrating it through a product
Imagine thinking this set celebrates suicide.Having a fundamental sense of propriety is a weak argument for changing the theme? Ha! Ok buddy.
You can't say that only 10 people would disagree with the previous theme. Half of all the people here took issue with the naming, and it's possible that more did, but didn't say anything. Scale that up to the size of the community, and you have to realize something is wrong. Otherwise, you're just delusional.
But look at you, projecting again from behind the safety of your screen. I never said we should "pretend bad **** never happened". That's not the point. Remembering the bad **** that happened needs to be done, but carefully and in the right context. Nobody in their right mind would make a Lego concentration camp set. Similarly, plastic keycaps would not have been the place to bring up a Japanese suicide ritual.
Biip decided to change the name. The set still looks fire. The end.
What do you mean the end? You just spouted like 10 lines of armchair psychology - I didn't mean to upset you, I figured we were just having a reasonable discussion and me calling out your argument as weak (which it still is) is hardly personal - the fact you clearly cannot keep a level head is pretty disappointing. How come you're mad that I'm voicing my opinion behind a screen? Are you hinting toward the fact you would like to get physically violent or that someone else would if that weren't the case? Little concerning.
You're great at twisting words. Why on Earth would you insinuate that I want to get violent over this? It's honestly incredibly rude and a dirty tactic to make me look bad; that's what is now irking me a bit. "From behind the safety of your screen" simply implies that I don't think you would have gone about this discussion in the same way if it were face-to-face. Anonymity provides a kind of "safety" -- I don't think we need to go over that.
I've been as level headed about this discussion as anyone here. I haven't implied that you're an idiot ["Plenty of people find slasher horror movies tactless (and the same goes for ones that portray authoritarian regimes etc), the way that usually is handled by someone's who's not a complete idiot is they don't go watch the movie"]. I haven't falsely accused you of being violent [see above]. And I've actually provided valid responses to each of your counterpoints, but you don't seem to want to do the same.
"This isn't a good place for this theme" is a perfectly valid argument, and definitely a better one than "do what you want because who cares about being insensitive to other people".
"The end" referred to the fact that this discussion should be over, since biip has now changed the name and I would really rather not side-track things any further.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 12:46:00
Post by: x86ect on Thu, 24 October 2019, 13:06:28
These four bullet points are describe very real, very modern (i.e. happening in 2019) things.
In contrast to the heavy focus on individuality in the West, many Asian countries subscribe to a lifestyle that puts group harmony above individual happiness. In the West, we have what's known as a guilt-based culture; we make mistakes and whatever consequences, if any, are placed upon you and you alone. In the East, there is what's known as a shame-based culture; someone makes a mistake and the consequences fall on not just the one who made the mistake, but your family, your friends, your neighborhood, your city, etc.
In modern times, this sense of honor still remains, and people are still taking their own lives in response to or to save themselves from the great shame they may bring upon themselves and those around them.
The third point is especially poignant here as this is also something that is very real and can be seen happening today, most notably in the case of survivors of great trauma; one survivor simply cannot bear the pain any longer and other that were hanging on may decide it's what they want as well.
In regards to your point about Japanese people "celebrating" this part of their history in various forms of media, I'm almost positive very little to no major works focus solely on the act of seppuku, but more so on the various tales of individuals from something like the Sengoku period (also known as the Warring States period). The focus is on the people and the tales of heroism or resilience in the face of impossible odds, not on the taking of one's own life.
All that being said, the set has been renamed and we should try to get this thread back on track.
This is a good set of arguments for your point. I appreciate the intelligence and sensitivity you have applied. I would like to argue equally as intelligently and sensitively, but as you've said, the name has already changed, so I will refrain.
With regards to the new name...
Bushido, and the new "less aggressive" novelties Biip is going to rework, have the potential to undermine the value of the color scheme (why is this "Bushido" set so dark?). It has ruined the cohesive quality that gave the original set "life". The value of the Biip's original work was in it's dedication to the goal; which is the ultimate nod of respect that could be given to the theme.
I might go so far as to say that the act of muddying Biip's vision to appease others is in direct contradiction to some of the tenets of Bushido: Rectitude, Courage, Loyalty, Character, Sincerity (though I acknowledge that Mercy for the pain others feel is also there)
But... this is all too heady for a keycap set; I just hate when artistic vision is ruined like this.
Post by: LetoDaleko on Thu, 24 October 2019, 13:14:54
Post by: PyroL on Thu, 24 October 2019, 13:50:39
It’s so sad to see that people that aint concerned by that made stupid drama, it’s not the URSS, we have freedom of speech right ? Idk if you guys realise that we came to a point where set’s name are censored.
Biip worked really hard to do something around that special theme, it’s an hommage... but whatever.
Im waiting for some people to say that GMK White On Black is controversial now lmao.
I guess we can close the debate and apprecieate the beauty of this set, this set deserves a lot of love.
:thumb:
https://xkcd.com/1357/
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 13:52:42
Post by: eirunoopi on Thu, 24 October 2019, 14:08:16
Post by: MMKB on Thu, 24 October 2019, 14:30:34
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 24 October 2019, 14:32:53
I'm guessing that someone from this thread is the one who posted the short-lived "GMK Offended" IC today. On a serious note, if you or anyone else is willing to move forward with that set, I would personally and unsarcastically love to own a Pepe-themed keeb.
Btw biip, as a Korean-American designer, I find this set to be a pretty ingenious inspiration-to-product example of thinking in the keyboard space. Regardless of whether or not people find the precedent to be distasteful (as they have a right to express that opinion), the thinking behind this set is very unique and I'd like to see more colorways explore this type of creativity.
GLWS!
That set you have there reminds me more of Shrek lol :cool:
Post by: bliss on Thu, 24 October 2019, 16:45:46
Keep up the good work :thumb:
Set renamed. I will change the text novelties soon.I kindly request to please keep as much edge as feasible on the novelties. TBH, I love the Death / Suicide mods combo, but I understand... maybe keep Death as it reminds us that life is precious and should not be squandered? Or maybe just bring more novelties in addition in order to keep the original ones!
