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Title: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:23:55
(https://i.imgur.com/vgiEswM.jpg)

Bear by Jacky. Render by Manzel. (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/09.png))

GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117364.msg3127350#msg3127350)

GMK Prussian Blue
Dates & Vendors
TBD: The original Group Buy was canceled.  It is my hope that we'll be able to try again in the future, likely with some rework.  I've asked the mods to reopen this IC thread to track the future of this project, should such a future arise.

The Group Buy for this keyset will start 01 June 2022 and is expected to run through 01 July 2022.


Updates
09 Jun 2022 - Cancellation of original GB.
01 Jun 2022 - Start of original GB.
09 May 2022 - Updated international kit, added vendor list, and announced GB date.
11 Mar 2022 - Updated spacebar kitting to include both types of 6u bar; removed 1.75u bars.
04 Mar 2022 - Submitted for quotes via primary US vendor.

Background

More
What is GMK Prussian Blue?

GMK Prussian Blue is a custom keycap set to be manufactured in the Cherry profile by GMK Electronic Design GmbH (https://www.gmk-electronic-design.de/en/). These MX-compatible keycaps will be made from ABS plastic and doubleshot legends (with UV front-print where needed). GMK Prussian Blue uses a simple color scheme with a GMK stock white (CP) for its legends and a custom color for the base: RAL 230 20 20 (Preußischblau).

Background: Prussian Blue

Prussian Blue is a chemical compound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue) originally discovered in Berlin at the turn of the 18th century. It has been used in a variety of settings from art (Japanese woodblock painting) to architecture (a traditional blueprint dye) to medicine (a treatment for heavy metal poisoning).

Prussian Blue was also used for nearly two centuries to dye the military uniforms of the Kingdom of Prussia. The RAL standard and this keyset draw from this darker variant, and GMK Prussian Blue’s kitting takes further inspiration from the history of the Kingdom of Prussia itself.

The Kingdom of Prussia

The Kingdom of Prussia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia) was established circa 1701 and existed until approximately 1918. Its borders changed frequently, with many of its parts split into separate enclaves and exclaves. Though it was ruled by a German-speaking monarchy, its reality was far more diverse, including regions of Germans, Poles, Lithuanians, and Silesians. For most of its existence, however, the majority of Prussian territory lay within the current borders of Germany and Poland.


Two Base Kits

As a reflection of the Kingdom of Prussia’s multilingual and multicultural footprint, GMK Prussian Blue will offer two distinct base kits: one Polish and one German.

(https://i.imgur.com/cRW7uGo.jpg)
Polish/US Base Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/polish-us-base-with-markup.png))

(https://i.imgur.com/X2skCQi.jpg)
German Base Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/german-base-with-markup.png))

The Polish / US Base kit will use the modern “Polish Programmers’ Layout,” whose similarity to US ANSI allows it to also serve as the primary base kit. Its modifier key legends will be a mix of icons and English language modifiers. Especially when paired with the Spacebars addon, it provides physical compatibility for very wide array of boards, including a majority of 40% boards as well as rarities like the Vortex Race 3 (https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Vortexgear-Mx-Brown-Aluminium/dp/B071J5WTT6?th=1) and Boardwalk (https://mkultra.click/boardwalk-pcb).

The German Base kit will follow a German QWERTZ standard layout while also providing a QWERTY option. Its modifier key legends will use a mix of icons and German language modifiers, with most following the style of boards sold by GMK’s own Uniqey storefront (https://uniqey.net/q100-premium-mechanical-keyboard?c=10). Its physical support for nonstandard keyboard layouts is intentionally more limited to control costs.

Child Kits

(https://i.imgur.com/3jULfil.png)
Spacebars kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/spacebar-kit-with-markup.png))

(https://i.imgur.com/pORSCfK.png)
International Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/gmk-prussian-blue-international-kit.png))

The Spacebars kit provides a range of spacebar sizes for split & smaller keyboards.  It also includes two 6u spacebar keys: one with a centered stem and one with an off-center stem, allowing it to fit classic Cherry G80-1800 models.

The International Kit provides enough keys to convert the US / Polish base kit into a UK layout or into a more accurate US layout with no sublegends. Likewise, it contains the keys necessary to convert the German base kit into a Swedish, Finnish, Danish, or Norwegian layout.

Board Renders

Full resolution renders are available on the GMK Prussian Blue Home Page (http://GMK Prussian Blue Home Page).

All renders provided by Manzel.

Renders may contain inaccuracies and should not be considered the final authority on the appearance of the caps.

(https://i.imgur.com/eynsgbA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/H1gV5OW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/VaQ7gOJ.jpg)
Bear by Jacky with Polish / US base & spacebars kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/tSnRjmS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zfKdONJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/DdjwckN.jpg)
Mech27 TKL with German base.

Set Comparison Chart
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GMK Prussian Blue will include one new custom color (RAL 230 20 20). Its legends will be GMK stock white CP. Below is a diagram that compares the estimated RGB hex colors of several prior and upcoming GMK and Signature Plastics keysets with those of GMK Prussian Blue.

(https://i.imgur.com/qERdMAH.png)
Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/gmk-prussian-blue-color-standard-comparison.png)


Acknowledgements
Thanks to my amazing wife, who has remained supportive even as my home office fills with more keyboards, keycaps, color standards, and cardboard boxes.
Thanks to my adorable daughter, who brings me such joy.
Thanks to Afresh & konstantin for their immense help with getting the ogoneks right.
Thanks to Manzel for his professionalism and renders.
Thanks to hunghingdailo, who gifted me with a brilliant logo.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kbr35hC.png)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Ella on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:26:39
Very cool, nice to see sets with focus on language support!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:29:50
Excellent work as always
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:32:19
Let’s go


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: ad4m on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:33:43
so nice. from the kitting god himself
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:34:55
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:51:12
Lez go
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: nFaiz on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:02:20
great set nopun!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Michabc on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:02:54
Sehr schön!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:07:25
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:14:05
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:36:42
Here we go again, NoPunIn10Did coming out with another great set. I love this hue of blue, I can definitely see myself using this.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Xerunox on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:57:09
ZAMN
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: VoodooBear on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:58:38
Just gonna shoot my shot here: Please please pleeeeeease add at least 3-key (1.25u Tab, 1.75u BS, 1.5 Enter) 40's support to the German kit as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: novelflyer on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:04:07
Nice colour, GLWIC  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: jtqx on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:06:05
i want this. can we move this up to q1 instead of q3 :stocks:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: The0rigina1 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:08:15
wow oh wow i love this color
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:23:04
Just gonna shoot my shot here: Please please pleeeeeease add at least 3-key (1.25u Tab, 1.75u BS, 1.5 Enter) 40's support to the German kit as well.

I will consider it, but it's highly unlikely.  The German base will probably need to aim for a lower MOQ, so I am keeping it quite trim.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: XiXora on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:23:55
Oooh. I like the concept behind this… including the kitting.

I'd suggest moving the R4 [|\] from US base to UK/Subless kit and the R4 [><] from the Nordic kit to the US base kit for Terminal ISO as default that most modern kits support this layout for ISO :)
Or is the double slash thing a Polish programmer thing? I'm not that up on many ISO layouts other than UK and Mac :P

(Ps. 1.5U Systems! woo!)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Tweec on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:27:00
Interesting take on the no "fully" latin base kit, otherwise, amazing colors!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: herbologist on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:28:12
What a gorgeous color. Normally I prefer icon+text but I'm feeling this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Bachoo on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:32:57
Very well done nopun, best of luck with the IC -- I love the blue  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mymeepo on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:51:23
Wow, German support in a base kit. You have my Unterstützung.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:57:30
Oooh. I like the concept behind this… including the kitting.

I'd suggest moving the R4 [|\] from US base to UK/Subless kit and the R4 [><] from the Nordic kit to the US base kit for Terminal ISO as default that most modern kits support this layout for ISO :)
Or is the double slash thing a Polish programmer thing? I'm not that up on many ISO layouts other than UK and Mac :P

(Ps. 1.5U Systems! woo!)

So the double slash thing is indeed an intentional design decision.  I was reading up on the Polish Programmer's layout, and it seems like they are still officially an ISO layout even though it's built to resemble ANSI more.  I suspect that is the case so as to physically support Poles who need to revert to the old QWERTZ-based ISO layout.  So the second backslash isn't solely a Windows shortcut in this case, but a baked-in part of the spec.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:59:39
Interesting take on the no "fully" latin base kit, otherwise, amazing colors!

I mean, it's still Latin.  Just not English.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vishydesigns on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:34:29
Awesome set NoPun! Love the simplicity, and all the extra touches. Will definitely be picking this up!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: boneandbee on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:41:30
digging on the deep teal - can't wait to see it on a white board! GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: phinix on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:44:27
Uuuu.. pierwszy raz widze polski set :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: stewfayew on Tue, 30 November 2021, 15:25:31
Edit: there's no Ñ I'm blind

BUT still beautiful color and logo :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:04:52
Awesome work here, definitely one of the more interesting sets I've seen recently. I was planning on not getting any GMK sets for awhile due to their insane lead times recently, but this will be worth the wait!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: TyPo.mk on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:08:19
That is a nice blue. 2 base kits might be rough in this market though
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: honoka on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:19:20
Super progressive kits.
I'm a sucker for sets without accented mods AND ISO-DE. So this is instantly a banger.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mmayhem17 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:19:48
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:38:07
Isn’t centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: TomatoMan on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:33:58
killer minimal set, love the color as well   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:35:31
Isn’t centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).

I’m considering adding the 6u centered. I have a Cherry board that uses the off-center stem.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:36:55
That is a nice blue. 2 base kits might be rough in this market though

Maybe?

The advantage here is that there’s a lot less crossover in the audiences. The two are less likely to cannibalize sales from each other.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:57:15
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.

Do you know the color standard for that?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: sub0001 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 18:04:49
This is lovely, GLWIC! :thumb:
Title: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Kacperoni on Tue, 30 November 2021, 19:09:05
Imma get one please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 30 November 2021, 19:16:15
Isn’t centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).

