Kit | MOQ | USA | Canada | Europe | UK | China | SEA | Oceania |
Base Kit | 500 | $109 | $109 | €109 | £82.50 | ¥788 | ₱6,500 | $175 |
Dark Alphas | 150 | $59 | $59 | €59 | £45.83 | ¥411 | ₱3,300 | $90 |
Symbol Row | 250 | $39 | $39 | €39 | £29.17 | ¥275 | ₱1,850 | $50 |
Novelties | 250 | $49 | $49 | €49 | £37.50 | ¥343 | ₱2,750 | $75 |
Numpad | 100 | $49 | $49 | €49 | £37.50 | ¥343 | ₱2,900 | $80 |
Extension | 100 | $49 | $49 | €49 | £37.50 | ¥343 | ₱2,400 | $65 |
Spacebars | 250 | $25 | $25 | €25 | £20.83 | ¥170 | ₱1,300 | $35 |
NorDeUK | 100 | $59 | $59 | €59 | £41.67 | ¥411 | ₱3,100 | - |
Colevrak | 100 | $59 | $59 | €59 | £41.67 | ¥411 | ₱3,100 | $85 |
Deskmats | - | $19 | $19 | €23 | £15.83 | ¥129 | ₱1,200 | $30 |
Asero Artisans | 100 | $59 | $59 | €59 | £42.50 | ¥425 | ₱3,500 | $95 |
Electric Flux Capacitor | - | $88 | US only | US only | US only | US only | US only | US only |
Coiled Cable | - | $59 | $59 | €59 | TBD | ¥425 | ₱3,000 | $80 |
Electric Linear Switch (per 10) | - | $4.9 | $4.9 | €5.5 | £3.33 | TBD | ₱250.00 | - |
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Great work! I'm glad you're back to designing key sets, Valla, this looks lovely as do all of your previous ones.
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?
Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?
Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.
I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?
Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.
I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.
Yes, that was the intention, but I still think it would be better to just have 1 of each novelty for those who don't want to use them.
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.Meh. I love black legends, they make the set a bit different (in the best way).
Interested in GMK Hana.
Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.
Interested in GMK Hana.
Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Cool set but jchan94 already teased a set named GMK Electric
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85606.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85606.0)
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?
Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.
I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.
Yes, that was the intention, but I still think it would be better to just have 1 of each novelty for those who don't want to use them.
Why not just replace one of the two R4 End's?
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.Meh. I love black legends, they make the set a bit different (in the best way).
Interested in GMK Hana.
Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Also: people are really crazy about colorway and copying, and this is far enough off that I don't see a big issue. We all have to calm down about colorway, there are only so many ways to put together the same colors.
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.
Interested in GMK Hana.
Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Yeah, it is kind of disappointing that this colorway isn't as unique anymore with Lightcycle and Sky Dolch around. I'm up to suggestions for new color changes though!
I think this looks way better than Sky Dolch, that set never really appealed to me personally and the black legends add to the contrast here which makes it look quite unique despite the modifiers - I'd like to see the original colours be kept but I understand if you want to veer from the SD/Lightcycle similarities.Is that a framed set of Hana? What are the caps mounted on?
PS: can confirm GMK Hana would be more than welcome.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eIsavej.jpg)
I think this looks way better than Sky Dolch, that set never really appealed to me personally and the black legends add to the contrast here which makes it look quite unique despite the modifiers - I'd like to see the original colours be kept but I understand if you want to veer from the SD/Lightcycle similarities.
PS: can confirm GMK Hana would be more than welcome.
Is that a framed set of Hana? What are the caps mounted on?
Totally agree about the contrast.
I like your framed Hana, lol. Looks good.
No 1.5u R3 Backspace?
No 1.5u R3 Backspace?
What uses that key?
Great taste in selecting the colors for the set and sensible choices for layouts covered.
My budget is basically empty for the year; but, I would make an exception if this reaches MoQ for sure.
This set is going to be awesome! :D
I like this. will buy it. good work
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8wiYDHb.jpg)
Hope this doesn't mean SA is a dead dream! I can see why you wouldn't want to run it with the current queue, so hopefully should things change and it be shorter :)
Just an optimization suggestion, most key sets don't include the mod colored |\ key anymore. I can only speak for myself but the way I see it people who go for symmetry only use the mod colored `~ key and those who go for key function accuracy use the alpha color for both |\ and `~.
The key I think is not needed is circled below:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/klFU7GT.jpg)
Just something to think about.
I was originally lurking on discussions around the SA set, but seeing this/thinking about it more, I really like the idea of this running as a GMK set :thumb: I agree with other comments that color-wise this is quite Sky Dolch-esque (at least for the mods), but the grey/black alphas and novelties do make it a very distinct set IMO.
Question: Is UN6037 the same as TU2?
This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?
Haha. I meant the same color as alphanumerics. Like a dark legend version of Dolch, but with accent keys. Not a big fan of mixing different legend colors. Makes it hard to read.This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?
Like Sky Dolch lol?
Haha. I meant the same color as alphanumerics. Like a dark legend version of Dolch, but with accent keys. Not a big fan of mixing different legend colors. Makes it hard to read.This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?
Like Sky Dolch lol?
Wouldn't that make the modifiers blanks?Doesn't look like it:
Current color scheme is:
UN6037 (Electric blue)
CR (Black legends)
2B (Light gray alphas)
N9 (Dark gray modifiers)
WS1 (White legends)
Wouldn't that make the modifiers blanks?Doesn't look like it:Current color scheme is:
UN6037 (Electric blue)
CR (Black legends)
2B (Light gray alphas)
N9 (Dark gray modifiers)
WS1 (White legends)
Would be awesome to see what it would look like:
Alphas: 2B
Modifiers: N9
Legends: CR (including cyan keys)
Really hope this set doesn't end up with icon modifiers.
