I would love some screw-in ones, color isn't important.
My noob question, is it fits my Vortex Race 1? what's the different feel from my original Cherry stabs? Thanks.Yes, it'll fit in your Vortex Race 1 since it's PCB mount. Chances are your stabs aren't "clipped", so the stabilized keys feel mushy when bottoming out. The goal of these new stabs is to have them factory made flush so no clipping is required.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZuRONxHm.jpg)
I have a set of screw in stabs if you'd like to borrow them! They've already been clipped, but I'd be happy to send them to you, just shoot me a pm!
I'd be down for at least 6 sets. Preferably 4 with 6.25x spacebar, and 2 with 7x.
So yeah!
I know this is about Cherry stabs and I normally wouldn't mention this except for the part where you said you were getting custom stab wires bent, is there any chance 7u Costar stab wires could be produced at some point? They are ridiculously hard to come across, it took me 8+ months and too much money to get the one I'm using now.
Oh, I could also probably provide the stabs from a pok3r, if that would help as well!
Just wanted to say that I have had problems with screw-in stabs on GON and winkeyless.kr 60% boards. The screw creates a short on the LED pads. I've had to change all the stabs to standard ones. And to be honest the screw doesn't bring anything from my point of view. Normal ones are better.just use a plastic washer?
Just wanted to say that I have had problems with screw-in stabs on GON and winkeyless.kr 60% boards. The screw creates a short on the LED pads. I've had to change all the stabs to standard ones. And to be honest the screw doesn't bring anything from my point of view. Normal ones are better.just use a plastic washer?
The regular ones are perfect, the screw type are just fancy and nothing more. Tried a plastic washer it was just a pain. And forget about beeing more solid the screw ones, they're not, they get pulled as easy as the normal ones. The plastic is soft and after you remove the screw a couple of times you can forget about them, they get loose.
Has anyone thought of a way to reduce or eliminate stab ringing too? It's especially nasty with a heavier spring under a 7u spacebar.
Thick lube and bandaid mod below the stab :) If you cut carefully, it won't even show.Show Image(http://puu.sh/maIim/dc17c2b81a.jpg)
@zeal, these are off of a pok3r! Hope that helps. They are potato pics from my phone, so if you need something better, I have a dslr and a macro lens I can use. I just got lazy after about two hours of desoldering/replacing stabs and then resoldering
The regular ones are perfect, the screw type are just fancy and nothing more. Tried a plastic washer it was just a pain. And forget about beeing more solid the screw ones, they're not, they get pulled as easy as the normal ones. The plastic is soft and after you remove the screw a couple of times you can forget about them, they get loose.
That's how I feel about it.The regular ones are perfect, the screw type are just fancy and nothing more. Tried a plastic washer it was just a pain. And forget about beeing more solid the screw ones, they're not, they get pulled as easy as the normal ones. The plastic is soft and after you remove the screw a couple of times you can forget about them, they get loose.
It depends on the board. On some of my boards, anytime I pop a cap, the pop in ones come out and I have to reseat them. On those boards they also tend to feel a little loose and make more noise than the screw in ones. If I use a screw in stabilizer, I don't have any of those problems.
If you're really worried about them coming loose, there are various things you can put on the threads to make them tougher to unscrew.
Haha! That's just off another set. It doesn't actually go in the pok3r, I just needed the flat bar for the pok3r since I reassembled it with pcb mount stabs!Thick lube and bandaid mod below the stab :) If you cut carefully, it won't even show.Show Image(http://puu.sh/maIim/dc17c2b81a.jpg)
And this kills the Upswing Ring from releasing the key? I'm having difficulties imagining what Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages achieve for this.@zeal, these are off of a pok3r! Hope that helps. They are potato pics from my phone, so if you need something better, I have a dslr and a macro lens I can use. I just got lazy after about two hours of desoldering/replacing stabs and then resoldering
Is that a PCB stab wire in a plate mount stab? Many of us waited a few extra months for GMK Dolch because the plate mount stabs accidentally got paired with the middle-bend wires..
@zeal, these are off of a pok3r! Hope that helps. They are potato pics from my phone, so if you need something better, I have a dslr and a macro lens I can use. I just got lazy after about two hours of desoldering/replacing stabs and then resoldering
Thick lube and bandaid mod below the stab :) If you cut carefully, it won't even show.Show Image(http://puu.sh/maIim/dc17c2b81a.jpg)
And this kills the Upswing Ring from releasing the key? I'm having difficulties imagining what Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages achieve for this.