I’m considering adding the 6u centered. I have a Cherry board that uses the off-center stem.
Thank you for your consideration. I suppose it wouldn't be a deal-breaker, since those that I have boards doesn't have ISO anyway, and this kit looks very choice for norde. Nice color, and quite unique with the special characters and mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 30 November 2021, 20:07:29
Can we get a pic of the plastic chip for 230 20 20 at some point? Love the color chart, but sample next to the sets themselves is always my favorite.

If the German kits could use 3 key 40s from the other one, I’ll ship mine cheap from the states. Maybe others would too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 20:39:08
Can we get a pic of the plastic chip for 230 20 20 at some point? Love the color chart, but sample next to the sets themselves is always my favorite.

If the German kits could use 3 key 40s from the other one, I’ll ship mine cheap from the states. Maybe others would too.

I can get a picture of the sample in my D2 book, but last I checked RAL was out of the plastic for this specific color (CORRECTION: they don’t offer official plastic for this color at all). Also I don’t own those other sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 30 November 2021, 22:49:59
I’ve got 3 or 4 of those at home and if you want when I’m back (w my dad who’s very sick) I can mail you a cap of each.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 23:27:33
I’ve got 3 or 4 of those at home and if you want when I’m back (w my dad who’s very sick) I can mail you a cap of each.

That’s a very kind offer. Message me on Discord and we can work out the details.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: knbbl on Wed, 01 December 2021, 00:51:54
Very well done!

Is there no F13 in the German base for a particular reason?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: stidal on Wed, 01 December 2021, 03:40:19
been waiting for a prussian blue set. so nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:04:48
Very well done!

Is there no F13 in the German base for a particular reason?

The German base kit is likely to need to run at a lower MOQ, so I had to make a number of cuts. F13 didn’t make the cut.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:46:30
Dziękuję :)

Great seeing polish subs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 13:58:16
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 01 December 2021, 15:13:04
cz. wygląda naprawdę dobrze. hoping you will consider 1.5u System and 1u Alt for hhkb and macos users. also, an R1 "=" for numpad would be useful but i know some keys have to be left out. powodzenia  :thumb:



edit: 1.5u Super keys, sweet! dz!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 15:33:01
cz. wygląda naprawdę dobrze. hoping you will consider 1.5u System and 1u Alt for hhkb and macos users. also, an R1 "=" for numpad would be useful but i know some keys have to be left out. powodzenia  :thumb:

The 1.5u System and 1u Alt/AltGr keys are already present. R1 Numpad equals is something I felt I had to trim, even though I do like it personally.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Bobatype on Wed, 01 December 2021, 16:14:01
I like it!
Prussian Blue is quite a famous pigment historically, that it when it came out, it even spread its use all the way to the East, where in fact Japanese woodblock prints like the famous "The Great Wave off Kanagawa" made use of it. (A quick fun article for those curious on the influence of pigment: https://quintessenceblog.com/prussian-blue-the-art-and-science-of-color/).

I was curious about the rationale behind the inclusion of the"Escape" button in the base kit.
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.

Will new sublegend molds be made for that base kit too? Just from an aesthetic perspective, they seem a touch large in the renders, and shrinking them a bit in size might look better?

That's a really slick logo (<3 hunghingdailo).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: LaserCrafter on Wed, 01 December 2021, 16:18:56
iso-de base kit so good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:19:01
I like it!
Prussian Blue is quite a famous pigment historically, that it when it came out, it even spread its use all the way to the East, where in fact Japanese woodblock prints like the famous "The Great Wave off Kanagawa" made use of it. (A quick fun article for those curious on the influence of pigment: https://quintessenceblog.com/prussian-blue-the-art-and-science-of-color/).

I was curious about the rationale behind the inclusion of the"Escape" button in the base kit.
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.

Will new sublegend molds be made for that base kit too? Just from an aesthetic perspective, they seem a touch large in the renders, and shrinking them a bit in size might look better?

That's a really slick logo (<3 hunghingdailo).

The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really don’t like the control icon in this context. The design language I’m following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Bobatype on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:40:30
The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really don’t like the control icon in this context. The design language I’m following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Ah fair enough. I don't know anything about Polish layout, but given that they are alternative capitals, it makes sense they match the size of the primary capitals.
Visually, I guess I'm partly used to kana sublegends which tend to be a smaller size/stroke weight when they're in the tertiary position which led to my initial impression that they looked a bit large at first glance.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: maximize on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:45:04
RIP to anyone triggered by those Mech27 renders lmao. The set looks amazing. I love that blue.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:18:22
The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really don’t like the control icon in this context. The design language I’m following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Ah fair enough. I don't know anything about Polish layout, but given that they are alternative capitals, it makes sense they match the size of the primary capitals.
Visually, I guess I'm partly used to kana sublegends which tend to be a smaller size/stroke weight when they're in the tertiary position which led to my initial impression that they looked a bit large at first glance.

Ah, gotcha. With kana, you’re switching alphabets, so it’s easier to play with sizing and such. For the Polish Programmers’ layout, it’s still the Latin alphabet. The additional letters with diacritics are accessed via AltGr.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:27:48
(Polish/US base) What's the R3 1.5u key for? I think that and the second R4 1u Ctrl can be removed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:31:19
(Polish/US base) What's the R3 1.5u key for? I think that and the second R4 1u Ctrl can be removed.

1.5u caps lock provides physical Boardwalk / Ergo support. Second 1u Ctrl is specifically for G80/1800 support.

(These are not kitting decisions I widely recommend, more just my personal preference, like the Vortex Race 3 support)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hali on Wed, 01 December 2021, 19:50:06
late to the party but i super love this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 01 December 2021, 20:06:24
I’ll get a set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 01 December 2021, 20:29:50
The 1.5u System and 1u Alt/AltGr keys are already present. R1 Numpad equals is something I felt I had to trim, even though I do like it personally.

bad combo of a head cold and small phone screen. thanks, and i’m in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 02 December 2021, 00:00:54
GLWIC, NoPun!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 02 December 2021, 02:58:00
SOLD
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Thu, 02 December 2021, 03:46:45
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/triumph-adler-gmk-keyset/FP/9KEI21TR32tljOj5jqna_MD-5860_20150323164917_d2507fdb80859622.jpg?bg=f0f0f0)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: robsta on Thu, 02 December 2021, 04:09:01
base kit with full german support? i go for it!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 02 December 2021, 04:47:27
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Thu, 02 December 2021, 06:24:36
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: bukowski on Thu, 02 December 2021, 07:09:02
A german base set? Oh wow.

I am super-in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 02 December 2021, 10:49:34
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.

this has to be bait
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: actress on Thu, 02 December 2021, 17:14:45
I like the colour. Would personally prefer text + icon mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Fri, 03 December 2021, 02:20:05
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.

this has to be bait

Have ever seen triumph adler renderings vs final product?

Or gmk plum?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83969.700

They simple make an horrible job in matching colors to renderings or RALs. Furtermore in picture colors look always more vibrant than they are, and the "shine" a little only if ligth intensity is very high. I always go for bright sets because they end up being just dull.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 03 December 2021, 05:53:49
You forgot to mention GMK Necro, that will enforce your argument I’m sure
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 03 December 2021, 08:42:35
Can we please not use this set’s thread to grind your axe against GMK?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mmayhem17 on Fri, 03 December 2021, 09:18:56
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.

Do you know the color standard for that?

Mr. Dandruff removed RAL from IC....

Anyway, I'm in for the uncommon layouts and the nice blue!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Fri, 03 December 2021, 10:00:36
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this set’s thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: nFaiz on Fri, 03 December 2021, 22:19:14
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this set’s thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Isn’t asking GMK for a color sample standard GB procedure?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Sat, 04 December 2021, 03:05:42
I've been a bit of a grinch when it comes to some of the more recent sets... lately nothing really does it for me... this however looks like a must cop.  I'll probably go in on this and hope the colors come out as presented.  Was recently disappointed w/ Deep Navy and I kinda don't want to go through that again...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 04 December 2021, 10:31:07
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this set’s thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Isn’t asking GMK for a color sample standard GB procedure?

They’ve apparently stopped doing that pre-GB. The queue is just too long for them to keep up with orders that haven’t actually been placed yet.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Sat, 04 December 2021, 13:09:16
made a thread about color matching, so we stop posting here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115538.msg3098136 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115538.msg3098136)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: krzank on Sat, 18 December 2021, 17:23:05
I want it, both sets. Please make it happen.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: krzank on Sat, 18 December 2021, 17:31:37
R5 ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 19 December 2021, 09:34:35
R5 ?

No, that adds a lot of cost, and I personally haven’t used R5 enough to know whether I’d actually like it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 19 December 2021, 17:44:55
R5 ?

No, that adds a lot of cost, and I personally haven’t used R5 enough to know whether I’d actually like it.

it's a novelty that, while popular and arguably cool, isn't necessary unless you want it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: sorathiel on Mon, 20 December 2021, 17:50:37
1.5u "# ' " I must be dreaming. ANSI-DE in an actual set!  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: maximize on Mon, 20 December 2021, 21:03:50
Why are you planning to wait until Q3 to run this?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: herfalerf on Mon, 20 December 2021, 21:29:59
This ****ty looks litty.

I am convinced that mono sets in nice colors may be as good or better than beige. I slept on crimson cadet and perestroika. I am fully
Awake for this.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 21 December 2021, 09:43:39
Why are you planning to wait until Q3 to run this?

It's likely it will run earlier.  I just didn't want to rush into things, particularly with a holiday break about to start.  Still lots of logistics to work through.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 21 December 2021, 10:41:59
I never mind the several season wait too much as that often comes with a top tier vendor and high MOQ
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 21 December 2021, 11:43:06
Thank you for offering a UK/Subless kit, will definitely be buying this set. I love the color!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:05:34
YAY POLISH

100% in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 23 December 2021, 08:53:41
Thanks for the UK kit, love the pants off this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vheissu on Sat, 25 December 2021, 23:42:25
In love with this shade of blue and the story behind it. Definitely a buy :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: JomiKarloz on Sat, 25 December 2021, 23:45:54
This is the shade of blue that the world needed, love it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: saigou on Fri, 31 December 2021, 09:49:51
Hoping for an Asian vendor!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: jagger27 on Sat, 01 January 2022, 02:45:01
System supers with 2x1.5Us in base kit? Am I dreaming?

instacop
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 02 January 2022, 06:00:48
...
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

But there is no reason to don't not combine, isn't it? I guess that you don't wanna have just PL + No for full No? For full No you need PL + Int (incl. No). Please keep one international set.