Also think it would be better if the side print on pause and print screen wasn't cyan (UN6037) like the top print. Maybe CR and 2B, similar to how Classic Beige has different shades. Would spice things up.
It would look like this with almost no contrast:You may be right about the low contrast, but I was curious to see what it would look like in renders. I think the cyan/white combination has the same issue you mention. Keys with that combination become unreadable in this set if they also have a small font, like Enter. The side print on pause and print screen definitely shouldn't be cyan. It defeats the purpose to have the same color if you want to use cyan legends on modifiers to make this set pop with color contrast. By placing two equally visually heavy texts right next to each other, they both dissapear. Having them black or light gray would highlight the legend text.Show Image(https://imgur.com/zO5ED3C.jpg)
If someone wants to run a GMK stealth set, then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't have any interest at all in a low contrast modifiers with teal accents. The modifiers would be invisible while the alphas wouldn't. Just doesn't seem very electric to me and doesn't work with my aesthetics. I'd much prefer low contrast alphas and high contrast mods.
Either way what you are suggesting isn't a minor change, it's a fundamentally different set.
It would look like this with almost no contrast:You may be right about the low contrast, but I was curious to see what it would look like in renders. I think the cyan/white combination has the same issue you mention. Keys with that combination become unreadable in this set if they also have a small font, like Enter. The side print on pause and print screen definitely shouldn't be cyan. It defeats the purpose to have the same color if you want to use cyan legends on modifiers to make this set pop with color contrast. By placing two equally visually heavy texts right next to each other, they both dissapear. Having them black or light gray would highlight the legend text.Show Image(https://imgur.com/zO5ED3C.jpg)
If someone wants to run a GMK stealth set, then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't have any interest at all in a low contrast modifiers with teal accents. The modifiers would be invisible while the alphas wouldn't. Just doesn't seem very electric to me and doesn't work with my aesthetics. I'd much prefer low contrast alphas and high contrast mods.
Either way what you are suggesting isn't a minor change, it's a fundamentally different set.
For those who are curious, yes I am working on GMK Hana as well! I'm not sure which will come first when/if they go to production.
Said it on Reddit but will say it here too. Icon mods seem right for electric. Really hits home with a schematic or board layout. Hope to see an icon mod set, just like Yuri (controls alts and the whole lot of them), if text Mods are final for base kit.
I'm definitely interested in this set, but even more so for GMK Hana, as I joined the MK community after the DSA Hana drop and I've been looking for it since. Would prefer SA/DSA profile but I'll take whatever I can get at this point. Any consideration for running it with MaxKey?
Kits are looking good. Is the idea that the Ergodox kit would include all the keys shown, including the alphas?
Please consider adding a 00 key for the number-pad alternate layout that includes it instead of a 2u 0 key.
Any chance we can get alternate arrow keys in the cyan color as well? Would be a nice visual break on some keyboards.
Kits are looking good. Is the idea that the Ergodox kit would include all the keys shown, including the alphas?
Yes, I want to make it standalone as it would already be quite expensive.
1.5u R3 Fn keycap to swap for CapsLockYou mean 1.75u right?
1.5u R3 Fn keycap to swap for CapsLockYou mean 1.75u right?
Interesred! (First post! Been lurking for a year or so)
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Fortunately I already have a few sets thanks to MD!Interesred! (First post! Been lurking for a year or so)
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Welcome to GH and this set would be a great first buy.
Would be really great if you could add a 2u Shift key into the base kit aswell to cover XD64 and DZ60 layouts :)x2
Any chance of not running this GB on massdrop? Really interested but I'm not going to participate in massdrop GBs anymoreSame here. If this goes on Zfrontier I'm interested.
Any chance of not running this GB on massdrop? Really interested but I'm not going to participate in massdrop GBs anymoreNow if only MD was based was based in the EU I would not have to pay a gazillion euros in import duties for something made in the EU.
Sorry, its been several months since this project has had any steam. I'm currently trying to get it onto a platform and hope I can soon, so expect some final revisions coming through (where I'll need everybody's advice on what to change as well).The nordic kit is missing a few keys for proper support of any european layout. You would not start removing keys from the dworak/colemak kit as a cost saving measure, so why would you do it for the nordic kit?
As for GMK Hana, it seems like JTK is more likely at this point which imo is a good thing as their sets are high quality and relatively cheap compared to other manufacturers.
Stay tuned!
Sorry, its been several months since this project has had any steam. I'm currently trying to get it onto a platform and hope I can soon, so expect some final revisions coming through (where I'll need everybody's advice on what to change as well).
As for GMK Hana, it seems like JTK is more likely at this point which imo is a good thing as their sets are high quality and relatively cheap compared to other manufacturers.
Stay tuned!
Sorry, its been several months since this project has had any steam. I'm currently trying to get it onto a platform and hope I can soon, so expect some final revisions coming through (where I'll need everybody's advice on what to change as well).The nordic kit is missing a few keys for proper support of any european layout. You would not start removing keys from the dworak/colemak kit as a cost saving measure, so why would you do it for the nordic kit?
As for GMK Hana, it seems like JTK is more likely at this point which imo is a good thing as their sets are high quality and relatively cheap compared to other manufacturers.
Stay tuned!
Could you give more specifics on which keys are missing? I'm not intentionally omitting them, its just hard to get every key right in any group buy. Thats why it changes with almost every GB.
Could you give more specifics on which keys are missing? I'm not intentionally omitting them, its just hard to get every key right in any group buy. Thats why it changes with almost every GB.