TRANSPARENT!
TRANSPARENT!
QuoteTRANSPARENT!
TRANSPARENT!
^ That was everyone shouting.
I've never tried screw in stabs before, I'm curious to give them a go. :thumb:
I would definitely like to have clear housings and gold wires, black sticks out a lot with an acrylic plate and Zealios.
Golden wires black housing and clear slider, sounds very nice combo.
Maybe golden wires clear housing and purple slider. :)This is what I would like.
Maybe golden wires clear housing and purple slider. :)This is what I would like.
Maybe golden wires clear housing and purple slider. :)This is what I would like.
Yep, it will work better in with purple zealio switch than cherry stabs.
Purple sliders with gold plated wires would almost be a deal breaker for me tbh, since I prefer using linears which f.e. on Zealios would have clear sliders as well.
After all, having all clear sliders on switches, but purples on stabs is definitely worse then having purple Zealios with all clear stabs. ;)
Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(If that means a silenced switch, you can absolutely count me in!!! Otherwise, you can probably still count me in! XD
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
I'm interested in these stabs if it ever happens!
Dang. I was super excited about this. :'(
What kind of pricing are people expecting for 1 set consisting of: 7x 2u stabs, 1x 6.25u, 1x 7u?
How many stab sets are you willing to order?
What kind of pricing are people expecting for 1 set consisting of: 7x 2u stabs, 1x 6.25u, 1x 7u?
Whatever it takes to get these.How many stab sets are you willing to order?
See above.
What kind of pricing are people expecting for 1 set consisting of: 7x 2u stabs, 1x 6.25u, 1x 7u?
Whatever it takes to get these.How many stab sets are you willing to order?
See above.
Not really helpful
As a minimum, I'd be willing to buy a minimum of 5 at about $20 per set. At most, I'd be willing to pay about $30 for five sets, and if it's less, I'd definitely be willing to purchase more!What kind of pricing are people expecting for 1 set consisting of: 7x 2u stabs, 1x 6.25u, 1x 7u?
Whatever it takes to get these.How many stab sets are you willing to order?
See above.
Not really helpful, unless you're ready to buy hundreds of sets yourself.
Dang. I was super excited about this. :'(
Well, I just got my quotes in for moulds and stab prices... It's doable depending on pricing. What kind of pricing are people expecting for 1 set consisting of: 7x 2u stabs, 1x 6.25u, 1x 7u? How many stab sets are you willing to order?
*please note that stabs may either be translucent white or transparent clear depending on the final result.
Update:Awesome! If it'll be that late, you can up my order to 8+ sets!
Even though half of me says it's not wise to go through with this project, the other half of me wants to see it come to fruition. I've decided to make it happen along with another project I'm working on. Stabs will be fully transparent. Q3 2016 - Prepare your wallets
Tentative GB date: July-August 2016.
Update:
Even though half of me says it's not wise to go through with this project, the other half of me wants to see it come to fruition. I've decided to make it happen along with another project I'm working on. Stabs will be fully transparent. Q3 2016 - Prepare your wallets :P
Tentative GB date: July-August 2016.
Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
Any eta for the unveiling?! The suspense is killing me!It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
^^^ Project that hasn't been revealed yet.
Any eta for the unveiling?! The suspense is killing me!It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
^^^ Project that hasn't been revealed yet.
Any eta for the unveiling?! The suspense is killing me!It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
^^^ Project that hasn't been revealed yet.
Hopefully Q3 of 2016.
But that's so far away!!! oh well. I suppose I could wait...Any eta for the unveiling?! The suspense is killing me!It's a project that, as I'm aware, has not been officially unveiled!!!Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Time to work on Zealio-S (which will definitely happen).
What's zealio-s? zealio r2?
^^^ Project that hasn't been revealed yet.
Hopefully Q3 of 2016.
When this happens, I'll buy some. Will make for a really great looking RGB board.
Well, it seems that Gateron is unwilling to produce stabs in transparent plastic, only in white/milky due to a few reasons. Also given the lack of response, it wouldn't be ideal to create two new moulds for a single run. :(
Update:
Even though half of me says it's not wise to go through with this project, the other half of me wants to see it come to fruition. I've decided to make it happen along with another project I'm working on. Stabs will be fully transparent. Q3 2016 - Prepare your wallets :P
Tentative GB date: July-August 2016.