...
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.
...

I agree and like it, there are no so many sets with R3 Control as icon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:18:18
...
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

But there is no reason to don't not combine, isn't it? I guess that you don't wanna have just PL + No for full No? For full No you need PL + Int (incl. No). Please keep one international set.

...
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.
...

I agree and like it, there are no so many sets with R3 Control as icon.

Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesn’t provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:32:38
Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesn’t provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.

Sorry, I didn't know. Then doesn't make sense to have German legends (which I like) on keycaps for Norwegian layout no?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 02 January 2022, 11:17:09
Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesn’t provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.

Sorry, I didn't know. Then doesn't make sense to have German legends (which I like) on keycaps for Norwegian layout no?

It has to do with alpha compatibility. Norwegian has far more in common with the German keyboard layout than with Polish or English.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 04 January 2022, 03:03:29
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 04 January 2022, 08:53:07
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).

You should already have an ordinary Q in the US / Polish base kit.  The Q in the Nordic addon is to replace the Q@ in the German base.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 16 January 2022, 07:19:04
Is possible to add any accents please? Like PrBlue on white (CP) for Esc and both Enters (US/ISO)? Or nice Rama?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 16 January 2022, 08:53:44
Is possible to add any accents please? Like PrBlue on white (CP) for Esc and both Enters (US/ISO)? Or nice Rama?

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.

As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 16 January 2022, 09:13:20

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.


Thanks a lot for explanation, I've meant by "Rama" expression metal keycap(s).


As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.

I've meant just reversed colours for Esc and Enter (PrBlue legends on CP white keycap) 2 keycaps more with same colours as rest of the set. Anyway thanks for explanation! ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: gotgoodiez on Sun, 16 January 2022, 23:43:42
Love this color! Wish we didn't have to wait forever before we get this..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chenson on Mon, 17 January 2022, 01:16:10

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.


Thanks a lot for explanation, I've meant by "Rama" expression metal keycap(s).


As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.

I've meant just reversed colours for Esc and Enter (PrBlue legends on CP white keycap) 2 keycaps more with same colours as rest of the set. Anyway thanks for explanation! ;-)

I hope HIBI is one of those manufacturers.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: knbbl on Mon, 31 January 2022, 01:27:58
The german R3 control "Steuerung" would be a new mold, right? Can't remember seeing that anywhere else.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Dyto69 on Mon, 31 January 2022, 04:06:57
Lookin very nice, I like the available Layouts
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: DeMechanica on Mon, 31 January 2022, 05:41:58
Add Ortho support, please? Stunning set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 31 January 2022, 06:24:48
Add Ortho support, please? Stunning set.

There’s physical Ortho support. I’m not planning a child kit for all the ortho legends though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 01 February 2022, 16:52:44
Y E S
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: treeleaf64 on Wed, 02 February 2022, 16:00:50
would look nice on eniigma thing , was looking at the colors of that earlier  . am fan of this set and always love alternate base !
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MrJibJub on Thu, 03 February 2022, 07:04:19
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).

there is more languages then English. I like that the international sets are not separate. you have so many sets in English only and it makes this hobby so much harder to do in other places then USA or UK or Australia.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 03 February 2022, 10:53:55
February Update:

I've let this IC sleep a little and collect replies over the last month while I focus on other projects.  My hope is to start the process for getting price estimates and then announce my vendors.  Actual GB could be in either Q2 or Q3 of 2020 2022, but all I have is an unofficial internal date at the moment (which could change).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chenson on Thu, 03 February 2022, 20:20:14
February Update:

I've let this IC sleep a little and collect replies over the last month while I focus on other projects.  My hope is to start the process for getting price estimates and then announce my vendors.  Actual GB could be in either Q2 or Q3 of 2020, but all I have is an unofficial internal date at the moment (which could change).

Might need to change "2020" to "2022"  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 23 February 2022, 13:22:10
We've submitted kits for quotes, and now we're just playing the waiting game.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vishydesigns on Thu, 24 February 2022, 15:29:30
Im in for sure
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: actress on Sat, 26 February 2022, 16:48:06
This set grew on me big time! Can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: solomonshv on Wed, 09 March 2022, 06:08:24
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 09 March 2022, 14:30:42
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: AeternusCo on Wed, 09 March 2022, 15:05:40
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 09 March 2022, 15:21:19
What they've done instead now is purchase what I've been led to believe is a VERY nice spectrometer / colorimeter setup to do verification of color against pantones / RAL / what-have you.

That doesn't solve the problem of render accuracy, as customers won't be able to see the plastic until after the GB, but it is likely going to make the process of matching to the intended standard far more straightforward.

any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 09 March 2022, 16:53:50
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.

nah. they do it all in house now. so basically, you can expect to get EXACTLY what you ask for, you just better be sure of what it is you're asking for.

e: whoops I missed Nopun's reply.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Thu, 10 March 2022, 06:30:07
eagerly awaiting this one... I might actually be done w/ GMK gbs after this one...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: rndr on Thu, 10 March 2022, 09:56:14
Will this ever see the light of the day?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 10 March 2022, 13:35:44
Will this ever see the light of the day?

That's the plan.  We're currently waiting on quotes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 11 March 2022, 09:05:40
I've posted a minor update to the kitting.  The spacebars kit now includes both types of 6u bar (centered and off-center), and the 1.75u bars were removed to offset that cost.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 11 March 2022, 10:40:32
The german R3 control "Steuerung" would be a new mold, right? Can't remember seeing that anywhere else.

Yes, I believe so.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rpmorrison10 on Sat, 12 March 2022, 11:44:55
pretty fat us  base kit. Do you have any pricing estimates yet?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 12 March 2022, 12:01:52
pretty fat us  base kit. Do you have any pricing estimates yet?

We are still waiting for quotes. The size of the kit is surprisingly not as many extra keys as you might think; I compared key counts with a GMK set currently running with a 130 price tag, and Prussian Blue only has three more keys (and a lower plastic color count).

We’ll have to see, but I think the final price will be reasonable.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: AeternusCo on Sat, 12 March 2022, 12:07:55
That's great to hear. The colors for this set are fantastic, if price is good too that helps make up for current GMK lead times for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 01 April 2022, 16:19:02
We have quotes in hand and are still discussing plans, scheduling, et cetera.  Wheels in motion, even if slowly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rilow on Tue, 05 April 2022, 12:30:00
I'm so ready for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 02 May 2022, 13:00:31
May update:

We are assembling all proxy vendors and hope to have a GB date to announce fairly soon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chingu on Mon, 02 May 2022, 13:35:52
Definitely interested!

Love the colors and as a nordic user the kitting is perfect!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 09 May 2022, 13:11:31
I am happy and excited to announce that the GB for GMK Prussian Blue will begin 01 June 2022!

Vendors
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 09 May 2022, 13:52:13
I am happy and excited to announce that the GB for GMK Prussian Blue will begin 01 June 2022!

Vendors
  • US - CannonKeys (https://cannonkeys.com/)
  • UK - Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)
  • EU - MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
  • CA - Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
  • SEA - iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/)
  • AU - Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)

Exciting news, I'll make sure to save up and join during the GB period!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 10 May 2022, 12:55:37
Count me in! Probably Polish base and intl kit. Good to see this run quite early.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: weekendkeyboard on Tue, 10 May 2022, 13:26:42
Reserved!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: irithyll on Tue, 10 May 2022, 19:11:01
Less than a month to save up money!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: Finite on Mon, 16 May 2022, 02:06:08
Well, seeing as how I'm half Polish, I think this set is a must-buy for me! Fingers crossed that KAT Napoleonic ships before this, lmao.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: LegendsWorks on Mon, 16 May 2022, 03:05:46
Now this, This is good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 16 May 2022, 03:55:15
Not many of them left I believe. But in case any of the offspring from the house of Hohenzollern are into keyboards nowadays, they would probably want to get a set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 23 May 2022, 09:37:39
Silly question: is it possible to add "Rama Lake" color (they should have keycaps and keyboards as well) to the table "Set Comparison Chart" please?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: aerospice on Mon, 23 May 2022, 12:14:19
Silly question: is it possible to add "Rama Lake" color (they should have keycaps and keyboards as well) to the table "Set Comparison Chart" please?

You can probably use GMK Deep Navy from the comparison sheet since the colors for the "Lake" Rama CAPS look very similar to each other
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: spedywin on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:52:07
i like
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: weekendkeyboard on Wed, 01 June 2022, 09:50:49
Reserved :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 02 June 2022, 13:40:22
The Group Buy thread is now live:
GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117364.msg3127350#msg3127350)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 09 June 2022, 09:10:39
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 09 June 2022, 10:10:57
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.

 :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: phoenixrage on Thu, 09 June 2022, 10:51:44
Damn that sucks, hope to see it come back later on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: zebus on Thu, 09 June 2022, 12:56:21
Man if a set this good can’t make it then I feel like GMK is officially RIP until they get their **** together.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LegendsWorks on Thu, 09 June 2022, 13:37:16
 :'(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:11:28
Man if a set this good can’t make it then I feel like GMK is officially RIP until they get their **** together.


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mitclan just did 850 or so orders on day 1, GMK is definitely not dead

this happened to run at the same time

people are a lot pickier about what GMK GBs they're joining now
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: zebus on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:18:10
Oh. Seems like every set I’ve got in on lately has either been canceled, barely made moq and/or had to cancel a majority of the extra kits. I didn’t have any interest in Mictlan.. apparently I just have bad taste. This set was a 10 for me.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: GMK83 on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:32:14
Sad that this isn’t running.  Such a nice set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: heavyheaded on Thu, 09 June 2022, 15:25:40
Damn, I need my polish subs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 09 June 2022, 16:25:51
I think Mictlan is a great set. It’s just hard to sit side-by-side with such a massive price difference (and far higher MOQ).

I don’t know the degree to which that made an actual difference, but it likely didn’t help.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Zetina on Thu, 09 June 2022, 16:33:29
Hopefully we can see a re-run of the set in the near future, at the end of the day it's probably one of the best sets that have gone into GB this year.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: datfroyodoe on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:21:32
I think Mictlan is a great set. It’s just hard to sit side-by-side with such a massive price difference (and far higher MOQ).