Well, if you wanted to have a full Nordic set, you'd have to throw in the first half of the number row:Show Image(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Tgr0cEgQMeJjy0Fjq6yExFXaV.jpg?size=331818&height=800&width=800&hash=46f6ce3e483f7ad6709cc774c13ad80a)
SA Oblivion is an example of a set with full Nordic support, but it does mean a lot of keys:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1CcQSer.jpg)
Could you give more specifics on which keys are missing? I'm not intentionally omitting them, its just hard to get every key right in any group buy. Thats why it changes with almost every GB.The 9009 kit would be great. For 9009 there was a poll about it and about 80% of people preferred the complete kit versus the nautilus abomination.
Will this be run through Massdrop?
What does it mean by the title "revival Jan 18"? The GB will start at Jan 18?
What does it mean by the title "revival Jan 18"? The GB will start at Jan 18?
Have the price tiers been published yet?
1.5u pls for hhkb layout lovers ^^
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I was kinda responding to wixxzblu, with regards to the novelties. He said 1,25u R4 novelties, i’d like 1,5u R4 novelties :)1.5u pls for hhkb layout lovers ^^
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?? This set has 1.5u Ctrl Alt and Code keys? What are you talking about?
Just updated OP with new child deals. Would like feedback!
I would also appreciate if you voted for what kits you would get if it were to hit Massdrop soon:
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check)
Just updated OP with new child deals. Would like feedback!
I would also appreciate if you voted for what kits you would get if it were to hit Massdrop soon:
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check)
Just updated OP with new child deals. Would like feedback!
I would also appreciate if you voted for what kits you would get if it were to hit Massdrop soon:
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check)
Maybe a kit with F1-F4 + F9-F12 in modifier colours?
Also, I can't speak for everyone but I'd prefer to see a GB without MassDrop if it's possible, they are just not that great for anyone outside of the US and have recently been handling / fulfilling orders suboptimally.
Just updated OP with new child deals. Would like feedback!
I would also appreciate if you voted for what kits you would get if it were to hit Massdrop soon:
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Electric-Interest-Check)
Maybe a kit with F1-F4 + F9-F12 in modifier colours?
Also, I can't speak for everyone but I'd prefer to see a GB without MassDrop if it's possible, they are just not that great for anyone outside of the US and have recently been handling / fulfilling orders suboptimally.
I'm in the EU myself, the problem is without massdrop will we reach that 250 moq?
Hmm it seems to have changed, I’m not seeing 1.5u “code” keys :-(1.5u pls for hhkb layout lovers ^^
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?? This set has 1.5u Ctrl Alt and Code keys? What are you talking about?
I'm looking forward to this set and wanted to see how the alpha coloring would look, so I threw it into kbrenders.com for a quick render. I didn't use any custom legends and the coloring may not be completely accurate - I just used the GMK colors on keyboard-layout-editor - but hopefully this might give people a better idea of what the set would really look like.
(Attachment Link)
Just want to say thank you for doing a set like this. I bought the JTK Photo Studio and some Japanese alphas to make something similar. I wanted to make a board themed around Hatsune Miku. Hope all goes well with your IC.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XAlpJi8.jpg)
your kit is very cool
your kit is only for cherry ? do you think do a model for topre (hhkb for example )
thk a lot
diwoka
Hmm it seems to have changed, I’m not seeing 1.5u “code” keys :-(1.5u pls for hhkb layout lovers ^^
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?? This set has 1.5u Ctrl Alt and Code keys? What are you talking about?
Please add them again or 1.5u novelties! Set won’t fit on my HHKB layout boards without them.
Just love the design of the electric symbols!!Agree, the novelties are terrific.
looking for my first set, anything similar to this colorway I'm in.
I like this concept. Is there any future for this?
I would love to see the electronic symbols rounded out with a couple more logic gates, a resistor, and the transistor Esc moved into that kit. And more symbol mods!
An expanded version of the kit would do well in it's own GB if it were run in 4-6 popular colorways. Just a thought.
Just curious... if Vala no longer wants to run this, can someone else?
Just curious... if Vala no longer wants to run this, can someone else?
This is the most important question.
It's not a good time to run to GMK group buy, especially since there is a lot of "subtle neon and cyan" stuff in both IC and GB (modern Dolch, waves, calm depths, hammerhead).
Personally I think this would look good in another profile, but people love their GMK.
Definitely. Perhaps it'd be better if this was SA or maybe even KAM, MT3, or the new profile Novelkeys is coming up with?
Definitely. Perhaps it'd be better if this was SA or maybe even KAM, MT3, or the new profile Novelkeys is coming up with?
Totally agree with that. If this where SA or MT3 I would instantly join this. But with GMK I'm still not sure if I really want to... :blank:
Definitely. Perhaps it'd be better if this was SA or maybe even KAM, MT3, or the new profile Novelkeys is coming up with?
Totally agree with that. If this where SA or MT3 I would instantly join this. But with GMK I'm still not sure if I really want to... :blank:
The original design was SA which I've been following since 2015. I agree it would look much better and help it stand out against all the other subtle neon and cyan sets.
Well if he is gone and never coming back.... can someone just take what is here and roll with it. The interest is out thereUnless OP is around to give consent, most GB runners wouldn't dare taking someone else's design and just "roll with it". That's just rude.
Well if he is gone and never coming back.... can someone just take what is here and roll with it. The interest is out thereUnless OP is around to give consent, most GB runners wouldn't dare taking someone else's design and just "roll with it". That's just rude.
And if they do dare, well better brace for impact when OP returns someday to accuse them of "stealing my hard work for profit".
>snowflakesWell if he is gone and never coming back.... can someone just take what is here and roll with it. The interest is out thereUnless OP is around to give consent, most GB runners wouldn't dare taking someone else's design and just "roll with it". That's just rude.