Update:
Even though half of me says it's not wise to go through with this project, the other half of me wants to see it come to fruition. I've decided to make it happen along with another project I'm working on. Stabs will be fully transparent. Q3 2016 - Prepare your wallets :P
Tentative GB date: July-August 2016.
there is still hope
My bad didn't actually see that, some hope but don't want to get myself hyped up for it.
Has anyone thought of a way to reduce or eliminate stab ringing too? It's especially nasty with a heavier spring under a 7u spacebar.
I get it pretty bad on my 7u spacebar w/ PCB mount stabs w/ heavier spring, and it's worse when I flip the spacebar. Just tap on the spacebar a couple times, if it sounds clattery, that's what I'm calling stab ringing.
My name is grav3serker and I approve Zealio-S :thumb:
(Assuming they are stabilizers)
Hype! Haha :thumb:My name is grav3serker and I approve Zealio-S :thumb:
(Assuming they are stabilizers)
Zealio-S is another project, haha. Should be released along with the transparent stabilizer project. (thumb)
Zealio-S is a tactile hologram. The reason it won't debut until later this year is because the stem has a non-euclidian geometry that makes it incompatible with all existing keycaps. Manufacturing keycaps that can fit Zealio-S requires a 5-dimensional injection mold. Zealio-S are expected to cost 50 cents each. Because of the unique manufacturing process, keycaps for Zealio-S are expected to cost $8 - $17 trillion, each. I've heard that typing on them produces a sensation of the typist's consciousness resonating with the universe.Probably not, unless you have a plate like the one that winkeyless uses, which is designed to do that.
About the stabilizers: can they be installed on a prebuilt keyboard without having to desolder the switches and remove the plate?
Any updates on this?
Any updates on this?
Working on it.
Any updates on this?
Working on it.
How are you gonna called them? Zealstabs? :thumb:
Any updates on this?
Working on it.
How are you gonna called them? Zealstabs? :thumb:
I genuinely cannot possibly imagine that you're being serious.
Any updates on this?
Working on it.
How are you gonna called them? Zealstabs? :thumb:
I genuinely cannot possibly imagine that you're being serious.
Zeabilizers
Oops, meant Zealbilizers.
Ztabilizers
Zealio Companion Off-axis Balance Regulating Apparatus
- ZCOBRA -
Not certain, but were you aware of these Zeal?
https://world.taobao.com/item/531728803172.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-8496744310.54.eactUt
Not the screw in type though.
Not certain, but were you aware of these Zeal?
https://world.taobao.com/item/531728803172.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-8496744310.54.eactUt
Not the screw in type though.
Link doesn't seem to work.
For me at least...
hey Zeal, have you consider transparent stem yet? would that something be in the future?
Apparently the Taobao ones that just came out are louder than regular cherry stabs, plus the wires that come with them rattle like hell. Not worth.
bump. Progress update.
The taobao ones are very likely made out of polycarbonate. That material isn't optimal for smoothness and produces high pitched clacking sounds. Just looking at the surface, you can tell it's made from a very rough mould. No competition.
I just returned from a trip to Gateron and the transparent stabs are underway. ETA: 50 days until mould completion.
What will it look like?
-Screw in style PCB Mount
-Vintage "U" shape "factory-clipped" feet (since it's U shape, no more confusing which way the stab wire enters)
-Fully transparent nylon housing
-24k gold plated stabilizer wires in 2x, 6.25x, 7x.
-Gold plated screws
I need a new name for these stabilizers. :(
Project #2 will be released when stabilizers are out too.
I need a new name for these stabilizers. :(
Project #2 will be released when stabilizers are out too.
Okay, that is great. No way I can get these to work with plates? I take it no other housings will be made?
Okay, that is great. No way I can get these to work with plates? I take it no other housings will be made?
Who uses plate mounted stabilizers? :rolleyes:
ETA: 50 days until mould completion.
bump. Progress update.
The taobao ones are very likely made out of polycarbonate. That material isn't optimal for smoothness and produces high pitched clacking sounds. Just looking at the surface, you can tell it's made from a very rough mould. No competition.
I just returned from a trip to Gateron and the transparent stabs are underway. ETA: 50 days until mould completion.
What will it look like?