I don’t know the degree to which that made an actual difference, but it likely didn’t help.

having the 2 base kits didnt help either. i was on the fence the whole time deciding which base kit to buy and still i can't decide. the price also made is so that buying 2 base kits was out of the question.

a polish base kit + german addon would've been a better play or vice versa.

just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: actress on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:38:07
truly surprised. Hope to see it rerun someday
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: XiXora on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:41:23
Didn't expect this.
I thought it was pretty well kitted and had everything I wanted in it.

Hopefully, its just a timing issue and we can enjoy this at a future date.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: sntXrrr on Thu, 09 June 2022, 21:40:20
Too bad, I really like the color and mods. Hopefully we'll get another chance.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Chenson on Fri, 10 June 2022, 01:34:41
Sad that this is cancelled. I for sure hope this will run again in the near future.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Fri, 10 June 2022, 01:54:59
This is so sad. Best set of the year. Hope it will run another time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: firstworldproblems on Fri, 10 June 2022, 04:14:43
I really REALLY hope this set comes back later this year.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Minam on Fri, 10 June 2022, 09:10:36
Sucks. I was going to buy x2 base kits of this with intl kits. I just usually wait until the last day since why pay money 1 month earlier?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: gotgoodiez on Fri, 10 June 2022, 12:37:16
Rough, really wanted to pick this set up. Hopefully you can run it later at a better time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: less_blank on Fri, 10 June 2022, 13:52:17
Damn was also gonna pick this up later in the month. Definitely a bummer, a set this good deserves to be made, hopefully it’ll get another shot.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Sainity on Fri, 10 June 2022, 15:06:06
Same here. Very much looking forward to this set whenever it hits GB next time around.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 15 June 2022, 13:39:32
Damn, I just wanted to order 3 sets ....

This colorway is an absolute champ. A gem. A must-buy. This groupbuy has to happen someday.

I think the ridiculous GMK-waiting time might turn many people off. I'm currently waiting for 3 other GMK sets because they just cannot produce fast enough (amateurs).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Finite on Fri, 17 June 2022, 17:34:57
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.

Oh no, I guess this is why there is such a push for buying in the first week. That sucks, I was waiting until my next paycheck to buy into the GB. I really hope to see this happen in the future, maybe still with GMK, or maybe PBTfans (because every designer and their mother seems to be turning towards them until GMK's new employees are fully trained and the backlog clears up). Though with how they're doing things, it might be hard to get this specific set to run through them, so idk, it's up to you and your infinite wisdom to determine what's right. Just know that I'll buy this no matter what form it takes on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 20 June 2022, 09:31:28
Out of curiosity, why didn’t you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:10:48
Out of curiosity, why didn’t you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term

I can ask my vendors, but I'm not sure how useful they'd actually be when we're not talking about final numbers.  Final sales are useful because there's a useful like-for-like basis to look at, but for a GB that lasted a week and then had to be canceled?  We didn't even have full up-to-date numbers for everyone at that point.

Had we not canceled already, I would have posted one-week sales numbers, but that just didn't happen.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:38:23
Out of curiosity, why didn’t you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term

I can ask my vendors, but I'm not sure how useful they'd actually be when we're not talking about final numbers.  Final sales are useful because there's a useful like-for-like basis to look at, but for a GB that lasted a week and then had to be canceled?  We didn't even have full up-to-date numbers for everyone at that point.

Had we not canceled already, I would have posted one-week sales numbers, but that just didn't happen.

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:42:28

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle

In regard to the Hibi, I just wanted to use one of their "house" designs, something that was collectible and that differs from their other similar caps solely by color.  I wasn't really intending on doing novelties for this set at all, and some of the old symbols of Prussia haven't aged very well and are widely used for nefarious meanings.  The eagle might have been okay, but I wouldn't have been able to get something with the level of detail of a typical heraldic symbol.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:55:45

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle

In regard to the Hibi, I just wanted to use one of their "house" designs, something that was collectible and that differs from their other similar caps solely by color.  I wasn't really intending on doing novelties for this set at all, and some of the old symbols of Prussia haven't aged very well and are widely used for nefarious meanings.  The eagle might have been okay, but I wouldn't have been able to get something with the level of detail of a typical heraldic symbol.

Understand, ... just in case of Release 1.1: what about "simplified crown"? (empire == crown)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/set-crown-modern-thin-line-style-high-quality-black-outline-symbols-web-site-design-mobile-apps-simple-linear-88151601.jpg)
(https://i.etsystatic.com/11334985/r/il/9fc11d/2361840552/il_794xN.2361840552_o231.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: DeMechanica on Mon, 20 June 2022, 17:12:57
I was down for this set, hadn’t bought in yet due to timing. Can’t wait for it when it eventually (hopefully?) runs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Shorle on Fri, 24 June 2022, 16:31:47
The cancellation saddens me, this set was a perfect fit. I love the colour way and previous GBs in a similar colour didn't offer NorDe support at all. This kit has my coveted German support from the get go which makes this a banger deal for any German writing enthusiast wanting something else than OG Cherry keycaps. My initial plan was to pledge my support with day1 purchases but reason got the better of me and I was going to buy 3-4 sets at the end of the month. I guess it wouldn't have made a difference.
I understand the "competition" for our money with Mictlan but Mictlan sadly doesn't offer any NorDe.
I hope this gets a re-run soon, maybe after GMK gets their production in line and fixes those crooked letters so it's for the better for us after all.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ThreadyKeycaps on Fri, 24 June 2022, 21:48:08
simple but cool!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: OmegaZero55 on Sat, 25 June 2022, 19:26:53
I hope this set does come back in the future. The timing was just bad for me, so that's why I didn't buy it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 10:21:45
Just a quick note here that while I don't have a timeline yet, I have begun getting quotes and putting together art assets for a DCS version of Prussian Blue.

Things of note:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ankit on Mon, 01 August 2022, 10:58:48
100% in for a DCS version, especially with Gorton modified. Can't wait for this.  :thumb:  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: mundhra on Mon, 01 August 2022, 11:29:36
great news, very hype for PB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: HalfScrim on Mon, 01 August 2022, 11:49:46
Definitely down to have this set in DCS. Looking forward to more updates
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:00:18
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: panka on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:09:05
**** YES
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:22:46
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.

The planned DCS run will not prevent another attempt at a GMK run.  The second attempt is going to have to wait for GMK hate to die down anyway, so the goal is to have a route to a viable product in the meantime that I and others can enjoy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Jampot_298 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:26:31
Thank you for DCS! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:31:07
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Are you aware of the definition of insanity?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:31:32
Just a quick note here that while I don't have a timeline yet, I have begun getting quotes and putting together art assets for a DCS version of Prussian Blue.

Things of note:
  • Legends would use a Gorton / Wyse typeface, as SP has nearly all of the German language modifiers in this style. Any new legends will attempt to follow the same style.
  • Instead of two base kits, I am aiming to have one base mods kit and two alpha kit options. 
    • The base mods kit will include support for most 40s, 60s, 65s, 75s, and TKL.  It will also include Alice support, though the short bars will unfortunately have to be concave blanks.
    • Numpad will have a separate kit (as that is more affordable to separate out in SP).
    • The primary alpha kit will include support for US, UK, and Polish layouts (with the Polish sublegends optional).
    • The second alpha kit will support standard ISO NorDe layouts as well as both ANSI-DE variants (R2 1.50u #' and R1 1u #').
  • German language modifiers will be contained in a small supplemental addon kit.
  • Ergodoxian support is being reworked and may be omitted  :(
  • This version will target the same RAL color for the blue and will use a stock SP white.
Please show kitting, I'm effing hyped
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:40:53
Please show kitting, I'm effing hyped

Kitting is still in flux, but I'd be willing to show some details on my discord server.  Right now I'm working from KLE diagrams, however, and the actual icons and typeface present there aren't going to match the eventual product.  I'm still in the process of putting together vectors of all those legends so that they can be rendered properly.  Even said renders will still contain inaccuracies, but they should be a great deal better than the present state of affairs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Mon, 01 August 2022, 13:56:36
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Are you aware of the definition of insanity?

What are you implying?
Maybe you're new to this hobby, but several cancelled sets have later ran successfully.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 01 August 2022, 14:06:40
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 01 August 2022, 14:48:16
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made

anyone who is willing to pay for it can likely have it done, it's just expensive and GB numbers are low so people are trying to keep prices down
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 01 August 2022, 15:56:27
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made

anyone who is willing to pay for it can likely have it done, it's just expensive and GB numbers are low so people are trying to keep prices down

ahh unfortunate but makes sense, maybe some day!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 22:40:44
My understanding is that SP is already planning to create convex moulds for short bars in DCS, but the timeline for that is slow. It took them quite a while to get bars made for SA, and I don’t know whether DCS or DSA is their next priority.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 02 August 2022, 01:37:26
Oh im all in for DCS LETS GOOOOOO
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: acerb on Tue, 02 August 2022, 03:39:00
Would those be Double Shot? Sorry for my ignorance of the SP DCS molds...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 02 August 2022, 05:56:42
Would those be Double Shot? Sorry for my ignorance of the SP DCS molds...

DCS is available in both dyesub and doubleshot. This set would be doubleshot ABS.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: jtqx on Tue, 02 August 2022, 12:19:29
My understanding is that SP is already planning to create convex moulds for short bars in DCS, but the timeline for that is slow. It took them quite a while to get bars made for SA, and I don’t know whether DCS or DSA is their next priority.

Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

I acknowledge that buying these bars in a separate kit will be more costly for those who want it.
However, I personally, as a user of layouts that require the short spacebars, will never use non-convex spacebars. I do think that this sentiment is shared by the majority. Non-convex spacebars are weird, and I might as well be using my shift keys. The difference between it being blank and having legends is negligible to me because it is already in a wrong profile.
Happy to be proven wrong with stats from any ICs because these are just based on my observations.

Therefore, I think in the climate of the high prices of DCS/SP base kits, and the rising USD, its better if base kits can be less bloated to reduce costs.