And if they do dare, well better brace for impact when OP returns someday to accuse them of "stealing my hard work for profit".
That was sarcasm. I’m sorry you missed it and think I’m some kind of theif. Don’t worry you can step down from your throne though no one is stealing anything. Lol geez I forget anything written in words will be taken literal by at least one of you snowflakes.
Well, it's been almost 2 years since I last worked on the set... I feel really bad about my inactivity, and now that I'm graduating college (finally) I want to get back into designing key caps.
I'm going to start with finishing up GMK Electric and getting it to production, as I feel this set deserves to be made.
I'm currently looking into what people have been doing for the past couple of years so I can modify my child deals to fit with what is most popular. It seems where I left off back in February of 2018 was pretty solid, and I imagine only a few modifications will need to be made to get to a final design.
Assuming designs are finalized over the next couple months, I imagine the set will enter production late this year. And the plan is still to go with Drop, with perhaps some other distributors as well for those outside the US.
Please, if you have suggestions for the kit, any key cap you want to see included, please let me know in this thread! (and please include your reasoning :D)
Please, if you have suggestions for the kit, any key cap you want to see included, please let me know in this thread! (and please include your reasoning :D)The Nordic Kit is missing the Z for R2. The Y for R4 is included for some reason. That would make the Nordic Kit also fully compatible to ISO-DE, the standard german QWERTZ-Layout.
(Oh and a EU distributor would be great.. having to pay high shipping plus +19% tax ain't no joke..)
(Oh and a EU distributor would be great.. having to pay high shipping plus +19% tax ain't no joke..)
you realize the EU proxy will add that 19% on regardless right
(Oh and a EU distributor would be great.. having to pay high shipping plus +19% tax ain't no joke..)
you realize the EU proxy will add that 19% on regardless right
21% actually
you realize the EU proxy will add that 19% on regardless rightOf course, the thing is that (at least in Germany) you pay the "Mehrwertsteuer" of 19% on products. But when you import something it's suddenly called "Einfuhrumsatzsteuer" and the sum of everything in that order gets taxed, including the shipping costs.
depends on the proxy
I’ll iust use some white alphas I already have. Like my homophobics from GMK oblivi r2. And call it good. Thanks.
I’ll iust use some white alphas I already have. Like my homophobics from GMK oblivi r2. And call it good. Thanks.
your what
I’ll iust use some white alphas I already have. Like my homophobics from GMK oblivi r2. And call it good. Thanks.
your what
Updated the OP with all of the new kits, please give me your feedback through the Google form! I also have some exciting stuff in the pipeline with CandyKeys... so look out for that :)
Any chance for some sexy renders ?
MoreWell, it's been almost 2 years since I last worked on the set... I feel really bad about my inactivity, and now that I'm graduating college (finally) I want to get back into designing key caps.
I'm going to start with finishing up GMK Electric and getting it to production, as I feel this set deserves to be made.
I'm currently looking into what people have been doing for the past couple of years so I can modify my child deals to fit with what is most popular. It seems where I left off back in February of 2018 was pretty solid, and I imagine only a few modifications will need to be made to get to a final design.
Assuming designs are finalized over the next couple months, I imagine the set will enter production late this year. And the plan is still to go with Drop, with perhaps some other distributors as well for those outside the US.
Please, if you have suggestions for the kit, any key cap you want to see included, please let me know in this thread! (and please include your reasoning :D)
Can you please modify the Colevrak kit to align with the newer Colevrak+ offering? I believe that the kit from the GMK WoB IC is considered best practice.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0;topicseen
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0;topicseen)
Looks tight.
I think if you add the UN6037 colored standard spacebars to the base kit (like you did for esc and arrows) for consistency, it would be perfect!
Love the novelties!
Updated the kits with some of the suggestions from this thread & the form (thank you to everyone who filled it out, it was super helpful!)
Change list:
- Moved 6.25u blue spacebar to base kit
- Added base color 6u spacebars to spacebar kit
- Upgraded Colevrak to Colevrak+
- Added 1.25u and 1.5u "Alt Gr" keys to Norde
- Added R4 1.5u and 1u novelties to novelties kit
Looks tight.
I think if you add the UN6037 colored standard spacebars to the base kit (like you did for esc and arrows) for consistency, it would be perfect!
Love the novelties!
Great! Thanks for including this one into the update.
When is the GB planned for again? =)
Sounds awesome! Any word on vendors for this set?
Since you are still taking suggestions... =)
How about adding an Electric blue Modifier kit?
I find the UN6037 pretty unique an popping! That could be cool.
Hey, could you add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%/75% users and change the R4 \| ISO key to <> so that there isn't a duplicate legend (ISO people really seem to dislike this)?
I also think you should change the Scroll Lock legend to Scroll, Num Lock legend to Num, and stepped Caps Lock legend to Caps, for consistency.
New update in OP! Let me know what you think of the desk mat design :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/24ajun8.png)
New update in OP! Let me know what you think of the desk mat design :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/24ajun8.png)
Hey, could you add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%/75% users and change the R4 \| ISO key to <> so that there isn't a duplicate legend (ISO people really seem to dislike this)?
I also think you should change the Scroll Lock legend to Scroll, Num Lock legend to Num, and stepped Caps Lock legend to Caps, for consistency.
Thanks for the suggestions! I will add the R3 pgup and pgdn, and update the double-lined legends as well. However, I'm not sure what you mean about the ISO key update. All GMK kits I see use the duplicate \| key.
Thanks for the suggestions! I will add the R3 pgup and pgdn, and update the double-lined legends as well. However, I'm not sure what you mean about the ISO key update. All GMK kits I see use the duplicate \| key.