-Screw in style PCB Mount
-Vintage "U" shape "factory-clipped" feet (since it's U shape, no more confusing which way the stab wire enters)
-Fully transparent nylon housing
-24k gold plated stabilizer wires in 2x, 6.25x, 7x.
-Gold plated screws
I need a new name for these stabilizers. :(
Project #2 will be released when stabilizers are out too.
will these have a smoother travel than the cherry stabs? I think that in the current state cherry stabs affect the feel of switch quite significantly, in a bad way, I wonder if this can be improved upon.
Are this "old style sliders" compatible with usual PCB like GH60/Satan/Sentraq/GoN? I mean the screw-in part. Also would like to know the real difference with current Cherry Stabs which I feel quite sucks.
Awesome!
Yes, old style sliders / screw in style are compatible with all the current generation custom PCBs. The only difference is they come with a flat base, so no more clipping required, and instead of 2 push out plastic pins that sometimes dislodge, you can now screw in the stabilizer.
Thanks for the video, ntw. Seeing the stabilizers stand all the way up without any grease or tuning is not good...Stabilizers should be able to fall down on its own.true. can't wait for the zealstabs :cool:
Zeal, any updates on when your transparent cherry stabby will be available? I have ordered some R3 zealios, would be best if the stabby can be shipped together. In any case, hope will be on sale before VE.A ship. Plan to use them for it.
Thank you.
Zeal, any updates on when your transparent cherry stabby will be available? I have ordered some R3 zealios, would be best if the stabby can be shipped together. In any case, hope will be on sale before VE.A ship. Plan to use them for it.
Thank you.
If you read up a bit it'll be 50 days before the moulds are even done.
It'll be a while before the stabs are even ready to be sold.
any idea if the Massdrop ones are the same as the ones I bought from Taobao??
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/transparent-stabilizer-pack
Just saw those on massdrop and got excited. Then I read bad things about it and followed the trail to here.any idea if the Massdrop ones are the same as the ones I bought from Taobao??
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/transparent-stabilizer-pack
Most likely, but that's because I don't recall any other source of clear stabilizers other than those and the ones Zeal is planning, which of course haven't been made yet.
The ones on Massdrop do look like the poorly made ones on Taobao. Seeing the stabilizer pull all the way up and not fall down makes me cringe. :/
No comment on pricing yet. The process to make my stabilizers isn't a simple one, is all I can say. Remember, it addresses issues present on clip in and screw in type stabilizers.
Won't be showing the render yet, but will in the future.
Packs will most likely be sold as follows:
7x 2u
1x 6.25u
1x 7u wire
All wires 24k gold plated.
Total 8 sets of stabilizer housing & inserts, 7x 2u wires, 1x 6.25u wire, 1x 7u wire.
The ones on Massdrop do look like the poorly made ones on Taobao. Seeing the stabilizer pull all the way up and not fall down makes me cringe. :/
No comment on pricing yet. The process to make my stabilizers isn't a simple one, is all I can say. Remember, it addresses issues present on clip in and screw in type stabilizers.
Won't be showing the render yet, but will in the future.
Packs will most likely be sold as follows:
7x 2u
1x 6.25u
1x 7u wire
All wires 24k gold plated.
Total 8 sets of stabilizer housing & inserts, 7x 2u wires, 1x 6.25u wire, 1x 7u wire.
It'd be cool to see 6u added to that list given that GMK are making 6u spacebars now and EnjoyPBT already makes them.
Regardless I'm looking forward to these ;D
The ones on Massdrop do look like the poorly made ones on Taobao. Seeing the stabilizer pull all the way up and not fall down makes me cringe. :/
No comment on pricing yet. The process to make my stabilizers isn't a simple one, is all I can say. Remember, it addresses issues present on clip in and screw in type stabilizers.
Won't be showing the render yet, but will in the future.
Packs will most likely be sold as follows:
7x 2u
1x 6.25u
1x 7u wire
All wires 24k gold plated.
Total 8 sets of stabilizer housing & inserts, 7x 2u wires, 1x 6.25u wire, 1x 7u wire.
It'd be cool to see 6u added to that list given that GMK are making 6u spacebars now and EnjoyPBT already makes them.
Regardless I'm looking forward to these ;D
6u is definitely possible, but only a very small fraction of users would use 6u off centered spacebars.
6u is definitely possible, but only a very small fraction of users would use 6u off centered spacebars.