Of course, the best case is to have convex moulds available, in which case I would love for it to be included. But as you said, timelines are long and it will likely not be done in time for this GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 02 August 2022, 12:59:21
Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

Decisions of this sort will be made based on actual quotes.  While concave blanks are clearly not optimal for use as short bars, there are many who would want them anyway in lieu of just using Shift keys or the like.  Until I get actual quotes back, however, it is not clear whether they'll work best as part of a base mods kit versus a separate spacebar kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 02 August 2022, 14:28:57
Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

Decisions of this sort will be made based on actual quotes.  While concave blanks are clearly not optimal for use as short bars, there are many who would want them anyway in lieu of just using Shift keys or the like.  Until I get actual quotes back, however, it is not clear whether they'll work best as part of a base mods kit versus a separate spacebar kit.

neither here nor there but it was a pretty small difference in the dark sky base kit to add them vs keep them out of the base kit. the market data i have shows that alice users don't like using legended caps for their spacebars. but up to you
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: MMJ1999 on Mon, 26 September 2022, 21:06:42
Cooool!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Shorle on Sun, 05 February 2023, 11:42:09
The long silence doesn't bode well, any news?

[...] Things of note:
  • Legends would use a Gorton / Wyse typeface, as SP has nearly all of the German language modifiers in this style. Any new legends will attempt to follow the same style.
  • Instead of two base kits, I am aiming to have one base mods kit and two alpha kit options. 
    • The base mods kit will include support for most 40s, 60s, 65s, 75s, and TKL.  It will also include Alice support, though the short bars will unfortunately have to be concave blanks.
    • Numpad will have a separate kit (as that is more affordable to separate out in SP).
    • The primary alpha kit will include support for US, UK, and Polish layouts (with the Polish sublegends optional).
    • The second alpha kit will support standard ISO NorDe layouts as well as both ANSI-DE variants (R2 1.50u #' and R1 1u #').
  • German language modifiers will be contained in a small supplemental addon kit.
  • Ergodoxian support is being reworked and may be omitted  :(
  • This version will target the same RAL color for the blue and will use a stock SP white.

I do understand the switch to DCS and since I love this color I might hop in if it does go live but I have a few notions:
One extra fun fact: Omitting German GMK for this prussian themed set and instead going for the American Signature Plastic is a little ironic.

Edit: list formatting ...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Sun, 05 February 2023, 12:45:02
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Are you aware of the definition of insanity?

What are you implying?
Maybe you're new to this hobby, but several cancelled sets have later ran successfully.
Then just wait for it to run under GMK again  :D
The long silence doesn't bode well, any news?

He's only been gone half a year, give it another 2 halves and then start panicking XD
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 06 February 2023, 05:49:43
I’m not gone. I’m just not fully sure when to attempt this GB again.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Delontino on Mon, 06 February 2023, 11:48:38
Please revive this groupbuy with GMK. This is one of the best colors I've seen and I was so excited for this set, especially as a GMK set.

I will re-buy immediately if you restore the GB soon. Really hoping you do!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: acerb on Wed, 08 February 2023, 09:27:49
Funny how it goes sometimes. Some sets have been made and there are only 1 or 2 pages in the thread. this one has been cancelled quite quickly and we already have 5 pages of discussion about it.

I'd like to have it double shot, especially if Polish is still in there... GMK is just a plus to me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 08 February 2023, 10:47:54
Funny how it goes sometimes. Some sets have been made and there are only 1 or 2 pages in the thread. this one has been cancelled quite quickly and we already have 5 pages of discussion about it.

I'd like to have it double shot, especially if Polish is still in there... GMK is just a plus to me.

fr ong. polish goodm :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: zebus on Wed, 08 February 2023, 11:01:40
It got canceled so fast I didn’t get a chance to order my 14 sets.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Mecxs on Wed, 08 February 2023, 18:24:26
It's a nice set, sure.

But it was geared towards non-US users and it was USD135 in US / Canada and USD150 everywhere else.

It ran in June 2022. For the 6 months prior, GMK shipped ~4.5 sets per month on average. The queue was literally 3+ years at that point. Over the next 6 months (July '22 ->), GMK's average jumped up to 8 sets per month, and the number of new GMK GBs per month plummeted.

I'd love to own this set, but the reality is that in the current environment and with some patience, you can pick up in-stock GMK extras for less than their GB price. If it reruns at a good price, I'll buy it; but for $150 it's a hard no.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: limk5 on Sun, 12 February 2023, 02:26:30
It's a nice set, sure.

But it was geared towards non-US users and it was USD135 in US / Canada and USD150 everywhere else.

It ran in June 2022. For the 6 months prior, GMK shipped ~4.5 sets per month on average. The queue was literally 3+ years at that point. Over the next 6 months (July '22 ->), GMK's average jumped up to 8 sets per month, and the number of new GMK GBs per month plummeted.

I'd love to own this set, but the reality is that in the current environment and with some patience, you can pick up in-stock GMK extras for less than their GB price. If it reruns at a good price, I'll buy it; but for $150 it's a hard no.

I also agree with this. Might wait till all the delayed gmk sets are produced. The time will come when people will open their wallet easily to this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: mr_foggy on Mon, 13 February 2023, 04:49:02
But it was geared towards non-US users

what? it did cover ANSI. most of the goated sets everyone wants have non-english legends, sets like perestroika, tulip, peacock, EU og doubleshots, mono hiraganas, blanks and so on, why would this particular set be any different?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: actress on Mon, 13 February 2023, 06:01:34
I believe in an epic comeback with us kit only, r5 and icon + text mods
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 13 February 2023, 09:09:32
I believe in an epic comeback with us kit only, r5 and icon + text mods

nah, it's gonna run as PBTFans with the alphas turned to muddy gray and the modifiers light black with a completely unrelated and arguably atrocious accent color.   :p

probably something like Prussi-olch
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: grobert2137 on Mon, 13 February 2023, 09:50:30
beautiful color


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 13 February 2023, 12:32:04
I believe in an epic comeback with us kit only, r5 and icon + text mods
Yeah... no.

The kitting arrangement will probably change, but I'm not going to run this as a US-only setup. At the bare minimum, I want US, Polish, and German layouts to get covered somehow; otherwise it's a loss to an essential part of the theme.

I don't like R5, and I don't need to add that as an extra expense.

Icon + Text mods aren't really a good fit for this either.  The icon-only style for Shift / Caps / Tab / Backspace / Return has become part of the standard for German keyboards commercially. I have no intent on veering away from that. Other colorways can do icon + text.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ZAND4 on Tue, 14 February 2023, 16:16:59
What a booomb.
Looking forward to seeing the GB soon
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: CyCo on Wed, 15 February 2023, 04:02:58
Beautiful color! Matches my wall color that i found after so long!
Any chance of fun novelties?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: RelativeChance on Tue, 28 March 2023, 01:04:37
If it's not gmk that would be a deal breaker for me, I would rather wait for gmk to catch up with it's queue and then run this than go with another manufacturer and it ending up costing a similar price with lousy legend quality. However mainly I just want the hibi so whatever manu you go with keep the hibi
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: WoobEC on Tue, 28 March 2023, 05:30:25
This was too good to be cancelled
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Dmitri on Tue, 28 March 2023, 09:29:29
I would buy it if it has a separate US base
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 29 March 2023, 14:15:28
I would buy it if it has a separate US base

The original kitting was two base kits: US / Polish and German.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Akele on Thu, 30 March 2023, 17:49:52
Please consider keeping the international kit if you do run this again. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: DeMechanica on Thu, 30 March 2023, 21:48:38
Still need this. I was one of the people waiting for the last week of the buy, for cash flow reasons, and I am devastated that it didn’t run. GMK only, I’m not buying PBT or another manu.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Fri, 31 March 2023, 00:10:53
yeah GMK only please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 31 March 2023, 09:54:07
Please consider keeping the international kit if you do run this again. Thanks.

The kitting is probably going to be restructured somewhat.  Which country do you need support for?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: akejojo on Sat, 01 April 2023, 21:23:01
GMK only please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Sat, 01 April 2023, 21:23:43
Please consider keeping the international kit if you do run this again. Thanks.

The kitting is probably going to be restructured somewhat.  Which country do you need support for?

Please keep UK support.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Akele on Sun, 02 April 2023, 04:29:07
Please consider keeping the international kit if you do run this again. Thanks.

The kitting is probably going to be restructured somewhat.  Which country do you need support for?

Please keep UK support.  :thumb:

Yes, please keep UK support. Hope to see this run as GMK if at all possible.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Bub on Sun, 02 April 2023, 08:30:08
Chiming in. I do think 2023 is a good time to run this set. I see people mention this set occasionally. Interest is definitely still there.

If it were my set, I'd run just the polish basekit. Maybe removing some keys to get the price in a more acceptable range.

Definitely lots of paths you could take with kiting to get this across the finish line. While I love the current kitting (I really think designers should kite for their own preferences), i think demand is low on a lot of the included keys.

Would love to see it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Sun, 02 April 2023, 09:43:17
Chiming in. I do think 2023 is a good time to run this set. I see people mention this set occasionally. Interest is definitely still there.

If it were my set, I'd run just the polish basekit. Maybe removing some keys to get the price in a more acceptable range.

Definitely lots of paths you could take with kiting to get this across the finish line. While I love the current kitting (I really think designers should kite for their own preferences), i think demand is low on a lot of the included keys.

Would love to see it!

I would even cut of the num pad keys from the base to bring the price down further, at $135 base, with tax and shipping it is actually close to $160 total, you can get alot of cool sets aftermarket for $160 and you get it next week not next year
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 03 April 2023, 10:03:42
Chiming in. I do think 2023 is a good time to run this set. I see people mention this set occasionally. Interest is definitely still there.

If it were my set, I'd run just the polish basekit. Maybe removing some keys to get the price in a more acceptable range.

Definitely lots of paths you could take with kiting to get this across the finish line. While I love the current kitting (I really think designers should kite for their own preferences), i think demand is low on a lot of the included keys.

Would love to see it!