New update in OP! Let me know what you think of the desk mat design :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/24ajun8.png)
My electrical engineering bits are tingling. :p
Design is hot!
For the colors of the set being not so loud, I think the deskmat could be a lot more subtle, and I find it way too busy (even as an EE).
I can't believe somebody made a set with 1.5u shift! Awesome!
And a really pretty one, too.
May I ask why you have 2 1.5u and 2 1.25u alt-gr each? Haven't seen more than one per keeb so far.
Good use of space on the ISO keys.
Dumb question. GMK Ursa had an ISO kit that...handily made MOQ 100! on the back of Paddington on the ISO enter, as Paddington was both unique to that child kit and also was a good icon for the ISO enter crowd. Is there any electrical symbol/theme that’s limited to or more prevalent in the EU?
Good use of space on the ISO keys.
Dumb question. GMK Ursa had an ISO kit that...handily made MOQ 100! on the back of Paddington on the ISO enter, as Paddington was both unique to that child kit and also was a good icon for the ISO enter crowd. Is there any electrical symbol/theme that’s limited to or more prevalent in the EU?
Good point, if somebody has some idea that would make it more unique to Europe in some way that would be great!
Good use of space on the ISO keys.
Dumb question. GMK Ursa had an ISO kit that...handily made MOQ 100! on the back of Paddington on the ISO enter, as Paddington was both unique to that child kit and also was a good icon for the ISO enter crowd. Is there any electrical symbol/theme that’s limited to or more prevalent in the EU?
Good point, if somebody has some idea that would make it more unique to Europe in some way that would be great!
As you may be aware, there are some differences between the North American (NEMA) and European (IEC) symbol conventions for passive components.Show Image(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-13333b96cfd2432073294523d22c8a56-c)
However, in practice the difference isn't that great, the two conventions are often mixed in schematics (especially for resistors), and many European engineers prefer to use the NA symbols (and vice-versa in some cases). A more detailed comparison chart is available here (https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/electrical-circuit-protection/medium-voltage-vacuum-circuit-breakers/comparison-nema-iec-schematic-diagrams-mz081001en.pdf).
However, I don't think any of these symbols are as cool as Ursa's Paddington Bear novelty, so how about using a more memorable symbol, like, say, a three-phase transformer? As a Nikola Tesla fan, this would be very cool to see.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VKHDlIz.png)
Or how about a full bridge rectifier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dtPEk73X9U)? I'm sure there are some ElectroBOOM fans out here.Show Image(https://www.electronics-notes.com/images/diode-bridge-rectifier-01.svg)
Another personal favorite of mine is the Wheatstone bridge.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WMxfZx9.png)
Konstantin that’s amazing
I bought the Is0 1 key board for ISO keycaps to use my Rolling Bones Iso enter, but the full bridge rectifier or another space filling design might take precedence.
Euro folks should pick tho.
Also, may I ask what you use the 1.5u shift for?
Konstantin that’s amazing
I bought the Is0 1 key board for ISO keycaps to use my Rolling Bones Iso enter, but the full bridge rectifier or another space filling design might take precedence.
Euro folks should pick tho.
Yeah, I'm kinda leaning towards the full bridge rectifier myself. ElectroBOOM has made a lasting impact on how I look at electronics, lol.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qUqRGh.png)
So I tried to make a full bridge rectifier novelty using the entire space of the ISO enter, is this considered blasphemy or does it work?
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qUqRGh.png)
So I tried to make a full bridge rectifier novelty using the entire space of the ISO enter, is this considered blasphemy or does it work?
Nice! It does technically (and electrically) work, but it's not as instantly recognizable as the square net variant :D Maybe just try putting one like this in the center of the cap?Show Image(https://www.electronics-notes.com/images/diode-bridge-rectifier-01.svg)
That's what I tried originally, but it forced me to make the lines super thin, making it look out of place with the other novelties. I'll try to come up with something and post it back here once I'm happy with it.
as an electrical engineer... I'm in love <3
in for one whenever its up and running!
Is this keycap set a possibility for a GB, I want to freaking hop on this. My academic career using Multisim for circuit design would make me love having this! Beautiful set!
as an electrical engineer... I'm in love <3
in for one whenever its up and running!
Awesome to hear, thanks for the support :)Is this keycap set a possibility for a GB, I want to freaking hop on this. My academic career using Multisim for circuit design would make me love having this! Beautiful set!
Yes, the set should be going to GB soon (TM). Might be a few more months with the corona delays on stuff.
And finally, a new ISO novelty enter, this time of a three phase transformer (thanks konstantin for the suggestion). It is a rough sketch, definitely not finished, but let me know what you think of the idea. It's so hard to make an appealing ISO novelty enter that uses the entire cap!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gGXC3M5.png)
as an electrical engineer... I'm in love <3
in for one whenever its up and running!
Awesome to hear, thanks for the support :)Is this keycap set a possibility for a GB, I want to freaking hop on this. My academic career using Multisim for circuit design would make me love having this! Beautiful set!
Yes, the set should be going to GB soon (TM). Might be a few more months with the corona delays on stuff.
And finally, a new ISO novelty enter, this time of a three phase transformer (thanks konstantin for the suggestion). It is a rough sketch, definitely not finished, but let me know what you think of the idea. It's so hard to make an appealing ISO novelty enter that uses the entire cap!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gGXC3M5.png)
And finally, a new ISO novelty enter, this time of a three phase transformer (thanks konstantin for the suggestion). It is a rough sketch, definitely not finished, but let me know what you think of the idea. It's so hard to make an appealing ISO novelty enter that uses the entire cap!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gGXC3M5.png)
Hey also is a RAMA key up for consideration? Maybe an enter key with something like V=IR on it?