Also, design changes may please one group but drive another away...
Post by: Tonkatonk on Thu, 24 October 2019, 17:23:03
I'm guessing that someone from this thread is the one who posted the short-lived "GMK Offended" IC today. On a serious note, if you or anyone else is willing to move forward with that set, I would personally and unsarcastically love to own a Pepe-themed keeb.Pardon my ignorance, but what have you designed?
Btw biip, as a Korean-American designer, I find this set to be a pretty ingenious inspiration-to-product example of thinking in the keyboard space. Regardless of whether or not people find the precedent to be distasteful (as they have a right to express that opinion), the thinking behind this set is very unique and I'd like to see more colorways explore this type of creativity.
GLWS!
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Post by: hansikhouse on Thu, 24 October 2019, 18:03:32
I'm guessing that someone from this thread is the one who posted the short-lived "GMK Offended" IC today. On a serious note, if you or anyone else is willing to move forward with that set, I would personally and unsarcastically love to own a Pepe-themed keeb.Pardon my ignorance, but what have you designed?
Btw biip, as a Korean-American designer, I find this set to be a pretty ingenious inspiration-to-product example of thinking in the keyboard space. Regardless of whether or not people find the precedent to be distasteful (as they have a right to express that opinion), the thinking behind this set is very unique and I'd like to see more colorways explore this type of creativity.
GLWS!
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Nothing in keebs (yet, but hopefully soon!). I'm an architect by background and currently developing an urban development/real estate app. Working on a set of layered acrylic TKLs at the moment to try my hand at a small initial GB.
Post by: OtherAndrew on Thu, 24 October 2019, 19:38:22
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 24 October 2019, 19:42:35
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
weebs don't care
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 24 October 2019, 19:57:30
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
weebs don't care
Can confirm.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 20:13:39
FactsI strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
weebs don't care
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 24 October 2019, 20:19:33
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
weebs don't care
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Post by: cekagekh on Thu, 24 October 2019, 21:10:29
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Thu, 24 October 2019, 21:33:24
Set renamed. I will change the text novelties soon.I kindly request to please keep as much edge as feasible on the novelties. TBH, I love the Death / Suicide mods combo, but I understand... maybe keep Death as it reminds us that life is precious and should not be squandered? Or maybe just bring more novelties in addition in order to keep the original ones!
Also, design changes may please one group but drive another away...
I suggest using Honor / Death mods combo for the novelties.
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
weebs don't care
it looks cool so... yep, don't care
Post by: biip on Fri, 25 October 2019, 04:34:19
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Could you explain me what’s wrong? I’m taking Japanese lessons and took the inspiration from some “modern” Japanese fonts. I tried to simplify the strokes without denaturing them. I also shown it to some native and they did not have any issue with it. I’m definitely interested to improve the font if I can.
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 25 October 2019, 06:35:02
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Out of place in what way? Are you sure you're not just used to seeing Hiragana, so Katakana looks "weird" to you? I've long felt that Hiragana is too round and script-y to be paired with block Latin legends and that Katakana is a much better match stylistically.
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 25 October 2019, 08:44:07
aka novelties kit
Enter: Disgrace
From left to right: Death / Suicide / Dishonor / Punishment
I'll make new text novelties with less aggressive titles…
(https://i.imgur.com/JrG4T15.png)
what does the r1 katakana mean? and could you include another with the white font so that it does clash with the two tone for those just using the base kit?
Post by: biip on Fri, 25 October 2019, 09:31:13
what does the r1 katakana mean? and could you include another with the white font so that it does clash with the two tone for those just using the base kit?
This is a mix of resentment and regret.
Post by: audiosl4ve on Fri, 25 October 2019, 09:46:47
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 25 October 2019, 13:41:29
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Could you explain me what’s wrong? I’m taking Japanese lessons and took the inspiration from some “modern” Japanese fonts. I tried to simplify the strokes without denaturing them. I also shown it to some native and they did not have any issue with it. I’m definitely interested to improve the font if I can.
Take a good, long look at "V2" hiragana sublegends.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/products/Striker_01_Core_1296x.png?v=1556130308)
Post by: radam on Fri, 25 October 2019, 14:18:31
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Fri, 25 October 2019, 14:23:11
I don’t speak or write Japanese, but aesthetically, I like your katakana sub legends and think they pair well with the design of your set.Agreed, something different then all the other sets that offer japanese sublegends
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Post by: radam on Fri, 25 October 2019, 14:28:17
Post by: biip on Fri, 25 October 2019, 14:45:33
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Could you explain me what’s wrong? I’m taking Japanese lessons and took the inspiration from some “modern” Japanese fonts. I tried to simplify the strokes without denaturing them. I also shown it to some native and they did not have any issue with it. I’m definitely interested to improve the font if I can.
Take a good, long look at "V2" hiragana sublegends.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/products/Striker_01_Core_1296x.png?v=1556130308)
Katakanas and Hiraganas are two different things. Did you even read the IC?
It would be nice if you’d be able to at least explain things.
Post by: kolyz on Fri, 25 October 2019, 15:16:02
https://www.fluentin3months.com/hiragana-vs-katakana/
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 25 October 2019, 15:21:21
I strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Your set has missing legends, plain and simpe.
Could you explain me what’s wrong? I’m taking Japanese lessons and took the inspiration from some “modern” Japanese fonts. I tried to simplify the strokes without denaturing them. I also shown it to some native and they did not have any issue with it. I’m definitely interested to improve the font if I can.
Take a good, long look at "V2" hiragana sublegends.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/products/Striker_01_Core_1296x.png?v=1556130308)
Katakanas and Hiraganas are two different things. Did you even read the IC?
It would be nice if you’d be able to at least explain things.
Your set has missing legends, plain and simple.
Post by: Tonkatonk on Fri, 25 October 2019, 15:22:18
wooshI strongly urge OP to use accurate Japanese sublegends instead of what he has currently.
Agree. OP definitely needs some extra help from a few Japanese designers who have good taste in type design. The current font looks really out of place when paired with GMK's latin legends.