The kitting would definitely change for a second GMK attempt, though I'm committed to finding some way to include the German, even if it has to be an addon. And there are a number of keys in the current polish base that I'm willing to sacrifice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 03 April 2023, 10:06:08

I would even cut of the num pad keys from the base to bring the price down further, at $135 base, with tax and shipping it is actually close to $160 total, you can get alot of cool sets aftermarket for $160 and you get it next week not next year

That would depend a lot on the intended MOQ. Separating numpad from base is frequently a problem with GMK, as the cost of a separate numpad kit often jumps up tremendously from what it would have represented as part of the standard base kit. It tends to be a real struggle for sets targeting lower MOQs, and it hurts sales of both base and numpad to a degree that's not always made up for by the extra sales from non-users of numpad.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Wed, 05 April 2023, 05:11:41
I was initially resilient to comment but especially after noticing GB cancelation I feel the need to address the elephant in the room: so called "Polish" sublegends.

I am actual native Polish speaker writing in Polish for over 4 decades on US keyboards - instead of actual Polish typewriter layout (derived QWERTZ that would be actually closer to Prussian / German name) just to let you know, but the reasons for Polish Programmers layout are beyond this subject although simple (US imports).

I was not much exited about Polish sublegends, simply because we get used to imagine where they are on US keyboard when we learn how to use komputer (computer), the Polish Programmers layout was designed to be intuitive (i.e. Ą = A), easy to remember and AFAIK no single keyboard with those sublegends exist on the market.
To be honest single € sublegend (on U) would be more useful as not every Pole knows that Euro sign is there.

On the other hand I can clearly see that (only) few big sticking out capital sublegends with accents might surely put off users from other nations. Personally I don't like the look myself while being Polish. It's not really like Chinese / Japanese sublegends spreaded across the whole kit with distinctly different characters to latin alphas, so you can see them as decoration / art (c'mon nobody actually use them). Adding (almost) the same latin sublegends makes no sense to me.

Don't get me wrong - I am always happy to see any Polish accents in life (especially because I am living abroad) but this is overdoing in my opinion for no practical or aesthetical value.

Thank you very much for the good intentions but plain English base would surely be more successful in GB.

PS: I would love inverted alphas but you can ignore this, it's just my distaste for GMK dark background implementation resulting with reflections (https://i.imgur.com/jjwO3TN.jpeg).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 05 April 2023, 08:31:39
I was initially resilient to comment but especially after noticing GB cancelation I feel the need to address the elephant in the room: so called "Polish" sublegends.

I am actual native Polish speaker writing in Polish for over 4 decades on US keyboards - instead of actual Polish typewriter layout (derived QWERTZ that would be actually closer to Prussian / German name) just to let you know, but the reasons for Polish Programmers layout are beyond this subject although simple (US imports).

I was not much exited about Polish sublegends, simply because we get used to imagine where they are on US keyboard when we learn how to use komputer (computer), the Polish Programmers layout was designed to be intuitive (i.e. Ą = A), easy to remember and AFAIK no single keyboard with those sublegends exist on the market.
To be honest single € sublegend (on U) would be more useful as not every Pole knows that Euro sign is there.

On the other hand I can clearly see that (only) few big sticking out capital sublegends with accents might surely put off users from other nations. Personally I don't like the look myself while being Polish. It's not really like Chinese / Japanese sublegends spreaded across the whole kit with distinctly different characters to latin alphas, so you can see them as decoration / art (c'mon nobody actually use them). Adding (almost) the same latin sublegends makes no sense to me.

Don't get me wrong - I am always happy to see any Polish accents in life (especially because I am living abroad) but this is overdoing in my opinion for no practical or aesthetical value.

Thank you very much for the good intentions but plain English base would surely be more successful in GB.

PS: I would love inverted alphas but you can ignore this, it's just my distaste for GMK dark background implementation resulting with reflections (https://i.imgur.com/jjwO3TN.jpeg).

Thanks for the feedback. I do understand that the Polish Programmers' layout legends are a bit redundant, and I'll look into adding the U with the Euro sign back into the mix. I have gotten a number of positive responses to the legends from other Polish users, and I'm inclined to keep them all.

What I have been weighing, and what is not decided yet, is whether to include the sublegend-free US capitals in the base kit as well, since it does seem that the sublegends are a turnoff for some buyers. It's a tricky situation to say the least.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: irithyll on Wed, 05 April 2023, 09:32:26
Thanks for the feedback. I do understand that the Polish Programmers' layout legends are a bit redundant, and I'll look into adding the U with the Euro sign back into the mix. I have gotten a number of positive responses to the legends from other Polish users, and I'm inclined to keep them all.

What I have been weighing, and what is not decided yet, is whether to include the sublegend-free US capitals in the base kit as well, since it does seem that the sublegends are a turnoff for some buyers. It's a tricky situation to say the least.

I would buy the set either way, but I do like the idea of including keys with sublegend-free US capitals in the base kit as well.
Not sure how much that would impact the pricing but that would definitely be a good option for those who prefer not to have any sublegends at all.
Hopefully, the set returns soon for a second shot! I love the colors.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: fortsch on Thu, 06 April 2023, 03:16:59
Have a separate kit for NOR/DE/UK. As a Swede i'd love to have "Å" "Ä" and "Ö". I'd definitly join the GB if you get it to that point.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 06 April 2023, 09:52:54
Have a separate kit for NOR/DE/UK. As a Swede i'd love to have "Å" "Ä" and "Ö". I'd definitly join the GB if you get it to that point.

I'm definitely trying to accommodate German and Swedish in some fashion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Sat, 08 April 2023, 05:21:56
What I have been weighing, and what is not decided yet, is whether to include the sublegend-free US capitals in the base kit as well, since it does seem that the sublegends are a turnoff for some buyers. It's a tricky situation to say the least.
Great idea, but opposite - I would present the Polish keys aside of main alpha block render to visualise clean base kit for those who would not pay attention to details.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: diorite on Sat, 08 April 2023, 22:36:10

Thanks for the feedback. I do understand that the Polish Programmers' layout legends are a bit redundant, and I'll look into adding the U with the Euro sign back into the mix. I have gotten a number of positive responses to the legends from other Polish users, and I'm inclined to keep them all.

What I have been weighing, and what is not decided yet, is whether to include the sublegend-free US capitals in the base kit as well, since it does seem that the sublegends are a turnoff for some buyers. It's a tricky situation to say the least.

Beautiful colorway, but to throw in my two cents. I really think for me personally, and likely a large portion of users, the plain latin alphas are a must. Having a sprinkle of sublegends on a handful of keys isn't a very appealing aesthetic and kinda ruins the otherwise clean look of the set, in my opinion. It seems incredibly counter intuitive to have the base kit be a sprinkle of Polish sublegends and include the plain latin alphas in the international kit when you could just do the opposite and have a clean latin base kit with a few polish subs in the international kit. It also feels weird that iso keys are included in the US/Polish when there's a whole German base. I really think you should reconsider the idea of separating the numpad into it's own kit and leaving iso in the german base only, in the interest of leaning down the "US base." When I see numpad split off it's usually bought less than novelties and even spacebars and icon kits. Keeping cost down and letting people buy just what they need/want and not paying extra for a ton of keys they won't use is always nice.

At any rate, I think it's clear the the kitting needs some work, but aside from that it's a really stunning colorway and I'd hate to see it wither away. It seems like there's a lot of renewed interest in this set and I think you should strongly consider striking while the iron is hot. I'm definitely in for a latin base. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Akele on Sun, 09 April 2023, 04:21:52

Beautiful colorway, but to throw in my two cents. I really think for me personally, and likely a large portion of users, the plain latin alphas are a must. Having a sprinkle of sublegends on a handful of keys isn't a very appealing aesthetic and kinda ruins the otherwise clean look of the set, in my opinion. It seems incredibly counter intuitive to have the base kit be a sprinkle of Polish sublegends and include the plain latin alphas in the international kit when you could just do the opposite and have a clean latin base kit with a few polish subs in the international kit.

I very much agree with this point from diorite. If I were to buy this kit, it would be to use the clean Latin alphas. Based on the current kitting, this would require me to purchase of the base kit and the international kit.

As a UK ISO user, I'm used to having to buy a base kit and international kit to get all the keys I need, but I can understand how the current kitting of Prussian Blue will be unappealing to ANSI users, who normally just need to purchase the base kit to get all the keys they need.

If you do decide to remove the ISO keys from the US base kit, please be sure to put them into the international kit. Specifically the R4 |\ key, which would normally come in a NorDeUK daughter kit, but is currently included within the US base kit. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 09 April 2023, 14:14:32
While we’re kitting I’ll throw my basic b two cents: I’d buy us/polish base as is. Or without UK keys. Might? buy a Latin only add on but it would probably be to support moq not like I need it. Will buy split bars. Will grumble if numpad split out but buy anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 11 April 2023, 12:35:51
I am currently trying to work out kitting with my vendors.

I want to ensure, in some fashion:

Things I'd also like to support, but aren't as integral to the design:

The hard part is portioning out the pieces of these two lists in such a way that the finished product is something with a reasonable price and that won't create dead stock for vendors. It is not a trivial problem to solve. In terms of sacrifices, I'm already leaning toward getting rid of Norwegian & Danish support.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: XiXora on Tue, 11 April 2023, 15:55:49
I'm worried that I'll lose the 1.5u System keys I was excited for with this. The original kitting of either base kit was quite nice… localisation aside.
Will wait and see.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 11 April 2023, 20:57:40
I'm worried that I'll lose the 1.5u System keys I was excited for with this. The original kitting of either base kit was quite nice… localisation aside.
Will wait and see.

That’s a possibility, I’m afraid. It’s not set in stone, but those keys currently don’t provide additional physical support or specific language support, so I’m less married to keeping them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Radon86 on Wed, 12 April 2023, 02:59:15
Would you consider adding an R2 1u Esc key into US/Polish base? It would be really useful in virtually all 40s layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 12 April 2023, 09:15:59
Would you consider adding an R2 1u Esc key into US/Polish base? It would be really useful in virtually all 40s layouts.