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These kits look really chonky. It's gonna get pricey.
Will there be simpler/less busy deskmats?
I think this set is pretty awesome. However,, there is something that keeps coming into my mind. It feels like it lacks “electricity” on the alphas.
Would have loved to feel the electricity all across the board.
Have you thought about trying the electric blue through the letters to see how it would come out?
Just another point of view =)
Hey also is a RAMA key up for consideration? Maybe an enter key with something like V=IR on it?
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Yes, I had a few ideas for RAMA. Namely, a metal enter key with the resistor symbol enameled, and a metal R1 1U novelty with the electric symbol (lightning bolt). I have yet to contact them at this point however.These kits look really chonky. It's gonna get pricey.
Will there be simpler/less busy deskmats?
I've noticed this problem as well, I'm going to cull some keys and perhaps split up some kits to keep price down.
And I'm not sure if there were be any other deskmat options, the reception to this design has been very positive so far based on the Google poll. If anybody has some suggestions for a simpler design I'm all ears :)I think this set is pretty awesome. However,, there is something that keeps coming into my mind. It feels like it lacks “electricity” on the alphas.
Would have loved to feel the electricity all across the board.
Have you thought about trying the electric blue through the letters to see how it would come out?
Just another point of view =)
I think I saw this suggestion in the poll and tried it out, it didn't come out very well IMO. Completely changed the feeling of the set.
I think this set is pretty awesome. However,, there is something that keeps coming into my mind. It feels like it lacks “electricity” on the alphas.
Would have loved to feel the electricity all across the board.
Have you thought about trying the electric blue through the letters to see how it would come out?
Just another point of view =)
I think I saw this suggestion in the poll and tried it out, it didn't come out very well IMO. Completely changed the feeling of the set.
I wasn’t in love with this set and I believe this set is why I made an account to comment. When the designer was inactive I thought heavily about making my own set that was themed around electrical engineering (my profession) but just never had time and always hoped this would come back. I also watched GMK high voltage come and go and basically knew it was doomed from the start first from color and second from the price set by either designer or kono.store or some combination of both being dumb enough to think it’d work.
With that said. I am begging if you can in one of the kits provide 2 R1 1.5U caps. I used boardwalk and although legends will suck at least with 1.5u caps for R1 I can have keys to cover my boardwalk. Else this is just my dream keycap set that serves no purpose for me to waste money on. I’m only one person. I doubt it’ll happen but would be appreciated and I’d pay extra.
I made a new deskmat design that I am super happy with!Looks great! Looking forward to the GB :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sK4KfG6.png)
I didn't have to remove any of the circuitry, but adding the different shades of color really made the mat feel less busy/cluttered. I hope everyone likes it :) (and feedback is appreciated!)
God damn, the set has been revived! I was just stopping by to see if it had been officially declared dead before I deleted the bookmark :eek:
I. Am. IN!
This was supposed to say I was in love with this set. Not wasn’t. so I assume the no response means there will never be any R1 1.5us.... I would think novelties would be a good place for them or I dunno. Wish I could make this work on my boardwalk but sucks it’s coming back and I have to pass. So sick of GMK
Looks great! Looking forward to the GB :)
Looks much better with the changed shading; nice!
Deskmat looks great, is there an ETA on GB?
Deskmat looks great, is there an ETA on GB?
wondering the same. though still no vendor named outside eu probably means its’s not imminent.
God damn, the set has been revived! I was just stopping by to see if it had been officially declared dead before I deleted the bookmark :eek:
I. Am. IN!
Awesome, I'm trying my best to make sure it is worth the multi-year wait :DThis was supposed to say I was in love with this set. Not wasn’t. so I assume the no response means there will never be any R1 1.5us.... I would think novelties would be a good place for them or I dunno. Wish I could make this work on my boardwalk but sucks it’s coming back and I have to pass. So sick of GMK
I'm sorry I didn't respond to your suggestion, I'm not sure if it is worth including R1 1.5u caps within any kit. It is quite niche, and adding two caps of that size is nothing to sneeze at, especially with potentially hundreds of kits being produced.Looks great! Looking forward to the GB :)Looks much better with the changed shading; nice!
Thank you! I'm glad you like it
I had totally forgotten when I wrote that, that the mods are n9. I think from my memory there has been talk about changing some colors.... is n9 forsure staying? Just curious cause if so then I’m not selling my n9 ergo kits and saving them for this and will purchase a few sets
The set is great; but the only key that could make this set impossible to pass for me is an R3 `~ key to cover a modern ANSI XT layout with an ISO Enter. I know it is a very special key, but being just one it could be fitted with very low impact on the cost for the set. I know there are some users that may take advantage of such layout.
With the resurgence of so many dolch themed sets, I am kind of tempted to take GMK Electric in a totally new direction. What do people who are interested in the set think? I would retain the same novelties but go for a different color scheme.
With the resurgence of so many dolch themed sets, I am kind of tempted to take GMK Electric in a totally new direction. What do people who are interested in the set think? I would retain the same novelties but go for a different color scheme.
With the resurgence of so many dolch themed sets, I am kind of tempted to take GMK Electric in a totally new direction. What do people who are interested in the set think? I would retain the same novelties but go for a different color scheme.
That would be Electric v2 in case you're wondering :thumb: . Actually I have a new idea for that 2nd project, you could do a lightning theme? Then the 2nd version of that would be Lightning - The 2nd Strike :D
Alright, I think those who have responded so far are right. I'll keep the set how it is, and perhaps run a redesign in the future.
With the resurgence of so many dolch themed sets, I am kind of tempted to take GMK Electric in a totally new direction. What do people who are interested in the set think? I would retain the same novelties but go for a different color scheme.