Could you explain me what’s wrong? I’m taking Japanese lessons and took the inspiration from some “modern” Japanese fonts. I tried to simplify the strokes without denaturing them. I also shown it to some native and they did not have any issue with it. I’m definitely interested to improve the font if I can.
Take a good, long look at "V2" hiragana sublegends.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/products/Striker_01_Core_1296x.png?v=1556130308)
Katakanas and Hiraganas are two different things. Did you even read the IC?
It would be nice if you’d be able to at least explain things.
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Post by: psxndc on Fri, 25 October 2019, 15:45:09
Katakanas and Hiraganas are two different things. Did you even read the IC?
It would be nice if you’d be able to at least explain things.
Your set has missing legends, plain and simple.
I'll try to translate. In GMK Striker, the Z key has both the hiragana tsu and then small hiragana tsu to represent a doubled consonant. In this set, there's only the katakana tsu. Same thing for the numerals, e.g., in GMK Striker, 9 has small "yo" but doesn't here.
Of course, OtherAndrew didn't say that outright; they just put up a snarky comment about consulting a designer.
Post by: biip on Fri, 25 October 2019, 16:11:32
Katakanas and Hiraganas are two different things. Did you even read the IC?
It would be nice if you’d be able to at least explain things.
Your set has missing legends, plain and simple.
I'll try to translate. In GMK Striker, the Z key has both the hiragana tsu and then small hiragana tsu to represent a doubled consonant. In this set, there's only the katakana tsu. Same thing for the numerals, e.g., in GMK Striker, 9 has small "yo" but doesn't here.
Of course, OtherAndrew didn't say that outright; they just put up a snarky comment about consulting a designer.
But there are sets with Hiraganas which doesn’t have The doubled consonant, such as Bentō.
Only the ロ is missing atm on Bushidō.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Fri, 25 October 2019, 17:46:49
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 25 October 2019, 19:39:53
I'll try to translate. In GMK Striker, the Z key has both the hiragana tsu and then small hiragana tsu to represent a doubled consonant. In this set, there's only the katakana tsu. Same thing for the numerals, e.g., in GMK Striker, 9 has small "yo" but doesn't here.
Of course, OtherAndrew didn't say that outright; they just put up a snarky comment about consulting a designer.
But there are sets with Hiraganas which doesn’t have The doubled consonant, such as Bentō.
Only the ロ is missing atm on Bushidō.
I get it. I'm not complaining one bit about what you've done, I was just trying to facilitate the conversation. I wasn't supporting OtherAndrew's comment. They'll have to speak to that, hopefully in a tone more conducive to discussion.
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 26 October 2019, 03:07:29
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 26 October 2019, 03:21:23
Yo one good thing about all these snowflakes freaking out about the name is that the set has a great deal of hype around it. Controversy brings in the hype, meaning you got interest :thumb: :thumb:My sentiments exactly. Winter set down upon humanity. Snowflakes everywhere.
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Post by: Tonkatonk on Sat, 26 October 2019, 10:23:16
One of the only big keyboard designers who I think deserves respect. You can always count on your keyboard being covered if it’s being designed by biip. And if it doesn’t make MOQ at least he took the extra effort (is making a picture/render of a kit really that hard? I mean most of these guys have scripts for it. So like as hard as pressing enter) whereas most big designers, you ask where is ortho support, or say why are you missing this key from specialties, you just get a “deal with it” type response. If you get one at all.
Glad you found a set that embodies your essence enough for you to back. Maybe we'll even see you post it, and if we're really lucky see how an alpha like you really lives.
Meanwhile I'll just be here typing on a pink polycarbonate board with GMK Olivia.
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Post by: Zurg Eon on Sat, 26 October 2019, 12:23:05
Hey, I have been struggling with suicidal thoughts most of my life, and even I didn't get offended by the initial name. All it did was give me associations to cool samurai movies. If anyone should have been offended by this, it's the Japanese people. It's their history.One of the only big keyboard designers who I think deserves respect. You can always count on your keyboard being covered if it’s being designed by biip. And if it doesn’t make MOQ at least he took the extra effort (is making a picture/render of a kit really that hard? I mean most of these guys have scripts for it. So like as hard as pressing enter) whereas most big designers, you ask where is ortho support, or say why are you missing this key from specialties, you just get a “deal with it” type response. If you get one at all.
Glad you found a set that embodies your essence enough for you to back. Maybe we'll even see you post it, and if we're really lucky see how an alpha like you really lives.
Meanwhile I'll just be here typing on a pink polycarbonate board with GMK Olivia.
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If you don't like the theme, then that's OK. Do you want the designer to change the name, the theme and the novelties just so you can like it? If it's not for you then stay out, just like I stayed out of the Olivia GB. No problem.
Post by: regionfree on Sat, 26 October 2019, 23:02:20
Call this GMK Irony.
Post by: mtuanvu on Sun, 27 October 2019, 00:01:34
Post by: unluckyxiii on Sun, 27 October 2019, 00:17:04
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Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 27 October 2019, 07:21:55
Being ironic a sarcastic helps just your low urges and even that only for a short time. It for sure does not help him (in case you think he needs a lesson) to understand anything.One of the only big keyboard designers who I think deserves respect. You can always count on your keyboard being covered if it’s being designed by biip. And if it doesn’t make MOQ at least he took the extra effort (is making a picture/render of a kit really that hard? I mean most of these guys have scripts for it. So like as hard as pressing enter) whereas most big designers, you ask where is ortho support, or say why are you missing this key from specialties, you just get a “deal with it” type response. If you get one at all.
Glad you found a set that embodies your essence enough for you to back. Maybe we'll even see you post it, and if we're really lucky see how an alpha like you really lives.
Meanwhile I'll just be here typing on a pink polycarbonate board with GMK Olivia.
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Post by: fm on Sun, 27 October 2019, 11:23:14
Post by: Zurg Eon on Sun, 27 October 2019, 12:00:11
Post by: Niahi on Sun, 27 October 2019, 20:22:11
:)
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Post by: biip on Mon, 28 October 2019, 03:13:33
In the Samurai kit there are two R1's. Is the second R1 actually R2? I do hope so, and it looks like it is R2 in the Alice render.