Since there aren't any accents, the value of adding R2 Escape is a bit diminished. I'm afraid you'll likely just need to use the End key or similar (assuming we go for something like in-base 3-key 40s).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: This_Is_BearDog on Mon, 24 July 2023, 11:02:09
Just commenting to say that I am still hyped for this set and hope for a GMK rerun someday
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: svenge on Fri, 28 July 2023, 09:36:57
I second that.  Will be watching for this one going into future years of GMK GB's.  Need those Polish sublegends. 
Dziękuję.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: AMZ on Sat, 02 September 2023, 02:00:20
 I am still hyped for this set and hope for a GMK
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ELE.WORKS on Sat, 02 September 2023, 11:14:52
very sad,so beautiful keycaps
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: CandyKeys on Tue, 05 September 2023, 08:26:00
I'd still buy it into stock... Given we can get all eggs in one basket.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 05 September 2023, 12:37:43
Current draft of kitting attached.

Still trying to think through some of the specifics, but my original hope for two base kits is probably dead.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 05 September 2023, 15:27:58
no polish base? that was the only selling point to me. meh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 September 2023, 15:32:44
definitely keep the polish in base
people have been paying for latin on all the japanese inspired sets for years, no need to not keep this trend going especially when it's unique
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rhienfo on Tue, 05 September 2023, 18:09:48
Agree with keeping polish in the base kit and having a latin option, agree that it's what makes this set special, keep it as a secondary kit, If I do buy the set I would personally prefer that even though it would be more money spent for me.

In terms of kitting just would like to see 1.5 system keys that you can replace bottom row control keys

Also If you are still considering a change in manu then keykobo could be an option as well, GLWIC hope everything goes well
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Tue, 05 September 2023, 18:50:14
Selfishly: I like the Polish add-on kit because it also includes UK support at a price that will be lower than the unattractive £70-ish of NorDeUK kits. I also figure that has a better chance of that kit succeeding as both Polish and UK audiences are combined.

Selflessly: I think that the Polish keys are a part of this set's identity and they probably should be in base, even though I'm aware that means UK support will be relegated to a NorDeUK kit that deep down I know probably won't make it to MOQ.

I can't really decide which way to feel so I thought I'd offer both perspectives.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rhienfo on Tue, 05 September 2023, 19:11:48
Selfishly: I like the Polish add-on kit because it also includes UK support at a price that will be lower than the unattractive £70-ish of NorDeUK kits. I also figure that has a better chance of that kit succeeding as both Polish and UK audiences are combined.

Selflessly: I think that the Polish keys are a part of this set's identity and they probably should be in base, even though I'm aware that means UK support will be relegated to a NorDeUK kit that deep down I know probably won't make it to MOQ.

I can't really decide which way to feel so I thought I'd offer both perspectives.

I am in a similar boat, to me a latin base kit would be preferable to me but I still think that the set should run with polish in the base kit. Agree that it's part of the sets identity and that not everything should be made for me so I think it should stay as I said before.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 06 September 2023, 00:45:05
Would keep Polish. Those who want Latin only would still pay for the polish subs
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: AMZ on Wed, 06 September 2023, 00:54:20
keep the Polish on the base kit!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: fwoggit on Wed, 06 September 2023, 02:41:10
polish in base please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: norinori on Wed, 06 September 2023, 02:46:58
Keep Polish/US Base from the original run, please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NingWang on Wed, 06 September 2023, 03:45:15
Ganz geil ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 06 September 2023, 07:27:00
I would absolutely love to keep the Polish in the base kit. Unfortunately, this is a scenario where we know from the vendors that forcing Polish in base was an obstacle for customers during the last run, as people who wanted a full standard US layout weren’t always willing to pay for the addon kit.

It is really frustrating, but we’re also in a period where people are sour on GBs, and vendors are loaded with GMK inventory. Right now the most commercially viable path forward seems to be a base kit of this type, with as much mainstream compatibility as possible but not frills.

I’ll consider merging the Polish kit back to base, but it isn’t looking likely.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: This_Is_BearDog on Wed, 06 September 2023, 09:30:09
RUSH RUSH

I am receiving word that I must request polish in base kit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 06 September 2023, 17:13:37
I would absolutely love to keep the Polish in the base kit. Unfortunately, this is a scenario where we know from the vendors that forcing Polish in base was an obstacle for customers during the last run, as people who wanted a full standard US layout weren’t always willing to pay for the addon kit.

It is really frustrating, but we’re also in a period where people are sour on GBs, and vendors are loaded with GMK inventory. Right now the most commercially viable path forward seems to be a base kit of this type, with as much mainstream compatibility as possible but not frills.

I’ll consider merging the Polish kit back to base, but it isn’t looking likely.

This kinda works out for UK gang. We so rarely score dubs in this hobby.

Trust you to make the best decision!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 08 September 2023, 01:46:37
Would say that no polish would kill it for me and I’m a traditional ANSI Latin user. I feel the majority who were interested would agree on this sentiment.

A Latin child kit isn’t even necessary just extra costs in a child kit. My own opinions
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: codog on Fri, 08 September 2023, 04:45:26
I joined day 1, imma join again when you rerun this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 08 September 2023, 15:57:14
Would say that no polish would kill it for me and I’m a traditional ANSI Latin user. I feel the majority who were interested would agree on this sentiment.

A Latin child kit isn’t even necessary just extra costs in a child kit. My own opinions

What if the cost of purchasing the base kit and the Polish addon together was roughly the same price as what the Polish base kit from the original run cost? I have zero idea about pricing at this point, but that has been one of my goals with this kitting.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: svenge on Fri, 08 September 2023, 17:30:49
+1 for Polish back in the base.  I think it should be integral to the identity of the kit. 

As others have mentioned you could save cost by splitting out the UK support.  I'm no kitting expert but as a customer I am gonna be ok to sacrifice some other keys/options to have the polish identity included by default.  I'd be sad to see the Latin base become the core identity of a kit like this.  It's not like it's GMK symbiote where you're selling a completely foreign set of alphas as an addon.  I'd think of it like all the kits that come with Japanese or Hangul sublegends by default.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Fri, 08 September 2023, 17:43:51
Would say that no polish would kill it for me and I’m a traditional ANSI Latin user. I feel the majority who were interested would agree on this sentiment.

A Latin child kit isn’t even necessary just extra costs in a child kit. My own opinions

What if the cost of purchasing the base kit and the Polish addon together was roughly the same price as what the Polish base kit from the original run cost? I have zero idea about pricing at this point, but that has been one of my goals with this kitting.

I'm gonna change my previously undecided support from before and say that I think you're right in how you're thinking of doing it. Mainstream appeal is much more than just what GH thinks and they're gonna want an overall "normie"-focused base kit for which they can use as much of as possible. The people who want Polish support in this can swallow their pride and buy the add-on kit (let them know how it feels to buy a NorDeUK kit for once, heh).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Mon, 11 September 2023, 06:51:45
I'm gonna change my previously undecided support from before and say that I think you're right in how you're thinking of doing it. Mainstream appeal is much more than just what GH thinks and they're gonna want an overall "normie"-focused base kit for which they can use as much of as possible. The people who want Polish support in this can swallow their pride and buy the add-on kit (let them know how it feels to buy a NorDeUK kit for once, heh).
They should already swallow the reality pill when GB failed but I see they keep calling for base kit focused on the whim from tiny minority (as I wrote before not every Pole wants / needs or even likes this kind of sublegends).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Mon, 11 September 2023, 16:44:12
switch the manu to KKB this would do well, the newer GMK set are really disappointing with poor alpha legend alignments

look at the F and J on the new GMK indigo 

(https://i.imgur.com/85lGnIX.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 11 September 2023, 18:12:55
Looking back on this set, as much as I would prefer polish in base as it keeps the identity, it's better for the set not to have it in the base kit and hit MOQ than the opposite.

Geekhack is a minority after all, and I think the majority of the people who would buy this set would see it as a cool blue set rather than something polish if it didn't have the Prussian in the name.

GMK MOQ is very hard to hit, especially nowadays where there aren't as many people in the hobby and people are far more careful with their money because of all the drama, so I think we might have to compromise.

I still think that it should only be done if it costs around the same to buy a polish and base kit than the original polish kit as well.

+1 on kkb now, brings the price down cause they don't charge as much as gmk and currently quality control is worse for gmk than it is for kkb. Plus I think they have lower MOQs but not completely sure. Another thing is that gmk has especially gotten quite bad with pricing for extra kits and keykobo isn't as bad which means that potential base kit + polish extension solution would work better with kkb.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 12 September 2023, 01:01:05
Looking back on this set, as much as I would prefer polish in base as it keeps the identity, it's better for the set not to have it in the base kit and hit MOQ than the opposite.

Geekhack is a minority after all, and I think the majority of the people who would buy this set would see it as a cool blue set rather than something polish if it didn't have the Prussian in the name.

GMK MOQ is very hard to hit, especially nowadays where there aren't as many people in the hobby and people are far more careful with their money because of all the drama, so I think we might have to compromise.

I still think that it should only be done if it costs around the same to buy a polish and base kit than the original polish kit as well.

+1 on kkb now, brings the price down cause they don't charge as much as gmk and currently quality control is worse for gmk than it is for kkb. Plus I think they have lower MOQs but not completely sure. Another thing is that gmk has especially gotten quite bad with pricing for extra kits and keykobo isn't as bad which means that potential base kit + polish extension solution would work better with kkb.

I recently got a kit sent by KKB to check quality. It’s definitely up to par with GMK, it’s a viable alternative.  I’m running Tidal in KKB after all
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 12 September 2023, 09:28:04
One element of this set that I'm very attached to is having the German language modifier keys available in some capacity.  While I'm sure Keykobo has done some great sets, I don't believe they've created all of those legends before.  It would be a significant undertaking with far more room for error.

I'd much rather stick with a company that has produced full German keyboards commercially before, like GMK or SP.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 12 September 2023, 09:29:42
switch the manu to KKB this would do well, the newer GMK set are really disappointing with poor alpha legend alignments

look at the F and J on the new GMK indigo 

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/85lGnIX.jpg)


It might be better to do a comparison using bump homing keys instead of scoops.  Scooped homing keys nearly always alter legend alignment in some fashion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Tue, 12 September 2023, 10:04:12
It might be better to do a comparison using bump homing keys instead of scoops.  Scooped homing keys nearly always alter legend alignment in some fashion.

none of my older GMK sets have issues with alignment, scooped F and J are perfectly inline, the newer GMK mold is defective, same F and J issues can be found on recent GMK sets like Klassiker and Art etc

(https://i.imgur.com/tWwSrBf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fYWPmi5.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Tue, 12 September 2023, 11:38:58
It kind of sucks that nowadays nearly every GMK set IC devolves into people inventing criticisms in their head justified with vauge/misleading pictures, especially when that ends up distracting from the keycap set itself.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 12 September 2023, 12:30:40
So… you’re insistent on doing base with Latin but want to run with GMK for its German compat but wont keep it Polish in base?