6u space bars cannot be flipped; that is a sacrilege.
Is there any rough estimate when the GB will take place? I apologise if this has been asked before. Browsed back a couple of pages and didn't see any post regarding this.
Hey Zeal, as the R3 groupbuy is about done. Any updates for these stabs? Thanks!
Hey Zeal, as the R3 groupbuy is about done. Any updates for these stabs? Thanks!
Still waiting on the moulds to finish. These moulds aren't CNC'd, but rather made via EDM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining
Any updates on these? I got a project on hold waiting for these! :)
Moulds are done, pre-production pictures have been sent to me. A few tweaks are being made, and I'm really excited to show all the new stuff! :)
Moulds are done, pre-production pictures have been sent to me. A few tweaks are being made, and I'm really excited to show all the new stuff! :)
Super cool thanks for the little update, did they provide any new ETA?
Moulds are done, pre-production pictures have been sent to me. A few tweaks are being made, and I'm really excited to show all the new stuff! :)
Super cool thanks for the little update, did they provide any new ETA?
Glad to hear about progress.
I've been assembling some aristotle stems in 65g zealios and hot damn these are great, looking forward to building them with these stabilizers.
Moulds are done, pre-production pictures have been sent to me. A few tweaks are being made, and I'm really excited to show all the new stuff! :)
Super cool thanks for the little update, did they provide any new ETA?
Zeal mentioned elsewhere that there will be 3 new projects and R4 zealios launching in August. Have to assume these are one of the projects, along with the RGB 60% he mentioned and probably his version of the QMX clips.
When in August is anyone's guess.
Is there a target price for the sets of stabs?
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Any idea when they might be available to purchase? I keep hearing great things about Aristotles and keep having an urge to try them!
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Any idea when they might be available to purchase? I keep hearing great things about Aristotles and keep having an urge to try them!
It's only great in Zealio housings. :p
Will announce when I get Aristotles in.
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Any idea when they might be available to purchase? I keep hearing great things about Aristotles and keep having an urge to try them!
It's only great in Zealio housings. :P
Will announce when I get Aristotles in.
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Any idea when they might be available to purchase? I keep hearing great things about Aristotles and keep having an urge to try them!
It's only great in Zealio housings. :P
Will announce when I get Aristotles in.
Good thing I bought plenty of Zealios in the last GB!
BTW, your shipping is AMAZING! I really don't mind paying extra for it because I know for a fact that it will be here the next day. I absolutely LOVE it! I just wish you had more LED colors and some Gateron Greens in stock right now...
Will Aristotles make a comeback?
A remade version won't, but I'm securing a last batch of NOS Aristotles as we speak...
Any idea when they might be available to purchase? I keep hearing great things about Aristotles and keep having an urge to try them!
It's only great in Zealio housings. :P
Will announce when I get Aristotles in.
Good thing I bought plenty of Zealios in the last GB!
BTW, your shipping is AMAZING! I really don't mind paying extra for it because I know for a fact that it will be here the next day. I absolutely LOVE it! I just wish you had more LED colors and some Gateron Greens in stock right now...
Thanks! :D I also love overnight express deliveries...I get spoiled when I use it to import stuff haha.
I've got most of the available 1.8mm colour variants in stock. Don't really have plans on stocking stock Gaterons for now, as many other vendors already do.
A lot of places do stock them but they are almost always out of the clear top green and blues. OriginativeCo has blues but no greens and 1up has the milky Gaterons in green and blue but they are out of stock of everything with clear tops or I would order from them. The only place that has them in stock is Winkeyless. I am just wanting you to carry them so I can have everything in one place!
Are there any other places that are in NA that stock the clear top Gaterons? I am fairly new so I am unfamiliar with all the different vendors.
Keep up the good work Zeal, looking forward to all the new items!A lot of places do stock them but they are almost always out of the clear top green and blues. OriginativeCo has blues but no greens and 1up has the milky Gaterons in green and blue but they are out of stock of everything with clear tops or I would order from them. The only place that has them in stock is Winkeyless. I am just wanting you to carry them so I can have everything in one place!
Are there any other places that are in NA that stock the clear top Gaterons? I am fairly new so I am unfamiliar with all the different vendors.
I have had a great experience with SwitchTop.co (http://www.switchtop.co/) for small, misc orders of switches and stabs. Its also nice that they stock alu feet.