Indeed the second row is supposed to be R2 :thumb:
My bad…
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Tue, 29 October 2019, 08:21:10
Post by: biip on Tue, 29 October 2019, 08:24:29
Any update on this, are we getting close to making this a reality?
Well, I have vendors which are definitely in!
I need to update the novelties kit and add the ロ character first :thumb:
Post by: KillinItTakyon on Tue, 29 October 2019, 23:46:14
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 30 October 2019, 01:49:50
I love the theme to this! I was thinking about making a similar color scheme to match Babymetal's colors (and call it GMK Fox God) but this is basically it! Excited to join this GB.
Bruh, you need to check out GMK Kitsune (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102990.0). Personally I prefer the look of this one, but still. I literally begged them to make a Babymetal novelty key for it. Will that ever reach the GB stage? OTFGK.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Fri, 01 November 2019, 09:53:14
Yes im a bit obsessed!
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 01 November 2019, 10:54:13
Post by: asspennies on Fri, 01 November 2019, 11:19:21
I have a far bigger issue with the two tone alphas being the base kit. They really should be an optional kit. With prices on custom keycaps already sky high, the idea of nickel-and-diming the consumer to buy an extra kit just to have matching colors turns me sour.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Fri, 01 November 2019, 11:33:25
I have a far bigger issue with the two tone alphas being the base kit. They really should be an optional kit. With prices on custom keycaps already sky high, the idea of nickel-and-diming the consumer to buy an extra kit just to have matching colors turns me sour.
I see it from the other angle. the two tones create a unique and different look then the majority of the other sets being put out. To me its one of the pillars of this set.
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 01 November 2019, 11:37:30
I see it from the other angle. the two tones create a unique and different look then the majority of the other sets being put out. To me its one of the pillars of this set.
QFT.
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 01 November 2019, 11:43:07
I have a far bigger issue with the two tone alphas being the base kit. They really should be an optional kit. With prices on custom keycaps already sky high, the idea of nickel-and-diming the consumer to buy an extra kit just to have matching colors turns me sour.
I see it from the other angle. the two tones create a unique and different look then the majority of the other sets being put out. To me its one of the pillars of this set.
Which is fine, but then base should be in single color tone, and anyone interested in differentiation can go for alt color, and tbh the entire set in red looks killer....no pun intended.
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 01 November 2019, 12:15:31
And an add-on kit to have the white legend variation for some of the keys? esp Alphas?
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 01 November 2019, 12:28:28
Why not making the default as full bushido? (all red legends)
And an add-on kit to have the white legend variation for some of the keys? esp Alphas?
I 100% agree. The add-on should be the white and the base should be the all one color.
This just seems like a ploy to try and sell an add-on kit at additional cost.
Post by: biip on Fri, 01 November 2019, 12:37:59
Why not making the default as full bushido? (all red legends)
And an add-on kit to have the white legend variation for some of the keys? esp Alphas?
I 100% agree. The add-on should be the white and the base should be the all one color.
This just seems like a ploy to try and sell an add-on kit at additional cost.
The split does not come from nowhere. It literally symbolize the seppuku ritual (with the blade being on the return key).
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 01 November 2019, 13:01:27
This just seems like a ploy to try and sell an add-on kit at additional cost.
I'm sure this was the idea; Biip's got a house payment to make and the only way to make that happen is to force people to buy an add-on kit. /s :rolleyes:
This is a concept keyset, folks. The two-tone approach is part of that concept. Heck, look at the logo - white on top, red on the bottom. If it ain't your jam, that's fine, but don't accuse Biip - who's one of the most accommodating designers around here - of intentionally trying to stick it to people.
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 01 November 2019, 13:49:02
Why not making the default as full bushido? (all red legends)
And an add-on kit to have the white legend variation for some of the keys? esp Alphas?
I 100% agree. The add-on should be the white and the base should be the all one color.
This just seems like a ploy to try and sell an add-on kit at additional cost.
The split does not come from nowhere. It literally symbolize the seppuku ritual (with the blade being on the return key).
Now I get it.
I would agree if the return key (a blade) row is the only role with a difference legend color (be it red or white) - then it will be more obvious with the idea of seppuku.
If the kit want to make life of most users easier, I would suggest a same legend color base kit - perhaps with a generous seppuku return key added.
And then and add-on kit to achieve the seppuku look, like most other kits that achieve their distinctive look with their add-on kits.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 01 November 2019, 14:14:16
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 01 November 2019, 14:46:47
ITT people telling a designer how to design his set. More news at 11.
I try not to.
As a potential user and consumer, I try to voice out how I feel if I am to use it.
By the way,
What's the difference between the feedback to a design, versus, say, a critic?
And can there be or should there be a critic of art and design?
One can say,
Everything is freedom of expression, and so as art and design, of keyboard stuff.
Designs are more realistic than art in that they need some practicality to fit the users for some purpose; while at the same time it does not need to please all users.
And so it goes, designers should have their freedom to express their design ideas and will, even for some very out of the world ideas;
users who want to contribute feedback should express also freely, as long as not scammingly.
While moderators and admins are the governments, they have the power to control expressions, e.g. who are allowed to run GB or not, who are allowed to post or not.
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 01 November 2019, 16:26:18
ITT people telling a designer how to design his set. More news at 11.
I try not to.
As a potential user and consumer, I try to voice out how I feel if I am to use it.
By the way,
What's the difference between the feedback to a design, versus, say, a critic?
And can there be or should there be a critic of art and design?
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, but I thought what you said was fine, eg, the base kit should all be the same color and white should be an add-on. To me, that's what ICs are for - feedback on the kit.
What I didn't like was clik-clak's suggestion that it was a ploy to charge more money; like biip is being sneaky. And while biip can fight their own battles, my interactions with biip have all been really positive, so it rubbed me the wrong way that they were being attacked and, again, IMHO, that's not what ICs are for.