Do you have the template of keys available from KKB? I can send you a copy, I’m not an expert in these ISO compats so maybe you can tell if they’re all in there

If the keys do not exist, KKB will simply create a mold for it granted you provide them the legend for it or file.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 12 September 2023, 22:46:29
I appreciate the feedback, but I’d really prefer to run this with GMK. I’ve considered SP as a backup previously, but GMK is the better match.

The heart of this set was the old kitting: both the German and Polish base kits. If you go back and look closely, the German base isn’t just alpha compatibility but having the legends that GMK and Cherry would use for commercial boards sold specifically to German customers, with keys using “Strg” instead of “Ctrl” and similar.

I wanted that plan to succeed. Two base kits, both important and reflective of the Prussian territory and identity.

But that plan did not succeed.

I’m going to ask my vendors if we can work out some sort of bundle pricing to encourage people to pick up either of the two language addons.

The base kit will be a complete product functionally, but the complete products artistically will be pairing the base with either the German or Polish addons.

It’s a frustrating change, to be clear. But I already tried the two base kit method once, and it was not a good result. Trying to run nearly the same thing again would be unwise.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Thu, 14 September 2023, 06:16:25
...I would prefer polish in base as it keeps the identity,...
I'm not sure how do you see "Polish identity" in "Prussian".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: amorino on Sat, 16 September 2023, 16:09:41
...I would prefer polish in base as it keeps the identity,...
I'm not sure how do you see "Polish identity" in "Prussian".

Majority of Poland and Germany are what left of Prussian Empire, that's why german and polish layouts. As I understand.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 16 September 2023, 21:06:17
I'm not sure how do you see "Polish identity" in "Prussian".

Yeah it was mainly about the different unique legends that aren't really done in base kits than the name itself, but I understand how someone could come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Sun, 17 September 2023, 16:13:02
Majority of Poland and Germany are what left of Prussian Empire, that's why german and polish layouts. As I understand.
You have no idea how wrong you are to suggest that "majority of Poland" was leftover part of Prussia.
Please learn some history properly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Sepharis on Sun, 17 September 2023, 16:55:29
Majority of Poland and Germany are what left of Prussian Empire, that's why german and polish layouts. As I understand.
You have no idea how wrong you are to suggest that "majority of Poland" was ever part of Prussia.
Please learn some history properly.

Actually if you take the 1795 borders of Prussia that existed just prior to the French revolutionary wars and contrast them with the modern polish borders, that's a defensible statement.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LASERman Projects on Mon, 18 September 2023, 02:50:40
Actually if you take the 1795 borders of Prussia that existed just prior to the French revolutionary wars and contrast them with the modern polish borders, that's a defensible statement.
The context is about the "identity" and therefore your argument about current borders of Poland covering part of former Prussian territory is totally irrelevant because it has nothing to du with Poland as nation to be any "leftover part" of it.
This is absurd in the same way as false statement to say USSR was part of former Poland just because it occupied huge part of former Poland territory. Soviets simply made a land grab from eastern Poland and gave back less on the west from Germany after II WW.

My country was misplaced on the map by foreign aggressors (and also removed from it completely 3 times over) and therefore you should understand why I'm strongly opposing the notion that Poland identity comes from Prussia.

To be strict the "Prussian Blue" has nothing to do with Poland AFAIK and inclusion of polish letters in Prussian theme could even be seen as inappropriate.

BTW: do any of you know that actual indigenous Prusians were exterminated by Germans from Teutonic Order and they just kept the name for themselves afterwards?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 18 September 2023, 07:33:51
Folks, please de-escalate.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 19 September 2023, 21:34:03
why can't the anime keyset threads get this lit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 24 September 2023, 12:12:56
why can't the anime keyset threads get this lit

anime keysets aren't this lit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Thumb Key on Tue, 26 September 2023, 04:47:56
This color is so mesmerizing~
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: AMZ on Fri, 29 September 2023, 02:49:30
Can't wait for the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: iwobobul on Fri, 29 September 2023, 03:27:02
It might be better to do a comparison using bump homing keys instead of scoops.  Scooped homing keys nearly always alter legend alignment in some fashion.

none of my older GMK sets have issues with alignment, scooped F and J are perfectly inline, the newer GMK mold is defective, same F and J issues can be found on recent GMK sets like Klassiker and Art etc

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/tWwSrBf.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fYWPmi5.jpg)


Hey is it too much if I ask for a picture of Art next to Klassiker udner same lighting? Want to compare the two, not sure which one to get.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: XiXora on Mon, 02 October 2023, 20:07:59
In terms of kitting just would like to see 1.5 system keys that you can replace bottom row control keys

I've seen some recent NovelKeys kits (eg vapourware r2, kaiju r2) with these added. It would be nice to see 1.5u supers here too.

UK + Polish kit is nice to see.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Stanced on Fri, 08 December 2023, 23:11:43
40's support would be nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 18 December 2023, 08:43:26
40's support would be nice

Whatever form the kitting takes, the base kit will contain at least the standard 3-key 40s compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: idealape on Mon, 18 December 2023, 16:21:51
Is the color compatible of the blue that is used in GMK birch... If so, this is gonna slap

Sent from my J9210 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 19 December 2023, 15:47:22
Is the color compatible of the blue that is used in GMK birch... If so, this is gonna slap

Sent from my J9210 using Tapatalk

It is not the same exact blue.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Thu, 21 December 2023, 21:17:32
if the price and MOQ was an issue, maybe switching to KKB? Just got my Miami Dawn and the quality is on par with GMK
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Nevrest on Tue, 26 December 2023, 15:47:40
if the price and MOQ was an issue, maybe switching to KKB? Just got my Miami Dawn and the quality is on par with GMK
DCX is another great alternative imo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Tue, 26 December 2023, 20:56:47

DCX is another great alternative imo

no no and no
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: badsport on Tue, 26 December 2023, 23:26:54
My vote is still for GMK. Please do not even consider DCX.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Wed, 27 December 2023, 13:07:06
My vote is still for GMK. Please do not even consider DCX.

GMK is hit and miss now, they have a defective S mold floating around, i do not want to play lottery with my sets. Poor DMG3 got ruined
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Dmitri on Sun, 31 December 2023, 14:02:48
Domikey, Keykobo, GMK, PBTfans, one of those
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Dmitri on Sun, 31 December 2023, 14:04:51
My vote is still for GMK. Please do not even consider DCX.

GMK is hit and miss now, they have a defective S mold floating around, i do not want to play lottery with my sets. Poor DMG3 got ruined

If they would have a defective S mold they would fix it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: involuntarysoul on Sun, 31 December 2023, 17:13:29
If they would have a defective S mold they would fix it

Have not heard anything regarding S key replacement for DMG3 and Klassiker so very unlikely
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 03 January 2024, 12:22:22
I'm going to stick with a manufacturer that has all of the German-language modifier keys already made (not just the alphas). I've also considered SP, since they already have those legends and have produced keyboards with them, but I'm still aiming for GMK at this stage.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Dmitri on Wed, 28 February 2024, 14:15:07
maybe a kit for the US alpha
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 28 February 2024, 18:43:50
pls run
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 28 February 2024, 21:58:00
maybe a kit for the US alpha

Would the International kit meet your needs?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 02 March 2024, 15:46:42
Still ready to buy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: AMZ on Mon, 04 March 2024, 06:18:11
run it! Please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 05 March 2024, 11:22:49
Making some progress toward this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 06 March 2024, 19:22:59
Making some progress toward this.

Prussian Alert seems to be cooking up at a very fast rate. Do you expect this to run after that? I'd rather have this over that, to be clear, but I wonder... Can you elaborate at all on what your plans are so that doesn't steal your sales?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: tuesdaygloom on Sun, 10 March 2024, 17:45:02
Making some progress toward this.

Prussian Alert seems to be cooking up at a very fast rate. Do you expect this to run after that? I'd rather have this over that, to be clear, but I wonder... Can you elaborate at all on what your plans are so that doesn't steal your sales?

Agreed, would much rather have this than prussian alert.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Boggle on Mon, 11 March 2024, 02:24:54
but I'm still aiming for GMK at this stage.

If sticking with GMK maybe considering MTNU Profile?!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Nevrest on Mon, 11 March 2024, 06:58:00
but I'm still aiming for GMK at this stage.

If sticking with GMK maybe considering MTNU Profile?!

I think if the set struggled to run with the regular GMK CYL it probably isn't the best idea to try MTNU.
While a cool keycap profile, it is by far less popular than the regular CYL.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: mr_foggy on Mon, 11 March 2024, 20:15:02
but I'm still aiming for GMK at this stage.

If sticking with GMK maybe considering MTNU Profile?!

please no
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 15 March 2024, 13:59:16
Making some progress toward this.

Prussian Alert seems to be cooking up at a very fast rate. Do you expect this to run after that? I'd rather have this over that, to be clear, but I wonder... Can you elaborate at all on what your plans are so that doesn't steal your sales?

I don't really have any control over that. The timing for when this runs is dependent on a lot of factors that are still in flight.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Dmitri on Sat, 16 March 2024, 09:50:57
Too expensive
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: aicyborg on Sat, 16 March 2024, 19:52:35
Too expensive

Pricing literally hasn't been announced.

Also, why are you commenting this on every current GMK IC?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 17 March 2024, 23:29:44
Too expensive

Pricing literally hasn't been announced.

Also, why are you commenting this on every current GMK IC?

Getting muted on geekhack is crazy X_X
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: tactilesbad on Wed, 20 March 2024, 04:07:29
(https://i.imgur.com/ySuHdFT.png)

will cherish this screenshot
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: BJW on Thu, 21 March 2024, 19:48:12
Really looking forward to this set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: headshot on Fri, 22 March 2024, 19:59:47
can this come back please?