That would be Electric v2 in case you're wondering :thumb: . Actually I have a new idea for that 2nd project, you could do a lightning theme? Then the 2nd version of that would be Lightning - The 2nd Strike :D
You rang?
How coincidental that as I'm about to post an update, people want updates!Oh my gosh!
To lead, I am extremely sorry to all those waiting for GMK Electric for all of the delays. I had promised this set would run in 2020 and that is no longer possible.
If you don't know, I'm trying to start my own mechanical keyboard vendor for the US, and it has been consuming most of my time lately.
Luckily, it has reached a point where I'm confident GMK Electric will be running on my own store :D
As for updates: the desk mat has been finalized, and a sample is currently in the mail. Here are a couple pictures:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hE2BlvX.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5Wp4lXf.jpg)
I'm in the process of updating my renders and applying a few last minute tweaks to the kits. Then, off to GMK it goes for pricing. Expect more updates in the coming weeks.
This set isn't dead! And if you've decided to hop onto one of the many similar looking sets that have ran recently, I don't blame you...
Oh my gosh!
Yes! I’m so happy this is still in the works. I was worried it was gone. Thanks for the update, can’t wait to see what you have in store for us.
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The deskmat is looking CLEAN :thumb: . Glad to see this project still coming.
I am still excited for this! Haven't decided what its going on yet though :D
That deskmat looks SICK!!
Really interested. I like these colors.
If the alice split bars are only in the extension kit (not my fav thing but ok) shouldn’t the b keys be in there instead of the spacebars kit?
Or put a 2.25u/2.75u in both extension and spacebar kit?
If the alice split bars are only in the extension kit (not my fav thing but ok) shouldn’t the b keys be in there instead of the spacebars kit?
Or put a 2.25u/2.75u in both extension and spacebar kit?
Some 40s use split bars, some don’t. Often the split bars in a 40s kit are the alpha color vs those in the spacebar kit are the accent color. I’ll defer to actual 40s users; only know 40s kit preferences because I buy split bars for any set I get.
looks very nice.. the deskmat especially :thumb:
Looking forward to this. Good luck with the new store sir.
I like my numpad in the base kit, I don't like TKL only kitting :/
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
- Base kit is now numpadless and ISO-less
- ISO has been moved to the ISO kit
- Norde kit has been updated ...
- Alt Gr and ISO enter keys are now a part of the ISO kit
R1 "» «"-key is used in Portuguese keyboard layout.
I don't like the new kitting. If you want to break everything up into this many kits, then you're better off using a different manufacturer that doesn't charge so much extra to split things up. This sort of kitting would be a better fit for a Keyreative set.
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
R1 "» «"-key is used in Portuguese keyboard layout.
Oh my GOD this is actually making progress? I just logged in for the first time in a few years!
I am so, so in for the novelties omfg
EDIT: novelties and symbol row now
Probably to late for this but I'd love to see the deskmats in some different colors, monochrome, etc. I'll probably be in for that deskmat either way.
Probably to late for this but I'd love to see the deskmats in some different colors, monochrome, etc. I'll probably be in for that deskmat either way.
There will be different colors! I am simply trying to get the original design perfect before making the others so I have less adjustments to make :)
I just noticed there's a Colevrak kit - I'm back in babyyyyyyyyy <3 <3 <3 <3
Electrifying, I like these
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
» « is from Portuguese layout, please include it as well!
I'm /in for this, but I also agree on the "icon mods" like many people said. If you end up not changing it to icon mods, at least complete the ISO addon with the icon mods instead (4 more caps only) :thumb:
I personally think it's a bit presumptuous to go with the base with no numpad route. It's expected to be okay when the base kit is expected to sell north of 1000 kits, but I have a bit of skepticism for this case.
More importantly, if this set changes to icon only mods, I'm out.
Curious, is there a reason why the symbol keys and novelties are in two separate kits vs being combined into a single kit?
I personally think it's a bit presumptuous to go with the base with no numpad route. It's expected to be okay when the base kit is expected to sell north of 1000 kits, but I have a bit of skepticism for this case.
More importantly, if this set changes to icon only mods, I'm out.
I will not be changing the set to icon only mods. It is staying as text. Perhaps i'll consider icon mods for a future run.
I will not be changing the set to icon only mods. It is staying as text. Perhaps i'll consider icon mods for a future run.
Can you please include the icon mods on the ISO addon instead? (ISO layouts use icon mods and it's only 4 caps more into the addon - tab, capslock, shift, backspace)
I believe the 1.75u Backspace legend should have a Arrow on it as it fits, basically the same legend as a 2u.
Love this set! I keep up the great work all.... So many great set coming out right now hard to pick them all
I personally think it's a bit presumptuous to go with the base with no numpad route. It's expected to be okay when the base kit is expected to sell north of 1000 kits, but I have a bit of skepticism for this case.
More importantly, if this set changes to icon only mods, I'm out.
It’s not presumptuous to assume that you know so much that his keyset won’t sell over 1000 sets? You’re comment honestly sounds much more presumptuous than the notion of a separate numpad kit..... or that he should listen to your threat to not buy if icon mods lol. Just saying. (I assume most keysets with 7 pages of discussion and that’s maintained people’s interest for about three years lol would sell decent. Especially since big sets are now almost hitting 10,000+)
I will not be changing the set to icon only mods. It is staying as text. Perhaps i'll consider icon mods for a future run.
Can you please include the icon mods on the ISO addon instead? (ISO layouts use icon mods and it's only 4 caps more into the addon - tab, capslock, shift, backspace)
Sorry but no, that would also require icon only ISO enters which I don't have already. The entire set is staying text for the first run at least.