Post by: ShuraSomething on Fri, 01 November 2019, 17:40:33
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 01 November 2019, 21:21:44
Hello, biip! First-time on the site haha this set looks amazing! :thumb: I've just gotten into the whole keycap space recently and have been following the gmk designs for a bit and have always wanted to get a set for myself :) I just wanna know if you'll be or are thinking adding Euro keycaps like the 3£ to the set since the set has the iso layout? Still an amazing design regardless :)
The other challenge is there being the base kit alphas and the dishonor kit, a Norde kit would either have to be two toned leaving out the ppl that want to use the dishonor kit or you'd have to include dishonored keys to the Norde Kit further increasing the price.
but it would be dope.
Post by: biip on Sat, 02 November 2019, 04:21:54
Hello, biip! First-time on the site haha this set looks amazing! :thumb: I've just gotten into the whole keycap space recently and have been following the gmk designs for a bit and have always wanted to get a set for myself :) I just wanna know if you'll be or are thinking adding Euro keycaps like the 3£ to the set since the set has the iso layout? Still an amazing design regardless :)
That would significantly increase the price. Keep in mind that we already have custom colors and new molds being made for that set :thumb:
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Post by: Aevyn on Mon, 04 November 2019, 10:39:49
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Post by: justsomerandomusername on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:31:23
Having the base kit with the split is going to draw much more attention compared to a single color.
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:50:17
Since people are expressing their opinion on whether they prefer a single color vs dual color on the base kit, I'm also going to express that I prefer the dual color even if I end up buying all the other kits.Cannot agree more! The dual color makes this set so unique
Having the base kit with the split is going to draw much more attention compared to a single color.
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Post by: Willhurt2008 on Tue, 05 November 2019, 03:31:59
Since people are expressing their opinion on whether they prefer a single color vs dual color on the base kit, I'm also going to express that I prefer the dual color even if I end up buying all the other kits.Cannot agree more! The dual color makes this set so unique
Having the base kit with the split is going to draw much more attention compared to a single color.
Yes! Without white it's just a nice black-and-red set, but with white it's unforgettable
Post by: nightgyr on Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:13:39
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 05 November 2019, 18:27:29
Edit: Just read all the drama. Geez... I hope you don't sway from your original vision.
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 06 November 2019, 02:46:52
I dig the colorway and I collect toys related to Samurai since I was small.
Just the base set will cost almost 75% of the money I can spend in a whole month, and I have to save enough for this set.
As a topic related to Bushidō - which is not limited to the book much later written by Inazo Nitobe for the western audience “Bushidō: The Soul of Japan”, I live in Berlin which is kind of a gay people center of Europe, and many good friends are gay and are more and more fond of the Samurai culture because as a matter of historical fact most if not all of the Samurai were homosexual or at least practiced mostly homosexuality. It is not talked about as often because modern Japan after late 19th century was converted to scrap homosexuality as part of its normal practice. The Samurai preferred sex with guys than with women as a superstitious thinking to stay away from “getting more feminine” if they have sex with females, and so they could stay strong if they get lucky with men instead.. Their Samurai code of conduct and also some fighting skills, which is explored by that book I mentioned above, was passed on almost like an ancient Greek way: an older Samurai usually would “bond with” a younger boy Samurai-wannabe to teach him all these and at the same time engage with this boy the way of men love.
I just felt fascinated when I learnt about this.
Post by: Jude. on Wed, 06 November 2019, 22:53:37
Post by: Katsurio on Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:17:42
Awesome work though!!!
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:24:40
I hope I will have enough money to get this set when this GB run... and I will get also the “Dishonest set” to make a bright blood red on grey consistent aesthetics. And I hope there can be some extra white on grey set so as to make this lovely set even more versatile.
I dig the colorway and I collect toys related to Samurai since I was small.
Just the base set will cost almost 75% of the money I can spend in a whole month, and I have to save enough for this set.
As a topic related to Bushidō - which is not limited to the book much later written by Inazo Nitobe for the western audience “Bushidō: The Soul of Japan”, I live in Berlin which is kind of a gay people center of Europe, and many good friends are gay and are more and more fond of the Samurai culture because as a matter of historical fact most if not all of the Samurai were homosexual or at least practiced mostly homosexuality. It is not talked about as often because modern Japan after late 19th century was converted to scrap homosexuality as part of its normal practice. The Samurai preferred sex with guys than with women as a superstitious thinking to stay away from “getting more feminine” if they have sex with females, and so they could stay strong if they get lucky with men instead.. Their Samurai code of conduct and also some fighting skills, which is explored by that book I mentioned above, was passed on almost like an ancient Greek way: an older Samurai usually would “bond with” a younger boy Samurai-wannabe to teach him all these and at the same time engage with this boy the way of men love.
I just felt fascinated when I learnt about this.
thanks for the extremely off topic information!
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 07 November 2019, 11:47:28
I hope I will have enough money to get this set when this GB run... and I will get also the “Dishonest set” to make a bright blood red on grey consistent aesthetics. And I hope there can be some extra white on grey set so as to make this lovely set even more versatile.
I dig the colorway and I collect toys related to Samurai since I was small.
Just the base set will cost almost 75% of the money I can spend in a whole month, and I have to save enough for this set.
As a topic related to Bushidō - which is not limited to the book much later written by Inazo Nitobe for the western audience “Bushidō: The Soul of Japan”, I live in Berlin which is kind of a gay people center of Europe, and many good friends are gay and are more and more fond of the Samurai culture because as a matter of historical fact most if not all of the Samurai were homosexual or at least practiced mostly homosexuality. It is not talked about as often because modern Japan after late 19th century was converted to scrap homosexuality as part of its normal practice. The Samurai preferred sex with guys than with women as a superstitious thinking to stay away from “getting more feminine” if they have sex with females, and so they could stay strong if they get lucky with men instead.. Their Samurai code of conduct and also some fighting skills, which is explored by that book I mentioned above, was passed on almost like an ancient Greek way: an older Samurai usually would “bond with” a younger boy Samurai-wannabe to teach him all these and at the same time engage with this boy the way of men love.
I just felt fascinated when I learnt about this.
thanks for the extremely off topic information!
I really dig RO2 red of GMK and the modern grey.
Bushidō and Samurai - this is actually quite on topic
https://www.tofugu.com/japan/gay-samurai/
(I don't totally agree with how the author evaluate that particular "Bushidō" book versus the real Bushidō, but he dag up some real history)
Post by: Robosculpts on Sat, 23 November 2019, 00:38:39
EDIT: I guess it's an ISO thing.
Post by: bthezebra on Sat, 23 November 2019, 07:14:11
Post by: bliss on Sun, 24 November 2019, 15:05:35
Can someone tell me why there is a R3 1u \ and a R4 1u \ under the ISO enter in the base set picture? I'd totally use the R4 1u \ to switch my 1u enter to R3 in a preonic. But I'm starting to think that one of those might be a mistake, maybe, I'm not sure.
EDIT: I guess it's an ISO thing.
These are perfectly fine. US over ISO, PC style :thumb:
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 24 November 2019, 17:44:26
Can someone tell me why there is a R3 1u \ and a R4 1u \ under the ISO enter in the base set picture? I'd totally use the R4 1u \ to switch my 1u enter to R3 in a preonic. But I'm starting to think that one of those might be a mistake, maybe, I'm not sure.
EDIT: I guess it's an ISO thing.
These are perfectly fine. US over ISO, PC style :thumb:
More than fine, really. If I could only get a R3 page up so I could put this set in the SP111. I'm already going to get 2 sets of this haha. This whole set is ace!
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 28 November 2019, 10:31:09
ITT people telling a designer how to design his set. More news at 11.
I try not to.
As a potential user and consumer, I try to voice out how I feel if I am to use it.
By the way,
What's the difference between the feedback to a design, versus, say, a critic?
And can there be or should there be a critic of art and design?
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, but I thought what you said was fine, eg, the base kit should all be the same color and white should be an add-on. To me, that's what ICs are for - feedback on the kit.
What I didn't like was clik-clak's suggestion that it was a ploy to charge more money; like biip is being sneaky. And while biip can fight their own battles, my interactions with biip have all been really positive, so it rubbed me the wrong way that they were being attacked and, again, IMHO, that's not what ICs are for.
I don't really care if you don't like my suggestion. I called it as I saw it.
Biip came in and explained why the setup is done the way it is, and it makes sense to me. I'll get the set regardless, and the vendor that sells it will get extra from me for the add-on kit. It's a win-win situation for all.
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 28 November 2019, 11:11:42
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 28 November 2019, 11:17:43
I don't really care if you don't like my suggestion. I called it as I saw it.
It wasn't your suggestion I didn't like, it was that you were being an a-hole in the way you made it. I don't really care if you don't like my suggestion on your conduct. I called it as I saw it.
Post by: Arithmetics on Thu, 28 November 2019, 20:10:55
Post by: biip on Fri, 29 November 2019, 02:36:50
keep set as is. def what makes it unique and eye catching. im in for this set all the way
I don't plan to change the base kit :thumb:
I'm considering a white addon kit though. But I'm waiting for GMK to give me a sign atm.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 30 November 2019, 06:54:03
Post by: obitwo on Sat, 30 November 2019, 07:56:54
Post by: hiko13 on Sat, 30 November 2019, 08:12:27
Post by: Robosculpts on Sat, 30 November 2019, 08:16:49
Cannot wait. Now I'm just trying to figure out what color board to pair this with.
Same! I want to know how well this goes with a white or black Dawn/7V.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Sun, 01 December 2019, 22:09:34
Post by: sozo on Mon, 02 December 2019, 01:15:46
Post by: radam on Tue, 03 December 2019, 07:03:03
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 03 December 2019, 07:20:17
Want to suggest, again, a 1u R2 white tab in the nomad kit for compatibility with orthos that have a number row (or just liking tab in R2 with esc in R3). pls.
+1
Edit: Is there going to be a 1u R2 novelty like the one in the rama 65a picture? The picture of novelties shows two rows of 1u R1?
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Wed, 04 December 2019, 10:51:12
I love this project and would like to add the pic to my signature in support of it, how do I do that?
Post by: kolyz on Wed, 04 December 2019, 12:33:47
Sorry guys, stupid question.
I love this project and would like to add the pic to my signature in support of it, how do I do that?
Go to Profile ->Forum Profile -> Signature.
Copy this and paste it in Signature.
Code: [Select]
[url=https://bit.ly/gmkbushido][img width=302 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/u8jzP1N.png[/img][/url]
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Wed, 04 December 2019, 12:53:25
Sorry guys, stupid question.
I love this project and would like to add the pic to my signature in support of it, how do I do that?
Go to Profile ->Forum Profile -> Signature.
Copy this and paste it in Signature.Code: [Select][url=https://bit.ly/gmkbushido][img width=302 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/u8jzP1N.png[/img][/url]
Thank you!
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 05 December 2019, 06:04:42
Post by: zstsc on Fri, 06 December 2019, 17:52:05
Post by: Arithmetics on Sat, 07 December 2019, 21:45:36
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:04:20
Pleaes add another B for alice like keyboard in extension kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/huXG04i.png)
コンニチハ!
Introducing GMK Bushidō.
I wanted to realize a dark themed keyset for a while, around Samurai and Japanese history.
I went for a cold and a light gray in order to get a strong but subtle color contrast.
The vivid red is definitely the most important color here.
All the colors come from the RAL book.
Group Buy infos
When?
Q1 2020
Where?
Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, Dailyclack.
LegendsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/llSowQo.png)
You might have noticed, these alphas currently does not exist... I decided to offer new Japanese sub-legends (instead of Hiraganas): Katakanas.
Those are definitely more sharpened and "aggressive" than Hiraganas, slicing the alphas like the Wakizashi!
Corners will be rounded on the keycaps in order to fit with the Latin alphas.