I will not be changing the set to icon only mods. It is staying as text. Perhaps i'll consider icon mods for a future run.
Can you please include the icon mods on the ISO addon instead? (ISO layouts use icon mods and it's only 4 caps more into the addon - tab, capslock, shift, backspace)
Sorry but no, that would also require icon only ISO enters which I don't have already. The entire set is staying text for the first run at least.
ISO Enter isn't included in the base kit (only in the ISO addon) so it only needs to be switched for icon version. But then, it's all call. I just think ISO users are the ones who beg more for icon mods and this isn't even impacting the base kit and overall ANSI users.
This is a very interesting set, and thank you for splitting the numpad out of the base kit. I wish all the designers would do it. The desk mat looks fantastic!!
I would like to see the blue backspace thrown into the base kit as there is already an extra blue backspace in the current renders. Buying whole kits just for 1 key isn't worth it.
I would like to see the blue backspace thrown into the base kit as there is already an extra blue backspace in the current renders. Buying whole kits just for 1 key isn't worth it.
I'm confused as to what you mean? Not sure why I would include a blue backspace in the base kit.
I would like to see the blue backspace thrown into the base kit as there is already an extra blue backspace in the current renders. Buying whole kits just for 1 key isn't worth it.
I'm confused as to what you mean? Not sure why I would include a blue backspace in the base kit.
There's nothing confusing about this. It's pretty stupid to give a symbol based kit an extra normal backspace and then claim it's confusing as to why it should be in the base kit. It's on par with GMK Muted R2 have 4 caps lock keys. You also include a blue enter and space bar in kit but somehow that isn't confusing?
I would like to see the blue backspace thrown into the base kit as there is already an extra blue backspace in the current renders. Buying whole kits just for 1 key isn't worth it.
I'm confused as to what you mean? Not sure why I would include a blue backspace in the base kit.
There's nothing confusing about this. It's pretty stupid to give a symbol based kit an extra normal backspace and then claim it's confusing as to why it should be in the base kit. It's on par with GMK Muted R2 have 4 caps lock keys. You also include a blue enter and space bar in kit but somehow that isn't confusing?
The only reason why there's a teal backspace in the symbols kit is because it makes the whole Numrow blue, there's no reason to be agro at OP for this reasoning. The only set that I can think of right now that had a accented backspace in the base was GMK Honeywell R1 & R2.
Love the colors. Perhaps make a second version of the deskmat but with a more "copper" color to represent traces more?
Forgive me for not having read the whole thread, but is this set actually happening? I see this IC is in its fourth year.
There is a mod colored 1,5 R2 Delete in base, but is that not supposed to be a Backspace key instead?
Forgive me for not having read the whole thread, but is this set actually happening? I see this IC is in its fourth year.
Yes! I apologize for the extremely lengthy IC, but it is finally happening. Kits are off to GMK for pricing.
This set looked like it was close to running about a month ago, then updates stopped again. Any word on when this will run?
This set looked like it was close to running about a month ago, then updates stopped again. Any word on when this will run?
I need this.
This set looked like it was close to running about a month ago, then updates stopped again. Any word on when this will run?
good decisions, I still miss the icon mods option but overall... I'm all /in for this :thumb:
I need this.
I need this.
Hey hey hold on
I saw it first, I need it more
I love that desk mat design, looks great!
This is very promising <3
Any chance for dark Alpha NorDe? I know I a m asking alot but this neon on dark color scheme seems to be missing NorDe support most of the time.
GB when?
Group buy date and final vendors announced!I think you should switch the gb annoucement since now it's from september to august.
Regional pricing will be updated as it becomes available.
Collabs are in progress. If you want to make a collab for GMK Electric, hit me up on Discord! (Vala#9001)
Also happy to show off the first 3D render of many by Izeri. His work is top notch and I can't wait to share the rest :D (its 4k btw, zoom in)
Group buy date and final vendors announced!I think you should switch the gb annoucement since now it's from september to august.
Regional pricing will be updated as it becomes available.
Collabs are in progress. If you want to make a collab for GMK Electric, hit me up on Discord! (Vala#9001)
Also happy to show off the first 3D render of many by Izeri. His work is top notch and I can't wait to share the rest :D (its 4k btw, zoom in)
Are you sure the argyle is by Alchemist Keyboards? According to its Interest Check thread, that is not the case https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106255.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106255.0)
Jae: logistics and fulfillment, James: housing design, Yiancar: PCB design
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
» « is from Portuguese layout, please include it as well!
I'm /in for this, but I also agree on the "icon mods" like many people said. If you end up not changing it to icon mods, at least complete the ISO addon with the icon mods instead (4 more caps only) :thumb:
I will add the Portuguese key, don't worry c:
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
- Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
- I ommitted the » « key as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
» « is from Portuguese layout, please include it as well!
I'm /in for this, but I also agree on the "icon mods" like many people said. If you end up not changing it to icon mods, at least complete the ISO addon with the icon mods instead (4 more caps only) :thumb:
I will add the Portuguese key, don't worry c:
Hi Vala!
I've noticed that the »« key is still missing on the first post. This is a mandatory Portuguese cap, which was present in all Nordeuk sets:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5aqO1Rf.png)
I hope it can be corrected with GMK in time for producing ;)
I have to say that the dark alphas look much better than the grey ones. It seems that whoever did the latest renders did too — I suggest that a version with the actual base kit is used for promotion otherwise it feels a little like a bait-and-switch.
uhm - your prices are fantastic! Way to go!
Any news on the 40 more renders? I'd be going all in if the base kit looks as good as the dark alphas. Glad to see a kitting options with two full backspaces which rarely happens.