Renders
Made by the one and only Oblotzky.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Y5ymF2O.png)
Keycult No.1/65Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QuwW8bk.png)
Keycult No.1/65Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hjBKMUs.png)
Rama M60-AShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/W6E3vu7.png)
Rama M60-AShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/4w09dmc.png)
Rama M60-AShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/D3i2ApS.jpg)
TGR AliceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ljDOmQ6.png)
TGR AliceShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/cm62ppj.jpg)
TGR x Singa UnikornShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xw7YOio.jpg)
TGR x Singa UnikornShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/BWDCdn6.png)
Rama M65-AShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7kFXhFT.png)
Rama M65-AShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/FsVS7TT.png)
BulletShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S2MYibJ.jpg)
BulletShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/K3qs8JP.png)
TGR Jane-2Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6ZF3Gi6.jpg)
TGR Jane-2
Kits
ベースキット Base kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/IVDCzsc.png)
サムライキット Samurai kit
aka novelties kit
Enter: Disgrace
From left to right: Death / Suicide / Dishonor / Punishment
I'll make new text novelties with less aggressive titles…Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JrG4T15.png)
ジゴクキット Dishonor kit
An add-on kit to go full bushido!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aUqodHL.png)
ノマドキット Nomad kit
Extension kit for small keyboardsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/nHoCPBl.png)
スペースキーキット Spacebars kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sSGVEGl.png)
Special thanks to jeffccy who helped me with the translation and text novelties.
Feel free to let me know what do you think in the comments.
Signature:Code: [Select][url=https://bit.ly/gmkbushido][img width=302 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/u8jzP1N.png[/img][/url]
サヨウナラ!
Post by: biip on Mon, 09 December 2019, 03:46:30
any chance of a RAMA collab on this one? a brass novel would be niceeee
Yes.
Could we get a white legends full set as well? the reverse of dishonor/full bushido?
Probably.
I'm finalizing the KAM Wraith project atm. Then I will post a nice update here :thumb:
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 09 December 2019, 04:01:37
any chance of a RAMA collab on this one? a brass novel would be niceeee
Yes.Could we get a white legends full set as well? the reverse of dishonor/full bushido?
yes yes yes
Probably.
I'm finalizing the KAM Wraith project atm. Then I will post a nice update here :thumb:
Post by: biip on Mon, 09 December 2019, 04:38:31
What are the colors used? The dark blue/grey reminds me of GMK Nord. Nord's modifier color is 280 20 10 from the RAL book. I ask because If it matches, I could use the ergo caps from Nord to use with this.
Starting color will be 280 40 10 :thumb:
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 09 December 2019, 05:56:01
What are the colors used? The dark blue/grey reminds me of GMK Nord. Nord's modifier color is 280 20 10 from the RAL book. I ask because If it matches, I could use the ergo caps from Nord to use with this.
Starting color will be 280 40 10 :thumb:
Soo close that'll I'll use it anyways! :D Looking forward to your update.
Post by: dogzor on Mon, 09 December 2019, 10:58:02
Post by: fiduta on Mon, 16 December 2019, 20:59:08
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Thu, 02 January 2020, 10:13:07
Post by: biip on Thu, 02 January 2020, 10:18:53
Any idea of a date for the GB?
April 2020 :thumb:
Post by: zakatak on Thu, 02 January 2020, 12:34:53
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Post by: CodeMayhem on Thu, 02 January 2020, 16:42:43
Any idea of a date for the GB?
April 2020 :thumb:
Great timing for me. All my weeb sets are spaced out perfectly, meta in Jan. Kaiju in late Feb. (presumably) and then this; also waiting on Serika and Alter. AYAYAYYAYYAY!!!!
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Post by: chowbabyloving on Sat, 04 January 2020, 14:13:18
What are the colors used? The dark blue/grey reminds me of GMK Nord. Nord's modifier color is 280 20 10 from the RAL book. I ask because If it matches, I could use the ergo caps from Nord to use with this.
Starting color will be 280 40 10 :thumb:
Soo close that'll I'll use it anyways! :D Looking forward to your update.
What are the other RAL colors used? I was going to order a custom cable for this set now.
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 02:51:33
What are the colors used? The dark blue/grey reminds me of GMK Nord. Nord's modifier color is 280 20 10 from the RAL book. I ask because If it matches, I could use the ergo caps from Nord to use with this.
Starting color will be 280 40 10 :thumb:
Soo close that'll I'll use it anyways! :D Looking forward to your update.
What are the other RAL colors used? I was going to order a custom cable for this set now.
The red will be Pantone© 178C.
The white might be WS2.
:thumb:
Post by: chowbabyloving on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:12:32
Post by: chowbabyloving on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:26:33
Post by: nightgyr on Mon, 03 February 2020, 09:22:12
How can I get updates? Is there a mailing list or will you update this thread?
Thanks!
Post by: biip on Mon, 03 February 2020, 09:27:51
this is amazing.. GB starts only in April? nooooo..
How can I get updates? Is there a mailing list or will you update this thread?
Thanks!
Yes, april!
Updates through discord (https://discordapp.com/invite/nK6jKYt) and instagram (@biipmk)
:thumb:
Post by: Rejeckted on Tue, 04 February 2020, 10:22:06
Post by: Emir on Sun, 16 February 2020, 03:52:03
One of the best and most creative sets, but was ruined by Dixie mods. We in it now bois!
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:17:13
[...] but was ruined by Dixie mods. We in it now bois!
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/98119926ee526b898270484c3ab8fcd0/tenor.gif?itemid=11799899)
Post by: Krelbit on Sun, 16 February 2020, 12:30:04
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 16 February 2020, 20:33:43
Post by: McMack04 on Mon, 17 February 2020, 00:02:04
Post by: biip on Mon, 17 February 2020, 08:31:58
Renders
Made by the one and only Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/adSAhNL.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/Gt7C0NZ.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/8HY2tTk.png)
Keycult No.1/65
(https://i.imgur.com/5njwaFf.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/crIx4A7.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/R39d1aI.png)
Rama M60-A
(https://i.imgur.com/oB4VoYS.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/uIXTm3M.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/qChl4dP.png)
TGR x Singa Unikorn
(https://i.imgur.com/YaV7Tl0.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/sGQMeFY.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/jijxD6a.png)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/BGpeKpG.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/jwhqzX0.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/RtpjDgJ.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1 WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/UyvDPgc.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/Fxw2ax8.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/8DBNZAK.png)
Keycult No.2 Rev.1
(https://i.imgur.com/DIoDxzM.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/4RcLoTh.png)
Rama M65-A
(https://i.imgur.com/1vHrSce.png)
Rama M65-A
Kits
ベースキット Base kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ptdhh5p.png)
サムライキット Samurai kit
aka novelties kit
From left to right: Death / Life (vitality)
Enter: Deliverance
From left to right: Honor / Offense / Samurai / Redemption
(https://i.imgur.com/JfymJlG.png)
ジゴクキット Dishonor kit
An add-on kit to go full bushido!
(https://i.imgur.com/7KyEhjI.png)
ノマドキット Nomad kit
Extension kit for small keyboards
(https://i.imgur.com/Iy3jXTQ.png)
スペースキーキット Spacebars kit
(https://i.imgur.com/KPxA480.png)
Post by: Zurg Eon on Mon, 17 February 2020, 18:32:57
Post by: peteAllen on Tue, 18 February 2020, 05:30:06
Post by: CodeMayhem on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:42:11
Post by: biip on Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:07:38
what do the R1 novelties mean?
red legend: death
white legend: life (vitality)
Post by: SirCrazian on Tue, 18 February 2020, 15:03:34
Post by: doveman on Wed, 26 February 2020, 02:12:24
Post by: biip on Thu, 27 February 2020, 03:09:02
(https://i.imgur.com/shFktBD.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/r10N6R8.png)
Bullet
(https://i.imgur.com/t3eLLnq.png)
Bullet
Post by: youreyesonly on Mon, 16 March 2020, 06:30:47
Post by: Domino on Tue, 17 March 2020, 21:52:09
I'm sorry to leave a message at the bottom of this.I had a private message from you before, but I didn't receive a reply.
I would like to ask whether there will be other versions of DOTS ID design?I love this design, but before it was a dark background, I prefer a white background or a light background,
Looking forward to your reply.
Excuse my poor English.
Post by: biip on Wed, 18 March 2020, 09:10:43
The amazing Space Cables (https://spacecables.net) will offer 2 types of cable to match the GMK Bushdiō set:
Bushidō cable
(https://i.imgur.com/6Ag9KR1.png)
White heat shrink on the device side connector, black heat shrink for all other points.
Imperial red cord with black tech flex for the optional coiled device portion.
Black cord with black tech flex for the host portion.
6 FT (2m) long
USB-C, Mini-B and Micro
Detachable aviator connector
Bushidō blood cable
(https://i.imgur.com/NQMiDaf.png)
Red heat shrink on the device side connector, black heat shrink for all other points.
Blood splattered White cord with no tech flex for the optional coiled device portion.
Black cord with no tech flex for the host portion.
6 FT (2m) long
USB-C, Mini-B and Micro
Detachable aviator connector
More pics
More
(https://i.imgur.com/Ax3vjev.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/p0QrOC0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/p0QrOC0.png)
Post by: biip on Wed, 18 March 2020, 09:21:07
(https://i.imgur.com/hQrB086.jpg)
5 types of artisans + 1 random gift artisan.
You just need to join the Group Buy of the keyset to be eligible for the raffle.
You'll have to choose your favorite sculpt (in an incoming form) and put your order number into it in order to enter!
Bushidō Medieval artisans
5 of each available.
(https://i.imgur.com/vIA3qhp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mzxNiRI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1l13yRP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/17jvTMF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I7dYimx.jpg)
Bushidō skull artisan
2 available which will be randomly gifted.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xu5UVkX.jpg)
Post by: leftykeys on Wed, 18 March 2020, 12:10:11
Post by: biip on Sat, 21 March 2020, 12:45:16
Path of the Bushidō
PVD brass keycap
(https://i.imgur.com/0HIjAjW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/29eTyOL.png)
Post by: Rejeckted on Sat, 21 March 2020, 13:09:58
Post by: ISOxSwap on Sat, 21 March 2020, 13:10:28
Post by: h2oxide on Wed, 01 April 2020, 01:31:46
I'd buy it in a heartbeat if they were all uniform.
Post by: trustworthy on Wed, 01 April 2020, 19:48:36
Post by: digid3ar on Thu, 02 April 2020, 17:25:30
Not sure if this has been covered already, but why the disparity between the Japanese legends in the Base vs the Samurai kit? They're uniform/solid in the base kit vs brush strokes in the Samurai kit.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat if they were all uniform.
is a novelty kit, they should stand out over the base kit.
Post by: biip on Thu, 02 April 2020, 17:37:49
Not sure if this has been covered already, but why the disparity between the Japanese legends in the Base vs the Samurai kit? They're uniform/solid in the base kit vs brush strokes in the Samurai kit.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat if they were all uniform.
To make them look more distinctive and give them importance.
The novelties must stand out compared to the other keycaps.
Post by: mikagee on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:41:04
Post by: biip on Fri, 03 April 2020, 03:15:04
Post by: Banshii on Thu, 09 April 2020, 19:09:53
Post by: SASIN on Thu, 23 April 2020, 21:37:53
Thank you
Post by: alwaysbless on Mon, 08 June 2020, 22:43:31
Post by: biip on Tue, 09 June 2020, 04:53:41
When will there be actual samples of the real caps?
Communication with GMK has been difficult since the beginning of the pandemic.
I wanted to start working on the color samples before the GB but it wasn't possible.
I'm still pushing to get the first batch as soon as possible.
Post by: Leeex on Tue, 09 June 2020, 09:00:23
Post by: biip on Wed, 10 June 2020, 09:33:32
I hope they turn out good
It will :thumb:
Post by: MobiMan on Wed, 10 June 2020, 20:34:57
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 10 June 2020, 22:27:10
sign me up please. sorry for late, I'v just started to use MK.Oh man you’ll have to wait for extras amigo. That’ll be a while. The GB finished.
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